Laying Out Twisted Timbers With a Chalk Line and Level
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Laying out timbers with a chalk line and a level is a great method for dealing with problem timbers when squaring off of an edge may throw the cuts off. In this timber framing vlog we will show you how to use a chalk line and a level to achieve accurate timber frame joinery. Hope you enjoy the show.
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Hey thanks for thinking of all us want to be framers in the dark as to how to lay out a twisted stick. As in my geometry class some 58 years ago you created parallel planes to keep the tenons in line even though the timber wasn't in line itself. Thanks for the class.
No problem. I was actually happy to have another timber I could explain this with.
Cursing to the classics, I can match you chapter and verse. My wee Irish Mother referred to the swamp singers in the background as 'rinkey dinks. Brings back thoughts of warm nights some 65 years ago. The explanation was stellar, thank you.
Mike
Thanks for watching Mike.
Hey Jim! Wow! I'm learning so much watching your channel! Love your videos and I'll see you on the next one!
Thank you Donnell
Great video! I love the light up torpedo level too. Where did you find that??
Picked it up at Lowes. Hello Mike.
This was awesome Jim. Thank you for taking the time to explain this.
Hope it works for you.
good video Jim, still doing research here,
Hi again Jim. Thank you for this video. It was super helpful to me. I have a question about the first tenon that you measured out using the chalk line. At 20:00 into the vid, you're scribing one shoulder of the tenon from the chalk line, but at 20:26, you used the edge of the beam to square-up the other shoulder. Did I see this correctly, or were you doing a cross-reference thing? Basically I didn't see you reference the chalk line for the second shoulder.
I'n not trying to point out faults -trust me - I'm still never quite right with the square rule if you saw some of my stuff!
I just want to know if this can be ok to some degree
very good, difference is we stack whole bents, so could be 3 levels of beams levelled, then you need the plumb bob (more accurate than the level, but nicely explained ;0)
You must get into some good stuff. I'm hoping to eventually turn this type of work into a business but man I have a lot to learn. Seems that every stick has a new lesson for me. I appreciate your input and it's always good to hear from somebody who does it daily that you're doing it right. Thank you for coming along.
For my chalk line I use cheap heavy braided fishing line. You have to look at the line some braids are so tight chalk will not stick.
It works for me. Good explication.
That is a good idea. This line is braided and thin but it just can't leave a line like an ink line.
Someone mentioned using a plumb bob instead of the torpedo. I agree with that, it's as precise as it gets, then square off of that.
Torpedoes (even good ones) lie...plumb bobs don't.
I agree but a good level works just fine, but it needs to be quality.
This kind of information would have been great to know 35 years ago, it just wasn't readily available to us poor prairie dwellers. Really enjoy learning new stuff, even at my age.
Never too old or young to learn.
i hit subscribe when i heard the strings come in after the line snap
We bought a Lumbermill and are building our own timber framed house and are collecting logs. After watching this video and hearing you talk about timber sitting around I am assuming It is best to Mill your logs all at once without letting them sit around already milled to reduce twist and warping on a squared edge?
You got it, mill it all at once if you can and so on.
Hi Jim, When your marking off the center lines do you just keep the timber stationary, without rolling it? Everything with timber in one position. When I roll bowed timbers is wobbles on saw horses and the centerline will change if I clamp it down, due to crowning. So just let timber sit naturally and measure two centerlines on end then connect with level? Then mark other end without rolling timber? Then roll timber when creating chalk lines? Is this the process?
Let them sit naturally and draw a level line vertically through the Heart wood and a square line off of that going horizontally. Do that on both ends and snap your lines on all four sides.
I learned recently that the term "gyped' refers to gypsies and is considered quite derogatory towards them. Who knew?? Lol how times do change
I never knew that, old saying origins are very interesting to me.
Good stuff Im learning alot watching you channel.
That's what we want
Hey Jim thanks allot for doing this video, I was wondering how to do it!
Am I the only one my confused with this. I’m trying my best to understand
Watch it while doing it step by step. It will make more sense.
Good job thankyou
Good food for thought and very good explanation along with good reasoning.
Henry Schmidt
This is very helpful and gives a clear picture of things. I wish I could see the layout of a half dovetail mortise though.
I was wondering if you had a video on snap line square rule and well…here it is. You never cease to amaze. By the way my chisels from the Northmen Guild arrived last night. Felt like a little kid on Christmas morning. I filmed an unboxing I’ll put out later this week.
Send me a private message on Instagram. I'll give you my number.
Good stuff Jimmy. Roofing in June?
Plan to be.
This video couldn’t have come up at a better time for me. My drawings for my timber frame are all made to work as if I was using perfectly square wood (mill spec). Unfortunately there is too much twist in some of the wood to plain them down to exact sizes specified in my drawings without undersizing the wood. I will be able to use your method described in the video to make it work without having perfect timbers. Thanks so much!
Good luck, let me know how you make out.
TheTradesmanChannel , I’ll let you know by the end of the weekend.
I tried the method you demonstrated in the video and it worked out perfectly! This will make working with the less than perfect timbers manageable.
Excellent
ask me how I know that 🤣 thanks, you just saved me that mistake
I learn the hard way too often
We all know who made these very same mistakes (saying no names ☺)
You give a very good detailed explanation Jim why you need to snap reference lines. Excellent advice.
Great show...love the background singers...you have a fine audience of Crickets... cheers from Camp
Thank you, enjoy camp.
If you don't cuss and bleed, it'll never turn out right. And I just say 'up and down' and 'sideways'. That chalk line correction is a great tip. Thanks, Jim!
Thank you
That makes sense!!! We wish we would have understood this prior to our last TF project!!! LOL! Thanks for sharing!!
Thanks for watching
if I understood your explanation, being Irish, anybody out there should have understood it. the problem might be, I didn't understand the explanation cause I'm Irish. understand? have a great couple of evenings.
Bob I just don't know what to say...I'm baffled...
Hey Jim. Pretty good use and thinking on that twisted timber. 👍🍻 Always a learning process watching your videos. Have a great night buddy. See you on the next one.
You too Harold.
Brilliant video, Jim. Your explanation and demonstration of working off of center lines was quite easily understood, even though some of the visuals didn't translate as well as you would have liked. I had to chuckle a little bit when you marked through the center of the tenon at first. Knew you'd catch it though. Good night.
Hello Bob
Explanation was first class, just me being a bit thick, the use of the chalk lines and using them as the reference came over very well to make use of the timber you have, filming was fine.
Thank you, good afternoon.
Did anyone else see the "sea-unicorn" in that knot? (A sea-horse with a single horn). Morning Jim. Finals are over now, and instead of sleeping in, I am up again at my normal time, after only four hours of sleep. Now for the really stressful bit, waiting on grades. Great explanation/demonstration of measuring off a center line. Nicely done.
Hope your grades come back where you need them.
TheTradesmanChannel me too. I had two rather difficult courses this semester and two that were a heavy work load. I have never really had a difficult time with learning. I don't know if it is due to the stroke or age, but I am praying. Before this semester I had earned a 3.92 out of a 4.0 GPA for the first 3 1/2 years. I think it will drop some, but hope I at least passed the difficult ones. I have no doubts about the other two. Thanks again for the well wishes.
Hi Jim - Could you have corrected any of those timbers by remilling?
I would've lost too much dimension on them for my load calcs.
Hey professor Jim Great explanatory video, MORE PLEASE
Hello Doug, thank you again.
Where did you find that level it's been along time since I've been tool shopping science I have min 2 of everything.
Picked it up at Lowes. Good level.
Learned a few tricks tonight Jim, Thanks! Take Care.
Good morning
Great explanation of how to use a crooked beam my chalk lines are starting to break to old age catches up to all of us .Some days just suck.
Hello Ron
Morning Jim.... good video. I was wondering how you were going to do your measurements, never thought to use the center line. We put up our logs green, right off the stump (after peeling, of course) and they all checked in the same fashion, mostly along the lateral scribed cut in the log length. Since we used the whole log, you could say that we centered all the heartwood too. You should have a good day tomorrow, then rain for the next two, but the weekend looks good here, hope it is at your place too.
Weekend looks great here too.
Good explanation. I have finished framing my 9x12 shed and came across a couple of timbers that I should have done using the method you explained. I am satisfied with the end result, but the joinery on my next builds will be much better thanks to your advice. I'll be doing a 12x12 sugar shack and a 12x12 cider shed over the winter.
I'm in the same boat Dan
Thanks Jim, great layout video. These are all things we forget if we don't do it everyday, and are very important. This video brought back memories of my dad teaching me some of these procedures with lumber that isn't quite what you'd like. Thanks. Have a great night. I haven't seen any old chalk boxes in a long while)
Have a good night Bruce, it makes me feel pretty good the memories that get stirred up for you folks watching these.
Wouldnt you want to have the check not in your tenon? (perpendicular to 2nd face you do instead of first)?
PS. Sobon describes a method of using framing square to do the crosshairs on the ends. You set either tongue or blade (depending if your mortises-tenons are 2 or 1-1/2 inch from the face) of framing square to to the best face you got adjust it so that it is approximately same plane with high spots of this face, then do your crosshairs, then snapline. Ultimately the snaplines define the perpendicular planes, so leveling becomes unnecessary.
I know some people use centerlines but it makes more sense to me to have the snapline represent a line you are going to use. Say i have outside post and girt to layout with snapline. If im going to do 1-1/2 inch snapline from the outside face of both members, the snapline is outer side/plane for my mortises/tenons and when test fitting the snaplines should all meet.
That check is not in a place that will effect the integrity of the joint. As for the squares I alluded to their use but was showing this method.
Thanks. As you did center tenons/mortises i guess the centered snaplines actually make more sense!
Nice work as always Jim, i probably learn more from these type of videos (imperfect timber). are you concerned about the check in the tenon? or will it be ok due to its location within the frame?
It should be fine where it's located.
Great info I even understood it some
Dear Jim,
No matter what the state of a piece of timber, the true master always has more than one way to skin a cat & your demonstration clearly shows the hallmark of one. It's good to see the final pieces being dealt with in spite of the added difficulties (if it's not the weather, it's something else!). On another note, much that I enjoy your music (breaks or otherwise), seeing & hearing your shouting profanities out of sheer frustration would not my feelings dear boy; it's a pity that in this day & age one is constrained by some degree of intolerance from the powers that be. You just soldier on my old fruit, not long to go now. I am still rooting for you. Kind regards.
Almost there Dillip.
Dear Jim,
Thank you very much for your courteous reply. I know you're getting there Jim, we're all behind you & watching wit great trepidation. I never miss an episode ( only the live shows for some strange reason!!!). I promise I'll catch you one of these days & might surprise you. Kind regards.
mr,chickadee made a nice ink box
As always Jim, brilliant explanation of how to do things correctly !
Thank you, have a good evening.
Love hearing the spring peepers in the background!
Me too.
Evening Jim, another good one. Michael
Hello Michael.
What happened you run off with goats last week and now chello music. LOL
The goats ran off with me!
Great videos makes me want to build a small timber frame building
You can do it.
Good Morning Mr . Jim did good thank you nice info
Hello Shawn.
Very well done you explained that spot on I'd say . Have you watched the Japanese lay out massive timbers they do it all off the centre line the best part you talk in a language I can understand. Anyway good evening Jim hope you are all fine
Doing well David. I'm glad the explanation came across well.
Good Jim good to see you at work on your timber.
It is like therapy.
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