There's a recent article from Mark Rosewater where he explains that at a certain point when he was working on Time Spiral block he considered making Instant a supertype, so that one could have Instant Sorceries (Instants) and Instant Creatutes (creatures with Flash). At the end, it was not possible to implement such a radical change and they introduced the Flash mechanics instead .
I actually pulled a foil veil of summer years ago, had no idea it was good, and threw it in bulk. I spent hours finding it after realizing the foil is like 50 bucks, just a funny story.
@@hiddenleaf414 Well it's from Core Set 2020, and as you surely know the core sets are numbered for the upcoming year so M20 came out in July of 2019. The point still stands, it could not have been years (plural) ago.
And I'm sorry I love the card for mono blue decks. It's almost a necessity for spikey play groups. I tend to build for 7-9 so I feel that you should always be prepared to see it in that power range.
Don't mind the haters. I love it when Joe says something is "completely insane!" If you want to change it up you could say, "it's stark raving mad!" But if you did that you would need an Irish accent 😁.
wow, you guys really really like veil of summer. better than cylconic rift or assassin's trophy? you must have alot of counterspells flying around in your games.
I was recently listening to a podcast in which they were basically saying Veil of Summer is the same thing as Autumn's Veil... Guess they missed the "*draw a fraking card*". Best description for it is "1 mana Cryptic Command".
Can you? If they do it before combat tou cant even attack them but does teffari protection even prevent dmg? I thought it said your life total cant change
@@connoringram4948 If you phase out before their combat phase,you aren't a legal target for the attack.If you protection after attackers are declared the beast deals the damage,your life total doesn't change.You can still lose to commander damage from questing beast because it does do damage,your life total just won't change.You can lose to poison counters from questing beast because infect is a replacement effect,it sees the damage then replaces it with poison counters.
Weird, the RUclips announcement I got said "The top 15 sorceries...". Sounds like RUclips agrees that instants need to be renamed "sorceries with flash".
As phasing is a part of the untap step and done as the first step when you start your untap step I have actually had a lot of fun in one game by after a player used Teferi's Protection on my turn I put down Sands of Time. He did not return to the game till I decided to bounce the Sands and let him phase back in. Very funny play
Spread the Word.... Of the Nerds 😂 Professor’s video is good, but you guys are more interesting and much funnier. And currently, you’re more personalized and less commercialized. I can watch the Professor, but I can’t connect with him on Discord, can’t play EDH with him on spelltable ..... So, there’s no comparison. I choose the Nitpicking Nerds! 👍🏼
I think mystical tutor is a bit better than enlightened, which is a lot above worldly. There are many more creature tutors, so worldly loses a lot of clout. I think FoW is actually underrated. If it was 50c there would be people running blue heavy decks who avoid using FoW because of the card disadvantage. And imo that's just incorrect. If you have enough blue, you should be running FoW if you have access to it.
Y'all: "Teferi's Protection is so good!" The colouless deck I just made that primarily uses 2 way to infinite mill everyone without targeting: "U think I'm locked in here with u? Ur locked in here with me!!!"
I have to say the last comment of don't play tergrid. I built one recently. And my wife tried at me for two hours after I destroyed the entire table. And I built it for Jess than 75 dollars. Which explains just how powerful it is.
Veil of summer wasn’t actually the worst deign mistake in magic because when it came out esper was so disgustingly relevant in standard that it was actually justified. From the perspective of any other format however, it was in fact one of the worst design mistakes in magic.
Only 3 cards I actually hate seeing. That's mana crypt Gaes cradle and mana crypt. Just makes so many non games. Although I did live the dream the other day and had Ashya soul of the wild out and all my creatures were lands so the rift did nothing.
Swords to plowshares is such a perfect flavor magic card. It takes their army and makes them farmers. Then the farmers make food to give extra life. 👨🍳 💋
Fun fact: Frantic Search was legal in standart together with Tolarian Academy, Cloud of Faeries, Fluctuator, Stroke of Genious, Grim Monolith, Voltaic Key, and a shitload of cards that cycle for 2 windings. The deck just goes boom, and then decks the opponent for an instant win.
Can fit in any deck that has blue in its color pie. Mono blue is obviously easiest to cast this. 2 color decks you don't need to go crazy with fixing your mana to make it work either. And anything 3 colors and above if you invest in a good mana base shouldn't be an issue either. If you're going to use it make sure you're doing something degenerate the turn after using it.
@@wookie5959 yeah I know that it fits in any deck with a blue color identity. The issue is that I have about 20 decks it potentially go in, but I haven't settled on which one. Currently the most likely candidates are Urza, Niv-mizzet, Arcanis or holding it until I build my next blue commander
I'm sure you guys already realized this but just in case: Deflecting Swat can also be used to counter counter spells by changing the target of the counter spell to Deflecting Swat itself, and because DS resolves first when the counter spell resolves it no longer has a legal target and just fizzles.
I agree with Joe that Deflecting Swat "looks so bad" at first. I totally undervalued it at first, comparing it to other red "deflect" spells from my Standard-playing days (Ricochet Trap and the like). But, yeah, it's now an auto-include in more of my red decks. Also, if I Deflecting Swat your extra turn spell, you can't even get salty about it.:)
I lold when I saw Prof's video so shortly after yours. I think most people appreciated both videos in their own right, as equally valid. I think power level is a good shorthand to know for when a full discussion is unnecessary, isn't happening. Profs video basically just expands to include other considerations that players might have in what they want from their games. Cus everyone could sit down and play 5s-6s, but one of them might be stax and maybe that's not cool for some people in some groups. I also like the tried and true balancing method of just getting the rest of the table to beat up the deck you find too annoying/ too strong.
Some more great ones are Rebuff the Wicked in white nonblue decks (was $5, but it’s getting reprinted in TSR!) white, Volcanic Offering hits 4 targets (and when it gets down to 1v1, it’s 4 of their things!)
Definitely noticed that he posted something about that after you guys made that video.... I'm sure he watches you guys are great👍 Appreciate everything you do just watched the Dual lands video trying to upgrade the decks and everything you guys put out is gold thank you for everything👍🙌👍
If you cast balance, then teffaris in response, would all your stuff phaser out, balance checks how many lands and creatures you have, comes back with zero, resets the board, at end of turn your stuff all comes back?
deflecting swat is one of my favorite cards even in my cedh deck, I just cast it for nothing and change a counterspell to it sow when it resolves it has no target. or my opponent is casting peer into the abyss and I just change the target to myself and win instead of him. and also in my cedh kess intuition is a one-card combo, you have kess on the battlefield you cast intuition you take Thassa's oracle, Reanimate and demonic consultation. doesn't matter what you get, you will get a Thassa's oracle etb and in response demonic consultation your deck.
Where the Hell was Constant Mists? It is way better then any of these trashy cards. 1.) Constant 2.) Darkness 3.) Angel’s Grace 4.) Force of Vigor 5.) Force of Despair 6.) Vampiric Tutor 7.) Enlightened Tutor 8.) Mystical Tutor 9.) Worldly Tutor 10.) Heliod’s Intervention 11.) Deadly Rollick 12.) Flawless Maneuver 13.) Obscuring Haze 14.) Fierce Guardianship 15.) Deflecting Swat We agree on number 15 ;)
I pulled Apex Devastor and Vampiric Tutor in my commander legends box, perfect combo, way better than demonic tutor cause I stack my 9 mana spell on top of my deck then cascade it for free :O!!
@@breakingtide yes but tis a sorcery and to the hand, but yes 👍 one mana tutor for them ... I guess red is strong enough as is 🙄 ... *so says salty red players* 😂
Joe, the fact that people are telling you how much you say completely insane is completely insane in its self. Don’t ever change joe, we love you....also breezys there.
Ahh the much awaited Top 15 Sorceries with Flash in Commander
:(((((
🤣🤣🤣
I want them to bring Tribal sorceries back, and change instant to say Flash Sorcery 😂
Waiting for top 15 interrupts
There's a recent article from Mark
Rosewater where he explains that at a certain point when he was working on Time Spiral block he considered making Instant a supertype, so that one could have Instant Sorceries (Instants) and Instant Creatutes (creatures with Flash). At the end, it was not possible to implement such a radical change and they introduced the Flash mechanics instead .
You guys are taking the pleasure of counting instances of "this card is completely insane" away from me.
I wanna get better!
Joe: lets make a top ten of instants
Beezy: In response make it 15
Got him good didnt I
I actually pulled a foil veil of summer years ago, had no idea it was good, and threw it in bulk. I spent hours finding it after realizing the foil is like 50 bucks, just a funny story.
Trades?? I need one 😭
Is Veil of Summer older than 2020?
@@hiddenleaf414 Well it's from Core Set 2020, and as you surely know the core sets are numbered for the upcoming year so M20 came out in July of 2019.
The point still stands, it could not have been years (plural) ago.
Dang. I didn't realize they were $12 nonfoil
I was gonna like this video at instant speed but then I saw the title say top 15 Sorceries. So just wait until my turn and I will like it-
We fixed it!
man, I am getting hammered playing the "Completely Insane" Game. every time he says it take a shot ^_^
It took me 13 hrs to recover from this drinking game xD
Man, was not expecting grave Titan with flash to be on this list.
He isn't!!! Someone is feeding you lies!
@@NitpickingNerds cant chicken out, it was clearly right behind kodamas reach!
You guys have a really great show, I think if you guys keep going you’ll definitely blow up even more.
Thank you! We don’t plan on stopping
Yes Cyclonic Rift is COMPLETELY INSANE
And I'm sorry I love the card for mono blue decks. It's almost a necessity for spikey play groups. I tend to build for 7-9 so I feel that you should always be prepared to see it in that power range.
you guys are great, i dont even play mtg anymore but i watch every video. Congrats on the channel.
That's awesome to hear :)
You know a card is a mistake when it's good both with and against combo decks.
Top 15 Design Mistakes Since Modern incoming, perhaps?
What a coincidence, I love Beezys mom also. I kid, keep up the great work guys!
My mom got excited but then she found out you were kidding :(
That was an INSANE video! Never would have guessed grave titan would have been so high on the list!
*checks video for critical error in editing*
If you have enough mana to cast Obliterate and then respond with Teferi's Protection then you basically auto win lol
Don't mind the haters. I love it when Joe says something is "completely insane!" If you want to change it up you could say, "it's stark raving mad!" But if you did that you would need an Irish accent 😁.
Veil could have went out with the recent housecleaning in modern and legacy... No one would have blinked.
You guys should make a response video to the Professor. Start some phony beef! Best way to grow your channel (if you're a chud)!
We are in fact chuds and we love phony beef
@@NitpickingNerds DO EEET!
Intuition is in fact a cEDH staple for both Thassa's Oracle combo lines and Underworld Breach combo lines.
I knew it!
11:49 how it feels to play against Emergent Ultimatum in standard
LOL
Calling it, at least 2 maybe 3 of the free precon spell design mistakes.
Stellar call!
Can say, frantic search is insane in Yidris. Probably one of the best cards to play in the whole deck, the turn after you play commander.
One of the best cards in the whole format
wow, you guys really really like veil of summer. better than cylconic rift or assassin's trophy? you must have alot of counterspells flying around in your games.
I was recently listening to a podcast in which they were basically saying Veil of Summer is the same thing as Autumn's Veil... Guess they missed the "*draw a fraking card*". Best description for it is "1 mana Cryptic Command".
Yeah those cards aren’t even close
Some might say this list is COMPLETELY INSANE
IT'S COMPLETELY INSANE
You can kill someone through Teferis Protection with Questing Beast Commander damage
Can you? If they do it before combat tou cant even attack them but does teffari protection even prevent dmg? I thought it said your life total cant change
I'm curious about this too.
So you're telling me I need to give Questing Beast infect
@@connoringram4948 If you phase out before their combat phase,you aren't a legal target for the attack.If you protection after attackers are declared the beast deals the damage,your life total doesn't change.You can still lose to commander damage from questing beast because it does do damage,your life total just won't change.You can lose to poison counters from questing beast because infect is a replacement effect,it sees the damage then replaces it with poison counters.
@@SJamesGill88 Thats interestin i didnt know the dmg still happens for infect or commander
You guys make my days easier. Keep it up!
So glad to hear that!
Too much like trying to watch the to 15 Youboob ads
How many ads did you see?
Weird, the RUclips announcement I got said "The top 15 sorceries...". Sounds like RUclips agrees that instants need to be renamed "sorceries with flash".
Beezy named the video wrong laugh at him!
@@NitpickingNerds, omw, you guys are human? I thought you have hexproof from error because to err is human 😂
I've figured it out. Someone Shahrazad'ed you into redoing a Top 15 Sorceries, but you decided to do something different in the subgame.
As phasing is a part of the untap step and done as the first step when you start your untap step I have actually had a lot of fun in one game by after a player used Teferi's Protection on my turn I put down Sands of Time. He did not return to the game till I decided to bounce the Sands and let him phase back in. Very funny play
I've designed a Taniwha deck around weaponizing Phasing to pull off tricks like that
@@crovax1375 Add in Shimmer to pull even more land phasing hijinks
Mana burn did change everything for Mana Drain!
I am genius!
Spread the Word.... Of the Nerds 😂
Professor’s video is good, but you guys are more interesting and much funnier. And currently, you’re more personalized and less commercialized. I can watch the Professor, but I can’t connect with him on Discord, can’t play EDH with him on spelltable ..... So, there’s no comparison. I choose the Nitpicking Nerds! 👍🏼
I think mystical tutor is a bit better than enlightened, which is a lot above worldly. There are many more creature tutors, so worldly loses a lot of clout.
I think FoW is actually underrated. If it was 50c there would be people running blue heavy decks who avoid using FoW because of the card disadvantage. And imo that's just incorrect. If you have enough blue, you should be running FoW if you have access to it.
Y'all: "Teferi's Protection is so good!"
The colouless deck I just made that primarily uses 2 way to infinite mill everyone without targeting: "U think I'm locked in here with u? Ur locked in here with me!!!"
I have to say the last comment of don't play tergrid. I built one recently. And my wife tried at me for two hours after I destroyed the entire table. And I built it for Jess than 75 dollars. Which explains just how powerful it is.
Veil of summer wasn’t actually the worst deign mistake in magic because when it came out esper was so disgustingly relevant in standard that it was actually justified. From the perspective of any other format however, it was in fact one of the worst design mistakes in magic.
Only 3 cards I actually hate seeing. That's mana crypt Gaes cradle and mana crypt. Just makes so many non games. Although I did live the dream the other day and had Ashya soul of the wild out and all my creatures were lands so the rift did nothing.
Interesting 40€ gap between deflecting swat and "bolt bent"...^^.
What 1 mana difference and the possibility of multiple targets can bring ^^...
Finally, a video about the Top 15 counterspells.
and top 15 tutors
Swords to plowshares is such a perfect flavor magic card. It takes their army and makes them farmers. Then the farmers make food to give extra life. 👨🍳 💋
Dig through time and treasure Cruise have no build around. It’s get cards in your graveyard
Which is just playing the game and extra easy to do
I think FOW is worse than fierce guardianship, it's more restrictive in deckbuilding that's for sure.
What your opinion of Camouflage? Rather unique card. Any thoughts on decks it would be fun in?
Love the channel guys!
Topping this list:
S Tier Underrated EDH RUclips Channels
Cyclonic Rift first appeared in Return to Ravnica in 2012, not 2008 or before Commander...
korvold + free sac outlet + vampiric tutor is instant speed demonic tutor. card goes straight to your hand that way
Fun fact: Frantic Search was legal in standart together with Tolarian Academy, Cloud of Faeries, Fluctuator, Stroke of Genious, Grim Monolith, Voltaic Key, and a shitload of cards that cycle for 2 windings. The deck just goes boom, and then decks the opponent for an instant win.
Very often I whip the board in some aspect and Terrie’s or flawless
Feels good
Feels bad for them
Flavor win: Yisan, the Wanderer Bard with Chord of Calling in the deck:P
I like that!
Challenge --Top 10 Miracle Cards, Top 10 Cards w Flashback!
I opened a Mana Drain recently, but I don't know which deck to put it in
sell it
@@morgoth2425 I haven't found a good way to sell cards. Any lgs in my area only wants to give store credit
Can fit in any deck that has blue in its color pie. Mono blue is obviously easiest to cast this. 2 color decks you don't need to go crazy with fixing your mana to make it work either. And anything 3 colors and above if you invest in a good mana base shouldn't be an issue either. If you're going to use it make sure you're doing something degenerate the turn after using it.
@@wookie5959 yeah I know that it fits in any deck with a blue color identity. The issue is that I have about 20 decks it potentially go in, but I haven't settled on which one. Currently the most likely candidates are Urza, Niv-mizzet, Arcanis or holding it until I build my next blue commander
If cyclonic rift isn't number one or number two something is wrong with this list.
I'm sure you guys already realized this but just in case: Deflecting Swat can also be used to counter counter spells by changing the target of the counter spell to Deflecting Swat itself, and because DS resolves first when the counter spell resolves it no longer has a legal target and just fizzles.
Wait... Where is the pact cycle? Like pact of negation, summoner's pact, and in narrow sense slaughter pact have relevance
They are good just not better than any of these
I pulled a borderless Vamp tutor from commander legends. Sold it because I would feel bad playing it. Too stronk
Me and Beezy have an extra one we just don’t use
At 22:09 you asked if there was any other card like frantic search that drew cards and was a ritual.
Well yes actually, Jeska's will.
That’s true but it is a bit different as you can only play the spells that turn and need your commander out
I agree with Joe that Deflecting Swat "looks so bad" at first. I totally undervalued it at first, comparing it to other red "deflect" spells from my Standard-playing days (Ricochet Trap and the like).
But, yeah, it's now an auto-include in more of my red decks.
Also, if I Deflecting Swat your extra turn spell, you can't even get salty about it.:)
Without watching, or reading comments: If Ad Nauseum isn't on this list, I will eat my pants!
Your pants remain in tact
I lold when I saw Prof's video so shortly after yours. I think most people appreciated both videos in their own right, as equally valid. I think power level is a good shorthand to know for when a full discussion is unnecessary, isn't happening. Profs video basically just expands to include other considerations that players might have in what they want from their games. Cus everyone could sit down and play 5s-6s, but one of them might be stax and maybe that's not cool for some people in some groups. I also like the tried and true balancing method of just getting the rest of the table to beat up the deck you find too annoying/ too strong.
In a 5 colored deck, isn't mystical tutor just every tutor?
Some more great ones are Rebuff the Wicked in white nonblue decks (was $5, but it’s getting reprinted in TSR!) white, Volcanic Offering hits 4 targets (and when it gets down to 1v1, it’s 4 of their things!)
Definitely noticed that he posted something about that after you guys made that video.... I'm sure he watches you guys are great👍 Appreciate everything you do just watched the Dual lands video trying to upgrade the decks and everything you guys put out is gold thank you for everything👍🙌👍
If you cast balance, then teffaris in response, would all your stuff phaser out, balance checks how many lands and creatures you have, comes back with zero, resets the board, at end of turn your stuff all comes back?
deflecting swat is one of my favorite cards even in my cedh deck, I just cast it for nothing and change a counterspell to it sow when it resolves it has no target. or my opponent is casting peer into the abyss and I just change the target to myself and win instead of him.
and also in my cedh kess intuition is a one-card combo, you have kess on the battlefield you cast intuition you take Thassa's oracle, Reanimate and demonic consultation. doesn't matter what you get, you will get a Thassa's oracle etb and in response demonic consultation your deck.
Intuition sees light cEDH play, it's more a card for specific builds like Kess than a blue staple like [SPOILER], though.
How the hell is swords to plowshares better than deadly rollick?
Why play cryptic command when you can play veil of summer
Where the Hell was Constant Mists? It is way better then any of these trashy cards.
1.) Constant
2.) Darkness
3.) Angel’s Grace
4.) Force of Vigor
5.) Force of Despair
6.) Vampiric Tutor
7.) Enlightened Tutor
8.) Mystical Tutor
9.) Worldly Tutor
10.) Heliod’s Intervention
11.) Deadly Rollick
12.) Flawless Maneuver
13.) Obscuring Haze
14.) Fierce Guardianship
15.) Deflecting Swat
We agree on number 15 ;)
(Disclaimer) This Above List is not affiliated with the Nitpicking Nerds List.
Our list would never be seen in public with your list
Luckily I casted Angel’s Grace. So you didn’t bring my life total below zero with that comment, haha
Deflecting swat is my favorite commander protection. Allows me to safely tap out for elsha yet still leave up protection
After the end of the video
Can the name tags for next video say
"Beezy-Went to college"
I certainly did and don't you forget it
Good video. Here's a bump in the algorithm
Deflecting swatting a peer into abyss in cedh is on my top 10 magic moments for sure :D swat rly is great some times :D
So glad I watched the tidbit! I felt so bad for you guys I felt the prof just spiked on y’all. 😂
Deflecting Swaft has become my favourite card since I first played it. So satisfying.
tbh those three honourable mentions are pretty cedh too.
Time stamps would do this channel wonders!
I love Dig Through time and treasure cruise
get rid of the reverb on your audio, love you guys
Haven’t you heard? The Nerd is the word!
I pulled Apex Devastor and Vampiric Tutor in my commander legends box, perfect combo, way better than demonic tutor cause I stack my 9 mana spell on top of my deck then cascade it for free :O!!
Wombo Combo!!!
The GOAT as far as nerds that nitpick go
Poor red and it’s lack of one mana tutor top :( I feel like they need to print one to complete the colour pie
Gamble
@@breakingtide yes but tis a sorcery and to the hand, but yes 👍 one mana tutor for them ... I guess red is strong enough as is 🙄 ... *so says salty red players* 😂
Oopsie with the title😅
I SEE NO OOPSIE
OKAY MY FAULT
I love you guys. Your content is so consistent. And high quality. Nothing more to say.
Is it just me or in every video does the guy on the right just seem annoyed by the guy on the left lmao
I love the guy on my left he's my best friend
@@NitpickingNerds I'm happy for ya man maybe it's just seems like you guys disagree alot. But also agree alot but hey it's only natural
3 of the top 25 instants according to NPR were printed in commander 2020. Seems like THE problem 😕
National Public Radio made a video about this too?? But c20 was really good in all seriousness lol
Keep the videos coming guys. Love the content.
We certainly will! Thanks :D
Great list. Loved the placements of Dig Through Time and Frantic Search. I've seen some people really underrate those cards.
Thanks, they're really solid cards!
I have Intuition in my Muldrotha deck. 😅
Also, Gifts Ungiven gets you two cards as opposed to one.
They are comparable was what we were saying
Swords to plowshares is my evil sacrifice instant of choice. Gains me life by also causing a death trigger.
Doesn't cause a death trigger tho. Causes the creature to leave the battlefield, but not die.
Solo maybe top 10 non tutor non counterspell instant spells? ;D
You forgot to mention lightning bolt in the honorary mentions
Maybe next time!
Buried Alive was printed before Entomb - Weatherlight.
i laughed so hard when he said "how do you put a [cyclonic] rift into a tomb?" xD haha
Just wanted to mention that grave titan is an awful instant
Literally trash
I keep thinking Veil of summer was banned
That is cuz it is banned in everything else
Joe, the fact that people are telling you how much you say completely insane is completely insane in its self. Don’t ever change joe, we love you....also breezys there.
Awe it is completely insane how much you care lol
Yeesh it's completely insane that I am an afterthought
Ad naus died with simian spirit gide ban though 😒
RIP
You guys should do EDH gameplay videos.
We are planning on doing it ASAP
Glad they have instants separate from sorceries in magic. Having thousands of sorcery cards that all say flash would be annoying.
You wouldn’t think twice about it if that was how magic started
@@NitpickingNerds totally agree but I'm glad they didn't do it that way using hindsight