@@drretard0343 Yeah this form of slavery in this era isn't the same kind of evil system most people are thinking of. In comparison there's quite a few advantages to being a slave in the old empires. This same channel of Epimetheus has a video about the Janissaries of the Ottoman Empire even detailing how a slave especially a slave soldier wouldn't be such a terrible thing.
I don't understand why you would apologize when pausing the video often. No one is here to watch the original video, we're interested in what you have to add.
@@MrTerry I've seen people make reaction videos and it does get kind of boring when they pause literally every single second. What you sir do is nothing compared to that, you let the man in the video finish his sentence and complete his thoughts before giving us your view on the matter or make your point about it. That's why i think there's no need to apologise, just don't become one of those that have to pause and than replay hundred times in a single video. Love the channel, great work keep it going 😄😄
Thank you Mr. Terry for helping your subscribers keep our sanity during the pandemic. I have watched your entire catalog and have not found a poor video. I can only imagine your passion as a teacher!
Mr. Terry is renovating his home so he can sell it which is why the audio is so bad. There is nothing in the room to bounce sounds off of currently. The microphone set up itself is not the problem.
I had a college professor who had a really unhealthy, in my opinion, love for the idea of Spartan society; he literally denied that they had slaves. I remember bringing up the same point about the slave society/military readiness connection and he flat out said, "The Spartans didn't have slaves." I couldn't even muster a response because I was so confused and surprised a professor would believe that. I have a hard time in general understanding people who downplay or pick and choose aspects of historical societies so they fit whatever narrative that person wants to believe instead of taking a historical society for what it is, as we understand them given what evidence and historical context is available.
When you look at it, peleponesian war was the first version of the modern day Cold war Once after the great war that 2 powers fight for go hate on eachother. Allies (NATO and Warsaw pact) and 2 great Super powers (USA and USSR)
I felt the original video glossed over so much, as one obviously can't tell the story of a decades-long, very complex war in six minutes. I'm glad you paused a lot to expand on much of it.
Since you mentioned Thermopylae I want to mention some more about it. I think the bravest Greeks were the 700 Thespians who stayed behind with the Spartans at Thermopylae. They weren't soldiers like Sparta. Just citizens defending the homeland. They had a chance to leave and they didn't. While we don't know much about those 700 men, Herodotus did write about two Thespians one by the name of Demophilos the son of Diadromes who was the commander of the Thespian force and another Dithyrambos “who earned the highest distinction”. We don't know anymore of him but I like to think he struck down foe after foe impressing the Spartans before finally falling to his enemy. They are often forgotten about when mentioning this battle. Those brave men deserve just as much recognition as the 300 Spartans.
Wasn't it 7000 Thespians? I think the number was 7000 but there's stories about how Leonidas knew they were all going to die so a number of those Thespians left so they could fight another day.
@@dejanf8168 7000 is WAY too high. Most estimates say between 600 to 1000 stayed behind with the Spartans. It is HIGHLY doubtful that over 9000 "Greek" even fought.
@@dejanf8168 7000 is often the estimated amount of soldiers of all the city states combined in the battle. The Thespians only sent I believe the 700 I mentioned. No where I have read says they brought any more than that. Thespiae wasn't a super large city like Athens was so they didn't have as much manpower to send to fight.
WARNING!!! 19:30 That is NOT correct! Alkibiades had been accused of a conspiracy against the Athenian democracy by political adversaries right before the start of the sicilian campaign. Although he went on the mission, he was ordered to come back to face charges connected to that accusation pretty soon after, so he never actually saw much of the expedition in Sicily. for the vast majority of time Nikias and Lamachos led that expedition. And Alkibiades fled to Sparta while being brought back to Athens because he expected to be charged with irrefutable allegations anyway, so he was already on the Peloponnesians side when the Athenians were still fighting on Sicily (Some historians say that the sole ABSENCE of Alkibiades caused the Athenian expedition to fail). He later betrayed Sparta, too, by joining the Persian king, and even later returned to Athens, which was willing to amnesty him because they were in deep sh*t by that time and hoped that his military expertise could save them. SOURCES: The Peloponnesian War by Thukydides (Book 6/7: The Expedition, Book 8: The aftermath) and The Peloponnesian War ("Hellenika") by Xenophon (The downfall of Athens and the end of the war).
Hello Mr. Terry, I hope you get to see this comment. I think you should react to History Memes from memenade. There is a lot of context and backgroud that you could clarify/explain. PD: Love your channel and content
I think even if the Greek world was stabilized, Macedon would have still dominated. The military technology was simply better for Macedon and they used elite cavalry which the Greeks didn't really use in mass. Furthermore, Phillip was a military genius and he would have also had Alexander at his side. No army in the Greek world at the time had tactical geniuses that could match them.
I somewhat agree with this point but i don't think the companion or thraceian cavalry would be that effective the reason being the rough terrain of greece Thats why greek city states never properly utilized cavalry. You can make a case for the pike phalanx though Furthermore I don't know anything about the capabilities of Phillip ii in a military sense he was a political genius for sure Lastly i don't think Alexander the great was a military genius he just got lucky most of the time and the times where he wasn't lucky he had advantage in numbers. Most of Alexander success can be attributed to the military reforms of Phillip ii
Having just finished Assassin's Creed Odyssey, which takes place during the Peloponnesian War, it was nice to watch this and take out the facts from the fiction.
You said that there were no greek empire yet there were tons of them : Macedonian empire,Seleucid empire,Ptolemaic empire,Later macedonian empire,Pergamon empire,pontic empire(half greek half persian) and I would also add Eastern roman empire. Many westerners were referring to it as either Imperium romanum or imperium Graecorum
Did you guys hear? Erdogan is planning on making the Haiga Sophia into a Mosque again. What are you guy's thoughts? I for one, hope they don't touch any of the other religious property in and around cathedral/mosque and keep preferably keep it as a museum instead as an active mosque again. This will only lead to holy tensions towards the west, especially to the Greek Orthodox population.
I thought it has been a mosque ever since the Ottomans took over. It's definitely a historical monument more than a religious building now, if they want to use it for religious purposes i guess it's okay as long as other historic artifacts aren't endangered.
Good video, but you made (a very common) mistake at the part about the "plague". This word was used for every pandemic (as we would call it today) before modern medicine could identify different types of virus and bacteria. The "plague" in Athen was, according to Thukydides' description of the disease, not the plague in our modern understanding (Yersinia pestis), but something else. It's not 100% clear wich disease it actually was, but a good guess would be Ebola, especially as Thukydides points out that the disease started in Ethopia. Definetly not the same disease as the 14th century plague.
@@MrTerry Then you wouldn't be a slave but a conscript/Indentured Servant. I guess they ain't too different though. If we're talking about a slave soldier that's a maybe in that case. If it's a regular worker nope probably not.
Quick note, the ratio of 10:1 was inaccurate for this time period, as it represents the ratio following the Battle of Leuctra. In reality it was about 6:1 at its peak during this period. There was also a large population of "free men" who did most of the commerical acts within Sparta. These people had around a 4:1 ratio compared to the Spartans. Thus, a little over 50% of Sparta was actually enslaved, with only 8-10% being full citizens or elites. Not a bad ratio for the time. Athens had only a few thousands full citizens themselves, as much of Athenian society was broken down by how much debt you were in.
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Generally people dont like to be slaves - Terry History 2020
Believe or not in some cultures being a slave wasn't that bad or at least not as shitty as being poor.
@@flamesofchaos13 if you were in Athens being a slave wasn't really that bad. They didn't have rights but they counted as being a part of the family
@@drretard0343 Yeah this form of slavery in this era isn't the same kind of evil system most people are thinking of. In comparison there's quite a few advantages to being a slave in the old empires. This same channel of Epimetheus has a video about the Janissaries of the Ottoman Empire even detailing how a slave especially a slave soldier wouldn't be such a terrible thing.
@@flamesofchaos13 Sparta's slaves were treated like shit.
Profound, I know.
I don't understand why you would apologize when pausing the video often. No one is here to watch the original video, we're interested in what you have to add.
yea thats precisely why im here too
You'd be surprised how often I hear that I pause too much.
@@MrTerry Well they are wrong
@@MrTerry I've seen people make reaction videos and it does get kind of boring when they pause literally every single second. What you sir do is nothing compared to that, you let the man in the video finish his sentence and complete his thoughts before giving us your view on the matter or make your point about it. That's why i think there's no need to apologise, just don't become one of those that have to pause and than replay hundred times in a single video. Love the channel, great work keep it going 😄😄
Thank you Mr. Terry for helping your subscribers keep our sanity during the pandemic. I have watched your entire catalog and have not found a poor video. I can only imagine your passion as a teacher!
Every time he says "this will be on the test" my palms get sweaty. And I'm 40.
THIS WILL BE ON THE TEST
@@MrTerry here come the nightmares again...
I guess I will play a little bit of AC Odyssey tonight...😂
Knees get weak, arms get heavy...
Mr. Terry is renovating his home so he can sell it which is why the audio is so bad. There is nothing in the room to bounce sounds off of currently. The microphone set up itself is not the problem.
Yep. Same microphone I've always used. Lots of echo since the room is empty though.
You're very perceptive you know that?
I had a college professor who had a really unhealthy, in my opinion, love for the idea of Spartan society; he literally denied that they had slaves. I remember bringing up the same point about the slave society/military readiness connection and he flat out said, "The Spartans didn't have slaves." I couldn't even muster a response because I was so confused and surprised a professor would believe that. I have a hard time in general understanding people who downplay or pick and choose aspects of historical societies so they fit whatever narrative that person wants to believe instead of taking a historical society for what it is, as we understand them given what evidence and historical context is available.
As a descendant of helotes I can confirm Spartans had slaves
Yes! Epimetheus time boys!
When you look at it, peleponesian war was the first version of the modern day Cold war
Once after the great war that 2 powers fight for go hate on eachother.
Allies (NATO and Warsaw pact) and 2 great Super powers (USA and USSR)
Epimetheus is such a great channel you should do more of it!
I felt the original video glossed over so much, as one obviously can't tell the story of a decades-long, very complex war in six minutes. I'm glad you paused a lot to expand on much of it.
Video he's reacting to: 6m21s.
This video: 26m24s.
SWEET HISTORY, I'm in!
Epimetheus is an amazing channel when it comes to bronze age information, he really goes above and beyond.
You should check out the extra credits series on Justinian and Theodora, it's probably my favorite one they've made
Mr Terry: "I like doing this"
Yes it shows. Thanks for the amazing content!
Since you mentioned Thermopylae I want to mention some more about it. I think the bravest Greeks were the 700 Thespians who stayed behind with the Spartans at Thermopylae. They weren't soldiers like Sparta. Just citizens defending the homeland. They had a chance to leave and they didn't. While we don't know much about those 700 men, Herodotus did write about two Thespians one by the name of Demophilos the son of Diadromes who was the commander of the Thespian force and another Dithyrambos “who earned the highest distinction”. We don't know anymore of him but I like to think he struck down foe after foe impressing the Spartans before finally falling to his enemy. They are often forgotten about when mentioning this battle. Those brave men deserve just as much recognition as the 300 Spartans.
Wasn't it 7000 Thespians? I think the number was 7000 but there's stories about how Leonidas knew they were all going to die so a number of those Thespians left so they could fight another day.
@@dejanf8168 7000 is WAY too high. Most estimates say between 600 to 1000 stayed behind with the Spartans. It is HIGHLY doubtful that over 9000 "Greek" even fought.
@@dejanf8168 7000 is often the estimated amount of soldiers of all the city states combined in the battle. The Thespians only sent I believe the 700 I mentioned. No where I have read says they brought any more than that. Thespiae wasn't a super large city like Athens was so they didn't have as much manpower to send to fight.
you should react to the celtic invasion of greece, it is not widely known and it is also not known that there was another Thermophilae battle
I learned about the Peloponnesian Wars in my History class pretty recently.
Awesome!
This is Madness.
THIS IS *SPARTAA*
@PL4CEBO Wrong war.
@@Longshanks1690 Sire wrong century you're in.
Epimetheus: the king of drawing maps
Peleponnesian war in 6min video:26min damn Mr. Terry really likes to explain things :D so that nothing is left unsaid
Continue history of location series mr terry that was great but after the move u have now u are best
Bonus points for the Pink Gorilla shirt. Love that place.
You should check history summarised: alcibiades... From OSP
Good recommendation. I need to learn more about him. I'll put it in my list.
I was about to recommend that one too, it’s a crazy story 🤣
I love Epimetheus great video
WARNING!!! 19:30 That is NOT correct! Alkibiades had been accused of a conspiracy against the Athenian democracy by political adversaries right before the start of the sicilian campaign. Although he went on the mission, he was ordered to come back to face charges connected to that accusation pretty soon after, so he never actually saw much of the expedition in Sicily. for the vast majority of time Nikias and Lamachos led that expedition. And Alkibiades fled to Sparta while being brought back to Athens because he expected to be charged with irrefutable allegations anyway, so he was already on the Peloponnesians side when the Athenians were still fighting on Sicily (Some historians say that the sole ABSENCE of Alkibiades caused the Athenian expedition to fail). He later betrayed Sparta, too, by joining the Persian king, and even later returned to Athens, which was willing to amnesty him because they were in deep sh*t by that time and hoped that his military expertise could save them. SOURCES: The Peloponnesian War by Thukydides (Book 6/7: The Expedition, Book 8: The aftermath) and The Peloponnesian War ("Hellenika") by Xenophon (The downfall of Athens and the end of the war).
Hello Mr. Terry, I hope you get to see this comment. I think you should react to History Memes from memenade. There is a lot of context and backgroud that you could clarify/explain.
PD: Love your channel and content
Darn, I missed the premier. Great video though!
you know it's a good reaction when a video with "in 6 minutes" in the title has a reaction video of 26 minutes 💀
I think even if the Greek world was stabilized, Macedon would have still dominated. The military technology was simply better for Macedon and they used elite cavalry which the Greeks didn't really use in mass. Furthermore, Phillip was a military genius and he would have also had Alexander at his side. No army in the Greek world at the time had tactical geniuses that could match them.
I somewhat agree with this point but i don't think the companion or thraceian cavalry would be that effective the reason being the rough terrain of greece
Thats why greek city states never properly utilized cavalry.
You can make a case for the pike phalanx though
Furthermore I don't know anything about the capabilities of Phillip ii in a military sense he was a political genius for sure
Lastly i don't think Alexander the great was a military genius he just got lucky most of the time and the times where he wasn't lucky he had advantage in numbers.
Most of Alexander success can be attributed to the military reforms of Phillip ii
Having just finished Assassin's Creed Odyssey, which takes place during the Peloponnesian War, it was nice to watch this and take out the facts from the fiction.
I also just saw your gaming channel and that you actually played Odyssey! I feel that will be an interesting watch.
An army can only function as well as it's supply lines
For Sparta!
Macedon wasnt that far north Mr Terry.
The capital of Macedon (Pella) Was almost a coastal city.
I love the peloponnesian war
which side do you support though?
SPARTA!!!!!!!
Same!
U need to do more vids about Ancient Greece
You said that there were no greek empire yet there were tons of them : Macedonian empire,Seleucid empire,Ptolemaic empire,Later macedonian empire,Pergamon empire,pontic empire(half greek half persian) and I would also add Eastern roman empire. Many westerners were referring to it as either Imperium romanum or imperium Graecorum
You have to check out channels Voices of the Past & TastingHistory!
I just write a script about AC Odyssey and its historical accuracies compare to the Peloponnesian War. Coincidence?
Did you guys hear? Erdogan is planning on making the Haiga Sophia into a Mosque again. What are you guy's thoughts?
I for one, hope they don't touch any of the other religious property in and around cathedral/mosque and keep preferably keep it as a museum instead as an active mosque again. This will only lead to holy tensions towards the west, especially to the Greek Orthodox population.
I thought it has been a mosque ever since the Ottomans took over. It's definitely a historical monument more than a religious building now, if they want to use it for religious purposes i guess it's okay as long as other historic artifacts aren't endangered.
China got big because of Yhantzee River and flat lands (not including Tibet)
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I have a doubt --- what is the impact of the Russian revolution and the civil war on the world?
Id love to know what type of history you teach and at what level?
It's either APUSH or AP world history around 10th/11th grade. I know he used to do both, but I can't for the life of me remember
Good video, but you made (a very common) mistake at the part about the "plague". This word was used for every pandemic (as we would call it today) before modern medicine could identify different types of virus and bacteria. The "plague" in Athen was, according to Thukydides' description of the disease, not the plague in our modern understanding (Yersinia pestis), but something else. It's not 100% clear wich disease it actually was, but a good guess would be Ebola, especially as Thukydides points out that the disease started in Ethopia. Definetly not the same disease as the 14th century plague.
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love ancient Greece and Romans
Plz react to battle of midway
Painter terry!
If Macedon takes over Greece then does Macedon get annexed by Rome?
how could a greek kingdom take over itself?
React to his Maratha Empire video plz
was Sparta not the last city-state there was under Alexander the great then it died because of there own way of living
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Generally people dont like to be slaves well you see i think it was good for people they got free food
Pros and Cons especially when it ain't about race.
@@flamesofchaos13 yah not American slaves that was bad but roman slaves they are fine since free food and housing in a sense communism
Would you volunteer?
@@MrTerry Then you wouldn't be a slave but a conscript/Indentured Servant. I guess they ain't too different though. If we're talking about a slave soldier that's a maybe in that case. If it's a regular worker nope probably not.
@@MrTerry yes
Quick note, the ratio of 10:1 was inaccurate for this time period, as it represents the ratio following the Battle of Leuctra. In reality it was about 6:1 at its peak during this period. There was also a large population of "free men" who did most of the commerical acts within Sparta. These people had around a 4:1 ratio compared to the Spartans. Thus, a little over 50% of Sparta was actually enslaved, with only 8-10% being full citizens or elites. Not a bad ratio for the time. Athens had only a few thousands full citizens themselves, as much of Athenian society was broken down by how much debt you were in.
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i was banned from your discord server from “spamming” baguettes lol
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please react to the alternate history channel Whatifalthist. He is the best alternate historian out there
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