Hi Winter, The term “Destiny cloudfist” dates back to the early days of WoL, when HuskyStarcraft wanted a more interesting name than “the 1/1/1” to describe this Terran build, and came up with it during one of his casts. Great cast as usual
The most overpowered unit in this game is the "humble" medivac. No other unit so profoundly changes the dynamic of any engagement it's in. Because of the medivac, Terran armies are actually *more* mobile than Zerg armies. Zerg units are weak in fights to make up for their "mobility" while Terran units are strong to make up for their immobility, and yet the medivac makes Terran units more mobile than Zerg ones. Make it make sense.
Winter in thumbnail: "This NEW Mutalisk strategy is iNsAnE!" Winter in video: "Yep. Two gasses at the natural means mutas ...Spirit susses it out..." And then we see why mutalisks are bad at the highest level.
AND WHO, you might ask, can mine that 150 minerals in front of the rich gas gyser faster than any other race? - Exactly, Terran! Cause Terran having a 65% win ratio on most maps doesnt stop the balance counsil from dropping balance gems like this.
Makes you wonder if it's a good idea to publish a new map pool with the balance patch. Makes it difficult to determine if there's an issue with the map or the patch. Maybe we have a 3 month delay for new maps?
e.g. "[talking about overlords blood] lots of tomato sauce in this matchup, goes well with the cheese. there's plenty of wine(whine) though" chefs kiss
not really, because queens are more expensive, and you'd need those injects (or at least it would be better to) At that point- it's actually weaker, less drones
The new mutalisk strategy of building them then losing the game pretty much instantly even if you drag out the game for a while? I think that's technically an old strategy.
i love that at the grandmaster level the bunker race is always on attack the locust race is always on defense the tech/advanced race that hase no right angles in their floorplans is always trying to build a wall
I think the fix for mutas would simply be making them a bit cheaper. Would still need quite a bit commitment to field them...but they appear crazy expensive as they are, and they are countered so hard by every T or P early game unit
35:30 "Down goes one banshee" I was soooo confused. Where is Brenda? Why isn't she screaming to get off creep? Who am i even watching. So many questions
I think Rogue just completely disrespected Spirit here, and end up loosing stupidly. It remind me of Maru vs scarlett last year, bold strategies like "peuh, average western player, I can do what I want" and just get crushed against someone prepared for the match up.
@@pio-ma-i Because base Zerg units are so weak and Protoss and Terran late game defense is so strong, they need strong casters. Eventually your late game becomes strongly caster centered - you must have Broods, or Infestors, or Vipers, or sometimes all three just to stay competitive. It's not like Protoss or Terran who can get away with fewer caster groups, and in the Terran case, their casters are tough fighting units on their own, and they haven't felt a need to build Ravens in years. How you square this circle, I don't know. Zerg production needs to be high to play a swarm style, but that means weak units, and weak units against strong defense is just wasting resources. Zergs barely have early game map presence without significant mistakes by the other two races, because they're spending their resources trying to hold off constant pressure. Can't make Zerg units stronger without nerfing production, but there's no way to make Zerg units produce less that does anything against even modest defense. I just don't see any Zerg other than Serral (who plays near perfectly every game) or Dark (who just drags people into the mud with him) having any kind of success.
I would say the supply drop could be, if your fast enough and trained enough. It could give a few extra seconds to move units to were the "supply chew toy" is protecting.
There's never a time its the preferred option Unless you are literally no higher than silver and have an allergic reaction to repairing, I see no time ever it is the preferred choice Even if it's to drop mules and have an scv or two permanently at the wall - and if that isn't enough, supply drop *isn't* saving it
32:38 raynor has 500-900 apm but his epm is less than 200. raynor is washed up now and just spams keys. he also pointlessly spams the apm trick of holding ctrl or shift + numbers. this counts as 2 keys pressed instead of one which immensely increases apm.
furst map diff between Clem and Spirit shown here Clem would know and non stop pressure and just kill zerg no breathing room Spirit is more M Ali type fighter and Clem definitly Mike tyson punch the hell out of the opponent
The bonus game really highlights the anti-turtling changes from the balance council. They really hit the nail on the head when it comes to preventing Terran turtle.
"This NEW Mutalisk Strategy" is normal mutalisk-zergling that has been around for like 20+ years in SC1 and 14+ years for SC2. Such terrible garbage clickbait.
winter, a suggestion: stop saying "sorry i blacked out for a moment" and "and ill probably do it anyways because i dont know what else I would do with my life." i like the queen bits other than the repetitive blacking out parts and understand u have to ask for likes/subs bc this is youtube. would greatly improve viewing experience ps: i liked the video
Hi Winter,
The term “Destiny cloudfist” dates back to the early days of WoL, when HuskyStarcraft wanted a more interesting name than “the 1/1/1” to describe this Terran build, and came up with it during one of his casts.
Great cast as usual
whoosh
I hate how Husky removed his channel. That's what a whiff of pussy does to a guy.
Winter, i am once again demanding a Gumiho Battle Cruiser game.
I second this
Third!
He played at Homestory Cup on the weekend, so we'll probably get some replays soon, but I don't know if he used BCs.
Had an awful day, couldn't sleep. Said "fuck it", jumped back on the pc and started watching my daily dose of Winter, feeling better already.
Just coming back to your vids after a year or two of being afk. Thanks Winter. Love your commentary and insight. Peace and love my brother.
I'm still trying to figure out if Jimmy is an actual coworker or just a figment of Winter's... creative imagination.
Winter Is actually schizophrenic
He's as real as Brenda
The most overpowered unit in this game is the "humble" medivac. No other unit so profoundly changes the dynamic of any engagement it's in. Because of the medivac, Terran armies are actually *more* mobile than Zerg armies.
Zerg units are weak in fights to make up for their "mobility" while Terran units are strong to make up for their immobility, and yet the medivac makes Terran units more mobile than Zerg ones. Make it make sense.
Here‘s an idea for a Balance Patch: remove afterburners
Rogue rushing hive and die to Marrine Tank push is like Maru doing 3CC build and die to Rogue Ravager push.
Thanks, you’re getting the crown for the high spot in most of my days lately for the past few months. Ty good sir
43:34 bwahhahahha ya know both players were giggling in back of their heads
I wish everytime he asked for the like count the "This is Jimmy" sound bite played
Thanks winter !
For viewers : the game in the thumbnail is the last one at 38:23
Winter in thumbnail: "This NEW Mutalisk strategy is iNsAnE!"
Winter in video: "Yep. Two gasses at the natural means mutas ...Spirit susses it out..." And then we see why mutalisks are bad at the highest level.
*why Terran naturally counters every build if you don't make a massive mistake
Ftfy
15:30 double Bly card back ground
AND WHO, you might ask, can mine that 150 minerals in front of the rich gas gyser faster than any other race? - Exactly, Terran! Cause Terran having a 65% win ratio on most maps doesnt stop the balance counsil from dropping balance gems like this.
Makes you wonder if it's a good idea to publish a new map pool with the balance patch. Makes it difficult to determine if there's an issue with the map or the patch. Maybe we have a 3 month delay for new maps?
@@ImNotPhillSwift yeah, but those were obviously terran-oriented maps
your commentary has grown from expert to artwork, gg
e.g. "[talking about overlords blood] lots of tomato sauce in this matchup, goes well with the cheese. there's plenty of wine(whine) though"
chefs kiss
I'm so excited for the replays for this whole week! Thanks Winter!
The ultra going off its diet plan...?!?! Thats hilarious!!
Hatcherys on sale? Guess the 5 hatch slow ling all in just got stronger :)
not really, because queens are more expensive, and you'd need those injects (or at least it would be better to)
At that point- it's actually weaker, less drones
@@PJOZeus I didn't say the build was good, just that it became stronger.
You have the most knowledge and best and most humour with commentary it's truly the best there is 😂
Destiny Cloud Fist! That brings me back xD
43:00 I actually laughed out loud
Thank you so much Winter for your unit ad-libs, they are HILARIOUS!! 😂😂😂
The Court of Queens and Billy's Boys get me everytime 🎉
The new mutalisk strategy of building them then losing the game pretty much instantly even if you drag out the game for a while? I think that's technically an old strategy.
Impressive play by Spirit! Rogue is no slouch...
52:35 shouldn't the medivacs take damage from the second mine shot? the splash damage is to both air the ground I'm pretty sure
"Yeah, you really need to get those upgrades."
-Shin.
Bro you are hilarious, I come for the commentary just as much the sweet game play
Please cast Gumi vs Clem bc series and Serral vs Maru from HSC
i love that at the grandmaster level
the bunker race is always on attack
the locust race is always on defense
the tech/advanced race that hase no right angles in their floorplans is always trying to build a wall
Always gotta comment for the algo. Love the content Winter you reliably make my day a good bit better.
2:05 we owe so much to husky getting annoyed at having to say 1 1 1 all day and pulling a great name out of the aether
My new year's resolution is to watch more Winter
Spirit gging bwfore his army is even compleyely gone is quite the change
on liquipedia it says the ultra speed nerf was wrong and instead of .53 slower it was reduced only to .73
31:09 TvT maru vs gumiho
Please i know mirrors are not favored but please consider it.
Thank you!
three missile turrets and a Thor! three missile turrets and a Thor!
I think the fix for mutas would simply be making them a bit cheaper. Would still need quite a bit commitment to field them...but they appear crazy expensive as they are, and they are countered so hard by every T or P early game unit
Jimmy 4 president ! Haha like always thanks for my morning content while getting the coffee ready
Never underestimate the ability of the Moota to Cheese.
Well played.
If that Queens sacrifice at 43:30 doesn't make everyone like and subscribe I don't know what will
So what's the new Muta strategy?
Not sure if Winter is just creative with his blackouts or if his Zerg mutation is reaching the critical stages.
We always ask Jimmy what we are at show Brenda some love and ask her 😂
35:30 "Down goes one banshee" I was soooo confused. Where is Brenda? Why isn't she screaming to get off creep? Who am i even watching. So many questions
I always watch this before knee surgery
Where is Serral ?
He only plays in bigger prize pool tournaments and there haven't been any lately just these smaller online cups
Good content.
Thank You
Om nom nom
Thank You for the anti-spoiler bonus game. It's always fun to be surprised, no matter what the outcome.
funny that huskys wife is beefing with mr beat tho lol
I think Rogue just completely disrespected Spirit here, and end up loosing stupidly. It remind me of Maru vs scarlett last year, bold strategies like "peuh, average western player, I can do what I want" and just get crushed against someone prepared for the match up.
19:20 YOU SAID THIS WAS A NEW STRATEGY
I'm a simple man, I see mootas in thumbnail, I click.
Tbf if I ser a winter video in general I click lol
Winter, you have mentioned that Zerg just isn't fun to play anymore. What would you do to change that?
he said that he doesnt like the "babysit your caster" gameplay and wants zerg to be swarmy again.
@@theanti-hypemonitor9079What does “babysit your caster” mean?
@@pio-ma-i Because base Zerg units are so weak and Protoss and Terran late game defense is so strong, they need strong casters. Eventually your late game becomes strongly caster centered - you must have Broods, or Infestors, or Vipers, or sometimes all three just to stay competitive. It's not like Protoss or Terran who can get away with fewer caster groups, and in the Terran case, their casters are tough fighting units on their own, and they haven't felt a need to build Ravens in years.
How you square this circle, I don't know. Zerg production needs to be high to play a swarm style, but that means weak units, and weak units against strong defense is just wasting resources. Zergs barely have early game map presence without significant mistakes by the other two races, because they're spending their resources trying to hold off constant pressure. Can't make Zerg units stronger without nerfing production, but there's no way to make Zerg units produce less that does anything against even modest defense. I just don't see any Zerg other than Serral (who plays near perfectly every game) or Dark (who just drags people into the mud with him) having any kind of success.
@@KingOfNebbishes Haha I thought "caster" refers to people like Winter, who cast games. I get it now and I agree completely.
Let's get this man to 1475 likes
I would say the supply drop could be, if your fast enough and trained enough. It could give a few extra seconds to move units to were the "supply chew toy" is protecting.
There's never a time its the preferred option
Unless you are literally no higher than silver and have an allergic reaction to repairing, I see no time ever it is the preferred choice
Even if it's to drop mules and have an scv or two permanently at the wall - and if that isn't enough, supply drop *isn't* saving it
MaxPax has show herself on home story cup
Where’s the Protoss games??? 🤔
Please cast the finals of Homestory cup
I still think that Ultralisk should be able to kill widow mines just walking on them.
R.I.P. destiny cloud fist....
All dogs go to heaven
I'm a simple man, I see Mootas in the title, I click!
Those mootalisk look like a tree 🌳.
Can they steal the diamonds and gold from eldorado?
32:38 raynor has 500-900 apm but his epm is less than 200. raynor is washed up now and just spams keys.
he also pointlessly spams the apm trick of holding ctrl or shift + numbers. this counts as 2 keys pressed instead of one which immensely increases apm.
Nice 👍
Winter train an AI model to cast like you, there is not enough of you on the internet.
Stay well and keep casting.
I was expecting an actually awesome Muta rush ... =(
edit : alright that came later ^^
furst map diff between Clem and Spirit shown here Clem would know and non stop pressure and just kill zerg no breathing room Spirit is more M Ali type fighter and Clem definitly Mike tyson punch the hell out of the opponent
Rogue so good and fun
I would say 'i see mutas, I click like'
But really it's 'I see a new winter video, I click like'
This is just...
extra like
5 likes
Oh no, 38 likes short from another video 😢
I watch this for the brenda skits
Is it just me or is Zerg winning a lot?
I am gonna like n subscribe but the imaginary conversations creeped me out 😢 is this the meta on cc nowadays?
The bonus game really highlights the anti-turtling changes from the balance council. They really hit the nail on the head when it comes to preventing Terran turtle.
Which is unfortunate, because for a new person turtling is most often the most fun. Now which race does someone turtle with?
BRENDAAAHHH NOOOOO
20:10 mass muta game
37:05 Terran'ed
Making Mutas. Unheard of! Has anyone seen Mutas before?!? What is this even??
Day 57 of thank you winter
Soup 86
The click bait is getting wild in here
I fucking hate terran holy shit its SO OP
"This NEW Mutalisk Strategy" is normal mutalisk-zergling that has been around for like 20+ years in SC1 and 14+ years for SC2. Such terrible garbage clickbait.
winter, a suggestion: stop saying "sorry i blacked out for a moment" and "and ill probably do it anyways because i dont know what else I would do with my life." i like the queen bits other than the repetitive blacking out parts and understand u have to ask for likes/subs bc this is youtube.
would greatly improve viewing experience
ps: i liked the video
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36 likes after 10 min, Winter fell off fr. But we stand strong 💯😔
Haven’t seen a rogue game in a minute. Perfect time too for lunch 🫡
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