Love this video. Even as a resident of Canning Town and a life long hammer, i learned a lot from this video. There's always going to be that rivalry but was good to see it putting aside for a more important common cause. Respect to the video creator 🙌
Good video. Major omission though is the General Strike of 1926. Surrey and India Docks mostly Millwall then Royal Docks mostly West Ham. One set of do kers supported the strike ans another didn't. Not sure which way around it was. Caused some tension at the time which played out in the derby matches.
I started rooting for West Ham this season since. This was a great and informative video which enlightened me on the lore between the rivalry. Thank you
@No Chance Would maybe be okay if my tax wasn't wasted on fixing these twats. Start a fight club if you want a fight, these guys are just men who never got past age 13 in most aspects of whatever fucking dead ass brain inhabits their empty bodies. How many fight this hard for their families?
My step dad used to be really deeply entrenched in Millwall hooliganism, growing up in Nunhead near the stadium. Told me all kinds of stories from smacking up the NF trying to sell news papers in their pubs, to massive riots and facing off horse charges, cops taking off badges to get away with brutality. Working Class have a strong sense of unity, football teams create sense of collective identity, not surprising during economic hardships football firms would boom when young men want a cause or outlet. Also isn't surprising far-right thugs targeted football hooligans to join their movements. If only these lot could come out for real political change the same way they come out to fight eachother.
I don’t think you’d like the political change either West Ham or Millwall would bring in. Both us and Millwall are two sides of the same coin, and politically speaking both fanbases lean right. The proof is the voting patters of where most West Ham and Millwall live nowadays in the Essex and Kent. A lot of people associate working-class and progressive politics, and it just doesn’t match. Not in England at least.
Your dad should be ashamed of himself for hitting NF activitists , especially seeing the state of London years on . They were just warning the fans of the impending destruction of our culture/identity
@@243Chris__ I'd love to have them up. So many great London Derbies to be played. The support and the owners may well be enough of a cocktail to keep them up as well.
The rivalry between Millwall and West Ham United is one of the longest-standing and most bitter in English football. The two teams, then known as Millwall Athletic and Thames Ironworks, both originated in the East End of London, and were located less than three miles apart. They first played each other in the 1899-1900 FA Cup. The match was historically known as the Dockers derby, as both sets of supporters were predominantly dockers at shipyards on the River Thames. Consequently, each set of fans worked for rival firms who were competing for the same business; this intensified the tension between the teams. In 1904, West Ham moved to the Boleyn Ground which was then part of Essex until a London boundary change in 1965. In 1910, Millwall moved across the River Thames to New Cross in South East London and the teams were no longer East London neighbours. Both sides have relocated since, but remain just under four miles apart. Millwall moved to The Den in Bermondsey in 1993 and West Ham to the London Stadium in Stratford in 2016.
Lived in east London most of my life and I am a west ham fan so I am not a stranger to the east London accent but that said I have to say your accent is making my ears bleed. "firty free times they played eechuva" LOL
The green brigade look crazy but there actually a calm group that just march to the ground with flares. Even playing rangers there isn’t really fights anymore
There have been just 27 fixtures between the clubs in the last 105 years. What I can't work out is this: is the rivalry so fierce because the game is so rarely played or despite it being so rarely played? I grew up further out into South East London in an West Ham-supporting family. When I see what Lewisham Council was doing to Millwall a few years ago, the logical side of my brain recognises that a couple of seasons in the Premier League would allow Millwall to secure their future and the legacy of football in that area. However, the West Ham fan in me cannot stomach Millwall in the Premier League.
I grew up around millwall and I supported them and West Ham but once I was wearing my West Ham kit around Bermondsey and my neighbour scared the shit out of me because he told me I could get hurt as well as that I also ran into a group of teenagers who started to mock the 5 year old me I didn’t really care though and continued to support both teams
I grew up during this era. Crazy, crazy. Worse than he is saying here. I couldn’t believe they let the teams meet in the FA cup and always said they should throw the numbers back if it ever occurs. I was happy when Millwall messed up getting to the play offs this year. Can’t have them in the same division us, as it’d still be mayhem, today.
01:48 Millwall Rovers eh? I wonder who they were named after? Tottenham Hotspur also copied our famous blue and white halved shirt. We were some ground breakers in our day.
I wonder if anyone can explain something that has always seemed an anomaly to me - how or why a club representing an area north of the river ended up playing south of the river? I know a bit about the history from Wikipedia etc, but it just seems incongruous to me. I understand the original players and supporters lived on the Isle of Dogs, but nowadays most fans live in Bermondsey. Is it really accurate to call the club by the name of a different place?
Arsenal the same. originally from Woolwich and relocated to Islington, yet still call themselves Arsenal despite being a lot further away from their original home than Millwall.
@@4exgold Interesting, I'd forgotten about Arsenal (as I'm a Spurs fan you can understand that I hope!). It fascinates me as to where exactly the clubs are supposed to "represent". I imagine Arsenal fans mostly come from or live in North London, but Millwall ... makes me wonder why the name isn't "Deptford" instead.
This sounds familiar 🤔 seems like the post code gang wars all started from football. Even the fact that at 7:54 West ham fans were going to opp block to slide in on their opps and then at 8:34 is that not the same as "drill music" seems to me like postcode wars all started with 🖐🏻 people
If only these football firms had some class consciousness and rised up against the true enemies: the government, the authorities, the monarchy and billionaires. Definitely noticed more fights since lockdown at the football.
@@daviduns2196 Didn’t think that person’s response was shirking any responsibility. In fact, it seemed like someone was being thought-provoking. It’s easy to take out our anger and frustration on an opposing sport team and the media LOVE to stir and sensationalise such clear divisions. Perhaps it IS taking responsibility, to share this point with ‘social media’ ? P. S. I like your profile pic of a lion in a top hat! Doesn’t get much cooler than that!!!
His knowledge of this fixture is amazing, he can almost read it off a script.
His narration was just mesmorising.
A translator to English wouldn't hurt @@davechard1143
Dear eWood, Huh, I smell something snarky. However, there's a lot of that going around -- even with the best YTers.
Why couldn't they wait until the narrator was sober before recording this?
Ha ha ha ha ⚒️
Yeh. Not a great sussess!
😂😂😂😂 quality
😂😂😂😂
Haha u clearly not a regular on this chanel. Big up Kidnerd quality content as usual.
RIP Isla, from Millwall💙💙💙
Respect brother
Love that. I'm westham and you were the first team to recognise her. Much respect
Love this video. Even as a resident of Canning Town and a life long hammer, i learned a lot from this video. There's always going to be that rivalry but was good to see it putting aside for a more important common cause. Respect to the video creator 🙌
Amazing video, top tier coverage
i watch your drill lore vids and was siked to see you posted this -- 10/10 great job ⚒
As a southend fan i say sorry to simon dobbin and hes family. It should never go that far
Up the shrimpers
Bloke's narrating was doing my bleedin head in
Good video. Major omission though is the General Strike of 1926. Surrey and India Docks mostly Millwall then Royal Docks mostly West Ham. One set of do kers supported the strike ans another didn't. Not sure which way around it was. Caused some tension at the time which played out in the derby matches.
Correct, I was just going to say this.... it was obviously millwall who crossed the picket lines ⚒️⚒️
goes back to 1906, when west ham got the hump about smashing the teacups
You’ve missed a very important episode that helped greatly in creating the rivalry … take a look at the dockers strikes of 1926 …
I started rooting for West Ham this season since. This was a great and informative video which enlightened me on the lore between the rivalry. Thank you
Everywhere we go, everywhere we go,... we snort some snow(allegedly!) then we turn up for the show.
Big respect to both of these clubs real Football Clubs real history and real supporters. It’s a huge rivalry with all the good and bad.
Grown men fighting over football is gross
@No Chance 2 wrongs don't make a right
@No Chance Would maybe be okay if my tax wasn't wasted on fixing these twats. Start a fight club if you want a fight, these guys are just men who never got past age 13 in most aspects of whatever fucking dead ass brain inhabits their empty bodies. How many fight this hard for their families?
Bang on mate you did your homework good stuff .
I thought going to football to enjoy the game and then go home was the way to go but thats me told.
My step dad used to be really deeply entrenched in Millwall hooliganism, growing up in Nunhead near the stadium. Told me all kinds of stories from smacking up the NF trying to sell news papers in their pubs, to massive riots and facing off horse charges, cops taking off badges to get away with brutality.
Working Class have a strong sense of unity, football teams create sense of collective identity, not surprising during economic hardships football firms would boom when young men want a cause or outlet. Also isn't surprising far-right thugs targeted football hooligans to join their movements.
If only these lot could come out for real political change the same way they come out to fight eachother.
I don’t think you’d like the political change either West Ham or Millwall would bring in. Both us and Millwall are two sides of the same coin, and politically speaking both fanbases lean right. The proof is the voting patters of where most West Ham and Millwall live nowadays in the Essex and Kent.
A lot of people associate working-class and progressive politics, and it just doesn’t match. Not in England at least.
Your dad should be ashamed of himself for hitting NF activitists , especially seeing the state of London years on . They were just warning the fans of the impending destruction of our culture/identity
Your dad should be ashamed, waking up on a Saturday to go cause bother and have a fight. Embarrassing
Far right more like correct
@@jamesjones3371 On the basis of what?
Everything is cyclical. Just like how drill artists be making tunes dissing the dead, hooligans used to do that shit back in day. It's crazy fr
And before the hooligans was mods vs rockers
Weird everybody’s making videos on this all of a sudden, loving a bit of coverage on it 😊
@@243Chris__ I'd love to have them up. So many great London Derbies to be played. The support and the owners may well be enough of a cocktail to keep them up as well.
Millwall could be in prem next season or west ham could be in championship next season so
@@bikergamecat just imagining the London Stadium as a venue on the same level as most of the others 😅
@@bikergamecat Lol
Love the VID and everything you've said about these two clubs is spot on.
The jokes on the drunk narrator are the best part of this video
You should do more videos on football rivalries and their fans.
It is one of the most fierce rivals in English football but in terms of how the clubs have been historically, West Ham are the superior club.
They got more titles than west ham
@@fourcandles9413 millwall havent won a major trophy
IRONS ⚒️⚒️
Interesting history lesson well presented
Not going to lie I hate Millwall with a passion but the respect for Isla was pure class. That’s the best you’re going to get out of me.
No one cares tbh that’s your issue not ours 😂
Didn’t understand a word of that tbh , sounds like a retard ! 😂
We don't care
@@pcarts232yeah I ain't gonna lie either, he's a fkn prick
To be fair though, literally everyone in London hates the council tenants more than Millwall 😂
Very good and interesting video bro, well done 👏
The rivalry between Millwall and West Ham United is one of the longest-standing and most bitter in English football. The two teams, then known as Millwall Athletic and Thames Ironworks, both originated in the East End of London, and were located less than three miles apart. They first played each other in the 1899-1900 FA Cup. The match was historically known as the Dockers derby, as both sets of supporters were predominantly dockers at shipyards on the River Thames. Consequently, each set of fans worked for rival firms who were competing for the same business; this intensified the tension between the teams. In 1904, West Ham moved to the Boleyn Ground which was then part of Essex until a London boundary change in 1965. In 1910, Millwall moved across the River Thames to New Cross in South East London and the teams were no longer East London neighbours. Both sides have relocated since, but remain just under four miles apart. Millwall moved to The Den in Bermondsey in 1993 and West Ham to the London Stadium in Stratford in 2016.
Can you do one for Aston Villa vs Birmingham city (second city derby) please
Well researched and well presented video. Well done Kid Nerd keep going!👏🏾👏🏾
A very good production on a sticky subject 👏🏾👏🏾
Behzinga vs Zerkaa
lol
Who??
Lame ass bruddas
@@westy8065 sidemen
Stick to tick stock or wherever these plums are from.
Sick watch as always. The level of research this lad puts in is unreal 👏
Thank you so much for this wonderful video
Great content…well put together…makes sense now!!
I'm forever blowing bubbles
I'm sorry you had a stroke just before recording the audio for this video. Get well soon !
They might be in the same league next season👀
No chance ever
Millwall? Never heard of her ⚒️
The country might need people like hammers and lions supporters to come together to fight for this country soon.
Lived in east London most of my life and I am a west ham fan so I am not a stranger to the east London accent but that said I have to say your accent is making my ears bleed. "firty free times they played eechuva" LOL
Its jalfrasian nowadays, not cockney!
Not very sussessfawl an va dete was va 21th! ……. BUT, apart from the sloppy accent, it was pretty interesting imo. 😊
Kid Nerd, please keep uploading. Always re watch your old videos because of how good they are
Always bro ❤️
You must be deaf if you appreciated this narration.
Really hoping Millwall go up this season. Will be very entertaining to watch them go straight back down. The shithousery will be top tier.
Or West Ham go down
Hoping West Ham can stay up.
@@kidnerd Dream on sunbeam
I get rising anxiety when Millwall are in the promotion race which only subsides when they inevitably fall away.
@@kidnerdnever say that again.
The green brigade look crazy but there actually a calm group that just march to the ground with flares. Even playing rangers there isn’t really fights anymore
I'm 33. Born in Newham General hospital. Life long West-Ham fan.
I knew the history was deep but not this deep.
Thank you for the education
There have been just 27 fixtures between the clubs in the last 105 years. What I can't work out is this: is the rivalry so fierce because the game is so rarely played or despite it being so rarely played?
I grew up further out into South East London in an West Ham-supporting family. When I see what Lewisham Council was doing to Millwall a few years ago, the logical side of my brain recognises that a couple of seasons in the Premier League would allow Millwall to secure their future and the legacy of football in that area. However, the West Ham fan in me cannot stomach Millwall in the Premier League.
Are u confuced? U said ur west ham fan bruh
@@Icecubegv COYI
goes back to dockers strikes
There are a lot of non-football reasons going back 100 years. It’s all a bit pathetic now.
Milwall..Fulham is a bigger grudge match than this.
I grew up around millwall and I supported them and West Ham but once I was wearing my West Ham kit around Bermondsey and my neighbour scared the shit out of me because he told me I could get hurt as well as that I also ran into a group of teenagers who started to mock the 5 year old me I didn’t really care though and continued to support both teams
You’re brave for doing that but also stupid supporting West Ham & Millwall is like supporting arsenal & spurs 😂
as a millwall fan, i love ur videos mate, thanks for making a video about my club
😂millwalls shit
@@morrisoniamdoneasda4432 You're shit
As as West Ham fan I’d love for them to get promoted and embarrassed every week
@@hotepsalam u barely escaped relegation this season
@@hotepsalam That’s rich coming from a West Spam mug fingers crossed you lot go down .
Do a vid on 09 Upton Park riots
I grew up during this era. Crazy, crazy. Worse than he is saying here. I couldn’t believe they let the teams meet in the FA cup and always said they should throw the numbers back if it ever occurs.
I was happy when Millwall messed up getting to the play offs this year. Can’t have them in the same division us, as it’d still be mayhem, today.
You’re scared that’s why
It would liven things up though
@@Overkill2008scared to make you realise how battered you would get
@@Pikmoogle lol you think we care. Also we have more wins than you in these games.
@@Overkill2008 when ur in the prem you can talk
Hope you get over the stroke soon mate.
01:48 Millwall Rovers eh? I wonder who they were named after? Tottenham Hotspur also copied our famous blue and white halved shirt. We were some ground breakers in our day.
Yeah but irrelevant now sadly
I wonder if anyone can explain something that has always seemed an anomaly to me - how or why a club representing an area north of the river ended up playing south of the river? I know a bit about the history from Wikipedia etc, but it just seems incongruous to me. I understand the original players and supporters lived on the Isle of Dogs, but nowadays most fans live in Bermondsey. Is it really accurate to call the club by the name of a different place?
Arsenal the same. originally from Woolwich and relocated to Islington, yet still call themselves Arsenal despite being a lot further away from their original home than Millwall.
@@4exgold Interesting, I'd forgotten about Arsenal (as I'm a Spurs fan you can understand that I hope!). It fascinates me as to where exactly the clubs are supposed to "represent". I imagine Arsenal fans mostly come from or live in North London, but Millwall ... makes me wonder why the name isn't "Deptford" instead.
@@simonzonenblick395 They are called Woolwich wanderers & Surrey scabs
@@simonzonenblick395 Arsenal 100% represents North London more than Woolwich.
We only spent 20 years there whereas we've been up north for over 100
Arsenal are the same they were originally "the Woolwich Arsenal situated in Woolwich South London now one of .North London's biggest teams
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class video like always
The commentary is good for someone who has English as a second language.
Guessing the sun was past the yard arm before narrating.
F-Troop and The Treatment were before Bushwhackers
Great vid..Well Played... Thanks
Class video 👏🏻👏🏻
Please more of these videos there really good
just subscribed.great video lad
I’m not English and I don’t want to sound like a copper but are firms still active ?
Yesss another video😍🔥
Which one of these two clubs Were the SCABS and Broke the un-writfen law and ignore the the Strike & went back to Work????
R.i.p all those who died
This sounds familiar 🤔 seems like the post code gang wars all started from football. Even the fact that at 7:54 West ham fans were going to opp block to slide in on their opps and then at 8:34 is that not the same as "drill music" seems to me like postcode wars all started with 🖐🏻 people
originally the "bushwackers" were called "F Troop" in the early 70's
8:45 A young Ray Winstone!
Man sounds like he took 17 sleepers before recording his voice over
If only these football firms had some class consciousness and rised up against the true enemies: the government, the authorities, the monarchy and billionaires.
Definitely noticed more fights since lockdown at the football.
Government, monarchy, billionaires AND Spurs! Haha!😊
Take responsibility for yourself, don’t blame the government etc for your own shortcomings in life.
@@daviduns2196 Didn’t think that person’s response was shirking any responsibility. In fact, it seemed like someone was being thought-provoking.
It’s easy to take out our anger and frustration on an opposing sport team and the media LOVE to stir and sensationalise such clear divisions.
Perhaps it IS taking responsibility, to share this point with ‘social media’ ?
P. S. I like your profile pic of a lion in a top hat! Doesn’t get much cooler than that!!!
Rip isla Catton poor little lady gone to sleep too soon x
Can you do boxing rivalries??
Big example, Eubank & Benn
Mileend mob, cripps testimonial, needs a video on its own. ⚒️
I was there. It was like the charge of the Light Brigade, backwards and forwards.
Good blog but you forgot to mention the picket lines that caused more conflict.
West Ham & Millwall same DNA 👊
He didn't mention it cause it's a myth and isn't true
@@WYM22 I disagree a few old boys just told me the story
Exactly mate, bit tougher & nastier for sure ⚒
Thanks for this video brother
Has Benny Hill got production credits on this comedy
You should do a 'drillers left paralysed by the lifestyle' that would be great 🎉
that was really enjoyable , a well comprised watch :)
top content as always
Police allowed pubs to open early am. Kicks off evening. Stopping tubes miles from ground. Police are so thick.
They never win and even fight among themselves?
Mate Millwalls 1st firm was F Troop we became Bushwackers in 1982.
Treatment and the Halfway Line were also Millwall firms weren’t they??
Skip the 80’s and the Irrational hatred of Luton Town
Big up Kid nerd for the video
Every team feared Don Revies team lmfao
ease off the glue next time you record ay? nitty
Where does this nug narrator get his accent from.
make more videos on different rivalries in the uk.
What’s this guy mumbling about…
Narration sounds more like a wannabe gangster outside McDonald’s rather than a fan on the terraces
What did the narrator say? Subtitles helped!
Who’s the narrator sounds like a right dinlo
Dunno what a dinlo is but he definitely needs some heliquooshun lessins to be sussessfawl!!!😅
Witch docmentry are there of english football
You been drinking Sir?
Imagine if these people acted like this is normal life they would all be locked up
can you do more london gang videos theyre cold
Does cold mean good?
Interesting video 👍👍
Warriors. Come out and play
I so wanna steal the narrator's accent.
The feud has only died out because millwall Cnt get into the prem.
Shame West Ham aren't a working class club anymore.Weve gone soft .
Amazing to think that most of those fans and hooligans are now grandpas or dead.
Tottenham smashing Chelsea on the pitch 5min 50
Less weed more water