@@Snowy_Yuki666 Land Tax doesn't do anything by itself to get the mana onto the board at a rate of more than 1 per turn. That's why it's never included in Ramp mentions. It's.... fixing, I guess.
I really like the dark story on Trynn and Silvar. Trynn offers freedom and salvation to prisoners and slaves, breaking them out of the city only to lead them to Silvar’s waiting jaws. It’s an interesting result of a mono-white human bonding with a rakdos Nightmare. Definitely my favourite concept of C20 legendaries.
30:20 Also, luckly Jirina etb works anyway with other commanders so switching her with Trynn and Silvar might be perfect. Casting her late in the game after multiple casts of the 2 commanders might generates tons of humans
Still pathetic. In most games...casting 3-4 times are the threshold for a regular commander. (Yuriko and some others might not follow this). 4 mana late game 3-4 human tokens impact nothing. Jirina is bad. Syr Gwyn level of bad.
@@novrdd I think everyone has your same opionion, that is why I'm saying Trynn and Silvan are better commander and Jirina is better inside the deck as a normal creature for the late game 😅
Just going to point out that by the time you casting Jirina for 4+ times more than likely, you are losing and those 4+ 1/1 will not help. The best part of it is the +2/0.
Clarification on Titan Hunter though, it says "if no creature died this turn", it doesn't have to be your own creatures. So if you kill someone else's creature during your turn, you don't take damage from it.
@@mistahflav5209 It really isn't that good. A five mana under vanilla test creature doing four very theoretical damage per turn isn't that good, especially when it encourages your opponents to destroy your creatures(as the token deck). It doesn't have any protection, evasion, or real support for the theme (either going face or aristocrat) and it's utility as a sac engine is quite bad at two mana a pop just for life gain. She only ever punishes (and modestly at that) without advancing your position or gaining card advantage. I can't really imagine a deck or an archetype where she would shine, but on the contrary the floor of her power is really low. It's honestly one of the weakest cards in the deck. Gary costs five mana. Archfiend of Depravity is five cmc too and gets way more creatures killed. Kokusho is one more. Any aristocrat drainer does more damage for 2-4 mana. Priest of forgotten gods does everything she does and more for 2 cmc.
One day we will tell the children of the days when Magic was played on kitchen tables with friends. They will marvel, through their masks, at such a thing.
@@MarvelOfRain i could also take the decklist and lookup all the values myself and I'm not saying it doesnt make sense the way they did. I'm suggesting presenting it in this alternative way, there's no need for any action from the audience. Which I think would be an improved experience. But you're right, not too hard to do.
Just picked up this deck this weekend and played it twice stock. I really love this deck. I changed out a few cards but I'm definitely going to use your suggested upgrades. Thanks for the tips. 👍
I think mentor of the meek wasn’t included because of the box commander’s ability that gives all humans +2/+0 so it would not trigger off the decks theme creatures
Hey guys, look forward to these videos every year - thanks for the great content; however, slight oversight - this deck can run Alesha as the commander (that is how I'm building it). Keep up the great work guys!
Same, basilisk collar has been one of my favorite cards for a long time.. and look here's the perfect commander! Building 'deathtouch tribal' as we speak .
Yep. I have mono red pingers with Kumano, and being able to add black and white for more death touch and hatebear effects makes this way more interesting.
Btw with Jirina Kudro as the commander, Pitiless Plunderer, and Ashnod's altar she goes infinite commander casts after casting her for the second time. With that combo she might be a competitive combo commander.
I'm actually going to be building a Saskia human tribal deck, using a lot of the cards from this precon as its core. Adding some green ramp to get more humans onto the field sooner with the accelerated mana sounds pretty good.
She is legal to pilot the deck, but wasn't listed as a commander, probably because: 1. she's not one of the new ones; 2. like Kelsien, Alesha requires a deck built around her. Her main focus is ETB/death trigger synergies, and her decks are more geared towards combo than aggro because the creatures are so weak.
Hi guys, I would never remove crakling doom to keep the impetus enchantment in... 3 mana for 2x3 damage (assuming you have 3 oppos) and making them sack a creature? Werent't you the value supalovers?!? What do you expect more from a 3 mana instant? I don't know how many targeted exile there are in there, but I often use the crackD to remove indestructructible\hexproof stuff, maybe removing something smaller/easier to remove before... here, you are the tokens deck, maybe others aren't running a bunch of creatures... unless you throw in a Dictate of Erebos\Butcher of Malakir, I think it's pretty solid.
Searched the comments for this. Crackling Doom is so good. 3 for 1, instant speed removal for 3 mana, and gets around hexproof/shroud and indestructible, almost always their biggest creature is the one you'd want them to sac. Its so useful.
It's an edict, but the general consensus seems to be that edicts aren't usually very good because so often somebody might have a 1/1 just from something else, or maybe a utility creature that isn't doing anything for them anymore. Anytime somebody makes their own decision, it's not amazing unless you can repeat it. For example. Butcher of Malakir. Not in this deck, but you can repeat it. Meh, I'm going to use this as my deck from this year and I'll definitely end up taking it out, but I will take note of how many times it would be good.
What I love about Commander is that Sanctuary Blade is one of Commander's Quarters favorite cards, but Command Zone doesn't like it at all. We all see different things when looking at the game and what it means to us.
Same, I love the card, it is creative design wise and having protection from a color can be powerful, but I can see the point that a "Sword of X and Y" is gonna be a better option
I've personally found crackling doom to be an over performing card whenever i've played it in my mardu decks so i'll be keeping it in when i build Kelsien, otherwise great vid yet again guys
The reason mentor probs isnt in precon is beacuse face commander makes all your humans etb as 3 power creatures minimum, so it would be pretty feelsbad for a player (especially a new one) to punish themselves by playing their commander.
Another likely reason is there’s some regret about Mentor of the Meek because the council of colors feels it’s a bend/break for white, and in general WotC doesn’t much like reprinting things that’re out of pie (being much more likely to colorshift it to the right color(s) similar to Generous Gift in MH1 being Beast Within but white)
But...actually not? If I'm not mistaken, and quoting the Gatherer: "Mentor of the Meek’s ability checks the power of the other creature only as it enters the battlefield. If that creature’s power is 2 or less, the ability will trigger. Once the ability triggers, raising that creature’s power above 2 won’t affect that ability. ". So tokens enter the battlefield as 1/1, therefore triggering the ability. The buff they getting afterward doesn't matter, at least I think so. c:
Reathara Nope! That text is referring to things that *respond* to the Mentor trigger (a pump spell, another ETB, etc) to raise the power. Because your Commander says that they just always have +2/+0, they enter the battlefield as 3/1s. Similarly, this can be used to push a creature’s toughness big enough for certain effects, such as if I control Immortal Sun and Kiora from WAR, and cast a 3-power creature. Immortal Sun would mean it enters as a 4-power creature, which then triggers Kiora to draw a card
Completely agree. That's why I was thinking of play Alesha as commander. You can bring back 2-power creatures to feed Mentor, Reverent Hoplite, Thalia Lieutenant,... Alesha can be a great Human Mardu Commander too, right?
Josh and jimmy hate my pet card? Humble defector is know as the village bicycle in my playgroup :D he gets passed around everywhere. There are many ways to make it more useful for you and less for your opponents too. You can pass it to the weakest player at the table (with a deal) that they have to pass it back. You can also use it and sac it in response (then recur it with Alesha). My favorite use for it is to use it with Samut. Activate it, then activate samut to untap it and activate it again. 2 mana draw 4. It’s the perfect card to balance out the table. Just don’t give it to the strongest person, and he has to deal with 3 other players each drawing +2 cards a turn.
Angel of Glory's Rise + Fiend Hunter = sweet continuous reanimation engine for human tribal, plus an infinite sac outlet for both Ashnod's Altar and Silvar. :) In fact, I'm surprised you didn't mention Fiend Hunter in the in-cards: with Silvar and other sac outlets, it can be used to exile creatures permanently.
Holy crap you guys, that singing in the beginning was awesome. I don't know the song, but man that was great! Edit: If I was going to build around Jirina, I'd probably run a lot of flicker effects, maybe even cutting down the human synergies for them. Jirina makes the tokens when she enters the battlefield, so flickering her will continue to make tokens, so repeatable flicker effects like Angel of Condemnation and Conjurer's Closet or even instants like Ephemerate can just make you get a lot of dudes real fast, and 3/1s are very impactful. You also get to run utility like Mangara, Ravenous Chupacabra, Flame Tongue Kavu, and Yarok's Fenlurker. Since you're probably cutting a lot of the humans to slot in the flicker targets, you could also run Conspiracy (which just had a fancy reprint) to turn all those utility dudes into buff Bois thanks to Jirina, and that can even provide a combo with Xathrid Necromancer and a sac outlet, since the zombies it creates would also be humans.
I think I would run Jirina as commander because I like the Ashnod's Altar - Nim Deathmantle combo. as long as you cast her for the second time or bounce her with a card like Ephemerate, you can go infinite with soldier tokens. 2 other cards( witch could also be our commander but I'll put them in the 99.) would be Ravos, Soultender and Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder. The last cards I would add would be Archetype of Courage, Queen Marchessa and Iroas, God of Victory. Other cards to consider would be Spear of Heliod, and Haktos the Unscarred. Not budget I know, but great cards to add I think.
Fireflux Squad might as well be called "Belmont Squad"; I can almost squint my eyes at the art and see, from left to right, Sypha, Trevor and Alucard. :D **Bloody Tears starts to play in the background**
I guess since Jirina is ETB, you could go the flicker route too ? Cast her once or twice, the blink for 1 or 2 tokens each blink ? Humans are also known for nice efficient ETB's so...
I think the best card is 100% the white card that says "it you control your commander you can cast this for free" that card just fits into so many decks and works so well in the agro aspect of this deck. Deffinatly cant wait to pick this up!
I feel like Jirina is more of an aristocrats commander. I think the additional body on etb is just great and allows for infinite mana, token, etbs, and death triggers if you have pitiless plunderer and ashnod's altar out, given either that jirina has been cast once already this game or you have another creature to sacrifice
So i agree with taking out Humble defector if you go with the main commander or the partners, but with Kelsien out you can tap the humble defector to draw two cards, give it to an opponent,and then just kill it with Kelsien and get the experiance counter. That could be real fun. But yeah only keep it in if you run Kelsien as the commander.
A similar arguement for the Titan of Eternal fire. I still agree that cards kind of bad, but its better i think when you have a Kelsien who can finish them off and wants to.
Giving Kelsien Deathtouch is very easy in Black, increasing his ping damage in Boros colors is pretty easy, and using flicker/blink effects or Thornbite Staff to untap and kill more racks up EXP counters. I'd play both Daxos and Kalemne for EXP payoffs. After Kelsien clears the board, Kalemne can one shot someone or Daxos can make gigantic tokens to pummel multiple people.
I believe you misread the commander, Jirina. As her ability triggers on etb, not on cast, you get x 1/1 tokens for the number of times the commander was cast this game, not necessarily herself. And Prosh only triggers on his own casting, though he does trigger even if countered.
Coat of Arms, Door of Destinies, Vanquisher's Banner, and Icon of Ancestry work well in Mardu Humans too. They all provide anthem effects and in the case of Banner and Icon, some card advantage.
The other reason the partners are just objectively better is with the face commander it says "for each time you've cast a commander from the command zone" meaning it counts each cast of each commander
If you are playing brawl you would necessarily want to follow the 10 draw 10 ramp etc outline bc you start at 25 life and the match will 1 v 1 more often than not making it essentially singleton standard with a card youll always have access to
I think the idea behind Humble Defector is that you can sacrifice it while its ability is on the stack before an opponent gains control of it and still draw two cards. I do a similar thing with Wishclaw Talisman & Costly Plunder. LMK if this isn't how the interaction works.
I think it has to do with the fact that one card removed from the deck is the other half of the commander partners. Normally it be 99 cars but because you're using the partner pair it's only 98. So they did take 10 out it's just one of them was the other partner.
@@KelrictheMinion This doesn't add up. If you count the other partner as the tenth remove, after adding all the upgrades you end up with a 99 deck and 2 generals. That's 101 cards! :O
51:33 You guys probably misunderstood how this card works(or I did, idk xD). It applies Man-ah-che for your creatures too, since *you* attacking your opponents also satisfies her conditions. It's a bit strange to misunderstand, since its wording is similar to Edric, Spymaster of Trest's effect.
I literally name every Human Tribal deck I build some sort of The Killers lyric or song title. Great choice. This is my first time watching your podcasts during a release season. They have been great. I’m going to buy this deck and use your advice! Keep up the good work.
"I don't know why Silvar and Trynn are partners" well you see "frees" people from the city so the other can "free" them from their life... I still am not comfortable with it to be honest
I think the idea is that the human made a pact to gain power with the monster, and in return they must feed it sacrifices, lest it feast on them instead.
I didn't connect they we're partners lorewise at all when I read the cards, more like connected by fate or circumstances! Quite the contrast compared to older partner cards these two.
Excellent point, but even if you would like to combo, Jirina triggers of the number of time you've cast a commander (not necessarily herself). Having partner commander in the command zone increase her trigger easily and makes the combo potential less obvious as you need to draw or tutor for her. I wasn't a fan of this precon, but it's warming up to me now.
@@clanechelon oven if you just cast her the first time, you can have infinite death triggers as she will always enter with 1 other creature. You sack both to altar and pay 4 to bring her back. If you have any sort of aristocrats creature on the field you can kill everyone. Also with the addition of anointed procession, she can enter with 2 tokens and ergo go infinite on the board. This combo is very easily done with black tutors, stoneforge mystic, steel shapers gift, enlightened tutor, and a bunch of other search effects making it reliable. Casting her once (when you're set up) should win you the game on the spot. Casting her a second time is even more potent.
@@parkercole6389 Yeah for sure, your plan is just really obvious if you use her as the commander. Gotta hope she doesn't get countered. I guess I'm just not a huge fan of combo-y commander in the command zone or at least those too obvious. Makes the threat assessment of your opponent really easy. The partner commander just opens up more option and Jirina in the 99 isn't a problem imo. I guess it depends on your playgroup. I play really casual with my friends but if I get a combo win one time, they will be ptsd and keep counter spell in their hand forever if I play the deck again xD
@@clanechelon I mean I guess it's all up to personal preference. I would prefer to have a streamlined consistent combo (even if it's obvious. Just have cards to help with counters like the new red card, phyroblast, mana tithe, rebuff the wicked ect ect) than a surprise commander. I'm not saying the partners are bad, but to me they just sent fast enough.
Gleam of Battle; Odric, Master Tactician; Embereth Skyblazer; Oketra's Monument; Mace of the Valient. And I wouldn't take out the Warmonger, unless you were putting in Iroas. It still gives "your" team Menace.
here's something I don't think I heard you guys discuss: Jirina is great with flicker effects!! Since the tokens she creates are ETB (as opposed to Prossh), you can cloudshift/eerie interlude/reanimate or what have you for the tokens!
For me, I think I would run Jirina Kudro. I would add flicker effects like Conjurer's Closet to blink the commander. The token making effect isn't a cast trigger it is an enter the battlefield trigger. I personally like her better than the partners because of the +2/+0 that it gives all your humans. I think that allows you to be very aggressive with the tokens. Honorable mention if you wanted a more expensive card would be anointed procession. I think you could even still do the aristocrat style with jirina although you don't have a sac outlet on your commander.
Brutal Hordechief is a decent Mardu card for token swarm strats. It's a 3/3 for 3B and each creature drains your opponent when you attack. BUT! You can pay 3[W/R][W/R] to control blocks for the turn, a power play is just having your opponent use everything to block a 1/1 and let everything else through
I’m planning on playing Jirina Kudro (mostly because I don’t have a go wide deck yet and I think it would be fun to have one). I still like a lot of your additions, but with Jirina at the helm these are some cards I’d add: 1. Coat of Arms 2. Secure the Wastes 3. Lightning Greaves 4. Herald’s Horn 5. Obelisk of Urd
Here are 4 cards that I think would work well for a more aggressive strategy. 1. Archetype of Aggression 2. Rowdy Crew 3. Berserkers’ Onslaught 4. Anger (not a human but haste is amazing in this deck)
Just want to clarify: At 52:40 about, you DO NOT have to equip it to something else. You can choose to target the already equipped creature and choose a new color. The only ones you would have to move around are the equipment that give shroud.
I would add Jirina in the 99 in an human matter deck or in an Saskia deck. By adding green and double token generator to go wider. You could add some etb utility so either blink it or double the trigger for value and of course adding more payoffs.
Verge Rangers is 100% going into my Elsha of the Infinite deck (my first ever Commander deck, built off of Josh's advice!), as it covers one of her weaknesses. So good. I am totally going to run Vrynn and Silvar with this deck. So much fun. And I don't normally like Aristocrat tactics, but this one has my mind changed.
I'm stoked you guys decided to go with Trynn and Silvar and lean into the aristocrats strategy. That's definitely what I plan on doing. I like the idea of human tribal, with some token aggro that gets value from aristocrats style cards. It obviously b lows the budget, but Anointed Procession feels like a must include in this deck and I wish they would have reprinted it here as it is up to 15 bucks or so. With Trynn and Silvar out you could sac a human token to Silvar each combat and then gain two to net one with Anointed Procession.
I am thinking of switching the Kelsien with Teysa Karlov for a Aristocrat aproach with the deck . I am pending between this deck and the Symbiotic Swamp deck or even buying both, because i like Orzhov and they both have some orzhov engines. Looking forward to that upgrade guide fot the Symbiotic Swamp deck. And great Nail Polish Jimmy i like it
Was surprised you didn't mention Anointed Procession, since a token doubler would give you a lot of more things to sac and swing with. At least I was surprised at first, because then I remembered it's like a $15 card and this is a budget upgrade video.
Cards I'd be excited about adding that you haven't added: goblin bombardment luminious broodmoth edict enchantments like martyr's bond, grave pact, and dictate of erebos patriarch's bidding I also have some interest in harvester of souls. Note: my playgroup runs an escalation league with the precons where we use a commander vs points model to determine a season winner and we add ~25-50 each week. In that environment I would never take out crackling doom against 2-3 huge creature/voltron decks.
If I was gonna play the face card I'd definitely add Iroas into the deck. He's just good value, menace and no combat damage changes the game super quickly
Bonder's Ornament should have been 4,T: Draw a card. The cost to activate this ability is reduced by 1 for each opponent that controls a card named Bonder's Ornament or something similar, then it would have been meh rather than bleh
For Jirina as the CMDR, I think you can really make a fun token spam deck around her if you make it based on blinking her and other good ETB cards. Because it's when she enters the battlefield she gets her effect, you could run blink cards to blink her and make tokens. And also run other cards that help tokens or make tokens when they enter the battlefield. Only problem is you cant run cards that blink everything or else your tokens will die
@@qwormuli77 She wants to make sure that the city remains as strong as possible, which means culling the weak. Trynn convinces her targets to go outside the city , and then leads them to Silvar's den. She genuinely believes that she is doing this for the best for the city
Jurina with blink is pretty good, since she's prone to removal since she's an anthem and once you cast her the second time from the command zone each blink makes 2 tokens each being a 3/1 and later on you should have more mana to use those blink effects to protect her more since she is an anthem
If you look at the face Commander for the deck, that's probably why mentor of the meek was not in pre-con. Face commander makes all humans at least power 3 not being able to trigger mentor of the meek
when you guys talk about frontier warmonger, it sounds (to me atleast) as if you're assuming that it only gives menace to opponents creatures. my understanding of the card is that it gives menace to your creatures as well (because it only asks for creatures attacking your opponents, theres no restriction on who has to be the owner of the attacking creatures), so....a 4 mana 4/4 which gives menace to all my stuff doesnt seem too bad imo, especially since we're gonna be attacking with a lot of (albeit small) stuff, which means there is a pretty big chance of more face damage than usual
You're right, it's great. They also glossed over that because it protects the opponents' creatures on attack, they are going to be much more aggressive, aiding your game plan. What's more interesting is, that they advertised Titan Hunter of all things, probably the worst card of the deck.
Teysa seems like a pretty good include. The lifelink from tokens and the aristocrat subtheme additional effects work very well with the partner commanders.
I think I still got a Teysa Karlov I drew from Ravnica Allegiance somewhere… A human doubling death triggers and benefits tokens a bit for a kind of human tribal aristocrats deck with some tokens included, I think thats Beautiful.
Queen marchesa is suprisingly affordable now that collector boosters are out. Honestly you should run it just cuz it's a powerful human that is also mardu
That “Human” rendition actually sounded amazing
Among my favorite of their opening!
They are very experienced in the way of awkward song intros
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Yeah they were on POINT with the song this time.
i know right, i hoped that would be the song they'd do this time and i wound up slow-clapping at my computer desk like an idiot
Jimmy on knight of the white orchid: "it's the closest that White's going to get to ramp"
Smothering Tithe: "Am I a joke to you?"
Tithe ain't budget. I should know, I run it in K&T. Everyone draws 80 and pays 160 or I get 80 treasure per person. There's a reason it's expensive.
I'm guessing the card isn't shown due to budget restrictions. The card is very strong though and I do think it's worth the cost in a budget upgrade.
Land Tax XD
@@Snowy_Yuki666 Land Tax doesn't do anything by itself to get the mana onto the board at a rate of more than 1 per turn. That's why it's never included in Ramp mentions. It's.... fixing, I guess.
Smothering Tithe isnt hard to get if you crack Ravnica Allegiance Booster Box, I got like 3 of them when I was cracking mine
I really like the dark story on Trynn and Silvar. Trynn offers freedom and salvation to prisoners and slaves, breaking them out of the city only to lead them to Silvar’s waiting jaws. It’s an interesting result of a mono-white human bonding with a rakdos Nightmare. Definitely my favourite concept of C20 legendaries.
Where did you find this? The ebook?
30:20 Also, luckly Jirina etb works anyway with other commanders so switching her with Trynn and Silvar might be perfect. Casting her late in the game after multiple casts of the 2 commanders might generates tons of humans
Wow ya that's a great synergy
Still pathetic. In most games...casting 3-4 times are the threshold for a regular commander. (Yuriko and some others might not follow this). 4 mana late game 3-4 human tokens impact nothing. Jirina is bad. Syr Gwyn level of bad.
@@novrdd I think everyone has your same opionion, that is why I'm saying Trynn and Silvan are better commander and Jirina is better inside the deck as a normal creature for the late game 😅
Just going to point out that by the time you casting Jirina for 4+ times more than likely, you are losing and those 4+ 1/1 will not help. The best part of it is the +2/0.
@@rime3589 four 3/1s are 12 power.
Clarification on Titan Hunter though, it says "if no creature died this turn", it doesn't have to be your own creatures. So if you kill someone else's creature during your turn, you don't take damage from it.
This ^^. Although I don't think it makes Titan Hunter a bad card, I think this distinction might keep it from being on the best cards list.
You get a political tool with it too.
@@mistahflav5209 It really isn't that good. A five mana under vanilla test creature doing four very theoretical damage per turn isn't that good, especially when it encourages your opponents to destroy your creatures(as the token deck). It doesn't have any protection, evasion, or real support for the theme (either going face or aristocrat) and it's utility as a sac engine is quite bad at two mana a pop just for life gain. She only ever punishes (and modestly at that) without advancing your position or gaining card advantage.
I can't really imagine a deck or an archetype where she would shine, but on the contrary the floor of her power is really low. It's honestly one of the weakest cards in the deck.
Gary costs five mana. Archfiend of Depravity is five cmc too and gets way more creatures killed. Kokusho is one more. Any aristocrat drainer does more damage for 2-4 mana. Priest of forgotten gods does everything she does and more for 2 cmc.
"so you can take it to your LGS"
Oh you sweet, innocent children.
Ah. The innocent past.
U can take it to the LGS, u just wont get past the door
The before times....
One day we will tell the children of the days when Magic was played on kitchen tables with friends. They will marvel, through their masks, at such a thing.
Hell, my LGS is doing drive-in service
Props to Dragonfly Games! Supplying cardboard crack when it's needed most 😁
5:05 topic start
Ty!
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@@ThelifeofRiley1 some hero's wear capes.... Others send time stapes.
Not gonna lie, I've been binge watching game knights during this stay at home protocol
CHEFPK sounds fun. Maybe I’ll do it.
The chef plays Magic too!!! Foodie Friday Tomorrow!
@@josemaravilla6955 oh yes! I miss going to my local game shops for pick up games :(
Same !
I didn't know you played Magic too ChefPK. I love your Foodie Fridays and your Food Wars reaction series
Josh: There’s no way to remove experience counters
Me: *SUNCLEANSER*
I was thinking the same thing.
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Suggestion: when doing the value break down, it's probably clearer to do cards $2-5 and card $5+
Math
I hope they’ll do that next year, but these are likely already recorded
@@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ Yup. Figured it might be easier than explaining it everytime they bring it up.
You can just subtract it with a calculator on your phone. It makes more sense the way they did it.
@@MarvelOfRain i could also take the decklist and lookup all the values myself and I'm not saying it doesnt make sense the way they did. I'm suggesting presenting it in this alternative way, there's no need for any action from the audience. Which I think would be an improved experience. But you're right, not too hard to do.
Just picked up this deck this weekend and played it twice stock. I really love this deck. I changed out a few cards but I'm definitely going to use your suggested upgrades. Thanks for the tips. 👍
So excited for this deck tech. I’m most excited about this one, Temur, and Sultai! Thanks for the great videos, keep up the awesome work!
I think mentor of the meek wasn’t included because of the box commander’s ability that gives all humans +2/+0 so it would not trigger off the decks theme creatures
Hey guys, look forward to these videos every year - thanks for the great content; however, slight oversight - this deck can run Alesha as the commander (that is how I'm building it). Keep up the great work guys!
Kelsien is my favourite commander from this set. He's every RPG character I've ever made and I absolutely want to build a deck around him :D
Same dude! I am so stoked to build him! Share a decklist when you get it! I am working on mine :)
Same, basilisk collar has been one of my favorite cards for a long time.. and look here's the perfect commander! Building 'deathtouch tribal' as we speak .
Ah, the stealth archer. A man of good taste.
Yep. I have mono red pingers with Kumano, and being able to add black and white for more death touch and hatebear effects makes this way more interesting.
Btw with Jirina Kudro as the commander, Pitiless Plunderer, and Ashnod's altar she goes infinite commander casts after casting her for the second time. With that combo she might be a competitive combo commander.
I'm actually going to be building a Saskia human tribal deck, using a lot of the cards from this precon as its core. Adding some green ramp to get more humans onto the field sooner with the accelerated mana sounds pretty good.
Isn’t Alesha legal as a commander in that deck?
I also came here to say this.
Yes
Our girl Alesha gettin no love.
She is legal to pilot the deck, but wasn't listed as a commander, probably because:
1. she's not one of the new ones;
2. like Kelsien, Alesha requires a deck built around her. Her main focus is ETB/death trigger synergies, and her decks are more geared towards combo than aggro because the creatures are so weak.
A dedicated Alesha deck wouldn't be human tribal and would wipe the floor with the best version of this.
Hi guys, I would never remove crakling doom to keep the impetus enchantment in... 3 mana for 2x3 damage (assuming you have 3 oppos) and making them sack a creature? Werent't you the value supalovers?!? What do you expect more from a 3 mana instant?
I don't know how many targeted exile there are in there, but I often use the crackD to remove indestructructible\hexproof stuff, maybe removing something smaller/easier to remove before... here, you are the tokens deck, maybe others aren't running a bunch of creatures... unless you throw in a Dictate of Erebos\Butcher of Malakir, I think it's pretty solid.
Searched the comments for this. Crackling Doom is so good. 3 for 1, instant speed removal for 3 mana, and gets around hexproof/shroud and indestructible, almost always their biggest creature is the one you'd want them to sac. Its so useful.
I have been crushed by crackling doom...
It's an edict, but the general consensus seems to be that edicts aren't usually very good because so often somebody might have a 1/1 just from something else, or maybe a utility creature that isn't doing anything for them anymore. Anytime somebody makes their own decision, it's not amazing unless you can repeat it. For example. Butcher of Malakir. Not in this deck, but you can repeat it. Meh, I'm going to use this as my deck from this year and I'll definitely end up taking it out, but I will take note of how many times it would be good.
What I love about Commander is that Sanctuary Blade is one of Commander's Quarters favorite cards, but Command Zone doesn't like it at all. We all see different things when looking at the game and what it means to us.
Same, I love the card, it is creative design wise and having protection from a color can be powerful, but I can see the point that a "Sword of X and Y" is gonna be a better option
@@paulferras9160 Yeah, definitely. I also think Commander's Quarters likes it because it is budget and that is what the channel is geared toward.
36:30 Kathleen, I feel your pain.
Also, brilliant way to bring her on the show!! Lmao
Kelsien seems incredible with Forbidden Orchard
Had not thought of that......... you just game me an idea
I've personally found crackling doom to be an over performing card whenever i've played it in my mardu decks so i'll be keeping it in when i build Kelsien, otherwise great vid yet again guys
“Aristorat theme”
it's the Aristocats sequel
Editor must be furious....
Beat me to it lol
Bernardo Curvello the funny thing is that they have like four different editors, im surprised they didn’t catch that.
Ey everyone's human.
Sometimes you look at a decklist, see half the cards, and assume the rest are relentless rats
The reason mentor probs isnt in precon is beacuse face commander makes all your humans etb as 3 power creatures minimum, so it would be pretty feelsbad for a player (especially a new one) to punish themselves by playing their commander.
Another likely reason is there’s some regret about Mentor of the Meek because the council of colors feels it’s a bend/break for white, and in general WotC doesn’t much like reprinting things that’re out of pie (being much more likely to colorshift it to the right color(s) similar to Generous Gift in MH1 being Beast Within but white)
But...actually not? If I'm not mistaken, and quoting the Gatherer: "Mentor of the Meek’s ability checks the power of the other creature only as it enters the battlefield. If that creature’s power is 2 or less, the ability will trigger. Once the ability triggers, raising that creature’s power above 2 won’t affect that ability. ". So tokens enter the battlefield as 1/1, therefore triggering the ability. The buff they getting afterward doesn't matter, at least I think so. c:
Reathara Nope! That text is referring to things that *respond* to the Mentor trigger (a pump spell, another ETB, etc) to raise the power. Because your Commander says that they just always have +2/+0, they enter the battlefield as 3/1s. Similarly, this can be used to push a creature’s toughness big enough for certain effects, such as if I control Immortal Sun and Kiora from WAR, and cast a 3-power creature. Immortal Sun would mean it enters as a 4-power creature, which then triggers Kiora to draw a card
@@tlblitz42 Oh, thanks for explanation! :) But in this case it's quite sad. Oh well, maybe those partners are indeed better choice...
Completely agree. That's why I was thinking of play Alesha as commander. You can bring back 2-power creatures to feed Mentor, Reverent Hoplite, Thalia Lieutenant,... Alesha can be a great Human Mardu Commander too, right?
Josh and jimmy hate my pet card? Humble defector is know as the village bicycle in my playgroup :D he gets passed around everywhere. There are many ways to make it more useful for you and less for your opponents too. You can pass it to the weakest player at the table (with a deal) that they have to pass it back. You can also use it and sac it in response (then recur it with Alesha).
My favorite use for it is to use it with Samut. Activate it, then activate samut to untap it and activate it again. 2 mana draw 4.
It’s the perfect card to balance out the table. Just don’t give it to the strongest person, and he has to deal with 3 other players each drawing +2 cards a turn.
Angel of Glory's Rise + Fiend Hunter = sweet continuous reanimation engine for human tribal, plus an infinite sac outlet for both Ashnod's Altar and Silvar. :)
In fact, I'm surprised you didn't mention Fiend Hunter in the in-cards: with Silvar and other sac outlets, it can be used to exile creatures permanently.
Holy crap you guys, that singing in the beginning was awesome. I don't know the song, but man that was great!
Edit: If I was going to build around Jirina, I'd probably run a lot of flicker effects, maybe even cutting down the human synergies for them. Jirina makes the tokens when she enters the battlefield, so flickering her will continue to make tokens, so repeatable flicker effects like Angel of Condemnation and Conjurer's Closet or even instants like Ephemerate can just make you get a lot of dudes real fast, and 3/1s are very impactful. You also get to run utility like Mangara, Ravenous Chupacabra, Flame Tongue Kavu, and Yarok's Fenlurker. Since you're probably cutting a lot of the humans to slot in the flicker targets, you could also run Conspiracy (which just had a fancy reprint) to turn all those utility dudes into buff Bois thanks to Jirina, and that can even provide a combo with Xathrid Necromancer and a sac outlet, since the zombies it creates would also be humans.
Its 'Human' by The Killers
I think I would run Jirina as commander because I like the Ashnod's Altar - Nim Deathmantle combo. as long as you cast her for the second time or bounce her with a card like Ephemerate, you can go infinite with soldier tokens. 2 other cards( witch could also be our commander but I'll put them in the 99.) would be Ravos, Soultender and Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder. The last cards I would add would be Archetype of Courage, Queen Marchessa and Iroas, God of Victory. Other cards to consider would be Spear of Heliod, and Haktos the Unscarred. Not budget I know, but great cards to add I think.
You guys harmonized phenomenally in that intro!
I want to see this Aristorat Deck that you teased at 23:23. Great video as always! ;)
Fireflux Squad might as well be called "Belmont Squad"; I can almost squint my eyes at the art and see, from left to right, Sypha, Trevor and Alucard. :D
**Bloody Tears starts to play in the background**
I guess since Jirina is ETB, you could go the flicker route too ? Cast her once or twice, the blink for 1 or 2 tokens each blink ? Humans are also known for nice efficient ETB's so...
23:14 "Aristorat" heh, should definitely be a card in the next un-set.
I think the best card is 100% the white card that says "it you control your commander you can cast this for free" that card just fits into so many decks and works so well in the agro aspect of this deck. Deffinatly cant wait to pick this up!
I feel like Jirina is more of an aristocrats commander. I think the additional body on etb is just great and allows for infinite mana, token, etbs, and death triggers if you have pitiless plunderer and ashnod's altar out, given either that jirina has been cast once already this game or you have another creature to sacrifice
You can remove experience counters with suncleanser
Puresteel Paladin A lot of people forget he exists
And that one war of the spark card
@@travisbrandt8663 how does puresteel paladin interact with experience counters??
SmilodeX MTG suncleanser. . . . From Core 19.
SmilodeX MTG the dude’s name is Puresteel Paladin.
So i agree with taking out Humble defector if you go with the main commander or the partners, but with Kelsien out you can tap the humble defector to draw two cards, give it to an opponent,and then just kill it with Kelsien and get the experiance counter. That could be real fun.
But yeah only keep it in if you run Kelsien as the commander.
A similar arguement for the Titan of Eternal fire. I still agree that cards kind of bad, but its better i think when you have a Kelsien who can finish them off and wants to.
The content you guys do is so awesome. I couldn't even find the spoiler video of this deck. Thanks for doing this
Giving Kelsien Deathtouch is very easy in Black, increasing his ping damage in Boros colors is pretty easy, and using flicker/blink effects or Thornbite Staff to untap and kill more racks up EXP counters.
I'd play both Daxos and Kalemne for EXP payoffs. After Kelsien clears the board, Kalemne can one shot someone or Daxos can make gigantic tokens to pummel multiple people.
That song... was actually super great, like applauds for real.
Definitely picking this deck up! It’s my favourite looking out of the 5
I believe you misread the commander, Jirina. As her ability triggers on etb, not on cast, you get x 1/1 tokens for the number of times the commander was cast this game, not necessarily herself. And Prosh only triggers on his own casting, though he does trigger even if countered.
Coat of Arms, Door of Destinies, Vanquisher's Banner, and Icon of Ancestry work well in Mardu Humans too. They all provide anthem effects and in the case of Banner and Icon, some card advantage.
taking out crackling doom is questionable imo
The other reason the partners are just objectively better is with the face commander it says "for each time you've cast a commander from the command zone" meaning it counts each cast of each commander
I would love to be on that set lol, such a great atmosphere
If you are playing brawl you would necessarily want to follow the 10 draw 10 ramp etc outline bc you start at 25 life and the match will 1 v 1 more often than not making it essentially singleton standard with a card youll always have access to
I think the idea behind Humble Defector is that you can sacrifice it while its ability is on the stack before an opponent gains control of it and still draw two cards. I do a similar thing with Wishclaw Talisman & Costly Plunder. LMK if this isn't how the interaction works.
General kudro of drannith, imposing sovereign, elspeth sun’s nemesis, hanweir militia captain, Mythos of Snapdax, Temple of Malice, Temple of Silence
wait... did they only remove 9 cards? am I missing something?
And they added 11 as well
They didn't add 11 they gave an option between 2 cards for a combat trick. I only counted 9 removes as well though.
I think it has to do with the fact that one card removed from the deck is the other half of the commander partners. Normally it be 99 cars but because you're using the partner pair it's only 98. So they did take 10 out it's just one of them was the other partner.
I think they where in a budget too
@@KelrictheMinion This doesn't add up. If you count the other partner as the tenth remove, after adding all the upgrades you end up with a 99 deck and 2 generals. That's 101 cards! :O
I do like that Jirina is at least an ETB and not on cast. conjurer's closet and some blink could help, but im more on the partners.
Your harmonies were on POINT this week!
51:33 You guys probably misunderstood how this card works(or I did, idk xD). It applies Man-ah-che for your creatures too, since *you* attacking your opponents also satisfies her conditions.
It's a bit strange to misunderstand, since its wording is similar to Edric, Spymaster of Trest's effect.
Agree! That card rules! It gives all my creatures menace.
I literally name every Human Tribal deck I build some sort of The Killers lyric or song title.
Great choice.
This is my first time watching your podcasts during a release season. They have been great. I’m going to buy this deck and use your advice!
Keep up the good work.
How they didn't mention Annointed Procession and Hanweir Garrison is mind blowing.
Ryan Martin budget, maybe?
"I don't know why Silvar and Trynn are partners"
well you see "frees" people from the city so the other can "free" them from their life... I still am not comfortable with it to be honest
I think the idea is that the human made a pact to gain power with the monster, and in return they must feed it sacrifices, lest it feast on them instead.
First thing I thought of, being devoured is being Freed in a sense.
It's not about power. They're bonded. It's like feeding your animal best friend the people you don't like.
I didn't connect they we're partners lorewise at all when I read the cards, more like connected by fate or circumstances! Quite the contrast compared to older partner cards these two.
@@selkokieli843 right but look at trynn's face and her pose. She has definitely not got the best intententions.
The first time I saw the box commander i swore it was Tessa Thompson, glad im not the only one
Are we human or [Hanweir Lancer]
With Jurina you could do Panharmonicon and white blink spells. Or maybe Brought Back on Isochron with sac outlets...?
"trynn will make you more tokens than jirina will"
*NIM DEATH MANTLE & ASHNOD'S ALTAR HAVE ENTERED THE CHAT*
Excellent point, but even if you would like to combo, Jirina triggers of the number of time you've cast a commander (not necessarily herself). Having partner commander in the command zone increase her trigger easily and makes the combo potential less obvious as you need to draw or tutor for her. I wasn't a fan of this precon, but it's warming up to me now.
@@clanechelon oven if you just cast her the first time, you can have infinite death triggers as she will always enter with 1 other creature. You sack both to altar and pay 4 to bring her back. If you have any sort of aristocrats creature on the field you can kill everyone. Also with the addition of anointed procession, she can enter with 2 tokens and ergo go infinite on the board. This combo is very easily done with black tutors, stoneforge mystic, steel shapers gift, enlightened tutor, and a bunch of other search effects making it reliable. Casting her once (when you're set up) should win you the game on the spot. Casting her a second time is even more potent.
@@parkercole6389 Yeah for sure, your plan is just really obvious if you use her as the commander. Gotta hope she doesn't get countered. I guess I'm just not a huge fan of combo-y commander in the command zone or at least those too obvious. Makes the threat assessment of your opponent really easy. The partner commander just opens up more option and Jirina in the 99 isn't a problem imo. I guess it depends on your playgroup. I play really casual with my friends but if I get a combo win one time, they will be ptsd and keep counter spell in their hand forever if I play the deck again xD
@@clanechelon I mean I guess it's all up to personal preference. I would prefer to have a streamlined consistent combo (even if it's obvious. Just have cards to help with counters like the new red card, phyroblast, mana tithe, rebuff the wicked ect ect) than a surprise commander. I'm not saying the partners are bad, but to me they just sent fast enough.
Cringe
Wow that Intro. I could replay it all day.
Rubber band around the cards brings me back to collecting pokemon cards as a kid
With frontier warmonger wouldn't your own creatures gain menace when attacking an opponent? Seems like a good payoff for you attacking your opponents
Yes
Gleam of Battle; Odric, Master Tactician; Embereth Skyblazer; Oketra's Monument; Mace of the Valient. And I wouldn't take out the Warmonger, unless you were putting in Iroas. It still gives "your" team Menace.
I really like Silvar and Trynn, they protect themselves, "combo", sustainability etc!
here's something I don't think I heard you guys discuss: Jirina is great with flicker effects!! Since the tokens she creates are ETB (as opposed to Prossh), you can cloudshift/eerie interlude/reanimate or what have you for the tokens!
For me, I think I would run Jirina Kudro. I would add flicker effects like Conjurer's Closet to blink the commander. The token making effect isn't a cast trigger it is an enter the battlefield trigger. I personally like her better than the partners because of the +2/+0 that it gives all your humans. I think that allows you to be very aggressive with the tokens. Honorable mention if you wanted a more expensive card would be anointed procession. I think you could even still do the aristocrat style with jirina although you don't have a sac outlet on your commander.
Brutal Hordechief is a decent Mardu card for token swarm strats. It's a 3/3 for 3B and each creature drains your opponent when you attack. BUT! You can pay 3[W/R][W/R] to control blocks for the turn, a power play is just having your opponent use everything to block a 1/1 and let everything else through
So whats the 10th card to take out, or did i miss one somehow? it seems like there wasnt a mention of 10 cards to remove.
I’m planning on playing Jirina Kudro (mostly because I don’t have a go wide deck yet and I think it would be fun to have one). I still like a lot of your additions, but with Jirina at the helm these are some cards I’d add:
1. Coat of Arms
2. Secure the Wastes
3. Lightning Greaves
4. Herald’s Horn
5. Obelisk of Urd
Here are 4 cards that I think would work well for a more aggressive strategy.
1. Archetype of Aggression
2. Rowdy Crew
3. Berserkers’ Onslaught
4. Anger (not a human but haste is amazing in this deck)
Just want to clarify: At 52:40 about, you DO NOT have to equip it to something else. You can choose to target the already equipped creature and choose a new color. The only ones you would have to move around are the equipment that give shroud.
I would add Jirina in the 99 in an human matter deck or in an Saskia deck. By adding green and double token generator to go wider. You could add some etb utility so either blink it or double the trigger for value and of course adding more payoffs.
Verge Rangers is 100% going into my Elsha of the Infinite deck (my first ever Commander deck, built off of Josh's advice!), as it covers one of her weaknesses. So good.
I am totally going to run Vrynn and Silvar with this deck. So much fun. And I don't normally like Aristocrat tactics, but this one has my mind changed.
I'm stoked you guys decided to go with Trynn and Silvar and lean into the aristocrats strategy. That's definitely what I plan on doing. I like the idea of human tribal, with some token aggro that gets value from aristocrats style cards. It obviously b lows the budget, but Anointed Procession feels like a must include in this deck and I wish they would have reprinted it here as it is up to 15 bucks or so. With Trynn and Silvar out you could sac a human token to Silvar each combat and then gain two to net one with Anointed Procession.
Theres a One mana black socery that removes 5 counters from anything. Its a Common from War of THE spark that depicts liliana
I am thinking of switching the Kelsien with Teysa Karlov for a Aristocrat aproach with the deck .
I am pending between this deck and the Symbiotic Swamp deck or even buying both, because i like Orzhov and they both have some orzhov engines.
Looking forward to that upgrade guide fot the Symbiotic Swamp deck.
And great Nail Polish Jimmy i like it
Was surprised you didn't mention Anointed Procession, since a token doubler would give you a lot of more things to sac and swing with.
At least I was surprised at first, because then I remembered it's like a $15 card and this is a budget upgrade video.
Boreas Charger is a pretty good white ramp if you have a sac outlet for instant value
Cards I'd be excited about adding that you haven't added:
goblin bombardment
luminious broodmoth
edict enchantments like martyr's bond, grave pact, and dictate of erebos
patriarch's bidding
I also have some interest in harvester of souls.
Note: my playgroup runs an escalation league with the precons where we use a commander vs points model to determine a season winner and we add ~25-50 each week. In that environment I would never take out crackling doom against 2-3 huge creature/voltron decks.
If I was gonna play the face card I'd definitely add Iroas into the deck. He's just good value, menace and no combat damage changes the game super quickly
you guys are the coolest. You give my whole family such great info and entertainment. Thank you for your work. Keep spreading MTG love.
Nice opening song. Really appreciated it.
Bonder's Ornament should have been 4,T: Draw a card. The cost to activate this ability is reduced by 1 for each opponent that controls a card named Bonder's Ornament or something similar, then it would have been meh rather than bleh
Humble Defector plus Kiki Jiki equals the best shenanigans.
You can equip the blade to a creature its already equipped on. its funky but you don't have to move it around to change, just pay the cost again.
I'm digging the painted nails 😂 and fantastic content guys! Keep it up!
For Jirina as the CMDR, I think you can really make a fun token spam deck around her if you make it based on blinking her and other good ETB cards. Because it's when she enters the battlefield she gets her effect, you could run blink cards to blink her and make tokens. And also run other cards that help tokens or make tokens when they enter the battlefield. Only problem is you cant run cards that blink everything or else your tokens will die
Trynn's name is ironic...she leads people out of the city, "to freedom" and feeds em to the cat!
Am I weird, or why would she ever be white on the color pie?
@@qwormuli77 She wants to make sure that the city remains as strong as possible, which means culling the weak. Trynn convinces her targets to go outside the city , and then leads them to Silvar's den. She genuinely believes that she is doing this for the best for the city
Jurina with blink is pretty good, since she's prone to removal since she's an anthem and once you cast her the second time from the command zone each blink makes 2 tokens each being a 3/1 and later on you should have more mana to use those blink effects to protect her more since she is an anthem
Me:
Sees a command zone video.
Yep I’m clicking that
If you look at the face Commander for the deck, that's probably why mentor of the meek was not in pre-con. Face commander makes all humans at least power 3 not being able to trigger mentor of the meek
when you guys talk about frontier warmonger, it sounds (to me atleast) as if you're assuming that it only gives menace to opponents creatures. my understanding of the card is that it gives menace to your creatures as well (because it only asks for creatures attacking your opponents, theres no restriction on who has to be the owner of the attacking creatures), so....a 4 mana 4/4 which gives menace to all my stuff doesnt seem too bad imo, especially since we're gonna be attacking with a lot of (albeit small) stuff, which means there is a pretty big chance of more face damage than usual
You're right, it's great. They also glossed over that because it protects the opponents' creatures on attack, they are going to be much more aggressive, aiding your game plan. What's more interesting is, that they advertised Titan Hunter of all things, probably the worst card of the deck.
Teysa seems like a pretty good include. The lifelink from tokens and the aristocrat subtheme additional effects work very well with the partner commanders.
I think I still got a Teysa Karlov I drew from Ravnica Allegiance somewhere… A human doubling death triggers and benefits tokens a bit for a kind of human tribal aristocrats deck with some tokens included, I think thats Beautiful.
25:50 "aristorat theme" lololol
Cruel celebrant is a great aristocrat card. And I think outlaw's merriment is a great human token generator, if it's not already in the deck.
Queen marchesa is suprisingly affordable now that collector boosters are out. Honestly you should run it just cuz it's a powerful human that is also mardu
I like Fiend Hunter comboing off with Angel of Glory's Rise