Best Phase of JKD/WC? Yip Man NOT Teaching Bruce Lee? | The Kung Fu Genius Podcast #73
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2022
- Alright peeps, on this 73rd episode of the Kung Fu Genius Podcast, the KFG (aka Alex Richter) will be answering all sorts of hot nonsense from RUclips! Lots of gems, lots of Bruce Lee NOT learning the Wooden Dummy, lots of “Yo Sifu, I need you to solve this hypothetical, existential, drama craziness that we are into, you need to get back like Scott Bakula with the quickness and the thickness!” Let’s get to it!
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Jerry Poteet told me Bruce was asked if there were 108 or 116 moves in the Wooden Dummy form. His answer was depends if they are charging a dollar per move so some teachers probably have more.
Based on my interaction with BL students. Bruce was always testing and developing the JKD core mostly during the Chinatown era while Ted Wong was his experiment because he didn’t have the influence of any other style so he did different theories with him.
As for other athletes visiting him it was to gain different training methods to get an edge over the competition. That sort of thing still happens and sometimes doesn’t work out so well (ex. Rhonda Rousey)
Have you spent much time with Bruce Lee's student e.g. Dan Inosanto, Jerry Poteet, Jesse Glover, Ted Wong. etc. In the 80's. I spent time with many of them and they were quite open about things especially one to one. Recent everyone has clammed up. You said you would love to speak to Linda Lee, but she is so full of BS. Understandably protecting the Bruce Lee Legacy. I love Bruce, but he was human.
I can't believe my comment made it on the podcast, lol... it wasn't even a question. Thanks for the shout out though 😂😂
Which one was it (I forgot)?
"Chan Wai Man is a living legend." My dad says he sees him sometimes in the hakka community.
Yes!!! Awesome comment!
KFG, another great episode! Enjoying the material, and loving the details of your sparring techniques. The good guy, bad guy analogy is so spot on and what we have been doing for years! I concur it is the best way for learning the skills that would applies to practical applications in real self-defense scenarios. Funny, how we do the same thing as vs. the boxer, the wrestler, the street fighter, the surprise attack assailant, etc. It is a known fact that Bruce was big on 'live' training, for techniques without the know how of application in a pressured situation, remain just remain as static techniques giving false pretense to the individual. Also, with the understanding that, having the ability of for the good guy to react going more all out, without fear of hurting partner. With the understanding of: 1) if the bad guy is too heavily padded, they may tend to not react, realistically to receiving blows, for being too protected, thus not feeling any injury and the3 given ability keep coming at you at no end; 2) if the good guy is also heavily padded, this would echo a limitation on free movement due to all the gear on. We found a favorite way is to have good guy, without any gear vs bad guy with light gear as possible and both to all out. If good guy gets hit, well so be it, this teaches one to take the 'live' training seriously, representing more true to life as being the recipient of attacks. The bad guy then, taking whichever role (street fighter, street attacker, boxer, grappler, etc.) can go as hard and heavy as possible, without worrying about injury and yet, to get better and responding with the hits as appropriate as possible as if not wearing any gear at all. I find it helpful to also do shorter sparring drills where there no gear is used (aside from mouth guard and sometimes light TKD type gloves) and conceptually evaluate truer scenarios without hurting each other by going longer.
I so agree that even if 'live' mode, but more every man for themselves onslaught, although maybe fun and live, really teaches no one anything, for every time, things go so differently and it would be false pretense using take aways from such sparring. Sparring with purpose is ideal and so glad you mentioned it. I so believe training martial arts without true sparring is like building and sand castles.
Also, great call on most tending to praise only their legacy of a given art. I personally believe all training is composition of the individual's representation of any given art and training. A personal journey that is understood, practiced and applied uniquely by the individual. And humorous how those who follow Bruce's art which was one free of styles and dogma, end up being dogmatic about their take of his art. Pfffft.
Good day everyone and keep discovering...
Kudos to the KFG and team.
Oh and FYI, we love to place Good guy w/o any gear vs Bad buy with all gear and to assault full throttle. For if good guy does get nailed, he/she deserves to be hit, ha. Eventually the onslaught reaction needs to be worse to the bad guy, thus Needing the gear!!
It was Steven Segal. He even told Bruce to add the leg extension to the dummy to do the Anderson Silva straight kick 😏
I knew segal was GOAT (literally)
36:35 I can tell you based on what I know from Dan inosanto. He says that WING CHUN is the core or essence of JUN FAN JKD. He says that we don’t stick to the structure at all times. Because sometimes a tank is needed in battle. Not a pistol. Sometimes a bazooka is needed. Sometimes an air strike is needed. So sticking to one style only leaves you less protected overall.
Larry hartsell told me Bruce knew 55 movements of wooden dummy that what he was taught
Another great episode! Thanks heaps, KFG and crew!
Sho Kosugi would be fun to bring on and let him talk about the ninja movie craze
Yeah Yuen Wah is cool. What about the KFG's top 10 or whatever 80's Kung Fu flix? Future podcast topic maby ✌️
Good stuff! Great questions. Excellent responses. Thanks!
Damn that’s the best intro I’ve ever seen in a podcast. With lifting punch.
Hey Si Dei. Thanks to your less than lethal punch technique teaching, I was unphased by the slap heard round New York, may I remind you. Dre's got a lot of muscle to work with, but it seems he couldn't punch from the heart. Digressing, let's say- hypothetically; you go to sleep, and awake in a dark room. You can't make out anything but a light seeping through your door way… you reach around for your phone but feel nothing but bed. Your eyes try to adjust as you walk towards the crack of light that is the doorway. As you open the door wider, you are donned in a suit and tie. You are about to host the game show "Who knows more about Bruce Lee?!". You can faintly make out the titles of the contestants: Shannon Lee vs. Beerdy. Suddenly, the ghost of Yip Man approaches you, and says that in order to host this show, and see Beerdy's true appearance in person, you just need to answer with all your knowledge on Sum Nung and Yuen Kay San Wing Chun. What would you say to share your knowledge on that person and style, and what would you ask the contestants to test their knowledge of Bruce Lee?
My old WC teacher told me back in the 70s and back, a sifu wouldn’t allow you to learn wooden dummy unless you been with him for 9 or 10 years.
That’s a bit excessive within the Yip Man Family. Of course if a student is lazy and doesn’t really practice it could take them really long, but a hard-working student waiting 10 years to learn the dummy? There’s some serious dragging out going on there…
Yeah maybe he was BS us, he taught us drills on the wooden dummy and told us times have changed now.
These podcasts r the best I have watched
Would be Louis Delgado the grandmaster Baxter? 😂
Proud to say as a Jeet Kune Do guy I never war or wanted to wear a yellow tracksuit 😅👊
Bruce Lee didn’t know a “little bit” of WC he was immersed into it in one way or anther his whole life
Interesting stories, another great episode
Thanks for answering my question (IASOU2005) about Bruce Lee’s purported shorter/longer leg issue. I’m racking my brain for another good question👍
In Hong Kong at 73 period he was basically fencing structure he preferred to eye jab training with goggles he even prefers fencing structure footwork
I'm enjoying what I'm hearing and I really like the idea of your school. May check it out one day. I'm a JKD guy that loves and respects Wing Chun.👊
Great podcast. 👍
It’s considered very out of place to pressure your teachers for advancement
I agree with your dislike with the title Master 😅👍. I prefer to be called Sifu (as in instructor) . Because I'm just instructing you and how to go about doing what I'm showing you which is basically what I know. Once had a very competitive argument with an older martial artists who was my co-instructor had a dojo a few years ago. Our disagreement about that pretty much led to us not really working together anymore I feel. But he wanted me to proclaim to being a master like he does, but I told him I don't see myself as a master I see myself as a Sifu . because I felt like saying that I'm a master's like trying to proclaim that I know everything, and that I'm infallible, for which I'm not. 😐
Watched this twice. Hilarious.
Delgado lived in Brooklyn
FIST OF FURY at the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema😀
Chieh Yuan actor in Game Of Death also died of cerebral edema aged 32 in November 1977. Coincidence?
Yes, coincidence.
Another good episode,I'm a Star wars fan too.Piss poor Wing chun /star wars pun alert...
The empire strikes Fak.
The return of the Jed I P man!(sorry)
47:54 sir you be Ball******
Just finished listening on Spotify. Thanks for answering my question.
Hope you and the family are having a great time in Orlando. When you travel there from NYC, do you take 95 the whole way?
Pretty much!
@@TheKungFuGenius If you are interested, I can give you a good suggestion on where to go to avoid driving through DC if you like?
Apparently Jesse Glover was also very fast. Sifu Emin used to say the nobody could stop his backfist. Is it true that Euro lat sau was partially based on what they learned from Jesse?
That’s the rumor.
Thank you gents for another great episode (#73). Question. It has been alluded to several times that the KFG has an extensive library. If for some crazy Dreison-esqe hypothetical reason a person could only have one Wing Chun book what would you recommend? If this hypothetical extended to martial arts books in general would your quintessential book pick be something outside of specifically Wing Chun? Thanks!
I have a not quite so extensive library of WC books (about 30) and I think you'll do a lot of hunting to find anything better than those written by Sifu Alex Richter.
@@KungFuRustle I have three of Sifu Richter's books and I wholeheartedly agree that the quality and value is top notch. But how boring (and vain) would it be if you asked Spielberg what movie he thought was best and he said Jaws? I think it would be much more interesting and educational to hear his take on a movie that to him checks all the boxes whether it's a classic or obscure gem. Then you learn something about both him and cinema in general.
@@mikebowman830 Haha yes understand one hundred percent. I mostly dropped Alex's books as a suggestion because I suspected he wouldn't (not being vain). I am equally interested in what book/s the KFG recommends and I have already noted a few from previous episodes that were mentioned - tracking down copies is less easy.
Congratulations Dre for your Sifu nomination 🎉👏👏👏
I take advantage to ask a questioN for the next kfg podcast : what was the rule in the old days to become Sifu in the Chinese martial arts circle, especially in Wing Tsun, and what is the rules today in our modern era, as for example in City Wing Tsun?
Bruce had a wooden dummy at Ruby Chow's. If he didn't know any wooden dummy techniques, then what kind of things would he have been doing on it?
His version of stuff he saw other people doing
Think about it, he studied under Yip Man, dude I am 100% sure he saw things and did them in that school that far surpass what we think..
Beerdy is the foremost expert on Grandmaster Baxter
Facts
Sifu Alex your podcast is probably the best martial arts podcast I listen to. I have a fantasy scenario for you, place yourself in the roll of Bruce Lee in Enter The Dragon but it’s not a movie, it’s real. Who would you pick for the rolls of Roper and Williams?
Michael Jai White?
Wesley Snipes ?
Erik Paulson?
Jean-Jacques Machado?
Or
Jean-Claude VanDamme
Dre, your the man, who did you train JKD with?
Great hypothetical!
That’s a smart way to do it ..
Great podcasts. Thanks for the hours of knowledge and entertainment. Question for a future podcast. We know that Wing Chun is for self-defense. And we know a lot of fighters have adapted Wing Chun into fighting sports I.E. MMA. Also Kareem Abdul Jabbar adapted Wing Chun/JKD footwork to basketball. I love football and I noticed they use a dummy in practice that looks like the jong Wing Chun uses. Major complaints for college defensive linemen going into the NFL is "poor hand use". My question is: have you thought about trying to adapt Wing some Wing Chun techniques into other sports like football?
I am not a WIng Chun expert on the 3 different stages of Yip Mans teachings, heard and read about it but not quite sure how long each of those periods really were, in terms of time spent and students produced from each of those different time periods. In Lee´s case he spend teaching/running schools 4 yrs in Seattle, 2 yrs in Oakland and 2 yrs in Los Angeles. Considering the times and circumstances most of the regular students could be rated as yellow-green belts compared to orthodox MA standards. Today most of the serious or experienced exponents developed their skills after Lee´s demise and had time to comprehend and refine his teachings. I liked your insights that reflect that is not about the quantity of information (completing the style) you have acquired but how much did you grasp of the idea that is transmitted. Keep up the great podcast. Regards to your awesome team.
Thank you!
They say that master Yip and for the most part it was 3/4 months on each of the first 3 wing chun forms. This is to learn. Not master them. Then Chi Sao. Prior to the 1950's this was general teaching. Everything else was private closed door by the master only
Sir what do you think about Paul Vunak s trapping range skills / knowledge etc . He has videos on that. ?
I think he’s skillful and knowledgeable, I benefitted greatly from his videos as a teenager.
A 2 parter 🤙 As you probably well know from your MA experience, even though in theory they shouldn’t be, being able to execute your techniques in the confines of the relative safety of dojo sparring and being able execute them in a RL confrontation where the consequences are more severe are 2 different things. Have you ever have a student recount such an event? And if so how do you incorporate that preparedness or instil that attitude into your KFG teaching practice whereby their hesitancy to pull the trigger are minimised. Thanks in advance 👊
Great question
Sup KFG, I read and downloaded a pdf file by Jesse glover created back in 1978 called "Between wing chun and jeet kune do" it reveals the true origins of wing chun and how bruce told Jesse about the secret pressure testing on chi Sao do you think that book is a reliable source on bruce lee?
Pretty reliable
What is powerbase wing Chun?
Ohhh shh.. caught one
Hi Alex great job hope you’re well , Just too give you a heads up I nearly had a heart attack , when I found out . Bruce Lee s late brother Peter Lee moved to Melbourne Australia and became a professor at Melbourne university he died in 2008 watching a show about Bruce ps both David Peterson and I taught w c , there for our original sifu , take care
Oh dear there's going to be a whole lot of hot nonsense in this one! (Not just from RUclips) lol. Time to Don a tin hat!!
Sun Tzu vs Miyamoyo Musashi .
When I met Bruce Lee 😆
I've heard that Chi Sao is so different even between even Wong Shun Leong and Leung Ting lineages that it is very difficult to exchange with each other. Any truth to this, and also, have you ever had the opportunity to exchange Chi Sao with any Jun Fan Gung Fu guys?
33:14 See, my idea of a good gung fu wether it be wing chun or jkd is.. something new and different. With layers and layers of technique. But some kind of new technology of the body (hand and foot) elbow and knee. So to me. Shooting my opponent with my hand was my idea. Punches that are set up in such a way so that I can explode through in them.
Great Podcast. Why don't you invite people on your podcast and interview them just like Viking Samurai.
As I’ve said multiple times on this podcast - interview episodes tank.
1:24:38 lol
Hi Sifu Alex, i know you are very busy and you cant reply to all questions, but i would like to ask you about your opinion about this. I chosed this clip since its your newest about Lee. When Robert and Grace were interviewed by Geraldo Rivera in 1975, Robert said Bruce stated once: "Lord help me. Let me bring the Chinese, you know, in equality with the other races". I never gave it much of a thought...but do you think it could be Bruce indeed believed in god or the lord, but only acted public like he didnt because for some reason felt ashmed for it? Or do you think he was an 100% atheist and Robert made that thing up? I dont think you could mistaken a quote like this with something else. Cheers
Even declaring oneself atheist in 2022 still draws ire from religious zealots. Imagine admitting that in the 60s and 70s? I doubt very highly he would’ve said he was an atheist publicly if he actually believed privately. That was a dangerous time to admit you didn’t believe in almighty big brother above.
Yes i agree! Thanks very much for your reply! :)
You know as European (German) it scares me a little bit what is going on right now the USA. I dont like these two decision from the past week about gun laws and abortions. Seems like some very fanatical religious people are in power and make the decisions. If i am correct, its basically now allowed to wear a gun in your pocket in New York when you walk around, even if you go shopping etc.. I would feel very uncomfortable knowing anyone around me could have a gun with him. And with the abortion too. It can happen that a 15 years old girl and boy have sex dont use protection and she gets pregnant. In a case like that she should have the choice to have an abortion otherwise its like balckmail and can destroy her life. But only my humble opinion.
My Sifu learnt in Master Ips school. His teacher was Chu Shong Tin ( my grandmaster) who taught him privately for most of his time learning . Master Ip did very little directly with the students. The senior students, Sifu Lok , Leong , Chu , Wong , and others taught the the students. Wong sifu taught Bruce.
There maybe some misunderstanding with regard to terminologies. Master, grand Master, great grand master. The term grand is added as reference to where the master sits in a schools family lineage. e.g. father , grandfather, great grandfather, etc ..
The prefix isn’t meant to refer to the teachers level of skill or ability. The term master ( Sifu ) is used to reference a very high level of skill & understanding. And only then as recognition of ones ability to teach.
The word grand has been widely misunderstood
I agree with everything you say, however I am specifically referring to a group of people who are referring to themselves as Grandmasters. This is the very specific context than which my argument is built.
@@TheKungFuGenius yes. I fully agree. I have also noticed this .
Ye Wen (Yip Man ) show and teach Bruce wooden dummy basic via WSL . Wong Shun Leung , Duncan Leung , Hawkins Cheung and even a weird version of William Cheung (Bruce spent three months only with William and they repeated every day fighing arts of Wing Chun ...William was prepared by Yip Man for street fights and Beimo) . Bruce learned advance Wooden Dummy from Duncan Leung , Hawkins Cheung and requested Yip Man some special touch (Phoebe Lee talk on youtube in a weird chinglish what Bruce talk about "chi" ..."jin"...shin and other stuff) . Yip Man tech only a few students all details about Wing Chun (yeah is not secret in Wing Chun all you have to do is to work hard ...blablabla ...but if you work wrong ?) : Shun Leung , Wong Shun Leung , Moy Yat , (was a guy with a huge fist ...lol) and some other ...I think not more than ten . OK . Maybe I talk bullshit but here it is : Yip Man learn from Yuen Kai San his friend from childhood : chi-sao , baat chum dao , dummy (jin and chi ) and throwing darts and knives (see in Way of the Dragon Bruce Lee) . YKS made Yip swear and promise to keep them a secret, because they were received by an imperial spy. This is why Yip modified WC and dummy many time and learn in a weird manner .
My goodness, they only know how to make things up about Yip Man, let's see Yuen Kai San, Yiu Choi and Yip Man trained together in Ng Chun So's class, that is more than known in Fatshan circles, Yip Man's Muk Yan Jong is the same as Leung Jan's descendants do as well as knives and very different from how they do in the Yuen Kai San lineage. It seems that in your lineage they like to lie, start training and stop lying.
How should a master respond when challenged to fight. Or when we’re disrespected, and told we don’t know nothing. It won’t work. So do we have the right to call people out on the bull shhhh
Why wouldn't Steven Thompson not be on the list. He started in a traditional martial art and transitioned into a world class fighter. And has his own podcast so the content would be fire.
Absolutely! it’s been a few weeks since I recorded this episode which part are you referring to here?
Bruce left Hong Kong April 1959 knowing Sil Lum Tao and half of Chum Kiu. And Chi Sao. So he was a bit away from the Mook.
In all fairness he was in Private Catholic prep St Francis Xavier's high school, taking Cha Cha lessons and filming 9 movies he starred or co-starred in between 1954 and 1959. So depending on who's story you believe as to when he began Wing Chun (cough could 15 years old) that's between 4 and 9 movies.
Dolly Pardon.. 😎☝️
Yessir
👍❤️👏👌
Just ruined enter the dragon for me thought it was all Sijo Bruce
Sorry for that! I thought it was pretty common knowledge…
Arrogant (opening ? ) … that’s what I dislike , which Bruce Lee didn’t teach to any one… .. Thus a minute is more than enough to watch it…
No idea what’s going on here
That is what happens to the human brain if you watch _Beerdy's_ channel and try to make sense of the misinformation, disinformation & BS.
He could be praising and/or reproaching Yip Man, Bruce Lee or KFG.
Also there are some people who are not on the introspective end of the spectrum… They hear my opening and think that I seriously consider myself unstoppable or unbeatable. I’m always blown away by people who don’t see the very obvious sarcasm, and decide to take that as a serious claim on my part. I think how people react to the KFG opener is an intelligence test
LOL ...Brandon have 15 kilos in that photo ...just born?
😂dra drama 🎭 😆
how about shannon lee as a guest???
The question is how important is the wooden dummy practice in teaching WC, or in being able to fight? I would say it's not that important. Remember the legend is that WC was first passed along by females. Is it the footwork and angles or the power of the core that makes WC a good fighting art. Or is it?
No that’s not the question - it’s literally about whether he learned it. No one is discussing the dummy’s utility in the overall scheme of fighting - that’s a separate topic and not implied by what’s being discussed here.
@@TheKungFuGenius Sorry, you are correct. I should have said 'a relevant question is...". To me once you know 'how' to work the dummy, the actual sequences are not relevant. Some techniques are in sections, as a 'step-trap-press-punch' but otherwise you really could make up the sequences once you know the feel and reason and method. You could free-form it and it would be just as effective as a training tool. Again, you have to have the 'internal know-how' and the 'why' but then you can do it on the fly. In fact the 'next step' should be free-flow with no thought just internalized right movement.
So what!
Triggered by the thumbnail without watching the video
You might find this interview with Chan Wai Man interesting: ruclips.net/video/ZW9P7z-fr4Y/видео.html
Seen it!
IS IT HWANG JANG LEE??,!!! C'mon Bro!!!
First.
Werd