Amazing 4th Gen Steering Upgrade On A 2nd Gen Dodge Ram
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- Опубликовано: 23 янв 2021
- Just unbelievable how easy it was to upgrade the steering linkage on my truck. It was the simplest form of bolt-on application I have experienced yet. Other good news with this installation. Here is a link to what I bought.
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Thanks for another great 👍video.
I just ordered same part hopefully everything is stright forward as yours. 🤞
Let us know how it went
Love your truck and videos. Keep the love for the 2nd Gens.:-)
Ty bro.
These trucks are like legos! Interchangeable parts are awesome. Thanks for sharing. Definitely going to save up and do this to my 2002 4x4 Cummins
I hear ya.
@@conquryourfear Would this work on a 97 1500 with a dana44?
I made this upgrade to my 99 3500 4x4 dually. It was NOT drop-in. I had to purchase the correct tapered reamer and ream the spindles for the larger taper. I also had to shorten the tie rod in order to set the toe. It's a big improvement over OEM but certainly not "drop in".
2000-02 it’s drop in.
I have a 95 4x4 so this will fit . I want to up grade my truck . . I was not sure the tapers were the same on the tie rods . Thanks
Holy moly that is one of the best looking Dodge Ram trucks I've ever seen in my life. That front end is insane, and I really like your tire and wheel setup. So many guys screw those up it's not even funny. I really want to do that front end conversion on my Second Gen now though. 😂😅
Thank you for your comment brother
@@conquryourfear and thank you for the content!
Really trying to catch up on what all is newer than about 2007 tech lol. Most of the upgrades I remember doing with my dad were around that time period. Your videos I feel are going to be invaluable!
@@conquryourfear ahh, that said...did you ever do the Steering Bushing upgrade from RSRTS?
@@connorbaz5980 I did. Much better. Pain in the butt to install. Tip: when u r inserting their washer around the steering shaft, don’t shove it in too far. If your steering is too stiff then you went to far in-double pain in the butt to adjust it back out. Ok brother
@@conquryourfear for sure. We've had guys break parts further up in the shaft because they used hammers to drive the bushing in. Definitely don't recommend that lol.
I actually made those bushings from about 2007 to just a couple years ago. We had another supplier for a few years to help too. Test fitting was done on a couple columns we had in the shop, but what worked on ours didn't always translate to everyone's.
Something that helped with a really tight shaft was to make a cut on one side of the bushing with a hacksaw or bandsaw blade, which allowed for any variations in diameter.
Otherwise, we would send out replacements or refunds depending on what the customer wanted.
That said, it was always a pretty small operation. Definitely could have worked out a lot of jank, but for some reason it was really hard to get anything changed around there. Not the best work environment LOL.
Great video
Thank you brother. If you have an already show your love by hitting that like button and subscribe in. It’s free to subscribe. I have a Lotta other videos on second generation Dodge Rams on my channel. Thanks take care
wow wish i wouldnt have just redone my front end..
ty now i know what ill do the next time..
Really nice upgrade brother.
Everything you said is correct, My steering was horrible, 2002 2500 (2nd gen) lifted 6" with 35's , it wondered all over the place and was very sloppy, so I replaced the steering gearbox and that made it way better, but when I replaced the moog steering kit, WOW unbelievable !!! thanks for sharing...
Happy to hear your hard work and determination paid off. Rock on, brother.
I am getting ready to do this on my 2001 2500. Mine is on 37" tires and a 6" lift. I only got the Moog kit without the new pitman arm. I am wondering if I should do the angled down pitman arm? Did you do a new pitman arm on yours with the 6" lift on 35s? Also did you have to buy a new separate locknut for the drug link where it goes through the pitman arm and if so do you have a part#?
@@davebeegle2524 no, I needed nothing but the Moog kit shown in the video. I suspect that my pitman is not original cause my drag link is mounted under the pitman with the nut on top. I would think you would mount the drag in the same position it is in. If you want a photo of something, I can take one for you.
@@Aerialscope-eo9jz Thanks! My drag link comes in from the top and it's definitely the stock "s" shaped pitman arm on mine...so pretty sure I will probably need the down sloping pitman arm...actually thinking I will go ahead and do a new steering box at the same time...I suppose the "upside" is that I won't need to remove the old pitman arm 😀...just really like the idea of everything "new"...thinking a upgraded redhead box.
@@davebeegle2524 I bought a reman from rock, it was a huge improvement. Buy new lines, they will probably shatter when you remove them, like mine did.
Very helpful i have been trying to find the right one for my second gen and every one I talk to says fourth gen won't fit you saved me alot of headache thanks
No problem
Had a question I put this steering setup in my truck but the tie rod taper is to big for the pitman arm do I replace tie rod end or get a different pitman arm and what one will fit it
@@kellymiller7120 did you figure it out? I was about to order mine until I read ur comment
Yes I figured it out you have to buy a tapered reamer and ream your pitman arm out to fit I did mine and works great now big dif in the steering
How is it holding up?
GOAT
Musta been drinking beer err something like that lolol 😂that's was good
Great video with details. I have a 99 Ram 2500 4WD Cummings with heavy duty suspension. Would this part # be a drop in for mine? Not sure if any difference from the 99 to 2001 versions? I am trying to find out if this part can be used in the 99 Heavy duty truck or does some drilling out of the spindles need to be done or other fabrication. I have replaced all the other front end components but this part..
Sweet truck man! That’s awesome!! I’ve been contemplating the 22.5’s for my 99 how do they ride?
Great explanation thank you for this video. I wanna do this to my 98 1500 4x4 and i wonder if i have to drill the knuckles to fit the linkage.
the tie rod does not require the knuckles to be drilled out. on my 01 it did require a 3rd/4th gen pitman arm tho
Can't believe I found this. Nice work. Will this conversion work on a 2000 Ram 2500 4x4 cummins? It's time to replace ball joints, seals, bearings, and steering box on the front. I'm inspired by your upgrade. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for your kind words. Yes it will definitely fit your truck. If you haven’t already subscribe to the channel and hit that like button.!!!! I have many other videos about the second generation dodge ram
I'll do that. I like those quick simple to the point videos. Thanks so much for your response.
Thx for this video my shits is still sloppy after changing tie rods links gearbox it's way better but still. Not 100 so I'm gonna try this thx for this vid
I hear ya brother
Badass truck man! Would this work on my 1994 2500?
I've got a 1995 ram 2500 4wd
Will it work ?
I just bought a redhead steering gear for my model truck.
Will this directly fit on my steering gear placement?
I have a 1998 ram 2500 and the taper on the piece that goes into my pitman arm will not fit. Am I doing something wrong?
Is that Suspension sway bar and links for a 2000 to 2009🤷♂️
What is your track bar kit
Best video I've seen on this topic! By chance, do you know if a 2nd gen Moog Trac Bar would work with this 4th gen steering linkage? If not, would you mind sharing the link to your Trac Bar setup?
Can’t say. The one I have is much better than OEM. Check this video out.... ruclips.net/video/sajwtQaqYMs/видео.html
Just do this. The difference is fantastic.
2000 1500 4x4 200k miles
I recommend Pittsburgh Automotive 3/4 inch ball joint separator from Harbor Freight sku 99849
Wisconsin truck, plenty of rust. Took about 2 hrs.
You installed this same kit on your 2000 1500? Any issues so far?
@@kennyeiermann4832 no issues
Thank you very much, I could never find a straight answer about this.
So you would recommend?
@@kennyeiermann4832 yes. It helped
I've still got drift but I'm sure that is steering box
@@jimwarren3329 I replaced the gear box with a reman when I got the truck. Everything was replaced after I got it chasing the crap steering. New steering, track bar, Control arms. Now I got long arm kit, adjustable track bar, HD sway bar links, and all that's left is a T steering or crossover but I don't wanna drill the knuckles yet and a new gear box. Either a redhead, Bluetop, or the psc.
What year?
Did you do the track bar
Will this fit a 1998.5 Ram 3500 4x4
Could you send me the list of stuff you purchased for 2nd Gen upgrade steering I want you be for sure
Awesome I just got a second gen and need to fix the steering. Just did a borgeson hi flow ps pump. Mine came with a fox stabilizer and looks like a steering brace? Not to sure but everything on there should blot back up with the beefier 4th gen parts right?
Yes sir!!!
What brand tires do you have? I’m gonna need some new ones this year. I like the look of your tread
Arturo Trail Blade AT 35/50/22
Will it bolt on to 2wd trucks?
What oil pan is that? Thanks for the content, keep em coming. 😁
Snodepot stainless steel.
Thanks for the quick response.
Hey enjoyed this info ( beautiful truck ) ya I have an 03 (gas) 3/4 ton and a diesel 3500 , would this hulk work on either ?
And where on line would I order this ? ( I’m green here , and learning) living In BC Canada
Can’t help you on this question--I don’t do 3rd generation rams
Did you have to do any modification to the drag link To make the tie rods fit I’ve heard some guys have had to release the pin on the inside of the link where the tie rod connects on the driver side
Not the one I bought. Both side bolted right up. Couldn’t believe how easy they fit
Awesome! Thank you for the quick reply
Did you have to drill or enlarge the tire rod holes in the hub housing?
No sir
Hello sir I like the videos that you put on I got a 1999 dodge ram 2500 will it fit on mine ?
If yours is a 4x4, yes
Will that fit my 95 ram 3500🤷♂️
Just changed mine.but I got stock wheels on my 2001 2500..any recommendations for spacers?? By the way your truck is awesome!!
Choosing the width of the spacer is really dependent on you and how you like your tire sticking out from the fender well. Thanks for your comment. Any other questions don’t hesitate to ask if you have an already subscribe and hit that like button doesn’t cost a penny to do so. Take it easy.
Hi, is that a stainless steel oil pan and where did you get it from.
Yes sir. Sno-Depot sells them. Beautiful work.
I have that same BDS dual Stabilizer and now I’m bummed I won’t be able too use it with a 4th Gen Upgrade, have you thought about maybe upgrading too bigger U bolts too fit around Rod too see if brackets will bolt up for Dual Stabilizer? Thanks for the video 😎
Yeah. I was bummed as well. I seriously have given this situation a lot of thought but still haven’t come up with a desired solution yet. I will add your suggestion to the equation!!
I was wondering the same thing any solution to the dual steering shocks with the 4th gen upgrade
@@maggiemay8233 I’m gonna be trying it with mine pretty soon, got bigger u bolts that wrap perfectly Around bar, only thing I need too see is if bracket will fit, or will probably need too make holes bigger
@@frontyardcummins387 did you ever get this to work?
What type of steering stabilizer did you use with this set??
Single shock
I just did this upgrade to my truck a while back, I was under it the other day and noticed my steering pitman arm bolt had made a big gouge in the tie rod, I guess it's just fat enough that if the suspension comperess they will hit, something to watch? 🤷🤔
I’m going to have to check mine out
What truck do you have? and was that bottoming out or just regular use?
Hello. On my 1999 2500 diesel, after 125K my steering got sloppy. This truck came from the factory with T style steering. I put on a new heavier duty Moog track bar. I tried a Red Head steering box which was disappointing. I then upgraded to a PSC big bore box which was still a bit loose, but has been adjusted for a better response. I put on XRF ball joints and they were very stiff at first. I think XRF claims of longevity are a bit optimistic? I still have some wandering issues but not nearly as bad as before.
You running big tires?
@@conquryourfear Stock 16" rims with 245 75R16 Michelins.
look into the steering column. There's a bushing that wears out on some of them I guess. I just found out about it last night so I don't know too much about it.
I'm about ready to put in a new steering box on my 2001, mines the 5.9 magnum tho I guess the front ends came the same. But yeah after watching this I'm definitely upgrading to the newer front end. My truck isn't returning to center, so I hope the new gear box will fix that issue, but I was looking at my tie rods and they look like they probably will need replaced too. I just got this truck it's my first dodge so far I like it except for the steering issue.
So if I buy a steering stabilizer does it have to be for a 4 gen ?
All I can say for certain is, I was able to use one of the steering stabilizers on the set up I had. When I get home I can measure that steering stabilizer and let you know what size it is
I'm redoing my truck 96 2500 Cummings rwd will it work on 2weel drive?
according to summit racing equipment, yes. (www.summitracing.com/parts/mop-52122362al/applications)
I put this on my 94 2500 and now I can’t get the wheels to both go straight, it’s not toeing in any further, any tips?
bring her in for an alignment. apparently the pitman arm wasn't placed exactly where you had it before disconnecting it.
Track arm setup? Bracket etc. Can u help me? Pls
ruclips.net/video/OPhsYQdJcag/видео.htmlsi=gs3Wq4FrHDsotYr4
Just watched your video. The question I have is, did you have to change steering pitman arm? Other videos and post I've checked some say yes, others don't mention it. I'd like to do this to my '01 4x4 cummins, just unsure if I need a new arm or not.
Why would I need to? What is the reason they are saying?
They don't really explain why. I'm guessing they purchased a kit that contained it and so the changed them out.
Thanks for the response, much appreciated.
Yeah I also saw a video that said the same thing that it needs a few mods to make it work
To my understanding the new pitman arm relieves the angle of the joint. But I’m working on a 3rd gen so maybe it’s different
my 01 cummins required the pitman arm to be changed out to the 3rd/4th gen pitman arm with this kit, as the taper on the drag link joint is bigger than that on the 2nd gen.
Where did u get that dodge ram grill that is bad ass! Want to get one for my 2nd gen now.
ruclips.net/video/-_EMDUIe0Uo/видео.html
Thanks for replying and sending me the video on the grill.
How much lift do you have on your truck? I have a 5 inch on mine and I did this same swap last summer and I’m not sure if I like it, it feels like it made my bump steer worse. Also the drag link is super close to my passenger side swaybar link and I had to take the grease fitting out of it to keep it from breaking it off
I only have a 1 1/2 front leveler. You take your truck 4-wheeling; is this when you experience the bump steer? I have no issue with the drag link too close to my sway bar end link.
You may need a drop pitman arm if you haven’t already installed one.
@@OGJuggernaut why?
I have a drop pitman arm and this truck doesn’t go off-road too much. I’ve been driving it for probly 6 months and it hasn’t hit the swaybar link yet so it must be ok. The bump steer is still kinda annoying sometimes but it’s not too bad
@@douganderson7002 lol what? Did I even say what size my tires were for you to think they’re “way too big?” You’re comin for the wrong guy trust me, my truck isnt one of these “mall crawlers” you speak of. I said my truck doesn’t go off-road, but that just means I don’t purposely take it off-road for shits & giggles, it goes off-road when it has to. I don’t have a lift for no reason, my truck has a purpose that stock height and some little 31’s won’t handle. Also my steering box is new and has no play, not that that would cause bump steer anyway🤦♂️
What did you use for a Pitman arm
Are used the same one that I had
What kinda tract arm setup do u have?
Straight track bar by Sphon
Can you do a video of everything you have done to your steering ?
Sure. I will send u another reply after uploading it.
Is this a direct bolt on for a 97 3500?
As long as your truck is a 4 wheel drive, yes
Did you have to drill out the knuckles?
Brother. Didn't you hear how happy I was at the end of this video? This upgrade is PLUG-N-Play all the way!! No drilling what’s so ever. But remember I have a 4-wheel drive.
How does this affect offroad performance? Is there any interference?
I haven't experience any negative effects performance wise. If anything better steering.
Would it work the same on a 2wd?
I don’t think so. This is a four-wheel-drive set up
Did you have to change the pitman arm ?
No sir. You just have to be careful not to move it when you take it off that other end. In other words, keep it in the same position don’t move it.
Does your inner wheel rub on that bar?
No sir
What headlights are you running?
ruclips.net/video/xfe6QUb3ZIc/видео.html
Just saw a video of the same swap and they said it’s not a direct bolt on at all?
Well. I didn’t make this up!!
Will this work on 2001 quaf cab dodge ram 1500 wotj stock heigjt on ot
Is yours a 4x4?
@@conquryourfear yes it is 4 x 4 ram 1500
@@dwhallon21 then you’re good. This will be a nice upgrade.
Am I correct in assuming this is the same for the gassers?
If you have a 4 wheel drive gasser.
@@conquryourfear thank you! Really want to do this to my 4x4 1500 hundred. I have seen that it might be tougher on the pre 2000 models as well
Would it work for a 2nd gen ram 1500 4 wheel drive?
Not sure. Never tried. If it looks like my setup then yes
Yes
Mine is a 99, how do I check to make sure I can swap it. I hate my crappy steering
Is yours a four-wheel-drive
@@conquryourfear yes
What year is your truck you put it on? I hear 1999 and older you have to drill a few holes out. Mines a 2000 4x4 hoping mine is bolt on like yours
2002
No, u don't have to drill anything. I put this on a 96 2500, and a 97 3500. Its been a couple of years now, I think all I did was replace the tie rod from the new set up, with one of the old set up tie rods so it would fit in the pitman. Or u could buy a 4th gen pitman, and put it on along with the new tie rods. They work great! Best upgrade I've done!
@@rgnichols567Hey, Are you 100% sure that you dont have to ream out the knuckles? Ive been researching this topic off and on for a long time and cant seem to find a definitive answer. Thanks for your time
@@donnylisa3810 In 2000 the 2nd gen went to AAM axles, it is very misleading to say this upgrade will work on 2nd trucks. It will work on 2nd gen trucks with AAM axles and the knuckles don't need to be reamed.
On Dana axles, the knuckles will need to be reamed, plus the tie rod and drag link shortened. It is NOT a direct bolt on. The Dana axles are 2 inches narrower than the AAM. In the end it screws up the geometry with the shorter drag link and you get bump steer.
@@stick_flipper9585 Thank you!
I've got a 97 ram 3500 and the 4th gen steering is not a direct bolt in. It's too long and the taper on the steering knuckles and pitman arm are wrong.
4x4?
Hey u got a part # for this??
Moog Steering Linkage Assembly Part number (35912YH)
I have a 99 3500 4x4 id like to do this too can you send me the link where you purchased yours or part number so i know i order the right one please
Moog. DS800981A
www.ebay.com/itm/313207865739?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1gYk68OtaRXGlT4J3Y_zdcw41&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=313207865739&targetid=1644837434603&device=m&mktype=&googleloc=9011963&poi=&campaignid=16743749222&mkgroupid=138744546207&rlsatarget=pla-1644837434603&abcId=9300842&merchantid=263833697&gclid=Cj0KCQjwjN-SBhCkARIsACsrBz4It3e6cHtD7zOxcdmYjKpJh4fR20Tyq5iVtc1jvx4C7mjjayOaRUQaAuy3EALw_wcB
Where are the headlights from
Here you go brother: ruclips.net/video/xfe6QUb3ZIc/видео.html
Will this also work on the 12V 98's and below?
98 1/2 down this will not work
@@conquryourfear Roger that. Thanks for the reply.
@@mnkyjumpinonbed it will. Have to ream spindles or swap them. Cut/shorten driver side tie rod. Pitman arm swap for the moog 2009-2012 kit
Hey buddy awesome video was going to ask where did you get the tract bar in the front the red on by the tie rods and all i been looking around can’t find one and also did you have to change out the steering box or is it the stock one still
Track bar by Spohn. When I installed it I already switched over to a different steering box (Borgeson). But in all honesty I do not believe it makes a difference when it comes to installing the track bar
Do you have the link for the track bar
@@gunnysrt1211 it has been a minute since I did that. But here’s a link to the store.
www.spohn.net/shop/1994-1999-Dodge-Ram-4x4/Adjustable-Front-Track-Bar-4-8-Lift-1994-2002-Dodge-Ram-4x4-1500-2500-3500.html
Will this fit on a 2nd gen 2500? If so, I'm ordering it Friday.
What year?
@@conquryourfear 1997
@@theezeelife292 Im wondering the same thing. Mine is a 1995 2500.
@@donnylisa3810 Mine's a 97 2500 with the 360.
@@theezeelife292 I've been debating just going the Synergy route but if i could find out for sure that this Moog will fit without having to ream the knuckles, I'm sure it'll do the job just fine. Your 97 and my 95 should have the same size knuckles regardless of the engine size. Mines a 12V. Let me know if you find out and ill do the same. Hope someone can answer our question.
Would this work on a 95 3500 4×4
I do not see why not
Well let me see if I can do some homework and make sure
can i upgrade my steering to this on my 97 12 valve?
No sir. 98 1/2 to 2002
Need the pitman arm swapped if your 1999 and older for this moog kit
Hey bud did you have a stock pitman arm, or stock replacement?
Stock Pitman arm
Just be careful when you Disconnect it the Pitman arm stays exactly where it is
@@conquryourfear no issues with this steering linkage being for a 09+?
@@conquryourfear just trying to triple check lol.
@@jaykizzle7309 it’s the one I used. The difference in thickness is like night and day. You’ll feel safer and the truck more durable
What year is
your truck?
2002
Did you change your steering box?
I was told 4th gen steering box was a direct swap also...
I went with the Borgenson box a couple years ago
@@conquryourfear was the borg box worth the investment?
@@thuss5162 I have mixed feelings about that box. Steering is way too easy while driving; like super easy to turn. I think I would prefer a little more firmness. Am I making any sense?
I've also heard that the 4th gen steering box bolts right up and is much heavier duty
@@Da9guy1993 REALLY??? NOW THAT'S INTERESTING
what is the red bar?
Upgraded track bar. Straight
@@conquryourfear link to the trac bar ?
@@conquryourfear do you have a link for that trac bar ?
@@miguelsias973 www.spohn.net/shop/2000-2002-Dodge-Ram-4x4/Adjustable-Front-Track-Bar-Front-Control-Arms-Package-2000-2002-Dodge-Ram-4x4-1500-2500-3500.html
Does this fit first gen 😭
Have no clue. Sorry.
can this be done to a gen2 1500 (gasser) ??
Is yours a 4x4?
@@conquryourfear yes,it has the stock dana 44 axle.
@@conquryourfear i also plan to do a zone 5 in lift,adjustable track bar,a blue top s.g, thank you for any info on this master plan of mine.
@@marksmith-wh3uf if yours is a 4x4 then it should work for you.
@@marksmith-wh3uf rock n roll
It work for 2500?
As long as it’s a 1998 1/2, 1999, 2000, 2001, and 2002.
you still actively, respond to comments? getting ready to do this,
Sure. If I can help I will help
@@conquryourfear conqurying my self and first dodge ever, 2001 ram 3500, and definatly needs the track bar, looking in to the " while in there" upgrades. i really cant do it all at once, tho, should i upgrade the track bar or just replace the track bar (moog 90$), and upgrade the steering. little look see at the steering box and little wonky , so it needs replaced, but what first lol or can you put the steering box stabilizer kit work for OEM? sooooo much info and back and forth forums on what to do, or buy. i personally rely on some ones experiance, with, guess just lookign fo your experance.
@@marineswarm congrats on getting your rig. i’ve been into my truck for the past seven years doing many upgrades. The upgrades did not come all at once. money is always a factor. So piece by piece I have upgraded my truck. I would start with the swaybar end links, the steering bar as shown in this video, a straight track bar, control arms, then the ball joints and wheel bearings. That should keep you a little busy!!
Dodge front ends are probably the worst ones! There are alot of joints with bushings that were out. A little wera/play in any one of them can cause any number of things up to the famous 'death wobble'! If u think your steering box is worn out, I think I would replace that 1st. Then you can go at the other front end components as u have time and money. I would not replace any front end with stock parts. Too many Chinese knock offs that are just no good. I would do your research to find out which upgrade you want to go with, then bite the bullet and spend the Xtra money. You will probly regret it if you dont.
@@rgnichols567 very well said
Doesn't show having to drill and taper ream the spindles. ??? Just getting them out would be more than an hour and a half so definitely do your research before you just buy this setup.
Just for the record, I did not drill and taper ream the spindles.
@@conquryourfear how can that be true? I’d be thrilled to be wrong! But literally every article and video I’ve seen says it must be done.
@@SplitWoodAcres I can do another video showing no modification. I don’t know what else to say.
@@conquryourfear bro I think you’d get a lot of views if you could prove everyone wrong and show that! Cause I’d buy the parts right now and give you a piece for saving me like $800 over synergy
@@SplitWoodAcres I will do another video brother. And will let ya know. Thanks.