Zelda: Twilight Princess' Strangest Mystery… Solved?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Twilight Princess HD features mysterious carvings on the walls of Castle Town, including characters that should be impossible. But recently, a development give us more information on the origins of these carvings.
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Hey guys, about the blur at 6:35 - I originally showed the texture with Jack's name visible, but after talking to him we decided that it's probably best to blur it for the video. Thanks for watching
seeing as apparently his name shows up right after? this makes little sense
But why??
So, assets from the game are somehow private information? Makes 0 sense.
The muriel could've made by a prophet/fortune teller before the timeline split & references the 3 timelines, as the Rito are only in 1 & the Zora looked hostile(River Zora)
But you literally said what the blurred part says anyways... why would there be any need to censor it
Video game version of
Teacher: "What did the author meant to say with these blue curtains?"
Author: "It means they have blue curtains."
tbh it be like that
Yes! Yes yes! I had a class where one girl was like "I'd bet a good deal of money that the author had no intention of half of this symbolism."
Literally, I had an English class where the person next to me and I just straight-up whispered for 20 minutes how our teacher made us over-analyze the f*ck out of these books. Like for one book, we were expected to write 2 page essay every chapter nit-picking every fooking detail and symbolism like the author left forbidden knowledge hidden away within their words of the story.
@@heroicaknight4735
And I'm sure she was immediately shat on by some proponent of Death Of The Author.
EXATCLY! Oh gotta paint a curtain... What color will make it fancier? Blue! That's it.
Then your Teacher: "Oh, blue is a color that has sad feellings, so it means the painter was sad."
"What could it mean?" "Probably just an art asset someone made up." "Haha but what if...?" "No, it's a random art asset I made." "Unless....?"
I thought you died in an atomic blast?
He does straight out say that there is a story behind it.
me: "did the woman turn into an ooccoo,,, is that link like link-link from a timeline where he just gets all 3 pieces?"
"oh wait they literally reused and hflipped layers of this drawing its probably just a random artist's day of work
*after 8 minutes of hypothetical bs* “aha nahh I’m just fucking with you, the person who designed the texture actually gave us a true answer, but my answer was longer”
Probably is just an art asset, but fans like to conjecture lore because it connects them to the world of the game…like fan art and griping.
"Twilight Princess' Biggest Mystery"
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ya this threw me off too at first haha
I had to double check I wasn't watching a Swankybox video
Lmfao
Lol
LMFAO
Yo what are the odds you would bring up L is real 2401 about a week before Luigi was actually confirmed to be in SM64, wild lol
Hey make a remix of Attacking Vah Ruta. The theme that plays when you are riding Sidon to attack Ruta.
Probably less then the odds Dream got
What do you mean?
Luigi is not in SM64??
Wdym
The carvings are depicting the events of Paper Link: The Ten Thousand Year Door. The scenes show Link and the single companion he's permitted to acknowledge at a time.
That implies we'd even *GET* a Paper Zelda 2 begin with!🤣
Zeltik: So what are these mysterious carvings and who was the extraordinary person that made them?
Jack Kirby Crosby: Huh? Oh idk, I just made them up . . .
*facepalms*
Me: . . . well at least he was honest about it
Except it doesn't answer what the original art was. He said that the source art was some Roman carving... but which one? Why did they pick that one?
@@Carikenja They were probably inspired by the reliefs of the Pantheon in Athens. The monument is famous, and the silhouettes are pretty similar. They probably don't have any significance: they were probably just intended to make the space feel like a grand castle. You have to realize that a lot of design choices for areas are based entirely on just creating an atmosphere that embodies the mood and tone that the scene taking place in it. Not everything involved in it's creation has lore significance.
@@CryptidCritter The Pantheon in Athens isn't Roman though. It's Greek. Granted, the Roman Empire copied a lot from Ancient Greece.
@@catriamflockentanz Yep. Even where the gods reside (Mt. Olympus).
YEET
0:44 I like how, just a week after you said that, L actually turned out to be true 24 years and 1 month after Mario 64´s release
lol
Always excited to hear more theories about Twilight Princess
Made the comment before finishing the video; this is more so closure than it is a theory, but the idea that the carving could eventually be significant in the future is great. I'd love to see some game happen between Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess that make the carving make some form of sense someday
I prefer the original texture in the Gamecube, this new one creates lore issues and creates more questions than answers. Personally speaking, i see it as an easter egg just like the Ballad of Gales in the game, not a real thing for the worldbuilding.
@@saricubra2867 I definitely get that; feels unnecessary when they have something using characters you recognize but has no role other than something to spark speculation, especially when it's eventually confirmed to have no purpose
Same
Damn Right!
The whole "Rito evolved from the Zora" makes me wonder if the Zora can be seperated between a freshwater and saltwater subspecies, and the whole flooding of Hyrule led to the freshwater Zora fleeing from the rising sea, to become landbound and eventually evolve further to become the Rito.
How did the occa build anything being a centaurus chicken? Original form of the occa? And the zora off else where in the wind waker.
There was the river zora and sea zora in oracle of ages, maybe it could be related to that.
There are two species of Zora. Fresh water/salt water Zora (blue/white) in OOT/MM and river Zora (green) ALTTP/ALBW.
BOTW has both and new red zoras as well.
Actually, if we consider the existence of Majoras mask, there ARE Salt and Freshwater Zora variants. In Hyrule they very explicitly live in the Ancient Cistern after all, which is 100% fresh water. In Termina they live in the ocean.
The rising sea forcing the Zora out really does make a ton of sense.
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I have a theory that the Occa we see in game are basically the Rito, but the form they take in Twilight Princess is a result of the dragon cursing them using the Mirror Shard it has.
The hylian shield is a good example of things that were explained or expanded upon in the later games.
Like how there's a red bird in link's shield but later we found out about loftwings and skyloft
Some things are better left a mystery.
First panel. "Hey can we trade this kid for this triangle thingy?" Second panel. "Hey can I trade this kid for this cool pot thing?" Third panel. "Hey can I trade this kid for that weird looking bird pet thing and it's floating head?"
Here’s my take:
The goron is young Links “brother.” In ocarina of time after the deku tree dies, and even leaving Saria and her becoming a sage, Link has no other family or bond other than his brother gorons. The man and woman aren’t necessarily people or characters, but ideas or choices of our hero. The goron is showing him that whatever path he chooses, it will still lead to his destiny as the hero.
The woman could represent the adult timeline with the Rito. She carries an urn representing the death of old hyrule and the birth of a new one. (Alternatively, women with children in art can sometimes be seen symbolically as fertility or birth or rebirth. So a new hyrule being born after Wind Walker). The picture with the man can represent the child timeline. Our hero who is a boy will soon grow into a man. There is no rebirth, but instead maturation, change and coming of age. So that’s why the Zora and Oocca are there, there is no new hyrule but it has grown.
So my theory is that this is just showing us the two paths our *successful* hero (emphasis on successful) will take after the events of ocarina of time :)
I think this is the best theory about the reliefs that I've read so far, it makes a lot of sense, especially if maybe one of the Zelda's (either OOT Zelda or one before TP started) had a vision because of their powers or the Triforce of Wisdom that Link going back created different timelines. It does make me wonder if they didn't see the downfall timeline or just refused to acknowledge it. It they just ignored it, though, I have to wonder why. But long story short lol, I like your theory.
I like this theory a lot. I imagine the Gorons would become the closest thing Link would have as a family following OoT. Unless Malon got jealous… 😏
Honestly I've always just assumed they were meant to represent the re conversion of all the timelines into BOTW in a metaphorical sense rather than a forgotten tale of the Hero of Time. With the Rito and the Zoras being in the same location, Hero of time representing the child timeline etc.
Either way in most cases the mystery themselves is more captivating than the answer we eventually get. So I look at this the same way, not disappointed the answer leaves a lot to be desired, just intrigued at the possibilities such a mural could have represented.
Lot's of people who are fans of any game ever needs to see this video. Props to Kirby for his quick reply. Games are littered with these little gems: I remember trying to decode the letters on a sign in OOT when I was a wee lad, only to much later (after giving up) notice all the sings were the same. One of the funniest dissapointments of my early life.
Hold on, you're telling me game developers just do things for the hell of it and don't analyse 30 years of game history to implant lore into their games?
My interpretation always has been that Child link went on to have a few more adventures in his time in Hyrule, most often just being a delegate or Ambassador of the Royal family. If we then accept that Link made contact with the Gorons, Rito and Oocca, a few more connections line up.
The Snowpeak mansion has pictures of the Oocca, despite them apparently being legend. Well they would be more than legend to someone who interacted with them and was a delegate to them. Bringing up the thought that the Snowpeak mansion once belonged to Link.
His acquaintance with the Gorons also explains why he trusted them to keep his bow to pass on to the heir to his bloodline
And the rito likely just evolved in a different way in this timeline. In real world evolution, one species evolving does not necessarily mean the destruction of the prior species. Evolution can be caused by a species being separated for example.
What's with the Triforce though? Well Twilight Princess also tells us that people were corrupted in their seeking out of the triforce, so lying about it's true location would mislead people in their search for it
One thing that people seem to miss is that the stone carvings don't necessarily have to depict a story that actually happened in-universe - they could be legends or fables. If the existence of Rito doesn't make sense in this timeline, the carvings could just be portraying a fable involving birdmen that never actually existed, for example
Anyone wishing that Nintendo would give more information on the Breath of the Wild sequel? Keep up the good work, Zeltik.
Hopefully there will be a trailer on the July 20th direct that's rumored to happen
There's a semi-credible rumor indicating that there will be a direct on the 20th. If that indeed is the case then I really hope we get to see more of the sequel. It's been over a year since it's initial trailer.
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i wonder if its actually a prequel, set 100 years before botw, because ganon is in it even though he died in botw
@@shwibbleglibble7197 lol nope
I just wanna know more about Demise
What's to know? Be evil demon man. Fight Goddess lady for pretty triangles. Get turned into scaly teeth monster. Get murdered by young boy and get stuck with a robot sword roommate as your conscious slowly erodes. Standard stuff.
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That’s kind of the timing, though, he’s super uninteresting because there is like, no info on him. He’s just evil. Like, who are his parents, where did he go to university, where does he work out because he’s super swole, stuff like that.
@@ched.sulyvahn2105 it was elmo
that much i know
Do you always have suicidal tendencies?
If there's a story up for interpretation, I'd love for it to be this; the story of a time when an incarnation of Ganon, a Ganondorf, who didn't start out evil, and was allied with that cycle's incarnation of Link and Zelda.
Glad to see you back, buddy.
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My interpretation: perhaps the races at one point were living in peace (including links family) but ganon brainwashed the rito to terrorize hyrule, and the occocos, zora and hylians team up to battle ganon and the rito
2:37 The ritos are doing the peace sign just because
Anyone who's ever run a D&D game knows exactly how this feels
I've watched enough puffin forest and dingo doodles to feel this.
But in Arcadum's case, the connections are intentional.
"Theorizing isn't about figuring out the developer's intention." Thank you for this simple sentence, I just know I'm going to be pitching it back to people regularly
@@Chad_Eldridge i understand and i agree. my point in highlighting this particular sentence wasn't to encourage people to throw out the creator's intentions out of hand. i just appreciate the mentality that said intentions arent the endgame. we shouldnt stop theorizing just because the creator confirmed there was no intent or specifics behind something. theorizing can also be filling the blanks and making the connections ourselves going off what we're given, even if it's something we know for a fact wasn't intended to be interpreted any certain way.
I love writing stories, so here's how I interpreted the mural carvings in a three-part story:
The First Sector: The Races of Hyrule communicating and forging a bond with the reincarnations of the triumvirate: Ganondorf, Princess Zelda, and Link however in this one it looks like Ganondorf is not in fact evil but rather a man representing strength of the Gerudo and the desire to reintroduce the Gerudo people back into Hyrule, a land renown on its flourish due to the blessings of the goddesses and the peoples' fealty to them. Why the sector represents a Goron in particular is interesting, and so it could be the starts of a communion with the Goron people themselves and not the other races as a whole. Something here is significant to the Gorons for them to be in this particular panel, and not any other race or figure.
The Second Sector: The woman is burdened with a great task and her protector is Link. The Rito people are introduced and stand on either side, with support to the back and welcome to the front. The man is nowhere to be seen, but that means he is removed for a time; perhaps back to care for his people and leaving Link to fend after the woman alone. Whatever responsibility she carries is extremely important, and revolves around the Rito. It is possible to conclude that the Rito are in a dire circumstance and are at a point in their culture that calls for change, a change that will affect their race as a whole.
The Final Sector: This one is going to get complicated -- The man has returned and stands by Link, suggesting support and aid however the woman is nowhere to be seen. Instead we see the Occa and offspring (Occa Junior) charging forth towards the Zora, who seems to be brandishing a weapon. Whether or not this particular action or depiction is a result of the First or Second, I would not know. I also would not normally suggest the Zora, of all races, to be hostile towards the Hylian or non-aquatic races of the land however this would not be impossible as it is happened before; previous games suggest, especially in the Hero Dies timeline, that the Zora would slowly mutate into monsters under the influence of corruption, darkness, and dismissal of the goddesses. It is quite possible that whatever was tasked to the woman/maiden in the Second Sector would ultimately lead to repairing whatever rift formed between the Zora and other races. Mayhaps something occurred from within that led to the corruption and allowed Ganondorf to play as a support-character this time around (however due to being the avatar of Demise, it would have to occur sometime post-cycle or with some form of anomaly to separate that dark intent from the Gerudo King). Either the woman used the blessing of the goddesses and whatever she burdened to become the first Occa and transform the Rito people into Occa as well in order to aid the Zora, or she used whatever power she had to turn the Rito into Occa to confront the Zora and their issues. It's hard to say how diverse Rito and Occa truly are since lore dictates Occa built the massive City in the Sky, or how changing/saving a race would save yet another, but this is just my theory and interpretation of the mural.
Feel free to add or amend these! I'd love to see what you guys come up with!
zeltik: "L is real isn't true"
everyone: *laughs in N64 gigaleak*
absolutely in love with how the link in these carvings is just the same image seemingly randomly slapped onto the pics
it just looks like he wandered onto set i love it
9:40 you absolutely nailed one of the big things I've always loved about this series. The mystery, room for imagination and theorizing given the interconnectedness of all of them. Especially when I was a kid and couldn't/didn't know how (there probably was already a bunch of info or at least theories on the timelines online already on forums or something) to look it up online; it always gave me such a sense of wonder! Although there are generally accepted timelines now and I know them, I still like to think about the ideas I had as a kid while I play from time to time 😊
I was Just Watching His Zelda Movie Theory.
The Kid Icarus Anime Mini Series Did it Best.
Love your take on this and getting a closer look at the work of a designer
I think looking at both Watsonian and Doyleist perspectives (in canon vs author reasons) is incredibly important and making sure not to forsake one for the other
I always thought it was depicting the timeline split. The first box illustrating OOT with Darunia, the middle the absence of the hero in the child timeline as he sides with Zelda, and finally the adult timeline as it depicts Ganondorf.
9:34 I think botw takes place so far in the future (from OOT) that it's at the end of all the timelines as the point of reconvergence, which explains why there's references to each timeline
Chrono Cross Merger, I say. Something happened after AoL, FSA, and ST that reunited the split timelines and is either the first Great Calamity 10,000 years before BotW or the run-in with Ganon that PRECEDES that incident.
Ok, Here we go. These 3 panels depict the 3 separate timelines. I'm assuming these were a prophetic carving from one of the Sages, and was recreated as a mural to display around Hyrule Castle.
In the first panel you have the current timeline. The adult male in these panels is clearly a knight of some kind. So the man and the woman in the first panel is Link(Ocarina of time),Malon, and Link Junior(Twilight) meeting with a Goron probably Darunia... About the Triforce.
The second panel is describing the adult timeline where link is with his grandma and some reto.
And the third is link from a link to the past in the downfall timeline with his father who is also a knight.
The adult male figure does seem to be wearing a tunic
i like this idea. maybe not completely onboard with there being 2 links in the first panel, the idea that the mural depicts the 3 timelines is cool. moreso with them saying the hd remake might give players hints about breath of the wild given that it's supposedly the end of all of them.
That's pretty clever, Blinx the Red One (love your name btw)
@@janTesika thanks and double thanks :D
@@ZainKaneko Well... it's just because the father of Link from Twilight Princess... was Link... from Ocarina of Time
I've always felt the carvings show the life of the Hero of Time after Majora's Mask.
The timelines themselves wren't even intended, at least at first.
Nintendo added it waaaay later, and I believe there are still holes, but that just happens when you do these kind of things.
Particularly curious is how BoTW features elements from all three timelines, as if they merged at some point. That could be a future story in and of itself.
seeing as there’s 3 panels, i kind of see it as a representation of the Child, Adult, and Downfall timelines respectively. the triforce is in the background of the child timeline because, well, that’s the timeline they’re in so that’s the possibility that happened/that the triforce exists within (for them)
as far as in-game lore, maybe the stone worker was blessed with some kind of Visions from the gods, and was compelled to make them without really knowing what they meant
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I got a theory of my own as to how Rito and Zora can live together, and it's fairly simple really. Remember how there are two Zora tribes, the river Zora and the sea Zora? Well in the downfall timeline, the river Zora become monstrous, but in the child and adult timelines, I think that with the gods still having a good amount of influence on the world, they eventually became the Rito, some of the sea Zora migrating into the rivers over time to occupy the newly left unoccupied waterways in the child timeline. It might also similarly be that once Link manages to prevent Ganon's revival at the end of the downfall timeline, the monstrous river Zora also become Rito over time. This is the only way in which I can explain why Breath of the Wild would take place in the child or downfall timelines.
As for the Adult timeline. Hyrule is gone in that timeline. The Master Sword is irretrievable, the triforce is permanently sealed away, alongside the blade of evil's bane and the petrified corpse of Ganondorf. I do not see a way for Breath of the Wilds taking place in the Adult timeline.
I was thinking the two adults in the pictures were botw links parents, as it was implied that link used to live in hateno village before he became a knight/champion. as a child he and his family traveled around for just how they saw fit
I think that a Gordon tribe had the tri-force and gave it to a group of Hylians (portrayed as zelda,link and ganondorf because they were the ones who got the parts of the tri-force) who were tasked with giving it to three different races the Rito, the Zora and the oka but the hylians kept the tri-force and instead gave other gifts to the three races. The Rito accepted the gift not knowing what the tri-force is but the Ooccoo and the Zora knew about the tri-force and did not accept the gifts because they wanted the parts of the tri-force they were supposed to have been given and then left. And after that had happened the parts of the tri-force were given to link, zelda and Ganondorf
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1:55 the first panel to me looks like Adult Zelda, Adult link, and child link I think it represents how link had to find the sages on ocarina of time with the help of zelda as she was disguised as sheik also going through time having to change everything
9:13
I agree 100%
I like to think that all three designs represent or three timelines from a npc creators imagination in game and he dreams it and chiselled it like a future teller
The mural reminds me a lot of the beginning of Samurai Jack. Where a young jack is led all around the world to train his abilities to fight Aku
I think the implied story is Link acting as some sort of diplomat connecting the races of Hyrule, perhaps in a treaty of peace. The inclusion of the Rito could mean that they evolved already in the Child timeline, but perhaps were elsewhere during the events of Twilight Princess.
Video game concept artist here (at least at some point in my career).
Lemme tell you, most of these little details in most games usually boil down to an artist thinking something looks cool, and maybe making up a little personal story for them, but they hardly ever have any real significance to the game. There are some games that do rely on non-textual narrative through environment design (like a LOT of what From Software makes), but those instances are usually made a focus through environmental and ambience design as well.
You're 100% right that part of the fun in theorizing about Zelda lore is picking up these bits and pieces and just making up something in our heads for it, and I'm also sure that Jack Kirby Cosby is actually really pleased with himself by knowing that his little imagined story conveyed through texture redesign has got people's imaginations running :)
I think the mural might be depicting (what seems to be) the only time ever that the reincarnations is finally showing a different ages that Ganon, Zelda, and Link were reincarnated into. Indicating a possible instance in the timeline where Link passed away years after Zelda who died shortly after Demise/Ganon.
Thus Link being significantly younger than even Zelda. And all three of them present when the unidentified Goron presents them with a piece of the Tri Force. I know its an odd and kind of blasphemist of me to suggest but i think these carvings tell a story of Link as the child of Zelda and an, at the time, not evil Ganon based on how the child next to the woman looks as though he is collecting water alongside his mother and the one with the man and the Zorra could be Ganon teaching his son to fight. That would definately put a surprising twist on the reincarnations and the triforce components, Power, Wisdom, and Courage. The father representing power and how that power can corrupt easily with demise slowly taking over, the mother representing wisdom and possible discovery of knowledge of her past life which puts her and her son in danger, and the child representing courage, after noticing changes in a loving fathers behavior having to build up the strength to purge the evil inside him by killing him.
Not going to lie that would be a damn heart wrenching game especially if they use the child Link model throughout the whole thing. Meaning no Adult/young adult Link unless it were like an epilogue just before the credits.
I would pay out the nose for a game like that
3:38 the shining lines from the triforce are directly connected from the other artworks. So those things would have happened on the same time. And the woman in the second artwork must be a gerudo cuze of what she wears to her face if i see right. PRETTTYYY SIGNIFICIENCE
0:22 turns out "L is real" after all. Crazy timing
Oh so I’m EARLY early (Notif Squad)
Just wanted to share my thoughts on the storied depiction based on common knowledge of Zelda Time History these carvings indicate the foretelling of what took place 10,000 years before Breath of The Wild Calamity Gannon in the Events that lead up to the prosperity of Hyrule.
Well... that was unexpected lol. I guess the only thing left to add is that the lady with the “ urn “ for now, is seen in the temple where you get the dominion rod. If you look at the carvings near the staircase, you see a bunch of people (ancient Hylians ?), two of them standing out the most; one with the dominion rod and one with the exact same looking “ urn “.
The left panel depicts OoT with Link, Ganondorf and Zelda trying to gain the Triforce. The middle shows Link and Zelda in WW trying to rebuild Hyrule from it's ashes. The right is TP with Ganondorf shadowing Link through his adventure.
The L is real texture from Super Mario 64 is present in Ocarina of Time, as well. You can find it on a tablet in Dodongo Cavern's top floor.
You're like the VaatiVidya of The Legends of Zelda. And it's more than just the charming accent. Excellent videos I always look forward to.
"Of course this (L is real 2401) isn't true"
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Hey Zeltik! Loving your videos! I got one idea on your next video! You can make something about Lanayru Desert from Skyward Sword , no one talks about it, but I think it is pretty internesting and mysterious, like some talk about Ancient Civilizacion that lived there, or why it became desert, or Skipper's family, or how was Scervo pirate able to live so long, or how it became a desert. There are lot of uncovered questions, so I would love your opinion about it!
What if the carvings depict how the timeline split up after defeating Ganon in Ocarina of Time? The one with the Goron depicting OoT itself with child Link, the Rito one depicting the adult timeline with toon Link, and the Zora/Oocca one depicting the child timeline after OoT? The way the light from the Triforce shines throughout all of the carvings could tell how the one event from OoT impacted the other two events.
I like the idea that it's the triforce holders joining together to face a far greater threat, and a rehabilitation of the dark king
I think the concept of a child Link traveling around the world, RPG hero party style, with a couple of adults is just really funny to think about. He's the Hero of... whatever this Link is the "Hero" of, and yet the other two would absolutely have to babysit him the whole way. "Link, please eat your vegetables," "Link, it's past your bedtime, go to sleep," "Link, no, you can't run into that monster-filled dungeon, you'll get hurt."
I say we lean into Jack's situation and build the lore from there. Considering it's implied Hyrule expanded northward in the child timeline (hence why the Temple of Time is in the far south) Hyrule Castle would have needed to be rebuilt. The royal family commissioned many artists to design and decorate Hyrule castle, but gave them more or less free reign to do whatever they pleased. The artisans they hired were fans of the old artwork but weren't intending to tell a coherent story, so they just carved images they'd seen in older reliefs.
This mural was what got me into Zelda lore. I must admit I’m equally disappointed and intrigued.
But now I wonder even more what Aonuma meant about TP being an “Origin Point.” Perhaps he’s referring to the Divine Beasts that I imagine are inspired by the Light Spirits. What do you think?
In these textures it could be that the hero of time travels through different timelines like wind waker.
And before someone says "it's only 'cause it looks cool" I know, I'm just imagining it
Perhaps the story is about something like Link helping restore balance and peace between the three races similar to how the full triforce is a harmony of the three separate pieces.
I guess what I see from the mural is that the Ocarina of Time probably had a different power we weren't aware of and Link is traveling to different timelines.
It might be random, but Kirby made a good game idea to explore in my opinion: What if after Mask, Child Link travels back to Hyrule, but not the one he knew. Ganon is good, an ally to Hyrule and Zelda is an adult and joins them as an emissary to the Rito tribe in otherwise unexplored Hyrule while exploring more unknown Hylian lands (such as boTW full map) and uncovering a new dark prophecy coming to light.
I think the carvings mean that link, zelda, and ganondorf (possibly after the curse of demise was broken) are going around and helping people with the triforce.
I always think that the Zora in botw were saltwater Zora that evolved to be freshwater, and the Rito evolved from river Zora. I think a lot of people forget that, early in the series, there were river Zora that were considered enemies prior to friendly Zora in oot
Fans: What does it all meeeeean?
Designers: Eh, just looked cool lol!
I really like the discussion of developer intention and lore. It's an excellent insight to how these games can be viewed with so many different perspectives
My interpretation would be that the first panel is Link and the King and Queen of Hyrule seeking out the sages to arrest Gannondorf, hence Darunia. The other two are split timelines, one being how link's absence in the adult timeline caused the events of Wind Waker, hence the Wind Waker style Rito, and the the other being the creation/continuation of the Ooccoo as a result of the child timeline.
I would argue that possible content would be that the Rito did evolve in the child timeline, probably living far in the mountains like they do in BOTW. It could be that this made them far out on the edges of Hyrule, so when they saw that Ganondorf had returned and was turning everything to Twilight they had enough time to flee. Or perhaps they do still live in Hyrule, living with the Occa in other flying sky structures we and Ganondorf never gained Access too (like Medoh in BOTW). And maybe the order of the creatures too shows the old relationship between races, with the Hylians being closed to the Gorons, then the Rito in their floating palaces and then the Zora.
I guess one way you could look at it is, regardless what timeline or world, the hero of time always will be there growing up, with or without Zelda, Ganondorf or the Triforce or even certain races.
On the third picture of the carvings in castle town, it is Oocca and Oocca Jr. looking at a Zora. I wonder if the Zora in the picture has relevance in the timeline, for example Ruto being one of the Sages. That's a bit of a push, but what if the Zora in the picture has some other title.
For anyone curious about the origin of the SD textures, it's not actually a roman relief, but is actually a segment of the continuous frieze of the Parthenon in Athens repeated over and over.
Love the placement of "Midna's lament"
These carvings may come to be alive one day! Cheers for the video 😄
Ya know those stone carvings make perfect sense in context of breath of the wild. Links father was a royal knight. Link was a skilled fighter even as a child. Its not out of the question that link would have met the gorons or the rito prior to becoming zeldas bodyguard we know he had a good relationship with the Zora as well. The occa are the odd ones here but still whose to say they aren't alive in BotW just not helping at all.
I think the story is telling us the events of what happend right after Link returned from the future, Link and several guards set out to inform the people of Hyrule of what happend in the Adult Timeline, Link accompanying them as proof of the events since he had the Triforce mark, but once the people were warned, Link was sent to Termina to keep the Ocarina safe. The Urn could possibly be the King of Hyrule, as it's possible he was still killed in the child timeline following Ganondorfs failed attempt to overthrow the Kingdom, and the two people are just ambassadors of the royal family.
As for the Rito...I dont know, I guess maybe they exist off screen or something.
I think you it got it right, Zeltik, especially with the trophy/Goddess Hylia example. The Zelda fandom wants to dissect every picture and symbol and sometimes it's just because "it looked cool" to the person making/designing it.
I mean, the main theme was composed pretty much overnight by Koji Kondo. Who hasn't had a last-minute-get-it-in-before-midnight project? It honestly kinda makes me laugh that the fandom spent years theorizing over this.
My opinion is that it's a Hyrulian ideal of peace. A reincarnation of Zelda, link and ganondorf joined together spreading peace to every race in Hyrule. That would be the Hyrulian dream
"Of course, this isn't true"
Oh, you thought?
Maybe it’s an ancient series of carvings depicting the Hylians befriending all the races? Like, a descendant of the Link from Skyward Sword may have gone on an adventure to meet up with Gorons, Rito, Zora, and Oocca to introduce them to the Triforce and essentially spread their religion in order to make alliances. Alliances that are mostly still strong many thousands of years later.
It may seem strange that a race like the Rito would be “ancient”, but those carvings probably aren’t depicting anything recent if you ask me.
personally, i think the carvings depict the heros of the triforce, with Ganon being a hero in one game, after so many incarnations of him being evil, and the true, evil ganon's iterations finally being slayed, the new incarnation of the wielder of the triforce of power is instead a strong, quiet man, who struggles with the power he holds, and the carvings depict the three triforce wielder's journey to set wrongs right.
That may not be it, but it would be a fun game to play as Link, Zelda, and ganon, who occasionally team up during different points in their stories to make things better for everyone!
seems like a lot of the pillars have the carvings facing the other direction. this makes more sense as a story line, since the man and woman and link are brought together and then the triforce is there.
If we wanted to give an explanation, I think we still could. The rito and zoras exist at the same time in BotW so maybe a branch of the zora migrated outside hyrule (just like the gerudo in TP) and evolved to rito. The hero of time had an unknown mission outside Hyrule where these species lived and as a tribute, his adventures were carved in the walls, but it’s just a theory, A GAME THEORY. I’ll just go hide
Luigi just got found.
I think the Downfall timeline might be my favorite Zelda timeline. Something about it just reasonates with me.
The man has Ganondorf's nose (TP) and hair in the mural. He also doesn't seem to have pointed ears. I feel that may have some significance.
the first panel of the carvings with child link and the couple in front of the triforce and gordon remind me of when in the bible joseph and mary presented their son to the temple to be like blessed or something. it makes me think the couple in the panels could be interpreted as link’s unknown parents. would be cool to see nintendo develop this idea into a future storyline involving link’s mom and dad.
to me it looks like a sort of Origin of the Triforce - maybe the man and woman are Ganon/Demise and Zelda/Hylia, and it's showing them sharing the triforce's power with each other species found in Hyrule
When you talked about the lost woods temple in ocarina of time talking about how it may be related to another royal family. I was thinking, in the lost woods temple, the whole environment seemed warped, acting as if Link was walking through a type of portal. Now, when link was traveling through the lost wood in Majora's mask making is way to Termina, I feel as if there is a link to the lost woods temple and Termina seeing how there may be a gate way and relation between these two lands.
More thought needs to be give on created assets. If you want to have some nod to a thing from elsewhere, have an npc mention something odd about it, or a mini quest to find someone to document these peculiar findings...
I guessed your little twist ending way ahead of time, M. Night Shammalammadingdong.
I think it would make sense if some of the Zora did evolve into the Rito in the Child timeline -- and then evolved into the Oocca.
So the answer is like how I feel 90% of all background stuff. Just something to fill stuff in that looks cool but sparks our imagination. Either way still adore this remake so nice work Jack.
*I think there's a character who made up stories like this about the hero in-universe too, and that's why these carvings are here :p