It's nice to see someone listen and take on the criticism. Should've done it right the first time, but at least now he might be able to improve and get some more training.
honestly, there are SO many rules, regulations with these roofs i think that it is nearly impossible to build them right the first time. Thats why they have experts come in and inspect to catch "non compliance" and hopefully it gets fixed before the house is finished
@@islandwills2778 If these people can't handle the books and memorise the rules, they should not qualify for being builders. I studied Business and Economics at university, do you have any idea how many books we had to memorise, like 20xthe amount of information vs the builders rule book.
@@utube9487 Builder's "rule book" ? And which one is that? the NCC? the Act? The Reg? AS 1684? AS 3600? I don't think you know how many books there are out there in construction lol. Also, these are roofers - they are not necessarily "builders".
@@utube9487 I really think you with all your book smarts need to get on a roof and build a roof. Its not the same world as your ivory tower. What im saying is most roofers learn on the job, they dont learn by memorizing books and graphs.
30-year home inspector in Canada here. An underlying theme I'm seeing in these videos is the design complexity of these houses, particularly in the roofs. Flat roofs, balconies, parapet walls, and many types of flashing details. Hats off to the inspector who is doing a very good job of highlighting the deficiencies in execution. However. even if all the details were installed as per specifications, I get the strong sense that there are failures just waiting to happen in a relatively shorter time period. Look at the older houses in the neighborhood with simple sloped roofs with wide (hopefully) overhangs. IMHO there is much less potential points of failure in the traditional builds, as far as leakage is concerned. BTW we have many of these types of these new infill "Executive Homes" in North America also.
I’ve seen this sentiment posted a few times in Zeher’s catalogue of videos, and I have to agree. It seems the architects there are happy to design whatever looks good on paper without much consideration for how it will be built or the skill level of the local tradesmen. Parapet walls and flat roofs are rare sights here in the UK, and I think it’s a testament to how much more reliable a simple pitched roof and eaves gutter are to build and maintain.
Exactly. Not only are there technical constraints, but the designers seem to make a puzzle out of the whole house. It’s become so specialized that the designers often never have field experience before they start putting things on “paper”.
It's because generally architects get paid a percentage of the total cost of the job. So the more complex and ridiculous the design. The more they get paid. It's disgusting. They also, generally have no training or experience in the industry and are impossible to work with.
@@hbot404 Yeah all these problems just don't exist in the USA. Everybody uses the same bog standard 2 to 3 inch gutters and downspouts, no way to install those wrong, they just go up quickly and easily and no worries.
The general public have been blissfully unaware for years of what is going on in this industry. This is the best educational channel for the public and trades. What a tragedy our trades have come so uneducated and knowing they can get away with it, so many times.
Building trades have been dodgy as long as they have existed. A few good competent people and a lot of rough corner cutting ones. Work on a house of any age and you will find dodgy work.
@@chrisjie2127 Correct, but for most people the corporate world corruption isn't impacting them. When you get your own home built then it's affecting you and it becomes more of a glaring issue. Just face it bro, tradies are mostly horribly lazy and corner cutting people. Only about 20% of the trade is legit. The rest are worthless.
Designed to be cheap so it can exploit cheap practices. See these crap designs everywhere and the designers cover them in black or dark grey paint. Absolute environmental disasters
@@stephenw2992 lol thats the truth, but its not really surprising, especially since our society has been encouraging anyone with a half decent iq to avoid the trades for a long time now.
It was actually good seeing someone listening, not just throwing a tantrum. This guy handled himself professionally. I'd love to see a video on the rest of the house it sounds like it could be a juicy one. ✌️ Peace.
@@barbecueman6352 they are, but even these roofs are not flat. they are like 1-2 degree roofs. lol, the gutter systems on these roofs make it seem complicated, which is primarily for aesthetic purposes.
@@JSLEnterprisesthat's the problem no one wants to see the gutters but because of that if there is anything wrong it's gonna leak in the house and fuck the whole thing up, it's not worth it bro, water belongs outside, just use normal pvc external gutters and soffits it's time tested!
The vast majority of architects working in the domestic field in this country are incompetent. All drawings produced have errors (or omissions that should be in place to guide the carpenters) and many times they are significant. Due to time constraints, roofers (domestic - one guy in a ute) cannot examine plans in detail when quoting jobs - it is assumed they are of a reasonable standard, and prices are worked from approximate meterage of materials. A final measurement is taken before ordering (sometimes it is taken directly from plan, but not normally where box gutters are part of it), and this is usually the point where the design problems are identified - AFTER the slab is down and the sticks are up. Rectification works cost money builders WILL NOT spend. If a roofer refuses to 'make it work', the builder simply goes down the list (up) of quotes they have for the job until they find a roofer who will just ~stick it on and sign it off. Granted there are some issues in this video that have nothing to do with design, but the high-school drop out with a silicone gun is the LAST one who should be in line for a kick in the pants for pretty much every issue you see in any of these videos.
Nice to see the roofer listening and discussing why and what with you. Shows someone that is trying to do the right thing, but might just need to do some more training.
I retired recently and we thought about building our dream house. It seems everybody has a story of heartache during building and after occupation for years. These videos are another reason we are renovating.
building new or renovating, pretty much the same, the workers will cut every corner, will not follow manufacturer instructions, etc etc... Doesn't matter if you build new or renovate, you have to invest your time to learn how its supposed to be built, and do on site inspections frequently. Also have a very good independent inspector that will be on your side and will do frequent inspections and make the workers do it right. But it all starts with a good contract, and with the acceptance of the inspections from the workers. DO NOT reply on workers to do it properly.
You might aswell just do the job for him. Go half’s.. you are a legend mate. You should start your own organisation and change the industry. You are really helping hard working Australian families from these non compliant works.🙏
You are an incredible person to share your knowledge the way you do. I just found your channel, and what is genuinely great about RUclips is finding these channels about things I never would have imagined being interested in. But this video especially just shows you are a good person. Not at one point did you shame, you educated. You are a teacher in life. I’m having my own difficulties at the moment, but you are a reminder that positivity should always be at our core. Much appreciation from Canada!
I love it when you guys show up! If you’re doing the job correctly who cares . If not you won’t get away with it! Thumbs up to the contractors whom do a good job and don’t cut corners! My papa always said his jobs are a sign of his character . ❤
@@wobblyboostthat's what's so horrible about modern housing, so many external metal panels and pieces, anything comes lose in 10 years and you gon be hunting your ass off to find what's causing the metallic banging sound every time there's a light breeze. I saw one story - lady moved into new build, whole house had metal banging noise, took developer 6 months to find the piece causing it, fuck that!
I must say one of your most enjoyable videos not walking around with non compliant, non compliant rants but sharing your knowledge with a young bloke that was prepared to listen and take your advise onboard well done. It seems new regs are kept under lock and key which is crazy. 👍
they may aswell be under lock and key, try and get a copy of any AS/NZ standard, its at least a few hundred$ per standard, So ,new Rules {standards} are implemented and Trades are forced to comply.but to comply with them you need to know them,and to know them you have to purchase them another scam the govt is runing on us.Standards should be available for free
I have a classic car and one day some guy was in the parking lot leaning on it on his phone, I was gonna give him 1 minute to move before he got smacked.
Imagine if you spec a brand new car from dealer and you need to send the inspector to inspect the car at every stages...how would you feel? There should not be an inspector to build a BRAND NEW Home (the most expensive assets all of us every purchased beside car, iphone 16 etc 😛, gold rolex). or you order your most expensive steak and you have to hire inspector and tell the chef how to suck eggs...
Couldnt agree more, ive seen a lot of the building inspectors videos on dodgy builders but heres what appears to be an honest roofer hoping to learn more about how he can perform his trade better, hats off to him for taking the time to listen to advice.
Very sad when a so called roofer does not even know what the Australian standards are for their trade. I am just wondering whether they get their licence out of the wheat bix packet or out of a corn flakes packet? The TAFE course they are supposed to do must not teach them what they need to know. So why bother doing the course if they are not teaching them every thing they need to know.
You can view this in two ways. 1) the guy is a cowboy 2) the guy is only as good as the person who trained him, knows this, and he is genuinely trying to be better by learning. He was asking questions and listening. I hope he is the 2nd type.
Over half the roofers I know are dumb bastards, because they want to cut arse corners. This is why I get worried when ppl come from overseas especially from south east asia asking for white cards and they just get on the roof and start doing jobs knowing full well they are dodgy fucks. I rather buy a old home instead of a new one or a 3D cement printed home that is run by pre design automation robotics then a human being I tell you now
Mate with as shit as our industry now is we absolutely should be helping people out and learn and sharing knowledge. This guy is likely just copying what he got taught and never took the BCA or NCC whatever it’s called now.
Your trade has the reputation of the roughest work in the industry... #2 are plumbers. Most of their work is hidden or seen from afar, so they get away with it again and again.
Are we still not yet willing to call it quits on internal gutters? Are we still more concerned with it looking nice than that it drains without flooding your house? I have gutters on all my houses, externally mounted and if they overflow it just falls on the ground. Never had a gutter flood a house, ever. But whatever. Keep running pipes into your house and then praying for no leaks if you want.
There's the problem right there. The roofer being told how to do things the right way, and he's meant to be qualified. How the hell do they get a ticket to do this work, and they seem to not have a clue. Who's in charge of all of this? No wonder the building industry is so shit at the moment.
It's because generally speaking these guys have been taught on the job. By other people who were also taught on the job. By people who they, also, were taught on the job. Sometimes the chain of who was taught to do it "right" goes back a lifetime. We're kinda just in this situation and needing to deal with it now.
@@nerunerishould NOT be allowed to be employed as an apprentice without going to a trade school or tafe and completing with high grades. The system is fucked.
The worst part of this is not that the roofer is doing it wrong, but it will actually be certified as being correct. This is everything wrong with the current system.
@@gregdogg10 designers and architects need to get in the real world. Engineers can make anything work to standard, but it just makes it complicated to execute and then it leads to non compliance.
Seems like the standards these days , just maximize the house to the boundary and live in soulless shoebox homes. No wonder we have so many shit homes in aus.
Standard tradie mate . No manners with 90 % + .. just few class acts remain and are hard to find . Sadly the majority of useless ones don’t even know they are useless .
Is your truck too weak to stand someone leaning on it? Try working on your feet all day. If someone pulls up and talks to you, you are going to lean on their ute unless they provide a chair.
@stephenw2992 you idiot. Its disrespectful. And its not about being weak. It can get scratched. And even if it didn't. Who gives a shit. Its my property why the hell do you think you have the right to touch it.
@@stephenw2992 it's called respect , I've had a one week old cars Bonnet scratched because a concreter layed on it an the button of his pants scratched it , but respect comes with brains if you know what I mean 👍
You know that really smart kid in highschool that was never late with homework? Top marks in most subjects? Especially the sciences? Then went on to study engineering and become a really good highly paid engineer? Yeah, nah. He's not here building houses. You remember those dudes that skipped class and were, more often than not, smoking and stuff? They're here building your house and winging it.
that smart kid that became an engineer or architect? never spun a spanner. never swung a hammer. never dug a hole, rode a bike, pulled a clock apart, never built a cubby house or billy kart. the dumb bogan either did it all, maybe even had the old man help out... or fell into the icehead and gamer BS of yet another bunch of useless parents that shouldnt be allowed to procreate and want nothing to do with their progeny but demand more welfare cheques.
Yup we’re pumping them out of the system like we have a housing crisis, if only they had a union that could help resolve these issues with all that money, oh wait…
That's why I like the Masters Plumbers Association. If anything, at least you can call on them to interpret the standards properly when you are struggling. I also like to ask the council plumbing inspectors for advice as they're are the ones inspecting it. It never hurts to ask.
@@James-kn6vt yeah as a plumber we pay to be apart of it. They're not there to protect the client. They're there to help us. We can't be expected to know everything about our trade. It's huge. The entire roofing trade is one small module of the plumbing trade. Our tafe, during our apprenticeship is to teach us how to read, search and interpret our standards. The standards get amended constantly. If you're working 12 - 14 hours days and then going home to invoice.... It's nice to have some help.
To have a licence to build a roof like this, australia are in crisis. It's time for the government to start question how they giving out builder licence
All trades licenses need to be reevaluated. The amount of money these people are making while creating sub par homes and at the same time destroying Neighbour hood characteristics is absolutely disgusting. While post war homes didn’t have the best insulation regulations back then the homes were so much better designed. It’s as if people cared and had a sense of pride when putting up buildings that would last for decades.
I watch, I enjoy, but for others it may be very hard. There are a lot of standards that have to be adhered to. The trades are trying to make a living, but often not being supervised or inspected. Over time this creates problems 1st for the customers, and then for the tradesman when they learn the lesson the hard way $$$. What you are doing is important for everyone. It helps. The next time there is a trade show, you need to offer trade specific seminars. You have enough photos videos and evidence. The good players will spend a few hours learning where the big traps are. I would rather believe that a roofer walking the job to put in an estimate with the builder would need to know how they are being set-up for failure by the condition underlying there work. We all run into problems and have to make adjustments and sometimes work-around. But these need to be in compliance. You have built a great reputation and you’ve collected enough information to give the trades an opportunity to learn from this. They can simply tell the builder, yes, I want the work, but you must first do xyz so that I can do a job that meets the standards. Keep up the good work. I really enjoy the vids
I thought the roofer took it well and seemed willing to learn and fix it so he has my respect . Others just get angry and remain ignorant . I think you could put this guy on nearly any roof in Australia and with in 5 minutes you will hear two words" Non compliant"
roofing isn't exactly a specialised trade. most of us become roofers because we've fked up somewhere along the way, nobody wants to be roofer, we just ended up there
I truly believe it's easy to be good at your job but once you are held accountable for your work with inspections and quality audits, you can become great.
Glad you could call out the difficulty of reading and interpreting the Australian Standards, they are so intricate. Always referencing sections within sections.
Given the roofers were there, and there was obviously non compliant work done, i think you and the roofer handled yourselves professionally. It looked like the roofer will take this as a learning opportunity for future work.
I’ve used this roofer before he’s by far the worst roofer ruined my house. All little kids that aren’t even signed on as apprentices trying to do roofing!! Yet alone the guy in the video is unlicensed roof plumber! Enough said!
When the homeowner zipped in and out to unlock the door I was catching the familiar anxiety from watching some of your clips.... but I gotta say respect+ to that roofing crew. Personal preference... I think I would like to see more of videos like this... juice isnt always worth the squeeze hun. Lmao.
Just quietly, lol, I'm about to make this about myself... nobody asked for this, so this is your first and only warning to ESCAPE/ABORT... 😊 I have argued with my parents for over 10 years about a bathroom shower... i was blaming the builder, and they were accusing me... (we could not run a shower on high for longer than 2 minutes without the water escaping the bathroom and spreading out into 4 surrounding rooms!!!!... the ONLY thing stopping the 2.5mm of water was this "speedhump for ants" at the shower door.... *big sigh* lmao.... long story short: we continue to shower in fear because its easier to live in denial and blame me than to admit defeat. Haha.
very common now in inner city melbourne ive noticed. its sad to me as someone who grew up around big front and back yards with a shed out back to see barely a front garden and a tiny backyard with a few shrubs and maybe a 2x2 patch of grass
A good opportunity for this guy to soak up information from someone who knows what he is talking about, especially before the job's done. Good on him for not being aggro and defensive like all the others.
Oh ok, so I need a diffrant fingy for the afar fingy! What’s the diffrance between class 2 & class frwee screws!! 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ omg omg habib! The only way to stop this shit is to expose these dodgy so called tradies..they should stick to Uber driving or being a labourer!
Can I say that your bathroom waterproofing rules seem crazy? In the USA water in the shower area has to stay in the shower area. No allowance for it to seep out under the main tile floor only to be allegedly stopped at the door, in theory, but as you show all the time, hardly ever in practice.
Its to stop the water in case of flooding due to a tap left running or blocked shower drain. There is usually a second drain in the floor somewhere for the water to run to if it gets out of the shower area or an overflowing sink. A lip at the door ensures it goes down that rather than out the door.
Just bought a new home in South Australia. No blanket. All other new homes in the street, no blanket. No corking around window and door frames. Big gaps behind the fridge where you can look into the roof. I fixed that myself. House is cold in the winter, needing huge amounts of energy, costing about $5 per hour. House is beautiful, but the energy rating system in Australia is a joke.
@@maxpower1413 nah mate, remember it’s Victoria and it’s only sunny for 5 days of the year 😆 so installing a wool blanket and at least R4 in the ceiling and walls will help. These roofers clearly knew they were ripping off the client. He kept on saying “ yeah I told the told the owner”. He told them nothing. Got his money and 🛻💨
@@TBird89 the old slap it on and walk away. he must've rocked up with a trailer full of silicon on the back if his Ute, that would've been the first red flag
There are quite a few comments here about registration and licensing. As this long ass post will show its a confusing mess for non-industry professionals (I am former banker and admitted, but non-practicing lawyer for reference) to understand how the building/construction industry works (and this is merely the surface!). With that said, the following only relates to Victoria (other states will likely vary): There is a distinction for a construction professional being 'registered' and being 'licensed'. Essentially, 'registration' is where your you have met the relevant authority requirements to operate in that area lawfully whereas a 'license' gives you permission to operate or do certain activities. It's a bit esoteric, but as I understand it: 1. a building practitioner needs to be registered by the VBA under the Building Act, but they are not currently licensed (more on this at the end) 2. a plumber can be both registered and licensed (all by the VBA) under the Building Act, a registered (but not licensed) can do plumbing work, but cannot issue compliance certificates, a registered and licensed plumber can issue compliance certificates 3. electricians needs to be both registered and licensed, but this is done by Energy Safe Victoria 4. architects, are not building practitioners, but are required by Architects Act and are registered (but not licensed) by ARBV 5. professional engineers are not a building practitioners but can be registered and endorsed under the Professional Engineers Registration Act to do engineering work for building projects In Victoria, if you do 'building work' (defined term) over $10,000 you are required to be registered as a building practitioner. Building practitioners are defined to include: building surveyors, building inspectors, quantity surveyors, building consultants, building designers, builders, site supervisors, and project manager. 'Builders' are then broken down into further subcategories [1] domestic (with further classifications as [1A] 'unlimited' and [1B] 29 x types of 'limited), and [2] commercial (with further classifications as [2A] 'unlimited' and [2B] 8 x types of 'limited'). Confusingly, there are a number of different names of people that can work on roof's depending on what state you are in. There are [1] roof plumbers and [2] roof contractors and collectively they are referred to as 'roofers' but they are not the same. In Victoria, plumbers are classified by Plumbing Regulations Act into ten classes: drainage, fire-protection, gas-fitting (A and B), irrigation, mechanical services, refrigerated air-conditioning, sanitary, water supply and (relevant here) roofing (stormwater). A. Roof plumbing work means "...the construction,installation, replacement, repair, alteration, maintenance, testing or commissioning of any roof covering or roof flashing, or any part of a roof drainage system involved in the collection or disposal of stormwater [and includes] ...the connection of any stormwater piping [and] ...any design work that is incidental to, or associated with, any work described in this subregulation". B. There are some carve outs for roof work that appear to allow roof contractors to do the work that involving cleaning, painting or preparation for existing roofs that don't change the collection or disposal of stormwater, and some others involving non-metal roof's (tiling?) that I do not fully understand (think those guys that advertise cleaning and resealing your roof). In terms of the roof plumbers here: if they work on the roof (given it is metal) then some of them may only be registered by the VBA (at a minimum), but at least one of them (the main guy in the video who talked about sign-off) would be required to be both registered and licensed to sign off on the certificate of compliance for the roof. So,for those wondering 'YES, this guy is registered and licensed as a roof plumber' and appears to not know how to comply with the NCC Volume 3 after being in the industry for 7-years! In Victoria, legislators have moved to license trades and the Building Act 1993 has been amended. However, they have not updated the Building Regulations Act yet which actually would actually detail and mandate the licensing of the trades. Carpenters were meant to be the first of trades to be licensed and other phased in. It has been continuously delayed (first blaming COVID), so it is unclear when this will ever be actually implemented. For clarity, the VBA has limited oversight of trades unless they crossover into building practitioner work. Licensing would be done by Consumer Affairs Victoria (not VBA). What a confusing mess eh?
Someone mentioned in another comment they had used this guy to do some roofing work and they said he was not licensed. Don't know how that works with getting a compliance certificate 🤷♂
@rohansprenger6902 That would mean he could not issue a compliance certificate. Assuming he's registered someone with a license must be supervising his work (who would then issue a certificate). Does it look like someone licensed is supervising him? If he is not registered, he's breaching the building act and would be subject to sanction by VBA. Good luck with 1. Identifying that in the first place, and 2. Relying on VBA to do anything. It's very hard to have any oversight on the subcontractors that your builder uses, because it all wraps under the builders work and you have no contractual tie to subcontractor to sue. The devil in the detail is that if it ever went to court (beyond VCAT) the builder could apportion blame to the subcontractor (who you never chose) and you have to get money out of a subby who is likely close to broke!
@@james3744 and your last line is the crux of it all {whilst your previous 50 odd where very informative}.All of the "governning bodies" are toothless tigers and proper dodgy tradies, those like "chasin Jason", know the legal ramifications makes it more profitable to do what they want as there will be very little if any blowback.. Same as Shangri La now NOT trading as SLC The sooner prison terms are enforced for rip off merchants the better.Oh and the "fines" these dodgys are forced to pay, should go to a compensation fund for those affected same as VOC
It is always interesting to see the things you find and explain about! I along with others express utter shock that these so called professionals do not know the standards so leads to sub standard works! But in this video, the ploy was obvious, ask questions about standards he should already know by heart, and then he will go away and panic! And now the game starts in earnest, the home owner against non compliance issues from poor workmanship, and really they are not skilled at all! Can see the owner spending a lot of time in court to get things corrected, if ever? But what really gets me, is the complication of the design? There is no need! And simplification would amount to significant cost savings!
A group of town houses been built a few blocks down from my place has been open to the elements for over a year. The guttering has just been fitted. Having watched your videos for a while now, I noticed that the guttering has the slotted overflow holes which I believe you have said are non-compliant in Victoria. If so, why is this guttering still available here?
It's nice to see someone listen and take on the criticism. Should've done it right the first time, but at least now he might be able to improve and get some more training.
covering his arse
honestly, there are SO many rules, regulations with these roofs i think that it is nearly impossible to build them right the first time. Thats why they have experts come in and inspect to catch "non compliance" and hopefully it gets fixed before the house is finished
@@islandwills2778 If these people can't handle the books and memorise the rules, they should not qualify for being builders. I studied Business and Economics at university, do you have any idea how many books we had to memorise, like 20xthe amount of information vs the builders rule book.
@@utube9487 Builder's "rule book" ? And which one is that? the NCC? the Act? The Reg? AS 1684? AS 3600? I don't think you know how many books there are out there in construction lol.
Also, these are roofers - they are not necessarily "builders".
@@utube9487 I really think you with all your book smarts need to get on a roof and build a roof. Its not the same world as your ivory tower.
What im saying is most roofers learn on the job, they dont learn by memorizing books and graphs.
30-year home inspector in Canada here. An underlying theme I'm seeing in these videos is the design complexity of these houses, particularly in the roofs. Flat roofs, balconies, parapet walls, and many types of flashing details. Hats off to the inspector who is doing a very good job of highlighting the deficiencies in execution. However. even if all the details were installed as per specifications, I get the strong sense that there are failures just waiting to happen in a relatively shorter time period.
Look at the older houses in the neighborhood with simple sloped roofs with wide (hopefully) overhangs. IMHO there is much less potential points of failure in the traditional builds, as far as leakage is concerned. BTW we have many of these types of these new infill "Executive Homes" in North America also.
Agree bring back old fashioned spouting 👍👍
I’ve seen this sentiment posted a few times in Zeher’s catalogue of videos, and I have to agree. It seems the architects there are happy to design whatever looks good on paper without much consideration for how it will be built or the skill level of the local tradesmen. Parapet walls and flat roofs are rare sights here in the UK, and I think it’s a testament to how much more reliable a simple pitched roof and eaves gutter are to build and maintain.
Exactly. Not only are there technical constraints, but the designers seem to make a puzzle out of the whole house. It’s become so specialized that the designers often never have field experience before they start putting things on “paper”.
It's because generally architects get paid a percentage of the total cost of the job. So the more complex and ridiculous the design. The more they get paid. It's disgusting. They also, generally have no training or experience in the industry and are impossible to work with.
@@hbot404 Yeah all these problems just don't exist in the USA. Everybody uses the same bog standard 2 to 3 inch gutters and downspouts, no way to install those wrong, they just go up quickly and easily and no worries.
The general public have been blissfully unaware for years of what is going on in this industry. This is the best educational channel for the public and trades. What a tragedy our trades have come so uneducated and knowing they can get away with it, so many times.
It's across all professions, not just tradies. Take one step in to the Corporate world and it's the same thing. Nobody knows anything anymore.
Building trades have been dodgy as long as they have existed. A few good competent people and a lot of rough corner cutting ones. Work on a house of any age and you will find dodgy work.
@@chrisjie2127 Correct, but for most people the corporate world corruption isn't impacting them. When you get your own home built then it's affecting you and it becomes more of a glaring issue.
Just face it bro, tradies are mostly horribly lazy and corner cutting people. Only about 20% of the trade is legit. The rest are worthless.
Designed to be cheap so it can exploit cheap practices.
See these crap designs everywhere and the designers cover them in black or dark grey paint.
Absolute environmental disasters
@@stephenw2992 lol thats the truth, but its not really surprising, especially since our society has been encouraging anyone with a half decent iq to avoid the trades for a long time now.
It was actually good seeing someone listening, not just throwing a tantrum. This guy handled himself professionally.
I'd love to see a video on the rest of the house it sounds like it could be a juicy one.
✌️ Peace.
The crime really is the architecture of modern homes...bloody awful.
Flat roofs are a plague
@@barbecueman6352 they are, but even these roofs are not flat. they are like 1-2 degree roofs. lol, the gutter systems on these roofs make it seem complicated, which is primarily for aesthetic purposes.
And completely useless. The old constructions all work just fine and do not present such problems.
@@JSLEnterprisesthat's the problem no one wants to see the gutters but because of that if there is anything wrong it's gonna leak in the house and fuck the whole thing up, it's not worth it bro, water belongs outside, just use normal pvc external gutters and soffits it's time tested!
You should offer a 'how to be compliant' course for guys like this. Old mate seems genuine but just doesn't know better
The vast majority of architects working in the domestic field in this country are incompetent.
All drawings produced have errors (or omissions that should be in place to guide the carpenters) and many times they are significant.
Due to time constraints, roofers (domestic - one guy in a ute) cannot examine plans in detail when quoting jobs - it is assumed they are of a reasonable standard, and prices are worked from approximate meterage of materials. A final measurement is taken before ordering (sometimes it is taken directly from plan, but not normally where box gutters are part of it), and this is usually the point where the design problems are identified - AFTER the slab is down and the sticks are up.
Rectification works cost money builders WILL NOT spend. If a roofer refuses to 'make it work', the builder simply goes down the list (up) of quotes they have for the job until they find a roofer who will just ~stick it on and sign it off.
Granted there are some issues in this video that have nothing to do with design, but the high-school drop out with a silicone gun is the LAST one who should be in line for a kick in the pants for pretty much every issue you see in any of these videos.
No! They a licenced! They are supposed to know the regulations! How on earth are these clowns Licenced?
Good on the roofer for staying and learning what he needs to fix.
Nice to see the roofer listening and discussing why and what with you. Shows someone that is trying to do the right thing, but might just need to do some more training.
I retired recently and we thought about building our dream house. It seems everybody has a story of heartache during building and after occupation for years. These videos are another reason we are renovating.
building new or renovating, pretty much the same, the workers will cut every corner, will not follow manufacturer instructions, etc etc...
Doesn't matter if you build new or renovate, you have to invest your time to learn how its supposed to be built, and do on site inspections frequently.
Also have a very good independent inspector that will be on your side and will do frequent inspections and make the workers do it right.
But it all starts with a good contract, and with the acceptance of the inspections from the workers.
DO NOT reply on workers to do it properly.
Silicon sales must have skyrocketed the last few years
Dulux who owns selleys shares is not bad to buy :-)
Many builders had this health condition - Siliconsis!
I can confirm this is correct I am a caulker and business is fantastic.
Didn't have silicon in the old days.
Yet houses still standing, and not leaking....lol
@@gregwaghorn8496yeah go and have a look at your grout I’m pretty sure it’s all cracked by now… Dw might be doing your whole house renovation soon 🥱😂
You might aswell just do the job for him. Go half’s.. you are a legend mate. You should start your own organisation and change the industry. You are really helping hard working Australian families from these non compliant works.🙏
Lol you reckon? It wont be any better
New business idea "Tradie BB Sitters R us" 1800 help me
@@jacksonroad9263 it would be alot better
*Halves, you illiterate, uneducated idiot.
You are an incredible person to share your knowledge the way you do. I just found your channel, and what is genuinely great about RUclips is finding these channels about things I never would have imagined being interested in. But this video especially just shows you are a good person. Not at one point did you shame, you educated. You are a teacher in life. I’m having my own difficulties at the moment, but you are a reminder that positivity should always be at our core. Much appreciation from Canada!
I love it when you guys show up! If you’re doing the job correctly who cares . If not you won’t get away with it! Thumbs up to the contractors whom do a good job and don’t cut corners! My papa always said his jobs are a sign of his character . ❤
That’s the biggest shipping container I’ve ever seen !😮
shipping containers dont leak....as its one piece!
Talk about building to the boundary! From the drone I thought this was going to be a block of flats at first.
It would be great to see a follow up on this roof inspection to see if the guy actually made all the changes you informed him about.
It's incredible that these guys get so far knowing so little, absolutely unbelievable. It's an embarrassment to all trades.
that's the noisiest clip-lok roof I've ever heard.
Fasteners incomplete...
Was thinking the same. I just fixed my 70s Kliplok which had all the clips and battens coming loose and it was nothing like that
Must be a horrendous din in a storm.
They were walking on the wrong part and probably no insulation under the clips.
@@wobblyboostthat's what's so horrible about modern housing, so many external metal panels and pieces, anything comes lose in 10 years and you gon be hunting your ass off to find what's causing the metallic banging sound every time there's a light breeze. I saw one story - lady moved into new build, whole house had metal banging noise, took developer 6 months to find the piece causing it, fuck that!
I must say one of your most enjoyable videos not walking around with non compliant, non compliant rants but sharing your knowledge with a young bloke that was prepared to listen and take your advise onboard well done. It seems new regs are kept under lock and key which is crazy. 👍
they may aswell be under lock and key, try and get a copy of any AS/NZ standard, its at least a few hundred$ per standard, So ,new Rules {standards} are implemented and Trades are forced to comply.but to comply with them you need to know them,and to know them you have to purchase them another scam the govt is runing on us.Standards should be available for free
Noisiest roof of all time award right here!
People who lean on your vehicle have no regard for you.
That's what I was thinking.
Hahaha
I was triggered
I have a classic car and one day some guy was in the parking lot leaning on it on his phone, I was gonna give him 1 minute to move before he got smacked.
I noticed that too
roofing for 7 years and not knowing the difference between #2 and #3 grade screws is wild!!
At least his willing to stay, front up, learn up to date codes, and Hopefully fixes it,
100%... Man was open to hearing and learning the new regulations. He seemed really genuine as he asked multiple questions during the inspection.
Imagine if you spec a brand new car from dealer and you need to send the inspector to inspect the car at every stages...how would you feel? There should not be an inspector to build a BRAND NEW Home (the most expensive assets all of us every purchased beside car, iphone 16 etc 😛, gold rolex).
or you order your most expensive steak and you have to hire inspector and tell the chef how to suck eggs...
@@lebronkiddz Oh yeah, it's absolutely not good enough.
But, it's better than the other alternatives once we're at this point.
Couldnt agree more, ive seen a lot of the building inspectors videos on dodgy builders but heres what appears to be an honest roofer hoping to learn more about how he can perform his trade better, hats off to him for taking the time to listen to advice.
This roofer is getting the biggest technical lesson since tech college, thats if he ever went to one.
Don't think he has any trade
Very sad when a so called roofer does not even know what the Australian standards are for their trade. I am just wondering whether they get their licence out of the wheat bix packet or out of a corn flakes packet? The TAFE course they are supposed to do must not teach them what they need to know. So why bother doing the course if they are not teaching them every thing they need to know.
You can view this in two ways.
1) the guy is a cowboy
2) the guy is only as good as the person who trained him, knows this, and he is genuinely trying to be better by learning. He was asking questions and listening.
I hope he is the 2nd type.
Cowboys
Bring back full blown apprenticeships !!!!
7 years and these guys have been doing it wrong
Roofer has no idea about his own job!!
Why are you teaching this guy about roof plumbing? He is a licensed roof plumber, he should know this. This guy is a embarrassment to my trade..
Yup, he should look for simpler job.
Over half the roofers I know are dumb bastards, because they want to cut arse corners.
This is why I get worried when ppl come from overseas especially from south east asia asking for white cards and they just get on the roof and start doing jobs knowing full well they are dodgy fucks.
I rather buy a old home instead of a new one or a 3D cement printed home that is run by pre design automation robotics then a human being I tell you now
Mate with as shit as our industry now is we absolutely should be helping people out and learn and sharing knowledge. This guy is likely just copying what he got taught and never took the BCA or NCC whatever it’s called now.
Atleast this man's taking on the feedback instead of being agressive and instantly defensive. Props to him.
Your trade has the reputation of the roughest work in the industry... #2 are plumbers.
Most of their work is hidden or seen from afar, so they get away with it again and again.
After seeing this mess, mate you are brave going up the staircase.
ome step off center and hes done for
"Do your best and silicon the rest" 😂😂😂
I mean its sad, but like, i do like at this guy listened and seemed to want to learn instead of disputing
Site inspector is kind of famous now... That probably played a part in their response.
The scent of noncompliance is in the air.
Are we still not yet willing to call it quits on internal gutters?
Are we still more concerned with it looking nice than that it drains without flooding your house?
I have gutters on all my houses, externally mounted and if they overflow it just falls on the ground. Never had a gutter flood a house, ever. But whatever. Keep running pipes into your house and then praying for no leaks if you want.
There's the problem right there. The roofer being told how to do things the right way, and he's meant to be qualified. How the hell do they get a ticket to do this work, and they seem to not have a clue. Who's in charge of all of this? No wonder the building industry is so shit at the moment.
Roof plumbers are almost allways dumb, lazy, dodgy or a combination HOWEVER their regulations to change a bit.
It's because generally speaking these guys have been taught on the job. By other people who were also taught on the job. By people who they, also, were taught on the job. Sometimes the chain of who was taught to do it "right" goes back a lifetime. We're kinda just in this situation and needing to deal with it now.
@@neruneri No. they go to TAFE and they should learn shit to pass and get the cert. there is no excuses.
@@nerunerishould NOT be allowed to be employed as an apprentice without going to a trade school or tafe and completing with high grades. The system is fucked.
It's crazy that the roofer is so clueless!😂😂
The worst part of this is not that the roofer is doing it wrong, but it will actually be certified as being correct. This is everything wrong with the current system.
Why do people want box gutters? Function over form, the house needs to last 100 years. I've never seen a modern box gutter that doesn't leak.
The designers don’t want eaves, just blocks so there’s nowhere else for a gutter
@@justwinclassic the architects don’t know the regulations
stainless box gutter with welded joins are the only way to go
@@maxpower1413 banning them is better. Stops any confusion
@@gregdogg10 designers and architects need to get in the real world. Engineers can make anything work to standard, but it just makes it complicated to execute and then it leads to non compliance.
What an eyesore. Devalues the nice old houses surrounding it.
qualified tradie asking Zahir for his own expert advice... gottem with the ol 1998 doozie hahahaha
The WIZARD is here cowboys lets get em
House? It looks like a small warehouse or factory but that roof is noisy as hell.
Seems like the standards these days , just maximize the house to the boundary and live in soulless shoebox homes. No wonder we have so many shit homes in aus.
That guy leaning on the truck would have pissed me off. Im glad you remained calm. I would have likely called him out on it.
Standard tradie mate . No manners with 90 % + .. just few class acts remain and are hard to find . Sadly the majority of useless ones don’t even know they are useless .
Is your truck too weak to stand someone leaning on it? Try working on your feet all day. If someone pulls up and talks to you, you are going to lean on their ute unless they provide a chair.
@@stephenw2992😂 I work on my feet all day and I don't lean on my ute. You seem entitled maybe you can pull up a bit of cement.
@stephenw2992 you idiot. Its disrespectful. And its not about being weak. It can get scratched. And even if it didn't. Who gives a shit. Its my property why the hell do you think you have the right to touch it.
@@stephenw2992 it's called respect , I've had a one week old cars Bonnet scratched because a concreter layed on it an the button of his pants scratched it , but respect comes with brains if you know what I mean 👍
I hope he takes this to heart and learns from it. There's always more room for good trades people but he has a lot he needs to work on.
I hope so too. I mean most of these videos, these guys get confrontational and act like they've done nothing wrong.
The accent change to keep the brothers happy is non compliant.
How can a roofer of 7 years not realize he’s using the wrong screws
You know that really smart kid in highschool that was never late with homework? Top marks in most subjects? Especially the sciences? Then went on to study engineering and become a really good highly paid engineer? Yeah, nah. He's not here building houses. You remember those dudes that skipped class and were, more often than not, smoking and stuff? They're here building your house and winging it.
that smart kid that became an engineer or architect?
never spun a spanner. never swung a hammer. never dug a hole, rode a bike, pulled a clock apart, never built a cubby house or billy kart.
the dumb bogan either did it all, maybe even had the old man help out... or fell into the icehead and gamer BS of yet another bunch of useless parents that shouldnt be allowed to procreate and want nothing to do with their progeny but demand more welfare cheques.
Yep spot on.
We treat trades like second class jobs for dropouts when we should be valuing those roles just as much
Yup we’re pumping them out of the system like we have a housing crisis, if only they had a union that could help resolve these issues with all that money, oh wait…
That's why I like the Masters Plumbers Association. If anything, at least you can call on them to interpret the standards properly when you are struggling. I also like to ask the council plumbing inspectors for advice as they're are the ones inspecting it. It never hurts to ask.
@@James-kn6vt yeah as a plumber we pay to be apart of it. They're not there to protect the client. They're there to help us. We can't be expected to know everything about our trade. It's huge. The entire roofing trade is one small module of the plumbing trade. Our tafe, during our apprenticeship is to teach us how to read, search and interpret our standards.
The standards get amended constantly.
If you're working 12 - 14 hours days and then going home to invoice.... It's nice to have some help.
Guy was happy that every other tradie on the job was also "non-compliant".
This is the most ENTERTAINING program on television.
Hahahha, roofing for 7 years, still got no idea!!
I've never been happier to have a simple single story house with a rectangular floor plan and a gable roof with adequate gutter volumes. Compliant
How the hell do you start a job without knowing what your meant to do to comply ?
slap it on walk away. the only person that will pull you up is the certifier if he even bothers to get out of his car
Good on this young bloke for being open at least.
To have a licence to build a roof like this, australia are in crisis.
It's time for the government to start question how they giving out builder licence
Plumbers License
All trades licenses need to be reevaluated. The amount of money these people are making while creating sub par homes and at the same time destroying Neighbour hood characteristics is absolutely disgusting. While post war homes didn’t have the best insulation regulations back then the homes were so much better designed. It’s as if people cared and had a sense of pride when putting up buildings that would last for decades.
I watch, I enjoy, but for others it may be very hard.
There are a lot of standards that have to be adhered to. The trades are trying to make a living, but often not being supervised or inspected. Over time this creates problems 1st for the customers, and then for the tradesman when they learn the lesson the hard way $$$.
What you are doing is important for everyone. It helps. The next time there is a trade show, you need to offer trade specific seminars. You have enough photos videos and evidence. The good players will spend a few hours learning where the big traps are. I would rather believe that a roofer walking the job to put in an estimate with the builder would need to know how they are being set-up for failure by the condition underlying there work. We all run into problems and have to make adjustments and sometimes work-around. But these need to be in compliance.
You have built a great reputation and you’ve collected enough information to give the trades an opportunity to learn from this. They can simply tell the builder, yes, I want the work, but you must first do xyz so that I can do a job that meets the standards.
Keep up the good work. I really enjoy the vids
Gosh the Telephoto on that Drone is fantastic.
Make the world a better place one person at a time 🙏❤️
I thought the roofer took it well and seemed willing to learn and fix it so he has my respect .
Others just get angry and remain ignorant . I think you could put this guy on nearly any roof in Australia and with in 5 minutes you will hear two words" Non compliant"
Sometimes they act passive and cooperative because they already know they're in the wrong
It's like the doctor learning how to operate after the operation!!!
@@kingston163 doctors hit 'n' miss too TBH
@@kingston163Remember Ps get degrees, for doctors too.
roofing isn't exactly a specialised trade. most of us become roofers because we've fked up somewhere along the way, nobody wants to be roofer, we just ended up there
What a legend, got on the roof and wasnt scared to ask whats wrong with his work even though its his profession
0:15 "Non Compliant Enemy has been spotted. deploying compliant counter measures" lmao
I truly believe it's easy to be good at your job but once you are held accountable for your work with inspections and quality audits, you can become great.
Teaching the roofers the new guidelines they never knew was nice. In the army that was that barracks lawyer they listened to. Nice.
It’s absolute laziness and not giving a shit
"do you have time to go through this now?"
This should be in the vocabulary of every trade in the country when dealing with experts
Black looks great , but everything underneath will cook
Black looks like an expensive heating/cooling energy cost, ongoing. But thats OK... they just install 20kW of AC to 'fix' that. Fuken stupid people.
Yea its bad for the area too, draws too much heat
You dont even see most of it. Black flashings and a white roof would do on that style of building
Nah looks ugly as fuck man. The trend needs to stop
@@stephenw2992exactly
"Hectik" situation. You'd be a fantastic trade school teacher mate. 😂
Glad you could call out the difficulty of reading and interpreting the Australian Standards, they are so intricate. Always referencing sections within sections.
I'm glade my home is far from neighbouring newly build homes, you're drone and camera's oon the roof would pick up my magic garden in the backyard
Do you live out Marrawhanna way?
Nah up Nimbin
Weed garden
That's funny 🤣🤣🤣 I have mine in a green house 🎉🎉🎉🌿🌿🌿
You guys a wise posing this online, unnnbellliieevvvabbllle
Do your best then ask zahir for the rest
Given the roofers were there, and there was obviously non compliant work done, i think you and the roofer handled yourselves professionally. It looked like the roofer will take this as a learning opportunity for future work.
I’ve used this roofer before he’s by far the worst roofer ruined my house. All little kids that aren’t even signed on as apprentices trying to do roofing!! Yet alone the guy in the video is unlicensed roof plumber! Enough said!
Leb?
Indian @@rajahhindi3921
Yea
@@superstarrrr4555 you went for the cheapest price ,what could go wrong
if you found a roofers number on a flyer stuck to a pole while waiting for the traffic lights to change, you're better off not ringing it
Look at the nice older houses on that street. Beautiful brick wall next door.
They always lean on other ppls car. No fux given 😂
When the homeowner zipped in and out to unlock the door I was catching the familiar anxiety from watching some of your clips.... but I gotta say respect+ to that roofing crew.
Personal preference... I think I would like to see more of videos like this... juice isnt always worth the squeeze hun. Lmao.
Just quietly, lol, I'm about to make this about myself... nobody asked for this, so this is your first and only warning to ESCAPE/ABORT... 😊
I have argued with my parents for over 10 years about a bathroom shower...
i was blaming the builder, and they were accusing me... (we could not run a shower on high for longer than 2 minutes without the water escaping the bathroom and spreading out into 4 surrounding rooms!!!!...
the ONLY thing stopping the 2.5mm of water was this "speedhump for ants" at the shower door.... *big sigh* lmao....
long story short: we continue to shower in fear because its easier to live in denial and blame me than to admit defeat. Haha.
Every time something isn't quite right on site someone always says, I smell non compliance
Maaaaate, you could get a job with Russian or Ukrainian drone forces on the Eastern Front. Excellent work!
Pick a side ?
@@lukebable The forces of good, over evil.
Rasseeya
So noisy - No anticon. SMH That SHOULD be mandatory under tin, especially with that stupid 'fashionable' black sheet.
So many homes these days are so huge and no back yard and a front yard barely big enough to swing a cat around. How can councils allow this.
bred cats with no tails so you can not swing them
very common now in inner city melbourne ive noticed. its sad to me as someone who grew up around big front and back yards with a shed out back to see barely a front garden and a tiny backyard with a few shrubs and maybe a 2x2 patch of grass
@@talleyrand2739 manx cat
Your not required to have yards if the home fits on the lot it’s fine.
why would you legally mandate yards? i know the us does that and they waste so much land on it for no reason
our governments and authorities? NON COMPLIANT! you Sir, are a legend!
How loose are the roof panels to squeak like that?
Why not a shingle roof is there a reason why in Australia almost every roof is a metal roof.
You gave him an apprenticeship whilst there 😂
Drains left open during a build should be an automatic fail.
The edges of that tin roof are all damaged and dented and look like they have been cut so they will be susceptible to cut edge corrosion.
lol, I miss those predator sounds & that alien-like animations in one of your previous drone vides. Nice catch.
Ive been roofing for 7 years.
Yet he doesn't know the regs. ?
Hopefully after these guys learned a lot and became better roofers because of it
He was happy to learn!!!
Confrontation always sounds like a bad word. Was a great helpful chat I think.
Just a big box, downright ugly and poorly constructed.
Scarey to see someone who's been doing roofing for 7+ years isn't aware of regs, but good that he was willing to listen to your advice
A good opportunity for this guy to soak up information from someone who knows what he is talking about, especially before the job's done. Good on him for not being aggro and defensive like all the others.
I hope you gave the roofer a link to this vid cause it'll take a long time to go through & learn each issue.
Oh ok, so I need a diffrant fingy for the afar fingy!
What’s the diffrance between class 2 & class frwee screws!!
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ omg omg habib!
The only way to stop this shit is to expose these dodgy so called tradies..they should stick to Uber driving or being a labourer!
ROFLMAO!
Can I say that your bathroom waterproofing rules seem crazy? In the USA water in the shower area has to stay in the shower area. No allowance for it to seep out under the main tile floor only to be allegedly stopped at the door, in theory, but as you show all the time, hardly ever in practice.
Its to stop the water in case of flooding due to a tap left running or blocked shower drain. There is usually a second drain in the floor somewhere for the water to run to if it gets out of the shower area or an overflowing sink. A lip at the door ensures it goes down that rather than out the door.
You can hear the metal roof rubbing on the battens. No wool blanket !
Just bought a new home in South Australia. No blanket. All other new homes in the street, no blanket. No corking around window and door frames. Big gaps behind the fridge where you can look into the roof. I fixed that myself. House is cold in the winter, needing huge amounts of energy, costing about $5 per hour. House is beautiful, but the energy rating system in Australia is a joke.
Can you link the detail you are talking about?
that's the builders fault. awesome black roof sheets on bare purlens, should be nice and warm I'm the sun
@@maxpower1413 nah mate, remember it’s Victoria and it’s only sunny for 5 days of the year 😆 so installing a wool blanket and at least R4 in the ceiling and walls will help. These roofers clearly knew they were ripping off the client. He kept on saying “ yeah I told the told the owner”. He told them nothing. Got his money and 🛻💨
@@TBird89 the old slap it on and walk away. he must've rocked up with a trailer full of silicon on the back if his Ute, that would've been the first red flag
There are quite a few comments here about registration and licensing. As this long ass post will show its a confusing mess for non-industry professionals (I am former banker and admitted, but non-practicing lawyer for reference) to understand how the building/construction industry works (and this is merely the surface!). With that said, the following only relates to Victoria (other states will likely vary):
There is a distinction for a construction professional being 'registered' and being 'licensed'. Essentially, 'registration' is where your you have met the relevant authority requirements to operate in that area lawfully whereas a 'license' gives you permission to operate or do certain activities. It's a bit esoteric, but as I understand it:
1. a building practitioner needs to be registered by the VBA under the Building Act, but they are not currently licensed (more on this at the end)
2. a plumber can be both registered and licensed (all by the VBA) under the Building Act, a registered (but not licensed) can do plumbing work, but cannot issue compliance certificates, a registered and licensed plumber can issue compliance certificates
3. electricians needs to be both registered and licensed, but this is done by Energy Safe Victoria
4. architects, are not building practitioners, but are required by Architects Act and are registered (but not licensed) by ARBV
5. professional engineers are not a building practitioners but can be registered and endorsed under the Professional Engineers Registration Act to do engineering work for building projects
In Victoria, if you do 'building work' (defined term) over $10,000 you are required to be registered as a building practitioner. Building practitioners are defined to include: building surveyors, building inspectors, quantity surveyors, building consultants, building designers, builders, site supervisors, and project manager. 'Builders' are then broken down into further subcategories [1] domestic (with further classifications as [1A] 'unlimited' and [1B] 29 x types of 'limited), and [2] commercial (with further classifications as [2A] 'unlimited' and [2B] 8 x types of 'limited').
Confusingly, there are a number of different names of people that can work on roof's depending on what state you are in. There are [1] roof plumbers and [2] roof contractors and collectively they are referred to as 'roofers' but they are not the same. In Victoria, plumbers are classified by Plumbing Regulations Act into ten classes: drainage, fire-protection, gas-fitting (A and B), irrigation, mechanical services, refrigerated air-conditioning, sanitary, water supply and (relevant here) roofing (stormwater).
A. Roof plumbing work means "...the construction,installation, replacement, repair, alteration, maintenance, testing or commissioning of any roof covering or roof flashing, or any part of a roof drainage system involved in the collection or disposal of stormwater [and includes] ...the connection of any stormwater piping [and] ...any design work that is incidental to, or associated with, any work described in this subregulation".
B. There are some carve outs for roof work that appear to allow roof contractors to do the work that involving cleaning, painting or preparation for existing roofs that don't change the collection or disposal of stormwater, and some others involving non-metal roof's (tiling?) that I do not fully understand (think those guys that advertise cleaning and resealing your roof).
In terms of the roof plumbers here: if they work on the roof (given it is metal) then some of them may only be registered by the VBA (at a minimum), but at least one of them (the main guy in the video who talked about sign-off) would be required to be both registered and licensed to sign off on the certificate of compliance for the roof. So,for those wondering 'YES, this guy is registered and licensed as a roof plumber' and appears to not know how to comply with the NCC Volume 3 after being in the industry for 7-years!
In Victoria, legislators have moved to license trades and the Building Act 1993 has been amended. However, they have not updated the Building Regulations Act yet which actually would actually detail and mandate the licensing of the trades. Carpenters were meant to be the first of trades to be licensed and other phased in. It has been continuously delayed (first blaming COVID), so it is unclear when this will ever be actually implemented. For clarity, the VBA has limited oversight of trades unless they crossover into building practitioner work. Licensing would be done by Consumer Affairs Victoria (not VBA).
What a confusing mess eh?
Someone mentioned in another comment they had used this guy to do some roofing work and they said he was not licensed. Don't know how that works with getting a compliance certificate 🤷♂
@rohansprenger6902 That would mean he could not issue a compliance certificate. Assuming he's registered someone with a license must be supervising his work (who would then issue a certificate). Does it look like someone licensed is supervising him?
If he is not registered, he's breaching the building act and would be subject to sanction by VBA. Good luck with 1. Identifying that in the first place, and 2. Relying on VBA to do anything.
It's very hard to have any oversight on the subcontractors that your builder uses, because it all wraps under the builders work and you have no contractual tie to subcontractor to sue.
The devil in the detail is that if it ever went to court (beyond VCAT) the builder could apportion blame to the subcontractor (who you never chose) and you have to get money out of a subby who is likely close to broke!
@@james3744 and your last line is the crux of it all {whilst your previous 50 odd where very informative}.All of the "governning bodies" are toothless tigers and proper dodgy tradies, those like "chasin Jason", know the legal ramifications makes it more profitable to do what they want as there will be very little if any blowback.. Same as Shangri La now NOT trading as SLC The sooner prison terms are enforced for rip off merchants the better.Oh and the "fines" these dodgys are forced to pay, should go to a compensation fund for those affected same as VOC
Wow this a eye opener maybe us roofers should just start saying too builders no can’t do it
It is always interesting to see the things you find and explain about! I along with others express utter shock that these so called professionals do not know the standards so leads to sub standard works! But in this video, the ploy was obvious, ask questions about standards he should already know by heart, and then he will go away and panic! And now the game starts in earnest, the home owner against non compliance issues from poor workmanship, and really they are not skilled at all! Can see the owner spending a lot of time in court to get things corrected, if ever? But what really gets me, is the complication of the design? There is no need! And simplification would amount to significant cost savings!
They don’t give a single fuck
thanks mate, need govt to step in
The govt is NON COMPLIANT 😂
A group of town houses been built a few blocks down from my place has been open to the elements for over a year. The guttering has just been fitted. Having watched your videos for a while now, I noticed that the guttering has the slotted overflow holes which I believe you have said are non-compliant in Victoria. If so, why is this guttering still available here?