The Most Exciting Ship For Coal Is Fun Again | Pommern
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- I was a huge fan of the Pommern before the commander rework, since then I've hardly played it and didn't recommend anyone get it. This changes with update 10.7, this could be the most fun ship in my port.
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"A fun alternative to the [Tech Tree T9], not outright better." In other words, exactly what premiums are supposed to be.
Agreed. They should really be side-grades rather then over powered upgrades.
I dont like my Pommren , if I would need/want to play T9 premium , I would fist play Musashi , Benham ,Paolo Emilio , Alaska , ZF6 , Georgia , and then Pommren I she dont fit me.
Once upon a time they were side grades, then the defender, Chrysler, and one other came out to me killing wot. For wows the game died for me when they released the russian light cruiser with 16 guns, Porto rico being a disaster as an event and the ship a disappointment, and finally the 2 nails on the coffin being the removal of various scenarios and never reimplementing them with the meh cv rework.....
I will admit Massachusetts was pretty strong for her tier on her release as well
@@Swarm509 Or fill a differant niche, absolutely.
My Pom game consists of usually having my torpedo tubes permanently destroyed in the first salvo or two, being on fire if I'm spotted, and half my secondaries being blown away by the time I ever get them in range despite having the secondary health module.
Just don’t run main armor mod, run secondary one.
sounds like my atago
Same with the scharn and brandenberg
This is the typical pommern game. Throw in t7 main guns, w t6 reload times, and accuracy of a t3. Now we talk about how it's absolutely huge, is slow and doesnt turn and what do we have? It's a disaster of ship.
@@Vtwin60 maybe u didnt know how to play the ship...i get 4-5 times kraken in pommen weekly. I prefer secondary ships, my other ships re Napoli...most of the time i will push or setting up an ambush when they come near to my ships detection range
7:11 damn, if only i have atleast 1 enemy rushing in, i can experience the full secondaries experience :'D
Getting both sides firing at different ships is pretty amazing too!
You already featured this video on the CC Exodus video my guy lol.....
you need IFHE
Torpedoes = keeping the enemy honest - everyone in a battle wants to come back home and a an intentional ramm is detrimental to that.
Which is one of my nit picks with WoWS and WoT : a player doesn't loose access to its ships/tanks if they got deleted.
But ending up deleted and then having to grind from lower tier and up ?
Pommern sucks so hard, it burns, it is super slow and clumsy therefore very verkable to Torps and it’s Torp and HE meta at 20km range so u so Jack shit with that ship, buy Bourgogne with steel and captains with coal.
Buy Incomparable or Kearsarge instead of Bourgogne.
Lol very stink ships.
@@mkgaming990 I heated kearsaege gets nerfed and incomparable isn’t really good, it’s a one way ship to nuke 1-3 people and then die I think, unless u snipe with it.
@@Parobro but recently Kearsarge got buffed you have more planes HP than Midway close to FDR and number of squadron is also increase and come on man I love NC guns very accurate ones and now imagine of it gets that 11% dispersion one.
Man the ship will be awesome.
And talking about Incomparable the ship is only loved for those 20 inch guns with cruiser level accuracy😅😅😅.
Well if its that much fun then it needs to be nerfed because as everyone knows the world of warships is not supposed to be fun
Slapped a new secondary/main gun hybrid on my pommern and went for a match. Over 520 secondary hits, 12 fires and about 220k worth of dmg. Weegee has done some insanely stupid shit as of late. Buffing secondaries was not one of them.
"FDG is a surprisingly good tier IX"
That is a first for me. I hated that ship. But then again, I am not in the mood to play the type of BB that got me into playing this game. That is how far down the gameplay has deteriorated for me.
The FDG is a floating piñata. Love it...for farming damage on.
@@padanfain7466 FDG is one of the ships, that needs totally commitment to the secondaries - it is a close quarter ship, unfortunately w/o the torps of the Pommern. If you play this in any brawl in a kiting position, it's very effective. Use the 406er instead of the 420 (if I remember right, that you can choose...) for better reload (26 sec.).
It got the same armor as the Pommern, which makes both ships pretty resistant to incoming secondary damage.
Do not play the FDG on range - it does not have the 12 gun hit chance of a Pommern or G.K.
@@zagareth4604 I'm honestly not a fan of the German BBs. Bismarck is great but the FDG and Kurrfurst are terrible. Think I'd rather play any other BBs.
Hey PQ, auxiliary armaments mod does not double your torp launcher's HP. The main armaments mod does so, but only 50% more.
Why is WG'S English pretty much flawless when apologising but always obscure, misscommunicated or lost in translation when they try ripping off the multi lingual playerbase, with easily confused ship, gambling crates or event descriptions.
Their apology itself is half arsed and about what I'd expect from an angry 10 year old boy. The English is fine but the attitude is terrible as it's not a real apology.
"Working as intended"
When I heard about the incoming secondary changes, I put off grinding the Bismark until they dropped. And boy, was I not disappointed. Even stock and bottom tier, it's a ton of fun. With IFHE, I was able to outduel a Montana. I'm averaging 115k per game. In a stock Bismark. Good times.
I got back into WoWS a few months ago after two years off and was up to the Bismark. Trying her with secondary nerf was painful, she was so much fun before and a useful ship. Useless after the nerf and never touched her again.
I'll have to give her a run again and keep moving up that line.
build?
Bismark secondaries are so fun
My experience with Pommern mirrors yours exactly. You can now build for secondaries and be effective, and still have reasonable survivability. Most fun BB in the game I think.
One correction: it is Odin who has a fighter, not Pommern.
Pommern has a fighter, you need to switch it in equipment.
@@vladislavpalenik329 no it does not have a fighter
They will kill you before you reach the 12km range. Hahaha
@@PhanchaiSiam555 It happens. It also happens I get three kills, 180k dmg and 2nd in the team. Most often, it's somewhere in the middle. But it's always more fun than Izumo (for example).
@@vladislavpalenik329 Wrong.
It probably should be noted that Auxiliary Armaments Modification 1 does not apply to torpedoes. They are covered under Main Armaments Mod. 1. You imply the opposite a couple times in the video (7:00 for example).
Yeah PQ gets aux weapons wrong.
AUX: secondaries and AA
MAIN: Main guns and torps
After the rework Pommern is a beast! Before the rework, after they ruin secondary ships, playing with Pommern was like punching your own face.
Do you take IFHE?
Ignore that
why don't you take IFHE?
Setting fires with your secondaries is far more valuable than having all of them pen 32mm. GK's secondaries already do that without needing a nerf to their fire chance.
Me who literally just bought Napoli: 0_0
Same - But let's be honest with ourselves, Napoli is still a dope ship.
Everyone:"Pommern is so fun ship"
Meanwhile: *Me getting 400 coal per day and having 30k coal in inventory without any skill to get those 10k from rankeds*
If you're being serious, I'd recommend your 3 daily containers being selected for resources so you can bump that up to over 1k coal a day.
@@Con5tantine not everyone have time to grind 37k xp per day and not everyone have tens of thousends of those fancy flags and camos that give you in total over 1000% of xp
Ok, here's the question Potato Quality, should I get Gunther Lutjens or the Pommern first?
Get Lutjens first. His talents can be used on every class of ships: BB, DD, CA and even CV. You can literally use him on every premium German ship you have.
"most ppl are pretty aware of whats going on" hahahahaha what fantasy server are you playing on
As soon as you want to brawl someone with ur Pommern or whatever, you will notice.. they will keep out of your secondary range, and at all cost, out of your torps
Most ppl aren't aware of what's happening on the other side of the map.
This is actually looks really fun, I just can’t bring myself to play it anymore. The secondaries were my favorite and I’m so soured on the game, even if they’re back im not interested anymore.
That and the gambling killed it for me.
i see alot more ppl brawling which is good. now remove cvs subs and wargaming and we are good. secondaries just need to be a little more buffed in range and all is good.
WG buffs and nerfs change as fast as the weather.
in scotland we say ... if you dont like the weather, just wait a minute. ;o)
My Pommern Plans got Derailed by Napoli, and I'm NEVER going to Cry over that, Napoli is a Hoot and Change.... Pommern however is STILL my Next Coal Boat unless WG finds a Way to Derail it again....
I love getting in Close, Hate Sniping.... I Drive Roma, never used THAT Commander Skill, built it Strictly as a Colse Combat Knife Fighter.... I used the 2nds Build Principle to Boost the Main Battery not for the 2nds, and Built it to a 21sec Turret Traverse as well..... If Roma had Torp's, it'd be an EVIL Boat....
Used the Same Build on Tirpitz and Kii as I did Roma, so I'd just do it again o. Pommern....
still hate this ship. Guns hit nothing, and ewereone gone burn you or torp. All on high tier just camp on 18-20 km. we need 16km secondary. Pommern is great in Co-op and rank od 3v3. but 12v12 naah.
Regarding the build, improved repair party is just shit. Your reasons for picking it are okay i guess, but the skill itself just doesnt do anything. At 8:10 you have 1.2 mil potential so it gives you like 10s off the heal cd, thats not helping you in the brawl. If it would just reduce the current cd of repair as you take damage (as in not permanently) maybe it would be worth it, if it was less points it might be worth it, if it was increasing the strength of the heal it might be worth it, but in its current state its just garbage.
Just get AR, youre comparing it to basics for like 5 minutes but the classic mmo logic applies: Taking to much damage--> get more damage reduction/healing seems obvious, but often the far simpler solution is to reduce the damage by just killing whats hurting you faster :)
Flamu has a very good point: why punishing you for changing targets? You are punished for not being passive and select the optimum target over time for your secondaries which is stupid. From that point of view, it is not as good as before the captain skill rework.
Don't use the "f" word, WG might hear you and change the skills again so they can hear us nag again.
I got pommern a few month ago and I was disappointed, but I played it yesterday night and it was so fun! Now I like it lol
MMM Secondaries, quite Succulent... :D ;)
O tiro sai Loko de 12 acerta 3 aí sem chance contra Missouri Jean Bart giorgia lol
georgia is a good alternative if you want firepower and secondaries. The amount of fires you get is pretty disgusting now.
Plus the 23 seconds reload and 40kts speed
@@tongnguyenthien9057 and i often get confederate a lot with georgia, so with halsey you just become a giant cruiser with your reload and AR.
I’m saving for either the Napoli or Pommern
wonder if Napoli is a better option for coal now...?
It's a fun ship but I'm so torn between using Lutjens on the pommern or the G.K. Thing is pommern needs ifhe for secondaries to work and on the G.K ifhe feels like it's a waste of skill because u lose fire chance and you already got 32mm of pen by default
IFHE is a little worse on Pommern when it comes to drawn out fights because your fire chance is effectively neutered, which is not what you want.
@@aristosachaion_ against cruisers you are right but not battleship, also fires can be damage controlled, they are a very unreliable way of getting consistent damage
Wait for subs, before you trust this review.
I just can't wrap my hand around what is going on in his videos. Like? Huh? Why am I the one who gets the badest dispersion in the badest moments and he doesn't? What am I doing wrong? That Izumo at the start? 100% wouldn't have been a citadel hit for me. RIga at the start and double after Izumo? Hell no. And I just don't know what I'm doing wrong. Where. is. my. Luck? Where are my lucky shots? I just don't get it.
My friend has a Pommern. He was struggling with playing it so last night, I went and got myself one and we divisioned and played a lot of games until the server reset this morning. It is a lot of fun. Just have to be careful and don't push hard unless you have a lot of friends pushing with you. There were times we held a flank as the enemy just decided not to push into two Pommerns.
Pommern main guns are just Bismarck guns, but 3 barrels per turret
Why do you have chat disabled?
Love this ship! Got it just b4 10.7 and is very very nice. Love this gameplay. Ps. Wanna have fun? T7 German BB.
It was really a last minute decision for me, between the Pommern and Marco Polo, i'm glad i chose the former.
I run it with IFHE and after the patch those secondaries just shred. I had fun playing the Pomm before the patch, now i'm having a blast!
IFHE can deal with ships even a TX no problem. Totally worth it
My experience in game when I see your dispertion in your replay , I think we dont have same game. That game frustrate me today. hard and to close to the impossibility to have pleasure
I believe the game adjusts your dispersion based on your aim. Try shooting at ships that you aren't locked on and you will see what I mean.
Same goes for FDG - dispersion buffed or not, that thing is hillariously trolling me. 270m is a wide elipse, 296 even more. Compared to Thunderers 213m deadly HE accuracy... you know what I mean
Dispersion also depends how you angle your ship:
If you go broadside and shoot, the dispersion is full expanded to its highest value, because all turrets are as far away as possible from each other in the shooting direction.
If you angle to 45° to your shooting direction, all turrets are staying closer together - your dispersion is better.
the probleme is a lot of cruiser full broadside I'm suppose to punish them BUT all my shell drop around or overpen. Citdel disapear on cruiser .
@@lordthiberussolar4739 this is worst on german BBs, like Odin in ranked. You fire at Albermarle broadside and get 1 cit with luck, then firing at Chapayev and from two salvos you get 3 ricochets and rest goes all aroung,front and behind ship at the same time. Like from 6 shells fall 3 in front of the ship, 2 behind and 1 rico/overpen. Nice meme
Ooh could you make a FDG video plz?
I think Flamu mentioned these are Gneisenau guns, not Bismarck guns, at t9. The penetration is lower
Hope to see you play the Brandenburg and Schlieffen when they come out. But know you said not going to buy premiums.
I am missing less than 2k coal for the pommern if I use the coupon.
On the other hand, I started farming for my first steel ship on which I wanted to use the coupon.
Does anyone know how often the coupons are given out / if I should use it on the pommern or save it for a steel ship?
The coupons refresh every half year. That means the next coupon is gonna arrive at December so if you’re not in a hurry I think it’s totally fine to get a coal ship first cause you know steel takes like forever to grind, so when you’re about to finish grinding it might be just on time for the coupon to refresh
How do you farm for Steel?
@@soopahsoopah Playing ranks and/or clan battles
Save for a steel ship because you have much better options there
Can you make video which commander skills to use on battleships.
Look from 10min30 to the end he is explaining it
I have enough coal to purchase either the Pommern or the Napoli. I was set on the Napoli but this video has me thinking. What offers a more fun and unique experience?
Napoli is more unique, but pommern is more fun imo. Just depends on what you like.
Can try comparing the tech tree Italian cruiser (ones with smoke) and tech tree Grmn bb (starting from Bismarck...or Gneisy if your interest is 'bb with torp'...) just to get the general idea of how you'll feel playing that type of ship.
So they named this ship after an doggie? That's dope..... Sorry I just watched some Lizza little brown girl coming at yah. She's so adorable 😍.
I am so happy to hear this news. I have been getting ready to buy my first full coal ship. Wanted to buy the Pommern then they nerfed secondaries. Was hoping this buff would make it great again.
Secondary build is useless. They will kill you. You cannot get close with your 12km. You will die first. Hahahaha.
Accept they nerfed preventative maintenance in silence. I'm barely getting through matches with any turrets left... Because PM no longer protects secondaries or AA mounts....
“380s aren’t that good in its tier”
Lol yet my carnot has BB guns but only 305s and I hit for around 10-20,000 dmg a salvo every 21 seconds
Worst ship for it tier in the game. Poor t7 guns with possibly the worst accuracy ever devised. Huge hull that catches everything thrown against it. All at T9 where you won't last long. At current meta, you get out snipped, you won't last trying to get close as your guns are absolutely pathetic in reload, damage dealt, and accuracy.
Hail Hydro!
Sus comment ngl
Why do you always put some shit skills on ships? :-D Just follow that online guide in google doc. Repair party readiness instead of AR is ...stupid.
Fall in love with the Pommern as soon as it came out. I pay with old since I didn't have coal for it. Worth it.
BOYCOTT WARGAMING
I just picked it up and played it alll day....holy smokes this ship is fun! I dunno why but the main batteries just work for me.....
I've been playing the Pomm since Flamu set this ship for secondaries a long time ago. It's been fun even before the last patch.
Guys, if you are planning to get Pommern don't do it. When submarines will be released to Random this secondaries focused ship will be a pain once again considering subs engagement range and its poor manoeuvrability.
Pommern and Graf Zeppelin. Which is more accurate secondaries?
What happened to your Navigator mod? (ship angles)
I'm one of the dudes (we're dozens!!!) that just wishes that WoWs was a 40-50 even $60 game that just had everything unlocked, maybe getting higher tier ships by just no. of games played, or certain missions. I can't play every day and if I play, it's 3 hours max so getting premium time isn't worth it. I just wish everything was unlocked, maybe pay for skins without getting benefits, just looks, like in DotA 2 for example. Even a season pass would be good with a few unique missions and some cool unlocks. It's just my 2 cents about the game after uninstalling it today after 2 games where I was deleted by Dutch airstrikes. Love your video, PQ! Cheers!
@ANUBHAV SHARMA I don't find the current MatchMaking balanced.
@ANUBHAV SHARMA why? They will still be locked by tiers and you can set the matchmaker to allow a certain no. Of each ship class and model. It is possible with a lot of Alpha testing and feedback. It's just not profitable.
@ANUBHAV SHARMA No I haven't coded anything related to game development. And I said the ship could be locked by tiers and certain missions, i.e. "to unlock tier 2 ships, win 20 games in any tier 1 ship." I didn't put my hammer down saying anything above, it was a simple "I wish" with some suggestions. I don't get why are you getting so upset. Cheers!
@ANUBHAV SHARMA No problem, man. I get what you're saying with long queue times, I watch some really high MMR DotA 2 streamers and sometimes they straight-up play something else while waiting for a match. Have a great weekend!
Laughs in kaga....
The auxillary mod in slot 1 doenst work with torps only sec and aa...you need Main armament mod 1 for the tubes
its funny that you keep says if you must or stay back with a cv.
I am one of them peps that will go up the middle and if you want to have fun join me but this is a game and it don't matter so push and see how people react when you make them think on the fly!!!
usually its a fail for most when they have to react very quickly . full stop
Thank you for making this video, i was wondering which one should i get marco polo or pommern and this video cleared all my doubts. Gonna get pommern, though still need about 40k coal 😢
Even without this video, Marco Polo is complete garbage my dude hahaha.
Marco polo 9 gun with shotgun dispersion, secondary only pen 15mm, 4,6km AA range, average armor, no smoke
VS
12 gun Pommern (still shotgun dispersion but 12 gun), secondary +IFHE can pen 32mm, 5,2 AA range, heavy armor + torp and Hydro
sooo what do you choose ?
@@dzello i dont know why people of wg official discord said get marco polo 😒
Your build actually makes sense the more I think about it. One gripe I've always had with Pommern since buying it was the maneuvrability, so taking rudder shift does alleviate that somewhat, and that in turn helps you rack up potential damage for that healing skill. I just don't know if it's really a viable option over AR because that dpm increase with every chip off my health is just too invaluable.
I am open to discussion regarding this because demounting upgrades is also free right now.
@Joerg Lange's comment above yours argues the secondary battery reload that's now baked in with the Manual Fire 4pt secondary skill mostly replaces AR's value. With the Pommern, your secondaries are just about as effective as your main armaments in execution not on paper only because the dispersion is so poor.
I guess the question here is would you rather get 3-4 seconds shaved off of your poor dispersion main guns, which, most of the time you're only going to be firing 6 of, or would you like to more readily access your heals?
I can't decide for myself to be honest.
I've been tuning into several different sources for secondary build tweaking during the free respec period.
I'd be interested in playing together over several matches to compare and contrast different arguments/builds?
I can't seem to get used to high tier games, haven't been able to survive long enough for secondary's to do much
i felt like german bb main bat got buffed secretly, im hitting much more citadel now... idk tho
@Potato Quality would Pommern be worth it if I allready have Sharnhorst and Tirptiz B or would it essentially be more of the same?
I was sort of wondering same. Bueller? Bueller?
Trying to make a decision. In Sept 2021 what is the best coal ship at this moment?
Popped up in my recommended again for some reason and I thought I missed a new Pommern buff :(
Why use Pommern if Odin is leaps and bounds better and more comfortable?
a bit sad i bought moskva a couple of weeks back lol
Don't worry man, Moskva is really strong and pretty unique. You can get pretty close to Pommern gameplay by playing the german bb line.
@@zktwo yah, she is pretty good with the leg mod. i mostly just spam massachusets for my sec games hehe.
definitely a fun ship 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 great vid 👏🏼👏🏼😁👌🏻
Yoo PQ, you recycling an older recording? Thought you were gonna pull a sneaky on us? Still, good video!
I had the same dejavu
Ap shells stick on German battleship like flies on a catching ribbon.
Now WG need to give all the other BBs the 22% buff thay gave the Germans and secondary skills to cruisers 😁
Only French BBs needed the buff tho. American brawlers are already pinpoint accurate.
"FdG is a good ship" what?????? It's terrible!!!!
Jan bart?
Do you know how irritating that laughing at your own comments is ahhhaaa sounds so cheesy
should we put IFHE on pommern for the 32mm pen on 105?
So, was it only German secondaries that got the buff, or they buffed secondaries for all?
German secondaries got a buff when the commander rework happened to "make up" for the nerfs, so now they're REALLY good
Is Pommern a interesting sidegrade for someone who owns a GK with legendary upgrade?
Slightly different in that lose some guns power but the torps pack a punch and quite nice that make up for it.
I just got my GK the weekend and Lutjens for it and bought the Leg module as well. Only up to 17 points but hope to get to 21 before respecs end so can respec my 21 point Pommern commander.
Pommern's a nerf compared to GK because you have lower calibre guns, less pen on some of your secondaries, and less health. Pommern's more of a side-grade to FDG rather than GK.
Submarines have arrived!😂 Fun will be interupted
Does anyone have a recommendation for my first coal ship?
Very nice, so Vigilance is added on top of hydro, is that correct? Also Im really looking forward to hear your opinion on Georgia / Ohio sec. builds. I enjoy your content a lot and also like your more humble approach. Like you said in the last video you came off a bit..different in your starting videos and overall this a much nicer, welcoming attitude. Thumbs up man
Proper potato here but building secondary Georgia has been really fun over the last few days - can recommend you try it while respec and module swapping is free!
@@DaMickLNP Oh I agree, been playing it since the patch hit and its just amazing for me
Wish I would have got this instead of the kearsarge
So its time to back to the game after long time non playing it....
Im using the faster heal perk on Yamato and its decent (in some games while having 2 heals left i was already on 62s cd from 76s base, i switched engine mod to fire reduce one + flag = 2 modificators for fire reduce, so 3rd basicly is useless as its diminishing return. I am thinking of switching it to the tier 1 3% DCP/heal perk + Vigilance (as on roma that worked epic) and with 25% more detection of torps even Yamato has better chances to dodge and you cant currently stop thanks to all the present CV's + stupid air strikes etc.
That build would probably also work nice on currywurst.
now why does the Brandenburg feel better?
I'm always sad when hitting 100 secondaries with the german bbs and Günther Lütjens doesnt shoot his flar. :c .... I dont have Günther Lütjens.
Closing in on 24K Subs!
Good that i got it for months...
it is a fun ship. However, have you notice how fast the secondaries take dmg even with AAM1 in slot one? without AAM1 it is ridiculous how fast they take dmg... I not sure if a change was made to pom's mechanics. I don't remember them being this easy to take out.
well explained ... thanks ..