How Motorsport Games Keeps Getting WORSE | NASCAR Game “Delayed” Until 2024
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- The dumpster fire we know as Motorsport Games continues to disappoint NASCAR fans as once again we got bad news from the company. One of the biggest of these was reporting a net loss of $36 million in 2022 alone. Yet, time and time again they manage to skate by both on luck and seemingly getting money out of nowhere. So today we are going to look more into how Motorsport Games has not only continued to screw over NASCAR fans, but also IndyCar fans. How Motorsport Games keeps getting worse!!! NASCAR Game “Delayed” Until 2024
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What does the future of NASCAR gaming look to you?
Roblox
Dead
Fan Games.
Iracing
Bleak, very, very bleak…
And we wonder why NASCAR is falling behind on the 18-49 demographic…
Seriously. The games are how I got into NASCAR.
I’d say maybe 18 down they are failing I see people between those ages at the races
NASCAR Kart Racing and NTG:11 and NTG:IL are what frankly kept me hooked to NASCAR in 2010, 2011 and 2012, after first watching in 2010.
It’s because it’s a niche interest in an ever expanding universe of choices.
IndyCar is even more dire. 😬
It is such bullshit that we can’t get a great NASCAR game outside of the product in iRacing. The recent world of outlaws game has been holding me over
Same, at least that's a step up from the srx series, can't say the same for ignition because all I've seen of it is videos, and that's all I need to see
There are some rumors that the Dirt to Daytona remake is gonna happen but it's not confirmed yet
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@@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet dirt to Daytona was one of my favorites growing up, same with the thunder series and rumble
Try BeamNG there’s plenty of NASCAR mods and NASCAR online servers to play on
I think Monster Games will gladly return to NASCAR as soon as NASCAR gets out of this hell hole of a contract. They've gotten so much better since Heat, it's insane, I think they can make a quality NASCAR game now with iRacing's help
I mean, the World of Outlaws game has been the only motorsport game I've been actively playing on console since it came out last year, and I love it, amazing gameplay, real grassroots feel to it, hopefully they come back and we can give Monster a 3rd chance
Agreed man WOO is easily one of the best console racers you can get on the market today. The AI and the amount of accuracy in terms of how you are supposed to drive the car is amazing. I wonder what a nascar game by monster with Iracing's help would look like
Not even gonna lie that nascar heat 4 and 5 were solid games and i think monster can make another solid game
@@nascartoday8849 i still play heat 5. Running full races at Talladega with the ai at max diffculty is actually fun and challenging
Motorsport Games didn't make WoO, that was Monster who made the Heat games. When Motorsport Games got the nascar game contract, they bought the rights to the Heat games......hence why they were able to "update" Heat 5 with next Gen cars when they didn't make that game. So not only has Motorsport Games Fucked up their own game, they also Fucked up Heat 5 as well. When they managed to allow the Heat servers to go down, I finally switched to iRacing and I'm so fkn glad I did. Done w these clowns, but I do hope they get it right for everyone else.
@MsMusiclove00 oh, I know they didn't make the masterpiece that is WoO, but seeing how much Monster has improved since the Heat Days, I wouldn't mind them bringing back Heat. I mean what else do we REALISTICALLY have?
It'll take something pretty darn magical like NASCAR Thunder 2003-2004 in order to get me to have hope in NASCAR console gaming again.....
Here’s an easy fix, stop buying it. Stop giving them money. Wait for reviews before you buy. Im still on Heat 4 because I refused to pay for a crap game again and Heat 5 reviews weren’t good enough to earn my money, so Ignition sure as hell didn’t get me to buy. Let them go bankrupt. Do not support them financially. They spit in your face and it’s up to you to decide if you’re going to wipe it away or swallow it.
this guy is smart
I didn't get F1 22 because I wanted to see what people said about it since EA bought it. Now if only I had the same fortitude when it comes to football... Curse my football addiction 😭
Heat 5 was actually good just heat 4 but with some slight bonuses lol
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It will take another NASCAR Thunder 2003 -2005 Chase For The Cup for their reputation to go up at this rate.
I wish EA takes NASCAR again. They have been doing great F1 and Rally games since acquiring Codemasters.
I would go back to playing that game before even considering buying another newer NASCAR game
@@thetechfromheaven That is only because codemasters were already doing F1 and Rally, we'll have to wait a bit for the EA-ness to set in
I don't think NASCAR realizes how important their official video game is to their popularity.
I originally got into NASCAR through the NASCAR Thunder games and there are many others like me. And I know a significant portion of the F1 fan base sticks around because the F1 games are so good. NASCAR really needs a good video game if they want a younger audience.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the pre-order take, it's the single largest reason for the downfall of modern gaming imo, NASCAR or otherwise. Companies are enabled by pre-order culture, why finish the game by release when everyone has already bought it ahead of time? The day a large majority of us stop pre-ordering games full stop, I fully believe we'd begin to see gaming releases increase in quality.
Here’s the thing though as someone who analyzes sales generally around 5% to 15% percent of people pre order situation which isn’t enough to make profit. The real reason why game are being pushed out before their ready is simply because of patches a game at launch an a game months later can be very different experience launching a game doesn’t mean anything any. Before patches once a game was on disk or cartridge that’s it. Now it doesn’t matter.
@@rexthewolf3149 You make a great point, the digitization of gaming has definitely played a huge part for sure, the idea of getting anything out at all and just updating/fixing it later is a huge piece of the puzzle. Live service seems to be the norm now.
@@acrylic51extra it’s not even live service titles. Being able to patch games post launch allows developers to add new content a fixes problems. You don’t want to got back to the days of having 5 versions of street fighter two. But that ability to patch games can be abused.
Honestly NASCAR games have more potential than any other genre, and of all the Motorsports in the world NASCAR has the best product to make a game with, and yet we haven't had a good game in at least a decade and a half.
100%
Indycar would be great for a game. But they did the same shit as nascar and thought exclusivity was a great idea especially with a failing company
@@andrewsurowiec80 The problem that IndyCar has is the fact that formula 1 cars are similar and that series has way more momentum right now. I feel like indycar would struggle in the grand scheme of things to get a huge amount of popularity considering formula 1. NASCAR has no competition in stock car racing.
I’d say 14 and 15 were very good games, they were just pretty bare bones.
@@hiddenjocelyn1088 F1 doesn't have much momentum at all. 22 is pretty frickin bad. Hopefully 23 is better
What I find is ridiculous is that they're waiting until the NASCAR playoffs to release a 2023 update. Why the hell are we waiting until the end of the season to release that season's update? Honestly this company is an absolute joke. J-O-K-E
I have no hope for a good nascar game in the future
Nothing is going to beat Iracing since Nascar is a co operator and Sponsor for Iracing.
Saying they gave the 22 update for free was like something completely new but every company has done free updates for content but if you had to pay no one will pay
Do these investors just throw money at everything? Im shocked they dont at least check the stock price for MSG, the investors are almost as silly as the company
They aren’t going to get much better as every big racing developer has their own products they want to develop. F1 was smart to partner with codemasters when they did as the f1 games they make at just a fundamental to the studio’s identity as their own original titles. Unless their will to spend a lot of money to wiggle their way in to ea or Microsoft bubble this is the best they can do.
I'm gonna compare Motorsports Games to Rovio:
Rovio removed "Rovio Classics: Angry Birds" from the app store since it performed better than their newer titles (which to me that decision is still complete bs), but their CEO and community managers are engaging with fans and the community on ways to bring back more beloved games from back in the day.
Motorsports Games on the other hand has a shady owner with bills shoved up his ass engaging in Russian ponzi schemes. Dmitry Kozko is a criminal, and he deserves to be locked up for life not only for the crimes he's committed, but for also betraying NASCAR and their audience. It's like they secretly want the sport to not grow and fail.
At this point if EA got the license back and they made another NASCAR game, even if it was filled to the brim with micro transactions and loot boxes, it would be better than anything Motorsport games could crap out on their best days, especially considering they’d at least give us a game.
Sadly is tru
It really wouldn't, EA can't make a game. The F1 games have only gotten worse since EA bought Codemasters
You can tell how much they care in that video call. There is so much enthusiasm and care in that totally non-read script. Plus, he mentions the generously free update given to us peasants getting screwed over. I feel so bad for anyone who has ever given a hard earned dime to this game
Drink every time things get worse for motorsport games
Rockstar games adding the race truck a few weeks ago makes gta more of a nascar game than what we’ve had since 2015 lmao
NASCAR Heat 4 and 5 were great. Just needed updated schemes and new game modes
I actually liked nascar 2015. I didn't love it, but I didn't mind playing it.
But I agree the older games were amazing. Especially the games that had dozens of tracks the cup cars didn't go to. I grew up literally right down the street from Nazareth speedway and loved racing at it on my nascar games as a kid.
15 was really good driving wise. It glitched and didmt have much to it. But it raced good. The last fun high horsepower racing game imo.
Hi from Norway, i started watching Nascar races recently (2007/2008) , but my understanding of how difficult pack racing really is ,i learned when i tested a nascar game a couple of years back. Got way more respect for the drivers tru gaming, and to the engineering behind set up car to different tracks in a way tv screens can not teach me, and as retired i enjoy gaming and Nascar as my two favorite hobbies. The future: no one really knows, until i got a copy of a new game, i consider it as a scam until proven wrong. I dont trust devs, they only care about their fat paychecks. Greed kill art as always.
The PGA is about 2 video games. Lego even has a racing game coming out with 2K. NASCAR and IndyCar, the 2 top racing series in America will have 0.
and Indycar has not had a game, at all, since mid-2004. think about that for a moment. Indycar, has not had a licenced, official game since 2004, and goes with this ass hole company that everyone with brain cells knows absolutely cannot be trusted, for their first official licenced game in basically 20 years. i don't even know how to phrase in english, the extent to how angry i am with Indycar at this.
Also don't listen to RUclipsrs that get the game early because more than likely they're being paid to say good things about the game and to sell the game as better than what it is. RealRadman made a career out of it, and now is whining that his channel is gonna die because MSG fooled him so badly, even though he could have possibly helped stop this from getting this far if he was just honest
You're spot on with every point in this video. NASCAR needs to do everything possible to get out of this contract!
2:18 He sounds like what you would expect to hear play on the phone while you are on hold awaiting to speak with a representative
I’ve turned from a lifelong Nascar guy to a F1 guy. The games are better and it’s not close and even the racing is more intriguing. It’s shorter, better commentary and feels bigger. I still somewhat pay attention to nascar but in my age range of the 20’s a good video game can draw so many in and nascar has no clue how many people it can turn off. F1 21 turned me and I don’t see me turning back. Love the video though man
In my opinion the decrease in fans in younger fans is 1/3 broadcasts, 1/3 games, and 1/3 the amount of small hometown tracks that have closed down (which gets people into racing)
7:43 yeah F1 22 isn’t good (from what I heard) be ways it’s EA. EA Sports and Codemasters are together.
I heard Automobilista 2 is a good sim game nowadays. But NR2003 is KING!
And Forza Motorsports series is God.
It's crazy to think that almost 30 years ago, Nascar Racing by Papyrus came out. I wish they would just try to make the RACING part of the game better, add new/updated tracks, and keep paint schemes updated. All the extra fluff isn't that important to me.
This mess isn't about Motorsport Games anymore, it's about Nascar.
Nascar helped create this situation where a single developer could have a stranglehold on an entire fan base. The reason we aren't getting a new Nascar game for at least a few years is because of the exclusivity that Nascar hands out with their license.
Nascar has been dead silent on anything regarding the video game side of the business, and don't seem aware of the negative effect having nothing but garbage for the past decade is having on their brand.
It seems like they never even bothered to make sure they had some kind of "out clause" in their licensing deal. Clearly Motorsport Games has already proven that they are never going to deliver anything worth playing, so their silence pretty much shows you that they are stuck without any options except for a possible court battle.
Motorsport Games is just the latest in a long line of developers who have failed to deliver a satisfactory game that represents Nascar, so Nascar should have been more careful in striking their deal with this latest developer.
damn this sucks. i'm a die-hard fan but i am in the below 18 graphic, and it's so hard to try to get my friends into the sport because of this. i want to be able to talk nascar with my friends, and if we don't get a good game, it won't happen. overall, i hate how MG is doing this.
Only way I can get them into NASCAR in any way is through roblox which is pretty sad
Here’s an idea: let iRacing make a single-player, mod-friendly NASCAR game.
I don't know why this wasn't the plan all along, iRacing was built from the ashes of Papyrus both in terms of staff as well as the source code coming straight from NR2003.
A modern reworking of NR2003 would be the perfect nascar game. Literally the only bad things about NR2003 are graphics, the dirt physics not being good because it wasn’t made with dirt in mind and how there’s only 4 physics presets for cars so sometimes it can feel a bit repetitive
And the AI not being able to maneuver around slower lapped traffic or being able to intelligently change its lane to pass the cars in front of it
The developers of NR2003 went on to make Iracing.
@@apaceofchange94 or defending their position especially on plate tracks.
For now, I think we could do alot as a community to get iRacing to make a Cars Tour game. Maybe even ARCA
This is a failure and should be enough for NASCAR and INDY CAR to cut ties with thus company.
It is so unacceptable and costing these series hundreds of millions of dollars.
From team sponsors who would forever be on a video game for exposure, money lost for the series it huge.
All I know is the reason Nascar hasn't pulled out yet is the current owner still has stocks in MSG for *some* ungodly reason
Just picked up Heat 5 the other day, that’ll do well for now. Would love for Thunder to come back with features like 2k
NASCAR Thunder 2003, it's the last year you get to experience racing back to the yellow flag.
You actually have to drive through the wrecks.
It was the last time on console that when a yellow flag it thrown you actually have to dodge the chaos and surive.
It is such a great feeling to make the right moves and come through a huge crash and secure a good finish or win!
I mean they even do a replay of the caution of you want to see what happened.
NR2003 also lets drivers to race back to the line. Kinda wished they brought it back real life.
@Razor ya that was great.
A yellow flag happens and instead of having to miss the incident in front of you your screen goes black and you're In a line making decisions about pitting.
This proves Nascar and INDY CAR don't care about their fans either.
People are begging you to take their money just put a game out.
Crazy how the F1 games are now in the clutches of EA and still are more polished than the NASCAR games, even with the 2022 entry being filled with bugs, missing features and microtransactions.
Edit: “don’t pay money for faulty games you barely see any community do that”
Current day call of duty: allow us to introduce ourselves
I wish we could go back in time. To early 2000's. When, NASCAR gaming was at its peak.
Not only they were better. They don't have DLC, specifically paid (which I've complain about it since the PS3).
Its called Iracing now. They were the originators of Iracing.
i've wanted a sim-like indycar game with the full schedule and all the teams for the longest time, and when it was very first announced, i was obviously extremely happy. but after nascar 21, if we ever actually do get an indycar game from these "devs", it will 100% be absolutely terrible
Why does everyone hate the Heat games? They were pretty good especially Heat 4
because everyone jumped on a bandwagon. they are fun games to play at times and run way better then 21. I play rivals due to the fact it can funner to play and not have to worry about a glitch fudging up my career save
It'll be a great day when Motorsport Games finally collapses and Kozko and his gang is locked up.
I can't even tell if we're better or worse off than Madden or FIFA fans.
@@Why..... you lot are still better off then us Indycar fans, who literally have not had an official licence game in almost 20 years. i hope MSG goes bankrupt sooner rather then later, because it's forces nascar and Indycar to (hopefully) find a developer willing to develop a good game that does the sport justice.
Racing games -and games in general- peaked in the mid 2000s and it has been downhill from there with exception of indie titles.
last good big racing game was honestly Racedriver Grid 2, back in 2013. it's been full down hill from there.
@@DW98rosy Grid Autosport? Every Forza game? Assetto Corsa?
@@RazorSharp75426 i'll give you a pass on grid autosport and AC, since actual effort was put into those games. every forza game made after 2012 however, has been shithole. (except fh2 xbox one version, and fm7 i only remotely liked because it had the dallara IR-18 Indycar but, it still was not very good of a game)
I mean, I remember when sports games in general used to be good. It's not just a NASCAR problem. But I will say, if someone managed to make a good Nascar game, that would do a LOT in the sports video game market, as well as encouraging young fans to start watching Nascar. But it's likely we won't see that for a while.
i bet i can make a better game than these motorsport game fuckers, i have unity installed!
Nascar game back then: realistic physics, effort and great mechanics
Nascar games now: ha ha. Funi cars go bye bye in da void
I could see NASCAR getting money to iRacing for them to purchase motorsports games and do what iRacing has done with the world of outlaws.
Nascar hasn't had a good console game in a long time. I really hope that this changes, because I really miss playing them. I'd like them to bring back the gameplay that we were accustomed to back in the early 2000's. Heck, even the late 2000's. Some of the games in the last few years have been dumpster-worthy to say the least.
Plus, how are they holding up to their end of the "contract" when they're not producing the game that they were paid for?!
I’d like to see EA get another shot at a NASCAR game, I feel like with they could make a good game with the resources they have.
I smell a lawsuit brewing. It'd be better than the current gaming product
NASCAR games in general are on the verge of being pulled off life support, if they aren't already dead.
Replay the old games. Eutechnyx NASCAR, 2003-2005 EA NASCAR, Heat games,
I think NASCAR sues to get out of the contract at this rate. There's no new game coming out this year, probably nothing in 2024.
NASCAR never fails to disappoint.
Fucking Garry's Mod or Roblox are less buggier for hosting NASCAR races than the current titles we have at this point.
Giving a company that's never made a videogame a long term deal shows how stupid the Nascar Ownership is.
Wait to see how the videogame is before you give that kind of deal.
I never though I would say this after NASCAR 09, but I really wish EA takes the NASCAR license again. They have been putting good stuff with the F1 and Rally games since they purchased Codemasters, I'm sure they know how and have the resources to put up a solid masterpiece of NASCAR game.
Nope crazy pathetic scenario.
The F1 games aren’t all that great even before EA purchased Codemasters
I am a huge motorsports fan, I go to daytona and Sebring as much as I can. I respect the difficulty of driving at nearly 200mph sometimes over for hours on end, but for most people it's just boring. I don't see how a video game changes that, if people find it boring to watch, why would they spend $70 on a new game?
I do not see NASCAR accepting no release in 2023 during their 75th anniversary
We just need to go back to Monster games plain and simple. They can put out games on time and good games simple.
I gotta say, Motorsport Games has been like Ellie Goulding, and they have let the money burn, burn, burn, burn.
But don't worry. Help is on the way. Motorsport Games will shut down, there will be a lawsuit, someone will buy the license, and NASCAR gaming will be revived. Mark my words.
My first NASCAR game was a roblox game with vision lag cars at Kentucky speedway from 2018.
I suspect that NASCAR and/or IndyCar will find a way to declare Motorsports in breach of contract and work out a settlement, or they will work with a publisher to buy out the deal. Motorsports' endgame might be to be bought out of the deals now.
the only 3 racing "games" i play anymore are iracing when i'm trying to be serious, forza motorsport 7 when i want to race hard with friends, wreckfest "clean" lobbies when im just trying to smile.
So that Heat 5 2022 DLC is never happening is it? Be an easy cash grab for motorsport games as it seems to be the game everyone decides to play
Gaming Company busts: Motorsport Games
I’ve started saving for iRacing at this point. It’s really expensive, but it’s not in a downward spiral.
For me, my rank of series I enjoy is 1: Le Mans/IMSA 2:F1 3:NASCAR #4 Indy, and I do love each one, and NASCAR is quickly rising back to where it use to be for me with the adding of more road courses.. The fact that Motorsports Games is DESTROYING the gaming side of 3 of my favorite things in the world pisses me off.
I never thought I would say this but can NASCAR just give the license to EA? Motorsports Games is a terrible studio who hasn’t released a single decent game.
Some of us fans and content creators have even started making mods for other racing games on PC, some people work on roblox games, some work on BeamNG maps or skins, and all these fan passion projects are better than anything Motorsport Games have put out
Challenge Idea for future nascar game💡
: a challenge where u play ad Ricky Bobby and win the talladega race where u race, crash and ACTULLY GET OUT THE CAR and run and keep ur energy good and beat the green guy(I fucking forgot his name💀) and if u win u get both the ME and Bread flame paint scheme and also Nascar, Cars, Days of Thunder ect movie challenges to win old school paint schemes, also it'll be cool playing as Dale Earnhearth Sr and wining the daytona 500 and getting his paint scheme
Of course, they lost money. They aren't putting out a product to sell and make a profit.
Not only does the racing suck but the damage model is atrocious every year.
Ice, I would actually argue that this deal falls apart as soon as nascar finds someone who would be willing to take over the franchise. Mainly because there’s got to be something in the agreement that it has to be attracting some sort of revenue towards the sport… and with how inept Motorsports has been to this point, I’d be willing to bet that NASCAR has much better lawyers if need be.
I haven’t played a NASCAR game since Heat 1, when it felt like a 20 year old reskinned game.
NASCAR is screwed. They were told by a lot of fans who to go with, and they went with the obviously horrible developers…
I still have my NASCAR 21 ignition shirt... Can't wait for it to become either a meme or ridiculously valuable
Heat 5 was okay but my biggest gripe is no all star races and no duels for the 500
All we need is the new tracks and cars and we can mod heat 5 for years
The forza add on was the last good nascar video game experience. The EA 07-09 games were the last great full console games.
1999 CART Flag to Flag is the last decent "Indycar" game with road/street courses. And..... it's only on the Dreamcast. (Fun though).
none of the bigger companies want to make a NASCAR game because they don't sell well at all and probably never will sell all that well. it takes A LOT of money and effort these days to make a game and there won't be any return on a NASCAR game, so this is what we get. a second rate company that will make the games for less with lesser quality.
Let's be honest, the last good NASCAR Games came in the form of NASCAR Thunder
I have a hot take. The best NASCAR experience since 07 was the NASCAR DLC for Forza Motorsport 6. With no 40 car feild (might have still been 43 at the time), no dynamic pit stops, and no cautions, it was still better than the Eutechnics (probably spelled wrong), HEAT, and Ignition games. Solid physics on a controller, serviceable on a wheel, great visuals, the paint booth and marketplace, and the ability to modify your car to get that 4th Gen high horse power. A fucking DLC for a console exclusive racer was better than the official games.
At least somebody like me that plays iRacing on a regular basis can be glad that they didn’t get the full exclusivity license like what they did with INDYCAR.
I bought 21 at half price when a ton of updates had been completed. It's ok and usually fun while being visually nice. It's just a shame how it looks versus how it plays/is just void of the typical Nascar game play. I keep hoping they take a step forward, but we're not there yet.
I then bought Heat 5 and have been playing it since.
All I heard when that robot voice dude was talking was those fish in spongebob that just made fart noises when they talked
I do not think that MSG will even survive this year let alone 2029. The future of NASCAR console gaming in my opinion will rest on the shoulders of whoever ever buys out MSG when they end up going bankrupt. It could be someone good like iRacing/Monster Games or another grift similar to MSG. The success of the NASCAR event on Jailbreak (Roblox) shows that there is a demand for a good NASCAR game.
The superspeedways are unplayable and the ai dumps me 24/7 on intermediates.
Man Motorsport Games sucks… I supported them without any knowledge and I’m sick of it. Thank goodness I’m playing iRacing, I love it. Speaking of iRacing, since they bought Monster Games, and the new World of Outlaws game is actually good, maybe they can buy Motorsport Games and fix the whole company and make better games. That would be great!
You know NASCAR gaming is screwed when people are asking EA to make a NASCAR game
It still doesn't make sense though. EA won't do good with nascar. Pfft
It seems like they are struggling financially, hopefully they just go bankrupt soon and save everyone the trouble of trying to buyout or otherwise get the contract back
Something like this is just so frustrating so fed up w nascar gaming
Its not just indycar or nascar. Dont forget btcc and le mans. MSG are killing the industry. Its bad when people are calling for EA to step up
Not to mention the missing 2022 NASCAR heat 5 dlc that was delayed and is now missing.
Honestly the last NASCAR game I enjoyed was Chase for the Cup. After 2008 I gave up completely.
If we had Codemasters we'd be in much better shape
Codemasters is EA now.
not really tbh
Not really
@@ThatDamnDoughboythe newest F1 game is still very good. Regardless of EA involvement.
@@Warthog32695 its still a copy paste game.
As someone who still actively league races on heat 5 I just hope they can keep the servers on.
It'd be nice if Dale Jr. called out Motorsport Games and NASCAR. He only called out IndyCar in December. If people like him are not going to say anything, it makes things harder to improve. But we should let iRacing, Turn 4 Studios, Polyphony Digital, and KUNOS-Simulazioni know that we would like to see NASCAR stock cars and IndyCar cars in their games with lots of customization options.
Still playing heat 4 from time to time but may have to dig out the ole PS2 for 03-07 where all the nostalgic fun is