I receive no commission from these sales. This list is simply my favorite parts after years of experimenting: COMPLETE KIT: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/complete-front-end-upgrade-kits/products/ultimate-3rd-gen-steering-package EMF SHIMS www.cjcoffroad.com/EMF-DODGE-RAM-INTERMEDIATE-SHAFT-BUSHING-p/emfbushing.htm MOPAR STEERING SHAFT: www.moparamerica.com MOPAR/REDHEAD STEERING BOXES: www.cjcoffroad.com/Dodge-Ram-2500-3500-4x4-Steering-Boxes-s/825.htm MOPAR 08+ LINKAGE: www.cjcoffroad.com/Mopar-2008-5-Dodge-HD-Steering-Upgrade-p/mopar-52122362al.htm SYNERGY HD STEERING: www.cjcoffroad.com/Synergy-2000-2002-Dodge-Ram-Heavy-Duty-Steering-p/8525-02.htm CARLI TRACK BAR: www.cjcoffroad.com/Carli-Dodge-Ram-Adjustable-Track-Bar-UPDATED-p/cs-datb-03.htm EMF/DYNATRAC/CARLI BALL JOINTS: www.cjcoffroad.com/Dodge-Ram-2500-3500-4x4-Ball-Joints-s/828.htm THUREN/FOX/CARLI STABILIZERS: www.cjcoffroad.com/Dodge-Ram-2500-3500-4x4-Steering-Stabilizers-s/826.htm
Another thing I always check is the pitman arm splines. Never caught them loose on my pickups but almost every Kenworth I've driven had loose ones, greatly adding play.
Thanks for the video. I like that you talk quickly, are to the point, explain things clearly, and are very easy to follow along with when you are discussing the different things to check or rule out.
Wow! This guy knows what he’s talking about! There’s gotta be hundreds of RUclipsrs that seem to think they know what they are talking about. Pffft! If your having problems, follow this guys advice and you’ll do great the first time.
For myself, my truck for too long was woefully neglected, so it developed terrible death wobble. The first thing I did that really helped was start rotating the tires frequently and maintaining fairly even and relatively high tire pressure - about 60 PSI seemed to do the trick to allow me to go faster. I then all at once replaced the front steering linkage with the 4th gen t-style, steering damper, pitman arm, ball joints, shocks, and sway bar end-links and bushings with halfway decent replacements. I also had the tech at my tire place tighten the steering gearbox a 1/4 turn when they did the alignment. Absolutely no more death wobble and I can go 90 down the interstate hitting all the bumps and bridge joints. I keep my tires about 50 PSI still since I do a lot of highway driving and some hauling. Last and this summer I took my daughter camping and we got beat to hell driving on the backroads, and we spent more time driving on them becauseI had to go slow than we did camping. That part really wasn't pleasant. Less time driving, more pleasant and fun, easier ride, more time camping. That was my wakeup call. I still have some steering wander so next on my list will be the Carli track bar. The reason I held off on that is that when I get new tires I'm going to level my truck and I'll need to adjust it to those. Not long after that I'll get the Carli sway bar. I'd get them all at once but I won't be able to afford them all and I really need new tires before winter! Will likely get Toyo AT3s since I do a lot of highway driving and need tires that do well in snow and ice. Right now I'm waiting on new ujoints, brake heat guards, and hub assemblies to refit all my brakes since I've already gotten the complete Power Stop Z36 calipers, rotors, and pads. When we were going camping, my brakes badly overheated going down long stretches of steep backroads (yes, I was using 2nd and 3rd downshifting and the Tow-Haul function, it was that steep). Probably next year I'm going to get a decent gearbox, Redhead or the bigger Mopar, along with a new Borgeson steering shaft. I'm on the fence about whether to get a gearbox brace. Eventually I'll replace all the steering components with the top-tier stuff, likely a Synergy linkage, Carli ball joints, Moog or Spicer u-joints, and replace my spring spacer leveler to a full Carli suspension level, at least the Off-Road version but I'd like to go with something nicer with the King shocks. Definitely have to replace my crappy factory rear leaf with the Carli Spring Pack. Then Carli radius arms. Getting new tow mirrors, headlight assemblies, taillight assemblies, and fog lights, will probably do all that this year. Replacing radiator, heater core, water pump, thermostat, cooling fan, and a variety of other little upgrades while I'm in there. When it's all done I'll probably do a video myself!
Sounds like you’ve got your hands full with projects for the truck! You’ve got a solid road map laid out too for getting things done. Should be a killer build that’s ready for anything!
For early 03-08 trucks the MOPAR 09+ steering is direct replacement upgrade. Both my 05 and my 08 dialysis have them, I agree with everything you said, unless you guys with big wheel and tire lifts including dropped pitman arms, those setups, the box brace is so necessary, my 05 on and 8” w, 15.50’s went through 2 stock boxes both chewed through the pitman shaft and seal from the lateral torque, the brace ($80 on Amazon) -+ new box fixed it and the death wobble on that truck. For most people the things mentioned in the video work. Also download Thuren alignment settings and have your local alignment shop set you up to those specs
I liked everything you suggested except the steering box, ive installed several Borgeson boxes and misc parts and all customers have been very happy with the results. Thanks for all the useful info and keep those great vid's coming!!!
My trac bar bushings were so far gone and while doing them i snapped the passenger side trac bar mounting bolt nut that is tack welded from factory on that tab you know? So anyways i had just experienced the death wobble and i installed the Big ol Bushing kit and it was a lofe saver i just have to weld them in place and ill be set. It was daunting with cute little dewalts drilling 1" holes into my trac bar mountings holes but it was worth it. Also went with oressed in bushing as comapred to the 2 half bushing, insert style. Super clean truck you have sir!
One thing I'll add is that the moog linkage is really really good and inexpensive too. Much better than the crappy stock one I took off. Heard good things about the bergeson boxes too
I had an 05 Dodge 3500 with the death wobble. I completely ripped the front end apart and replaced everything with Moog. Moogs parts were much better quality than the OEM and heavy duty. The price was good too.
Just one clarification thing about the steering box braces, they are not intended tighten or fix any steering behavior, they are simply there to keep the steering box from torqueing side to side when you steer the truck and therefore help keep the box from wearing out pre maturely. They absolutely do something on these trucks because just rotating the wheels puts a tremendous amount of side load on the box and its only held on by 3 bolts. these truck frames twist pretty easily and you can check for yourself by driving one wheel on something elevated and try opening the door.
Thanks for the help. Can death wobble come and go? I think I might have had it happen today at 30 mph (2007 5.9 Dodge 2500), pulled over, then started going again all the way home on the highway and no issues? The truck is lifted 6".
Thanks for the great video. It was very informative. I have a question you may be able to answer. I have a 2013 RAM 3500 that has death wobble. I didn't have any death wobbles until I got a recall on the drag link. V06 - A drag link separation can result in a loss of directional steering control. Their fix was to weld the jam nut on the drag link. So my question is: Could this fix be causing my death wobble? Should I replace the welded drag link?
No the weld wouldn’t. My guess is that they removed the drag link to weld it, and damaged one of the joints in the process. If you have a lot of lateral play or popping in the drag link ends, that’s the source! Basically just look for anything with abnormal play.
I noticed you haven’t mentioned moog parts, which I now understand why after installing moog sway bar end links. A month after installation the end links were rusting like no other. Never making another purchase from them
Do you have experience working on any Mercedes Benz 4x4 Sprinter vans. I sold my 05 Dodge 3500 and bought a new Sprinter for my business. I like watching your videos and you helped me figure out my death wobble problem in my Dodge.
Thanks Andrew - great series of videos.....my question - I have a 2006 Dodge 2500.....Did you replace the OEM track bar with the adjustable Carli track bar? Or do they make a non-adjustable track bar?
Yes, I went with the Carli track bar. It’s adjustable to go from stock length to 3” lift, and taller lifts when using a track bar and stock length bar. Hands down the nicest track bar for these trucks on the market.
First time I encountered a death wobble was in a 1979 K1500 chevy which was only 2-3 years old. Needed bushings in front. Death wobble has pretty much affected most 4x4 no matter who manufactured it Chevy, Ford, Dodge/Ram. The first fix should be the cheapest - get a master bushing kit. Often the most expensive fix is done first and doesn't fix the death wobble.
You mentioned the steering box brace being a waste of money. I currently have play at my pitman arm/steering box. I was thinking of adding the brace to see if it would fix and/or help my issue. With what going on is that a sign that my steering box needs replaced?
Got my first dodge 3rd gen,its a 2002 4x4.stock rims and tires drove great,I put 20"×10 rims with 33"x12.5 tires and it still drove great at all speeds. I just put 20"x12 rims with 33"12.5 tires today and sure enough I have horrible wobble in the front at 50mph.is it safe to say it's the tires?
Lots of information and straight to the point, love it. I have a question, I have an 06 2500 with 200,000 miles on it. At 170,000 miles I replaced the steering box, ball joints, and wheel hubs and put on a dodge off road steering brace. The steering box was stock but I believe the ball joints are good quality. My truck still has a LOT of play. I ordered thuren trac bar, sway bar, springs, and steering linkage. Should I replace the stock box with something better while I’m at it?
Read up on Gearbox steering stabilizer. Have the same truck with same amount of miles. Now fixing death wobble and my next add on is the gearbox stabilizer bar. People say this tightens up the steering alot.
great videos, my 2014 Ram 3500 developed the "death wobble" the other day and I have it narrowed down to the track bar. Have you heard of the BD diesel track bars? I've read good reviews on them up here in Canada and also ordered the steering box stabilizer kit. I can't seem to find the proper Fox steering dampener kit for the '14 so I've been checking out the Bilstein 5100 dual shock kit. Keep up the good work on the videos!
Thanks Andrew. I'm considering buying a second-gen that has death wobble and this helps. I also picked up some alpha rex led headlights from CJC for my third gen. They work and look awesome!
The steering box brace does not do much, if anything, to fix death wobble. But I do highly recommend them, especially if you have the earlier smaller steering box and larger tires. They support the sector shaft. I installed mine after I broke the sector shaft. Luckily, I was only going about 10 mph when it snapped. And when I moved up to the larger steering box, I was told I no longer need the brace, but I’d rather have the added security even though I had to buy a new one to fit the bigger sector shaft.
Before purchase the truck ran fine, suspension great, seemed to absorb bumps great. Upon purchase of a 2022 ram 2500 diesel. I had them put a 3inch leveling kit in it. It rides really rough now and when we go over a bunch of bumps in a row it death wobbles so bad we have to stop, it starts bouncing off the road or into another lane. Is it worth messing with the leveling kit or is a 4inch lift kit better as I hear a stage 2, 4 lift would solve the problem. Your thoughts
So Give got this shaking issue. Couldn't go above 50mph. Replaced wheel bearings and steering stabilizor and could go to 60 before it started to wobble violently. Replaced my tie rod(both ends were way out of tolerance) and got an alignment. Now itself down to a shuddering/bad vibration at 60mph. Not to mention I know have a light vibration between 30-35 now. Would a steering box stabilizor or something like that fix this issue? Been 5 months since Give been on the highway due to all of these issues
You just have to systematically work item by item? Does anything have play? It sounds like you’ve replaced things, but you have to take the time to really see what’s causing the issue before buying parts.
@@JustDiesels oh yea, I've been doing tests both myself and with some folks who know a lot more than me. The part replacing has been over the course of about 4 months
I have an 03 dodge 2500. I recently got death wobble. Thought it was the linkage assembly so I replaced it with moog but I still have it. Definitely not my ball joints. Idk about the track bar
Andrew. Love your 3rd gen! I have one that’s almost identical. Same color match, all the same Carli upgrades. I purchased a 2.0 series fox steering stabilizer. Can U recommend a tube clamp that will mount to the center of the stock tie rod
I have found fox mounts in 1 1/8” and 1 3/8”, but I get 1 1/4” when I measure the stock tubing. I’m trying not to have to replace my linkage with larger tubing
I know it's 4 years later, but you skipped over looking for steering box play, then when discussing parts to replace worn units, you mentioned steering boxes. How much play, if any is to be in a steering box when turning the wheel side to side?
Dude amazing video. 07 Ram 2500 HD hemi. I just replaced my stabilizer links. I also just replaced my brakes myself. I made a video to start my own channel. Anyways these videos are absolutely awesome from all the 3rd Gen Ram community. I'm a Carpenter but I grew up around mechanics in my family back in East Central North Dakota. Keep it up, great video.
Please help me!!! I've replaced damn near every steering part on my 04 ram 3500 quad cab and it still wanders.. new parts: ZF PS pump, all new edelman lines, edelman ps cooler, redhead 4bolt steering gear, energy track bar bushings, new(used) steering column, new balljoints, new spicer steering linkage, new borgenson intermediate shaft. since upgrading lines, pump, gearbox it whines and squeals. I don't know what to do and the local shop tells me it's "good" and I should accept it. this is the second new ps pump and it still squeals. possible I got a defective new redhead?
A steering box stabilizer is worth the money( they are just over $100) if you lift your truck and put oversized tires on. The steering on these trucks are designed for the factory sized tires.
The gearbox brace helps prolong the life in the end of that expensive gearbox id recommend it on any truck be nice if they had them for other brands ones for dodges can be aquired of ebay for reasonable price i bought cheapest on and have gotten really good life out of it
I put my finger on the bolts when checking for play in the steering and while wheel is being turned. The cheap steel wheels were a major cause of the problems with Jeeps due to being out of round.
Tried the steering brace on a 96. May have helped a little. Been through ti rod ends, mechanic thought track bar frame hole was worn and welded. Still has it. Mechanic has checked the rest of front end. Next is trying different tires. After that is a new t style tie rod setup. Looking at DOR for that. Total cost overall will be about $3k.
Thanks for you content. I have a 2013 RAM 1500 4x4 with 91K miles, and after installation of new YOKOHAMA GEOLANDAR A/T G015 tires I'm getting a vibration / wobble (not death wobble) at about 50 miles per hour and up, from the front of the truck back. I plan to follow your recommendations about diagnosis, but wonder if you have any suggestions for this Model year? May thanks!
I have a 2010 Ram 2500 with 215000 miles. It has a 2 inch leveling kit that has been on there for probably 150000 miles with no issues. I recently developed death wobble when I hit a certain bump at about 75 mph. Everything on the truck is stock. Just replaced tie rod and drag link assembly(OEM), replaced track bar bushings, replaced left side ball joints,(right ones are tight) rotated tires as well as balanced them. Everything else is tight. None of this has made any difference whatsoever. I've owned this truck since brand new and never had any issues. Needless to say I am beyond frustrated. Any advice?
I have a questions.06 megacab Cummins… Why is my steering wheel so off, I just put a psc steering box, freedom off-road track bar, ffs drag link and tie rods, and kryptonite ball joints. I have the drag link and tie rod off after installing new ball joints and steering, and my steering wheel is at 5 o’clock, everything is splined including the steering wheel. So why is it so far off, I don’t wanna take turning capability by moving the pitman arm….kinda confusing
Great video. Agree with everything u said. But the gear box brace isn't something u feel a benefit from it's just supposed to brase the shaft coming out of the gear box so it doesn't get lose like the factory one did. But with that steering stabilizer u have I'm not sure its nessisary.
Make sure you only do what you need. No sense in replacing parts that are still good, especially since this stuff isn’t cheap. If you wanted a carbon copy of my truck, you’d be looking a little under 4k in parts give or take. You can definitely do it for a lot less with the parts options I mention in the video/links though.
I recently bought the same Fox ATS stabilizer but mine doesn't have the bracket that mounts under the trac bar like yours does. It has a bolt that is supposed to go through the trac bar bushing and the stabilizer as well. Is that an optional piece I should've bought? I'm also going to install a Carli adjustable trac bar and synergy steering kit at the same time so I'd like to have everything at once ready to go.
Yeah you might not have bought the right one. You need the one with the track bar mount, and the machined tie rod bracket! The one I linked in the pinned comment has that bracket for the tie rod.
@@JustDiesels I just checked the link, I purschased from CJC off road, I chose the 03-13 option. I'll have to take a better look when I get home from work. I must've just missed something. I gave it a brief look over for damage and read through the instructions quickly, must've skipped something.
I have an 03 Ram 2500 Cummins Quad Cab. Could you send me a detailed list of the steering and front end components you used on your truck ? Obviously adjusted to my 03 model year if it’s not the same as your 05 At 18 years old and 185k miles, it’s time to completely rebuild the front end. It’s age and wear has been multiplied by the 35 inch Toyo Tires
Im really curious to hear your opinion on the Carli torsion sway bar for a street truck. Ive heard it makes the truck handle incredibly better on the street.
It makes it handle better everywhere. Heck I talked my friend into one for his stock 2005 Ram and it was a huge improvement! Now coming at a driveway diagonally doesn’t land him in the passenger seat haha.
@@JustDiesels What Steering Box brace are You using? Was hoping to use my existing steering brace with the Carli Sway Bar... Great video BTW. Thanks for sharing...
The gearbox bracket is more for preventing premature wear especially with over sized tires. Like you said the steering gearbox is pricey. Cheap insurance in my mind
Can we get some prices? I think you mentioned 8-10 parts saying how pricey they are but no price? What am I expecting? How much can good ball joints cost?
What are your thoughts on Thuren’s drag link? My entire front end is thuren and im totally digging your carli setup. Ive replaced the drag link with MOOG 3 times already in the last couple of years. Tired of the constant replacing so i just bought the thuren drag link with the heim joints. Was wondering if you had any thoughts on the product
Yeah Moog just doesn’t have quality parts for these trucks! Thuren’s drag link is awesome, but since it uses hiems it’s going to make some noise and be pretty difficult to align. As long as you accept that you’re going to get something that’s head and shoulders better than Moog! Synergy is a happy medium since it’s easy to align and work with, but the joints are nowhere near as durable and strong as a Heim joint.
I’ve heard the steering box braces work better if you have a factory box or standard redhead replacement. If you go with the big box, they’re not necessary. Any thoughts on that?
I had one on the factory box too and I just don’t really think they do a whole lot on the boxed frame trucks! If you look at it from a dollars spent for improvement perspective, the ratio just doesn’t work out. On a second gen that totally changes and they’re well worth it.
I have a 2021 ram 1500 limited longhorn and I have a creaking noise when turning the steering wheel left or right. It sounds like plastic creaking. Any ideas? Thanks
Maybe not “the” problem but definitely a problem. Bushings probably shot. In my experience the bushings are really hard to change and it’s probably best to buy a new track bar with the bushings in it.
Which items do you recommend? I have a 2007 1500 Megacab (Actually a 2500) and the steering does feel sloppy. There seem to be a few extra parts on the list.
Steering box brace isn't really a waste, it adds a 3rd pivot point to the turning shaft of the Steering box. They have a pivot in the box on the top then one on the bottom were it protrudes out for the pitman arm to bolt to, that added leverage can and will wear out the box sooner, if anybody doesn't understand leverage then return to 1st grade, I believe it's explained there. Adding this 3rd location helps relieve the stress put onto the the length and puts some significant strength there, with your truck being as beast as it is with 37s and such, it will help the box last much longer. Love the channel and love the truck! She is stunning
The ball joints are perfect, but the steering tie rod end links are shot. The drag link joints are still okay though. The lower is just starting to develop a little play like you can see in the video.
Yeah definitely! My truck has Yukon Spin free hubs. Honestly though I'm not sure if they're worth the price. The previous owner put them on back in 2010 or so, but if it were up to me I'd probably stick to the OEM hubs.
just a little video export trick, exporting at a higher bitrate will get rid of the blotchiness in the video. Nice video though man! Some of the best for these trucks
It’s always a hit and miss game with RUclips on exports! If you have any recommendations for settings I’m all ears! I’ve been using the whoismatt 1920x1080 settings for a bit, but I’m game to try anything else! Shoot me a message on Instagram @avvblanc 👍
Currently looking at EMF ball joints for my 97 Cummins. I talked my dad into Carli joints on his 03 Cummins along with Mopar 08.5+ HD steering, new unit bearings, and u-joints. It was expensive but the steering was tight in that truck after the upgrades. If Carli made ball joints for my 97, I'd pay $800 today. Sadly they don't and they never will. If anyone has input on ball joints for a 97 please speak up. I'm ordering Synergy HD steering linkage and Carli control arms today. But I need ball joints and unit bearings next. I just found this channel but this guy missed unit bearings. My dad's were shot, and mine probably are too. Be sure to buy quality, as there is a LOT of junk on the market. And it doesn't help that those bearing assemblies are super expensive for third gens.
With someone inside turning the steering back and forth....put on some nitrile/ disposable gloves and pinch the joints. You will get used to the difference of a joint articulating and one with a lot of play. You may not feel it good with a leather work glove. And know the spec. Some joints have a lot of play from the factory. Live and learn.
Dude... Great video. Thank you. I'm actually flying to go buy my new (to me) Ram 2500, this week. And I'll certainly put some of this knowledge to good use to see if it has any issues before I drive it home.
I receive no commission from these sales. This list is simply my favorite parts after years of experimenting:
COMPLETE KIT: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/complete-front-end-upgrade-kits/products/ultimate-3rd-gen-steering-package
EMF SHIMS www.cjcoffroad.com/EMF-DODGE-RAM-INTERMEDIATE-SHAFT-BUSHING-p/emfbushing.htm
MOPAR STEERING SHAFT: www.moparamerica.com
MOPAR/REDHEAD STEERING BOXES: www.cjcoffroad.com/Dodge-Ram-2500-3500-4x4-Steering-Boxes-s/825.htm
MOPAR 08+ LINKAGE: www.cjcoffroad.com/Mopar-2008-5-Dodge-HD-Steering-Upgrade-p/mopar-52122362al.htm
SYNERGY HD STEERING: www.cjcoffroad.com/Synergy-2000-2002-Dodge-Ram-Heavy-Duty-Steering-p/8525-02.htm
CARLI TRACK BAR: www.cjcoffroad.com/Carli-Dodge-Ram-Adjustable-Track-Bar-UPDATED-p/cs-datb-03.htm
EMF/DYNATRAC/CARLI BALL JOINTS: www.cjcoffroad.com/Dodge-Ram-2500-3500-4x4-Ball-Joints-s/828.htm
THUREN/FOX/CARLI STABILIZERS: www.cjcoffroad.com/Dodge-Ram-2500-3500-4x4-Steering-Stabilizers-s/826.htm
Another thing I always check is the pitman arm splines. Never caught them loose on my pickups but almost every Kenworth I've driven had loose ones, greatly adding play.
Good point! I’ve definitely seen trucks with the sector shaft nut loose!
Thanks for the video. I like that you talk quickly, are to the point, explain things clearly, and are very easy to follow along with when you are discussing the different things to check or rule out.
Nailed it. Steering box brace on my 2012 was a waste of money. My 2002 when installed was like someone waved a majic wand.
Wow! This guy knows what he’s talking about! There’s gotta be hundreds of RUclipsrs that seem to think they know what they are talking about. Pffft! If your having problems, follow this guys advice and you’ll do great the first time.
For myself, my truck for too long was woefully neglected, so it developed terrible death wobble. The first thing I did that really helped was start rotating the tires frequently and maintaining fairly even and relatively high tire pressure - about 60 PSI seemed to do the trick to allow me to go faster. I then all at once replaced the front steering linkage with the 4th gen t-style, steering damper, pitman arm, ball joints, shocks, and sway bar end-links and bushings with halfway decent replacements. I also had the tech at my tire place tighten the steering gearbox a 1/4 turn when they did the alignment. Absolutely no more death wobble and I can go 90 down the interstate hitting all the bumps and bridge joints. I keep my tires about 50 PSI still since I do a lot of highway driving and some hauling.
Last and this summer I took my daughter camping and we got beat to hell driving on the backroads, and we spent more time driving on them becauseI had to go slow than we did camping. That part really wasn't pleasant. Less time driving, more pleasant and fun, easier ride, more time camping. That was my wakeup call.
I still have some steering wander so next on my list will be the Carli track bar. The reason I held off on that is that when I get new tires I'm going to level my truck and I'll need to adjust it to those. Not long after that I'll get the Carli sway bar. I'd get them all at once but I won't be able to afford them all and I really need new tires before winter! Will likely get Toyo AT3s since I do a lot of highway driving and need tires that do well in snow and ice.
Right now I'm waiting on new ujoints, brake heat guards, and hub assemblies to refit all my brakes since I've already gotten the complete Power Stop Z36 calipers, rotors, and pads. When we were going camping, my brakes badly overheated going down long stretches of steep backroads (yes, I was using 2nd and 3rd downshifting and the Tow-Haul function, it was that steep).
Probably next year I'm going to get a decent gearbox, Redhead or the bigger Mopar, along with a new Borgeson steering shaft. I'm on the fence about whether to get a gearbox brace. Eventually I'll replace all the steering components with the top-tier stuff, likely a Synergy linkage, Carli ball joints, Moog or Spicer u-joints, and replace my spring spacer leveler to a full Carli suspension level, at least the Off-Road version but I'd like to go with something nicer with the King shocks. Definitely have to replace my crappy factory rear leaf with the Carli Spring Pack. Then Carli radius arms.
Getting new tow mirrors, headlight assemblies, taillight assemblies, and fog lights, will probably do all that this year. Replacing radiator, heater core, water pump, thermostat, cooling fan, and a variety of other little upgrades while I'm in there.
When it's all done I'll probably do a video myself!
Sounds like you’ve got your hands full with projects for the truck! You’ve got a solid road map laid out too for getting things done. Should be a killer build that’s ready for anything!
Thank you dude 🙏 awesome
For early 03-08 trucks the MOPAR 09+ steering is direct replacement upgrade. Both my 05 and my 08 dialysis have them, I agree with everything you said, unless you guys with big wheel and tire lifts including dropped pitman arms, those setups, the box brace is so necessary, my 05 on and 8” w, 15.50’s went through 2 stock boxes both chewed through the pitman shaft and seal from the lateral torque, the brace ($80 on Amazon) -+ new box fixed it and the death wobble on that truck. For most people the things mentioned in the video work. Also download Thuren alignment settings and have your local alignment shop set you up to those specs
Best video, by far, I have seen on Ram steering issues. Five stars
I liked everything you suggested except the steering box, ive installed several Borgeson boxes and misc parts and all customers have been very happy with the results. Thanks for all the useful info and keep those great vid's coming!!!
My trac bar bushings were so far gone and while doing them i snapped the passenger side trac bar mounting bolt nut that is tack welded from factory on that tab you know? So anyways i had just experienced the death wobble and i installed the Big ol Bushing kit and it was a lofe saver i just have to weld them in place and ill be set. It was daunting with cute little dewalts drilling 1" holes into my trac bar mountings holes but it was worth it. Also went with oressed in bushing as comapred to the 2 half bushing, insert style. Super clean truck you have sir!
Luke’s link rebuild kit cures track bar slop for $100. Easy rebuild and top end ‘play’ can be adjusted
One thing I'll add is that the moog linkage is really really good and inexpensive too. Much better than the crappy stock one I took off. Heard good things about the bergeson boxes too
I had an 05 Dodge 3500 with the death wobble. I completely ripped the front end apart and replaced everything with Moog. Moogs parts were much better quality than the OEM and heavy duty. The price was good too.
Just one clarification thing about the steering box braces, they are not intended tighten or fix any steering behavior, they are simply there to keep the steering box from torqueing side to side when you steer the truck and therefore help keep the box from wearing out pre maturely. They absolutely do something on these trucks because just rotating the wheels puts a tremendous amount of side load on the box and its only held on by 3 bolts. these truck frames twist pretty easily and you can check for yourself by driving one wheel on something elevated and try opening the door.
Thanks for the help. Can death wobble come and go? I think I might have had it happen today at 30 mph (2007 5.9 Dodge 2500), pulled over, then started going again all the way home on the highway and no issues? The truck is lifted 6".
Thanks for the great video. It was very informative. I have a question you may be able to answer. I have a 2013 RAM 3500 that has death wobble. I didn't have any death wobbles until I got a recall on the drag link. V06 - A drag link separation can result in a loss of directional steering control. Their fix was to weld the jam nut on the drag link. So my question is: Could this fix be causing my death wobble? Should I replace the welded drag link?
No the weld wouldn’t. My guess is that they removed the drag link to weld it, and damaged one of the joints in the process. If you have a lot of lateral play or popping in the drag link ends, that’s the source! Basically just look for anything with abnormal play.
mopar big box and emf ball joints and new oem end links and my 04.5 was TIGHT lol
That was awesome. A lot of face time but it was all pertinent information so I didn't mind. Thanks for your recommendations.
I noticed you haven’t mentioned moog parts, which I now understand why after installing moog sway bar end links. A month after installation the end links were rusting like no other. Never making another purchase from them
They are absolutely garbage sadly!
Thanks for this video. Great explanation of function for someone new to diesels like myself.
Pretty much need my whole front end rebuilt as all my bushings are pretty much gone and steering is all over the place. This video helps!
Did you end up replacing it all? If so how much did it run you for everything?
@@eduardox2609 I bought a front end rebuilt kit on sale for only $200
I replaced sway bar link ends so far
I need to buy all the bushing, is their any complete butting kits out there
do you think a leveling kit of 2''- 2.5'' provides a negative caster with stock control arms to add to death wobble
Do you have experience working on any Mercedes Benz 4x4 Sprinter vans. I sold my 05 Dodge 3500 and bought a new Sprinter for my business. I like watching your videos and you helped me figure out my death wobble problem in my Dodge.
Thanks Andrew - great series of videos.....my question - I have a 2006 Dodge 2500.....Did you replace the OEM track bar with the adjustable Carli track bar? Or do they make a non-adjustable track bar?
Yes, I went with the Carli track bar. It’s adjustable to go from stock length to 3” lift, and taller lifts when using a track bar and stock length bar. Hands down the nicest track bar for these trucks on the market.
First time I encountered a death wobble was in a 1979 K1500 chevy which was only 2-3 years old. Needed bushings in front. Death wobble has pretty much affected most 4x4 no matter who manufactured it Chevy, Ford, Dodge/Ram. The first fix should be the cheapest - get a master bushing kit. Often the most expensive fix is done first and doesn't fix the death wobble.
Thuren makes a good track bar as well in Oregon
Don Thuren made the original heavy duty track bar. I've had mine on my Megacab since 2006 and it's still rock solid.
Me too. Thuren is best.
You mentioned the steering box brace being a waste of money. I currently have play at my pitman arm/steering box. I was thinking of adding the brace to see if it would fix and/or help my issue. With what going on is that a sign that my steering box needs replaced?
That’s going to actually be internal in the box. It’s time for a new one!
Got my first dodge 3rd gen,its a 2002 4x4.stock rims and tires drove great,I put 20"×10 rims with 33"x12.5 tires and it still drove great at all speeds. I just put 20"x12 rims with 33"12.5 tires today and sure enough I have horrible wobble in the front at 50mph.is it safe to say it's the tires?
Lots of information and straight to the point, love it. I have a question, I have an 06 2500 with 200,000 miles on it. At 170,000 miles I replaced the steering box, ball joints, and wheel hubs and put on a dodge off road steering brace. The steering box was stock but I believe the ball joints are good quality. My truck still has a LOT of play. I ordered thuren trac bar, sway bar, springs, and steering linkage. Should I replace the stock box with something better while I’m at it?
Read up on Gearbox steering stabilizer. Have the same truck with same amount of miles. Now fixing death wobble and my next add on is the gearbox stabilizer bar. People say this tightens up the steering alot.
I agree with freddy
great videos, my 2014 Ram 3500 developed the "death wobble" the other day and I have it narrowed down to the track bar. Have you heard of the BD diesel track bars? I've read good reviews on them up here in Canada and also ordered the steering box stabilizer kit. I can't seem to find the proper Fox steering dampener kit for the '14 so I've been checking out the Bilstein 5100 dual shock kit. Keep up the good work on the videos!
Thanks Andrew. I'm considering buying a second-gen that has death wobble and this helps. I also picked up some alpha rex led headlights from CJC for my third gen. They work and look awesome!
Great info. I’ve done a lot to mine but didn’t know about the shims. I’d like to know more about them. My truck seems to drive on its toes.
The steering box brace does not do much, if anything, to fix death wobble. But I do highly recommend them, especially if you have the earlier smaller steering box and larger tires. They support the sector shaft. I installed mine after I broke the sector shaft. Luckily, I was only going about 10 mph when it snapped. And when I moved up to the larger steering box, I was told I no longer need the brace, but I’d rather have the added security even though I had to buy a new one to fit the bigger sector shaft.
Before purchase the truck ran fine, suspension great, seemed to absorb bumps great. Upon purchase of a 2022 ram 2500 diesel. I had them put a 3inch leveling kit in it. It rides really rough now and when we go over a bunch of bumps in a row it death wobbles so bad we have to stop, it starts bouncing off the road or into another lane. Is it worth messing with the leveling kit or is a 4inch lift kit better as I hear a stage 2, 4 lift would solve the problem. Your thoughts
So Give got this shaking issue. Couldn't go above 50mph. Replaced wheel bearings and steering stabilizor and could go to 60 before it started to wobble violently. Replaced my tie rod(both ends were way out of tolerance) and got an alignment. Now itself down to a shuddering/bad vibration at 60mph. Not to mention I know have a light vibration between 30-35 now. Would a steering box stabilizor or something like that fix this issue? Been 5 months since Give been on the highway due to all of these issues
You just have to systematically work item by item? Does anything have play? It sounds like you’ve replaced things, but you have to take the time to really see what’s causing the issue before buying parts.
@@JustDiesels oh yea, I've been doing tests both myself and with some folks who know a lot more than me. The part replacing has been over the course of about 4 months
Nothing else has play at this point
Have you swapped wheels/tires with someone that has a known good set with no vibration?
I have an 03 dodge 2500. I recently got death wobble. Thought it was the linkage assembly so I replaced it with moog but I still have it. Definitely not my ball joints. Idk about the track bar
Wow. Great video. Amazing video quality and love how in depth you went.
I’ve never seen anyone make a real, quality steering video for these trucks so I wanted to make it happen!
Andrew. Love your 3rd gen! I have one that’s almost identical. Same color match, all the same Carli upgrades. I purchased a 2.0 series fox steering stabilizer. Can U recommend a tube clamp that will mount to the center of the stock tie rod
I have found fox mounts in 1 1/8” and 1 3/8”, but I get 1 1/4” when I measure the stock tubing. I’m trying not to have to replace my linkage with larger tubing
I know it's 4 years later, but you skipped over looking for steering box play, then when discussing parts to replace worn units, you mentioned steering boxes. How much play, if any is to be in a steering box when turning the wheel side to side?
Dude what camera do you use and great video super informative
Great video just want to know what are those components connected from the track bar to the sway bar and where did you get them
Not quite sure which parts you're referring to? Mind explaining a little more? Feel free to send me a message on Instagram as well.
Dude amazing video. 07 Ram 2500 HD hemi. I just replaced my stabilizer links. I also just replaced my brakes myself. I made a video to start my own channel. Anyways these videos are absolutely awesome from all the 3rd Gen Ram community. I'm a Carpenter but I grew up around mechanics in my family back in East Central North Dakota. Keep it up, great video.
Hey man great video. I am Not very knowledgeable so when you say track bar do you mean sway bar?
No those are both different parts!
Ive heard that you can put 4th gen steering linkage on a 2nd gen dodge
Is that true??
its called 08.5+ steering uprgade. had it on my 04.5
Please help me!!! I've replaced damn near every steering part on my 04 ram 3500 quad cab and it still wanders.. new parts: ZF PS pump, all new edelman lines, edelman ps cooler, redhead 4bolt steering gear, energy track bar bushings, new(used) steering column, new balljoints, new spicer steering linkage, new borgenson intermediate shaft. since upgrading lines, pump, gearbox it whines and squeals. I don't know what to do and the local shop tells me it's "good" and I should accept it. this is the second new ps pump and it still squeals. possible I got a defective new redhead?
What are your thoughts on apex Chasis?
A steering box stabilizer is worth the money( they are just over $100) if you lift your truck and put oversized tires on. The steering on these trucks are designed for the factory sized tires.
Does this vid apply to 2011 Laramie Hemi with rack and pinion steering?
The gearbox brace helps prolong the life in the end of that expensive gearbox id recommend it on any truck be nice if they had them for other brands ones for dodges can be aquired of ebay for reasonable price i bought cheapest on and have gotten really good life out of it
Whered u get those fogs lights (on the grey truck)
Here's a link: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/ram-lighting-kits/products/cjc-off-road-2003-2009-dodge-ram-fog-light-led-brackets
I put my finger on the bolts when checking for play in the steering and while wheel is being turned. The cheap steel wheels were a major cause of the problems with Jeeps due to being out of round.
Do you think a steering brace would be helpful for a second gen Ram like mine?
100% yes since it’s an open C frame and not boxed like 03+ Rams!
Impressive video !! Your on top of it and def. know your equipment and Ram 🐑💪
Tried the steering brace on a 96. May have helped a little. Been through ti rod ends, mechanic thought track bar frame hole was worn and welded. Still has it. Mechanic has checked the rest of front end. Next is trying different tires. After that is a new t style tie rod setup. Looking at DOR for that. Total cost overall will be about $3k.
Thanks for you content. I have a 2013 RAM 1500 4x4 with 91K miles, and after installation of new YOKOHAMA GEOLANDAR A/T G015 tires I'm getting a vibration / wobble (not death wobble) at about 50 miles per hour and up, from the front of the truck back. I plan to follow your recommendations about diagnosis, but wonder if you have any suggestions for this Model year? May thanks!
I have a 2010 Ram 2500 with 215000 miles. It has a 2 inch leveling kit that has been on there for probably 150000 miles with no issues. I recently developed death wobble when I hit a certain bump at about 75 mph. Everything on the truck is stock. Just replaced tie rod and drag link assembly(OEM), replaced track bar bushings, replaced left side ball joints,(right ones are tight) rotated tires as well as balanced them. Everything else is tight. None of this has made any difference whatsoever. I've owned this truck since brand new and never had any issues. Needless to say I am beyond frustrated. Any advice?
Have you looked at the far from stock steering linkage setup
I have but there’s done definite downsides to it.
I have a questions.06 megacab Cummins… Why is my steering wheel so off, I just put a psc steering box, freedom off-road track bar, ffs drag link and tie rods, and kryptonite ball joints. I have the drag link and tie rod off after installing new ball joints and steering, and my steering wheel is at 5 o’clock, everything is splined including the steering wheel. So why is it so far off, I don’t wanna take turning capability by moving the pitman arm….kinda confusing
I have moag ball joints on my 07 with 12 in lift and 44s they have lasted 80k and not showing any play still and they lifetime warranty
Mine started after I leveled the truck. Any suggestions
have you guys ever seen the factory xj trackbar bracket flexing and causing death wobble?
Great video. Agree with everything u said. But the gear box brace isn't something u feel a benefit from it's just supposed to brase the shaft coming out of the gear box so it doesn't get lose like the factory one did. But with that steering stabilizer u have I'm not sure its nessisary.
How much would I be spending if I was to do all of those upgrades. I’m looking at a used 07 with a 5.9 and I’m sure it’s going to need front end work.
Make sure you only do what you need. No sense in replacing parts that are still good, especially since this stuff isn’t cheap. If you wanted a carbon copy of my truck, you’d be looking a little under 4k in parts give or take. You can definitely do it for a lot less with the parts options I mention in the video/links though.
What was the total cost of everything you talked about in this video?
My guess would be at least $5k
Love the channel man, where did you find the back fender liners for your 3rd gen?
I recently bought the same Fox ATS stabilizer but mine doesn't have the bracket that mounts under the trac bar like yours does. It has a bolt that is supposed to go through the trac bar bushing and the stabilizer as well. Is that an optional piece I should've bought? I'm also going to install a Carli adjustable trac bar and synergy steering kit at the same time so I'd like to have everything at once ready to go.
The truck is an 07 Megacab, 2500, 5.9, 4x4 if that helps.
Yeah you might not have bought the right one. You need the one with the track bar mount, and the machined tie rod bracket! The one I linked in the pinned comment has that bracket for the tie rod.
@@JustDiesels I just checked the link, I purschased from CJC off road, I chose the 03-13 option. I'll have to take a better look when I get home from work. I must've just missed something. I gave it a brief look over for damage and read through the instructions quickly, must've skipped something.
I have an 03 Ram 2500 Cummins Quad Cab. Could you send me a detailed list of the steering and front end components you used on your truck ? Obviously adjusted to my 03 model year if it’s not the same as your 05
At 18 years old and 185k miles, it’s time to completely rebuild the front end. It’s age and wear has been multiplied by the 35 inch Toyo Tires
Love your truck, any shops in the inland empire you recommend to install a synergy steering kit and steering stabilizer?
I don’t really know too many in that area sadly!
Im really curious to hear your opinion on the Carli torsion sway bar for a street truck. Ive heard it makes the truck handle incredibly better on the street.
It makes it handle better everywhere. Heck I talked my friend into one for his stock 2005 Ram and it was a huge improvement! Now coming at a driveway diagonally doesn’t land him in the passenger seat haha.
Just Diesels exactly what i was hoping to hear. Ill be getting one then thanks!!
@@JustDiesels What Steering Box brace are You using? Was hoping to use my existing steering brace with the Carli Sway Bar... Great video BTW. Thanks for sharing...
My steering wheel has little play and when the van is stopped you can hear a blow in the steering box, does that mean it is damaged?
The gearbox bracket is more for preventing premature wear especially with over sized tires. Like you said the steering gearbox is pricey. Cheap insurance in my mind
My 99 frame flexes at the steering gearbox.
Great format for your videos. Direct and to the point. Thank you.
Gearbox brace helped the wonder in my truck 4th gen
Experienced a death wobble in 03ram 2500 pretty scary. Dealer had no idea what caused it.
Can we get some prices? I think you mentioned 8-10 parts saying how pricey they are but no price? What am I expecting? How much can good ball joints cost?
Just click the links I provided for pricing!
@@JustDiesels I’m going to look at a 05 2500 cumming with 266k miles. How much of those miles would be worrying if there towing?
What are your thoughts on Thuren’s drag link? My entire front end is thuren and im totally digging your carli setup. Ive replaced the drag link with MOOG 3 times already in the last couple of years. Tired of the constant replacing so i just bought the thuren drag link with the heim joints. Was wondering if you had any thoughts on the product
Yeah Moog just doesn’t have quality parts for these trucks! Thuren’s drag link is awesome, but since it uses hiems it’s going to make some noise and be pretty difficult to align. As long as you accept that you’re going to get something that’s head and shoulders better than Moog! Synergy is a happy medium since it’s easy to align and work with, but the joints are nowhere near as durable and strong as a Heim joint.
I’ve heard the steering box braces work better if you have a factory box or standard redhead replacement. If you go with the big box, they’re not necessary. Any thoughts on that?
I had one on the factory box too and I just don’t really think they do a whole lot on the boxed frame trucks! If you look at it from a dollars spent for improvement perspective, the ratio just doesn’t work out. On a second gen that totally changes and they’re well worth it.
Just Diesels fair enough. I don’t have one personally, I am just basing that on what I’ve read
@@redsrt4 If Your running Big tires and any kinda lift they really help...
I have a 2021 ram 1500 limited longhorn and I have a creaking noise when turning the steering wheel left or right. It sounds like plastic creaking. Any ideas? Thanks
My 05 2500 squeaks too, I'm thinking bushings, the OEM rubber wears out, gotta go with urethane. Cheap kits out there too.
Mine was dry ball joint
If I can move the track bar by hand enough to clank on metal, do you think that’s the problem??
Maybe not “the” problem but definitely a problem. Bushings probably shot. In my experience the bushings are really hard to change and it’s probably best to buy a new track bar with the bushings in it.
@ it was the problem. Bought new bushings, pressed them in, fixed it right up
I’ve been eagerly expecting this video.
Which items do you recommend? I have a 2007 1500 Megacab (Actually a 2500) and the steering does feel sloppy. There seem to be a few extra parts on the list.
I have the same truck. Any solutions?
Awesome info! And love those headlights:) I assume switchback bulbs in the signal spot, but what about the strip on bottom, is that switchback too?
Yep! That’s a LED switchback strip. The lights are all custom built 👍
Itv works be nice for you to point at or highlight what your referring to when you speak about all these different bars.
Steering box brace isn't really a waste, it adds a 3rd pivot point to the turning shaft of the Steering box. They have a pivot in the box on the top then one on the bottom were it protrudes out for the pitman arm to bolt to, that added leverage can and will wear out the box sooner, if anybody doesn't understand leverage then return to 1st grade, I believe it's explained there. Adding this 3rd location helps relieve the stress put onto the the length and puts some significant strength there, with your truck being as beast as it is with 37s and such, it will help the box last much longer. Love the channel and love the truck! She is stunning
Are your ball joints worn or is your link just "rolling" back and forth?
The ball joints are perfect, but the steering tie rod end links are shot. The drag link joints are still okay though. The lower is just starting to develop a little play like you can see in the video.
Can you make a video on ur selectable hubs / wheel bearings soon?
Yeah definitely! My truck has Yukon Spin free hubs. Honestly though I'm not sure if they're worth the price. The previous owner put them on back in 2010 or so, but if it were up to me I'd probably stick to the OEM hubs.
@@JustDiesels SKF is the winner for OEM style hubs.
A gearbox steering stabilizer fixed 90% of my play
Where did you buy it
It helped mine too. Didnt fix , but helped.
Mine helped for a bit. Planning on getting a new whole steering linkage. Upgrading to the T style. Also rotating my tires. And I need control arms.
@@jorgenunez4328BD Diesel sells some good quality parts.
Mine has slop but not anywhere near as bad as other people, will definitely replace the whole front end and add the stabilizer an additional support .
I made a steering box brace and I felt a difference rite away.
Great video thank you your a smart young man
Great video and well explained. Thanks for sharing 😊
just a little video export trick, exporting at a higher bitrate will get rid of the blotchiness in the video. Nice video though man! Some of the best for these trucks
It’s always a hit and miss game with RUclips on exports! If you have any recommendations for settings I’m all ears! I’ve been using the whoismatt 1920x1080 settings for a bit, but I’m game to try anything else! Shoot me a message on Instagram @avvblanc 👍
@@JustDiesels haha forsure! For 1080p I usually go for 10mbps but make sure you've got the max export settings boxes checked!
Mine death wobbles on deceleration I replaced the rotors and it fixed it
Currently looking at EMF ball joints for my 97 Cummins. I talked my dad into Carli joints on his 03 Cummins along with Mopar 08.5+ HD steering, new unit bearings, and u-joints. It was expensive but the steering was tight in that truck after the upgrades. If Carli made ball joints for my 97, I'd pay $800 today. Sadly they don't and they never will. If anyone has input on ball joints for a 97 please speak up. I'm ordering Synergy HD steering linkage and Carli control arms today. But I need ball joints and unit bearings next.
I just found this channel but this guy missed unit bearings. My dad's were shot, and mine probably are too. Be sure to buy quality, as there is a LOT of junk on the market. And it doesn't help that those bearing assemblies are super expensive for third gens.
For a 97 Dynatrac or EMF ball joints are the way to go! You’re right on unit bearings though. My preference on those is SKF or a free spin system. 👍
Great video as always!
With someone inside turning the steering back and forth....put on some nitrile/ disposable gloves and pinch the joints. You will get used to the difference of a joint articulating and one with a lot of play. You may not feel it good with a leather work glove. And know the spec. Some joints have a lot of play from the factory. Live and learn.
What about sway bar end links
Sway bar end links will never cause death wobble, but are always nice to replace. Thuren and Carli are the way to go for those.
Great video as usual 👍🏻
Thanks 👍
Don’t forget the wheel-hubs.
I don't have death wobble but still watched anywags, my 02 ram 1500 doesn't have this issue luckily
Thanks for the info 😊
Death wobble lose suspension some time there are bolt/nuts that torture to a point that 3/4 torture wrench torture high enough
Dude... Great video. Thank you. I'm actually flying to go buy my new (to me) Ram 2500, this week. And I'll certainly put some of this knowledge to good use to see if it has any issues before I drive it home.
You know it's a love of the truck/cummins when we will get on a dang plane to drive her home
Just subscribed. Great videos, keep up the good work.