Have I fallen out of love with AMS 2?
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- It's been a long time since I brought #AMS2 content to the channel - does that mean I've given up on the sim?
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The vintage and retro F1 cars and tracks with added mod skins and AI are outstanding, especially in VR. I will never get tired of replicating a season from the 60s, 70s, 80s or 90s with real historic weather plus it’s so simple to set up a custom championship. This alone sells the game for me and I’m so appreciative that this even exists and with VR. It’s at a high standard already for this type of content and anything else is a bonus.
I have all of this in AC, just with better physics...
@@viktorianas I have AC too with pure, F1 mods, etc. and love the physics but with AMS2 historical F1 comes in game or as DLCs and it’s just so simple to setup an historical championship with the historical versions of the tracks. 1970’s Spa and 1971 Nurburgring are incredible in VR and look way better in the headset than AC. Of course, physics is a matter of opinion and each to their own except for the fanboys who know for a fact that their sim is the best.
@@garytebbenham6843 yes, AC is like a DIY project, I get your point AMS2 is just less headache to setup. Regarding VR visuals, 2REAL PP-Filter for VR made the biggest difference for me on top of Pure ofc.
@@viktorianas thanks. Will try out that filter.
Hey Ben. Another banger of a video man. I agree with so much of this. There are certain car/track scenarios where AMS2 hits and frankly is hard to beat. But many other race scenarios feel frustratingly incomplete. I hope that before development wraps up for this title they can smooth out the AI. In my opinion it’s the last major hurdle for Reiza to overcome. The rest of the shortcomings I can live with.
Ah thanks Mike! Really appreciate you stopping by. I think I’m going to take a leaf out of your book and run some of the historic series mods to see if that helps with some of the field bunching. Fingers crossed the 1.6 update delivers some improvements too!
Well put, this is indeed a perceived problem with AMS2 and has been made marginally worse by the change from frequent small updates to larger more substantial ones coming less often.
In Early access there were weekly updates, after main release this switched to monthly, once the physics were more settled the timeline extended again to quarterly.
That doesn't mean an update is coming soon or is currently delayed, it just means things are on the way an will arrive when they're fit for purpose. Not before (Are you listening Turn 10?)...
This slowdown in the pace of updates could be taken as a sign of abandonment in the future. It HAS been by some given that Reiza have been hired in some capacity to assist Ian Bells new venture GTR Revival.. One individual in particular even spammed the forums that AMS2 was already abandoned right after this news leaked about a year ago! Nobody could convince them otherwise... Sigh.....
Not in the LEAST! That aint happening anytime soon! AMS2 is Reizas baby, GTR R is just a consulting "side job" so why would they abandon their main source of income for scraps from someone else's table???
Since that leak that drove one detractor mad with rage and suspicion we've had Adrenaline pack, Formula Hi-Tech, Le Mans and Endurance Pt1, it wouldn't be pt1 if the game was abandoned would it?
IDK if you make a living from YT or just an additional income as a "Side job" but It doesn't make much sense for you to make content if there's nothing new to add to previous videos.
Take it from yet another beta tester though. More content IS coming, the new tyre model IS being added to other cars, We ARE testing them as they arrive in the beta version, even we don't know WHEN it's coming nor do we know what EXACTLY is coming, rest assured though the devs are working hard on it, Us beta testers are doing what we do and reporting any problems so the devs can avoid a BF2024 or Forza Motorsport fiasco.
Like my compatriots I've been trusted by the devs to not leak details and We won't betray that trust with specifics, or even hints, rest assured though, it IS coming...
Better to be delayed and be done RIGHT than rushed out the door just to piss off the limited playerbase that AMS2 has right now..
Just the same as there's not much point in you making vids of the game right now, there's absolutely NO benefit in us testers leaking details which could well be changed as we'd create a false expectation for the masses and be betraying the trust Reiza have given us...
No sim is perfect but for some reason, very likely the strange & egocentric ramblings of RUclipsrs like Broadbent & Gamer Muscle, AMS2 gets more flak than any other. I have them all apart from iRacing & each has its flaws & qualities; in my opinion AMS2 at least tries to fix reported problems while, for example, RF2 lives off an obscure reputation around tyre model as the de facto 'realistic' sim yet it still lags, crashes & flounders as much as it did many years ago. Raceroom is a solid sim that has improved steadily yet, like AMS2, gets little praise. ACC is good but limited so in a different category, as is LMU, which I bought but just can't get into, likely because it reeks of RF2 with slow loading & unreliable performance but mostly because the feel is way too light & twitchy, which ironically is not like RF2 at all. Lastly the F1 games....not good for me, these seem a few levels off realistic compared to the previously mentioned sims but they do have good career modes so appeal to a slightly different audience. Not sure about this content, with the breadth of cars & tracks available AMS2 is going to have a few naff combinations but for the size of the task taken on I think Reiza is doing a fantastic job, one puts the likes of Studio 397 to shame, so perhaps a little less quibbling might be in order?
Hey buddy - nice post. I'm not too sure why AMS 2 falls under the microscope more than others, as you're quite right that all sims come with their flaws and frailties. I don't think my video gives the game or the devs flak as such though - it's just the genuine reason why I don't play it more, and therefore don't make content from it at the moment, whereas previously I have. I get asked that question a fair bit in comments, and people will have decided to sub to the channel expecting more AMS 2 here then there is just now. So I thought it only reasonable to explain 👍
well said
The main issue is lack of purpose. Like a career mode. A good multiplayer experience.
Reiza just recently partnered with lfm. Im not sure if they're going to be adding an official lfm online playlist type thing or just have it set up like acc and ac, but that should bring a lot more people online. Im hoping 1.6 brings people back, and lfm keeps people playing.
Even with the weird stuff going on in the game, it's still my most enjoyable sim racing game when i dont want to go all out.
You'll be in love again with the next major update.
Haha I think so too buddy - last dev update made it sound promising!
@@Ben_LaBroca each dev update made it sound promising. I don´t think they will improve substantially anymore. I stopped investing in their DLCs a year ago. Reiza should have improve AMS1 instead of becoming a PC2 modder.
I just got into AMS 2 after playing AC, RF2, and RaceRoom. (Im new to Sim racing, just got my R5 in November. ) Finally getting AMS 2 a inclusive bundle is like a huge breath of fresh air from the aforementioned games. To get ANYTHING good out of AC you have to bloat it with mods.... lots of mods. As a 31 year old with barely enough time to sit and race, i dont wanna build the game (AC) when its been out for 10 years and still relies on folks hammering out mods to get anything out of the game. Just Kunos SimuLAZYoni per usual. Nobody has time for RF2 because it chugs and loads atrociously. Out of the box AMS 2 provides and gives. Perfect VR, great graphics, huge amount of content, and from what ive learned now, fixed physics. It feels good enough to not be bothered going from AC or RF2. Most of the hate on AMS 2 physics comes from a year or two ago prior to the tyre model update. AMS 2 just works and works well. Just wish more people would see it.
The problem with the physics is that reiza still does not understand the madness engine. And the new tires are jsut another "physics revolution" like two years ago. It looks good and works fine but does not feel like a racing game, it is more like a cruising simulator.
Good video and I agree with your views. Whilst I still drive AMS2 and overall do enjoy it, it has its moments that put me off. Firstly, the physics, whilst improving, sometimes feel odd/slidey compared to others I play (RR, LMU). Secondly, as you mentioned: the AI. Notably for multi-class racing. I did an LMDH/GT3 g2 race at Imola recently. Was back of the LMDH pack (11th out of 12) but when we caught up to the back of the GT3s, I got up to 2nd in one lap because the other LMDH cars just couldn’t get past the slower GT3 cars. That said, I still do enjoy driving in it.
Wait to see what is currently in beta!! The new changes and content is truly good...
I really can’t wait buddy!
My problem with the AI is that they do NOT defend the inside of a corner still. There was a dev update that mentioned AI defending and other improvements are supposed to be added with 1.6 but till then i will not touch the offline part because it is currently too frustrating and just a waste of time. Online on the other hand is enjoyable in the right league.
That's why I insist that official F1 series remains the best single player simRACING game on the market. The racing in that game simply works, and you have a rich and well-structured career mode to give you proper reason to do another race, and that's enough on the market saturated with jack-of-all-trades sims that try to pack as many classes in them as possible, making balancing AI an impossible task, with one exception of ACC, which on the other hand neglected AI past the initial batch of cars and tracks, ending up with identical inconsistency as other sims.
And it's why I will inevitably end up buying F1 24 again this year!!
My biggest problem is that my triple screens keep losing settings, and having to do it over and over is a pain. Sometimes it shows that you have triples the next time it doesn't. When it works is really good but I give up after a couple of weeks just frustrated.
Edit the triplescreensettings file in documents then make it read only to prevent the game from changing it.
I run AMS2 on 2 different rigs (all content). I have never experienced this issue. Is it common?
I don’t know if this is a common problem but have seen multiple users report losing controller configurations and some who lose their video settings. I edit the file and make it read only as the game engine does some converting and rounding of the values if you enter them into the gui menu and I can see some slight distortion across the bezel transition. If I put in my numbers to the text file and make it read only it looks perfect. Had the same issue with PC2 so I think it’s a madness engine thing.
Which other games have better AI racing?
People don't mention it much bit iracings Ai is prob one of the best right now.
rF2 if you let them to qualify
iRacing AI is better and much more consistent.
@@lugs118 iracing requires monthly subscription and buy each content separately, just for AI race it's too much
@@s3nTer true. I have not added up the cost of AMS2 and every DLC I’ve purchased at full price on day of release to see how that compare what I’ve spent on iRacing. At least with iRacing I’m only buying the content I want to race, with AMS2 I’m paying for an awful lot of content I’m not using and in many cases regret purchasing.
I used to love AMS 2 as it reminded me PS3 Gran Tourismo. Unfortunately I got a very bad habbit, which took me years to ged rid of, to use other cars as a sort of guardrails when cornering. After many years of break I returned to iR just for the sake of clean racing, both online or against AI.
put damage on REAL and magically you resolved your bad habits xD
I disagree, AI is still among the best despite its flaws - AC is literally unplayable offline. Physics still feels weird, even LMDH can be abused with unreal slip angles and sliding
What are some fun open wheel cars to drive in ams2?
My personal favourite is the modern Formula USA!
@@Ben_LaBroca is that A DLC? people say that but I’m not seeing it on the list. Also any idea how to turn off vibrations when I’m just driving? Not sure what setting it is but it’s a bit too busy for my liking
Your gonna have to get ready to fall back in love very soon...
Woooo!!
They all over the place with the content.. They released hypercars but the multiclass racing with AI is terrible so I don't know what the point was.
Imsa is coming but again it's multiclass 😅
It needs an LMU type update with daily updates and multiplayer. There's only so much fun you can have with AI.
I don't agree. Not every sim needs to have an iRacing like MP experience. All it needs really is a more stable dedicated server with the capacity for bigger grids. You can already find good MP racing on JustRace, but the leagues are held back by the dedicated server ( still, the RPM league has a full grid for their F1 race this week when I last checked, and some of the other ones do very well ). You can also generally find good online racing in some of the communities like Metz and on RCO. I was in a GT4 race on RCO a few weeks ago in the UK evening time and it was a grid of 14 of us at Montreal - epic door banging fun tbh. All these services/communities are being held back by the dedicated server and Reiza is well aware of this and working on it. There are twice weekly MP tests going on.
@@mikecroshaw9233That’s fair, but it’s just too much friction for me. Having to use third party services to find races in my limited time is such a hassle when you have all of that built into iRacing or even LMU.
@@RyKnocks oh I agree. And I think it's a reason why iRacing dominates. I don't think Reiza can or will make an LMU type system though. And tbh, why should they? Just because we want them to? They've sold a ton of copies of AMS2 as it is and seem quite happy with the way they are working. For me, AMS2 is a great sim to be a bit more casual on, wether its against AI, or on RCO, its good enough for me when I don't want to grind out pace on iRacing or LFM until I'm competitive. I play it for immersion and to chill out a bit. When I want competitive MP I go to iRacing. I hope LMU can add enough content to compete one day.
@@mikecroshaw9233iRacing is going to have game engine, FFB, and tire patch updates this next season. I’m hoping it’s closer to LMU. I love how LMU feels.
@@mikecroshaw9233Agreed. If they can stabilize online - and it’s already improved a lot in that department - and improve server tools then the sky is the limit for how far the community can take it. I’m an Admin for a NA based league and we’re pulling 28 or so for championship races, but that’s with a physical host for P2P which simply isn’t possible for most leagues. The market is there, once it’s ready I think the online options will expand a lot for players.
There’s room for competitive MP that isn’t esports sweat like iRacing or LMU. I’d reckon that’s the want of the majority but gets ignored by vocal minorities. AMS2’s adherence to real rules and scenarios like tyre wear weather and track evolution make it perfect competitive racing without the 500 practice laps guitar hero esports nonsense
Check out content manager and all the really cool mods.. I'm back for more ha
Still my number one single player choice, but I can agree about the inconsistencies with the AI. But I'm pretty casual these days, so it doesn't bother me too much I guess.
If iRacing offered a better price point for those who wanted it for single player only (even including option for pay per play multiplayer, for those who don't want MP all the time) then would have kept it and use the content I own more (currently sitting there unused). Because it's AI is great, championship mode is solid (lots of customization) and overall is still an amazing sim... that said, I am still waiting for dirt oval to get AI support (since there's ZERO dirt oval games on PC, unless you go way back, rely on hit and miss mods, or find something that is arcade style).
I’ve just started playing AMS2 the last couple months and I feel my honeymoon period with the sim is already passing. I absolutely love it, but I agree 100% with the issues you mentioned. I wish Reiza would give us more information about what is coming in the next update and what DLC will be released next.
The biggest problem for me is that the AI can be easily pushed aside. If I want, I just take the ideal line. If the AI blocks harder and overtakes faster, it's really good. But currently the AI is too good-natured and naive. Sometimes it feels like working. Every vehicle is a clone and behaves 95% the same. There is a lack of variations. But that's complaining at a very high level. If Reiza works on it for another 2 years, it could create a simulation like we've never seen before.
Been ages since i played AMS2 and it sounds like the AI have the exact same issues as iRacing, once they were quite good but adding features or trying to fix issues makes it a one step forward and 2 steps back scenario.
Almost impossible to get decent consistant racing at all.
Big fan of AMS its got some very nice features I haven't come across in other sims but just yesterday AI wrecked me twice on 2 seperate occasions during an online session for no apparent reason.. questionable stuff sometimes
Yep fair points. Personally I am hoping the ai improvements coming are significant. Specifically surrounding blue flag behaviour.
Hi also looking for a new game what are you going to play ? Not paying the iracing Tax lol
I looked at my time in sim, AMS2 is actually number 1. I find it really good fun/ relaxing, whilst accepting its not a pure sim iRacing style. I love the 90's F1 and IndyCar, along with the Lmdh's. Really looking forward to the IMSA content that's on the way. With the AI, they can be great and other where its not there - its worst feature is the trains. I would love an in game save feature!
Try AMS1, best AI for so far
Not a consistent experience!
AMS2 has taken a very disappointing development. And if the Formula Gen2 physics will be the new holy grail (announced months ago - but reiza fans love that) only my disappointment increases. Played it today and uninstalled it after some boring laps. The FFB is the most boring of all current sims. Somehow it feels numb.
It seems like AI development hit a ceiling. I've no high hopes.
There are things they can still do with ai and I believe the next update is promising. I’d like to see improved blue flag behaviour and ai making more errors.
@@kevin_m Idk man... it's always like "the next update is promising", "game changer"... but the core issues are always there, update after update. I bet AI will still struggle to overtake each other. I bet AI still will use only one tyre compound. I bet AI still will leave the door open. I bet AI still will be massively slow out of some corners and unrealistically fast out of others.
Prove me wrong, Reiza!
@@sgsfabiano I’ve tested the not for media beta and it’s got some promise. I’m probably a bit too optimistic though you’re right.😅 Hoping Reiza gives it their best effort!
No point of playing this game until they add real modes and features. Not sure if developers ever heard of such things lol...since they appear to be fascinating with only adding cars, tracks and fine-tuning physics. 3+yrs and still ongoing...
Play Forza Motorsport to obtain perspective on what is dissapointing AI, it is 💩💩
I’ve also been there since the start so am very disappointed in where the sim is after 4 years. There is a ton of content but it’s such a mixed bag quality wise. The other problem is some classes are well populated while others feature only 2 models. To compound the problem some have 30 livery slots available whilst some have as few as 6, it’s just so unbalanced and feels forgotten about. The physics still feels far too forgiving and the AI racing is still too inconsistent, only seeing about 850 players and only 8 of them on RCO so it feels pretty dead.
What are you and the people like you in the comments going on about? More than enough content already and loads more to come if you bother to see what is in development. You are all the problem not AMS2. Oh and the AI is great compared to any game you care to mention!
SuperSwede over here comin in hot with the opinions 🤣
@@KerbYourEnthusiasm Someone has to because a lot of sim racing creators seem to have an automatic bias against AMS2 ever since launch. I appreciate it is all a matter of opinion but when people start spouting utter bollocks like lack of content or nothing new they need to be called out.
It's no good
AMS2 is an awesome game, but depending on the class, weather conditions (especially changing conditions), the AI can be disastrous and gamebreaking. It must very difficult for the devs, to program all these different classes, which is understandable, but it needs a lot of continued work which they are doing. Example, I had a race at classic Hockenheim with F1 classic from 1986, and it was terrible; AI far too slow on the straights, when the weather changes during the race from dry to wet, the AI drives in wet conditions as if they’re on slicks in dry conditions, whereas it is virtually impossible to keep the car on the track; I went from first to last in 1 lap🙈 Again great game, beautiful graphics, but very inconsistent AI, and other issues let it down. I now play AMS2 for a quick race, when I have little time, and find the sim perfect for this; if the AI is bad in a certain class, I’ll just quickly change to another one!