EcoFlow Delta Review How Well Does it Work in Real World Usage
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- The EcoFlow Delta 1300 Ultimate Real World Review is finally here!
I tested and used the Delta for over a month to see what it could and could not do. To be clear, the real-world results GREATLY differ from the listed specs.
On some things, it did better than the specs like being able to have 600w of solar panels connected instead of the 400w they say it can handle.
Then, on the other hand, it did worse than the specs said like being able to run heavy-duty equipment off of the 1800w inverter.
Find out all of the details in this video review.
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*I love the Input/Output wattage function along with the % of charge remaining. solar **Generater.Systems** Well done.*
I just bought one with three solar panels because during a power outage long-term the refrigerator is going to be your most important thing if not the most important thing during a long-term blackout
One thing I like about the EF Delta is the built-in transfer switch. When it is plugged into the wall, it will use AC power from the wall to power it's outlets. So when you have rolling black-outs, you can plug it into the wall, and then plug a refrigerator into the Delta. When power is on, fridge runs on wall power. When AC power fails, the Delta switches over, and starts making its own power with the inverter, and the fridge continues to run. When power comes back on, the Delta switches back to AC power to run the fridge, and also begins to recharge. All automatic. This is awesome.
But I want to know if the EF Delta will run a sump pump. If it does, it could be a great stand-by set-up when you anticipate power failures when severe weather is coming in.
Very helpful information. While I understand your affinity for the Titan (especially for the way you use a generator), I believe you've made a case for the place of the Delta for those who aren't living off-grid and simply want a back-up power source to have on hand for emergency situations. It definitely isn't a whole-house solution for the long haul, but for significantly lower cost than the Titan, it can provide peace of mind for those unanticipated power-loss situations. For someone simply hoping to keep a fridge running (even if just cycling it), run a few lights and fans, I think you've demonstrated that the Delta will do nicely. Thanks for putting this unit to the test and sharing the results (and especially the things to watch out for).
This was a great review. Lots of details, numbers and real world situations. Big thumbs up!
Thanks Andy!
@@minutemanprep ditto
After reading many reviews and watching a lot of videos, I chose this option for my first backup power station. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHypYDKHAN93Lp2RQpfvU_ksc70wJ00pt I was between this and a larger option that could power a wider range of items, but the price/size/capacity blend seemed right for this unit. Hasn't gotten a ton of use yet, but the build quality is solid and it charges fine via the Rockpals solar panel I purchased to pair with it. One thing to note is that the screen is optimized for a top down viewing angle, which makes sense, but this means it washes out at other angles - especially low angles. Not a huge deal, but perhaps a better option for the display could be used to provide wider viewing angles.
Thank you Ben! A lot of us depend on your honest reviews!
Happy to help!
That low solar charge until you disconnect, reconnect was a great tip!
Ya I was surprised by that one.
Anyone ask Ecoflo about the issue? I leave my solar panels connected as I’m using AC plugged in just to recharge the unit as a back up in a power failure, since I have both my home freezer and my side by side home fridge connected as a UPS back up system to guarantee power while I’m away from home. I never really checked if the panels charge at a lower speed if you don’t disconnect and reconnect every day. That would be a problem. I bought my Delta in July 2021, so I could get the 160 watt solar panels, and soon the Delta Pro will be available which should run your heavy duty power tools , and they are coming out with add on battery packs and a gas generator which could top off the batteries (or be used independently) for extended power outages and extended cloudy days. The plans are also to add a solar “tracker” to automatically keep the panels pointed towards the sun all day. However those items are now in just “kickstart “ status, so you don’t know “for sure” when they will be available on retail
The Gofort ua1100 does the same thing, even with the wall charger. This unit has other issues so is being returned
That’s a great unit. My brother is running one on his small beach cabin in Puerto Rico 24/7 with a few lights and a small fridge.
That's aweseome
Fully agree with you about the screen turning off without the ability to keep it on - it's been my biggest problem also. And like you I've also sometimes had to unplug the solar and then plug back in to get full solar charge. I wonder if it has something to do with the built in MPPT tracking going wonky.
Anyway thanks for the review.
If the fans are still going when the output has stopped then clearly the system held back some power for the fans. Hence 33 mins output rather than 42 possibly. The manual does say you may have to wait 2-3 hours aftter a high rate discharge before being cool enough to charge. Discharge at low rate, then no wait. Or you can charge while using, but may hit high temp shutoff anyway. It's safe but temp safety features may be annoying. Nice video.
Good review - I like it when people discover issues with products. The poor surge capability and unreliable charge controller make this a bit of letdown.
Hey Ben, the problem with the solar input getting "stuck" at 70 watts in full sun may be an issue with the MPPT controller that they are using. The panel voltage vs. current output curve sometimes has "local maximums" that cause the controller to think that it's at the max power point, especially when you very gradually increase the amount of sun available to the panel, such as going from predawn darkness to morning light. When the panel is unplugged then plugged back in, it moves from zero output to full sun output very quickly and the MPPT controller doesn't get "stuck" at a local maximum on its way up the power output curve. Higher quality MPPT controllers have algorithms that can detect these "local maximum" power points to get past them and find the true max output point. If you have a partly sunny day where the sun comes in and out of the clouds frequently or if you shade and unshade the panels, this will often get it "unstuck" off the "local maximum" and move to the true maximum. I've actually had this happen to me with the Titan occasionally on cloudless days when the available light on the panels increased very slowly from pre-dawn to morning light. It usually self corrects once the sun goes behind a cloud and re-emerges to full sunlight.
Thanks for sharing that's very insightful. I've never had that happen with my Titan. It's been running for over 3 months non stop at our cabin and it's never done. Either way it's good to know.
@@minutemanprep That's most certainly a software update, not an issue with the hardware
The observations I made about the flexible solar panels is they did not stay in alignment of declination of about 12 to 17% angle to collect the value of adequate polar input. Based on their mounting situations they need to be made either at a 12 to 17 percent angle flat surface that is stable so they cannot bend.
Stable mounting on a solar tracking table or a modified auto track table that actually keeps alignment to where the sun is in the sky will increase the total value of what you collect per day. If you have a automated tracker that doesn't require you going out and tending to it 24/7 then that would be a good suggestion. Echo flow does offer a very expensive one but a homeowner that likes to be a do-it-yourself type approach can also make one quite easily that is automated or able to track the sun it's just a matter of what you're willing to put up with and how you're willing to install it. The average solar panel is usually going to be set out at 12:00 to 17% angle rating to the South or Southwest Sun valley of the location. During the course of the day you're going to have a 25% rating till about 10:00 a.m. 100% rating at 12:00 noon a negative 25% down at 2:00 p.m. and then at end of day if the panel is turned physically towards the sunset or is on a platform that can be rotated in the correct direction then that would be a key ideal for afternoon solar collection that would add to the total amount collected for the day until about 4 to 7:00 p.m. when the Sun goes down based on location. The ambient collection of solar is based on a principle of 10 12 or 17% rate of tilt of the panel and that it stays either flat in that tilted position or stable that it doesn't bow backwards as a flexible panel would be more inclined to be put on a RV or a modified surface that is bendable. Based on my experience with amorphous style panels they tend to be more flexible based on what they're willing to completeAs the daily collection task when monocrystalline or high-powered industrial sized solar panels are not used. The switching of the concept of using amorphous versus the strict use of higher power situations where you get more sunlight per day is the key crutch of this problem you have to be able to switch the array to either high power collection or ambient power collection the amorphous panels tend to have more acceptable transference of the solar energy and keep the percentage of solar output to the battery charging system quite level and usually above or at expectation of 12 to 16 volts per combined panel setup. Which is quite good because if you have four six 12 or 16 of these types panels that are amorphous you can actually achieve a far better percent transfer of the collected solar to your charging system. It's nice to have both because if you need to switch gears between high input during the summer and low input during the winter it's basically your addressing both seasons that way the charging system has the chance to do its job properly.
22:20 You can extend the cable between the saw and ecoflow as 50 feet, it takes off the peak current so ecoflow does not go out
Great review, Ben. I
Started researching solar backups 6 months ago, and your videos and input have been extremely helpful. I received my Delta 6 weeks ago, and I have played around with it. I used it during a couple of power outage. During one of the outages, I completed a cycle on my washing machine, which impressed my wife. Another time I was able to brew cups of coffee on my Keurig and it made me realize the wattage used to brew coffee. I ordered the Delta when I realized my Titan would not be delivered until June. I debated between the Delta and the Bluetti, but the price on the delta was less expensive. I'm still experimenting with the Delta. I plan to use it to augment power when the Titan arrives. I've contacted Delta to inquire about chaining the Deltas. It seems Ecoflow is consumed with the kickstart on the R600, so no response yet.
Yes, according to the manual, you can daisy chain up to x3 units. : )
I was debating between the Bluetti EB150 and Delta and I settled on the Delta because of the higher inverter output. If you can get away with the 1Kw output of the EB150 it's usually on sale cheaper and has nearly 50% more usable capacity as well as rated for more battery cycles--I'm still not 100% sure I made the right choice, honestly.
You now (September 2021) have the option of daisy chaining up to 2 Ecoflow battery packs to a Delta Pro model for extended run times without having to buy 2 Pro models. The Delta (not Pro models) don’t have that capability yet, so you would have to buy 2 Delta’s. They are also coming out with (kickstarter again!) an add on gas generator to keep all the batteries topped off for extended power outages and extended cloudy days, or use independently as a small gas generator by itself with “auto start” and “auto stop” for you to set to come on if the batteries are for example, down to 20%, and then kick off when the battery is back up to 50-80% level (your choice). However no “guaranteed” date on when that would be coming out, but the reviews are hopeful (except everyone wants a dual fuel propane option which is not currently in the plans…hope Ecoflow is LISTENING)!
Ben, I saw the same thing with a chop saw. Mine stated 1300 watts on the saw nameplate.
Plus, when EcoFlow came out with the chain-able claim, and stated that they would honor the super early bird price ($799), I bought a 2nd one (hey, almost 2.6kWh for $1598 "sounded good"). So, I tried it too, and the same results...the Delta just couldn't do it.
I have more to share on round-trip charging, round trip discharging, and, the real chain-ability efficiency results, but, I was waiting on your return email from Feb 10th on the subject.
Thanks for sharing that's really good to know.
Delta is great but it can't handle the startup amps which to me makes the 3300w surge pointless if it can't even handle that for at least 3-5 sec
Every time he says condenser, he really means compressor! Good video!
Excellent review i stay in Austria finding it hard to get the jackery 1000 so the only option is this Delta. useing it for prepper in case of long term outage i can see it wont be a long term option but its better than nothing. Liked and subbed thanks bud.
Thanks =)
Good video. I bought two deltas for portable video equipment for live streaming. So far I'm pretty impressed, but definitely took note of your concerns. Thanks.
Great review. Was somewhat familiar with the ECOFLOW series, recently found the Delta 1300 for sale at Costco so I bought it. Very informative ref Pro's and Cons of this system. I've been using Goal Zero prior to this. That Titan Solar Generator is a beast.
One thing that be a great suggestion is on cloudy days use a solar array that is geared towards amorphous type solar panels that way you'll get a higher input level from amorphous style solar panels that actually conduct more activity in low light situations. It can be even raining and they still will collect actual power during a non Sunny event. So basically what I'm suggesting is that on cloudy or poor weather days that don't have enough actual physical rays that are coming through the clouds then you have ambient type solar needs to have to be met. Which amorphous style panels can actually be hooked up to this it's going to take more panels mind you but it's actually going to get the job done for the input levels that you desire. That way as you charge this unit with either four or 600 watts on amorphous panels you can easily achieve that because they will be willing to do the work that mono crystalline solar panels are not willing to do. This key fact is one of the things that you need to disclose to your website viewers that amorphous style solar panels are willing to do a lot more input values than monocrystalline solar panels which will do high input on a sunny day but on a cloudy day they basically turn off or reduce down to 1/4 of their event cycle of collection of solar power. This particular observation is done from someone in the Pacific Northwest where we have tons of rain cloudy days are common and the collection of solar happens far better on amorphous style solar panels then regular monocrystalline panels that have higher ratings for full sun. Think of it as switching gears between panel arrays keep one panel array based on high output collection on sunny days and on cloudy or overcast intermittent solar input that would be the day you use the amorphous style array on Sunny regular good weather that has high potential to collecting great amounts of high intensity solar input then switch to the monocrystalline or your high output solar panels that you have for that type of situation. It's basically like switching gears you're going to take the opinion of is my day sunny or is it challenged to the point that I need to switch into a different array to get a better input value and up my percentage of what's available as solar input voltage.
You pretty much hit this on the head.I got the ecoflow just to keep us tied over till our Titan gets here.Its a cool little set up and being our 1st solar generator,it was a good purchase regardless of it being an impulse buy.It gave us piece of mind at the time and it was a good intro tool but a couple things we noticed in the few times we kicked it around.Other than the things you ran into at the cabin,it definetly didnt have 1260 usable wh.The time display for how long it could power certain loads was very inaccurate by hours. At 1 point i set it up to run over night and it said it would run for 18hrs with the load i was running,which meant it easily shouldve been running well past the time we woke up but NOPE.It was drained after 12hrs! Next we had 4 solar panels(renogy flex 100) pumpin in 340-380watts in the daytime,we tried using around 150 watts for a few hours watching TV and Dish Sat dvr.We shouldnt have lost any battery capacity during that time(as far as we thought) but somewhere power was draining from battery instead?Its a convenient lil unit and is better than having nothing at all but the more i used it,the less i felt secure in its capability to really do much other than give us intermittent power in long term shortage scenarios.That being said...T minus a few days or so and we will finally have our Titan we bought from Ben.I say finally because im impatient but its actually coming in the exact time that Ben and Point Zero actually said and couldve been even longer with all the supply chain hold ups&businesses being shut down due to Covid.Both where very realistic about the situation, so Once i found out it was shipping out i have been like a 5 year old kid waiting for Christmas morning! Guess ill be selling an ecoflow pretty soon ;-)Thanks for the review Ben,its good to know that alot of those issues you noticed wasnt just us.
Thanks Gary. I know you'll love your Titan.
Wanna sell your Delta? Message me, or scott.wood70@gmail.com
how can any logical human being compare something that costs $1,200 to something that costs $4,500?????
Sorry Scott,I've decided to keep the Delta along with my Titan. They both come in quite handy. So far just about a year later I'm very happy with both but obviously Titan is King lol. Delta is a nice side kick tho.
There is NO comparison manny not by a long shot.
👍Fantastic info & testing. Thank you soooo much for all of your hard work testing & filming and sharing your info with us. 💝
👍That Titan is a beast…but it’s also $5200.⭐️🏆
When you decided to giveaway some of those solar generators, please think of me. 😂 . Awesome review. 😎
Haha maybe if I ever get free solar generators I'd consider it. I pay for everything out of my own pocket and find uses for the units here and there. A giveaway would be really cool.
Good review! One thing I've NEVER seen tested is rechargeable flashlights of different sorts.
Any rechargeable lights in particular?
@@minutemanprep yes! Flashlights. Gun lights. Lights that may used in shtf scenarios. I know average folks use these chargers for everyday use, but I believe many people are buying these as prep items for shtf, and plan to use as a survival tool. Thanks for the response.
@@borg386 I have many lights. I'll try to add videos about those. Great idea.
@@minutemanprep awesome! Thanks so much!
Just stumbled across your site Good job iv been watching all you you tubers reviews,bottom line its great for Rvers
Not so much for chop saws, I did see some reviews with chop saw but smaller sizes and they did fine going slow so I will subscribe.👍😉
Awesome, glad you liked it.
This will easily work for me in #VanLife . I can see how it wouldn't work for Homesteading...
Really good information, educational, and clarifying information. I really appreciate your time and effort.
Thanks!
Good job, man... thanks! (Ordered my Delta 1300 yesterday.)
Great review! Thanks for all the details!
Very thorough review.
Thanks
I was about to pull the plug and purchase the EcoFlow, but now on the fence. Customer Service is huge to me and that seems to be a major issue with EcoFlow and I'm not excited about the fast drain on the battery. I'm now looking at the Goal Zero 1500x and wonder if that is a better option than the Eco Flow, Jackery or Bluetti. I'm really prioritizing the use of this power station for emergency power during extended blackouts due to hurricanes and storms and would like to power a refrigerator, floor fans as the main items I would be using this for. The Titan is out of my price range and may be overkill.
Thanks for the review Ben.
No problem.
Nice video. Can you run a test connecting your Delta to your home gas furnace?
Interesting to see if it can handle the surge when blower kicks in and how long it will run with the furnace cycling on and off.
I don't have the option to connect it like that but if I can find a way that'd be good test.
Good job thanks. Shall what I needed to make a choice. From. Sc
In reference to the use of the chop saw and the a/c unit. I wonder if adding one of those soft-start devices would resolve the startup surge. We have been trying to test a battery/inverter based system in a vehicle to run an air condition, but the inverter would go into protection immediately when the compressor kicked on. We added a soft-start device and it worked to get past the surge, but three 100 ah batteries in series to a 3000 watt inverter couldn't keep it running more than 3 minutes. I was curious to see how this one would hold out. It looks like they've made some great ground with room to grow, though.
My MPPT does the same thing on my ecoflow delta 1300. I unplug it, wait a few seconds and plug it back in, and it tracks at a much higher voltage like it should. It’s not frozen at the lower voltage, it just bounces around at a lower voltage until it is reset. I don’t know how frequently it gets locked when it could be receiving higher voltage, but no one wants to waste potential solar energy. Other than that, I love mine.
Exactly. It's just something to be aware of.
There is also a good chance that it’s actually charging at a rate higher than displayed. Usually, with no charging going on, even a 100 watt load will drop the remaining reserve off of 100% quickly. I had a test where it was actually showing 0 watts in on a 200 watt panel, but it wasn’t dropping off of 100%. Eventually after 5 minutes the panel started displaying about 20 watts more than my load. When it did that, it went to 99% and about an ho ur to charge. It was just delayed. I think there is a 30-50 watt overhead to run the inverter and displays that isn’t calculated between the input and output. I think the reserve capacity factors it in though. It’s fun to watch this thing think of what it should do on low inputs and outputs vs huge AC loads and 120v quick charging.
@@whitmorestrains The reason it was showing that the panel was making no power when it was at 100% is because the battery was full and had no room for the panel to put the power into the battery. You have to have a battery that's not full, usually around 80% or lower to show the actual solar input.
Minute Man Prep that makes sense...but it will show incoming charge at anything below 99% from what I can tell.
@@whitmorestrains You like your delta? Did you look into bluetti before buying? Would you buy again.
Excellent, you picked up on the important points succinctly. I would really like to know the value of the lithium-ion batteries in that unit. I suspect well under 40% of the price, the cost is for the implementation of the dozens of input-output options, inverter, circuit boards, AD/DC, software, heat control, and of course the outer casing. Look at the videos that have stripped one down!
Thanks for the comment! =)
Your ac needs around 7 min to balance the refrigerant between high and low side
The room A/C unit will not overload the Delta, if you look online for a “soft start” mode room air conditioner, which gradually ramps up the wattage use instead of a large initial surge, which trips the overload. You might also want to wait and buy a Delta Pro version, which will power tools and the A/C for longer than 2 hours. But of course the Pro model is more $$$ 😬
What a terrible design. Am glad I'm still at the researching before buying stage. Yours is the second review I've listened carefully to, and this unit appears to take a while to recharge, and has too little battery life. Imagine buying one, going camping or mini RV' and finding out too late that your out of juice. There really must be a knockout unit out there somewhere. We are so tech advanced now and yet somehow still not quite there yet. Great review, and very pleased I watched.
I'm glad you liked the video! You should definitely be checking out the Titan. poweredportablesolar.com. You would like my video about the Titan powering my cabin: ruclips.net/video/lpEPAG2znLE/видео.html&t I currently have 3 batteries on the Titan with 4,000w of solar attached! Updated video coming out soon of that.
An honest review. Thank you!
good review in-depth knowledge. I just bought one for use boon docking in my rv
The BT app lets you set the screen time-out. Unit time-out too for that matter.
The Delta Pro has the 30A receptacle.
Great video, very helpful info!
Great review
Thanks =)
My need is for a small barn with 2 stalls, a small tack room and a small feed room. The main need will be for LED lighting and occasional power tool use. No AC power available except maybe from a generator when needed. Hard for me to evaluate.
Great and detailed real life circumstances review. This is pushing me towards the Bluetti EB 240. I know it's older but the battery capacity and life cycles are making me feel like it will be the better purchase. I did just leave a question for you about 30 minutes ago on another video about this as I will not be running anything more than a TV, PC, fridge, few lamps and the occasional boiling of a 900-1000watt kettle and modem for a few hours at a time.
The EB240 and Delta are on a Christmas sale (£999 EB 240 & £1099 Delta). EB 240 sale ends on 28th and Delta on 31st of this month. Do you think the EB 240 fits my needs better?
I'm sorry to bother you asking, I didn't know anything about battery generators 3 days ago and have taken in a huge amount of information in the last 2 days. I just don't want to make a mistake. I'll look through your videos to see if you have a review of the EB 240. I subbed on last video, your reviews are really helpful, even to a complete newbie like me.
Thank you.
Hi Ben - thank you for your review. Do you have a video on a first choice you would recommend? Thanks again.
Thanks Diane. The TItan is definitely the absolute best right now. You can find my videos about it here on my channel and also visit my website which talks about it at poweredportablesolar.com/
Thanks for a great video, I’m an weekend adventurous using an Arkpak 730p and so thinking about something new.
Just a question how can you even compare this to a unit that is more than twice the cost? The cheapest titan is $3300. You can get 2 delta pros for that money plus accessories.
Maybe I missed it,but I didn't hear you cover the maximum battery output of this unit. I have measured this unit at anywhere from 900 to 985 total watts. That's about 72 to 78 percent of the rated capacity. I understand that they must allow a DOD of less than gross rated capacity, but 22 to 28 percent of the gross capacity seems pretty weak. I have tested the Bluetti 1500 at a net total capacity of 90 to 92 percent, much higher actual net ratio of the bulk capacity than the Ecoflow. Regardless there is pros to the Ecoflow Delta though. My question is given all of your experience with both these units, which one would you recommend for a "weekend warrior" that occasionally takes one week trips. I have a three solar panels that can produce up to 135 watts a piece, if that makes a difference in what your answer might be to my question. Thanks so much for your help,. Cheers!
I didn't measure the total usable battery capacity because other videos show that. It's right around 75% (1,260 x .75 = 945wh).
Comparing the Bluetti and Delta, I'd lean towards the Bluetti but prefer the EB240 over the EB150 simply because of the bigger battery. You can get up to 600w of solar on the Bluettis and Delta.
Hi Ben, I’d love to see an update on the Titan, now that you’ve been using it for a bit. Still looking solid, or have you found any problems? Any info on the forthcoming Titan 2.0 from PZ? Thanks!
If you haven't seen my cabin video you should check it out. I have been running my off grid cabin for over 3 months now without the Titan ever turning off or anything. Ever since I upgraded from 500w in panels to 1,000w in panels we haven't had it drain to 0% once in the last 3 months. It's working flawlessly. No word on a next gen Titan yet.
@@minutemanprep why do so many people use the 100 watt panels instead of 300 watt panels? I am sure there is a reason, but i just don't know what it is???
@@Matt25_1-13 It's simple. The 100w panels are easy to set up, are easier to handle, easier to replace if damaged, easier to take with you if necessary, and are 1/3 the weight and size of a 300w panel. There's nothing wrong with 300w panels. But, setting them up is difficult due to their size. Also moving them, taking them with you in an emergency, replacing if damaged etc... is all harder with a larger panel.
@@minutemanprep Ok, for portability, i agree it makes sense, but if you aren't going to be moving the panels, it seems 300 watt panels make more sense. By dimensions (LxW), they aren't 3 times as big, and they are more efficient, will last longer, and more amps too from what i hear. I am going to do something soon, and I think i will just buy 300 watt panels, as i think they make more sense if you aren't going to be moving them once installed. I just wasn't sure if there was some compatibility issues with the portable generators...thanks
@@Matt25_1-13
300w Panel = 64.5 x 39 = 2,515sq in.
(www.homedepot.com/p/Grape-Solar-300-Watt-Monocrystalline-Solar-Panel-2-Pack-GS-M60-300-USx2/302023153?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&mtc=Shopping-VF-F_D27E-G-D27E-27_31_CONTROL-MULTI-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-CONTROL_OtherControl&cm_mmc=Shopping-VF-F_D27E-G-D27E-27_31_CONTROL-MULTI-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-CONTROL_OtherControl-71700000053528212-58700005127833923-92700048704113429&gclid=Cj0KCQjwit_8BRCoARIsAIx3Rj4uM6E8bG0KYZKgEdv9DkG_YP0dWY7LTc_w6eDCGi1vXrFVp-6i8qUaAr8ZEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)
100w Panel = 42.2 x 19.6 = 827sq in
(www.amazon.com/Renogy-Monocrystalline-Solar-Compact-Design/dp/B07GF5JY35/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=renogy+100w+solar+panel&qid=1603807833&sr=8-3)
Three 100w Panels = 827sq in. x 3 = 2,481sq in. So it's actually smaller to have three 100w panels, meaning that the 300 Grape Solar Panel (Huge reputable company) would have a less efficient panel since it's larger for the same wattage.
The Grape Solar 300w solar panel is 42lbs unboxed. A single 100w Renogy panel is 15lbs unboxed. So three of them collectively are 3 pounds more than the single grape panel, which isn't much more but is far easier to carry, set up, move, use etc... because that weight is split up into smaller easier to use pieces.
The Titan easily uses 300w solar panels. Most people do not easily use 300w solar panels though. Everyone can use 100w solar panels.
If you're going to mount it to the roof then yes go with 300w solar panels, but most people are not using this as a permanent installation.
Excellent review.
Vera nice review, thank you!
It came as a big surprise to me, that Delta 1300 is expandable, albeit with another Delta 1300. But my question is - can you expand Delta Mini the same way?
Thanks!
This is an awesome review, thank you very much! Where can I buy the splitter? Would you recommend the more expensive Delta Max?
Sorry it's been a long time since I did this video, which splitter are you looking for? I would take the Delta Max over the Delta but it always depends on your needs.
Thanks for all the info, will this serve my purpose of using it as a backup battery for a sumpump?
It should if that's the only thing you're running. It really depends on the pump. Most of the time it will work for a sump pump though.
Did EcoFlow ever resolve the error where it only used 1 quarter of the solar power unless you reset the unit’s solar power in (look at 26min it for what he experiences.)?
I don't know if they did on current units but they didn't fix it in my unit. They said it can happen and to keep an eye on it.
Not your first choice? What's your first choice? I see a couple Bluetti's on the top shelf there. Could one of those be it?
#1 Choice is the Titan by far! Seriously, nothing comes close to it. poweredportablesolar.com/
Well on the compressor on the AC needs to let the pressure drop off you are not supposed to turn it off and back on that quickly a smarter ac would not have kicked the compressor back on that quickly but that will greatly increase the surg it takes to start it and in some cases even with plenty of power it will not start
Love your videos and I learn a lot! But something I learned from you is that I’m going to just get rigid panels. And maybe I’ll get the Renogy 200 watt panels with the built in legs.
You might consider the 120 watt folding panels from BougeRV - 9BB-120W. They have a very nice ridge frame and stand with adjustable angle.
@@stevekrash3540 Thank you :)
Are going to be reviewing ecoflow delta pro or max?
Yes, both.
Good review. Nice cabin and spot! Are the solar panels any good that comes with the product?
Thanks =)
Sure would have been helpful if you had said how many amps the crosscut saw draws. Can you report back on that?
Thank you!
Anybody charging this with an onboard inverter while driving? How big can you safely go while driving? Do you really need pure sine? Any return policy? Will this company honor warranty?
Good morning Ben, Out of all of the portable power stations (not including diy systems) which would be your first choice and some of its advantages over the ecoflow delta 1300?
Hands down my favorite is the Titan solar generator (poweredportablesolar.com/) because it has a 3,000w pure sine wave inverter, comes with a 2,000wh battery but can expand to as many batteries as possible, has stacking batteries that are super simple to add, has up to 2,000w of solar input and breaks apart into sections so it's easy to move around.
Today we purchased a travel trailer that we are going to completely change over to use full solar and the Titan will be the primary source of power for it.
The Delta has a better inverter than the Bluetti EB240 but if you don't need to use more than 1,000w I actually prefer the Bluetti EB240 because of the battery size.
@@minutemanprep the biggest ability to any of these systems is their ability to charge off my vehicles 150 amp alternator at speeds that are at least equivalent to house or solar speeds. Can you recommend a inverter or something I can use to charge either the delta or the Titan at it's fast charge pace that runs off of my alternator? I'm guessing it would be fairly simple right?
@@adventuresperspective4056 If you do a direct wire to the battery then you can use any inverter you want and just use the wall chargers since the wall chargers for the Delta and Titan are fast chargers. Just put a fuse between the battery and inverter, then plug the solar generator into the inverter. I would go with a 1,500 PSW inverter.
Great review! Do you like the Eco Flow Delta 1300 more than the Bluetti 1500 or 2400, or like the Bluetti more?
Thanks! They are kind of equal in my mind because the Bluettis have larger batteries than the Delta but the Delta has a larger inverter. They are about the same price, weight, and solar input. So if you don't need more than a 1,000w of output power then the Bluettis are better because of the larger batteries. But if you need to run more equipment then the Delta is better. But in the end none of them are as good as the Titan. The Titan is by far the best.
@@minutemanprep Very good points and comprehensive review. For me in a 25 foot Class C and often on the road when we travel, I really like being able to use my alternator to quickly charge an inverter battery bank without having to needlessly idle my Sprinter when I'm off grid for several days (doesn't make neighbors in the National or State campground "happy campers.")
@@CaliforniaTravelVideos I totally agree. Alternator charging is great.
@@minutemanprep Thank you. And for those of us who already have an inverter (w/o battery backup) to our alternator, an extra plus is having two ways to charge the EcoFlow Delta:
1. When you don't want to run your engine longer than necessary, use your existing inverter A/C output going into the EcoFlow for a quick 60-90 minute charge
2. When you'll be on the road running your engine for hours, go through your car's cigarette lighter for a slower charge that doesn't stress your batteries (more heat means fewer battery life cycles)
You said it's definitely okay, but not your 1st choice. What is your 1st choice??
The Titan all the way. Absolute best. I use it to run my off grid cabin full time: ruclips.net/video/lpEPAG2znLE/видео.html&t
Those flex panels. Get u some 50 gallon drums and stick them on there and then you can just roll it in direction of sun 🌞. I guess if the panels being curved on the barrel might not get full capacity but u could cut the barrels in half build a square frame to set on top of barrel and just rock them back and forth to stay in the sun.
Great review ... will you review there latest product? It's going through kickstarter at the moment. The R600 Pro with EF1500 LFP ...it uses Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries
Probably not the R600 since it's a little small but I am getting into smaller solar generators. I haven't looked into the EF1500 LP but since I pay for everything out of my own pocket and am not sponsored I never get access to the early units like other people who are sponsored. So I just have to wait until they're available like everyone else.
@@minutemanprep That is surprising ... you do great reviews. I am surprised EcoFlow doesn't give you one for review.
I see u have a patroit eather 1500 or 1800 on ur shelf how do u like them I have the 1800 never used it yet tell me some info on it if u can i cant get any info on it but the book i got with it an i ask questions about it an every one tells me its junk an I got one pannel with it si tell me was it worth the money u can reach me at dws194764@gmailcom thank u be honest
helpful info. the screen on full time would add as a power draw would it not? did you try the app for your phone?
I got it at a special rip off price of 1,400.00, with one solar panel that..hmmmm..doesn't charge as I expected. Don't be disappointed. You may do better with 5 of them.
18:04 Just add another cross bar about 1/3 up from the bottom to stop the bottom from folding in maybe?
Yup that's easy to do I just didn't have that crossbar with me.
it says 65v 10a max, which is 650 watts. but the input says 400w max.
my question is if i plug a single 430w 40v solar pannel into the ef delta, will it overload it and trigger shutdowns? or will it work fine?
You're correct that 65v x 10a = 650w but that doesn't mean that the charge controller will let that much power through.
As long as the 430w solar panel doesn't exceed 65v or 10a then it will work on the Delta just fine. You can have more than 400 watts going in but it will limit how much power is going in down to 400w.
For example, the way I like to use mine is have six 100w solar panels connected in a 3x3 series/parallel combo so that I'm right at the 65v and 10a mark. That means I have 600w of solar panels connected. Let's say my panels are making a total of 500w, only 400w will be allowed to go through the charge controller into the battery.
@@minutemanprep oh ok good. i was worried i might blow the thing or something if i went slightly over.
the panel is 40 something volts and 11a i believe. will the charge controller throttle that back and turn the extra 1amp into higher volts?
i know that it will throttle it and only let 400w in. which is fine, im just worried about breaking it or something.
@@TheAngriestGamer. As long as you're within the 65v and 10a charge limit you'll be fine. Going over in volts is generally not good but going a little over in amps should be okay.
Sump pump test, please? Or maybe sump pump and fridge together... storm essentials.
That's a great idea to add a sump pump to the test devices. Any particular pump I should look at or should I just grab a standard sump pump?
@@minutemanprep I'm no electrician, or electrical engineer, but I would imagine most 1/3 hp and 1/2 hp pumps have similar power requirements... I personally have a Zoeller 1/3 hp. Obviously, power needs will vary greatly depending on how quickly the pit fills up and how many times the pump kicks on per hour, but I'd be curious, if the pump kicks on, say, once every 10 min, how long these "generators" might keep up with the demand. Thanks!
How about using it for living in a van full time? Nice information. Thank you
Ya it would work well for that.
In that sort of application, way I see it, your unit would last about 3 years tops.
Nice video, maybe I missed it, but did you say how much draw the Saw and the Air-condition is trying to pull that the Delta couldn't handle? It'd be good to know if Eco Flows stated limits are honest.
I can't see the actual amount trying to be drawn since the Delta shuts off. I don't know sorry.
@@minutemanprep no killawatt meter? Would the Titan show draw?
@@samstellastephen The Titan shows total net input and output. Meaning if there's 500w going in from solar and 200w going out for running things then it will show 300w on the screen.
Can you make a comparison between the Ecoflow Delta and the Bluetti EB150 and which one would you recommend?
I may have time to do a video like that but the easiest thing is to refer to the comparison chart sheet on the homepage of my website: poweredportablesolar.com/ or you can email me at info@poweredportablesolar.com and I can send it to you.
Will it be a good option for power outage 10-18 days just to run a frig and a couple of lamps. What is up with having to unplug and plug bck in solar cords during charging?
I wouldn't recommend it for that. I would stick with the Titan for something like that. The Titan 500 kits are good for long power outages running simple things like a fridge and lights poweredportablesolar.com/ the Delta doesn't have a large enough battery or fast enough solar charging to work for that long reliably.
How much was your titan ? How heavy is it? Thanks for the info im.about to buy a ecoflow not sure if its worth it but I'm in an apartment we lose power alot.. need it for like instant pot, fry pans, small heating blanket, stuff like that.
My titan was $3,000. I have two systems, one for my house and one for my cabin. My cabin one has been running since February non stop and is still going strong. I have lots of panels for each system.
It's hard to recommend the delta with what you mentioned you wanted to run. I'm afraid the battery will not be big enough for your needs. I'm afraid you'll spend lots of money and it won't be enough
First time I have watched one of your videos really good real life situation. Do you think this would work for just an emergency situation type generator when you just want to run maybe your refrigerator until electricity came back on
This unit is only BARELY able to handle a power outage and only run a fridge, nothing else. I would have no less than four 100w panels for this and it can be an okay unit.
Yesterday we had a poweroutage for 5 hours I connected a fridge, 9 bulbs and tv plus dstv. It ran for 5hours i got about 5% hours left
I have my Delta connected to my 10 year old deep freezer and my home side by side fridge. When both compressors are running the screen says 6 hours, but since the compressors only run part of the time, 8-10 hours is more likely. Since I have solar recharging as an option, the Delta works for me as a UPS continuous back up system for peace of mind when I travel. Very seldom have outages longer than 36 hours. The newly released (Sept 2021) Delta PRO has higher wattage rating and much longer run times (due to 3 internal batteries instead of the 1 in the standard Delta) but it goes from the Delta’s 38 lbs to the PRO’S 100 lbs ( it does have an extended handle and small wheels). But the price of the Delta Pro model is steep 🤕
Hi I was checking the titan website I saw 2 websites one give diferent release dates so I wanna know wich one I can trust. And the titan can you use it and charging at the same time? And thanks for you videos i like it because you explain everything really good
The Titan can be used while charging up. I work directly with the manufacturer so you can always trust my website to show the most accurate option. Also the kits on my site include extras that are not included elsewhere.
Any thoughts on the news about the Delta Pro?
I'm excited for it. I should be getting mine in a few weeks. Reviews to come.
Thank you for the video. At 3:25 when you show them hooked up to another unit, does the inverter still stay at 1800watts? Or does it increase? If it stays the same, then the only real advantage is longer battery life then. Is that correct?
I don't know specifically but my understanding is that it does not increase the inverter capacity. I haven't seen in the user manual or anywhere else that it increases the inverter capacity.
@@minutemanprep It does not increase inverter capacity, and, due to the double conversion factor, you see way less than double the run time...this falls under round-trip efficiency.
@@greensavant2573 Makes sense.
According to your experiences, what is the lifespan for those battery ? I want to use it as emergy power back up, however i am afraid that it is a big investment, for a unit which wont last ( 2-3 years the battery degrades to 80% and then further ) what s your take?
Why didn't you tell us how much power the chop saw requires? It says right on the motor of the saw.
This not being your number one pick, what is your number one portable power pick that is better overall?
Nothing beats the Titan - poweredportablesolar.com/
The Delta is an okay unit for small application. The Titan is super powerful.
@@minutemanprep Thanks, for a portable unit though it doesn't seem to be comparable. The power supply for the Titan looks like it's half the size of the Ecoflow Delta and it's over double the price.
@@dannyelam1631 Delta has a 1800w inverter, 1300wh battery, 600 max solar input and 1200w AC wall power charge rate. The Titan has a 3,000w inverter, 2,000wh battery (expandable up to any size), 2,000w max solar input and 1,000w AC Wall Power Charge Rate. So it's twice the power of a Delta (but expandable) and is about twice the price.
One big difference is with the Delta if you use it at a high discharge rate it will get hot and then become disabled as shown in my video and other videos. The Titan does not have that problem. There are pros and cons to everything.
@@minutemanprep Another benefit of the Delta is it's portability. With the size and cost of the titan, a large gas powered unit would be an option unless money isn't a factor and you only use it indoors.
@@dannyelam1631 Yes but with solar generators Weight = Power Capability. As we could see the Delta is light but can't run many things. The Titan weighs as much as the Delta when you split it into different pieces like removing the top power module from the battery. The difference is that you move Titan power module then go back and move the battery. The delta you just move once. That's pretty the difference in portability is having to take more trips for the Titan to put it in your vehicle.
Comparing Solar Generator pricing to Gas Generator pricing is only semi-relevant in my opinion because a solar generator has a one time payment and no maintenance. A gas generator has an upfront large payment, then ongoing costs as well as maintenance and is dependant on gas stations having enough gas. Those are the points of what a solar generator fixes.
Thank you this tutorial. I am a newbie with EcoFlow. I just purchased two of them that I want to use to run the house. What transfer switch did you use in the cabin?
At the cabin it's not a transfer switch because there's no grid power. It's just a 120v panel that is powered by a 30amp RV plug.
Please test a 3.5 Cu ft small refrigerator with a built in micro freezer section in it. I need a solution to keep my meat and dairy from going bad in power failures up to 5 days in length.
Small fridges use almost the same amount of power as large fridges surprisingly enough. The easiest way to have a very low power fridge and long term food protection is a DC Fridge like this one: amzn.to/3nRPRos
I will be doing a review of mine very soon. I fit an entire whitetail deer in it roughly 45lbs of meat. It uses very little power and works very very well.
Hi I enjoyed your thorough testing of the delta.. Now I want to know, between the river pro and the delta, witch would you say is best pls
River Pro doesn’t have the total load capacity of the Delta, and it won’t have near the extra run time, even if you by the add on battery pack. But if you are just using it to power lights, your laptop and a camping fridge, it may be all you need for recreational use. The Delta and the Delta Pro models are going after the portability and “light” extended off grid sales market. You have to decide what works best for your needs
What is a good unit for a car using small cooking item like a hot pot or a rice cooking
The Delta 2 is a good option since it has a larger inverter, is lightweight, portable, and has enough battery to run those cooking devices multiple times. us.ecoflow.com/products/delta-2-portable-power-station?aff=368
My fridge is 115 volts. I was told that the power station needed to be 115 volts to run my fridge. Can this power station be good for my emergency back up? Thanks!
Question: I own (4) 110w EF panels and (1) 60w EF panel. Would it be acceptable to do a series-parallel configuration with these panels? One set of (3) panels in series, the other (2) panels in series and then both sets in parallel? The EF owners manual describes something similar to this. I would like to "overpanel" as much as I can to collect a full 400w.
Thanks for the review. Was considering getting one or two of these for use when power goes down. Not sure the EcoFlow Delta would be reliable enough after watching your video. We want to be able to power a decent sized fan or heater plus run our refrigerators off and on to keep contents cold. We experienced our first major outage this last February with the great Texas freeze. Fortunately had large propane tank, but really could have used something along these lines to keep small appliances going or run an electric blanket or two. What would you recommend for those kinds of needs? I saw you were running your whole cabin with your titan. Is that a good back up power source or is it too much for that purpose?
Hey Sheri, be aware that any electric heater is goig to effectively make any solar generator useless. The Titan is by far the absolute best solar generator (poweredportablesolar.com/) and a single heater on low would only run for about 3hrs at best. I highly recommend buddy heaters and backup propane for heat since it requires no power and during blackouts it's still possible to get propane usually either from gas station propane refill tanks or places like gas stations, home depot, lowes, grocery stores will have propane tanks that you can swap out.
As far as a big fan, those generally will use anywhere form 50 to 100w to run constantly so those are definitely possible. It sounds like you have at least 2 fridges. Electric blankets are very good cause they are not high power output. For everything you've described I would only get the Titan. There is nothing on the market besides it that would do what you're asking. I would go with this kit specifically or bigger: poweredportablesolar.com/product/titan-1000-rigid-kit/
You might get a 12v oscillating fan at an auto parts place. I have one that is 6 inches in diameter and only uses 20 watts. I also have a 3.5 inch USB personal fan that uses 2 watts.
nice review, i have 1 question, i sometimes run just a compressor fridge, when te fridge is nog " asking " for power, the Delta shut itself off, and my fridge is starting heating up. have you a solution ?
You might look into getting one of these "soft start" devices: www.raymondinnovations.com/collections/soft-starters and that might work.
I have my 10 yr old freezer and home side by side fridge (2 yrs old) connected to my Delta. When BOTH compressors are running, my Delta says 6 hours of run time, but compressors cut on and off so my run time is closer to 8-10 hours. My Delta has not cut off. I agree with the comment to explore “soft start” to prevent the big (and frequently overloading) surges some appliances and tools trigger.
Real world usage is how many hours can it boil water with electric kettle 1500 watts?
I really enjoy your through reviews! I honestly didn't understand some of the technical stuff, but that's on me not you. Electrical stuff confuses me.
I looked at the ecoflow, bluetti and titan. My intent is to use it for my home office/shed. Laptop, monitor, treadmill, light - that pretty much it. I LOVE the Titan. It's incredible. But for the price and my needs to Ecoflow is suitable I think. I completely agree about the display. This is my first generator. Does anyone know if I need to season the battery in anyway? Like don't let it drain all the way or let it drain. Im not sure.
No seasoning of battery required. I hear you, the Titan is not the cheapest, but there's a reason why the other units are cheaper... The proof is in all the videos and reviews out there. A laptop will generally run about 50w/hr, monitor 40w/hr, light 8w/hr and I have no idea on a treadmill, probably around 800w/hr. I imagine you're not running on the treadmill all day long so the Delta sounds like it would work. In my experience, there are always things we forget, like a fan, wifi router, speakers, etc...
If you're interested in the Delta I bought mine here: amzn.to/2WB2nhV
I would highly recommend getting six 100w solar panels, and connecting them in a 3x3 setup.