You can tell what a great father Joe Frazier was by listening to his kids talk about him. Joe's daughter, Jacqui, talks about her dad just like Marvis does. That is a true testament to a man's life in many ways. Listen to a father's kids (after they grow up and become adults) talking about their father. They really love and respect their dad.
One of the greatest little men to ever place up a pair of gloves,,never have I seen anyone weave and Bob like joe,,,he was text book..I miss u smoking joe,u was a joy to watch,,r.i.p. champ.....
I meet Joe at the boxing hall of fame and got his autograph. Joe loved Canastota NY. One thing that I found out is who much he respected the firefighters. RIP champ
Larry Holmes,, should go down as one of the Greatest heavy weight...he took on All bad ass boxers... there's not many that had a career like himself...👍
Yup, Marvis is right Joe was really a great guy. He’d talk to you on the street. I know this from visiting his gym that a cousin use to fight out of in the 90’s. Also just standing in line at a department store. RIP champ 🥊
JO FRAIZER WAS THE GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT FOR ME,-NO HOLDING FAST PACE FROM ROUND 1 TO 15 KNOCKOUT POWER IN BOTH HANDS OF AND THE FAMOUS LEFT HOOK POWERFUL AND FAST-MOHAMMAD ALI COULD NOT SEE IT -
I would kill to see that footage. I love how closely connected everyone was in this era. Joe trained with Larry, Larry went on to fight and destroy his son, Marvis, yet Marvis and Larry are happily friends reminiscing about the good that the former's father had on the world. Love it.
Wow never knew that Joe Frazier broke Larry Holmes rib. It is pretty easy to guess that it must have been a left hook to Holmes right side. Probably Holmes trying to get off his straight right that was his strong punch left his side wide open for that hook to the body.
Larry Holmes was far from boring. In fact, he had some of the most exciting fights in heavyweight history... Holmes vs. Shavers 2 Holmes vs. Norton Holmes vs. Cooney Holmes vs. Witherspoon, etc. Those were classic battles and Larry Holmes had a lot more to bring to the table than just a great left jab. He had a terrific right hand and uppercut to go with it. He was an excellent combination puncher who could fight you toe to toe or at range using his great footwork. He was a true champion.
average fans of boxing couldn't figure how great Holmes was. In their mind, the best boxer is the one who got a big punch, expet Muhammad Ali cause he did the shuffle mdr
I will always remember the courage Frazier showed in the first Foreman fight. He got up over and over again against the hardest puncher of all time. I blame the referee and Joe's corner for allowing that fight to go so long, but Joe showed incredible heart that night.
I had the great privilege of meeting Joe twice. Once in Harrisburg, Pa at Bills furniture on 3rd Street. He shook my hand and acted humble. Then I saw him training at his gym in Philly. He was sparring George Scrapeiron Johnson and Stan Ward. Willie the worm Monroe was there too. He beat Marvin Hagler.
Omg, everybody was just talking about Muhammad Ali but Joe Frazier was the greatest for me! Muhammad Ali could present (sell) himself as good as possible . He was a great Human but Joe Frazier was a humane and touched my heart! RIP both
Frazier incredible attacking endurance is what stood out to me as if you had a hw boxer with Ali,s brain, tysons ferocity, Holyfields heart and bravery an shavers and foreman punching power and Jo frazier incredible endurance then with all these attributes you would have the greatest all round hw boxer that would be indestructible.
there's another video where Larry(as I seem to recall), likened getting hit by Joe's left hook to sticking your finger in an electric outlet for an instant. that's how intense power can neurologically affect someone. he was not an enormous guy, but what a badass.
Marvis Frazier...a reverand who has helped thousands of youths, former world amateur champion who beat 4 hw contenders to go 10-0....he lost only to 2 ATG HW's at their absolute peak...in todays era he'd be world champ...wjat a great life as a man of god and as a legendary fighter
I remember back when the great heavyweights, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Norton went around doing interviews and made appearances on talk shows promoting their champions forever video tape. All 5 of the great heavyweights were sitting together. The interviewer started to ask Larry Holmes, "Larry, you fought Ali and Norton and are still looking at the possibility of a fight against George Foreman making some good money together, but you never fought Joe Frazier and..." Larry cut off the interviewer with one quick short statement, "Thank God." lol Larry is a true gentleman, a good man who had, and still has, a hell of a lot of respect for Smokin Joe Frazier. Rest in peace Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali and Ken Norton. life passes by so quickly, can't believe those three are gone. I remember watching all of them box on TV in the 1970s. About 50 years gone. wow.
Dude, Ali was suffering from parkinsons disease! Being past your prime is one thing, suffering from a neurological disorder is another! Tyson beat Homes when he was past his prime.But Holmes was not sick. He was an able bodied man. Ali was suffering from advanced parkinsons disease. He was in no condition to fight. A girl could have beat him that night.
I’ll never forget the fight between Larry Holmes and Marvis Frazier. A complete mismatch if ever there was one. Midway thru ( I believe) the 1st round, Holmes connected and sent Marvis reeling. Marvis was stunned, and Holmes was pleading with the Ref (several times) to stop the fight (even after landing a few ‘light punches). Shortly afterwards, the fight was over. Much respect to Mr. Holmes. He could have really ‘teed-off’ on Marvis, but showed plenty of class and restraint to prevent that match from turning into a 3-ring circus.
Funny how Holmes and Frazier both sang publicly, but I don't know if you could legitimately call them singers. Though, you've got to give them credit for trying.
Larry was a great heavyweight but horrible singer. As my uncle would say, if he was singing in a contest and the prize was some shit, they wouldn't let him smell it. Lol
Holmes was a very good champion with a fantastic jab and lightning quick combinations . However , his resentment and dismissiveness towards other champion heavyweights not only smacks of disrespect but makes him look like a vindictive and jealous guy .
if you think larry holmes is a horrible fighter then great for you. And if you want to take away credit for beating a man at the end of his career you need to think again. Honestly every heavyweight could be accused of beating someone "Past there prime" but most of these aging heavyweights are just as deadly in there later years.
WTF has happend to Larry's head? New role in Conehead or what, lmao Joe Frazier was a true role model in both boxing and life, a great human being and person, though it's sad to see too many a great champion not knowing when to retire, Larry Holmes, another great champion in his prime, made a fucking fool of himself in later year, believing he could teach Iron Mike Tyson a boxing lesson, wobbling around in the ring like a punching ball before finally crashing on the canvas
Marvis was thrown in against the very best when he was very young. He was not at their level--but he was better than the typical journeyman. The good thing is that he retired before taking too much beating to his head. He has nothing to be ashamed of.
Some of the Greatest fighters of all tme were kind of "Boring" but they were very effective techniques and measured shots. You are just a man that could never respect a man like larry holmes, Even far past his prime still taking on beast like prime tyson. Hes not a coward or a horrible fighter, he was a HW champion with one of Best records of all time. Who are you?
Holmes had no business going up against a prime Tyson just as much as Ali had no business going up against a prime Holmes. Ali may have started showing early signs of Parkinsons syndrome but Larry Holmes stepped into the ring at almost 39 years old, coming from a 2 year layoff and with no tune-ups going against one of the most feared fighters in boxing history as well as one of the best finishers at the age of 22! Don't tell me that Holmes was an able bodied man.
Flat footed Holmes had good footwork? U kidding? He was a great great champion but he had other qualities! One of the best ever, inferior to Ali for sure, but a very good boxer.
+nobby roberts Holmes was a steady target and the accuracy of the first Ali would be a nightmare for him. Not to speak of Ali of the early 70s: too fast, iron chin, strong, stronger than people think (if prime Foreman couldn't KD/KO him than envious Holmes would have dreamed of). No, Holmes was not and could have never been better that Ali up to more or less Foreman fight or Thrilla in Manila. Only a syndrome could have helped that envious turd.
The fact that Igor Marich can't even spell "Joe" which he wrote as JO,.... nor Muhammad , "MOHAMMAD" as he wrote it, leaves him fin the dust. I sort of wonder if he spelled his own name correctly. "DOH!"
Larry Holmes was a good Champion but Larry Holmes had a lot of mouth he couldn't stand up to a prime Ali or Sonny Liston I don't think he could stand up to Joe Frazier in his prime after what he said about Marciano he has no respect for any fighter I don't think he ever has he thinks he's the greatest no he wasn't the greatest I have to say the greatest was Joe Lewis the greatest heavyweight in history
He was pissed off, because Marciano's family wished for Larry's defeat, because he was close to match Marciano's record of wins in a row. When he lost - the family opened champagne, and send him video tape of it with best wishes. And then Larry said those things about jockstrap. And yes, Marciano fought bums or over the hill old champions.
Ali wasn’t just past his prime when he fought Holmes, he was clearly exhibiting signs of Parkinson’s already. It’s disgraceful that that fight was allowed to go on. Holmes was a great champion but his resume just doesn’t touch Ali’s. Ali fought and beat the best heavyweights during the time when the heavyweight division was brimming with top talent. Holmes is certainly one of the best fighters but he also fought in an era that didn’t have the depth of competition of Ali or Frazier’s. Who you fought and beat us just as important as how many wins or losses you have. Prior to his Tyson Fury fights, Deontay Wilder was undefeated but 95% of his fights were against fighters who no real shot of winning or were decent fighters who were old and passed their prime.
If Holmes destruction of Ali is meaningless because of Ali's age (8 years older than Holmes) , one has to use the same logic to diminish Ali's victories over an ancient Sonny Liston who was "officially" ten years older than Ali, and in reality much more than that. Ali worshippers, however, rarely like that logic.
+sportshistorybuff Liston was coming off of two first round knockouts of Floyd Patterson. I doubt anyone who saw Ali's fight against Cooper seriously thought Liston had anything to worry about.
And Liston's body was falling apart with bursitis, in constant pain and needing injections daily. His wifesaid it was so bad training in Miami, he often had to walk the streets for relief.
HOlmes style would lose to two guys,frazier and tyson at their best.In his prime or not.wouldnt matter. Holmes could beat ali and foreman.Styles make fights and holmes style was made to oreder for the frazier/tyson style.
RIP Smokin Joe. Tough powerful boxer. Lovely person. People like him don’t die.
Joe was a great guy just like his son Marvis said. Marvis is just like his father . A true Gentleman
You can tell what a great father Joe Frazier was by listening to his kids talk about him. Joe's daughter, Jacqui, talks about her dad just like Marvis does. That is a true testament to a man's life in many ways. Listen to a father's kids (after they grow up and become adults) talking about their father. They really love and respect their dad.
19 people have a thumbs down. What's wrong with you people. How could you not like and admire Joe.
Dont mind them bro fools, they obviously are clueless as regards smokin Joe.
I don't even see that up top? What's up with that?...hmmmm
Damn Marvin Look and SOUNDS Just Like His Pops its Crazy...R.I.P CHAMP..THE HEART OF PHILLY and NEEDS A STATUE
His dad told him. There’s no right way to do wrong. And there’s no wrong way to do right!!
I loved Smoking Joe Frazier!! He was my favorite champ.
Same man but his son just step so higher in levels without so many matches
Joe Frazier was one of the greatest of all times and what a gentleman Larry Holmes is.
Marvis's voice is kinda like his dad's. And he seems to be a genuinely nice guy just like Joe was.
One of the greatest little men to ever place up a pair of gloves,,never have I seen anyone weave and Bob like joe,,,he was text book..I miss u smoking joe,u was a joy to watch,,r.i.p. champ.....
Larry Holmes was no question one of the greatest heavyweights... Great fighter...
Hell. I was sad when Frazier passed away because I love him. Can't imagine what it was like for Marvis.
A son looks up to a Father figure like Joe Frazier who was the bedrock leader of the house, it shows your Father was an awesome individual.
R.I.P joe love joe frazier you were great.
paul cooper
Comma or 2...??? Or just carry on being trite and 'everyday' crowd pleasing maudlin. But that's so boring.
@@cquilty1 What do you mean.?
@21LAzgoo we ?
@21LAzgoo we Lol right yeah i dont understand what hes saying either.
Frazier is an underrated puncher to break someone ribs like Larry holmes
One of the only people to drop Ali, too. That left hook was lethal.
Joe Frazier was a great guy just like Marvis says. I never had the chance to meet him but I always looked up to him!!!
RIP Smokin' Joe... You were the best...
Frazier's left hook is like no other. He could break a buffalo's jaw!!
But not George Foreman's jaw.
@@mrvm1777 to be fair, Foreman's chin is probably stronger than a buffalo's lol
Larry Holmes was a great fighter, a legend...
I meet Joe at the boxing hall of fame and got his autograph. Joe loved Canastota NY. One thing that I found out is who much he respected the firefighters. RIP champ
Great, fantastic and immortal Joe Frazier!!! Respect forever!!!
Watching this video break tears for my eyes rest in peace Joe you will always be my hero
Larry Holmes, one of the greatest of all time
JOE FRAZIER WAS GREAT. RIP CHAMP GOD BLESS. NICE COMPLEMENT BY ANOTHER GREAT CHAMP LARRY THE LEGEND HOLMES
Real deal is still in shape. The guy is more dangerous than most 20 year olds today.
@Will to Freedom he used PEDs to gain weight
Warrior Mentality. The Man known as Smokin'
Larry Holmes,, should go down as one of the Greatest heavy weight...he took on All bad ass boxers... there's not many that had a career like himself...👍
Yup, Marvis is right Joe was really a great guy. He’d talk to you on the street. I know this from visiting his gym that a cousin use to fight out of in the 90’s. Also just standing in line at a department store. RIP champ 🥊
JO FRAIZER WAS THE GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT FOR ME,-NO HOLDING FAST PACE FROM ROUND 1 TO 15 KNOCKOUT POWER IN BOTH HANDS OF AND THE FAMOUS LEFT HOOK POWERFUL AND FAST-MOHAMMAD ALI COULD NOT SEE IT -
Igor Marich correct man..smokin joe
R.i.P joe frazier love smokin joe.
Rest In Peace Joe.
RIP Smoken Joe 🙏🙏🙏
Larry was an underrated heavyweight...I always felt he never got the recognition he deserved..Smokin Joe was legendary...
awwww!! amazing!!! 3:40 mnts of pure smart remarks!!! JOE you'll be remember!!
I would kill to see that footage. I love how closely connected everyone was in this era. Joe trained with Larry, Larry went on to fight and destroy his son, Marvis, yet Marvis and Larry are happily friends reminiscing about the good that the former's father had on the world. Love it.
Loved Joe Frazier. Joe was a genuinely beautiful man. ❤ from Bristol, England
My dad loved & showed me how to throw a monstrous left hook like “ Smoking Joe Frazier”
well said ... even though the 80s are my personal favourite
💝💝💝Joe Frazier, r.i.p.
Wow never knew that Joe Frazier broke Larry Holmes rib. It is pretty easy to guess that it must have been a left hook to Holmes right side. Probably Holmes trying to get off his straight right that was his strong punch left his side wide open for that hook to the body.
Joe Frazier is my favourite boxer..i still think hes very underrated...RIP champ
Who is the man next right to Larry Holmes? Is it Gerry Cooney? My best wishes for all the legends in Boxing
RIP JOE FRAZIER :(
The best jab I’ve seen came from Larry.
is this full video available?
Larry Holmes had the best left jab in the history of heavyweights and boxing general. He never gets credit for that.
Larry Holmes was far from boring. In fact, he had some of the most exciting fights in heavyweight history...
Holmes vs. Shavers 2
Holmes vs. Norton
Holmes vs. Cooney
Holmes vs. Witherspoon, etc.
Those were classic battles and Larry Holmes had a lot more to bring to the table than just a great left jab. He had a terrific right hand and uppercut to go with it. He was an excellent combination puncher who could fight you toe to toe or at range using his great footwork. He was a true champion.
Don't forget his first fight with Mike Weaver!
@@richardharrison859 Holmes vs Norton is a great one too.
Stephen M Larry was a warrior. Has the best left jab in the business
average fans of boxing couldn't figure how great Holmes was. In their mind, the best boxer is the one who got a big punch, expet Muhammad Ali cause he did the shuffle mdr
man good shit Larry brother
I met him once, very friendly, nice man
Thanks
Larry gained a lot of weight, but the top half of his head stayed thin.
I Love Dear Mr. Marvis Frazier and amp his siblings !!! Amen
I will always remember the courage Frazier showed in the first Foreman fight. He got up over and over again against the hardest puncher of all time. I blame the referee and Joe's corner for allowing that fight to go so long, but Joe showed incredible heart that night.
I had the great privilege of meeting Joe twice. Once in Harrisburg, Pa at Bills furniture on 3rd Street. He shook my hand and acted humble. Then I saw him training at his gym in Philly. He was sparring George Scrapeiron Johnson and Stan Ward. Willie the worm Monroe was there too. He beat Marvin Hagler.
Omg, everybody was just talking about Muhammad Ali but Joe Frazier was the greatest for me! Muhammad Ali could present (sell) himself as good as possible . He was a great Human but Joe Frazier was a humane and touched my heart! RIP both
Absolutely correct
Joe was a wonderful human being
People don't give Larry enough respect. His place in boxing is among the greatest....Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton and Larry. Great 👍 champion.
Frazier incredible attacking endurance is what stood out to me as if you had a hw boxer with Ali,s brain, tysons ferocity, Holyfields heart and bravery an shavers and foreman punching power and Jo frazier incredible endurance then with all these attributes you would have the greatest all round hw boxer that would be indestructible.
I can imagine Fraizer Ali 4th fight up there that we're all gonna missed.
RIP to our legends.
Forever legend
I Love you Marvis !
there's another video where Larry(as I seem to recall), likened getting hit by Joe's left hook to sticking your finger in an electric outlet for an instant. that's how intense power can neurologically affect someone. he was not an enormous guy, but what a badass.
Boxing sure isn't the same today 😕
Marvis look like Gucci Mane
You must be blind
Marvis Frazier...a reverand who has helped thousands of youths, former world amateur champion who beat 4 hw contenders to go 10-0....he lost only to 2 ATG HW's at their absolute peak...in todays era he'd be world champ...wjat a great life as a man of god and as a legendary fighter
Jfc this guy just found the zoom control
3:30 WTH?
What's up with dude in the green?
I remember back when the great heavyweights, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Norton went around doing interviews and made appearances on talk shows promoting their champions forever video tape. All 5 of the great heavyweights were sitting together. The interviewer started to ask Larry Holmes, "Larry, you fought Ali and Norton and are still looking at the possibility of a fight against George Foreman making some good money together, but you never fought Joe Frazier and..."
Larry cut off the interviewer with one quick short statement, "Thank God." lol
Larry is a true gentleman, a good man who had, and still has, a hell of a lot of respect for Smokin Joe Frazier. Rest in peace Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali and Ken Norton. life passes by so quickly, can't believe those three are gone. I remember watching all of them box on TV in the 1970s. About 50 years gone. wow.
To nycinstyle. Please read Revelations chapter 21 , verses 3 and 4 .
Is it me or does Larry Holmes have a funny shaped head?
Dude, Ali was suffering from parkinsons disease! Being past your prime is one thing, suffering from a neurological disorder is another! Tyson beat Homes when he was past his prime.But Holmes was not sick. He was an able bodied man. Ali was suffering from advanced parkinsons disease. He was in no condition to fight. A girl could have beat him that night.
💯
Ali, Louis. Holmes. in that order.
kunta kenta Tube Ali equals frazier.2 sides of a same coin
Smokin joe will be severely missed
I’ll never forget the fight between Larry Holmes and Marvis Frazier.
A complete mismatch if ever there was one. Midway thru ( I believe) the 1st round, Holmes connected and sent Marvis reeling.
Marvis was stunned, and Holmes was pleading with the Ref (several times) to stop the fight (even after landing a few ‘light punches). Shortly afterwards, the fight was over.
Much respect to Mr. Holmes. He could have really ‘teed-off’ on Marvis, but showed plenty of class and restraint to prevent that match from turning into a 3-ring circus.
Funny how Holmes and Frazier both sang publicly, but I don't know if you could legitimately call them singers. Though, you've got to give them credit for trying.
joe had a good voice i thought.
@@paulcooper3463 Joe ain't bad. Tons of soul in his voice.
@@Ffeoli1039 I agree.
Larry was a great heavyweight but horrible singer. As my uncle would say, if he was singing in a contest and the prize was some shit, they wouldn't let him smell it. Lol
I loved watching him fight... One of the greatest jabs in heavyweight history... Nothing boring to me...
Joe Frazier must have been so proud of his son.
The third greatest behind Ali and Forman
Yea,Larry Holmes carried the knock out punch
Joe had an unfair advantage. He was the first to use slopes armor on his forehead.
Joy rip a nic gye he always said nice things even when disrespected a good gye
Marvis was hurting so bad here. That's what it feels like too, like a big hole deep into your soul.
Holmes was a very good champion with a fantastic jab and lightning quick combinations . However , his resentment and dismissiveness towards other champion heavyweights not only smacks of disrespect but makes him look like a vindictive and jealous guy .
I'm telling ya, the milkman is the father of Marvis. He don't look a thing like Smokin Joe
Just kidding, he definitely looks like his daddy.
Without Joe Frazier there is no Muhammed Ali.
if you think larry holmes is a horrible fighter then great for you. And if you want to take away credit for beating a man at the end of his career you need to think again. Honestly every heavyweight could be accused of beating someone "Past there prime" but most of these aging heavyweights are just as deadly in there later years.
WTF has happend to Larry's head? New role in Conehead or what, lmao
Joe Frazier was a true role model in both boxing and life, a great human being and person, though it's sad to see too many a great champion not knowing when to retire,
Larry Holmes, another great champion in his prime, made a fucking fool of himself in later year, believing he could teach Iron Mike Tyson a boxing lesson, wobbling around in the ring like a punching ball before finally crashing on the canvas
Rip
Marvis may have sounded like joe he just couldn't fight like joe if at all.
Marvis was thrown in against the very best when he was very young. He was not at their level--but he was better than the typical journeyman. The good thing is that he retired before taking too much beating to his head. He has nothing to be ashamed of.
This is the last time I am telling you this. Bad audio and old boxers do not mix.
Just stop OK
Some of the Greatest fighters of all tme were kind of "Boring" but they were very effective techniques and measured shots. You are just a man that could never respect a man like larry holmes, Even far past his prime still taking on beast like prime tyson. Hes not a coward or a horrible fighter, he was a HW champion with one of Best records of all time. Who are you?
You must be a total nut to actually give Larry Holmes credit for beating a man with advanced parkinsons disease. You make me laugh!
Holmes had no business going up against a prime Tyson just as much as Ali had no business going up against a prime Holmes. Ali may have started showing early signs of Parkinsons syndrome but Larry Holmes stepped into the ring at almost 39 years old, coming from a 2 year layoff and with no tune-ups going against one of the most feared fighters in boxing history as well as one of the best finishers at the age of 22! Don't tell me that Holmes was an able bodied man.
Flat footed Holmes had good footwork? U kidding? He was a great great champion but he had other qualities! One of the best ever, inferior to Ali for sure, but a very good boxer.
Inferior to Ali !!..no way ...even at his peak Larry would of out jabbed old big head !!.....
+nobby roberts Holmes was a steady target and the accuracy of the first Ali would be a nightmare for him. Not to speak of Ali of the early 70s: too fast, iron chin, strong, stronger than people think (if prime Foreman couldn't KD/KO him than envious Holmes would have dreamed of). No, Holmes was not and could have never been better that Ali up to more or less Foreman fight or Thrilla in Manila. Only a syndrome could have helped that envious turd.
Funny head
The fact that Igor Marich can't even spell "Joe" which he wrote as JO,.... nor Muhammad , "MOHAMMAD" as he wrote it, leaves him fin the dust.
I sort of wonder if he spelled his own name correctly. "DOH!"
2nd!
LARRY HOLMES BEST HEAVYWEIGHT EVER.
Larry Holmes was a good Champion but Larry Holmes had a lot of mouth he couldn't stand up to a prime Ali or Sonny Liston I don't think he could stand up to Joe Frazier in his prime after what he said about Marciano he has no respect for any fighter I don't think he ever has he thinks he's the greatest no he wasn't the greatest I have to say the greatest was Joe Lewis the greatest heavyweight in history
He was pissed off, because Marciano's family wished for Larry's defeat, because he was close to match Marciano's record of wins in a row. When he lost - the family opened champagne, and send him video tape of it with best wishes. And then Larry said those things about jockstrap. And yes, Marciano fought bums or over the hill old champions.
Joe frazier was his sparring partner
@@michadebicki6534 agreed
Ali wasn’t just past his prime when he fought Holmes, he was clearly exhibiting signs of Parkinson’s already. It’s disgraceful that that fight was allowed to go on.
Holmes was a great champion but his resume just doesn’t touch Ali’s. Ali fought and beat the best heavyweights during the time when the heavyweight division was brimming with top talent.
Holmes is certainly one of the best fighters but he also fought in an era that didn’t have the depth of competition of Ali or Frazier’s.
Who you fought and beat us just as important as how many wins or losses you have.
Prior to his Tyson Fury fights, Deontay Wilder was undefeated but 95% of his fights were against fighters who no real shot of winning or were decent fighters who were old and passed their prime.
Horrible fighter?????? 48 and 0 with wins over some of best fighters of all time... could you get in ring and beat man like ray mercer? ali?
Joe was and over overachiever. 5'9 205 ish max. overachiever.
If Holmes destruction of Ali is meaningless because of Ali's age (8 years older than Holmes) , one has to use the same logic to diminish Ali's victories over an ancient Sonny Liston who was "officially" ten years older than Ali, and in reality much more than that. Ali worshippers, however, rarely like that logic.
+sportshistorybuff Liston was coming off of two first round knockouts of Floyd Patterson. I doubt anyone who saw Ali's fight against Cooper seriously thought Liston had anything to worry about.
+sportshistorybuff Ali had parkinsson when he fight Holmes.
And Liston's body was falling apart with bursitis, in constant pain and needing injections daily. His wifesaid it was so bad training in Miami, he often had to walk the streets for relief.
+sportshistorybuff Ok
When Ali beat Liston it was a major upset. Only the most optimistic thought he had a chance against Holmes.
HOlmes style would lose to two guys,frazier and tyson at their best.In his prime or not.wouldnt matter. Holmes could beat ali and foreman.Styles make fights and holmes style was made to oreder for the frazier/tyson style.