I could see this happening. I could also see iRacing team up with a chassis manufacturer and create a IndyCar-ish chassis, just like they did with Dallara and the IR01.
I'm betting we'll see an "Open Wheel 800km" or something like they did with Le Mans last year. They buried it in another series and unofficially called it the 1440 minutes at Le Sarthe.
During the pandemic it was so cool to see actual IndyCar drivers engaged with the fans through IRacing. Had a blast watching it especially Connor was always hilarious. It seemed so great for the racing and IndyCar community along with attracting new fans. A real win win. So why would the IndyCar leadership allow this new issue to occur. Not the kind of media IndyCar needs.
Not just the Ignition 21 cluster-buttfuck, but probably also F1 22 cluster-buttfuck as well. Basically IndyCar shot itself in the hat by trusting too much in Motorsports Games.
Unfortunately the deal got signed before that cluster……it doesn’t make the deal any less stupid but they wouldn’t have known it was gonna be as bad as it is
As long as they don't kill off their money laundering.... I mean sponsors they could care less about you or I, or whether you or I are in any of the empty grandstands they play to 😄
Its motorsports games wanting a monoloply. They are not very well liked and they have lost 30Mil this year. They want a monopoly so they can put out a shit product and keep doing it because people will have no choice.
Renting any service = bad idea. As the elites further the push of "renting" more & more problems like this in life will happen. Anything not bought out right is bad
@@simrigpc27b12 Empty? I went to the Detroit Grand Prix and the stands were full, they have 100k people there. This year has been a big comeback for Indycar. It sucks, but I don't think sim racing affects the fanbase as much as you think.
So here’s what just hurts me as a new indycar fan. I live in Wilkesboro, the real birthplace of stock cars racing, I got into sim racing thanks to Emptybox, got big into sim racing indycar based on his videos and experiences, during this time I started watching indycar races, but in 2020 I had tickets to go to Richmond, it was going to be my first indycar race and I was damn excited, and it’s sucked when Covid hit and everything got canceled, but as a fan I rallied around the fact that they were using iracing to continue racing. I got burned on those tickets though, since they never opted to reschedule Richmond I ended up having to swap the tickets to go to a NASCAR event that I didn’t really want to go to. Now after iracing has implemented AI for indycar and have every official track, now indycar basically turns its nose up and feels better than the community that help it up during Covid. It’s just a huge turn off for me. I may criticize NASCAR for being gimmicky and kind of a meme championship format, but at last they seem to support their dance through licensing instead of indycar who constantly push us all away.
Well said Cap. I've been a fan since 1986 and lived through the whole IRL vs. CART war. Every time they try this type of money grab (which is how we ended up with IndyCar as it is today), they end up shooting themselves in the foot. It's been more than 20 years since they had a cool car, nobody can pick an IndyCar driver out of a police lineup and just like in the 90's, the richest teams dominate the sport. They are clearly incapable of learning from mistakes and just when they have a new generation of race fans looking at them, they pull something like this and remind us all of the ghost of Tony George past. NASCAR and F1 have a watchable quality. I will wake up at 5:30 in the morning for an F1 race. IndyCar is what you watch on TV instead of professional bowling.
I mean, show me a series where the richest teams don’t dominate? F1 just had 1 driver win the most races in 1 year by an individual and his second championship in a row after Merc won 7 years in a row, and you think thats a better series? Give me a break.
@@Mortimuss Notice how F1 has better cars, more innovation, more household names, is getting more popular, and isn't doing it's best to shove away fans.
@@Mortimuss f1 is better. Sprint cars are better than both. But that my opinion. The reality is there are completely different sports. The only real similarities are they all use some sort of rubber compound for tires. Other than that nothing is even close
Given the state of NASCAR Ignition, Motorsports Games seems like a terrible horse to which to hitch IndyCar's wagon. They should be looking to get out of that deal, not abandon one of the top streamed games on Twitch and RUclips.
It's not even just Indycar and NASCAR. Motorsport Games went on a licence buying spree even including WEC (including the Le Mans 24H, and the British Touring Car Championship (BTCC). There may even be other licences MSG has. The best we can hope for is for them to be liquidated and the licences to be open to anyone else (iRacing, Forza, GT etc). The only way these exclusive licences were ever agreed was because of stupid amounts of money, and no one seeing MSG as a scam company at that time
If they let the rfactor 2 team do the physics of that new game, it could be good, if ever published. In my opinion, rfactor 2 still has superior physics compared to iracing
Just so unnecessary when your trying to grow your marketing and the sport to the public. David makes a great point that your looking for that young man demographic to go to your races have a great time and bring your son and daughter and family invested in the sport. I am taking my wife to her first race in Iowa for the doubleheader and my dad and son to Portland Grand Prix where we live. You really grow your sport by having it be known and having fun video games seems like a no brainer an easy way for kids to identify the cars and drivers. What is it a billion-dollar industry and the sport doesn't have a product out there. To me I think back of Tecmo bowl and Pole Position games way back that were fun to play. So I think they really need a great sim game and a great fun arcade style game to place in movie theaters and arcades and so forth just my opinion but that is what i would do. You make a great point John. At the very least a cell phone game that is quick and fun to play.
@@CallforthePriest trust me, I LOVE the sport. IndyCar is my #1. But that’s the problem. The competition is just so damn beautiful and very competitive, but IndyCar isn’t marketing it as much and people are missing out on action-packed open wheel racing.
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT I very much agree with this statement. IMO they're still ending the championship way too early, F1 still had maybe a third of the season left by the time Indy was done. I do not watch football ever, I just stop watching Indy Car because they can't better advertise, and therefore just decided to end their seasons early last many years. I like motor sports not stick and or ball sports, I'm going to watching racing 10/10 over any other sport.
@@danphilip10 I think the season between February-September is good. 7 or 7 1/2 is a good length for IndyCar and it’s not too long or short. I don’t blame them to race while football is long. Plus F1 is a worldwide sport. So that’s why they’re long (too long). It could be worse, they could be doing March-August like 2014 and 2015. And COVID Season from June to October in 2020. Yuck
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT Hey I just want to see Indy cars on track!!! Next is Rolex 24 for drivers around the world, including a handful of IndyCar drivers!
I am 54 and don’t play video games as much as I did when my kids were young. But I have been saying this since the re-unification! How can we attract new younger fans to the sport? I was forced to play Nascar games with my son when he was little because there was no Indycar video game. How can there be No Indycar Video game? They are getting close to going back to those days. Any time we get momentum with the younger viewing crowd then there is some stupid marketing issue like this. My nephews play IRacing all day are huge F1 fans and I have been able to get them interested by taking them to races. Now this!! Merry Christmas, again from the front offices of Indycar! And, I still can’t believe this new gaming company is almost bankrupt. Nice. I totally feel your pain David. It is not easy being an unpaid promoter for the series. I feel like Clark Griswald when he got the “jelly of the month” club for a Christmas bonus. Ha.
Once a upon a time Champcar was so popular that it was not competing with NASCAR it was competing with Formula 1 and was an attractive option to the reigning F1 champion to join.
HAHAHA, good one. IndyCar, like many other American sports does not do well Internationally, It would never be considered "so popular" outside of the US. I personally thought IndyCar was just another american excuse of rebranding a european sport. You know like Baseball - Cricket, American Football - Rugby. Soccer - Football....IndyCar - F1. Its the place F1 has beens go when things go sideways. "So popular" bless never spat out a drink mid sip before, thought that was purely a comic gag.
It's easy. Young people stop watching it. Ratings plummet. NBC puts it on peacock, less people watch it. Teams start pulling out of the sport shrinking it even more. The entire Indycar board is fired. Roger sells the Series to Zak Brown. Zak makes it a massive success. see simple
David, the Brazilian community is probably the second bigger in the Oval iRacing community and we are mostly focused on IndyCars. Most brazilian guys grew up watching our drivers in the championship and we have iRacing leagues with prizes, sponsors, teams and people being paid do drive. Without the broadcasts it will be nearly impossible to continue. Not sure if you have some voice on Indycar but the broadcast thing is probably more important than the Indy500 ban. If they allow broadcasts, even without mentioning the name Indycar, it would be a great help for our leagues and the american ones that I'm already seeing in the comments.
Nobody cares about your league broadcast you don't have to stop it. iRacing has to legally ban broadcasts to protect against the community planning a huge unofficial Indy 500 and then getting sued.
@@Matt18880 Tell that to RaceSpot and the other companies that have been told the can no longer broadcast IR-18, DW-12 and IR-05 events at all. It's not just about the Indy 500. Our organization runs two of those 3 cars. That's 2 whole series now that overnight that cannot be broadcast. We also hold our own 500's at IMS. Don't think RSTV is going to risk broadcasting anyone's league events so this clearly isn't just about the official iRacing Indy 500. The horrible thing that could be happening here as DL speculated is if iRacing truly was trying to get back at IndyCar for this by banning broadcasts in an effort to prevent advertising of any kind for IndyCar. Would hate to think this true but the point of the matter is that for now two series of ours are basically shut down in an instant.
If they think their new game will have the same impact the F1 game has they have another thing coming. The more Indycar licensing the better for them so restricting it to one game is a bad idea imo.
That’s exactly what they think, and hope. That’s how they should be thinking. It is pro consumer to not have exclusives but it isn’t pro company. If there is an issue in the game like tires or something else there is one place they can go to and it has to be worked out. They control their license in a more efficient manner and make more money than splitting the deal between multiple studios and then hiring all the support staff to manage their IP.
@@theshovl3r there’s going to be a few more issues than just tires wrong with this new Indycar game I can guarantee that. They’ll be lucky if Motorsport Games is even solvent by the time the stated release date rolls around
@@NewscasterNews4 honestly, it doesn’t matter, iracing is to small for that to matter. Despite the outcome with msg, it was better than iracing 1000x over for the simple fact they would get a cut of sales and it’s user base would not be paying others for the subscription, game, and car. Iracing is to small for any company to actually care.
Great point if anything Indycar should be working on a quick cell phone game. An arcade style fun racing game and the sim game to cover all formats for the people who might show an interest in your sport. To restrict yourself to just the most realistic sim game and expect to beat F1 or really grow your sport doesn't really make a lot of sense. You do need young people to get invested and interested in the sport no matter what format of game can help you get there. I also think they should have Go-Kart tracks at every one of the races on the calender and do a promotion for the kids to meet and spend time with the drivers as a bonus. That's just me what I would do.
@@theshovl3r you are sadly mistaken. This is a huge mistake by Indycar to their most loyal base. they are nowhere NEAR what F1 has built, and they are trying big boy F1 moves, but they are not big boys yet. I love Indycar, but it is in a very fragile position -- their fanbase is mostly weak and fickle. This won't work.
So funny how when I expressed initial skepticism of Roger Penske buying into the ownership of IndyCar, most people shat on me who responded. Guess who’s having the last laugh now, and I wish I wasn’t.
IndyCar has never fully recovered from the split and continue to shoot themselves in the foot everytime they gain momentum. I'm not on iRacing but there is no good reason for this partnership to end. The IndyCar game has to be better than Ignition. There's no way it can be worse than that. I've been a hard-core IndyCar fan for a long time. I really want IndyCar to be as popular as NASCAR is (in terms of U.S. TV ratings). They need to do a better job at gaining attraction from new younger fans. Hopefully "100 Days to Indy" succeeds and is the start to IndyCar's rise in popularity.
Honestly at this point I’m starting to question if IndyCar is even going to survive as a viable series a decade or two down the road, if that. I’ve been trying to give Roger Penske the benefit of the doubt (as skeptical as I was initially) since he bought IndyCar and was initially dealt a crap hand from the pandemic. But at this point he doesn’t have that excuse anymore and frankly I’m beginning to lose patience with him. Sure he’s done some good for the sport, but the stagnation that plagued IndyCar before he took the leadership helm he’s only continued and, in many instances, has worsened IndyCar’s future in an increasing array of areas with this, the hybrid engine debacle, fumbling attracting a third manufacturer, and other things. At this point it’s just an endless meme and whenever IndyCar takes a step forward, they show once again they follow it up taking three or four steps backwards.
Personally I could do a better job at marketing this series you have to spam social media constant posts push e esports make the drivers like celebrities. Indycar has the drivers, the personalities, the tracks, the talent, the drama to be huge.
@@johnnyweaver9946 I follow F1, Indy, and NASCAR. F1 and NASCAR have a huge, engaging social media team, Indy doesn't. I mean, I have to Google the start times to make sure I don't miss a race and that shouldn't happen.
Exactly... great points on social media, etc. The Indycar website is a joke, can't find anything. I go to Laguna Seca every single year for both IMSA and Indycar, and IMSA is promoted so much more, and with a vastly higher level of quality. The IMSA app works great on raceday to keep track of things, with a terrific audio broadcast stream. Indycar is trying to pretend it is competing with F1, and it is not.
That is hilariously accurate. Literally the two biggest drivers of my love for racing as a kid. Just poor all your marketing dollars into that, IndyCar.
Such a shame they botched this so badly on the IC side. The new WoO game on consoles is great. Looks good and plays good. That's all they needed to do... partner up with iRacing and make an Indycar version. Instead, we get vaporware.
They went from sim to hyper casual. They want the console peeps to pick up a controller and go vroom vroom at the Indy 500. A huge step down to one of the worst to make any type of motorsports game. One step forward and 10 steps back for IndyCar.
There will be no Indy or Nascar game in 2023. These Execs and Marketing folks high up are completely clueless as to what is going on a MotorSport Games. I can't believe they lasted through the end of 2022. They got some additional funding, but anyone with a half a brain would realize those funds won't last more than a few months to pay salaries, etc... What a mess
As an Indycar fan from Australia since Detroit 1992 (Stefan Johansson's first race) this really is a shot in the arm. It is almost like they don't want to have a series anymore but have something new where they can start from the ground up but don't want it all to become another CART v. IRL debacle. Signing an exclusive licence with a company that has a poor track record of not only releasing games, but quality games, AND is in such financial strife is such a bad idea. What IndyCar should have done is see how far along Motorsports Games has come along with their product and if it is any good. Then pull out of the deal (or if too difficult legally then not support it) and then let the iRacing/Monster Games team have a go at it. What they have done with World of Outlaws is a great game with really good AI. iRacing has also been improving the AI on the main platform too plus all the time and effort they have made into laser scanning the tracks to make them as realistic as possible. They have even scanned Nashville Street circuit but not released it. I highly doubt Motorsport games has laser scanned anything especially with their finances, so the cars and tracks will just be fake representations to be made to appear close enough to the real thing. I will continue to watch and support IndyCar racing as I have not liked F1 since the mid 2000's as technology has gotten too far in the way of actual driver skill, also I don't like NASCAR as they rarely do anything besides ovals.
i'm gonna play devil's advocate and say both parties are equally to blame for this, indycar screwed big time with the exclusivity deal but that wouldn't have been so cut-throat if iracing had taken the drivers criticism better instead of throwing a tantrum
This seems to be an avoidable loss for IndyCar. To me, this also sparks a bigger concern into how serious can Racing E-sports actually become when license updates threaten the future of scheduled Esports events?
Really don't know what IndyCar can do to get out of the Motorsport games deal but I doubt anyone has faith that a potential IndyCar game will be good if it comes out at all. Marshall Pruett apparently had trouble coming up with a really good answer as to what positives Penske has done since acquiring the series
For a company that hasn't had an official game in nearly 18 years, IndyCar is certainly high on their own supply. iRacing is not IndyCar's enemy. Motorsport Games very well could be. I would hope that Roger Penske didn't jump into this agreement lightly, but I have no idea if he or the people in his ear know anything about video games. I can respect exclusivity to a certain degree, but a company should have to prove itself before you just hand them your license.
Nah, there just shouldn't be exclusivity. EA Sports had amazing games in the 00s when they had to compete, look at them now that everything is exclusive.
The part that really boggles my mind is the fact that iRacing JUST released the World of Outlaws console title and by all accounts I've heard it is excellent. Yet IndyCar's genius minds think going with a company that hasn't released half its titles and the ones that did release have been nothing but trash is the way to go. It's just breathtakingly stupid on a level I can't fathom.
at this point i dont even care if the game is trash i just want an indycar game and i will buy it day 1 regardless ... im a console player so i dont have access to all the indycar asseto corsa and rf2 mods.
@@commanderclaude8781 so you're fine with every aspect of everyone else's indycar experience being worse because you're too fucking lazy to buy a computer? Thanks good to know. Moron.
If the Indycar game from Motorsport Games sucks just like Nascar Ignition did, I think the community would be outraged. It would be a huge sacrifice without benefit, effectively killing any interest for Indy racing in simracing.
Indycar clearly doesn't get it. Nascar allows iracing to do everything they're doing on the sim and yet, have gained fans. This is how you lose new fans.
Not only that, iRacing helps develop stuff for Nascar, for instance, they worked together for the L.A Coliseum, Atlanta repave and Chicago street course. If I remember correctly iRacing even helped some on the Development of the Next Gen car.
You can blame tony george for that and possibly max mosley and bernie ecclestone acting as grime wormtongue in his and the hulman family's ears promising a F1 race there.
Automobilista devs also stated that There will be no Indycar stuff either for AMS2 Formula USA part 3 was cancelled since the negotiations went sour and mute in November.
I wonder... what if Indycar is doing this because they want to buy out Motorsports Games? If they're in such financial trouble, then why is Indycar so invested in them and not in something like iRacing? It wouldn't make logical sense unless they have a plan for both them and Motorsports Games. I don't know how likely a merger is, but it could happen.
Interesting take, only problem I see with this possibility is that nobody really cares enough to buy an indycar only game to make it viable. On iRacing the official indycar series had a really small draw for most of it's 13 yrs. I dont see the sim racing masses spending even more money to only race Indycar when it has a very small draw on an everything platform like iRacing. The 500 has always been a huge deal that most iRacing members have dedicated a lot of time to. But not really the series.
8:54 why does it not seem like they’ll have any new games? They confirmed Motorsport games is producing their NTT title in the next calendar year did they not? They’ve made a business choice to make their asset exclusive which is likely as they see it more profitable. This doesn’t seem like so scandalous given there’s very accessible options to compensate. Now whether you those are fiscally responsible we shall see. I think not so much too but protecting their own brand image regardless of their business choices is the least controversial thing about this. Dale has a stated conflict of interest as well so nothing he says is the least bit shocking
[indycar] 'how do we go about sh**ting the bed with our entire fanbase?' [Motorsport games] 'heres a 60million dollar cheque so we can do nothing with your product and its legacy, future.' [indycar] 'yes'.
iRacing was borne of a passion for motorsports, something we all share to varying degrees. But with monetary success, corruption can be soon to follow. EA Sports used to take pride in the accuracy of their sports simulations as well. But for me, when iRacing does something to DIMINISH THE VALUE OF CONTENT WE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR, such as this mess, and when a car is no longer offered on it's servers (Radical R8, IR-01 will go the same way as examples), we consumers are owed.
For now, it will become part of iRacing's Broadcast Policy (and specifically affect TV-style broadcasts) on January 1 2023 - but they'd only be taking this step because of licensing obstacles
It's weird to think about how it was as a kid in the 80's by comparison. On the Nintendo there was a Little Al game, a Michael Andretti game, and Danny Sullivan Indy Heat. Then a Nigel Mansell Indy game on SNES, Andretti racing on Playstation, and so on. Were they exceptional, of course not. But they were games where you could race an Indycar. Now the series just puts all their eggs in one basket and when the company falls apart, Indycar is completely screwed.
indycar has made a huge mistake. motorsport games has done nothing to make me feel that the indycar game will even be released let alone be any good. look at the state of the attempts so far.
There is no indicar game coming in 2023. Unless they are keeping everything super wrapped up for some reason, You don't find people in Motorsport games that claim they are working on this title for instance. It is vaporware. They haven't done the ground work to add these cars to rFactor 2 let alone a full game release.
Do you even know what you are talking about? The IR-18 car and a number of Indycar tracks have already been added to rFactor 2 throughout 2022 as DLC. Motorsport Games seem to be doing with the Indycar licence what they did with the BTCC one; buy the licence, tease a standalone game based on said licence and end up scrapping said game in favour of adding said licenced content to rFactor 2 as DLC.
9:58 nascar knows that someone streaming a nascar irace is attention on nascar and exposure of nascar. Indycar……once again……shot themselves in the foot
It's bad that this deal is happening. With Motorsports Games financial and leadership issues I really do not understand how they are still able to pull this off. I have not seen anyone saying anything good about NASCAR Ignition from them and I've tried rFactor2 and do not care for it but I see the virtual INDY 500 going the same direction of the 24 Hours of LeMans with it being hosted on rFactor2 as that title seems to be what id keeping them afloat.
Baffling to me. Especially with the shady stuff swirling around Motorsport Games in the last year or so. Not only is IndyCar walking away from easy, valuable and successful marketing...but clearly they aren't doing very thorough due diligence on their partners.
I’m 37 yrs old. I’ve been a fan of auto racing since I was 4yrs old. I loved watching Indycar, back when it was the PPG Indycar series, and seeing my favorite driver Michael Andretti in the infamous white and black Kmart Havoline car. I hadn’t played a fun indycar game since Newman Haas racing on PS1, and Cart World series(yeah, the Sony game, I’m that old lol). The main thing that drew me to iRacing(when I had a gaming PC before I had to sell it due to the pandemic), was racing the Indycars. This was a legitimate guy punch because I enjoyed watching the iRacing indycar content on youtube(which led me to @David Land’s channel). Motorsport games hasn’t given me any confidence that a good game will be made, based on the NASCAR effort alone. I pray this can be salvaged
Someone found the SEC filings for the NASCAR deal and the NASCAR legal team carved out an explicit exception in the MSG deal for iRacing. Why Indycar didn't do this, I do not know.
@@nihontiger Did not know that, because of where I am I can't actually get to the SEC ilings due tou GDPR or something. Then again knowing the shady shit MSG pulls I'm not putting it past them to have tried for 110% exclusive and got shot down by NASCAR though. NASCAR is at least a litle competent in one thing. Now if they'd fix up the rest of their decision making... I'm just deeply, eeply cynical o MSG. If they can do this with Indycar. Where do they raw the line, do they try with BTCC, with Ausie Supercars, with IMSA, IMSA? WEC and so on. THe sooner MSGM go uner, IMO, the better. Not just or the licensing fiasco, but their overall atitude and shady dealings though.
Motorsports Games will either ruin the future of sim racing or help it. After these contracts are finally up these race series that got burned my no longer want to deal with sim racing and stop all together. Or perhaps they’ll stay away from exclusives deals in the future and offer the IP to anyone who pays.
Isn’t INDYCAR going to Motorsport Games to start a new game. Ooof I’d rather have INDYCAR go to EA Sports and that’s saying a lot. Motorsport Games has destroyed the NASCAR Ignition franchise.
And watch in the end, MSG goes belly up before releasing the Indycar games so Penske & company will be crawling back to iRacing on their hands & knees begging to let back on the platform.
@@Bitterman5868 I assume you know EA bought out Codemasters nearly 2 years ago for $1.2bn. I suppose EA might take the deal on if they think there's a big enough market and IndyCar don't get greedy with a licensing fee.
I was born around the corner from Clint Brawner in Phoenix Arizona. Clint Brawner was Mario Andretti's car builder and chief mechanic. Needless to say I was raised an Andretti fan. I first learned of iracing when real Indycar drivers were Youtubing races during the pandemic. I had no idea how for racing "games" had come. I signed up for iracing a little over a year ago and have enjoyed every step of the way. I have learned to like road racing in any and all cars iracing has to offer. It certainly is a punch in the gut that Roger has made this decision, but in all honesty, I will not go out and buy a game that is exclusive to Indycar. I have a blast running any open wheeler on iracing, and most other classes as well. I enjoy designing my cars too. And with what is starting to look like an eleventh team on the f1 grid being an Andretti team, I will more than likely pay far more attention to f1 than I will Indycar.
Series (and every sport for that matter) should require developers to make two games before they can get exclusive rights. Have them invest that money they're spending to get exclusivity on actually making a good game
I have a feeling that iRacing almost banning Scott Dixon for criticizing iRacing’s Indycar might’ve had an effect on this. I also wonder what happened to the Automoblitsa (I probably spelled it wrong) 2 game deal with the Indycar
All they had to do was include the circuits that are still not available in the service, update the cars and sell all of that as a bundle. They already have the physics engine, the graphics, and the player base... perhaps adding a "simplified" version for a broader audience wouldn't hurt. What a disaster.
I can't wait for IndyCar Ignition or some other crap from Motorsport games. I seriously question the intent behind this deal. Motorsport games must be giving them a hell of deal or making some kind of promises that we all know they cannot keep.
62yrs old, retired financial trader, INDYCAR fan first NASCAR fan second, NOT a video game player ever: Mr. Land this is exceptional explanation presentation from both a sports fan gamer prospective and a business point of view, awesome work!
This is sad for me. The whole reason I have even followed IndyCar, mostly through this channel, is because of driving the IndyCar on iracing. Particularly the Indy 500. I hope there is some sort of 500 race at Indy this year because it was a lot of fun.
Whole situation is crazy - IndyCar have lost official presence on the worlds largest online racing sim for a console game that hasn't come out. Strange.
I'm getting 1996 indycar split vibes with this decision......sickens me to see this happening been an indycar fan since the 90s and this reminds me of certain parallels to the split....I finally got to run the Iracing 500 last year...what an experience....and to lose that now...sucks so much just like in real life...indycar could step to forefront with all the problems nascar has but once again they make ass mind-boggling decision that'll probably hurt the series once again
To be honest, if Motorsport Games and the new Indy game flops/dies. Then Indy tries to go back to iRacing. I wouldn't be surprised if iRacing says "nope, get lost" after having that long of a relationship between the two, just to lose all rights basically to a competitor. I don't think i'd blame iRacing either.
TBH I don't think this warranted a 21 min vid but I respect the grind for that $$$. IndyCar messed up royally by not doing their due diligence with Motorsport Games. It's easy to google Dmitry Kozko's name and discover a history of lawsuits & grossly unprofitable companies run into the ground. I was tipped off about this in the spring by what appears to be a MSGM employee and it surprised me how everything was right out in the open. The fact that nobody at a professional sports league could use Google, when even McDonalds does a more thorough background check on new applicants, is a huge cause for concern.
The World of Outlaws sanction their own Sprint Car and Late Model iracing series. The races are streamed on RUclips and Dirtvision and pay $10,000 to win the championship. You can race your way into a full time spot and if you finish high enough in the points you guarantee a spot in the following season. The best race at IMS every year is the BC39.
I'm not someone who plays iRacing, nor do I have any interests (thanks to Austin Ogonoski showing how corrupt iRacing is) but this is a massive disappointment from IndyCar. I have no idea what Roger Penske and the rest of the ownership group are thinking with this move, especially since Motorsports Games is a scam company that will likely go bankrupt.
I never would've imagined that something like this could happen. It goes to show that nothing is ever permanent and makes me wonder if they could loose other relationships in the future.
I think the community would have been a bit more accepting of this decision, if the developer was Codemasters, Polyphony, Turn 10, etc. The fact that they chose Motorsport is the definition of stupidity Somehow, every new Nascar game the make is worse than the previous one. It is well known that those people are an embarrassment to racing games as a whole. Sorry for the rant, as soon as I heard "exclusivity with Motorsport Games" I got pissed.
Its kind of a shame really, I 1st discovered Indycar racing from way back on the N64 with Indy Racing 2000, because of that game I know names of some of those late 90's drivers like Greg Ray, Kenny Brack, Scott Goodyear, Sam Schmidt, Mark Dismore, Billy Boat. But with Indycar cutting away from iRacing and the shambles that Motorsport Games is, it seems like Indycar is going the wrong direction all together.
@David Land "On November 9, 2022, Motorsport Games announced that it had effected a 1-for-10 reverse stock split that became effective at 12:01 a.m. ET on November 10, 2022, and that Company’s Class A common stock would begin trading on a split-adjusted basis at the opening of the market on November 10, 2022. The purpose of the reverse stock split was to raise the per share trading price of the Company Class A common stock to continue its listing on the Nasdaq Capital Market." Cause you mentioned in the video its stock share was worth pennies, not quoting but I just looked at their listing and it was like $2.33 at the time of this post. Which is why I've quoted the above post from their website. I don't see a quality game coming out, if there even is one at all based on the info I've found in the last 20 minutes online.
Ah yes and will we get an Indycar game from Motorsport games. No. Benefit is that hopefully this is short termed and Indycar can get out of the contract apologize to iracing and hope they resign Indycar
Time for iRacing to do their own US 500!
with blackjack! and hookers!
I could see this happening. I could also see iRacing team up with a chassis manufacturer and create a IndyCar-ish chassis, just like they did with Dallara and the IR01.
I'm betting we'll see an "Open Wheel 800km" or something like they did with Le Mans last year. They buried it in another series and unofficially called it the 1440 minutes at Le Sarthe.
@@marcolian This... a modified IR-01 but rebalanced and oval ready... I can see this happening as a temporary workaround.
Iracing has the us 500 already, join any carb or pickup cup, everyone crashes taking the green
During the pandemic it was so cool to see actual IndyCar drivers engaged with the fans through IRacing. Had a blast watching it especially Connor was always hilarious. It seemed so great for the racing and IndyCar community along with attracting new fans. A real win win. So why would the IndyCar leadership allow this new issue to occur. Not the kind of media IndyCar needs.
did Indycar not learn from the clusterfuck of Ignition 21?
this is a real smoothbrain move
Not just the Ignition 21 cluster-buttfuck, but probably also F1 22 cluster-buttfuck as well. Basically IndyCar shot itself in the hat by trusting too much in Motorsports Games.
@David Pietras not to gaming, but to profits and marketing, whaish MS games has done poorly in
Unfortunately the deal got signed before that cluster……it doesn’t make the deal any less stupid but they wouldn’t have known it was gonna be as bad as it is
No turning back once they signed a contract. And that contract was already signed... now they have to suck it up and go through with it.
@@X1erra indy could have insisted on an exceptional for iracing in the same way NASCAR did
Indycar, getting in it's own way since 1996.
INDYCAR wants to kill itself, this hurts me so much. Its just a kick to the balls over and over again. Stay strong INDYCAR fans.
As long as they don't kill off their money laundering.... I mean sponsors they could care less about you or I, or whether you or I are in any of the empty grandstands they play to 😄
yea, greed will come around to bite them in the ass....good
Its motorsports games wanting a monoloply. They are not very well liked and they have lost 30Mil this year. They want a monopoly so they can put out a shit product and keep doing it because people will have no choice.
Renting any service = bad idea. As the elites further the push of "renting" more & more problems like this in life will happen. Anything not bought out right is bad
@@simrigpc27b12 Empty? I went to the Detroit Grand Prix and the stands were full, they have 100k people there. This year has been a big comeback for Indycar. It sucks, but I don't think sim racing affects the fanbase as much as you think.
So here’s what just hurts me as a new indycar fan.
I live in Wilkesboro, the real birthplace of stock cars racing, I got into sim racing thanks to Emptybox, got big into sim racing indycar based on his videos and experiences, during this time I started watching indycar races, but in 2020 I had tickets to go to Richmond, it was going to be my first indycar race and I was damn excited, and it’s sucked when Covid hit and everything got canceled, but as a fan I rallied around the fact that they were using iracing to continue racing.
I got burned on those tickets though, since they never opted to reschedule Richmond I ended up having to swap the tickets to go to a NASCAR event that I didn’t really want to go to.
Now after iracing has implemented AI for indycar and have every official track, now indycar basically turns its nose up and feels better than the community that help it up during Covid.
It’s just a huge turn off for me.
I may criticize NASCAR for being gimmicky and kind of a meme championship format, but at last they seem to support their dance through licensing instead of indycar who constantly push us all away.
It's off topic but I'm happy to see another Empty Box fan, his videos got me into iracing last year. Love that he's back.
Well said Cap. I've been a fan since 1986 and lived through the whole IRL vs. CART war. Every time they try this type of money grab (which is how we ended up with IndyCar as it is today), they end up shooting themselves in the foot. It's been more than 20 years since they had a cool car, nobody can pick an IndyCar driver out of a police lineup and just like in the 90's, the richest teams dominate the sport. They are clearly incapable of learning from mistakes and just when they have a new generation of race fans looking at them, they pull something like this and remind us all of the ghost of Tony George past. NASCAR and F1 have a watchable quality. I will wake up at 5:30 in the morning for an F1 race. IndyCar is what you watch on TV instead of professional bowling.
I mean, show me a series where the richest teams don’t dominate? F1 just had 1 driver win the most races in 1 year by an individual and his second championship in a row after Merc won 7 years in a row, and you think thats a better series? Give me a break.
@@Mortimuss Notice how F1 has better cars, more innovation, more household names, is getting more popular, and isn't doing it's best to shove away fans.
@@Mortimuss f1 is better. Sprint cars are better than both. But that my opinion. The reality is there are completely different sports. The only real similarities are they all use some sort of rubber compound for tires. Other than that nothing is even close
Given the state of NASCAR Ignition, Motorsports Games seems like a terrible horse to which to hitch IndyCar's wagon. They should be looking to get out of that deal, not abandon one of the top streamed games on Twitch and RUclips.
I think the Indycar marketing folks are unaware of the absolute bottomless barrel of incompetence that calls itself motorsport games
It's not even just Indycar and NASCAR. Motorsport Games went on a licence buying spree even including WEC (including the Le Mans 24H, and the British Touring Car Championship (BTCC). There may even be other licences MSG has. The best we can hope for is for them to be liquidated and the licences to be open to anyone else (iRacing, Forza, GT etc).
The only way these exclusive licences were ever agreed was because of stupid amounts of money, and no one seeing MSG as a scam company at that time
it for sure is not one of the top streamed games is all im saying in response to this
If they let the rfactor 2 team do the physics of that new game, it could be good, if ever published. In my opinion, rfactor 2 still has superior physics compared to iracing
@@tak_mau7824 refactor 2 1000% has better physics it’s not even debatable
What a horrible controversy this is. I will not lose faith in the sanctioning body for IndyCar, but this is a black eye
Just so unnecessary when your trying to grow your marketing and the sport to the public. David makes a great point that your looking for that young man demographic to go to your races have a great time and bring your son and daughter and family invested in the sport. I am taking my wife to her first race in Iowa for the doubleheader and my dad and son to Portland Grand Prix where we live. You really grow your sport by having it be known and having fun video games seems like a no brainer an easy way for kids to identify the cars and drivers. What is it a billion-dollar industry and the sport doesn't have a product out there. To me I think back of Tecmo bowl and Pole Position games way back that were fun to play. So I think they really need a great sim game and a great fun arcade style game to place in movie theaters and arcades and so forth just my opinion but that is what i would do. You make a great point John. At the very least a cell phone game that is quick and fun to play.
Those skin colored gloves make me nervous, man.
But on topic, Indycar *won't* have young fans for much longer if they keep this stuff up.
They’ll regret this decision in the future when their popularity drops, and they’ll wonder why. Real Geniuses working at IndyCar.
I wish IndyCar can stop taking L’s. Yet, they’re wondering why the sport isn’t growing popularity…🙄
its still more entertaining than nascar is at this point in time
@@CallforthePriest trust me, I LOVE the sport. IndyCar is my #1. But that’s the problem. The competition is just so damn beautiful and very competitive, but IndyCar isn’t marketing it as much and people are missing out on action-packed open wheel racing.
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT I very much agree with this statement. IMO they're still ending the championship way too early, F1 still had maybe a third of the season left by the time Indy was done. I do not watch football ever, I just stop watching Indy Car because they can't better advertise, and therefore just decided to end their seasons early last many years. I like motor sports not stick and or ball sports, I'm going to watching racing 10/10 over any other sport.
@@danphilip10 I think the season between February-September is good. 7 or 7 1/2 is a good length for IndyCar and it’s not too long or short. I don’t blame them to race while football is long. Plus F1 is a worldwide sport. So that’s why they’re long (too long).
It could be worse, they could be doing March-August like 2014 and 2015. And COVID Season from June to October in 2020. Yuck
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT Hey I just want to see Indy cars on track!!! Next is Rolex 24 for drivers around the world, including a handful of IndyCar drivers!
I am 54 and don’t play video games as much as I did when my kids were young. But I have been saying this since the re-unification! How can we attract new younger fans to the sport? I was forced to play Nascar games with my son when he was little because there was no Indycar video game. How can there be No Indycar Video game? They are getting close to going back to those days. Any time we get momentum with the younger viewing crowd then there is some stupid marketing issue like this. My nephews play IRacing all day are huge F1 fans and I have been able to get them interested by taking them to races. Now this!! Merry Christmas, again from the front offices of Indycar! And, I still can’t believe this new gaming company is almost bankrupt. Nice. I totally feel your pain David.
It is not easy being an unpaid promoter for the series. I feel like Clark Griswald when he got the “jelly of the month” club for a Christmas bonus. Ha.
I got in to indycar because of iRacing. Enough said.
They wonder why their popularity keeps dropping. It’s because of stuff like this!
Just think, once upon a time indycar was so popular that it could convince entire cities to shut down their streets for a race.
Exactly. Now they are sh*t thinkin' they are chocolate mousse. Long ways to go Indycar!
There was once a time where they were arguably just as (if not more) popular as Formula 1 in 1993/1994.
Once a upon a time Champcar was so popular that it was not competing with NASCAR it was competing with Formula 1 and was an attractive option to the reigning F1 champion to join.
HAHAHA, good one. IndyCar, like many other American sports does not do well Internationally, It would never be considered "so popular" outside of the US. I personally thought IndyCar was just another american excuse of rebranding a european sport. You know like Baseball - Cricket, American Football - Rugby. Soccer - Football....IndyCar - F1. Its the place F1 has beens go when things go sideways. "So popular" bless never spat out a drink mid sip before, thought that was purely a comic gag.
I'm confused as to how this will make Indycar grow...
It's easy. Young people stop watching it. Ratings plummet. NBC puts it on peacock, less people watch it. Teams start pulling out of the sport shrinking it even more. The entire Indycar board is fired. Roger sells the Series to Zak Brown. Zak makes it a massive success. see simple
Spoiler: it won’t
It'll speed up It's death
David, the Brazilian community is probably the second bigger in the Oval iRacing community and we are mostly focused on IndyCars. Most brazilian guys grew up watching our drivers in the championship and we have iRacing leagues with prizes, sponsors, teams and people being paid do drive. Without the broadcasts it will be nearly impossible to continue. Not sure if you have some voice on Indycar but the broadcast thing is probably more important than the Indy500 ban. If they allow broadcasts, even without mentioning the name Indycar, it would be a great help for our leagues and the american ones that I'm already seeing in the comments.
Interesting, is it bigger than Formula 1?
This has had a huge impact on our league.
Nobody cares about your league broadcast you don't have to stop it. iRacing has to legally ban broadcasts to protect against the community planning a huge unofficial Indy 500 and then getting sued.
@@Matt18880 Tell that to RaceSpot and the other companies that have been told the can no longer broadcast IR-18, DW-12 and IR-05 events at all. It's not just about the Indy 500. Our organization runs two of those 3 cars.
That's 2 whole series now that overnight that cannot be broadcast. We also hold our own 500's at IMS.
Don't think RSTV is going to risk broadcasting anyone's league events so this clearly isn't just about the official iRacing Indy 500.
The horrible thing that could be happening here as DL speculated is if iRacing truly was trying to get back at IndyCar for this by banning broadcasts in an effort to prevent advertising of any kind for IndyCar. Would hate to think this true but the point of the matter is that for now two series of ours are basically shut down in an instant.
@@LionheartRacingSeries take this with a grain of salt.. but no one is watching esport /league broadcasts..
@@w0rthy390 I mean that's incorrect but that's also your opinion.
@@w0rthy390 I mean only ~300,000 unique viewers a month across Lionheart leagues on ESTV. But yeah, keep saying that😂
If they think their new game will have the same impact the F1 game has they have another thing coming. The more Indycar licensing the better for them so restricting it to one game is a bad idea imo.
That’s exactly what they think, and hope. That’s how they should be thinking. It is pro consumer to not have exclusives but it isn’t pro company. If there is an issue in the game like tires or something else there is one place they can go to and it has to be worked out. They control their license in a more efficient manner and make more money than splitting the deal between multiple studios and then hiring all the support staff to manage their IP.
@@theshovl3r there’s going to be a few more issues than just tires wrong with this new Indycar game I can guarantee that. They’ll be lucky if Motorsport Games is even solvent by the time the stated release date rolls around
@@NewscasterNews4 honestly, it doesn’t matter, iracing is to small for that to matter. Despite the outcome with msg, it was better than iracing 1000x over for the simple fact they would get a cut of sales and it’s user base would not be paying others for the subscription, game, and car. Iracing is to small for any company to actually care.
Great point if anything Indycar should be working on a quick cell phone game. An arcade style fun racing game and the sim game to cover all formats for the people who might show an interest in your sport. To restrict yourself to just the most realistic sim game and expect to beat F1 or really grow your sport doesn't really make a lot of sense. You do need young people to get invested and interested in the sport no matter what format of game can help you get there. I also think they should have Go-Kart tracks at every one of the races on the calender and do a promotion for the kids to meet and spend time with the drivers as a bonus. That's just me what I would do.
@@theshovl3r you are sadly mistaken. This is a huge mistake by Indycar to their most loyal base. they are nowhere NEAR what F1 has built, and they are trying big boy F1 moves, but they are not big boys yet. I love Indycar, but it is in a very fragile position -- their fanbase is mostly weak and fickle. This won't work.
Who knew that having a man born before the 2nd world war started, making major marketing decisions, wasn’t a good idea 🤯🤯
I typically avoid this word but this is just retarded
So funny how when I expressed initial skepticism of Roger Penske buying into the ownership of IndyCar, most people shat on me who responded. Guess who’s having the last laugh now, and I wish I wasn’t.
Roger Penske is turning into Vince McMahon both of them are delusional and live in the past.
@@davidcopeland5450 The main defense of it I kept seeing was “Look at CART!”
Well, yeah. Look at CART. They lost in the end.
@@davidcopeland5450 having a team owner own the series has never sat well with me
IndyCar has never fully recovered from the split and continue to shoot themselves in the foot everytime they gain momentum. I'm not on iRacing but there is no good reason for this partnership to end. The IndyCar game has to be better than Ignition. There's no way it can be worse than that.
I've been a hard-core IndyCar fan for a long time. I really want IndyCar to be as popular as NASCAR is (in terms of U.S. TV ratings). They need to do a better job at gaining attraction from new younger fans. Hopefully "100 Days to Indy" succeeds and is the start to IndyCar's rise in popularity.
NASCAR has a freaking sanctioned esports league on iRacing and IndyCar wonders why nobody can name a single driver or race besides the Indy 500.
Honestly at this point I’m starting to question if IndyCar is even going to survive as a viable series a decade or two down the road, if that. I’ve been trying to give Roger Penske the benefit of the doubt (as skeptical as I was initially) since he bought IndyCar and was initially dealt a crap hand from the pandemic. But at this point he doesn’t have that excuse anymore and frankly I’m beginning to lose patience with him. Sure he’s done some good for the sport, but the stagnation that plagued IndyCar before he took the leadership helm he’s only continued and, in many instances, has worsened IndyCar’s future in an increasing array of areas with this, the hybrid engine debacle, fumbling attracting a third manufacturer, and other things. At this point it’s just an endless meme and whenever IndyCar takes a step forward, they show once again they follow it up taking three or four steps backwards.
Personally I could do a better job at marketing this series you have to spam social media constant posts push e esports make the drivers like celebrities. Indycar has the drivers, the personalities, the tracks, the talent, the drama to be huge.
@@johnnyweaver9946 I follow F1, Indy, and NASCAR. F1 and NASCAR have a huge, engaging social media team, Indy doesn't. I mean, I have to Google the start times to make sure I don't miss a race and that shouldn't happen.
@@worldofradiocontrol10 100 percent
Exactly... great points on social media, etc. The Indycar website is a joke, can't find anything. I go to Laguna Seca every single year for both IMSA and Indycar, and IMSA is promoted so much more, and with a vastly higher level of quality. The IMSA app works great on raceday to keep track of things, with a terrific audio broadcast stream. Indycar is trying to pretend it is competing with F1, and it is not.
in 2 decades motorsport as we know it will be unrecognizable to what we have now . this is the end game .
It's really a shame Indy Car has done this. Considering Motorsports Games is going under.
iRacing did this.....
@doopy the contract with indy car ran out and is not being not renewed due to contract with Motorsport Games.
@@doopy2283 You realize that IndyCar chose not to renew their license with iRacing because their license is going to Motorsport Games.
When will the suits realize that the key to new young fans are video games and diecast cars.
That is hilariously accurate. Literally the two biggest drivers of my love for racing as a kid. Just poor all your marketing dollars into that, IndyCar.
I became a racing fan by buying Racing Champions Nascar and Indycar diecast....in the mid 90s so yes this is indeed true.
Indycar had us in the first half ngl
😂
I mean, I got into IndyCar in the mid 2010s. Given the direction it’s been going so far this decade, that’s exactly how I feel right now. Lmfao
Such a shame they botched this so badly on the IC side.
The new WoO game on consoles is great. Looks good and plays good. That's all they needed to do... partner up with iRacing and make an Indycar version.
Instead, we get vaporware.
Looking forward to the glowing feedback real indy car drivers will give to “Indy Ignition”
Wait, you think it'll actually get finished/released?
@@tomanderson6335 its sarcasm mate
They went from sim to hyper casual. They want the console peeps to pick up a controller and go vroom vroom at the Indy 500. A huge step down to one of the worst to make any type of motorsports game. One step forward and 10 steps back for IndyCar.
There ahould be both as an option, a hardcore sim lile iracong and a simcade like f1 games
Why hasn't David Land been hired by Indycar as Marketing director?
There will be no Indy or Nascar game in 2023. These Execs and Marketing folks high up are completely clueless as to what is going on a MotorSport Games. I can't believe they lasted through the end of 2022. They got some additional funding, but anyone with a half a brain would realize those funds won't last more than a few months to pay salaries, etc... What a mess
As an Indycar fan from Australia since Detroit 1992 (Stefan Johansson's first race) this really is a shot in the arm. It is almost like they don't want to have a series anymore but have something new where they can start from the ground up but don't want it all to become another CART v. IRL debacle.
Signing an exclusive licence with a company that has a poor track record of not only releasing games, but quality games, AND is in such financial strife is such a bad idea. What IndyCar should have done is see how far along Motorsports Games has come along with their product and if it is any good. Then pull out of the deal (or if too difficult legally then not support it) and then let the iRacing/Monster Games team have a go at it. What they have done with World of Outlaws is a great game with really good AI. iRacing has also been improving the AI on the main platform too plus all the time and effort they have made into laser scanning the tracks to make them as realistic as possible. They have even scanned Nashville Street circuit but not released it.
I highly doubt Motorsport games has laser scanned anything especially with their finances, so the cars and tracks will just be fake representations to be made to appear close enough to the real thing.
I will continue to watch and support IndyCar racing as I have not liked F1 since the mid 2000's as technology has gotten too far in the way of actual driver skill, also I don't like NASCAR as they rarely do anything besides ovals.
i'm gonna play devil's advocate and say both parties are equally to blame for this, indycar screwed big time with the exclusivity deal but that wouldn't have been so cut-throat if iracing had taken the drivers criticism better instead of throwing a tantrum
This seems to be an avoidable loss for IndyCar.
To me, this also sparks a bigger concern into how serious can Racing E-sports actually become when license updates threaten the future of scheduled Esports events?
Really don't know what IndyCar can do to get out of the Motorsport games deal but I doubt anyone has faith that a potential IndyCar game will be good if it comes out at all. Marshall Pruett apparently had trouble coming up with a really good answer as to what positives Penske has done since acquiring the series
Not much. Basically, they have to let the game come out and hope it fails to meet contractual agreements.
For a company that hasn't had an official game in nearly 18 years, IndyCar is certainly high on their own supply. iRacing is not IndyCar's enemy. Motorsport Games very well could be.
I would hope that Roger Penske didn't jump into this agreement lightly, but I have no idea if he or the people in his ear know anything about video games. I can respect exclusivity to a certain degree, but a company should have to prove itself before you just hand them your license.
Nah, there just shouldn't be exclusivity. EA Sports had amazing games in the 00s when they had to compete, look at them now that everything is exclusive.
You should have mentioned that someone in ownership group of INDYCAR has very heavy stake in Motorsports Games.
OK? Who is it? A clue or two at least, please.
Who - ?
@@JPKelly-xr7tr Marshall Pruett didn't say, but I'm sure there is a way to find out.
@@tommiles6004 Zak Brown, perhaps? I'm just taking an educated guess, I don't really know.
Indycar: "We’ve got new console game coming out!!"
Motorsports Games: 😎
The part that really boggles my mind is the fact that iRacing JUST released the World of Outlaws console title and by all accounts I've heard it is excellent. Yet IndyCar's genius minds think going with a company that hasn't released half its titles and the ones that did release have been nothing but trash is the way to go. It's just breathtakingly stupid on a level I can't fathom.
at this point i dont even care if the game is trash i just want an indycar game and i will buy it day 1 regardless ... im a console player so i dont have access to all the indycar asseto corsa and rf2 mods.
That's not exactly something to be proud of...
@@commanderclaude8781 you’ll be lucky if Motorsport Games isn’t bankrupt by the time the slated release date rolls around
@@NewscasterNews4 that would make me so happy.
@@commanderclaude8781 so you're fine with every aspect of everyone else's indycar experience being worse because you're too fucking lazy to buy a computer? Thanks good to know. Moron.
The worst thing about this is that iRacing was the best IndyCar Racing game that never officially existed.
If the Indycar game from Motorsport Games sucks just like Nascar Ignition did, I think the community would be outraged. It would be a huge sacrifice without benefit, effectively killing any interest for Indy racing in simracing.
This.
Indycar clearly doesn't get it. Nascar allows iracing to do everything they're doing on the sim and yet, have gained fans. This is how you lose new fans.
As bad as NASCAR is in many other aspects, they really do run circles around Indycar in the marketing department which is sad to see
Not only that, iRacing helps develop stuff for Nascar, for instance, they worked together for the L.A Coliseum, Atlanta repave and Chicago street course. If I remember correctly iRacing even helped some on the Development of the Next Gen car.
I swear IndyCar are trying to make themselves as unknown as possible.
You can blame tony george for that and possibly max mosley and bernie ecclestone acting as grime wormtongue in his and the hulman family's ears promising a F1 race there.
Automobilista devs also stated that There will be no Indycar stuff either for AMS2
Formula USA part 3 was cancelled since the negotiations went sour and mute in November.
Imagine losing a license to Motorsport Games... That's a brave, probably stupid course of action for Indy Car
Oh it will be stupid. You’d think they’d learn from NASCAR not to go with Motorsport Games, wouldn’t you.
I wonder... what if Indycar is doing this because they want to buy out Motorsports Games? If they're in such financial trouble, then why is Indycar so invested in them and not in something like iRacing? It wouldn't make logical sense unless they have a plan for both them and Motorsports Games. I don't know how likely a merger is, but it could happen.
Interesting take, only problem I see with this possibility is that nobody really cares enough to buy an indycar only game to make it viable. On iRacing the official indycar series had a really small draw for most of it's 13 yrs. I dont see the sim racing masses spending even more money to only race Indycar when it has a very small draw on an everything platform like iRacing. The 500 has always been a huge deal that most iRacing members have dedicated a lot of time to. But not really the series.
8:54 why does it not seem like they’ll have any new games? They confirmed Motorsport games is producing their NTT title in the next calendar year did they not?
They’ve made a business choice to make their asset exclusive which is likely as they see it more profitable. This doesn’t seem like so scandalous given there’s very accessible options to compensate. Now whether you those are fiscally responsible we shall see. I think not so much too but protecting their own brand image regardless of their business choices is the least controversial thing about this. Dale has a stated conflict of interest as well so nothing he says is the least bit shocking
[indycar] 'how do we go about sh**ting the bed with our entire fanbase?'
[Motorsport games] 'heres a 60million dollar cheque so we can do nothing with your product and its legacy, future.'
[indycar] 'yes'.
iRacing was borne of a passion for motorsports, something we all share to varying degrees. But with monetary success, corruption can be soon to follow. EA Sports used to take pride in the accuracy of their sports simulations as well. But for me, when iRacing does something to DIMINISH THE VALUE OF CONTENT WE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR, such as this mess, and when a car is no longer offered on it's servers (Radical R8, IR-01 will go the same way as examples), we consumers are owed.
I'm not sure that iracing is the one preventing broadcasting. Although not blameless I'm sure, I would like to see or read some proof on that.
For now, it will become part of iRacing's Broadcast Policy (and specifically affect TV-style broadcasts) on January 1 2023 - but they'd only be taking this step because of licensing obstacles
Motorsports Games? That 💩show of what they put out for NASCAR? A definitive HELL NO to any game they try and push out that is just 💩💩💩💩. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
It's weird to think about how it was as a kid in the 80's by comparison. On the Nintendo there was a Little Al game, a Michael Andretti game, and Danny Sullivan Indy Heat. Then a Nigel Mansell Indy game on SNES, Andretti racing on Playstation, and so on. Were they exceptional, of course not. But they were games where you could race an Indycar. Now the series just puts all their eggs in one basket and when the company falls apart, Indycar is completely screwed.
indycar has made a huge mistake. motorsport games has done nothing to make me feel that the indycar game will even be released let alone be any good. look at the state of the attempts so far.
If MSG ever release a game it will I expect be a buggy mess, and I worry about the future of rFactor since they also own that studio...
There is no indicar game coming in 2023. Unless they are keeping everything super wrapped up for some reason, You don't find people in Motorsport games that claim they are working on this title for instance. It is vaporware. They haven't done the ground work to add these cars to rFactor 2 let alone a full game release.
Do you even know what you are talking about? The IR-18 car and a number of Indycar tracks have already been added to rFactor 2 throughout 2022 as DLC. Motorsport Games seem to be doing with the Indycar licence what they did with the BTCC one; buy the licence, tease a standalone game based on said licence and end up scrapping said game in favour of adding said licenced content to rFactor 2 as DLC.
@@StevePhoenix the only thing shown by motorsport games as part of this deal so far was 1 render. That is what I mean.
We'll see how long this lasts, MSG have about 3 months worth of capital left, so they are bound to collapse.
9:58 nascar knows that someone streaming a nascar irace is attention on nascar and exposure of nascar. Indycar……once again……shot themselves in the foot
It's bad that this deal is happening. With Motorsports Games financial and leadership issues I really do not understand how they are still able to pull this off. I have not seen anyone saying anything good about NASCAR Ignition from them and I've tried rFactor2 and do not care for it but I see the virtual INDY 500 going the same direction of the 24 Hours of LeMans with it being hosted on rFactor2 as that title seems to be what id keeping them afloat.
I bet Motorsport games forced them to back out of their partnership with iRacing.
Baffling to me. Especially with the shady stuff swirling around Motorsport Games in the last year or so. Not only is IndyCar walking away from easy, valuable and successful marketing...but clearly they aren't doing very thorough due diligence on their partners.
You’d think they’d learn from NASCAR’s horrible decision to go to Motorsport Games.
The words Motorsport Games and realistic don't belong in the same sentence unless there is a "is not" between the two
I’m 37 yrs old. I’ve been a fan of auto racing since I was 4yrs old. I loved watching Indycar, back when it was the PPG Indycar series, and seeing my favorite driver Michael Andretti in the infamous white and black Kmart Havoline car. I hadn’t played a fun indycar game since Newman Haas racing on PS1, and Cart World series(yeah, the Sony game, I’m that old lol). The main thing that drew me to iRacing(when I had a gaming PC before I had to sell it due to the pandemic), was racing the Indycars. This was a legitimate guy punch because I enjoyed watching the iRacing indycar content on youtube(which led me to @David Land’s channel). Motorsport games hasn’t given me any confidence that a good game will be made, based on the NASCAR effort alone. I pray this can be salvaged
So, more 10 years playing Indycar 2002 from Codemasters. iRacing was the only decent implementation of indycars on a non Indycar game.
Said it on another vid, but waiting for MSG to somehow strongarm NASCAR into an exclusive deal, because screw customers
Someone found the SEC filings for the NASCAR deal and the NASCAR legal team carved out an explicit exception in the MSG deal for iRacing.
Why Indycar didn't do this, I do not know.
Say what you will about some of NASCARS decisions, but they are not stupid
@@TalladegaNight At least not AS stupid as IndyCar.
@@nihontiger Did not know that, because of where I am I can't actually get to the SEC ilings due tou GDPR or something. Then again knowing the shady shit MSG pulls I'm not putting it past them to have tried for 110% exclusive and got shot down by NASCAR though. NASCAR is at least a litle competent in one thing. Now if they'd fix up the rest of their decision making...
I'm just deeply, eeply cynical o MSG. If they can do this with Indycar. Where do they raw the line, do they try with BTCC, with Ausie Supercars, with IMSA, IMSA? WEC and so on. THe sooner MSGM go uner, IMO, the better. Not just or the licensing fiasco, but their overall atitude and shady dealings though.
rFactor 2 still has Indycar. It's a great car and also on sale now ^^
Thanks for doing a video on this issue. I got into IndyCar because of iRacing, so very disappointed right now.
Motorsports Games will either ruin the future of sim racing or help it. After these contracts are finally up these race series that got burned my no longer want to deal with sim racing and stop all together. Or perhaps they’ll stay away from exclusives deals in the future and offer the IP to anyone who pays.
iRacing Cart series please!
Let it go. Bring in a series with historic indy cars- 60s, 70s. Heck with the new crap.
It’s because there is new licensed game coming out in 2023 produced by Rfactor it promises to be good 👍
The worst thing to ever happen to Indy Car - Roger Penske
Isn’t INDYCAR going to Motorsport Games to start a new game. Ooof I’d rather have INDYCAR go to EA Sports and that’s saying a lot. Motorsport Games has destroyed the NASCAR Ignition franchise.
And watch in the end, MSG goes belly up before releasing the Indycar games so Penske & company will be crawling back to iRacing on their hands & knees begging to let back on the platform.
they should talk to EA again about making the games once more since F1 by codemasters is doing well
@@Bitterman5868 I assume you know EA bought out Codemasters nearly 2 years ago for $1.2bn. I suppose EA might take the deal on if they think there's a big enough market and IndyCar don't get greedy with a licensing fee.
I struggle to find reasons to care about Indy car in 2023.
I was born around the corner from Clint Brawner in Phoenix Arizona. Clint Brawner was Mario Andretti's car builder and chief mechanic. Needless to say I was raised an Andretti fan.
I first learned of iracing when real Indycar drivers were Youtubing races during the pandemic. I had no idea how for racing "games" had come. I signed up for iracing a little over a year ago and have enjoyed every step of the way.
I have learned to like road racing in any and all cars iracing has to offer. It certainly is a punch in the gut that Roger has made this decision, but in all honesty, I will not go out and buy a game that is exclusive to Indycar. I have a blast running any open wheeler on iracing, and most other classes as well. I enjoy designing my cars too.
And with what is starting to look like an eleventh team on the f1 grid being an Andretti team, I will more than likely pay far more attention to f1 than I will Indycar.
Series (and every sport for that matter) should require developers to make two games before they can get exclusive rights. Have them invest that money they're spending to get exclusivity on actually making a good game
I have a feeling that iRacing almost banning Scott Dixon for criticizing iRacing’s Indycar might’ve had an effect on this. I also wonder what happened to the Automoblitsa (I probably spelled it wrong) 2 game deal with the Indycar
All they had to do was include the circuits that are still not available in the service, update the cars and sell all of that as a bundle. They already have the physics engine, the graphics, and the player base... perhaps adding a "simplified" version for a broader audience wouldn't hurt. What a disaster.
I can't wait for IndyCar Ignition or some other crap from Motorsport games. I seriously question the intent behind this deal. Motorsport games must be giving them a hell of deal or making some kind of promises that we all know they cannot keep.
I drive A.I races...is this still possible with all tracks and dallara-18?
62yrs old, retired financial trader, INDYCAR fan first NASCAR fan second, NOT a video game player ever:
Mr. Land this is exceptional explanation presentation from both a sports fan gamer prospective and a business point of view, awesome work!
This is sad for me. The whole reason I have even followed IndyCar, mostly through this channel, is because of driving the IndyCar on iracing. Particularly the Indy 500.
I hope there is some sort of 500 race at Indy this year because it was a lot of fun.
It's so sad to see both of our big series continue to dig their own graves.
Well said David
Whole situation is crazy - IndyCar have lost official presence on the worlds largest online racing sim for a console game that hasn't come out. Strange.
I'm getting 1996 indycar split vibes with this decision......sickens me to see this happening been an indycar fan since the 90s and this reminds me of certain parallels to the split....I finally got to run the Iracing 500 last year...what an experience....and to lose that now...sucks so much just like in real life...indycar could step to forefront with all the problems nascar has but once again they make ass mind-boggling decision that'll probably hurt the series once again
To be honest, if Motorsport Games and the new Indy game flops/dies. Then Indy tries to go back to iRacing. I wouldn't be surprised if iRacing says "nope, get lost" after having that long of a relationship between the two, just to lose all rights basically to a competitor. I don't think i'd blame iRacing either.
Shame on Roger Penske and IndyCar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Motorsport Games are a bunch of scammers
TBH I don't think this warranted a 21 min vid but I respect the grind for that $$$.
IndyCar messed up royally by not doing their due diligence with Motorsport Games. It's easy to google Dmitry Kozko's name and discover a history of lawsuits & grossly unprofitable companies run into the ground. I was tipped off about this in the spring by what appears to be a MSGM employee and it surprised me how everything was right out in the open.
The fact that nobody at a professional sports league could use Google, when even McDonalds does a more thorough background check on new applicants, is a huge cause for concern.
The World of Outlaws sanction their own Sprint Car and Late Model iracing series. The races are streamed on RUclips and Dirtvision and pay $10,000 to win the championship. You can race your way into a full time spot and if you finish high enough in the points you guarantee a spot in the following season. The best race at IMS every year is the BC39.
Sooo where will the big race be?
I'm not someone who plays iRacing, nor do I have any interests (thanks to Austin Ogonoski showing how corrupt iRacing is) but this is a massive disappointment from IndyCar. I have no idea what Roger Penske and the rest of the ownership group are thinking with this move, especially since Motorsports Games is a scam company that will likely go bankrupt.
I never would've imagined that something like this could happen. It goes to show that nothing is ever permanent and makes me wonder if they could loose other relationships in the future.
Won't be much longer until they issue a cease and desist order to iRacing to ban the cars themselves.
I think the community would have been a bit more accepting of this decision, if the developer was Codemasters, Polyphony, Turn 10, etc.
The fact that they chose Motorsport is the definition of stupidity
Somehow, every new Nascar game the make is worse than the previous one. It is well known that those people are an embarrassment to racing games as a whole.
Sorry for the rant, as soon as I heard "exclusivity with Motorsport Games" I got pissed.
Its kind of a shame really, I 1st discovered Indycar racing from way back on the N64 with Indy Racing 2000, because of that game I know names of some of those late 90's drivers like Greg Ray, Kenny Brack, Scott Goodyear, Sam Schmidt, Mark Dismore, Billy Boat. But with Indycar cutting away from iRacing and the shambles that Motorsport Games is, it seems like Indycar is going the wrong direction all together.
Had to watch this video on 144p to make sure I couldn't see a non-Motorsports Games product.
@David Land "On November 9, 2022, Motorsport Games announced that it had effected a 1-for-10 reverse stock split that became effective at 12:01 a.m. ET on November 10, 2022, and that Company’s Class A common stock would begin trading on a split-adjusted basis at the opening of the market on November 10, 2022. The purpose of the reverse stock split was to raise the per share trading price of the Company Class A common stock to continue its listing on the Nasdaq Capital Market." Cause you mentioned in the video its stock share was worth pennies, not quoting but I just looked at their listing and it was like $2.33 at the time of this post. Which is why I've quoted the above post from their website. I don't see a quality game coming out, if there even is one at all based on the info I've found in the last 20 minutes online.
Ah yes and will we get an Indycar game from Motorsport games. No. Benefit is that hopefully this is short termed and Indycar can get out of the contract apologize to iracing and hope they resign Indycar
I was desperately waiting on hearing from you on this
I have zero faith that Indycar can find anyone to make a sim that will come anywhere close to what iRacing can produce at the moment.