+Academy of Historical Fencing Thank you! We will continue to develop this glove and other versions over the coming years based on the feedback and need of the community.
It almost looks like the video is speeded up, when Axel is going through his little drilling, there :) It's great to see more development, from more people, on the glove front. (I hope there's more development on the progauntlet, as well) That said, the hits in the striking test, were clearly fairly weak (as you'd instinctively do, when you know you're hitting someone's hand, but... it's kinda bad, for a strike test)
Just a little question. Have you tried the glove while horseback riding (for the Rossfechters amongst us) with this glove. It appears to be more moveable and smoother, which would be a great improvement for reign handling, but I wondered whether the padding and the thikness of the glove does not hamper the perception and feel through the reins.
+PXCharon I used them last weekend at Bolognese Open where we fenced with Regenyei sideswords that has finger rings and knuckle bow, that worked just fine and we will release a video on that soon. In general it is hard to answer the question though as all weapon makes use different measurements for their weapons. /Axel
What about the most powerful blows like would occur in a serious fight situation? I have seen red dragon gloves be destroyed, and lacrosse gloves still leave damage underneath. I want a glove that will not even give me a blue thumb or fingernail - will Koning gloves provide that kind of protection? And are the fingertips protected with a hard protection to keep fingertips from being smashed?
+Tyler Finn There is no glove that is entirely safe, and martial arts will always come with the risk of bruising. However, the Koning gloves do have hard protection for the fingertips (as well as the rest of the top of the hand).
It's a bit worrying how gingerly he seems to be hitting the glove on every direction except straight on top. Oh well, time will tell. If they really are as protective as they claim, I'll definitely buy a pair.
See some want more force, really hefty hews. Damn, Anders! Use an axe next time! I think there is enough force applied in the hit...come on. Its fair for hema practice, blows could be stronger or weaker, these are medium lets say, the goal is not to hew with all your might (anyone can do that, no matter how bulky or scrawny he/she is...the blade is easy to move) but to perform a good strike while not being hit / defending yourself. You get him in the head, hand whatever with a decent amount of force...a medium amount, its still ok...hell its better, as you are in control..splitting his head in two wont earn you MORE...as in the end the battle would be decided by the quality not the force. Experienced fencers in a sparring sometimes do not even need to hit/recieve a hit and just acknowledge that they were open in the flow of movements and they could have been hit as their partner stops before that happens..or just lightly taps...not saying its a general rule but it can be done. The idea is not to release the rage, stress...and whatever to destroy your partner (even if hes from another club or in a competition..still a partner..as the fight makes you more experienced, hes interested in the same stuff as you, may be or become your friend), but use the energy to get better in the art, on this path. nuff talk, just my two cents. Mycket bra, svenskar.
+JohnHellscream Thanks! Of course, we can make more videos striking ourselves even harder, next up will be a video showing mobility with a sidesword. /Axel
Those are no "hits" but just touches. Every thick or somewhat padded glove will do for these soft and slow touches you delivered. And even with those soft and slow touches the one guy missed. Sorry, but I don't believe that these gloves offer any significant protection.
+Georg Mackowiak Seriously, HOW hard are you striking? Ever done some cutting test with a sharp sword? You don't need to hammer on sth like crazy. These hits are quite representing for the most of the HEMA-fights. There aren't made for battle of nations and stuff were you try to deform metal armor. Reflect yourself please.
+Georg Mackowiak Based on your videos I would say you don't understand what you are seeing. No, an average thick or 'somewhat' padded glove would result in serious pain with the potential for nasty injury from blows like that. If you expect to feel nothing when striking like your opponent is trying to cut a tree down then perhaps you are in the wrong martial art.
***** Flo D. Oh, really? While I share your disagreements about his claim that the gloves wouldn't protect (what with the previous strike test video, as well as the fact that they used the gloves, at Swordfish, without trouble)... Are you telling me, that those strikes aren't merely light taps? Have you seen videos of (not to speak of having engaged in) HEMA sparring? Or test cutting? ...or even just drills, that aren't very slow/careful. Certainly, you shouldn't, in HEMA, try to hit with anything like maximum force, but... People don't hit that weakly, when they are really cutting/thrusting. Also, these are protective gloves. They aren't supposed to just protect against _should,_ ideally, happen. They need to protect against what *can* happen. (and people hitting harder than necessary, either due to accident/mistake, incompetence, or for whatever other reason, is a likely enough scenario) P.S. HEMA is not a sport. It is a martial art. Sport is about winning matches. Martial Arts, is about learning how to fight. Those are two mutually exclusive categories. Olympic fencing is a sport, as is Kendo. Neither are martial arts. Judo is a sport. Jujutsu is a martial art. ...and chess is a sport, as is bowling. Jogging, however, isn't (when was the last time you saw a jogging tournament?).
Academy of Historical Fencing While I would agree that those hits would result in pain, and maybe some bruising (possibly some injury, if you're unlucky), they are not even close to the amount of force you use, in test cutting, sparring, or even most drills.
+ZarlanTheGreen Those hits would result in complete incapacitation of the hand with a sharp sword. We are training with swords, not clubs, and if you are looking for a glove to stop a 'full contact' blow then you are going to be looking for a long time. Anyway, I think you will just have to wait and see them. It is very clear that they offer bucket loads more protection than any other fingered gloves out there.
Excellent looking gloves. Really looking forward to trying them out. They look like the most promising glove for HEMA yet.
+Academy of Historical Fencing Thank you! We will continue to develop this glove and other versions over the coming years based on the feedback and need of the community.
My HEMA instructor told me to wait to buy gloves until these came out. These look incredible! Can't wait!
+skwerldeath Thank you for your support!
It almost looks like the video is speeded up, when Axel is going through his little drilling, there :)
It's great to see more development, from more people, on the glove front. (I hope there's more development on the progauntlet, as well)
That said, the hits in the striking test, were clearly fairly weak (as you'd instinctively do, when you know you're hitting someone's hand, but... it's kinda bad, for a strike test)
That bastard can move his fingers better in those gloves than I could after five years of playing bass guitar. >:(
Very excited for these to come out!
Shiiiit. A glove that actually allows us to use some of the alternative grips from the illustrations?
+Pradana P. M. I have no problems using alternative grips with the Koning glove.
/Axel
The revolution has finally come! :D
I like those moves... German system? I need some gloves for my daughter.. are these only one size?
Can't wait to get my hands in a pair of these. Will they be available in black?
+Jack Traveller Are you batman?
I am, and I want them to match the rest of my crime fighting gear.
Just a little question. Have you tried the glove while horseback riding (for the Rossfechters amongst us) with this glove. It appears to be more moveable and smoother, which would be a great improvement for reign handling, but I wondered whether the padding and the thikness of the glove does not hamper the perception and feel through the reins.
+Aquila Mxp Hi! No we have not, but that is a very interesting prospect.
How are they against thrusts? Are there many parts where a point can slip in?
How well will they fit inside a complex hilt, such as a swept hilt rapier or Schiavona?
+PXCharon I used them last weekend at Bolognese Open where we fenced with Regenyei sideswords that has finger rings and knuckle bow, that worked just fine and we will release a video on that soon. In general it is hard to answer the question though as all weapon makes use different measurements for their weapons.
/Axel
What about the most powerful blows like would occur in a serious fight situation? I have seen red dragon gloves be destroyed, and lacrosse gloves still leave damage underneath. I want a glove that will not even give me a blue thumb or fingernail - will Koning gloves provide that kind of protection? And are the fingertips protected with a hard protection to keep fingertips from being smashed?
+Tyler Finn There is no glove that is entirely safe, and martial arts will always come with the risk of bruising. However, the Koning gloves do have hard protection for the fingertips (as well as the rest of the top of the hand).
Damn, I want those.
It's a bit worrying how gingerly he seems to be hitting the glove on every direction except straight on top.
Oh well, time will tell.
If they really are as protective as they claim, I'll definitely buy a pair.
See some want more force, really hefty hews. Damn, Anders! Use an axe next time! I think there is enough force applied in the hit...come on.
Its fair for hema practice, blows could be stronger or weaker, these are medium lets say, the goal is not to hew with all your might (anyone can do that, no matter how bulky or scrawny he/she is...the blade is easy to move) but to perform a good strike while not being hit / defending yourself. You get him in the head, hand whatever with a decent amount of force...a medium amount, its still ok...hell its better, as you are in control..splitting his head in two wont earn you MORE...as in the end the battle would be decided by the quality not the force. Experienced fencers in a sparring sometimes do not even need to hit/recieve a hit and just acknowledge that they were open in the flow of movements and they could have been hit as their partner stops before that happens..or just lightly taps...not saying its a general rule but it can be done. The idea is not to release the rage, stress...and whatever to destroy your partner (even if hes from another club or in a competition..still a partner..as the fight makes you more experienced, hes interested in the same stuff as you, may be or become your friend), but use the energy to get better in the art, on this path. nuff talk, just my two cents. Mycket bra, svenskar.
+JohnHellscream Thanks! Of course, we can make more videos striking ourselves even harder, next up will be a video showing mobility with a sidesword.
/Axel
+St Mark Fought Ilkka wearing them? Cant wait to see the recorded fight. One question though...will they be available in black? :D
+JohnHellscream ruclips.net/video/0nHxhY6brDk/видео.html
Those are no "hits" but just touches. Every thick or somewhat padded glove will do for these soft and slow touches you delivered.
And even with those soft and slow touches the one guy missed. Sorry, but I don't believe that these gloves offer any significant protection.
+Georg Mackowiak Seriously, HOW hard are you striking? Ever done some cutting test with a sharp sword? You don't need to hammer on sth like crazy. These hits are quite representing for the most of the HEMA-fights. There aren't made for battle of nations and stuff were you try to deform metal armor. Reflect yourself please.
+Georg Mackowiak Based on your videos I would say you don't understand what you are seeing. No, an average thick or 'somewhat' padded glove would result in serious pain with the potential for nasty injury from blows like that. If you expect to feel nothing when striking like your opponent is trying to cut a tree down then perhaps you are in the wrong martial art.
***** Flo D.
Oh, really? While I share your disagreements about his claim that the gloves wouldn't protect (what with the previous strike test video, as well as the fact that they used the gloves, at Swordfish, without trouble)...
Are you telling me, that those strikes aren't merely light taps?
Have you seen videos of (not to speak of having engaged in) HEMA sparring? Or test cutting? ...or even just drills, that aren't very slow/careful.
Certainly, you shouldn't, in HEMA, try to hit with anything like maximum force, but...
People don't hit that weakly, when they are really cutting/thrusting.
Also, these are protective gloves. They aren't supposed to just protect against _should,_ ideally, happen. They need to protect against what *can* happen. (and people hitting harder than necessary, either due to accident/mistake, incompetence, or for whatever other reason, is a likely enough scenario)
P.S. HEMA is not a sport. It is a martial art.
Sport is about winning matches. Martial Arts, is about learning how to fight.
Those are two mutually exclusive categories.
Olympic fencing is a sport, as is Kendo. Neither are martial arts.
Judo is a sport. Jujutsu is a martial art.
...and chess is a sport, as is bowling.
Jogging, however, isn't (when was the last time you saw a jogging tournament?).
Academy of Historical Fencing While I would agree that those hits would result in pain, and maybe some bruising (possibly some injury, if you're unlucky), they are not even close to the amount of force you use, in test cutting, sparring, or even most drills.
+ZarlanTheGreen Those hits would result in complete incapacitation of the hand with a sharp sword. We are training with swords, not clubs, and if you are looking for a glove to stop a 'full contact' blow then you are going to be looking for a long time. Anyway, I think you will just have to wait and see them. It is very clear that they offer bucket loads more protection than any other fingered gloves out there.