I'm also wondering if SOHC can have a similar condition. Eyeballing a sprocket line with a notch in a plastic cover that bolts on (LH bank) suggests to me there's a real chance of cumulative error, thus absolute perfection is not always realistic?
Yea I couldn’t figure out why this happened on my 08 i spent about an hour turning the engine over thinking I messed up by one tooth or something then I just sent it and it was fine. If you do everything right your good don’t over think it.
Thank you …… thought I was going insane . Just a thought though?? Would it be better if you slightly advance the exhaust cam so to compensate for the grenade tensioner? Cheers big man . Sf5 fozzy ej205 turbo
TLDR : yes, so long as everything is timed relative to your offset, you can do the timing belt a just about any crank angle if your careful and precise. Just did mine today, all 3 idlers were of fidget spinner status with enough side slot to use any of them as maracas (bullet dodged), the tencioner was rather unhappy, water pump in good condition, the old belt was at lest not soaked in oil as had been my thought when I saw the oil leak that initiated the surgery, not bad for an engine my friend and I slapped together 10 years ago with used parts, I'm also a noob and didn't tighten my oil filter that last 1/4 turn so it was leaking just enough oil when warm and the oil pressure was high to make it onto everything behind it, and not leaking from the cam/crank seals (skipped them because I'm planing to harvest the short block for a another car this spring/summer), though I need to get me some more crush washers for upcoming oil changes, current one is seeping ever so slightly. First timing belt ever, friends Subaru (2002 WRX wagon) we went through the who shebang "its half a tooth off," "how the F can it be 1/2 a tooth off its a toothed belt!" Literally had to move the cams 1 tooth in each direction to see how it laid to go "dam, it was good the first time" and then drive very timidly till the new tencioner came in cause after 5 or 6 rounds of re-compressing it (faster and faster since the light was running out) figured it was better to just replace it asap. I used some binder clips to just hold the belt on the DS cam once I had it set , but my DSEX cam was happy to just sit in the correct spot, intake not so much. On a different model it was such a PITA that I turned the crank just enough to get it so sit happy and just mentally went "OK it is very important I time everything is 1 tooth counterclockwise from correct cause F that cam not sitting still otherwise".
I did manage to line it all 99.9% without the 1 tooth shift on the drivers side, maybe just a 1mm on the passenger side, but minimal :) I'm just not sure if the timing belt marks were correctly, had to move the pass side one tooth to properly tension, no slack anywhere. Any comment?
So I changed my timing belt and water pump. I made sure everything was lined up before removing with the exception of the cams being difficult but finally got them to stay still long enough to put belt on. Now my engine knocks and dod not do that before belt change. What happened and how do I correct this
@@Sprdave5 check compression, you may turn the wrong way, you only can turn the way it jump! my friend did this before, but the engine back to normal later. it usually jump anticlockwise to about 7 o'clock.
I have a 11 subaru impreza wrx 2.5 turbo engine. I replace the timing belt and time it right on the marks and did everything right. I drive it for a week and when back to see if the timing marks was right on. And it was all off like 4 tooth off. What dose that mean?
Thanks! Great video! Just a question: as I noticed in the video, between both left sprockets there are a little difference in the marks, that's a normal condition as you said. I installed the belt, and I got the same difference between marks, BUT in the right sprockets, left sprockets' marks are perfectly alligned. It also a normal condition? Thanks again. Greetings.
Yeah well I did mine on 1995 all was lined up until I turned engine over 4 times and it seems 1/2 a tooth out on passenger side cam but all other points match up , mine is where it has double lines meeting each other on the cams so I’m still insure it it’s normal worries about hitting valves if i start it up what you think ??
@@thedeesta 1/2 tooth is normal, I also have this difference between teeth and it runs perfect. But I was nervous to run the engine before watching this video xD
@@MarcGyverIt i had the sprockets aligned, installed the tool and did everything else while the sprockets stayed put. It was more of a worry doing the other side with gears that could spin to any place with the slightest nidge
We had a similar find on a 4g63 turns out the O'Reilly headgasket was thinner budy bought a headgasket from Mitsubishi and the half tooth difference was gone not saying that's the issue here just funny
I was freaking out and then watched this, now I can sleep again!
Lol same
i timed my ej 2 times and same shit kept happening after id rotate the motor, was starting to get really worried. Thanks for the awesome video!
Thank you! I heard you guys are the best around. I'm a couple hours away. I'm doing my timing belt and related parts tomorrow.
You indeed eased my worry about this. Thank you very much
very good! Easy to understand great presentation!
Thanks, I'm going through this exact scenario right now and I was a bit worried until I saw this!
thankyou best video on this... you are saving the NEWBS!!!!!
thnak you mate I did it 5 times yesterday, gave up and was gonna just send it
Awesome video and very informative! Thank you a lot!
Does this apply to soho engines too?
saved my day, thanks
My 1998 subaru forrester blew a cam pullybafter I started it just like you had it pictured. Now that subie is in the junk yard.
I'm also wondering if SOHC can have a similar condition. Eyeballing a sprocket line with a notch in a plastic cover that bolts on (LH bank) suggests to me there's a real chance of cumulative error, thus absolute perfection is not always realistic?
Yea I couldn’t figure out why this happened on my 08 i spent about an hour turning the engine over thinking I messed up by one tooth or something then I just sent it and it was fine. If you do everything right your good don’t over think it.
There is a pulley you can buy that is adjustable one is for the left and the other is for the right.
This is a public service announcement!
I had my timing right, but saw that one tooth was off by like half a tooth so I started over and messed up the timing for no reason🤦♂️
thanks man for taking the time
thanks for this Video ! Greets from Germany
Thanks Chase!
Following for more tips
Thank you …… thought I was going insane . Just a thought though?? Would it be better if you slightly advance the exhaust cam so to compensate for the grenade tensioner? Cheers big man . Sf5 fozzy ej205 turbo
TLDR : yes, so long as everything is timed relative to your offset, you can do the timing belt a just about any crank angle if your careful and precise.
Just did mine today, all 3 idlers were of fidget spinner status with enough side slot to use any of them as maracas (bullet dodged), the tencioner was rather unhappy, water pump in good condition, the old belt was at lest not soaked in oil as had been my thought when I saw the oil leak that initiated the surgery, not bad for an engine my friend and I slapped together 10 years ago with used parts, I'm also a noob and didn't tighten my oil filter that last 1/4 turn so it was leaking just enough oil when warm and the oil pressure was high to make it onto everything behind it, and not leaking from the cam/crank seals (skipped them because I'm planing to harvest the short block for a another car this spring/summer), though I need to get me some more crush washers for upcoming oil changes, current one is seeping ever so slightly.
First timing belt ever, friends Subaru (2002 WRX wagon) we went through the who shebang "its half a tooth off," "how the F can it be 1/2 a tooth off its a toothed belt!" Literally had to move the cams 1 tooth in each direction to see how it laid to go "dam, it was good the first time" and then drive very timidly till the new tencioner came in cause after 5 or 6 rounds of re-compressing it (faster and faster since the light was running out) figured it was better to just replace it asap.
I used some binder clips to just hold the belt on the DS cam once I had it set , but my DSEX cam was happy to just sit in the correct spot, intake not so much. On a different model it was such a PITA that I turned the crank just enough to get it so sit happy and just mentally went "OK it is very important I time everything is 1 tooth counterclockwise from correct cause F that cam not sitting still otherwise".
thank you for making this video
Got the timing belt changed on My 08 wrx, ran good but then didn’t start anymore and looks just like this
Dude thank you man thank you Thank you. You rock thank you brother
Thanks for the wisdom
Thank man you just saved me
Thank you for the video
I did manage to line it all 99.9% without the 1 tooth shift on the drivers side, maybe just a 1mm on the passenger side, but minimal :) I'm just not sure if the timing belt marks were correctly, had to move the pass side one tooth to properly tension, no slack anywhere. Any comment?
So I changed my timing belt and water pump. I made sure everything was lined up before removing with the exception of the cams being difficult but finally got them to stay still long enough to put belt on. Now my engine knocks and dod not do that before belt change. What happened and how do I correct this
when you remove the belt, did you right hand top cam gear jump turn?
@@alanw5812 yes
@@Sprdave5 check compression, you may turn the wrong way, you only can turn the way it jump! my friend did this before, but the engine back to normal later.
it usually jump anticlockwise to about 7 o'clock.
@@Sprdave5 David, did you get this fixed?
I wish i had seen this the first time i did mine
How to know number one clyinder when timing belt is off and accidentally turned the engine ?
Would that damage the valves?
Thanks Bro! I had a this problem. 8)
Can this cause one of any cylinder have misfires? Recently a shop changed my cuz a belt skipped a tooth but im having roughness in cylinder 2 only.
Ok I’m no longer in panic mode lol
I have a 11 subaru impreza wrx 2.5 turbo engine. I replace the timing belt and time it right on the marks and did everything right. I drive it for a week and when back to see if the timing marks was right on. And it was all off like 4 tooth off. What dose that mean?
No misfires, no codes, no problems? Just double checking your work? It’s probably ok since you were driving
Thanks! Great video! Just a question: as I noticed in the video, between both left sprockets there are a little difference in the marks, that's a normal condition as you said. I installed the belt, and I got the same difference between marks, BUT in the right sprockets, left sprockets' marks are perfectly alligned. It also a normal condition?
Thanks again. Greetings.
I’m in same situation is yours an early ej20 ?? 1995 era ??
@@thedeesta MY2011 EJ20, but I already installed the belt with "my marks" and engine runs perfectly
Yeah well I did mine on 1995 all was lined up until I turned engine over 4 times and it seems 1/2 a tooth out on passenger side cam but all other points match up , mine is where it has double lines meeting each other on the cams so I’m still insure it it’s normal worries about hitting valves if i start it up what you think ??
@@sergiolouridourrutia4376 sorry I did not tag you
@@thedeesta 1/2 tooth is normal, I also have this difference between teeth and it runs perfect. But I was nervous to run the engine before watching this video xD
Thanks bro
was abit worried of bending the valves but looking at the video i am pretty sure its ok
Buy a camlock tool. Takes the stress out of the job. It will lock the right side pulleys so you dont need any extra hands
@@SizeableThoughts I didn't even need the cam lock tool. It's easy enough not to move anything.
@@MarcGyverIt i had the sprockets aligned, installed the tool and did everything else while the sprockets stayed put. It was more of a worry doing the other side with gears that could spin to any place with the slightest nidge
Whats down guys, another youtube vid with the opening, whats up guys. Can't these people be more original.
get off the internet
Will there be any damage if the camshaft pulley was rotated from the camshaft with the belt on.
Moat likely
You “probably” did it right. 😆
I don't even be caring. Just send it.
What if i cut timing belt will i ben valves 😢😢
Send this engine now Trinidad
We had a similar find on a 4g63 turns out the O'Reilly headgasket was thinner budy bought a headgasket from Mitsubishi and the half tooth difference was gone not saying that's the issue here just funny
that's correct, this also happens on block that has been decked for too many times.