+oh! Jazz Duo/Ens. they sound like drums should sound unlike the ones that give that plastic stick sound... man how i hate that every single video with tags "marching snare drum" is about this shit :S
High tension marching snares are the standard for most marching bands today, and is better for and settings. I prefer the sound of the last one, the Yahama.
The first one sounds the best, although both the old ones sound great. Who came up with the bad idea that marching snares should sound like Formica table tops?
Sound projects better compared to the rope snares, plus it’s lighter, plus you can mount it easier, plus a million other things. I think modern snares sound DOPE.
@@benjiboy9907 I disagree I think the snare drums are using today sound like table tops horrible far from a real snare sound plus with the cores and bands are playing today very simple compared to what we played in Old Skool days we played all the rudiments including Swiss movements for exposure to era points today in my opinion it doing warm-ups for the entire show nothing difficult about that although their execution because of the simplicity of what that playing Play song clean
@@americanspirit8932 first off. The drums are tuned so high for a reason. They are designed to project. Unfortunately the old fashioned drums simply cannot project over a 150+ horn ensemble across a football stadium. In addition, if you think modern drum corps writing is “simple” watch Santa Clara Vanguards 2019 show for about one or two minutes and get back to me when you’re done.
The bigger the drum, the better the sound. The ultra-high tension tabletops like the yamaha are grating. The first rope drum actually sounds like a snare. That is my preference.
Some people say that the new drums ( 3:44 ) don't sound like "real" drums. After watching this video, I think it's safe to say that that It sounds the same as all the others, but with stronger, more tougher drum heads.
Hi, Tom! Your video inspired me to get my new favorite snare two months ago through Reverb, a beautiful 15 x 12 Slingerland in Blue Sparkle finish from 1965, and I cannot thank you enough for that. It is by far the best snare that I have ever played, and I have it tuned roughly halfway between the first two snares in your video. It still had the original resonant head on it when the drum arrived in the mail, but it now has an Evans UV1 batter, and a 300 Clear resonant. I use it both on its own when practicing rudiments, and as part of my drum set.
Glad to hear about your new drum, Raymond. RUclips has been an endless source of inspiration for me. I only picked up drum sticks again in 2011 after 30 years. I reconnected with old friends and organized Robbins' Rebels drum line, collected lots of drums, took up dirt bike riding, and I'm now back into guitar (and buying lots of those, too). All thanks to the fun stuff I see on RUclips, and the ability to shop on eBay, Amazon and Reverb! lol
Nice collection of drums and playing..30 year break? wow how long did it take to get your chops back. did it feel like starting over again or did you snap back fairly quickly?
I have a 1958 slingerland 15 by 12 snare drum with real good for the snares sounds as good today as it did then one change I made was taking off the cats can head back then and put it in Remo heads on it fantastic drum beautiful again I had it since August of 1958 I paid $65 for it at that time I love it.
Definitively the first one sounds best to me. I have the Andante Scottish snare drum and it sounds "dry" more or less like the Yamaha. Thanks for sharing
The Andante is a different type of snare drum actually, it's called a pipe snare drum and the snares under both heads give it a crackle type sound. The tech is really interesting
Christian Graham you right but as for the style I was personally introduced too this is wrong but as you said it’s a personal preference 💯 I respect that
It needs to be a little higher. I know tuning is a preference but the point of kevlar marching heads is high tension and usually when they are that low its cause the person tuning it doesnt know what they are doing. Ive never heard a dci line or even college line with kevlars sound that low.
That Cooperman is the business! It's got hair on its...............snares! I wish more outfits marched with rope snare drums and that they sounded like the Copperman!
It's not the tuning. All these later style early 1990s and later (floaters) sound like garbage. The older more relax drums and heads always sounded better, but we're so use to super cranked new stuff that it has become the norm.
Hi Tom, Great stuff! Where did you get the "Larue" drum? Are they still manufactured. Really like the Cooperman as well, but something about that Larue really speaks to me....
Dill Pickle and personally I prefer the sound and feel using Remo Black max on top, given proper tuning as stated above; though those rope drums were amazing!
Yea really Is that supposed to be a joke but you can't tell because this guy does nothing but play snare and doesn't realize that people play the drums for very long periods of time besides doing chops on the snare all day long.
Any advice on tuning a high tension snare with a Mylar batter? Should I use a Mylar bottom or can I use a Kevlar bottom? I've seen people like Jeff Queen use a Mylar batter with Kevlar bottom.
i personally use kevlar batters with kevlar sides and those sound beautiful on marching drums, but i have had to use mylar sides with kevlar batters and while the sound quality isnt as good in my opinion, the method of tuning isnt any different, just dont tune as high.
Hi Tom! I am a bagpiper looking to use a drummer when playing for funerals. I want to achieve a deadened or muffled sound on the snare. We don't want to mess with his band drum, so we're looking for a drum that'll give us that sombre sound that you'd associate with funeral marches. Would a rope tension field drum or something like that be the way to go? Any suggestions? Thanks!
Check eBay for rope tension drums. A lot of inexpensive new and used ones just might do the trick. For the most expensive option, Cooperman Rope Drum at Cooperman.com specifically makes a model for funeral use.
Please send the TDR to the following address! Ha! We marched TDRs in 1980 with the Spirit of Atlanta. (silver dots as I remember) cranked to the max of course. Thanks for posting this.
@@Tom70s I remember David. Did you know Dale Powers? He marched snare with Blue Stars in 1978 and then marched Spirit in 1979. We were both in the Auburn University Drum line. Lots of drummers from Auburn marched D.C.I. (Blue Star, Phantom, Spirit, Blue Devils).Memories.
I've seen and heard different nations use these drums in different videos for their marching music but probably the most unique and strange sound in the history of these marching drums was pre-ww2 Germany. The Hitlerjugen played on these marching snares but it sounded more like a concert bass drum. My thing is how the heck does someone tune a snare like this into the sound of a concert bass drum tone? I will assume that tuning these snares are quite different than modern day snares.
You Sir rip! Nice playing and fascinating to hear the spectrum of sounds. Any idea what Scots military bands like the Black Watch played back in the 1800's?
Tom70s on my FB group 'Sunlit Scots' I have just posted some incredible photos from 1846 of Scots soldiers at Edinburgh Castle. Their is a drummer in 3 shots and you can clearly see his drum and sticks. Cheers
Great video! Thanks so much. Does the Yamaha drum have the two snare setup (one under batter head, one on the bottom)? Also, that 2nd last drum (the silver one you've had since 74') sounds amazing!
What is the name of the one before the high tension snare? Cause I know they all have names like ones a rope drum, ones a high tension snare I just don’t know what the other one is called
I play for 4 hours some days some days maybe only 2 or 1 if I'm busy. And the winner is number 3 The 1974 with the Ludwig dot head. The rest sound good but that's the best sound out of them all by far.
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Those rope drums sound SWEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!
+oh! Jazz Duo/Ens. they sound like drums should sound unlike the ones that give that plastic stick sound... man how i hate that every single video with tags "marching snare drum" is about this shit :S
oh! Jazz Duo/Ens. ya im black want to go to college for drumline snare for human jukebox snare line i wish theyed use thr red rope one
I liked the snare
nice and phat
@@jakubsabosz2933 no ewww can’t stand that low tone you can’t understand what’s being played crisp off the head
I like the first one best
Detector Boy same
yep
Saltfisher 14 same here
the most pleasing and basically a mini bass drum
Agreed
I want to be one of those guys that just gets to play around with like 10 snares
same here
Beautiful area to play in. Really nice sounding drums that second rope drum sounded killer.
my pick, as well.
That first drum is battle ready :)
I’m very partial towards newer marching snares but i gotta admit, those rope drums sound amazing
The second drum sounds so sick/ amazing
Sweet. Love the rope drums. More pure sounding
Wonderful playing! That first drum was beautiful sounding!!
Can't believe the high pitch that 17 incher produced!
Cooperman rocked it!
No wonder William "the Chief"
Ludwig II said that was the only drum he would ever pay
for!
the first drum wins. where's the fifes ?
Yea really.
Get your musket the red coats are coming.
High tension marching snares are the standard for most marching bands today, and is better for and settings. I prefer the sound of the last one, the Yahama.
i agree that punch tho
@@elansleazebaganno right can’t stand a low pitched snare why because nobody can freaking understand what’s being played off the head
@@shadowballgaming351 high pitched ones are so shallow i don't like their sound. Low pitched one has a nice punch that motivates? you
The first one sounds the best, although both the old ones sound great. Who came up with the bad idea that marching snares should sound like Formica table tops?
Sound projects better compared to the rope snares, plus it’s lighter, plus you can mount it easier, plus a million other things. I think modern snares sound DOPE.
@@benjiboy9907 I disagree I think the snare drums are using today sound like table tops horrible far from a real snare sound plus with the cores and bands are playing today very simple compared to what we played in Old Skool days we played all the rudiments including Swiss movements for exposure to era points today in my opinion it doing warm-ups for the entire show nothing difficult about that although their execution because of the simplicity of what that playing Play song clean
@Xavier Stewart He means the modern pipe band snare drums that don’t sound like other snares at all.
@@americanspirit8932 first off. The drums are tuned so high for a reason. They are designed to project. Unfortunately the old fashioned drums simply cannot project over a 150+ horn ensemble across a football stadium. In addition, if you think modern drum corps writing is “simple” watch Santa Clara Vanguards 2019 show for about one or two minutes and get back to me when you’re done.
@@americanspirit8932 Thanks man I needed a laugh today
The bigger the drum, the better the sound. The ultra-high tension tabletops like the yamaha are grating. The first rope drum actually sounds like a snare. That is my preference.
Ryan Alexander Bloom agreed
Ryan Alexander Bloom ya a drum set snare
Terrence Wiggins facts
Ryan Alexander Bloom nowadays that would be considered a floor Tom with snares on the bottom
Ryan Alexander Bloom Im only 15 never really been around a while so my fav is the YAMAHA sforzando but the rope drums sound awesome
Really cool comparison of different drums and sounds. I enjoyed that and your performance as well :-) Thanks. And a nice location to do that btw.
Thanks! My yard...
Some people say that the new drums ( 3:44 ) don't sound like "real" drums. After watching this video, I think it's safe to say that that It sounds the same as all the others, but with stronger, more tougher drum heads.
The second and third sound the best to me
I love the second rope drums tuning over the first one
Swaying away from the topic of how the drums sound to say: Nice rolls! They sound super good!
Hi, Tom! Your video inspired me to get my new favorite snare two months ago through Reverb, a beautiful 15 x 12 Slingerland in Blue Sparkle finish from 1965, and I cannot thank you enough for that. It is by far the best snare that I have ever played, and I have it tuned roughly halfway between the first two snares in your video. It still had the original resonant head on it when the drum arrived in the mail, but it now has an Evans UV1 batter, and a 300 Clear resonant. I use it both on its own when practicing rudiments, and as part of my drum set.
Glad to hear about your new drum, Raymond. RUclips has been an endless source of inspiration for me. I only picked up drum sticks again in 2011 after 30 years. I reconnected with old friends and organized Robbins' Rebels drum line, collected lots of drums, took up dirt bike riding, and I'm now back into guitar (and buying lots of those, too). All thanks to the fun stuff I see on RUclips, and the ability to shop on eBay, Amazon and Reverb! lol
Nice collection of drums and playing..30 year break? wow how long did it take to get your chops back. did it feel like starting over again or did you snap back fairly quickly?
That was fun. Nice playing. Hit the like button as soon as I heard that first 7. 🎉
The first 3 sound great! The Yamaha sounds like a practice pad, which is the sound they go for these days. By the way nice demo!
I have a 1958 slingerland 15 by 12 snare drum with real good for the snares sounds as good today as it did then one change I made was taking off the cats can head back then and put it in Remo heads on it fantastic drum beautiful again I had it since August of 1958 I paid $65 for it at that time I love it.
awesome! love the old school to new school snare demonstration
TDR 100 silver dot sounds great.
Me too
Yeah I'd pick that one out of the bunch as well. Best blend of clarity and power.
Definitively the first one sounds best to me. I have the Andante Scottish snare drum and it sounds "dry" more or less like the Yamaha. Thanks for sharing
The Andante is a different type of snare drum actually, it's called a pipe snare drum and the snares under both heads give it a crackle type sound. The tech is really interesting
The yamaha isn’t tuned right
No u
Christian Graham you right but as for the style I was personally introduced too this is wrong but as you said it’s a personal preference 💯 I respect that
It needs to be a little higher. I know tuning is a preference but the point of kevlar marching heads is high tension and usually when they are that low its cause the person tuning it doesnt know what they are doing. Ive never heard a dci line or even college line with kevlars sound that low.
That Cooperman is the business! It's got hair on its...............snares! I wish more outfits marched with rope snare drums and that they sounded like the Copperman!
The West Point hellcats play on them and so do most Fife and Drum course today use old cooperman drums
Check out Loyal Drums. They took over making rope drums for Cooperman
I must say, great drumming! I have 2 mid 70's TDR 'S so you know my favorite. Old dudes playing old drums. bc
I kinda wanna buy the third and second drums but I can't find them :(
www.cooperman.com/ for the rope drum. Slingerland TDR's and Ludwig Challengers can be found from time to time on eBay.
Would this be a Side-by-side side drum comparison?
Very nice! You have amazing hands!!
Thanks!
What is the rhythm you play at @2:50 called? Some kind of flams and doubles?
Elkjær he says at the end its a little ditty written by some guy I don't know so
EpicMem you're everywhere lol
Kevin Donka...you should google him...he's dope.
Your closing comments were funny
Hello Tom. Can you tell for the first drum the model please ? Thanks
1:50 love this sound 😊 thanks
To be honest I didn't really like the tunning of the yamaha snare
Same
It's not the tuning. All these later style early 1990s and later (floaters) sound like garbage. The older more relax drums and heads always sounded better, but we're so use to super cranked new stuff that it has become the norm.
Idk it might be because I only know modern drum tuning
Imo, modern marching snares sound super dumb when its just one playing but in a full line, they're buttery smooth
and not so good with 3 or 4 either, but much nicer with 8 or 9, IMHO
The first one is very soothing sounding like a concert snare drum.
I'd recommend tuning the batter side a little bit higher on the yamaha
where can we get sheet music of that "little ditty" you played on each of the drums? (and very cool video, btw)
Donka Drums on Facebook. It is from the Blue Stars Alumni Corps on-the-field warm-up. I don't know if he has posted any music of it.
Real brutal metal drummers can watch what he's playing and then duplicate it that's how we would talk is it go without music
good drumming
Thanks!
Great video. You have a great quality of sound btw.. Thanks for the vid
I like the 3rd one best
Hi Tom, Great stuff! Where did you get the "Larue" drum? Are they still manufactured. Really like the Cooperman as well, but something about that Larue really speaks to me....
It's an eBay find from several years ago. It came from back East but not sure of its history.
The rope drums sound the best!!! I've never understood how those kevlar drums caught on. They sound bad!!!!
They straight up sound like a table when cranked up. This is why I prefer mylar, which actually sounds like a snare drum even when cranked up
Because for competitive activities like drum corps, they offer better clarity at a distance and through a horn line and front ensemble
The first 2 drums sound like concert snares
Ikr? They sound really good but newer marching snares are the real marching snares. They project insanely well compared to the rope drums
that sfz could’ve sounded better with different tuning, too much too head and not enough snare response
Dill Pickle and personally I prefer the sound and feel using Remo Black max on top, given proper tuning as stated above; though those rope drums were amazing!
Yeah, head is great, but too much of it can start to be kinda uncomfortable.
That is my opinion also.
Opinions are like armpits everybody has at least two
The first one is just amazing
The smaller rope drum sounded incredible
why do I need to go to the doctor after playing
It's a Viagra joke lolol
theletteronehundred a month later I finally got it
theletteronehundred I don’t get it
Yea really
Is that supposed to be a joke but you can't tell because this guy does nothing but play snare and doesn't realize that people play the drums for very long periods of time besides doing chops on the snare all day long.
Maybe because you didn't get the joke....just sayin'..........
Any advice on tuning a high tension snare with a Mylar batter? Should I use a Mylar bottom or can I use a Kevlar bottom? I've seen people like Jeff Queen use a Mylar batter with Kevlar bottom.
i personally use kevlar batters with kevlar sides and those sound beautiful on marching drums, but i have had to use mylar sides with kevlar batters and while the sound quality isnt as good in my opinion, the method of tuning isnt any different, just dont tune as high.
Where can I get the first drum?? The LaRue.
It was something I found on eBay about 9 years ago. Also, check out Cooperman.com
@@Tom70s thank you very much.
The silver one is the best
Nice Connecticut Halftime!
Thanks!
The modern marching snares can’t hold a candle to the old rope drums. The sound like a snare is supposed to sound.
Someone tell me how many times he said “uhh”
nice collection of drums.
Cool!
Hi Tom! I am a bagpiper looking to use a drummer when playing for funerals. I want to achieve a deadened or muffled sound on the snare. We don't want to mess with his band drum, so we're looking for a drum that'll give us that sombre sound that you'd associate with funeral marches. Would a rope tension field drum or something like that be the way to go? Any suggestions? Thanks!
Check eBay for rope tension drums. A lot of inexpensive new and used ones just might do the trick. For the most expensive option, Cooperman Rope Drum at Cooperman.com specifically makes a model for funeral use.
Thanks, Tom!
Was side by side drum supposed to be a pun? Because I love it!
# 4 SOUNDS LIKE A CARDBOARD BOX AS DO MOST OF THE DRUM'S TODAY IN DCI & DCA.
FORMER MEMBER OF THE LONG ISLAND SUNRISES DRUM AND BUGLE CORPS.
Nice demo Dave. How are you doing? Great channel, will pass on. Take care, Mike Klassen
thanks for that.
Hi Sr., excellent comparison, have you ever thought doing a tutorial about tuning a vintage marching snare?
My school also uses Yamaha marching snare drum
This Kid here I don’t think anybody asked
The first rope drum. Wow!
Correction those rope snares sound like concert snares but a very thin crisp tone
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The first one all the way! That's the Drum.
Dudes got skills and good taste
I have a replica west point snare that looks just like that first one. I use it as a bedside table, and it brings a great vibe to my room.
I wanna see a battle of the first drum and the last drum
Please send the TDR to the following address! Ha! We marched TDRs in 1980 with
the Spirit of Atlanta. (silver dots as I remember) cranked to the max of course.
Thanks for posting this.
David Snead was my roommate in summer of '79 Blue Stars.
@@Tom70s I remember David. Did you know Dale Powers? He marched
snare with Blue Stars in 1978 and then marched Spirit in 1979. We were
both in the Auburn University Drum line. Lots of drummers from Auburn
marched D.C.I. (Blue Star, Phantom, Spirit, Blue Devils).Memories.
What was the brand of the Kevlar head on the Cooperman?
We have the kevlar heads made for us by REMO - we call them "The American Kevlar". They are available on our webstore.
So I bought the first drum you used there, mine very deep and bellows lol silly question perhaps, can it be tuned? Lol
Yes. Tighten the leather ears evenly down as tight as you want.
All the other drums sound AMAZING, but the sfz could be tuning way tighter. It just didnt sound like it wasn't tuned tight enough.
Wish the sound matched up to the playing. But good chops. I dig the the rope drums.
Is that second rhythm that you did for all the drums have a specific name?
I've seen and heard different nations use these drums in different videos for their marching music but probably the most unique and strange sound in the history of these marching drums was pre-ww2 Germany.
The Hitlerjugen played on these marching snares but it sounded more like a concert bass drum. My thing is how the heck does someone tune a snare like this into the sound of a concert bass drum tone? I will assume that tuning these snares are quite different than modern day snares.
the yamaha sfz looks so clean
Also after awhile I am getting drawn to the Rope drum
You Sir rip! Nice playing and fascinating to hear the spectrum of sounds.
Any idea what Scots military bands like the Black Watch played back in the 1800's?
Thanks much! Not sure about historic bands, etc.. You might check out various Facebook groups related to those. Probably lots of experts there.
Tom70s on my FB group 'Sunlit Scots' I have just posted some incredible photos from 1846 of Scots soldiers at Edinburgh Castle. Their is a drummer in 3 shots and you can clearly see his drum and sticks. Cheers
those rope drums must have been tuned by GOD so good
Dang nice chops
Where can I get rope tension drums? I love rope tension snares but cant find them anywhere
Cooperman.com. Also, check out Fife and Drum groups on Facebook, people are always selling drums.
@@Tom70s Thank you sir. I appreciate it
What is the brand name of the 1st drum he plays?
What was that cadence you played on the first rope drum?
Connecticut Halftime
Where can you buy the first one
Nice , I think I would tune the bigger drum much lower to get the full affect of their depth
Great video!
Thanks so much.
Does the Yamaha drum have the two snare setup (one under batter head, one on the bottom)?
Also, that 2nd last drum (the silver one you've had since 74') sounds amazing!
The Yamaha did not have a two snare set-up.
Connecticut halftime?
What is the name of the one before the high tension snare? Cause I know they all have names like ones a rope drum, ones a high tension snare I just don’t know what the other one is called
which one is best capable of cutting through ambient noise and carrying a good distance?
Probably the Cooperman or the Slingerland TDR.
@@Tom70s thank you 😎
how did you get that 10 lug to sound so good
Got you the 200th sub😛😉
I play for 4 hours some days some days maybe only 2 or 1 if I'm busy.
And the winner is number 3
The 1974 with the Ludwig dot head. The rest sound good but that's the best sound out of them all by far.
Frank Burdo Thankyou for your opinion
I’m glad marching drums have changed the way they did
I Love Rope Drum
wonderful tuning on all drums U kive the Slingerland and Cooperman the best but the hybrid heads do make a difference on video
I like the 2nd snare Cooperman the best and this Man has clean chops.
Thx!