i know right?! how the frigg did it make it THIS HIGH! you guys WONT BELIEVE how high GRAVE TITAN is on THIS LIST! (spoiler: 2 places better than kodamas reach!)
I would consider finale of devastation to be better than green suns zenith, even though it’s one mana more, you aren’t limited to green creatures, and it can be a win con.
@@NitpickingNerds ya, it’s your list and all. I was just thinking that for one mana you get haste, recursion and a huge creature buff. That being said, if you don’t dump the extra mana into it green suns is a slightly better deal, as all you get for the other mana is more variety and recursion.
Just wanted to say...I am not an OG watcher, but I've been really going through your posts. You guys are amazing. I really appreciate your comment, humour, interactions, etc. You seem like guys that would just be fun you hang out with. It would be amazing to play magic with you guys. Keep up the great work, fellas.
Wow thanks Mike! Always happy when someone loves our content because that means they have a huge backlog to dig through which is the best feeling ever 😄 Come and hang in the discord, we have been getting more into spelltable lately (we actually just played 4 games yesterday)
also: im friggn saving money already to fly across the pond once covid is over, then i bruteforce my way into your EDH games! sadly (gladly?) i met SOOO many cool muricans thanks to you guys that i need to take like at least a month off work and visit as many of them as possible. but its gonna happen!
The distinction between instants and sorceries with flash I think is pretty important (name card types, some cards interact with one or the other, etc)
I am partial to Tragic Arrogance as a board wipe. *I* get the choice of what dies on each player's board. And *I* can choose the same permanent multiple times if I want (Enchantment Creatures or Artifact Creatures are the bane of other players). It is really fun when played.
Best Reanimate play in my Grixis Marchesa Artifacts deck: T1 - "I don't play a land, move to discard...discard a Blightsteel" T2 - "Swamp. Reanimate." ...boom. (And yes, I hit other black players first ASAP to get around Deluge, lol!)
I was hoping that Dread Return would be on this list or at least mentioned alongside Reanimate. The ability to cast Dread Return from the graveyard is so useful in self-mill decks. Also I'm suprised that Expropriate was the only turns spell in the top 15
GREAT content. I do agree that tutors are often the best sorceries, they can even take your best flash sorceries LUL! However, I think that a fair tier list maybe without the presence of tutors. Cheers!
Tutors are always some of the best cards you can play. Even in budget you can get good tutors through all the trophy, trinket, etc. Mages and a few other niche tutor cards
LED + Underworld Bridge + Brain Freeze would me a much better combination for cEDH as you don't give your opponents the opportunity to draw interaction, or maybe throw in a Hullbreacher with Wheel of Fortune and you have all the mana in the world. :P
what about gitaxian probe? when you talked about time spiral BZ said "0 mana, draw 1! i take it!". git prob does exactly that, and you peek at someone hand. being a free cantrip looks innocent, but is actually quite insane in combo and spellslinger decks. its so easy to exploit and oils engines that are already good
I'm surprised Time Warp (and its functionally similar cousins) didn't make the list. Extra Turn spells that go to the graveyard to be recurred are insane. I'd probably put them above Gamble, personally.
Kinda surprised to not see any nature’s lore type cards. I know they aren’t necessarily the most powerful cards but they (should) go in 99% of all the green decks imo. Very good list once again though!
Welp, time to buy a well-deserved Natural Order to pump my Yisan deck up e.e Great vid guys, my GF LOOOOVES expropriate and I, among suffering and despair, love her, spitefully whenever she plays it/talks about it.
gamble was printed in alpha its called demonic tutor ps.: time spiral + copy spells. if you have enough you can just infinitely draw 7 including another copy spell and shuffle your grave back to not mill out
I played a game where I played expropriate and didn't win where 3/4 players voted time... I regret not having/drawing into a wincon.... Still a good card.
I made a borderline cedh rielle deck and gamble is in there cuz its a tutor, and a draw after i discard and it bumps rielles power. Deck is near a g bar and is a straight 9 storm deck and then my emry artifact deck is right next to or right below that. Still working on getting my locust god deck faster and gavi is my go to deck thats a solid 7 for most pods.
Question for Beezy. Could you rank Reanimate, Animate Dead, and Necromancy for Meren in a reply to this comment. Just numbers is fine if you dont want to dive in.
I guess it depends on how heavily focused you are on milling and dredging and entombing, but I do think it goes 1, 2, 3. The question is how many of them do you want
Somewhere way below, most of these cards are crazy powerful! I guess as a side note we'd probably stick Nature's Lore, Three Visits, and Skyshroud Claim above Cultivate
The four dislikes are just people trying to sell underground sea for 2000 on Ebay and you told the masses they got em for 1000 on Ebay, "nitpicking nerds crashes the economy"
Shared summons ? And it’s less mana even, and yes it is an instant but tooth n nail shouldn’t be on the list but just showing how this is much better n u shouldnt run tooth n nail lol
"Cedh is just ten" not shure to understand, english is not my native lsnguage. You mean 11-15 doesnt even fit in CEDH? Just want to know if it's what you mean, trying to improuve my english I try to understand more than words and basic sentence, I want to be able to undetstand more complexe sentence, the meaning of sentences that doesnt say clearly things but let us interprete it. So my question is not about 11-15 being not good enought for CEDH, my question is more like did you mean "11-15 is already not good enough" like if you play cedh 1 to 10, don't go further.. as a way to say " even 10 is not really good enought.. pick the 5,6,7 first.. don't go until 13-14 like the end part of the list doesnt reach cedh power level.. in brief is it what you wanted to say? Or did you really wanted to say that the, specific cards from 11 to 15 aren,t ( specificaly) good enough for cedh. Or even meaning something else..
I'll admit, I was not expecting Grave Titan on this list. Really clever use of the fact that it's "a _sorcery_ speed spell" to sneak it in btw
What video are YOU watching!? 😂
i know right?! how the frigg did it make it THIS HIGH! you guys WONT BELIEVE how high GRAVE TITAN is on THIS LIST! (spoiler: 2 places better than kodamas reach!)
You can Emergence Zone out your Grave Titan and its number one instant
I don’t know where it’d rank for you guys if the list got extended, but in most decks that can play it, Jeska’s Will is ludicrously powerful.
Funny you say that, it was one of the last to be cut from our big list that started with 45-50 sorceries
"This card is completely insane" counter: 8
Joe Cherries 🍒 wants you to know how insane cards are!
Don't counter the tutor unless your counter is limited to noncreature or only instant/ sorcery.
@@bradleyhoward9638 Or they are going for Boseiju
“We love you all as much as we can without making y’all uncomfortable”
Funny AND considerate XD
I would consider finale of devastation to be better than green suns zenith, even though it’s one mana more, you aren’t limited to green creatures, and it can be a win con.
I was shocked I didn’t see it. Pulls from graveyard and a haste enabler .....
Just think Green Sun's Zenith has more utility is all, that one mana makes a fair bit of difference
@@ryanbigbabykinlawbrisbin753 oh ya I forgot about that too
@@NitpickingNerds ya, it’s your list and all. I was just thinking that for one mana you get haste, recursion and a huge creature buff. That being said, if you don’t dump the extra mana into it green suns is a slightly better deal, as all you get for the other mana is more variety and recursion.
@@elipetrou9308 finale close was cute pretty late in the process.
Looking forward to seeing Alpha Brawl on here.
😅
Just wanted to say...I am not an OG watcher, but I've been really going through your posts. You guys are amazing. I really appreciate your comment, humour, interactions, etc. You seem like guys that would just be fun you hang out with. It would be amazing to play magic with you guys. Keep up the great work, fellas.
Wow thanks Mike! Always happy when someone loves our content because that means they have a huge backlog to dig through which is the best feeling ever 😄 Come and hang in the discord, we have been getting more into spelltable lately (we actually just played 4 games yesterday)
Replenish is also really strong, if you play a decent amount of enchantments.
I agree 100% about proxies with you guys, great content, keep it up 👍
casting timetwister feels amazing! * puts on tophat and monocle *
I say old chap, well played!
also: im friggn saving money already to fly across the pond once covid is over, then i bruteforce my way into your EDH games! sadly (gladly?) i met SOOO many cool muricans thanks to you guys that i need to take like at least a month off work and visit as many of them as possible. but its gonna happen!
I'm in Oregon if you make it here. You can play with my pod. :)
The distinction between instants and sorceries with flash I think is pretty important (name card types, some cards interact with one or the other, etc)
Demonic Tutor was already my favorite card back in 1994. Yes i’m old....
Why pick a favorite when you can have ANY card be your favorite :P
You know what’s completely insane? How much I love your channel 😊😊😊
YOU ARE AWESOME PEANUT
@@NitpickingNerds I would only be kinda awesome if I didn’t watch the Nitpicking Nerds religiously !
You know what I miss? The look of resigned betrayal on Joe's face when Beezy would interrupt him.
That’s character growth!
I am partial to Tragic Arrogance as a board wipe. *I* get the choice of what dies on each player's board. And *I* can choose the same permanent multiple times if I want (Enchantment Creatures or Artifact Creatures are the bane of other players). It is really fun when played.
We love that card, we think it's one of the best in the format :)
Not sure if its top 15 but ive never casted triumph of the hordes and lost a game of edh.
if that card resolves it is pretty much insta win
Not sure where we'd put that card it's not something we usually play
The craterhoof behemoth of sorceries
You Triumphed
I feel like Armageddon is awesome in osgir where you're running a bunch of mana rocks.
Best Reanimate play in my Grixis Marchesa Artifacts deck:
T1 - "I don't play a land, move to discard...discard a Blightsteel"
T2 - "Swamp. Reanimate."
...boom.
(And yes, I hit other black players first ASAP to get around Deluge, lol!)
Blightsteel shuffled back into your deck
@@NitpickingNerds JUDGE!
I was hoping that Dread Return would be on this list or at least mentioned alongside Reanimate. The ability to cast Dread Return from the graveyard is so useful in self-mill decks. Also I'm suprised that Expropriate was the only turns spell in the top 15
The cost of 9 mana really brings it down
@@NitpickingNerds what do you mean?
Really like the daily uploads!
we're loving it too!
A friend of mine used [[Reanimate]] to recur [[Jin-Gitaxias]] on turn 2. We scooped.
Yeesh. Yeah that'll do it
Yikes
GREAT content. I do agree that tutors are often the best sorceries, they can even take your best flash sorceries LUL! However, I think that a fair tier list maybe without the presence of tutors. Cheers!
I loved this video series! Any chance you two might be considering updating this?
I would adjust my monocle for anyone who played Ravages of War against me and twirl my moustache against a Time Twister
Tutors are always some of the best cards you can play. Even in budget you can get good tutors through all the trophy, trinket, etc. Mages and a few other niche tutor cards
Can't afford Demonic Tutor? Just play Grim Tutor!
First suggestion to proxy....nice, keep preaching the gospel!
No Yawgmoth's Will? EDH is the only format its even legal in, not sure how it was missed.
Armageddon+ World Shaper + Sac Outlet seems reasonable
Agree. Grave Titan is indeed better than counterspell, counterspell does a one-for-one, Grave Titan is multiple bodies in one card!
triggered
Always nice to see a NPN episode queued 👾
Glad to hear it!
LED + Underworld Bridge + Brain Freeze would me a much better combination for cEDH as you don't give your opponents the opportunity to draw interaction, or maybe throw in a Hullbreacher with Wheel of Fortune and you have all the mana in the world. :P
Great lists
Thanks!
what about gitaxian probe? when you talked about time spiral BZ said "0 mana, draw 1! i take it!". git prob does exactly that, and you peek at someone hand. being a free cantrip looks innocent, but is actually quite insane in combo and spellslinger decks. its so easy to exploit and oils engines that are already good
Git Probe is up there. It is definitely one of the best cards ever printed. Moreso for 1v1 I think
I'm surprised Time Warp (and its functionally similar cousins) didn't make the list. Extra Turn spells that go to the graveyard to be recurred are insane. I'd probably put them above Gamble, personally.
Time warp in graveyard. Omnispell adept on the battlefield. Mnemonic deluge. 3 extra turns for 3 mana. That should be game. :)
I agree with the reserve list stance. That being said, really love me some proxies tho 🥰🥰
Kinda surprised to not see any nature’s lore type cards. I know they aren’t necessarily the most powerful cards but they (should) go in 99% of all the green decks imo. Very good list once again though!
Armageddon/Ravages of War can be brutal if combined with Kamahl's Will. Destroy all lands, except your Indestructible 1/1 lands!
That is what the kids call a Wombo Combo
Heroic Intervention works as well for only 2. Lets be honest, have you ever even seen Ravages of War played? Its like 1500 bucks
Welp, time to buy a well-deserved Natural Order to pump my Yisan deck up e.e
Great vid guys, my GF LOOOOVES expropriate and I, among suffering and despair, love her, spitefully whenever she plays it/talks about it.
Nice list thanks for tutoring me😉
Imagine time twister with smothering tithe. Okay I now get 21 free mana and seven new cards to play, thanks for playing
gamble was printed in alpha its called demonic tutor
ps.: time spiral + copy spells. if you have enough you can just infinitely draw 7 including another copy spell and shuffle your grave back to not mill out
Doomsday has fallen out in favour of cedh with the printing of opposition agent
Hard to keep up with the cEDH meta.
@@NitpickingNerds thats legit
Its all ad naus now
Dead of Winter seems really good with all the new snow stuff
It scales well with the game but early game it slacks off a bit.
Can't believe you forgot Spring of Eternal Piece, should have been number 1!!
Hell I'll drive to Buffalo. I mean, I'd do it just for Duffs, but playing EDH is a plus.
Duff's is a nice bonus
I love the reoccurring opening!
When are you going to start selling nitpicking nerd merch?
We tried in the past and it didn't come out very good so we're looking into it :)
I played a game where I played expropriate and didn't win where 3/4 players voted time... I regret not having/drawing into a wincon.... Still a good card.
00:30:40 lol, that always happens. Sometimes people skip past the disclaimer.
Step 1: Get triggered by an NN video
Step 2: Comment without watching 80% of the video
Step 3: Profit
My favorite is Tooth and Nail even tho I don’t use it to combo.
It's a pretty great card
I feel sorceries are supposed to be naturally stronger effects while instances are supposed to be decent and/or over costed.
I made a borderline cedh rielle deck and gamble is in there cuz its a tutor, and a draw after i discard and it bumps rielles power. Deck is near a g bar and is a straight 9 storm deck and then my emry artifact deck is right next to or right below that. Still working on getting my locust god deck faster and gavi is my go to deck thats a solid 7 for most pods.
Sounds like you are a big izzet fan lol
@@NitpickingNerds i dont run black or green and every spicy card in those colors ive pulled i traded for blue cards or artifacts lmao
definitely ballsy to try and make a list like this.
How did we do?
I bought my liliana art demonic tutor for my liliana tribal deck. It is pretty
Ooo I love that one
Gamble is my absolute favorite red card tbh
My demonic tuner has one manna for its casting cost so which is it
I just wonder how many dual lands have gotten destroyed over the years? Now the number of cards available is very, very limited..
Oh it's gotta be a substantial percentage
Hey NN, if I play Golos and put all of the Top 15 lists in one deck, will I have the Infinity Gauntlet of Commander? :o
I'm gonna say yes on that one
Always Green Sun Zenith for Dryad Arbor
Question for Beezy. Could you rank Reanimate, Animate Dead, and Necromancy for Meren in a reply to this comment. Just numbers is fine if you dont want to dive in.
1, 2, 3
I guess it depends on how heavily focused you are on milling and dredging and entombing, but I do think it goes 1, 2, 3. The question is how many of them do you want
Omnispell Adept makes this list ridiculous if you run blue.
Apocalypse for #1
Quite possibly...
Remove everything from the game and discard your entire hand? How could it not be number one?
Guyyyysss... number one, YAWGMOTH’S WILL. Comon now lol. Legit surprised me that this wasn’t. But DT is also top 5
Can’t even count the amount of games I’ve won off YW with my K’rrik deck. Not even in the video 😔
We considered it, but it's pretty bad outside of a spellslinger/storm type deck. None of the "storm" cards really cracked the list
Freaking omnipotence
Every one
Sacrifices half their creature
Loses half there life
And discards half their hand
All this how 3BB
Tergrid approves
Where did you get the Emrakul clock?
It's just the artwork :P
Armageddon belongs in Kaalia. Big time.
Expropriate is perfect in my Narset deck
Because it wins the game immediately? 😂
I always thought the floor is lava but apparently the floor is a mana dork.
Yeah, your whole life is a lie
Who is it on the reanimate art? 🤔
I think it's a gross shrively raisin man
Reanimate Grave Titan. Thats why reanimate is OP!
also also! OG duals S tier! fight me, poopface!
YOU ARE WHATS WRONG WITH THE WORLD
Where is cultivate and Kodamas reach?
Somewhere way below, most of these cards are crazy powerful! I guess as a side note we'd probably stick Nature's Lore, Three Visits, and Skyshroud Claim above Cultivate
If u play armageddon and dont win quickly im never playing with u again
That's a pretty fair outlook
can confirm. used to play land destruction when i first started edh. playgroup kicked me out.
You should have the win on the spot basically
The four dislikes are just people trying to sell underground sea for 2000 on Ebay and you told the masses they got em for 1000 on Ebay, "nitpicking nerds crashes the economy"
Lmao we are killing this
Plague of Vermin i think is the best sorcery in the game
It might be one of the coolest :P
*AHEM* There best be Vicious Rumors on this list or imma finna lose it.
Welp...
Timetwister is $9k now.
“Dual lands aren’t Tier S because they are on the reserved list.”
Puts multiple reserved list cards in this top 15 sorceries video.
👍😂
Peer into the Abyss....
#15 with the new Thor god
Big time game winning
Can you explain again? Please
Which one? lol
Now I wonder how many of these will be in the archive for Strixhaven 🤔
Ooo could be interesting
Chaos Warp
...
Chaos warp is an Instance.
Shared summons ? And it’s less mana even, and yes it is an instant but tooth n nail shouldn’t be on the list but just showing how this is much better n u shouldnt run tooth n nail lol
That's an instant lol
Kinda makes tooth and nail trashy looking actually for 4 more mana, like oh yea guys you just wait!!! You just wait til I get that nine mana!
What's better than Progenitus? Hahaha
Riiiiight 😂
Whoa ull play game if we drive up!!!!! Brings 14 decks*
Yes muchie we eill play with you
\(^o^)/!!!
Lol at $3k for a twister... closer to $5-6k
yikes
Tbh Demonic Tutor = 99 card deck
Yeah it just cantrips you into your best thing. It's funny when the card you tutor for is on top
Young people don't understand the good spongebob references 😢
It's a damn shame
sonic wallet
Not even creative 0/10
"Cedh is just ten" not shure to understand, english is not my native lsnguage. You mean 11-15 doesnt even fit in CEDH? Just want to know if it's what you mean, trying to improuve my english I try to understand more than words and basic sentence, I want to be able to undetstand more complexe sentence, the meaning of sentences that doesnt say clearly things but let us interprete it. So my question is not about 11-15 being not good enought for CEDH, my question is more like did you mean "11-15 is already not good enough" like if you play cedh 1 to 10, don't go further.. as a way to say " even 10 is not really good enought.. pick the 5,6,7 first.. don't go until 13-14 like the end part of the list doesnt reach cedh power level.. in brief is it what you wanted to say? Or did you really wanted to say that the, specific cards from 11 to 15 aren,t ( specificaly) good enough for cedh. Or even meaning something else..
They mean by power level, as how strong something is from 1 to 10
@@rend7979 oh, ok, thanks, i ll listen again to integrate what he said with the meaning. Thank's again 🙂
consuming abberation stays when you Toxic Deluge
Most likely 😂
blasphemous act doesnt win you the game? toralf would like a word with you
I’ll fight Toralf right now!
@@NitpickingNerds you'd be dead from blasphemous act
@@NitpickingNerds * laughs in hand full of red board wipes *
Tutors ugh makes me vomit