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  • Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
  • We all know Elves and Dragons and Zombies, but what about all those other creature types? These are the tribal decks we hope get more support in the future!
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  • @hermesthenerd9967
    @hermesthenerd9967 2 года назад +81

    honestly I'd love for a 5 or 6 mana demon that says "you can pay life to cast demon spells". would be so good but glass canon-y!!

    • @fargoretro
      @fargoretro 2 года назад +9

      Vilis + Skirge Familiar. You're welcome :d

    • @ianshevlin8675
      @ianshevlin8675 2 года назад +10

      Sounds kinda like kirrik

    • @DracoX-hz3tu
      @DracoX-hz3tu 2 года назад +5

      Yeah I get your idea but that wouldn't be "glass cannon" it would just be broken as hell. Just look at kirrik (may be misspelling that) to see how broken paying life for spells is
      EDIT: Maybe with a once per turn restriction it would make more sense but then it's worse kaalia so idk

    • @argentmoon9342
      @argentmoon9342 2 года назад +1

      @@DracoX-hz3tu your on the right track though for making a balanced card. Maybe make it (4)BBB and legendary. I can't think of Power/Toughness though.

    • @Mrbuzzfuzz
      @Mrbuzzfuzz 2 года назад +3

      Theres one coming up that gives demons lifelink

  • @davidr3146
    @davidr3146 2 года назад +21

    I want to see more Kavu's. I have always loved them since i started playing back in Planeshift. My favorite in that set was Flametongue Kavu, that card made me fall in love with that type. MORE KAVU WotC!!

    • @BokehBard
      @BokehBard 2 года назад

      My favorite creature type back in Planeshift!

    • @calebbacci1742
      @calebbacci1742 Год назад

      Fuck, I was just thinking about this! I loved Kavus, they’re so cool! My favorite of all time is Vianshinos!

  • @CrabBaskets
    @CrabBaskets 2 года назад +33

    I'm so glad that Joey brought up Specters! That is the tribe I would love for more support.

    • @zackkelley2940
      @zackkelley2940 2 года назад +2

      Aren't Specters unaffected by gravity? Sounds like the tribe least in need of support^^

  • @victorcarrillo2151
    @victorcarrillo2151 2 года назад +8

    I was listening to the podcast in Spotify and had to come to RUclips to post my idea for specter commander: A commander when a specter causes your opponents to discard, they discard a card at random and into exiled, you or the owner can play that card until the end of that player next end turn. I think it will be tons of fun.

  • @AENock
    @AENock 2 года назад +45

    We haven't seen a viable Shaman-matters commander despite the tribe being huge at 452. There are 61 Legendary Shaman and only one, Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro specifically mentions Shaman. It's also Mono Green and a Snake lord.
    Jund and Naya would be reasonable colorways. I'd even be happy with Gruul.

    • @sixzerotwo
      @sixzerotwo 2 года назад +4

      A "Shaman matters" commander i have been looking at is Rocco, Cabaretti Caterer. For 2WRG you can play Harmonic Prodigy as your commander and double Shaman triggers.

    • @Customerbuilder
      @Customerbuilder 2 года назад

      I completely agree! So many great supporting shamans, between E-Wit, Steve, etc. I built a Jund Shaman deck. It closed out the game w/ either Woodfall Primus/ Grum Gully (or Metallic Mimic), or Kiki-Jiki/Lightning Crafter. A little sadly, I went with Prossh as the commander. I really needed a sac outlet in the command zone, and there was lots of "death" support (Mazirek and Judith, Scourge Diva). I also had a sub-theme for Legendary creatures w/ Reki and Time of Need. I recently took it apart. I just couldn't dial in the power level; some games turn 6 combo win, others I'd get stuck in the "clunky 4-drop mire" prevalent in a lot of tribal decks.

    • @NightOfCrystals
      @NightOfCrystals Год назад +1

      Temur or Abzan Shamans matter would be really sweet.

    • @maxducoudray
      @maxducoudray Год назад

      If it doesn’t support Deathrite Shaman, I riot.

    • @andrewfornes5320
      @andrewfornes5320 Год назад

      My Shaman deck is run by Sek'kuar. I love the recursion

  • @JSBozick
    @JSBozick 2 года назад +12

    The RUclips algorithm was onto you this week, they recommended a bunch of your older tribal-related videos to me over the past couple of days. I’m always glad to see more tribal coverage!

  • @peterstewart7332
    @peterstewart7332 2 года назад +19

    Feel the Gorgon point in my soul. I've been trying to build a Gorgon tribal for a long time, and it just comes out terrible right now.

    • @coreyroberson4550
      @coreyroberson4550 2 года назад +2

      Same. I tried back in 2010 when there were even less options than now. I went with a Venom + Lure theme and had to fill in with Basilisks, Snakes, Spiders, Scorpions, and Insects because there weren't anywhere close to enough Gorgons. And in addition to trying to collect one of every Dragon art, I have collected one of every Gorgon art (a lot easier to do, btw). Maybe someday.

    • @FlowBerni
      @FlowBerni 2 года назад +1

      Bro i love Gorgonzola so much that my mind is constantly thinking about Gorgon.
      I hope that Gorgon tribal will be pushed in the future so i can build a Gorgon Food Token Deck xD

  • @championsoftheparish241
    @championsoftheparish241 2 года назад +13

    A tribe that I hope and pray gets some love and I've been saying this for a while is the KAVU tribal. We need a good KAVU legendary and that tribal will be legit!!

    • @deaconobvious
      @deaconobvious 2 года назад +3

      Every time we have sets that take us back to Dominaria, my hopes start to rise for a legendary Naya kavu.

    • @kingfuzzy2
      @kingfuzzy2 2 года назад +2

      Kavu and beast tribal are so close to having excellent support it's absurd that they aren't there yet.

  • @StormDunakin
    @StormDunakin 2 года назад +5

    The most underloved is Raccoon. We got two in capenna. But it should of started back with the squirrels. A Squirrel vs Raccoon rivalry would of been fun.

    • @bigmacmm5
      @bigmacmm5 2 года назад

      But then who would be the ones to protect us from the eldrazi? The squirrels are currently doing it.. they cant fight squirrels right now.

    • @StormDunakin
      @StormDunakin 2 года назад

      @@bigmacmm5 Raccoons could.

    • @sleepystar1638
      @sleepystar1638 Месяц назад +1

      wish granted

  • @ashtontucker9527
    @ashtontucker9527 2 года назад +6

    WOTC has been teasing Selesnya Unicorn/ Life gain for a bit with Lathriel and Emiel, but we need more unicorns to full flesh out the deck. I am hopeful we will see more Unicorns in the near future to add that little umph that it needs.

  • @MrJeffAqua
    @MrJeffAqua 2 года назад +6

    Last week I did lose to a demon tribal deck to the effects of Lliana's contract. The deck had 13 different legendary demons and my friend chooses one at random at the start of the game.

  • @myxini
    @myxini 2 года назад +5

    Unicorns! We have a good commander who cares about them, but most of the unicorn creatures are just filler tier.
    Also more support for spiders and insects would be great.

  • @creedmoor2820
    @creedmoor2820 2 года назад +3

    I would love to see like Druids (G), Soldiers (W), Advisors (U), Warlocks (B), and Berserkers (R) all get love in a Commander deck set one day. Have it tribally connected but also focused on how broad their abilities are and try to tie that all together. Occupational tribal ftw!

  • @dorsalfin22
    @dorsalfin22 2 года назад +12

    YES! Spellshapers. Joey I am trying to make a spellshaper deck right now and there are so many interesting ones (over 50) which blew my mind. There are a lot of great discard synergies which works for the tribe as well. The only thing missing is an on theme commander. Right now I am looking at Jegantha to help me pay for the colored mana in the activated abilities, and will be running other cards to reduce the costs such as Zirda, Heartstone, and Biomancer's Familiar. If they made an on theme commander I would be so excited

    • @michaelking947
      @michaelking947 2 года назад

      Haha yeah, I was looking into the tribe as well for a janky kenrith build. Not quite an on-theme commander but helps with the refill issue

    • @dahuntre
      @dahuntre 2 года назад

      Same! I’ve been looking for a 2 or 3 color commander, ideally including red for Badgersaur and other discard synergies.
      Jeskai: Brallin/Shabraz, discard/draw synergies.
      Grixis: Mairsil can acquire spellshaping and doesn’t mind discarding,
      Jund: Windgrace focusing on discarding lands, including Borborygmos 2 and such.
      Non-red: Damia, refilling your hand after discarding to spellshape

    • @dorsalfin22
      @dorsalfin22 2 года назад

      @@dahuntre yep both Damia and Brallin are in my list so far! Also Rielle and Bonemiser will need to be in there. The hard part for me is picking which actual spellshapers I want haha

    • @jonnyrice5263
      @jonnyrice5263 2 года назад

      Why not Esper or Dimir? Toluz will eventually give back all the cards you discard, or Oskar will let you cast some of them. You still get to use Bone Miser, and you can play around with things leaving the grave (Syr Konrad, Tormod, etc.).

    • @ajespers426
      @ajespers426 2 года назад

      Niuttuc from MTGGoldfish played a 5c spellshaper tribal deck on one of their videos not too long ago, with Garth as the commander and Zirda partner. I can't remember how it played but the decklist was pretty neat.

  • @Squiggypie
    @Squiggypie 2 года назад +14

    I'm waiting for about a dozen more high quality Minotaurs, and then Sethron is go!

  • @pauldyson8098
    @pauldyson8098 2 года назад +5

    Crackdown goes straight in Rebecca Guay tribal.
    Dwarves and Druids deserve the nod for jankiest tribes that are actually competitive (Magda and Seton single-handedly boost these underloved tribes significantly).
    And Dana knows how powerful shamans are, since Reki is the best Commander of all time.

  • @HRPufnsting
    @HRPufnsting 2 года назад +6

    Insects, I really wish we had a decent insect commander, there are a good variety of insects but no good tribal commander.

    • @DracoX-hz3tu
      @DracoX-hz3tu 2 года назад

      Grist, the hunger tide and blex, vexing pest care about insects. I still don't really think it makes sense that grist is a legal commander despite being a walker without the "can be commander" text but it's pretty cool

    • @HRPufnsting
      @HRPufnsting 2 года назад +1

      @@DracoX-hz3tu I don’t think Grist is a good insect tribal commander because his ability wants you to put your insects in the gy not play them, why do I want to bin my vorepede or hornet queen for a generic 1/1?
      Blex is ok but boring as a generic lord that doesn’t particularly care about the tribe.

  • @ultimateretroasd
    @ultimateretroasd 2 года назад +3

    Zurzoth is the Devil tribal deck I didn't know I wanted until I try it out. Is super fun and a really original design space.
    On the other hand, Demons are great as a reanimation sub theme, but it's true that even though most of them are legendary creatures, Thre aren't any of them that click as a cool "this is the demon commander"

    • @alephcastro
      @alephcastro 2 года назад +1

      Zurzoth is my homeboy and my favorite deck right now.

  • @Hashbrown1682
    @Hashbrown1682 2 года назад +12

    I want more otters!
    We were *this* close to a legendary otter, we were this close to greatness.

    • @jacquesdespadas
      @jacquesdespadas 2 года назад +2

      Rule 0! Gotta lean into Rule 0.

    • @zingyllama4730
      @zingyllama4730 2 года назад

      There's a red blue otter right? But it's banned

    • @Hashbrown1682
      @Hashbrown1682 2 года назад +1

      @@zingyllama4730 yeah that's the one I was talking about

    • @breadknightrg3077
      @breadknightrg3077 4 месяца назад +1

      well I hope your happy. you got your wish in 2024

    • @Hashbrown1682
      @Hashbrown1682 4 месяца назад +1

      @@breadknightrg3077 I am very

  • @Circular_Square
    @Circular_Square 2 года назад +9

    My chosen Tribe was Kavu, the last one we got was in MH2 in Territorial Kavu; and Kavu's don't even have their own legendary Creature. I'd really like to see a Legendary Kavu in Jund.

    • @davidr3146
      @davidr3146 2 года назад

      I just posted about kavu. Jund would be cool, but idk I've always had a view of kavu being 5-color. I would love to see a 5-color Kavu commander and/or a Jund commander.

    • @caligo7918
      @caligo7918 2 года назад

      There are no blue Kavus and only one with white. There are also only two with black, so the tribe is almost exclusively red/green.
      I would not mind a WUBRG commander, but i'd also be happy with RG and everything inbetween.
      I played Kavu Tribal in Standard back in the day and i miss them...

    • @davidr3146
      @davidr3146 2 года назад +1

      I thought there was more blue and white was wrong. So yeah Gruul definetly, Jund with more black kavu. WUBRG would be awesome but would require alot of support. So I'll settle for jund or gruul.

    • @davidr3146
      @davidr3146 2 года назад +1

      @@caligo7918 Wait a minute there is a Kavu with white and blue, Kavu Glider. The creature is red but it has activated abilities that are white and blue. So there is a precedent for kavu to be blue.

    • @caligo7918
      @caligo7918 2 года назад

      @@davidr3146 okay, it's a WUBRG tribe with 90% RG. If it gets a WUBRG commander it also needs more Kavus for the 99. The fourty+ Kavus in existence are not very efficient, Odyssee was a low powered block.

  • @PaulOkon1981
    @PaulOkon1981 2 года назад +3

    Titania's Song, heck yea. One of the cards that keeps popping in and out of my Selvala GW Enchantress over the years

  • @tisseurdereves6414
    @tisseurdereves6414 2 года назад +8

    No love for demons? What about Kalia of the Vast? She spits out demons for free! True, she also cares about angels and dragons, but still, very much a demon commander nonetheless!

  • @tildukeball
    @tildukeball 2 года назад +7

    Joey, that Cohen reference was flawless

  • @tabiasgrafton9590
    @tabiasgrafton9590 2 года назад +3

    I’d like to see a siren or a skeleton commander. Sirens could focus on their tap abilities and the skeletons their regeneration

    • @b-1edward293
      @b-1edward293 2 года назад

      I would love more skeleton love. I would personally want one that gave into more of the reanimating aspect of skeletons.

  • @jundsheep7599
    @jundsheep7599 2 года назад +15

    I’d love to see more homarid and cephalid support.

  • @tserrofz9
    @tserrofz9 2 года назад +2

    Spellshaper Legend - 5 Color - When you activate a spellshaper, if it discards, you may exert. If you do so, draw 2.
    I want a skeleton commander - You may play skeletons from the graveyard 1Mana 1/1.
    Id like a new Izzet goblins. When you draw a card you may sacrifice a goblin. If you do Goblin Grenade something.

    • @doodlehumper3529
      @doodlehumper3529 2 года назад

      There’s maybe a commander coming in baldur’s gate named gut that would work well with skeletons as long as you give it a black background

  • @joshualaskowski9196
    @joshualaskowski9196 2 года назад +5

    I wanna go hog wild with pigs! About 30-50 feral boars in deck.

  • @54m0h7
    @54m0h7 2 года назад +2

    I made a Demon tribal deck at one point with Vilas, Broker of Blood. Just dropping a few powerful Demons could actually be really good.
    I would love to see more Spellshaper support. I think a Madness deck might be a good for them as well.

  • @JuQmadrid
    @JuQmadrid 2 года назад +5

    I used Crackdown before in my Arcades, the Strategist deck. It's a powerful card but the way it impacts the game is bad because it freezes, noone wants to attack and then you become the archenemy because you're taking away everybody's fun.

  • @Ize19
    @Ize19 2 года назад +9

    Man, I want a great commander for Golems in Bant colors so bad! There's a lot of cool Golems out there, and the Splicers are great lords, but all the Legendary ones are in the wrong colors! Plus, there's Constructs stealing a lot of Golem's thunder these days, they definitely need more love from Wizard's, and from MtG content creators too!

    • @GromitTheLegend
      @GromitTheLegend 2 года назад +2

      I've played several gx two color versions. The commander legends partners have been a big help for that. I also have tried sultai for 3 color

  • @jackhumphries4692
    @jackhumphries4692 2 года назад +2

    In terms of clerics, my friend PwnguinMage (who I believe is in the discord) has a Orah deck which SLAPS and is completely unique in strategy, it's insane how survivable that deck is even though there's barely any life gain

    • @AENock
      @AENock 2 года назад

      Yeah Clerics are super sticky with Orah. I did lean into the gain n drain to grind, but the Cleric toolbox is great. It's a huge tribe with a myriad of strategies. Orah plays well to Pyre of Heroes as well.

  • @plewcock2746
    @plewcock2746 2 года назад +1

    You could build around Spellshapers, if you incorporate card draw effects that trigger off the destruction or other effect of the Spellshaper e.g. Species Specialist/Harvester of Souls/Viridian Revel. That'd prevent the hellbent aspect.
    Alternatively play a reanimation or a madness strategy?

  • @leonfriedemann9151
    @leonfriedemann9151 2 года назад +3

    I would love to see more skeletons or new art for some of the old ones and in some day a skeleton matters commander 🤔

  • @NightOfCrystals
    @NightOfCrystals Год назад +1

    I’d love to see more support for beasts, birds, and lands that can become creatures.

  • @thrillhouse4151
    @thrillhouse4151 2 года назад +10

    Creature types are weird, so many of them are like jobs or occupations. I wish there were more cards that bestowed types in a flavorful way like Dub.

    • @roadrash2005
      @roadrash2005 Год назад

      You might like Sensei Golden-Tail, he literally trains creatures to become samurai

  • @sammin101
    @sammin101 2 года назад +2

    I’d like more spiders, the most recent legendary spider was in an alchemy set :(
    I think the various humanoids in mtg could all get more support too. Kor, Vedalken, Kithkin, Centaurs, and so on. Like there’s 3000 humans already but most humanoids don’t even reach 100

    • @b-1edward293
      @b-1edward293 2 года назад

      Ishkanah, Grafwidow wouldake a good spider commander. You'll be in Gruul which gives you most of what you want anyhow. A definite go wide strategy. 😊

  • @zackkelley2940
    @zackkelley2940 2 года назад +2

    In the same vein as Hand to Hand see Basandra Battle Seraph in Boros.

  • @sweetandsaltyminx7310
    @sweetandsaltyminx7310 11 месяцев назад

    I have a Spellshapers tribal deck with Toluz! It's a nice way to take advantage of that discard theme and get the cards back over and over

  • @NightyKnight09
    @NightyKnight09 4 месяца назад

    16:51 the aristocrat player in Joey approvingly grunts as he sees the synergy with the commander in question

  • @scaredycat3146
    @scaredycat3146 2 года назад +2

    Sultai Turtles got a few new decent cards and even rares more recently. And with Archelos they even have a commander. They do many different things though so it's tricky to make them work together tbh and there are no lords yet but they're not that far off as a tribal I swear!
    I've even won with the deck before. Twice! Out of twenty games or so..

  • @kyerfolsom5982
    @kyerfolsom5982 2 года назад +4

    Challenge Stats for Dana: Musician in Falco. such a silly one with proliferate

  • @QuicksilverSG
    @QuicksilverSG Год назад

    Many of the tribes that seem neglected are actually occupational guilds rather than racial groups. Among the top 50 tribes listed on EDHREC, only five of them are guilds: Wizards, Knights, Pirates, Rogues, and Soldiers. The rest are all creatures that belong to a particular species (such as dragons, elves, humans, etc). Since a variety of creature types can belong to the same guild (e.g. Wizards or Knights), it's more challenging to build a tribal theme around a guild with diverse members. Creatures of the same race fit more vividly into their particular archetype.

  • @kingfuzzy2
    @kingfuzzy2 2 года назад +1

    Nightstalkers, thrulls, serfs, sponges, licids and leeches among other scourge block creatures need more love hope wotc brings out more support for each and every obscure tribe.

  • @user-tl4ze2vq9i
    @user-tl4ze2vq9i Год назад

    I have a mono black iname spirit tribal deck, and it's one of the jankiest and most fun deck to play. Just dump half of your spirits into the grave, then bring them all back with living death. Also mask wood nexus helps with the few non-spirits in the deck, such as Syr Konrad

  • @plain6677
    @plain6677 2 года назад

    A fun Specter Commander could be:
    UBR 2/2 Flying
    Whenever an opponent discard one or more cards, they exile them, lose 2 life and draw a card. Each Specter card in your graveyard has an Unearth cost equal to its mana value.
    A fun Sphinx Commander could be:
    3WUB 5/5 Flying
    Whenever you draw one or more card except for the first one you draw during each of your draw steps, instead you choose a nonland card name then target opponent reveals a number of cards from the top of their library equal to twice the number of Sphinx you control. If the chosen spell is revealed this way, exile it and you may cast it without paying its mana cost. Then that player shuffles the rest into his or her library.
    A fun Druid commander could be:
    RGW 1/1
    Whenever a nontoken Druid you control dies, search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped then shuffle. It becomes a creature with “This creature’s power and toughness are each equal to the number of lands you control”. It’s still a land.
    A fun Spellshaper commander could be:
    BRG 2/2
    UW, T: Discard two cards: At the end of the next end step, return to your hand each card discarded during this turn.
    You may activate abilities of Spellshaper you control as though as those creatures had haste.
    A fun Demon commander could be:
    3BR 5/5 Flying, trample, menace, protection from Angels and from Humans.
    Whenever another Demon enters the battlefield under your control, each opponent may sacrifice a non-Demon creature they control. If they don’t, all non-Demon creatures get -2/-2 until end of turn and each player loses 2 life.
    A fun Archon commander could be:
    5WB 7/7 Flying
    When [cardname] enters the battlefield, attacks or dies return another target Archon card from a graveyard or from exile into play under your control. This ability triggers only once each turn.
    At the beginning of your upkeep, if you control seven or more Archons with different names, you win the game.
    A fun Djinn commander could be:
    2URW 3/6 Flying, Shroud
    At the beginning of each end step, if you drew exactly one card this turn, put a wish counter on target Djinn you control.
    U, Remove a wish counter from a creature you control: Reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a noncreature card. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. If you don’t exile it. Put all the revealed cards not cast this way on the bottom of your library in a random order.
    A fun Homunculus commander could be:
    1U 1/1
    Whenever a card enters the battlefield from a library or was cast from a library, you may goad target creature.

  • @RobThePrincess
    @RobThePrincess 4 месяца назад

    I feel like Specters definitely could use more help, but they are almost there already.
    Krosis the Purger at the head, load up with specters that discard, and then play a lot of cards like Temple Bell that can group hug and give your opponents more cards to discard, so you aren't being AS mean as you could be.

  • @chasm9557
    @chasm9557 2 года назад +1

    I want more support for scarecrows because I think Reaper King has really cool artwork, but I don't think there are enough scarecrows to make a Reaper King deck without it either being a shapeshifter tribal or a 5 color artifact creatures deck. I think some of the scarecrows like Rattleblaze Scarecrow, Wingrattle Scarecrow, and the Skulkins could serve for a blueprint of 'colors matter' as a scarecrow archetype, but for me to also have the motivation to build it and buy the cards for it I want to have scarecrows that have colors and not have to put in shapeshifters unless they have other abilities that would synergise with the scarecrows.

  • @DoylePrime
    @DoylePrime 2 года назад +2

    @Matt, you should try making Rocco, Cabaretti Caterer as Commander to tutor up the Gilt-leaf Archdruid. I'm sure the druids could produce enough mana to make this worth it.

  • @thatlamp
    @thatlamp 2 года назад

    Okay, but Seton, Krosan Protector's ability IS exciting. Everyone seems to miss this, but his ability bypasses summoning sickness. He plays like a mono green Urza in a way. I have a deck built around him and it can hang at cEDH tables. It's an incredibly powerful druid tribal storm deck where I can get into loops with my druids. It also runs Gilt-Leaf Archdruid of course.

  • @voxkine9385
    @voxkine9385 2 года назад +1

    I think it was Nitpicking Nerds who did a video in the human tribe, and iirc, the general conclusion was that the tribe has a ton of options, but that humans all go in so many different directions that it is hard to find a single strategy that can be focused on well.

  • @emerson685
    @emerson685 2 года назад

    I have a Spellshaper deck! Ghost of Ramirez de Pietro and Ravos work well together as a spellshaper team. Mind you, it is slow.
    I think ideally a Spellshaper commander would provide haste as well, because the tribe all require tapping. Otherwise, just some text like De Pietro or Ravos works super well!

  • @CraftySloth
    @CraftySloth 2 года назад

    Loved this. Lots of good points were made here. Particularly regarding whether the legendaries that exist in under supported tribes really do much for making the creature types matter.
    Personally, I'd love more support in tribes like phoenixes. We finally just got a commander for them, but could really use more viable phoenixes to flesh out a complete deck.

  • @bruisedfrog
    @bruisedfrog 2 года назад +1

    The two I want is for archers and spiders in either Abzan, Jund, or Naya would be cool. An archer pinger theme is what I'd love to see. Doran being the best spider commander is something of a feels bad man

  • @ninguemandrade
    @ninguemandrade 2 года назад

    Ooze tribal is one cool commander from getting there. I had a Sakashima/Reyhan Ooze tribal focused on multiplying the oozes and getting them +1/+1 counters, but it was a bit too clunky. An Ooze commander that somehow bring those things together for all the jellies would be amazing!

  • @glyphic1855
    @glyphic1855 Год назад

    For a Gorgon Tribal commander, it could be a green, black, and blue one that has something along the lines of when your gorgons kill a creature, put it onto your side of the field as a 0/X defender, where X is its original toughness. Flavorful in turning enemies into stone, and works with gorgons since they care about deathtouch!!
    Me personally, I want some more spider love. My first ever deck was Ishkanah, it was awful but I tried to hard to make it work om a budget. I'm glad we've gotten new cards like Lolth, but a red-green-black spider that has abilities that care about spiders would be great. Thantis is lovely and all, but thantis is much more fun played as a chaotic battler imo

  • @Redragonclaws
    @Redragonclaws 2 года назад

    You guys mentioned Treefolk in the Challenge the Stats but not the video! This classic fantasy tribe is criminally undersupported

  • @gavinforbes5645
    @gavinforbes5645 2 года назад

    I love tribal decks, both fairly normal and slightly offbeat. I’ve got Lathril elves, Unesh sphinxes, Strefan vampires, and a few other fairly standard tribal decks.
    But I’ve also got Mavren Fein mono-white vampires, Taborax mono-black clerics, and Jerren mono-black humans. Support for new tribes and for off-colour tribes is really exciting.

  • @michaelsanchez6378
    @michaelsanchez6378 2 года назад

    Goblins by far are my favorite and first starter deck I bought to get into MTG during Scourge. One of the best flavor text is hands down goblins. One the best tribes to play starting off plus you can play them a couple different ways.

  • @SunShinyReys
    @SunShinyReys 2 года назад

    I'm the type of player that makes and takes apart decks somewhat often. I've played Humans, Elves, Changelings, Clerics, Merfolk, Rogues, and Pests. The Pests had the least support, but it worked as an Aristocrats Life gain Dina Deck.

  • @patstevenswhohatesbuttermi5861
    @patstevenswhohatesbuttermi5861 2 года назад

    I think Damia would be cool to make a Gorgon deck with. Green and black are Gorgon colors, plus blue to clone them. Changelings are also a thing. That's what made EDH fun in the early days. Making do with what you had to build the deck you wanted without specific product that catered to the format, or even Standard cards with the format in mind. A guy in my group played U/R artifacts before there were any legends for the archetype and the deck was still nuts. "Just for the colors" is not always a bad thing. I appreciate decks that function fine without the commander and have a few myself.

  • @ColorwaveCraftsCo
    @ColorwaveCraftsCo 2 года назад

    I agree with Dana, I want more support for Gorgons! Vraska is my favorite planeswalker and I would love to build a gorgon tribal deck in honor of her.

  • @loganfenley5897
    @loganfenley5897 2 года назад

    Love my Chulane Druid Tribal deck. And yes, Gilt-Leaf Archdruid is in the 99.
    As far as Spellshapers are concerned, * really like Esper spellshapers in my Sefris deck. Pitching creatures for venture triggers and recursion courtesy of Teshar and Barrowin has got a lot going for it.

  • @kingfuzzy2
    @kingfuzzy2 2 года назад +1

    Crackdown is incredible in my 4 wall decks (one of which is doran) highly recommend.

  • @DoylePrime
    @DoylePrime 2 года назад +2

    My brain was broken at EACH of your dad jokes today... 🙃🤯

  • @nik700
    @nik700 2 года назад +3

    We need a proper dog commander! I want to play with Alpine Houndmaster

    • @nik700
      @nik700 2 года назад

      @@nathanmoore3866 I mean a commander that cares only about dogs. I tried Rin and Seri, but it feels very unfocused for me

  • @travisholcomb8787
    @travisholcomb8787 2 года назад

    I have a Specter tribal deck! I use a Nicol Bolas, the Ravager as the commander, and I threw in discard synergies and a reanimation package to get back my opponents toys to play with. It’s a lot of fun, and the deck can be BRUTAL when it gets online. I’d love to get even more support for them, though!

  • @Customerbuilder
    @Customerbuilder 2 года назад

    My vote is Shaman tribal. So many great supporting shamans, between E-Wit, Steve, etc. I built a Jund Shaman deck. It closed out the game w/ either Woodfall Primus/ Grum Gully (or Metallic Mimic), or Kiki-Jiki/Lightning Crafter. A little sadly, I went with Prossh as the commander. I really needed a sac outlet in the command zone, and there was lots of "death" support (Mazirek and Judith, Scourge Diva). I also had a sub-theme for Legendary creatures w/ Reki and Time of Need. I recently took it apart. I just couldn't dial in the power level; some games turn 6 combo win, others I'd get stuck in the "clunky 4-drop mire" prevalent in a lot of tribal decks.

  • @Asterothe91
    @Asterothe91 2 года назад

    39:46
    this could be a legendary jeskai spellshaper commander that says whenever an ability you control causes you to discard one or more cards you may draw up to that many cards.
    BOOM adds more love to white, gives you gas for all the discarding and flows with the theme of spellshaper

  • @ncuco
    @ncuco 2 года назад

    I had a blue//black specter deck. Which was basically a discard//return permanents to owner's hand deck. Recoil made into a deck
    But I took it apart because when it worked, no one else would have fun

  • @The_MechaGojira
    @The_MechaGojira 2 года назад

    My first commander back in 2013 was actually Crosis the Purger as a Specter commander 😅
    I have been wishing for a good unique specter commander for years!

  • @robertbentley2897
    @robertbentley2897 2 года назад

    I had a cleric tribal deck but used Athreos as the commander. It was more about worshipping him with the clerics and it was a fun theme deck for sure.

  • @loganfenley5897
    @loganfenley5897 2 года назад +1

    I have my fingers crossed for Baldur's Gate giving us the real Demogorgon as the premier demon tribal commander. Since Stranger Things turned Demogorgon into a walking venus flytrap, thet would have to give him one of his nicknames like Prince of Demons or The Sibilant Beast.

  • @user-nj3jg6if5i
    @user-nj3jg6if5i 2 года назад +3

    No mention of Rebels? For shame! All they need are some Rebels worth fetching with other Rebels...

  • @slaysfordays3197
    @slaysfordays3197 11 месяцев назад +1

    Hellions need support BAD! they are one of red's iconic creature types but there are like 14 of them and all but like 2 of them suck. There are 3 hellion legends and none of them mesh very well with the hellions we do have. I think a proper hellion legend would take advantage of high power and low toughness or creatures that are not able to block as these are both common features on the few hellions that we do have. Maybe something like "Hellion creatures you control have trample. When a creature you control attacks that has greater power than toughness it gets +X/+0 where X is the difference. Definitely in mono-red, hopefully along side some more hellion prints.

  • @zwolf4118
    @zwolf4118 2 года назад +7

    I gotta go with shamans. There are so many powerful shamans in Magic's history but with no love for him.

    • @Customerbuilder
      @Customerbuilder 2 года назад +1

      I completely agree! So many great supporting shamans, between E-Wit, Steve, etc. I built a Jund Shaman deck. It closed out the game w/ either Woodfall Primus/ Grum Gully (or Metallic Mimic), or Kiki-Jiki/Lightning Crafter. A little sadly, I went with Prossh as the commander. I really needed a sac outlet in the command zone, and there was lots of "death" support (Mazirek and Judith, Scourge Diva). I also had a sub-theme for Legendary creatures w/ Reki and Time of Need. I recently took it apart. I just couldn't dial in the power level; some games turn 6 combo win, others I'd get stuck in the "clunky 4-drop mire" prevalent in a lot of tribal decks.

    • @zwolf4118
      @zwolf4118 2 года назад +1

      @@Customerbuilder my first generation I was using Sek'Kuar, Deathkeeper. Now I use Yurlok of Scorch Thrash and use the shamans as kill or destroy affects.

  • @michaeleaton3695
    @michaeleaton3695 2 года назад +1

    I love tribal, and not afraid to shoehorn a deck together. Example: I have a Bringers/Nephilim “tribal” and an Archon tribal decks.

  • @RedCometNurse
    @RedCometNurse 2 года назад

    Tribal is one of my favorite themes and subthemes. I would say 3/4 of my decks have tribal as a main or secondary theme. The decks synergize well.

  • @eduardlohmann5800
    @eduardlohmann5800 2 года назад +1

    Toluz, Clever conductor seems great for spellshappers

  • @davesgoldenduck6066
    @davesgoldenduck6066 2 года назад +5

    Humunculus needs to be a playable tribe

  • @cyrus1380
    @cyrus1380 9 месяцев назад

    Fingers crossed Satyrs get some more love soon. Glad to have Gallia but there are so few members of the tribe itself

  • @BlackWolfC091
    @BlackWolfC091 2 года назад

    I have a Taborax, Hope’s Demise Shadowborn Apostle deck that is easily my strongest deck because it hits insanely fast and Sanguine Bond is magical with Taborax when his Lifelink turns on

  • @F3V3RDR3AMS
    @F3V3RDR3AMS 2 года назад

    On the topic of spellshapers i’ve been thinking of doing a spellshaper deck with Rielle, the Everwise as the commander. Sort of helps to ease the drawback of discarding cards by giving you a discount on the first activation. Also could have subthemes like flashback to both help further mitigate the card disadvantage and buff rielle while those spells sit in your graveyard.

  • @vanessaeve925
    @vanessaeve925 2 года назад

    One of my first decks was mono-green Warrior tribal with Sosuke, Son of Seshiro. Eventually took it apart because it always felt clunky. But I feel like it's been long enough and more support has been released that it could be a viable deck, if I ever rebuild it.

  • @joshuaadams5511
    @joshuaadams5511 Год назад

    Always thought about building Spellshapers. This pushed me to finally do it. Until I get a legend I am heading it with Garth.

  • @andrewsparkes6275
    @andrewsparkes6275 2 года назад

    I play Hand To Hand in my Tahngarth deck (Tahngarth coincidentally showed up in the same Ghired precon as Marisi, btw), to allow me to give him to all players, even if they have a sac outlet in play - considering the amount of sac outlets in the game, it can really shut down my deck if I'm being too careful about I can give control of him to during combat! It helps that my Tahngarth has an enchantress subtheme (as there's lots of auras that give menace and other great keyword and P/T buffs to Tahngarth), so putting it out even when no-one has a sac outlet often draws me one or two cards anyway!

  • @dreddbolt
    @dreddbolt 2 года назад +1

    Dude.
    Specters, Skeletons, Shades, Horrors, and Nightmares.

  • @suckatslab
    @suckatslab 2 года назад

    “Whenever a gorgon you control would put a creature into a graveyard, instead put that creature under your control. It is a 0/1 stone creature that loses all abilities. “
    Idk. Something like that sounds good and fun.

  • @chaoshydras2056
    @chaoshydras2056 2 года назад

    Spiders for sure. We are so close to making that tribal viable.

  • @theymerLoviatar
    @theymerLoviatar 2 года назад

    I, like Dana, really wanted to build Gorgon tribal. My hopes were super high before AFR that we'd get some Gorgon support. Then the set dropped and it had zero Gorgons. Womp womp.

  • @D.K.M.Espers
    @D.K.M.Espers Год назад

    For me, it’d absolutely have to be Minotaurs. One of my absolute favorite mythological creatures (sort of in the same vein as Gorgons) from the Greek Mythos, and while there are a few cool commanders, I think there need to be more basic, go-in-the-99 Minotaur cards.

  • @willowdelosrios4326
    @willowdelosrios4326 2 года назад

    More fungus tribal would be great, and a leviathan/kraken tribal would be epic. Same with with Nightmare tribal (the only one I know of that interacts with Nightmares is Chainer)

  • @elladrinn4318
    @elladrinn4318 2 года назад

    for the clerics section, u could argue that the clerics support other builds such as Kaalia, of the Vast. i know that Kaalia runs 3 different creature types, but the whole point of clerics from my point of view is as a support sub-type for angels/demons/dragons/gods

  • @Wojtek36762
    @Wojtek36762 2 года назад

    I had an Orah, Skyclave Hierophant Cleric deck for a while, it was fine but ended up like a low power aristocrats deck. I might be able to build it better now. Currently, my tribal decks are Scarab God Zombies and Millicent Spirits. My newest deck is Mari, the Killing Quill for rogue/assassin/mercenary tribal, I like the choice to use all of those to minimize the limitation of being mono black.

  • @joehenderson1
    @joehenderson1 2 года назад

    Rebels tribal- one of my favorites!

  • @sam7559
    @sam7559 23 дня назад

    I know I am possibly the only person that gets excited when a new advisor gets printed

  • @shinsekaisamurai
    @shinsekaisamurai 2 года назад

    I have a fun demon deck. Tevesh Szat is the commander. I have managed to with with Liliana's Contract with it.

  • @psychozen7169
    @psychozen7169 2 года назад

    You all forget the mechanic and archeologist tribes we only have a splash of them. One not enough to even fix vehicles the other not enough to dig a hole.

  • @la8282
    @la8282 2 года назад

    Crackdown is fun in inniaz because I can pass it around the table in the effect still works

  • @MTGJosh
    @MTGJosh 2 года назад

    It hurts me to laugh at the opening jokes but here I am, still watching 😁

  • @Saetanigera
    @Saetanigera 2 года назад

    gorgon tribal: if a creature dealt damage by a gorgon you control dies gain control of it. It losses all abilities and becomes a treasure.
    specter tribal: when a player discards a creature card a random opponent of that player puts that creature into play
    druid tribal: druids, mystics, and spellshapers gain haste and tap: target creature gains +x/+x where x is the number of creatures you control