Honestly? I cant think of any console. Some aged better like N64, others aged horribly like PS One. But that doesnt mean it's overrated. PS One had huge impact back then.
I'd say NES. It has quite a few good games but the 16 bit systems have better games in every single genre. People love to blow the N64's horn, but even the biggest fans tend to admit that there isn't much horn to blow.
@Ben DC4L Phantasy Star IV is amazing, but it is no FFIII. Ditto for Crusader of Centy/Beyond Oasis not being as good as Zelda (although I'd argue Landstalker is close in terms of quality). And as you say, there is no game quite like Super Metroid at all on the Genesis. I love the Genesis. I've had one since '91 and it's hooked up in front of me as I type this. But being as objective as I possibly can, I gotta give the edge to SNES (and I say this as someone who owns and has beaten every game we are discussing here with the exception of Centy).
People seem to either love the n64 or call it an overrated peice of shit.. can we just agree that it is a decent console that won't break down and is best enjoyed with friends?
It is a really good put together system. Mine I lost in a move years ago and it was in our stuff we had in a shed for a few months. I didn't know it but it sat in water for 2 months since the shed leaked and I didn't know. I got it out, dried it off and it still works to this day.
yousaidwinglikeabirdswing Totally agree with the jump to 3D...I still remember the first time seeing the camera view fly around and then zooming into first person view in the first level of Goldeneye 007, it’s up there with the first time experiencing Virtual Reality, which for me was the VR Worlds menu/lobby area on PSVR (just in my opinion).
I hate those kind of questions. "Overrated" as a concept is overrated anyways because it means different things to different people. Like for Ian, overrated means "not suited for my tastes" and for others it means "too popular" or "flawed" or "whatever I hate this". It's pointless.
I agree. If someone says something is "overrated" it just means that they don't think it deserves as high a rating as other people gave it. It all comes down to personal taste.
I agree most people misunderstand the definition of “overrated”. Personally I think the PS2 is the most overrated successful game console. That’s just my opinion.
Lenny Wright the ps2 is definitely not overrated, and hold on, calm down. I did NOT grow up with it, but come on, look at that library of games, it was also revolutionary and sold a hundred million plus copies, so you are an idiot
The NES brought back the console gaming industry from the brink of collapse and established many of the gaming characters we still revere today. So the love is well deserved.
agreed, like yeah it's a great console "for its time", but it has a ton of shovelware and the sequels on super nintendo are better graphically and gameplay wise
I agree, the NES really hasn’t aged as well as the SNES. I was the weird kid growing up who liked older systems. So even if I didn’t play them while they were relevant, I have nostalgic attachments to both. I still think the NES is less enjoyable to go back to.
@@johnnyace2287 I guess I can't really have much of an opinion on it. I only played the original console at my friend's house, and played a few games through Virtual Console. I just didn't have much interest to look for more like I have with other consoles.
As someone who grew up in the UK, I would say that anything Nintendo seems to be massively overrated in the US. I love the NES, SNES and N64 systems but your obsession with them seems crazy to me. You even had people scalping boxes of cereal, just because it had Nintendo and Mario on the side of the box. We have a similar issue with Sony consoles over here though so who am I to judge.
The banter between you two is the best. I think of you guys as the gaming grumpy old men. That's a good thing to me. I wonder how much better it can only get down the road. You keep it real and honest.
I'm definitely with Ian on this one with preferring the Genesis library over Super Nintendos based on taste in genre, as well as acknowledging that overrated doesn't mean "bad". I adore the SNES, but I feel like it gets talked up almost unanimously as the best of the best, and many hardcore SNES fans tend to know so little about the Genesis library in comparison, and ignore looking for the more obscure gems on it, only really acknowledging the mainstream classics like Streets of Rage. I will say though, that while SNES has very few shooters compared to Sega, I feel both consoles are fairly well balanced with great platformers.
Wrong! Winner is Sega Genesis! Revenge of Shinobi, Toe Jam and Earl, Vector Man, Ghouls and Ghosts, Golden Axe1,2, Streets of Rage1,2,3, Kid Chameleon, Altered Beast, Rocket Knight Adventures, Ninja Turtles Hyperstone Heist, Castlevania Bloodlines, Sunset Riders, Contra: Hard Corps, Midnight Resistance, Mercs, Two Crude Dudes, Truxton, Musha, Castle of Ilusion staring Mickey Mouse, Mortal Kombat, Gunstar Heroes, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Robocop vs The Terminator, Aladdin, Earthworm Jim, Comix Zone, Alien Storm, Shining Force, Phantasy Star 2,3,4, Phelios, Gaires, Arrow Flash, Valis1,2,3, Rolling Thunder1,2,3,and don't forget The Punisher!.
There's so many N64 haters out there that I don't think it can be considered overrated anymore. Being the old guy in the room that was around for the hype for every video game generation, this is a really tough question to answer. It's so much easier to think of systems that were underappreciated. But overappreciated? If that's even a word. If you held a gun to my head for an answer, I guess I'd have to go with the Wii. That console and its games could be a real pain in the ass.
When was the Nintendo 64 EVER overrated? It was underrated. Not the greatest Nintendo console historically, but had a big influence for future games and generations.
Anto RetroGamer it's always been overrated thanks to games like ocarina of time, GoldenEye, super mario 64, etc very good games that tons of people are *still* playing, but people hype the console up to a level above others forgetting that the console didn't really have much a library(only 296 games) and only the gems are worth playing
Once again folks, Ian isn't saying the SNES is bad. He is just pointing out how many people treat it like the greatest system in gaming history, when it simply is not. Its a fantastic system, but its crazy how positively rabid the fanbase can be in support of it.
the SNES is regularly voted as the greatest system of all time. It's cute for you to say 'it's simply not'. but when the majority of times its polled that way your opinion is sort of irrelevant
That's the point, Derek. It IS regularly voted as the greatest system and that's the problem. Can a console that lost market share from its predecessor and saw not only serious competition in its own time really be called the greatest of all time?
Agreed, it's definitely the weakest of the retro Nintendo consoles as far as game library goes, sure there's some gems and classics but the RPG library alone on the SNES destroys the NES, so much good shit there.
Lunar Passion You could say it was super influential and impactful, but if we're just considering it as a console in a vacuum then comparing and contrasting it to other systems, it seems to get more love than it's due, probably for the reasons you mentioned. Which totally fair, NES is a sweet machine I got the toaster and a Famicom AV, it's just overrated.
One has to consider the nes was the only great console in the 80s,, Zelda, mario, 2&3 and lots of other games was highly sought out after at the time, the nes had a impact no other console has had since ..no snes till late 1990..
Well as someone who grew up playing the NES (46 years old) I would say that it is not really a fair comparison, comparing an 8 bit system to a 16 bit system is like comparing the NFL from the 70's to the NFL of the 90's. it is two different eras. The NES had game programmers who were used to the C64/Atari 2600/5200, so many of the early NES titles don't really hold up well, (some are still classics to this day) but towards the end of the NES life span programmers really started to fully learn how to take full advantages of what they system could do, and some of those games are some of the best on the system (SMB 3) for example. When the SNES came around most of the companies/programmers who were making those games "cut their teeth" on the NES system and they had double the CPU power and like 100X the color pallets to work with, so of course the SNES is going to have a larger top end quality of games, because going from Atari to NES was a HUGE learning curve, but going from the NES to the SNES the learning curve wasn't as great because the companies and programmers had so much more experience with Nintendo and the Machine they were working with gave them options that they never had on the NES. Both systems are great, both have a large library of games , some great games some mediocre games and some shit game, I personally think the NES was the best 8 bit system and the SNES was the best 16 bit system, saying one is better then the other is not really a fair comparison as you are trying to compare two different generations. Each were at the top of the stack in their eras.
Sauce agree 100% even tough graphics for the SNES and NES ... but you see more games of 8 bit and 16 bit style games coming out now in the indi ... they aren’t trying to PlayStation style graphics now
Sauce. for the most part your right. the games that stuck to 2d or the games that where kinda 3d but played in 2d still hold up but yeah 90% of early 3d games just didn't age well at all.
detroit retro gamer drg313 I wouldn't even say that they were ahead of their time back then, because when I got my PS1 back in 96 I thought for the most part it looked like crap. Long loading times, and shitty polygon graphics. It was a step down in a sense. Sold it. Sold it mainly because I didn't like loading times at all. But yeah, today, a random SNES game, say Yoshi's Island is many times more playable than a random successful PS1 game. 16 Bit 2D is a lot less of an eye sore than 32 bit 3D.
Yea i agree about the N64. For it to be as popular as it was, it jus didn't have enough 3rd party support cuz of the decision to stick wit cartridges,and not go wit the more cost effective cd. Aside from a few 3rd party classics like GoldenEye, Turok, and Gauntlet Legends to name a few, what kept it going was all the first party games. Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, Smash, F-Zero, etc etc.
I like the N64 it came out before my time but I find the early 3D graphics charming and the good games on the system are more then enough of a reason to pick up the system
Nintendo consoles, in general, tend to be overrated. Either people have nostalgia for them because of their childhood. Or Nintendo fanboys hype them up into the stratosphere.
I have to say the Dreamcast. It isn't even bad, but if we are sticking to "mainline" systems, I have to go with it. The N64 is close, but it ushered so many franchises into 3D (successfully) that I feel it's impact on the industry saves it. The Dreamcast is a great system, but I feel like it's been put on a pedestal as of late that may be a tad too high. Obviously mileage may vary due to personal taste. Now I await my digital tar and feathering.
Paul Mason For me its above the N64. the reason why is because when you look at a lot of the things nintendo did and then the things Sega did. There is a huge difference in capabilities imo. Especially since they’re only a few years apart.
Dreamcast was a commercial failure in the US, but the lifespan of PS2 in Japan. A lot more games kept getting developed for it there. Idk about today's ratings for consoles, but I think it was underrated.
The was a reason why N64 and SNES cartridge were expensive, the same reason Virtual Racing was a 100$ game; it's all about the PCB and memory chips (and also cart/label quality, genesis labels are lower quality than SNES label (except games manufactured by Majesco in the late SNES life))
SNES still had a lot of pickup and play fast action stuff. I've been going over the SNES library and a lot of it seems to be hidden gems. Not only do you have TMNT, Batman Returns, Final Fight 2 & 3... you also have Run Saber, Gun Hazard, Metal Warriors, Hagane... it looks like the action part of the SNES library was just buried under the popular JRPGs. And if you go into the Super Famicom library? Ouch.
Wow, snes was my favorite. Loaded with all time great games. Zelda aLttP, super mario world, super metroid, chrono trigger... not to mention it ran much better than the genesis.
I know a lot of people say the n64 is overrated but I still love it. I grew up with it and don't really give a shit what other people think. Everybody defends what they grew up with.
@bigevilworldwide1 Snowboard Kids Goldeneye/perfect dark Donkey Kong * Pokemon Stadium 1&2 Wayne Gretzys 3D Hockey NFL Blitz there were a good number of multiplayer experiences. and its not just quantity but quality. we could play smash till the end of time
I’m sorry but that doesn’t compare to plugging in the second controller into the first player controller on the 3DO. Talk about convenience and being revolutionary!
I generally prefer the SNES over the Genesis, but I will say that when it comes to hardcore action games, namely those that may be rougher around the edges but go at a faster/ more exciting pace, the Genesis is superior to the SNES. Genres like RPGs and Adventure games may be undoubtedly in the SNES's favor over the Genesis (especially when considering JP-only fan translated games), but the Genesis is unquestionably better when it comes to genres like Shmups and Run n Guns.
I think the nes is quite overrated but this is coming from a English perspective as the nes wasn't that big over here so there's not as much nostalgia for it like the Americans have
Revenge of Shinobi, Toe Jam and Earl, Vector Man, Ghouls and Ghosts, Golden Axe1,2, Streets of Rage1,2,3, Kid Chameleon, Altered Beast, Rocket Knight Adventures, Ninja Turtles Hyperstone Heist, Castlevania Bloodlines, Sunset Riders, Contra: Hard Corps, Midnight Resistance, Mercs, Two Crude Dudes, Truxton, Musha, Castle of Ilusion staring Mickey Mouse, Mortal Kombat, Gunstar Heroes, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Robocop vs The Terminator, Aladdin, Earthworm Jim, Comix Zone, Alien Storm, Shining Force, Phantasy Star 2,3,4, Phelios, Gaires, Arrow Flash, Valis1,2,3, Rolling Thunder1,2,3,and don't forget The Punisher!.
I think it's the multiplayer aspect that gives the N64 some cred. Golden eye, wwf no mercy, mario sports or party (11 mario related titles!), f zero x, gauntlet legacy, smash bros. Although, a major gripe I have with the system is that this is where nintendo started getting lazy with coming up with new franchises and started to really focus on just mario and zelda. F zero x was an excellent sequel, but then you had star fox 64 that is sort of a remake of the snes game. Rareware was great at bringing some new titles in, such as banzo kazooie or perfect dark or killer instinct. Another reason why it may be held highly is due to the fact that it has less games. Easier to collect. 20 games is plenty.
N64. Won't deny there's good games for it, but most of them are stuff Nintendo did or had a hand in. Beyond maybe 30 games the library is forgotten trash. I can see how someone could say the PS1 because of how many trash titles are on it, but good gravy, there are so many great games. And no, I'm not just saying that because Square's output is on there; lots of great games from many necks of the woods.
I'd say the Dreamcast. As with Ian, I don't think it's a bad system by any measure, but the amount of hype it gets is inversely proportional to my desire to own one. I guess the core issue here is that there is nary a game on the console that necessitated owning it. Most the good titles are available elsewhere, and I can't say that the remaining exclusives have ever made me wish I had one. Simply put, my gaming life has never felt empty for not having owned a Dreamcast. I don't think I could say that about any other console from the 80s, 90s, or early 2000s.
A lot of the games that got ported from Dreamcast to something else though, the Dreamcast remained the best version of the game, also a lot of those games came out on Dreamcast a fair amount of time before the other consoles, not sure how anyone could call the dreamcast overrated, its mental to me
I guess I should have also added the raving madness of Dreamcast fans to react flippantly toward any criticism of their precious console. Notice, I didn't say anything bad about the Dreamcast. Only that I didn't feel like I missed out on anything. And for that, I'm "mental". Whatever. If I may add my own observation, the inability for certain Dreamcast owners to put themselves in the perspective of other gamers who don't necessarily see the system as a must-own, is one of the main reasons why I think the Dreamcast is vastly overrated. It's very rare that one of you guys can read a very measured and moderate tone of indifference and say "Yeah, I guess I can see that." No, you have to say "that's mental." Whatever.
Why are people under the delusion that fighting games are better on SNES? There is a lot of slowdown on SNES and the Genesis 6-button controller is superior in just about every way to the SNES controller for pulling off moves (and the button layout). I'm basing this on Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. Extra colors on the screen doesn't make it better.
Genesis FM sound just isn't as nimble either; if you compare these series on either system the Genesis sound just falls flat. In general it's faster but doesn't look or sound as good.
@@Nobunaga1983 steck gets it. Look at these other clowns trying to play the graphics game. Same type of people try to pretend Xbox was better than GameCube just because it looked prettier in some games. Anyone who cares about both control and gameplay KNOWS that Genesis was superior. It's not even really up for debate. If you spent much time with a Genesis 6-button pad, you wouldn't even be disagreeing.
I had both the Genesis and the SNES growing up. Honestly, as an adult, I find myself playing more Sega games than SNES games, ports and exclusives. I love Super Metroid but I can't sit and play it anymore because of time. Same with Super Mario World Allstars. The only games I play on my SNES now is Mega Man X and War of The Gems and not very often either. The Sega library for some reason is more fun now than it was when I was a kid. Vectorman 1 and 2 are always on in my house as my daughters also really love it. Same with Hard Corps, the UMK3 port, Comix Zone and Gunstar Heroes.
N64 is hands down the most overrated piece of shit console ever made, everyone seems to love it even though it has maybe 2 games that are still playable today.
paper mario, basically all the pokemon games on the system still hold up, and puzzle esc games still look good. Most of rares titles still hold up well along with most of the first party nintendo titles besides the zeldas and mario 64 still look decent enough.
Dreamcast. I never seen such a failure of a system been so praised by fanboys. It was better than the Saturn, but still had oversized controllers and the PS2 quickly put it out of it's misery soon after its debut.
@Requiem4aDr3Am You list RE Code Veronica as it's achievement....FFS PS2 had a better version of that average RE game then came out with the legendary RE4. other than Phantasy Star which is a underatted JRPG IMO, you just list a bunch of average games. Again, to my point, they where pushing arcade ports where at that time, nobody gave a shit about porting an arcade game that looked great, but you could beat in a few hours. Again, as far as controllers goes, that thing was the Xbox 1 Duke with a gimmicks, it was uncomfortable, and the PS had one of the best, if not the best controllers of all time...look up the rankings, not fanboy shit, if you don't believe me.
Also beat them ups, TMNT4 Turtles in Time , Battletoads in battlemaniacs + B+DoubleDragon. Snes has better fighting games, better RPG's, better beat them ups, better action games (DKC2, Demon's Crest, SMW1,SMW2, SMALLSTARS), Has Tetris Attack (Best Puzzle game EVER IMO) . Ian is smoking some good shit that's for sure.
DK Countries? Yeah there's a whole list of all time great platformers he forgot about. And still Aladdin although I admit I did have slightly more fun with the Sega one. Plus Turtles in Time and Final Fight stuff, you can definitely get your action fix. Plus still have a massive library of all time great RPGs for when he has time for them so he can stop claiming they're overrated just because he's not playing them at this exact moment.
Contra 3 Alien Wars Super Castlevania IV Zelda Link to the past Mario Kart "orignal" Crono Trigger Final Fantasy 3/6 list goes on lol but i still respect Ian's decision Edit: Yes some are not platformers but i think SNES had more quality overall. But damn close between the two consoles
I have to say the most overrated system of all time is the Dreamcast. It's a great system with some interesting titles overall but some people (who were probably in diapers when it came out) act like the Dreamcast is this hidden gem, that is secretly the best of all time, you just have to be "in the know". The same can apply to the Saturn. Both were dunked on by Sony so it seems to be hip and trendy to think they were really good when it reality they just weren't. Theres a reason why Sega pulled out.
Dreamcast was very underrated when it came out and for years after but now its overrated. People talk it up as its an amazing console now that has 100s of great games when at most it has maybe 30 and even then i wouldnt be able to think of that many. Its a great example of a console going from underrated to overrated in my opinion.
I would say the dreamcast has a really good/interesting top 50, and for a console with only about 250 games total that is not a bad ratio, id say there are also less than 30 really bad dreamcast games. I don't see why anyone would call that over rated
The way you describe the Dreamcast game library, is like how fanboys describe the SEGA Saturn. Many of these seem to have discovered and loved that system LONG after it's commercial relevance.
SNES can compare almost evenly to Genesis, but you gotta get deep cuts to find the balance. But the Shmup argument is fair. SNES really has to fight to keep up in that dept. Volume is somewhat a factor. But since we finally get out Genesis mini, balance has been restored.
I think the Dreamcast has become overrated. I owned every console from the 6th gen, and I owned like 300 games for Dreamcast. The dreamcasts library just doesn’t stack up with the other consoles. I loved the Dreamcast don’t get me wrong. It’s just how people have been fanboying it lately. The controller was clunky, and the genres of games don’t compete with any of the consoles from that gen. Think about RPGs, action, fighting, FPS, racing, and platforming. Dreamcast has the weakest library for every genre of gaming. Maybe if it was around longer it would have stronger titles, but that’s besides the point.
I agree on the N64. I think a lot of it comes from the fact that it was the system they had growing up. A lot of the stuff on the system is kind of boring. Even some of the "good" games are kind of mediocre.
Say modern games are overrated and everyone nods, say old games are overrated and everyone goes nuts I love the Super Nintendo, but no console, nor console generation, is perfect.
Personally I think the original PlayStation is one of the most overrated. Yes, it was a good system for RPGs, but besides that it really didn't have much I was remotely interested in.
Had Tekken 3, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Syphon Filter series( really doesnt hold up tho) Tony Hawk Pro Skater and many more that im forgetting right now
Also the N64 is not overrated. What the n64 did for 3d games cannot be denied... Yes it doesnt hold up today very well but overrated no. It set the bar.
Gotta factor in the Super Fami for action/platforming, too. Some pretty good ones -and- some REALLY good ones never made it out of Japan. :) Also, this is NOT gonna be good for sales of 'A Certain SNES GuideBook', IAN ! ;)
What action/platforming games does the Super Famicom add? Really can't think of any besides I guess Rockman and Bass but that's a controversial game anyways. Though I'll admit it's still important to consider JP-only games seeing as there were a bunch of great RPGs and late releases that had to get fan translated, i.e. Star Ocean, Tales of Phantasia, SMT, Seiken Densetsu 3, Bahamut Lagoon, Genealogy of the Holy War (and the other FE games), Tactics Ogre, and Sutte Hakun
@Dagan Indeed, the SNES deserves its praise. The greatest games of their respective genres--the classics still celebrated today--tend to come from the SNES. Greatest 16-bit racing game? Super Mario Kart/F-Zero. Greatest shooter? Star Fox. Greatest fighter? SF2 Turbo. Great RPG? ChronoTrigger. Greatest platformer? Mario World/Yoshi's Island. Greatest action-platformer? Mega Man X. Greatest Puzzler? Tetris Attack. Greatest action-RPG? Link to the Past. Greatest open-ended actioner? Super Metroid. The Sega Genesis did have a superior library of space shooters and sports titles, but when it comes to the very best of the leading genres, the SNES almost always wins.
I don't know, I'd take the Shinobi series over megaman x any time, the best megaman/mario games all came out on the nes to me, not snes, I'd also take some of the wonderboy games on megadrive over metroid, i also think megadrive had the best contra and the best castlevania game out of the two consoles, as for street fighter theres no reason to play it on any of those old 16 bit consoles these days. The arcade version was so far ahead of any of them. I'd also say megadrive had the best beat em up series in streets of rage. I would say megadrive/snes are extremely close in all genres
@Tricky Devil Subjectively, you're certainly allowed to prefer any games you want. But objectively, the games I listed above are the true classics...which is why games like Mega Man X and Metroid are both remembered and celebrated over the likes of Shinobi and Wonderboy. Similarly, most would agree that Turtles in Time trumps Streets of Rage 2, despite the latter's obvious quality. Deciding between Contra 3 and Hard Corps is a bit tougher, I admit, but the extreme difficulty of Hard Corps works against it in the end. Again, there's a reason why certain SNES games live on today while Genesis games languish, despite both systems being equally popular in their era.
Growing up in the 70's-80's (born in 1972) and schooled in Minnesota the grade scale then was 92 and up ranged from A- To A 82-91 ranged from B- To B+ 72-81 ranged from C- To C+ 62-71 ranged from D- To D+ Sadly today many schools (in order to adhere to the "No Child Left Behind" act) go as low as 52% = D- and 62% = a C but its kinda funny, when you look at how hard games were on the NES and how games are so much easier today with all of the save states, and cheat codes and full playthrough videos on youtube, back in the day, you had to be SMART and good to beat the NES games, you got good or you died. today just go on to Wikipedia and there are all the answers to your homework questions and just go on to RUclips to see how to beat any game out there. lol
Captain Freedom Had a Turbo with an Everdrive. If you're into shooters, then Turbo is for you, but aside from bonks, and splatterhouse... Turbo is really lacking.
GENESIS16 ZONE Well, you got me there. But you still don't have Mario World 1 and 2, Star Fox, Metroid, Final Fantasy 4, 5 and 6, Mario Kart, Donkey Kong Country 1, 2, and 3, Zelda a link to the past, Super Gameboy, and Super Noah's Ark 3D.
SNES-disagree, has plenty of good action platformers, and some decent shmups. Has a very well rounded library. N64-agreed. RPGs? Largely absent. Horror? Mostly the same. Fighters? Mostly the same. Was the start of Nintendo basically pulling all the weight on their consoles. Their stuff largely holds up. It was a decent couch co op system with a small handful of solid single player experiences but it falls far short of the SNES (and the Genesis) in terms of having a rounded library. Also the controller is poorly built/designed trash. A good controller should allow you to reach everything. Period. Not only in certain positions.
A lot of people commenting don't seem to understand what "overrated" actually means. For example, the N64 isn't even in the top tier of retro game consoles (in terms of general popularity and units sold). Just because it has a group of vocal fanboys doesn't make it overrated when it isn't even rated highly "in general". Tier 1 "Retro" Consoles: Sega Genesis, NES, SNES, Playstation 1 [In no particular ranking order] Tier 2 "Retro" Consoles: N64, Dreamcast, Sega Saturn Obviously I'm leaving out the more obscure and older stuff but you probably get the point. This is super subjective of course given your personal history with a console, but for me the Genesis is a bit overrated. Because if you're not into sports titles or shoot em' ups I feel like the library has a lot less to offer. I do love Streets of Rage and Contra: Hard Corps quite a bit however.
Yeah. I mean, the Nintendo 64 is my all-time favourite console, but surely a console would have to be greatly hyped and talked about incessantly to be overrated in the first place. Back in the day, the Nintendo 64 didn't get the time of day next to the SONY PlayStation.
There are a lot of people here bashing 32bit 3D graphics and most seems to thinks this constitutes for a bad game! I agree that the controls on some of these early 3D games can be quite clunky and take some getting used to but a game has never been good or bad because of its graphics because good game play will always win out and good graphics wont hide a bad game! maybe its just me but those early 3D graphics dont look ugly to me anyway!
N64 library is poor and not varied enough. The big selling point for the console back in the day was its fantastic 4 players multiplayer though. You only needed a handful of games to have a great time with friends and this is why the N64 is remembered so fondly by many. Myself, as a teen, I remember countless hours playing Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Mario Kart 64 and Smash Bros with my friends. I was the only one in my group having a Playstation and I was jealous at the time... PS was more of a single player thing and all my friends were better at N64 games than me (probably because they had way more practice!) but it was for the most part a very fun experience. In retrospect, I'm glad I picked the Playstation because I experienced the best of both worlds and for me, give me Spyro or Crash over Mario 64 any day!
I grew up with the SNES and naturally wanted an N64. Received a PlayStation as a birthday gift and never really went back. In reality, the cartridge format really pushed away third party devs from the N64 which gave PS1 the edge. The low storage available on the cartridges meant Arcade Ports, Multiplats/third party titles either were severely downgraded or never made it to the system altogether. The controller while introducing rumble and the Analogue stick was awkward at the time and still is to this day. I also firmly believe the PS1 library has aged better and has many fun playable games to this day. The disc format, the DualShock 1. The games with huge overarching stories, scopes, and cutscenes. By the time this gen was over, the PlayStation had set the standard and it was Nintendo/Sega that needed to go back to the drawing board and figure out where they were going next. Not to say the N64 was a bad system by any means, there were a bunch of gems and the system is as collectible as any classic consoles out there. Unfortunately there were some shortcomings with the hardware/design that limited its library back in the 90's which is even more glaring now.
It had a relatively shallow games library, but to say in an matter-of-fact way that it was 'poor' is laughable. Genre variety was certainly an issue for the N64 library however.
@Anto You said in 3 sentences what I said with "library is poor and not varied enough". Poor means deficient or lacking in (I'm talking about quantity not quality). N64 had only 296 games released in North America and a large part of them was sport games. To give an idea of what 300 games represent for a console's lifespan, the Sega Saturn who flopped in NA, released 290 games and the Wii U who was an absolute failure for Nintendo released about 160 physical games (not counting the digital only games). When you compared with the Playsation (over 1200 games), the other console of its generation, it's clear as day that the N64 library is poor in quantity and not varied enough.
The impression I got at first was that you were claiming the 'game quality' was poor, not the game quantity. Sure, it's a shallow library, but comparing one extreme to another (PlayStation) is a bit misleading. Of course a CD-based is going to have more games then a cartridge-based console!
I think I have to agree with Ian as I share the same genre. Something I really like about Genesis is the homebrew community. That's elevating the system for me because there's always something come out.
I think the SNES is the greatest console of all time and is therefore the most underrated console of all time. It has the highest percentage of the greatest games of all time in relation to any other console. Its history and development, its genesis rivalry, its controller, that early 90's golden age ... everything about it is just magical.
@@Nobunaga1983 If I was trapped in a room for the rest of my life with one console and it's complete library I would have to be the SNES. Take say PS2 for instance, gigantic library and many many classics, if I was told I could never play any of those games again I'd be upset, but if I was told I could never play some of the SNES classics ever again I'd be distraught 🤣
@@Nobunaga1983 when I said trapped in a room I meant with no contact with the outside world ... with internet access I'd be able to contact someone and escape 😂
Man so many fans boys so butt hurt when SNES got called overrated and yes it is overrated even if it has tons of games I like. Just accept the console is as overrated as final fantasy 7 and yes ff7 is overrated ff6 surpasses 7 in everything and yes fans nagged square to death and now they are remaking the game so much it is not ff7 anymore. The SNES has many great games that today is so damn overpriced you could afford a Ferrari if you sold all rare games. It's a good system but yeah far from the best.
N64 for sure. Literally has only around 10 decent games. Yes I know Golden eye literally changed the FPS. However unless you're a Nintendo fanboy it's pretty much over rated. The pricing on games proves that. BTW I have one with an everdrive
For the people in the comments saying the N64 doesn’t have more than 3 good games? -Mario Party 1 -Mario Party 2 -Mario Party 3 -Mario Tennis -Mario Golf -Dr. Mario -Super Smash Bros. -The Legend of Zelda OOT -The Legend of Zelda Majora’s Mask -Super Mario 64 -Mario Kart -StarFox -Pokémon Stadium 1 -Pokémon Stadium 2 -Pokémon Snap -Pokémon Puzzle League -Donkey Kong 64 -Goldeneye 007 -Jet Force Gemini -Perfect Dark -Banjo Kazooie -Banjo Tooie -Yoshi’s Story -Diddy Kong Racing -Bomberman 64 -Wave Race -1080 Snowboarding -Excitebike
PS1 is overrated. Most of the 3D games on that system aged very poorly (though some of the late Square games were really impressive like Chrono Cross and FF8 and 9). I laugh at the thought of the original Battle Arena Toshinden making an appearance on a PS1 Mini, remember that turd? In some ways it was a 2D powerhouse when it got 2D games, but a lot of the great 2D games also came out on Saturn and performed better on that system, such as the SF Alpha games.
X-Men Versus Street Fighter on ps1 is hot garbage; Ps1 is shit-tier; Metal Gear Solid and Symphony of the Night are good, but even the square RPGs are overrated, as their SNES counterparts are handedly superior, not to mention the ps1 games are bogged down by horrible post-processing, bad controls, terrible loading times, intermittent cutscenes, which mostly wouldn't pass for a D-tier TV show, much less a movie, and gameplay-wise; tank controls and fixed camera perspectives with painted backgrounds just aren't "revolutionary" not to mention what little polygons that were used were a muddy mess. Ps1 games suck ass.
I agree. There are some great games on the platform, I think Symphony of the Night is one of the best platformers out there, but there are also so many terrible games on there, and games that have aged really poorly.
Just because you are too lazy to search the library, it doesn't mean the Playsation has a shortage of great games. Not counting the ton of great RPGs or the Resident Evil trilogy, off the top of my head: Tekken 3, Ape Escape, the Crash Bandicoot trilogy (especially 2 and 3) , the Spyro trilogy (especially 2 and 3), Gran turismo 2, GTA 2, Crash Team Racing, Silent Hill, Rayman 2, Mega Man X4, the 2 Tomba games, Klonoa, Abe's Odyssey and Abe's Exodus, MDK and Wild 9.
@Darth Those graphics were great for their time. It doesn't mean these games are not great anymore. Just check the massive success of the Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy (the last year remaster).
Anyway, the dated early 3D games graphics retain a certain charm for some people including myself. It's ugly, but it's distinctive. Polygons, just like pixels, need love too! Anyway, I'm not the biggest fan of the omnipresent photorealist graphics we have nowadays.
If the SNES had a flaw, it was that Nintendo would censor the content of some of their games. MK1 without the blood, Aladdin with apples and not a sword, Wolfenstein 3D with rats instead of attack dogs, etc. The hardware was fine, the corporate execs were the ones that caused trouble.
People who think the SNES is overrated are the same people who watch classic movies on their smartphones and think their shit is busted because there's no color 😅😅😅
Recently purchased a brand new sealed N64 racing wheel just so that I can play all of the sick racing games N64 had to offer. I even have ambitions to someday build a "N64 Raceboy" setup w original hardware. This is my dream!
I love the Nintendo 64 console I owned it as a kid back in the day so, I personally don't give a shit what people say it's a popular overrated game system.. who cares!
Meh. Nintendo Gamecube? Nintendo Wii U? The Nintendo 64 subjectively feels more stronger and influential, with a more memorable game library. It did pretty good, in relation to what it was up against at that time.
@@AntoRetroGamer That's what's trippy about The Playstation/Nintendo "console war " . Yes , Sony was a well known electronics maker, but they really had no experience in home console market . Nintendo did, and the N64 got crushed hard.
If you look into what you can import for SNES, you'll find there's an incredible treasure trove of Japanese titles that spur the system's library to new heights. Not that it needed it to be great, I'm just saying.
Are people really here clamoring the NES is overrated? It’s dated, that’s what it is. Its core games are still selling to.this.day. It birthed franchises that are still viable to.this.day. It provided game concepts that are still around to.this.day. Its mascot became a cultural phenomenon second only to the likes of Mickey Mouse or Bart Simpson. It was a worldwide media bomb that created the gaming culture we live in today. Its importance could never be undermined.
I grew up on NES and I don't disagree with you, but cultural influence doesn't really mean fun. If somebody asks you today what's the best way to spend $200 and have fun getting into retro gaming, would you tell him SNES/Genesis or NES? You gotta admit the NES library is full of turds, land mines, and LJN cancerware.
The 16 bits generation has a lot of turds too. We have the Internet now. No reason to dismiss a console because it has bad games. Google "top 100 NES" and you are set.
Yeah but you're underestimating how many turds there are on NES, I can tell from the fact that you're saying the top 100 games are good. If you buy anyone's top 100 you now own at least 50 turds. I just looked at the first top 100 list I could find just now and Metal Gear was in their top 25 so honestly you may own 75-80 floaters if you buy out a top 100 list. My honest advice would be buy the console and the absolute classics, if you have fun then try out a few more but basically go ahead and start your SNES collection asap.
@Doctordistracto I would not advice anybody to start collecting games for the NES or the SNES. It's way overpriced. The time for collecting for these systems is gone. Same thing for the GameCube. There's still some time left for the Wii and the Wii U before the price hike.
@Doctordistracto You know you can try any 8 or 16 bits games on emulation before buying, right? You know you can watch dozens of videos on RUclips about any particular game before buying, right? You know not everybody have the same taste as you? Metal Gear is worth playing for fans of the series with an open mind. I would recommend playing the MSX2 version (playable on MGS3: Subsistence) but the NES version, while mediocre, is not a turd at all. You should take the time to look for list of games from connoisseurs, such as this list from satoshimatrix: satoshimatrix.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/satoshimatrix-top-100-nesfamicom-games-list-50percent.png
Definitely the dreamcast. It had plenty of good games, and many ports superior to the n64 and ps1 version of the same game. It didn't really have much earth shattering exceptional games in the same league of mario 64, ocarina of time, metal gear solid, final fantasy 7, ect. The controller is also overrated with only one analog stick, 2 shoulder buttons, and dumb cord placement. It was a solid system, but not as good as people claim.
N64 is my favorite retro console. So many great games that stick with me to this day. NES is overrated. It got me in to gaming but i don't care to pick it up again except for mario 123
At the time n64 was seen as a console with no games and it couldn’t support most 3rd party modern games of that era due to cartridge memory limitations. Having an n64 as your only console was hard after finishing Mario 64 and Orcarina of time. Golden Eye held me over for years literally
GENESIS16 ZONE LMAO, the idiotic comments keep rollin in. PS I LOVE the Genesis but I just think it's overrated when it comes to the quality if a lot of games and when compared to it's competition. And they did lie on their campaign, that's a strike.
You must live on another planet. Nobody liked the system in 2001, nobody cares about it now. There's less people who like the system today than there were in the past, due to the die-hards of these truly overrated systems (N64, Super Nintendo) who took one look at the Gamecube and later on and claimed "That's not my Nintendo!" A lot of illogical opinions have left the Gamecube is a state where it may be going on 20 years old but no one cares about it. The only things people care about are the top 10 Nintendo titles everybody talks about and wants to sell of ebay for $40-60 and a Gamecube controller to play every game under the sun with...for some reason. The Gamecube and its library are worth far more than what people give it but what I say won't change the fact that no one will ever care about the system.
unfair fight agree ... they had games with great graphics for the time ... but not a lot of replay ability... I can pick up a brunch of NES and SNES games now and play for hours and hours ... however games like Tekken, Parappa the rapper, Daytona, etc maybe 30 mins tops and I’m done
The staying power of PS1 games is much worse than N64, in content and format. Discs don’t last like carts. I’ve dug them out of the ground and they still work.
I might have to agree with the NES comments. I had one as a kid, and I loved it, but I barely find myself wanting to re-play any NES games. There's a reason I wanted a SNES mini but not an NES mini. That said, I think it also happens to coincide with the fact that I was a tween/teen when the SNES came out, and I started subscribing to EGM and reading other magazines during that time, so maybe I was just more interested in gaming in general during the SNES era than the NES era. However, if you just wanted to compare quality of the games of the two platforms, there's no comparison in my mind.
Dreamcast. I mean if we're being honest here, the Saturn was better then the Dreamcast. Especially since most Dreamcast Games got ported to the Xbox, Gamecube and even sort of on the PS2. Saturn holds up better then the Dreamcast these days. Not graphicly but I can care less about graphics, its all about gameplay to me.
Bosco63and1/3 For me its the other way around. I feel like the Saturn was more underrated since for a longtime it was kept under wraps in the gaming community for several years. The Saturn is very comparable to the PS1 based on their similar capabilities. But the dreamcast just blows the other two out of the the water. Except in terms of the amount of good games as we all know the system only lasted for 3 years in the states and didn’t receive as many. Really all depends on preference on which is better.
My dude. Genesis is awesome. But really all it comes down to is preference, something that fanboys can't seem to understand. And of course, both systems are amazing and I have both.
What, to you, are the most overrated video game consoles of yesteryear?
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Honestly? I cant think of any console. Some aged better like N64, others aged horribly like PS One. But that doesnt mean it's overrated. PS One had huge impact back then.
NES, i bought that system because everyone said it was amazing. But ya n64 is pretty overrated.
I'd say NES. It has quite a few good games but the 16 bit systems have better games in every single genre. People love to blow the N64's horn, but even the biggest fans tend to admit that there isn't much horn to blow.
Street Fighter on SNES looks better, but games are not there to look at them. When you compare them gameplay wise, then the SNES one is a stinker.
The PS2.
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SNES drunk love your channel, and everyone has their opinions but I'm here to rage against the noobscene LOL. Top 5 system ever hands down.
Ian is wrong, SNES has a ton of platformers
aaaarrrgh, straw man counterpoints, condescending opinion stated as fact, other such anger arrgh.
lol when they mentioned SNES I thought about you.
Honestly I feel you are qualified to make a fairly objective argument on this topic!
I always felt the SNES and Genesis both equally had a lot to offer.
They were both great consoles that had that had their individual strengths and weaknesses. Both had a large library of games worth playing.
As an SNES owner, I was always a little jealous of stuff like Thunderforce 4, Strider and Capcom's Disney games like Castle of Illusion.
The SNES definitely had the edge in RPGs and exclusives. Sega never quite had an answer for Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Final Fantasy.
@Ben DC4L I'm not saying they had to resemble them.
@Ben DC4L Phantasy Star IV is amazing, but it is no FFIII. Ditto for Crusader of Centy/Beyond Oasis not being as good as Zelda (although I'd argue Landstalker is close in terms of quality). And as you say, there is no game quite like Super Metroid at all on the Genesis. I love the Genesis. I've had one since '91 and it's hooked up in front of me as I type this. But being as objective as I possibly can, I gotta give the edge to SNES (and I say this as someone who owns and has beaten every game we are discussing here with the exception of Centy).
People seem to either love the n64 or call it an overrated peice of shit.. can we just agree that it is a decent console that won't break down and is best enjoyed with friends?
The controller's been a broken-down turd since inception.
It is a really good put together system. Mine I lost in a move years ago and it was in our stuff we had in a shed for a few months. I didn't know it but it sat in water for 2 months since the shed leaked and I didn't know. I got it out, dried it off and it still works to this day.
yousaidwinglikeabirdswing Totally agree with the jump to 3D...I still remember the first time seeing the camera view fly around and then zooming into first person view in the first level of Goldeneye 007, it’s up there with the first time experiencing Virtual Reality, which for me was the VR Worlds menu/lobby area on PSVR (just in my opinion).
I love my N64, but that doesn't mean that a lot of it's games haven't aged like warm milk, the 007 games are damn near unplayable these days.
The Bongo Player no it’s utter plop
I hate those kind of questions. "Overrated" as a concept is overrated anyways because it means different things to different people. Like for Ian, overrated means "not suited for my tastes" and for others it means "too popular" or "flawed" or "whatever I hate this". It's pointless.
I agree. If someone says something is "overrated" it just means that they don't think it deserves as high a rating as other people gave it. It all comes down to personal taste.
Finally, someone smart in a comment section
I agree most people misunderstand the definition of “overrated”. Personally I think the PS2 is the most overrated successful game console.
That’s just my opinion.
Lenny Wright the ps2 is definitely not overrated, and hold on, calm down. I did NOT grow up with it, but come on, look at that library of games, it was also revolutionary and sold a hundred million plus copies, so you are an idiot
Man, I respect Ian’s opinion but I can’t get behind him on the question of the SNES. If anything I think the NES gets way more love than it should.
NES is the shit what do you mean
The NES brought back the console gaming industry from the brink of collapse and established many of the gaming characters we still revere today. So the love is well deserved.
sdzero I never said it wasn’t significant, I’m saying it is overrated, meaning that its library isn’t as amazing as people say it is.
agreed, like yeah it's a great console "for its time", but it has a ton of shovelware and the sequels on super nintendo are better graphically and gameplay wise
I agree, the NES really hasn’t aged as well as the SNES. I was the weird kid growing up who liked older systems. So even if I didn’t play them while they were relevant, I have nostalgic attachments to both. I still think the NES is less enjoyable to go back to.
I didn't like the n64 as much as others did. SNES, though, is one of the best systems ever made.
I agree, N64 was so hyped and it didnt completely live up.
N64 has many great games. Literally hundreds of hours of fun.
@@johnnyace2287 I guess I can't really have much of an opinion on it. I only played the original console at my friend's house, and played a few games through Virtual Console. I just didn't have much interest to look for more like I have with other consoles.
@@bubbythebear6891 Ian seems like bit of a nut. Snes is widely considered one of the best consoles ever. I can name 50 classics on it in 2 minutes.
@@johnnyace2287 I know, SNES is great! The DKC trilogy alone is one of the best series in all of gaming.
It's overrated because you don't have time to play rpg?... uh you know what the word overrated means?
And the RPGs on that system are like only 1/4 as long as most RPGs today.
I guess you don’t know what the word “opinion” means.
I think all cartridge era RPGs are overrated. Elder Scrolls and Witcher are good. Morrowind. FTW
@@TheT3rr0rMask it's nice to know that. I don't want shit on me.
As someone who grew up in the UK, I would say that anything Nintendo seems to be massively overrated in the US. I love the NES, SNES and N64 systems but your obsession with them seems crazy to me. You even had people scalping boxes of cereal, just because it had Nintendo and Mario on the side of the box. We have a similar issue with Sony consoles over here though so who am I to judge.
The banter between you two is the best. I think of you guys as the gaming grumpy old men. That's a good thing to me. I wonder how much better it can only get down the road. You keep it real and honest.
I'm definitely with Ian on this one with preferring the Genesis library over Super Nintendos based on taste in genre, as well as acknowledging that overrated doesn't mean "bad". I adore the SNES, but I feel like it gets talked up almost unanimously as the best of the best, and many hardcore SNES fans tend to know so little about the Genesis library in comparison, and ignore looking for the more obscure gems on it, only really acknowledging the mainstream classics like Streets of Rage. I will say though, that while SNES has very few shooters compared to Sega, I feel both consoles are fairly well balanced with great platformers.
You must have pretty terrible hearing
Wrong! Winner is Sega Genesis!
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You sir, are full of shit!
Sega genesis is a rad system and is underrated for sure
DAJO definitely is. I love it so much.
How is it underrated?
damn i didnt know one of the most beloved systems of all time is "underrated"
There's so many N64 haters out there that I don't think it can be considered overrated anymore.
Being the old guy in the room that was around for the hype for every video game generation, this is a really tough question to answer.
It's so much easier to think of systems that were underappreciated. But overappreciated? If that's even a word.
If you held a gun to my head for an answer, I guess I'd have to go with the Wii. That console and its games could be a real pain in the ass.
When was the Nintendo 64 EVER overrated? It was underrated. Not the greatest Nintendo console historically, but had a big influence for future games and generations.
Anto RetroGamer it's always been overrated thanks to games like ocarina of time, GoldenEye, super mario 64, etc
very good games that tons of people are *still* playing, but people hype the console up to a level above others forgetting that the console didn't really have much a library(only 296 games) and only the gems are worth playing
The wii is a good shout - it dosen't seem rated by many though?
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Once again folks, Ian isn't saying the SNES is bad. He is just pointing out how many people treat it like the greatest system in gaming history, when it simply is not. Its a fantastic system, but its crazy how positively rabid the fanbase can be in support of it.
Nobody cares what you have to say.
the SNES is regularly voted as the greatest system of all time. It's cute for you to say 'it's simply not'. but when the majority of times its polled that way your opinion is sort of irrelevant
That's the point, Derek. It IS regularly voted as the greatest system and that's the problem. Can a console that lost market share from its predecessor and saw not only serious competition in its own time really be called the greatest of all time?
And yet you commented Bob. Your words don't agree with your actions, but I'm glad you care.
Way to prove my point Derek lol.
Definitely the NES. It has good games but doesn't quite match the Super Nintendo or Playstation.
The SNES crushes the NES just with the game library alone, let alone the music and graphics
Agreed, it's definitely the weakest of the retro Nintendo consoles as far as game library goes, sure there's some gems and classics but the RPG library alone on the SNES destroys the NES, so much good shit there.
Lunar Passion You could say it was super influential and impactful, but if we're just considering it as a console in a vacuum then comparing and contrasting it to other systems, it seems to get more love than it's due, probably for the reasons you mentioned. Which totally fair, NES is a sweet machine I got the toaster and a Famicom AV, it's just overrated.
One has to consider the nes was the only great console in the 80s,, Zelda, mario, 2&3 and lots of other games was highly sought out after at the time, the nes had a impact no other console has had since ..no snes till late 1990..
Well as someone who grew up playing the NES (46 years old) I would say that it is not really a fair comparison, comparing an 8 bit system to a 16 bit system is like comparing the NFL from the 70's to the NFL of the 90's. it is two different eras.
The NES had game programmers who were used to the C64/Atari 2600/5200, so many of the early NES titles don't really hold up well, (some are still classics to this day) but towards the end of the NES life span programmers really started to fully learn how to take full advantages of what they system could do, and some of those games are some of the best on the system (SMB 3) for example.
When the SNES came around most of the companies/programmers who were making those games "cut their teeth" on the NES system and they had double the CPU power and like 100X the color pallets to work with, so of course the SNES is going to have a larger top end quality of games, because going from Atari to NES was a HUGE learning curve, but going from the NES to the SNES the learning curve wasn't as great because the companies and programmers had so much more experience with Nintendo and the Machine they were working with gave them options that they never had on the NES.
Both systems are great, both have a large library of games , some great games some mediocre games and some shit game, I personally think the NES was the best 8 bit system and the SNES was the best 16 bit system, saying one is better then the other is not really a fair comparison as you are trying to compare two different generations. Each were at the top of the stack in their eras.
NES is SUPER overrated. There's like 5 games on it I can just sit down and play for hours.
So that’s good then, right?
I'd say basically the entire 5th gen: N64, Playstation. The early 3D era didn't age well. Saturn was good, though.
Sauce agree 100% even tough graphics for the SNES and NES ... but you see more games of 8 bit and 16 bit style games coming out now in the indi ... they aren’t trying to PlayStation style graphics now
Agreed, the ealy 3d era aged like bananas.
Every thing had to go 3d, everything now has to go vr, everything has to go battle royal.
Sauce. for the most part your right. the games that stuck to 2d or the games that where kinda 3d but played in 2d still hold up but yeah 90% of early 3d games just didn't age well at all.
detroit retro gamer drg313 I wouldn't even say that they were ahead of their time back then, because when I got my PS1 back in 96 I thought for the most part it looked like crap. Long loading times, and shitty polygon graphics. It was a step down in a sense. Sold it. Sold it mainly because I didn't like loading times at all. But yeah, today, a random SNES game, say Yoshi's Island is many times more playable than a random successful PS1 game. 16 Bit 2D is a lot less of an eye sore than 32 bit 3D.
Yea i agree about the N64. For it to be as popular as it was, it jus didn't have enough 3rd party support cuz of the decision to stick wit cartridges,and not go wit the more cost effective cd. Aside from a few 3rd party classics like GoldenEye, Turok, and Gauntlet Legends to name a few, what kept it going was all the first party games. Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, Smash, F-Zero, etc etc.
I like the N64 it came out before my time but I find the early 3D graphics charming and the good games on the system are more then enough of a reason to pick up the system
Nintendo consoles, in general, tend to be overrated. Either people have nostalgia for them because of their childhood. Or Nintendo fanboys hype them up into the stratosphere.
Snes overrated?? LOL!!
Except that it really is.
@@Nobunaga1983
A Genesis game could be shit, yet the fanboys would brag about "blast processing" and higher resolution.
@@kevinconley5076, except that it really isn't. You're a fucking moron.
Neither SNES or Genesis are overrated!
Larry Lopez No they don't. When a Sega game is shit, the "fanboys" just admit it's shit. Just like the 32x.
I have to say the Dreamcast. It isn't even bad, but if we are sticking to "mainline" systems, I have to go with it. The N64 is close, but it ushered so many franchises into 3D (successfully) that I feel it's impact on the industry saves it.
The Dreamcast is a great system, but I feel like it's been put on a pedestal as of late that may be a tad too high. Obviously mileage may vary due to personal taste.
Now I await my digital tar and feathering.
Paul Mason
For me its above the N64.
the reason why is because when you look at a lot of the things nintendo did and then the things Sega did. There is a huge difference in capabilities imo.
Especially since they’re only a few years apart.
Gary Davis
I wouldn’t say a few. There are still a good amount of games that definitely make it worth busting out often.
Dreamcast was a commercial failure in the US, but the lifespan of PS2 in Japan. A lot more games kept getting developed for it there.
Idk about today's ratings for consoles, but I think it was underrated.
No.
The was a reason why N64 and SNES cartridge were expensive, the same reason Virtual Racing was a 100$ game; it's all about the PCB and memory chips (and also cart/label quality, genesis labels are lower quality than SNES label (except games manufactured by Majesco in the late SNES life))
I think the N64 is overrated. A majority of its library is garbage compared to the NES and SNES.
SNES? Hard to take that dude seriously now lol
N64 is the answer, and it's not even remotely close.
SNES still had a lot of pickup and play fast action stuff. I've been going over the SNES library and a lot of it seems to be hidden gems. Not only do you have TMNT, Batman Returns, Final Fight 2 & 3... you also have Run Saber, Gun Hazard, Metal Warriors, Hagane... it looks like the action part of the SNES library was just buried under the popular JRPGs. And if you go into the Super Famicom library? Ouch.
NBA Hangtime on the 64 really is the best basketball game, arcade or otherwise.
I always liked Kobe bryans courtside on the 64 but I'm sure hang time was good too
I'd say gamecube is the most overrated besides like 25 games the system is nothing special.
Wow, snes was my favorite. Loaded with all time great games. Zelda aLttP, super mario world, super metroid, chrono trigger... not to mention it ran much better than the genesis.
I know a lot of people say the n64 is overrated but I still love it. I grew up with it and don't really give a shit what other people think. Everybody defends what they grew up with.
yo why is n64 in the thumbnail of this
nah i get it. what was great about the n64 was the 3 other friends on the couch with you.
@bigevilworldwide1
Snowboard Kids
Goldeneye/perfect dark
Donkey Kong *
Pokemon Stadium 1&2
Wayne Gretzys 3D Hockey
NFL Blitz
there were a good number of multiplayer experiences. and its not just quantity but quality. we could play smash till the end of time
@bigevilworldwide1 bruh super smash bros is king how you even hating.
I’m sorry but that doesn’t compare to plugging in the second controller into the first player controller on the 3DO. Talk about convenience and being revolutionary!
bigevilworldwide1 Mario fighter? Just stfu
The Atari 2600 is definitely one. Too much praise for a system that was 95% trash.
I generally prefer the SNES over the Genesis, but I will say that when it comes to hardcore action games, namely those that may be rougher around the edges but go at a faster/ more exciting pace, the Genesis is superior to the SNES. Genres like RPGs and Adventure games may be undoubtedly in the SNES's favor over the Genesis (especially when considering JP-only fan translated games), but the Genesis is unquestionably better when it comes to genres like Shmups and Run n Guns.
I can't say ANY of the retro consoles are overrated. To me, they all deserve the praise that they get.
I think the nes is quite overrated but this is coming from a English perspective as the nes wasn't that big over here so there's not as much nostalgia for it like the Americans have
@Fio Vorhees According to numbers the NES got destroyed by the Master System in Europe. Of course it depends on the area.
Opinions on Genesis V SNES is EXACTLY what I always felt. SNES had maybe more A+ games, but Genesis had WAAAAY More B+ and Weirdo titles.
SNES and PS2, top 5 consoles hands down. Fight me!
who would disagree?
I've had a bunch disagree on the SNES before, crazy right.
Revenge of Shinobi, Toe Jam and Earl, Vector Man, Ghouls and Ghosts, Golden Axe1,2, Streets of Rage1,2,3, Kid Chameleon, Altered Beast, Rocket Knight Adventures, Ninja Turtles Hyperstone Heist, Castlevania Bloodlines, Sunset Riders, Contra: Hard Corps, Midnight Resistance, Mercs, Two Crude Dudes, Truxton, Musha, Castle of Ilusion staring Mickey Mouse, Mortal Kombat, Gunstar Heroes, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Robocop vs The Terminator, Aladdin, Earthworm Jim, Comix Zone, Alien Storm, Shining Force, Phantasy Star 2,3,4, Phelios, Gaires, Arrow Flash, Valis1,2,3, Rolling Thunder1,2,3,and don't forget The Punisher!.
Nintendough I meant they are in the top 5 no matter what, I worded that poorly I guess.
Kosharsky's Internal Organ Feeder yes that’s a list of games ????
Some of which were on SNES or had better versions on the SNES
I think it's the multiplayer aspect that gives the N64 some cred. Golden eye, wwf no mercy, mario sports or party (11 mario related titles!), f zero x, gauntlet legacy, smash bros. Although, a major gripe I have with the system is that this is where nintendo started getting lazy with coming up with new franchises and started to really focus on just mario and zelda. F zero x was an excellent sequel, but then you had star fox 64 that is sort of a remake of the snes game. Rareware was great at bringing some new titles in, such as banzo kazooie or perfect dark or killer instinct.
Another reason why it may be held highly is due to the fact that it has less games. Easier to collect. 20 games is plenty.
N64. Won't deny there's good games for it, but most of them are stuff Nintendo did or had a hand in. Beyond maybe 30 games the library is forgotten trash.
I can see how someone could say the PS1 because of how many trash titles are on it, but good gravy, there are so many great games. And no, I'm not just saying that because Square's output is on there; lots of great games from many necks of the woods.
Just a glance at the thumbnail combined with the title of the video and I'm already getting heated
"I like the Aladdin game better on the Genesis." - One of the justifications of why the SNES is overrated 😂😂😂
I'd say the Dreamcast. As with Ian, I don't think it's a bad system by any measure, but the amount of hype it gets is inversely proportional to my desire to own one. I guess the core issue here is that there is nary a game on the console that necessitated owning it. Most the good titles are available elsewhere, and I can't say that the remaining exclusives have ever made me wish I had one. Simply put, my gaming life has never felt empty for not having owned a Dreamcast. I don't think I could say that about any other console from the 80s, 90s, or early 2000s.
A lot of the games that got ported from Dreamcast to something else though, the Dreamcast remained the best version of the game, also a lot of those games came out on Dreamcast a fair amount of time before the other consoles, not sure how anyone could call the dreamcast overrated, its mental to me
I guess I should have also added the raving madness of Dreamcast fans to react flippantly toward any criticism of their precious console. Notice, I didn't say anything bad about the Dreamcast. Only that I didn't feel like I missed out on anything. And for that, I'm "mental". Whatever.
If I may add my own observation, the inability for certain Dreamcast owners to put themselves in the perspective of other gamers who don't necessarily see the system as a must-own, is one of the main reasons why I think the Dreamcast is vastly overrated. It's very rare that one of you guys can read a very measured and moderate tone of indifference and say "Yeah, I guess I can see that." No, you have to say "that's mental."
Whatever.
Why are people under the delusion that fighting games are better on SNES? There is a lot of slowdown on SNES and the Genesis 6-button controller is superior in just about every way to the SNES controller for pulling off moves (and the button layout). I'm basing this on Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. Extra colors on the screen doesn't make it better.
Genesis d-pad was ass. End of story. All your other fake facts don't change that.
Genesis FM sound just isn't as nimble either; if you compare these series on either system the Genesis sound just falls flat. In general it's faster but doesn't look or sound as good.
@@Nobunaga1983 steck gets it. Look at these other clowns trying to play the graphics game. Same type of people try to pretend Xbox was better than GameCube just because it looked prettier in some games. Anyone who cares about both control and gameplay KNOWS that Genesis was superior. It's not even really up for debate. If you spent much time with a Genesis 6-button pad, you wouldn't even be disagreeing.
Cool story bro. Got any that are non-fiction?
@@markula_4040 nice identity; got any actual arguments, Abobo?
I had both the Genesis and the SNES growing up. Honestly, as an adult, I find myself playing more Sega games than SNES games, ports and exclusives. I love Super Metroid but I can't sit and play it anymore because of time. Same with Super Mario World Allstars. The only games I play on my SNES now is Mega Man X and War of The Gems and not very often either. The Sega library for some reason is more fun now than it was when I was a kid. Vectorman 1 and 2 are always on in my house as my daughters also really love it. Same with Hard Corps, the UMK3 port, Comix Zone and Gunstar Heroes.
N64 is hands down the most overrated piece of shit console ever made, everyone seems to love it even though it has maybe 2 games that are still playable today.
Bond and what else? The games are just hard to look at.
WCW/NWO Revenge or WWF No Mercy. Two of the best wrestling games of all time.
paper mario, basically all the pokemon games on the system still hold up, and puzzle esc games still look good. Most of rares titles still hold up well along with most of the first party nintendo titles besides the zeldas and mario 64 still look decent enough.
Wow nwo revenge and super smash bros
Perfect Dark
Dreamcast. I never seen such a failure of a system been so praised by fanboys. It was better than the Saturn, but still had oversized controllers and the PS2 quickly put it out of it's misery soon after its debut.
@Requiem4aDr3Am You list RE Code Veronica as it's achievement....FFS PS2 had a better version of that average RE game then came out with the legendary RE4. other than Phantasy Star which is a underatted JRPG IMO, you just list a bunch of average games. Again, to my point, they where pushing arcade ports where at that time, nobody gave a shit about porting an arcade game that looked great, but you could beat in a few hours. Again, as far as controllers goes, that thing was the Xbox 1 Duke with a gimmicks, it was uncomfortable, and the PS had one of the best, if not the best controllers of all time...look up the rankings, not fanboy shit, if you don't believe me.
SNES doesn’t have quality platformers and action games? Has Ian ever heard of Super Mario World and Super Metroid? 🤦🏻♂️
Literally two of the best games of all time.
Mega Man X too.
Also beat them ups, TMNT4 Turtles in Time , Battletoads in battlemaniacs + B+DoubleDragon.
Snes has better fighting games, better RPG's, better beat them ups, better action games (DKC2, Demon's Crest, SMW1,SMW2, SMALLSTARS), Has Tetris Attack (Best Puzzle game EVER IMO) .
Ian is smoking some good shit that's for sure.
DK Countries? Yeah there's a whole list of all time great platformers he forgot about. And still Aladdin although I admit I did have slightly more fun with the Sega one.
Plus Turtles in Time and Final Fight stuff, you can definitely get your action fix. Plus still have a massive library of all time great RPGs for when he has time for them so he can stop claiming they're overrated just because he's not playing them at this exact moment.
Contra 3 Alien Wars
Super Castlevania IV
Zelda Link to the past
Mario Kart "orignal"
Crono Trigger
Final Fantasy 3/6 list goes on lol but i still respect Ian's decision
Edit: Yes some are not platformers but i think SNES had more quality overall. But damn close between the two consoles
I have to say the most overrated system of all time is the Dreamcast. It's a great system with some interesting titles overall but some people (who were probably in diapers when it came out) act like the Dreamcast is this hidden gem, that is secretly the best of all time, you just have to be "in the know". The same can apply to the Saturn. Both were dunked on by Sony so it seems to be hip and trendy to think they were really good when it reality they just weren't. Theres a reason why Sega pulled out.
Dreamcast was very underrated when it came out and for years after but now its overrated. People talk it up as its an amazing console now that has 100s of great games when at most it has maybe 30 and even then i wouldnt be able to think of that many. Its a great example of a console going from underrated to overrated in my opinion.
I would say the dreamcast has a really good/interesting top 50, and for a console with only about 250 games total that is not a bad ratio, id say there are also less than 30 really bad dreamcast games. I don't see why anyone would call that over rated
The way you describe the Dreamcast game library, is like how fanboys describe the SEGA Saturn. Many of these seem to have discovered and loved that system LONG after it's commercial relevance.
Did Ian just say that the Super Nintendo was overrated to the NES Punk himself??? Balls.
Many variety on the SNES, he's gotta be trollin.
SNES can compare almost evenly to Genesis, but you gotta get deep cuts to find the balance.
But the Shmup argument is fair. SNES really has to fight to keep up in that dept.
Volume is somewhat a factor. But since we finally get out Genesis mini, balance has been restored.
I think the Dreamcast has become overrated. I owned every console from the 6th gen, and I owned like 300 games for Dreamcast. The dreamcasts library just doesn’t stack up with the other consoles. I loved the Dreamcast don’t get me wrong. It’s just how people have been fanboying it lately. The controller was clunky, and the genres of games don’t compete with any of the consoles from that gen. Think about RPGs, action, fighting, FPS, racing, and platforming. Dreamcast has the weakest library for every genre of gaming. Maybe if it was around longer it would have stronger titles, but that’s besides the point.
I agree on the N64. I think a lot of it comes from the fact that it was the system they had growing up. A lot of the stuff on the system is kind of boring. Even some of the "good" games are kind of mediocre.
Lots of N64 games don't age well.
The N64 controller is awful, too.
@gundammon Oh yea, forgot about that too. Completely agree there.
Alot of people shit on the N64 these days. It's not the best console, but I don't know if it's "overrated" anymore.
Conkers bad fur day. Perfect dark. 007 goldeneye. Crusin the world. Super smash bros..... all great games to play with friends.
Say modern games are overrated and everyone nods, say old games are overrated and everyone goes nuts
I love the Super Nintendo, but no console, nor console generation, is perfect.
Personally I think the original PlayStation is one of the most overrated. Yes, it was a good system for RPGs, but besides that it really didn't have much I was remotely interested in.
Had Tekken 3, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Syphon Filter series( really doesnt hold up tho) Tony Hawk Pro Skater and many more that im forgetting right now
Also the N64 is not overrated. What the n64 did for 3d games cannot be denied... Yes it doesnt hold up today very well but overrated no. It set the bar.
Gotta factor in the Super Fami for action/platforming, too. Some pretty good ones -and- some REALLY good ones never made it out of Japan. :)
Also, this is NOT gonna be good for sales of 'A Certain SNES GuideBook', IAN ! ;)
What action/platforming games does the Super Famicom add? Really can't think of any besides I guess Rockman and Bass but that's a controversial game anyways.
Though I'll admit it's still important to consider JP-only games seeing as there were a bunch of great RPGs and late releases that had to get fan translated, i.e. Star Ocean, Tales of Phantasia, SMT, Seiken Densetsu 3, Bahamut Lagoon, Genealogy of the Holy War (and the other FE games), Tactics Ogre, and Sutte Hakun
@Dagan Indeed, the SNES deserves its praise. The greatest games of their respective genres--the classics still celebrated today--tend to come from the SNES. Greatest 16-bit racing game? Super Mario Kart/F-Zero. Greatest shooter? Star Fox. Greatest fighter? SF2 Turbo. Great RPG? ChronoTrigger. Greatest platformer? Mario World/Yoshi's Island. Greatest action-platformer? Mega Man X. Greatest Puzzler? Tetris Attack. Greatest action-RPG? Link to the Past. Greatest open-ended actioner? Super Metroid. The Sega Genesis did have a superior library of space shooters and sports titles, but when it comes to the very best of the leading genres, the SNES almost always wins.
Love you and Colin's Knockback podcast! I thought I remembered you guys saying you were fans of Pat.
I don't know, I'd take the Shinobi series over megaman x any time, the best megaman/mario games all came out on the nes to me, not snes, I'd also take some of the wonderboy games on megadrive over metroid, i also think megadrive had the best contra and the best castlevania game out of the two consoles, as for street fighter theres no reason to play it on any of those old 16 bit consoles these days. The arcade version was so far ahead of any of them. I'd also say megadrive had the best beat em up series in streets of rage. I would say megadrive/snes are extremely close in all genres
@Tricky Devil Subjectively, you're certainly allowed to prefer any games you want. But objectively, the games I listed above are the true classics...which is why games like Mega Man X and Metroid are both remembered and celebrated over the likes of Shinobi and Wonderboy. Similarly, most would agree that Turtles in Time trumps Streets of Rage 2, despite the latter's obvious quality. Deciding between Contra 3 and Hard Corps is a bit tougher, I admit, but the extreme difficulty of Hard Corps works against it in the end. Again, there's a reason why certain SNES games live on today while Genesis games languish, despite both systems being equally popular in their era.
Growing up in the 70's-80's (born in 1972) and schooled in Minnesota the grade scale then was 92 and up ranged from A- To A
82-91 ranged from B- To B+
72-81 ranged from C- To C+
62-71 ranged from D- To D+
Sadly today many schools (in order to adhere to the "No Child Left Behind" act) go as low as 52% = D- and 62% = a C
but its kinda funny, when you look at how hard games were on the NES and how games are so much easier today with all of the save states, and cheat codes and full playthrough videos on youtube, back in the day, you had to be SMART and good to beat the NES games, you got good or you died. today just go on to Wikipedia and there are all the answers to your homework questions and just go on to RUclips to see how to beat any game out there. lol
SNES!?!?! That's the BEST 16 - bit system! :P
CD-i is the best 16 bit system, slapped over beautiful Full Motion Video.
now you're playing with super power!
Agreed with you David!
Captain Freedom Had a Turbo with an Everdrive. If you're into shooters, then Turbo is for you, but aside from bonks, and splatterhouse... Turbo is really lacking.
GENESIS16 ZONE Well, you got me there. But you still don't have Mario World 1 and 2, Star Fox, Metroid, Final Fantasy 4, 5 and 6, Mario Kart, Donkey Kong Country 1, 2, and 3, Zelda a link to the past, Super Gameboy, and Super Noah's Ark 3D.
SNES-disagree, has plenty of good action platformers, and some decent shmups. Has a very well rounded library.
N64-agreed. RPGs? Largely absent. Horror? Mostly the same. Fighters? Mostly the same.
Was the start of Nintendo basically pulling all the weight on their consoles. Their stuff largely holds up. It was a decent couch co op system with a small handful of solid single player experiences but it falls far short of the SNES (and the Genesis) in terms of having a rounded library.
Also the controller is poorly built/designed trash. A good controller should allow you to reach everything. Period. Not only in certain positions.
whenever I see a sinclair spectrum I laugh.
I feel the same about the original Macintosh
personally I find the NES overrated, and that opinion became stronger after i got a certain NES Guidebook
Most Europeans know the NES is overrated, it's Americans who make it a mythical console they obsess over.
ojideagu i'm Canadian,
A lot of people commenting don't seem to understand what "overrated" actually means. For example, the N64 isn't even in the top tier of retro game consoles (in terms of general popularity and units sold). Just because it has a group of vocal fanboys doesn't make it overrated when it isn't even rated highly "in general".
Tier 1 "Retro" Consoles: Sega Genesis, NES, SNES, Playstation 1 [In no particular ranking order]
Tier 2 "Retro" Consoles: N64, Dreamcast, Sega Saturn
Obviously I'm leaving out the more obscure and older stuff but you probably get the point.
This is super subjective of course given your personal history with a console, but for me the Genesis is a bit overrated. Because if you're not into sports titles or shoot em' ups I feel like the library has a lot less to offer. I do love Streets of Rage and Contra: Hard Corps quite a bit however.
Yeah. I mean, the Nintendo 64 is my all-time favourite console, but surely a console would have to be greatly hyped and talked about incessantly to be overrated in the first place. Back in the day, the Nintendo 64 didn't get the time of day next to the SONY PlayStation.
There are a lot of people here bashing 32bit 3D graphics and most seems to thinks this constitutes for a bad game! I agree that the controls on some of these early 3D games can be quite clunky and take some getting used to but a game has never been good or bad because of its graphics because good game play will always win out and good graphics wont hide a bad game!
maybe its just me but those early 3D graphics dont look ugly to me anyway!
N64 library is poor and not varied enough. The big selling point for the console back in the day was its fantastic 4 players multiplayer though. You only needed a handful of games to have a great time with friends and this is why the N64 is remembered so fondly by many.
Myself, as a teen, I remember countless hours playing Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Mario Kart 64 and Smash Bros with my friends. I was the only one in my group having a Playstation and I was jealous at the time... PS was more of a single player thing and all my friends were better at N64 games than me (probably because they had way more practice!) but it was for the most part a very fun experience.
In retrospect, I'm glad I picked the Playstation because I experienced the best of both worlds and for me, give me Spyro or Crash over Mario 64 any day!
I grew up with the SNES and naturally wanted an N64. Received a PlayStation as a birthday gift and never really went back.
In reality, the cartridge format really pushed away third party devs from the N64 which gave PS1 the edge. The low storage available on the cartridges meant Arcade Ports, Multiplats/third party titles either were severely downgraded or never made it to the system altogether. The controller while introducing rumble and the Analogue stick was awkward at the time and still is to this day.
I also firmly believe the PS1 library has aged better and has many fun playable games to this day. The disc format, the DualShock 1. The games with huge overarching stories, scopes, and cutscenes. By the time this gen was over, the PlayStation had set the standard and it was Nintendo/Sega that needed to go back to the drawing board and figure out where they were going next.
Not to say the N64 was a bad system by any means, there were a bunch of gems and the system is as collectible as any classic consoles out there. Unfortunately there were some shortcomings with the hardware/design that limited its library back in the 90's which is even more glaring now.
It had a relatively shallow games library, but to say in an matter-of-fact way that it was 'poor' is laughable. Genre variety was certainly an issue for the N64 library however.
@Anto You said in 3 sentences what I said with "library is poor and not varied enough". Poor means deficient or lacking in (I'm talking about quantity not quality). N64 had only 296 games released in North America and a large part of them was sport games. To give an idea of what 300 games represent for a console's lifespan, the Sega Saturn who flopped in NA, released 290 games and the Wii U who was an absolute failure for Nintendo released about 160 physical games (not counting the digital only games).
When you compared with the Playsation (over 1200 games), the other console of its generation, it's clear as day that the N64 library is poor in quantity and not varied enough.
The impression I got at first was that you were claiming the 'game quality' was poor, not the game quantity. Sure, it's a shallow library, but comparing one extreme to another (PlayStation) is a bit misleading. Of course a CD-based is going to have more games then a cartridge-based console!
I think I have to agree with Ian as I share the same genre. Something I really like about Genesis is the homebrew community. That's elevating the system for me because there's always something come out.
I think the SNES is the greatest console of all time and is therefore the most underrated console of all time. It has the highest percentage of the greatest games of all time in relation to any other console. Its history and development, its genesis rivalry, its controller, that early 90's golden age ... everything about it is just magical.
FACTS!!!! I Agree 100%
Nah tons of people always say snes is the best console ever
Na that's just fanboyism
@@Nobunaga1983 If I was trapped in a room for the rest of my life with one console and it's complete library I would have to be the SNES. Take say PS2 for instance, gigantic library and many many classics, if I was told I could never play any of those games again I'd be upset, but if I was told I could never play some of the SNES classics ever again I'd be distraught 🤣
@@Nobunaga1983 when I said trapped in a room I meant with no contact with the outside world ... with internet access I'd be able to contact someone and escape 😂
It's N64, nothing else is even close. People saying Dreamcast and PC Engine must be smoking some crack right now
Man so many fans boys so butt hurt when SNES got called overrated and yes it is overrated even if it has tons of games I like. Just accept the console is as overrated as final fantasy 7 and yes ff7 is overrated ff6 surpasses 7 in everything and yes fans nagged square to death and now they are remaking the game so much it is not ff7 anymore. The SNES has many great games that today is so damn overpriced you could afford a Ferrari if you sold all rare games. It's a good system but yeah far from the best.
It's not overrated. You're a fucking moron who doesn't know what the word means.
N64 for sure. Literally has only around 10 decent games. Yes I know Golden eye literally changed the FPS. However unless you're a Nintendo fanboy it's pretty much over rated. The pricing on games proves that. BTW I have one with an everdrive
Playstation 1 is overrated
dcdawg13 so is n64 let’s be honest
Anything with polygon graphics from that time period looks horrible.
For the people in the comments saying the N64 doesn’t have more than 3 good games?
-Mario Party 1
-Mario Party 2
-Mario Party 3
-Mario Tennis
-Mario Golf
-Dr. Mario
-Super Smash Bros.
-The Legend of Zelda OOT
-The Legend of Zelda Majora’s Mask
-Super Mario 64
-Mario Kart
-StarFox
-Pokémon Stadium 1
-Pokémon Stadium 2
-Pokémon Snap
-Pokémon Puzzle League
-Donkey Kong 64
-Goldeneye 007
-Jet Force Gemini
-Perfect Dark
-Banjo Kazooie
-Banjo Tooie
-Yoshi’s Story
-Diddy Kong Racing
-Bomberman 64
-Wave Race
-1080 Snowboarding
-Excitebike
PS1 is overrated. Most of the 3D games on that system aged very poorly (though some of the late Square games were really impressive like Chrono Cross and FF8 and 9). I laugh at the thought of the original Battle Arena Toshinden making an appearance on a PS1 Mini, remember that turd?
In some ways it was a 2D powerhouse when it got 2D games, but a lot of the great 2D games also came out on Saturn and performed better on that system, such as the SF Alpha games.
X-Men Versus Street Fighter on ps1 is hot garbage;
Ps1 is shit-tier; Metal Gear Solid and Symphony of the Night are good, but even the square RPGs are overrated, as their SNES counterparts are handedly superior, not to mention the ps1 games are bogged down by horrible post-processing, bad controls, terrible loading times, intermittent cutscenes, which mostly wouldn't pass for a D-tier TV show, much less a movie, and gameplay-wise; tank controls and fixed camera perspectives with painted backgrounds just aren't "revolutionary" not to mention what little polygons that were used were a muddy mess.
Ps1 games suck ass.
I agree. There are some great games on the platform, I think Symphony of the Night is one of the best platformers out there, but there are also so many terrible games on there, and games that have aged really poorly.
Just because you are too lazy to search the library, it doesn't mean the Playsation has a shortage of great games. Not counting the ton of great RPGs or the Resident Evil trilogy, off the top of my head: Tekken 3, Ape Escape, the Crash Bandicoot trilogy (especially 2 and 3) , the Spyro trilogy (especially 2 and 3), Gran turismo 2, GTA 2, Crash Team Racing, Silent Hill, Rayman 2, Mega Man X4, the 2 Tomba games, Klonoa, Abe's Odyssey and Abe's Exodus, MDK and Wild 9.
@Darth Those graphics were great for their time. It doesn't mean these games are not great anymore. Just check the massive success of the Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy (the last year remaster).
Anyway, the dated early 3D games graphics retain a certain charm for some people including myself. It's ugly, but it's distinctive. Polygons, just like pixels, need love too!
Anyway, I'm not the biggest fan of the omnipresent photorealist graphics we have nowadays.
If the SNES had a flaw, it was that Nintendo would censor the content of some of their games. MK1 without the blood, Aladdin with apples and not a sword, Wolfenstein 3D with rats instead of attack dogs, etc. The hardware was fine, the corporate execs were the ones that caused trouble.
People who think the SNES is overrated are the same people who watch classic movies on their smartphones and think their shit is busted because there's no color 😅😅😅
Sideshow The Game Freak That's about right HAHA
Recently purchased a brand new sealed N64 racing wheel just so that I can play all of the sick racing games N64 had to offer. I even have ambitions to someday build a "N64 Raceboy" setup w original hardware. This is my dream!
I love the Nintendo 64 console I owned it as a kid back in the day so, I personally don't give a shit what people say it's a popular overrated game system.. who cares!
Remeber overrated doesnt mean bad. N64 is differently the weakest main console Nintendo system .
Meh. Nintendo Gamecube? Nintendo Wii U? The Nintendo 64 subjectively feels more stronger and influential, with a more memorable game library. It did pretty good, in relation to what it was up against at that time.
@@AntoRetroGamer yeah I will give you the Wii u. Though it may need a little more time to see where it falls . The gamecube I think is judged fairly .
@@AntoRetroGamer That's what's trippy about The Playstation/Nintendo "console war " . Yes , Sony was a well known electronics maker, but they really had no experience in home console market . Nintendo did, and the N64 got crushed hard.
N64, even as someone who owned one at the time. That said, that entire generation is hard for me to go back to.
How dare the N64 be the thumbnail!!!! Haha damn you
If you look into what you can import for SNES, you'll find there's an incredible treasure trove of Japanese titles that spur the system's library to new heights. Not that it needed it to be great, I'm just saying.
Are people really here clamoring the NES is overrated? It’s dated, that’s what it is.
Its core games are still selling to.this.day. It birthed franchises that are still viable to.this.day. It provided game concepts that are still around to.this.day. Its mascot became a cultural phenomenon second only to the likes of Mickey Mouse or Bart Simpson. It was a worldwide media bomb that created the gaming culture we live in today. Its importance could never be undermined.
I grew up on NES and I don't disagree with you, but cultural influence doesn't really mean fun. If somebody asks you today what's the best way to spend $200 and have fun getting into retro gaming, would you tell him SNES/Genesis or NES? You gotta admit the NES library is full of turds, land mines, and LJN cancerware.
The 16 bits generation has a lot of turds too. We have the Internet now. No reason to dismiss a console because it has bad games. Google "top 100 NES" and you are set.
Yeah but you're underestimating how many turds there are on NES, I can tell from the fact that you're saying the top 100 games are good. If you buy anyone's top 100 you now own at least 50 turds. I just looked at the first top 100 list I could find just now and Metal Gear was in their top 25 so honestly you may own 75-80 floaters if you buy out a top 100 list.
My honest advice would be buy the console and the absolute classics, if you have fun then try out a few more but basically go ahead and start your SNES collection asap.
@Doctordistracto I would not advice anybody to start collecting games for the NES or the SNES. It's way overpriced. The time for collecting for these systems is gone. Same thing for the GameCube. There's still some time left for the Wii and the Wii U before the price hike.
@Doctordistracto You know you can try any 8 or 16 bits games on emulation before buying, right? You know you can watch dozens of videos on RUclips about any particular game before buying, right? You know not everybody have the same taste as you?
Metal Gear is worth playing for fans of the series with an open mind. I would recommend playing the MSX2 version (playable on MGS3: Subsistence) but the NES version, while mediocre, is not a turd at all.
You should take the time to look for list of games from connoisseurs, such as this list from satoshimatrix:
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Zelda ocarina of time, Mario 64 and Golden eye. Are enough to call the n64 a great console. Not overrated in my opinion
This is a fight b/w N64 and PS1... although I think N64 wins out.
Definitely the dreamcast. It had plenty of good games, and many ports superior to the n64 and ps1 version of the same game. It didn't really have much earth shattering exceptional games in the same league of mario 64, ocarina of time, metal gear solid, final fantasy 7, ect. The controller is also overrated with only one analog stick, 2 shoulder buttons, and dumb cord placement. It was a solid system, but not as good as people claim.
N64
most retro consoles are overrated. But SNES was the best 16-bit console. i dont understand
Genesis hands down the better console.
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Man you really are an idiot. 😆😆
Suck it easy.
N64 is my favorite retro console. So many great games that stick with me to this day. NES is overrated. It got me in to gaming but i don't care to pick it up again except for mario 123
N64 IS awesome dont be hating
get N or get out
At the time n64 was seen as a console with no games and it couldn’t support most 3rd party modern games of that era due to cartridge memory limitations. Having an n64 as your only console was hard after finishing Mario 64 and Orcarina of time. Golden Eye held me over for years literally
I think the Genesis is the most overrated.....
Genesis Zone That grow up to be awesome neden slayers LOL
Genesis Zone Wow, what an amazing thought you came up with....your mama help you with that 😅
Genesis Zone Your ass needs some Blast Processing, the biggest lie in video game history.
Genesis Zone You are a very angry kid. Probably says racist comments on PUBG 😅😅
GENESIS16 ZONE LMAO, the idiotic comments keep rollin in. PS I LOVE the Genesis but I just think it's overrated when it comes to the quality if a lot of games and when compared to it's competition. And they did lie on their campaign, that's a strike.
The Gamecube hands down, is easily, easily the most overrated system of all time, by leaps, bounds & miles to the point of ridiculous absurdity.
You must live on another planet. Nobody liked the system in 2001, nobody cares about it now. There's less people who like the system today than there were in the past, due to the die-hards of these truly overrated systems (N64, Super Nintendo) who took one look at the Gamecube and later on and claimed "That's not my Nintendo!" A lot of illogical opinions have left the Gamecube is a state where it may be going on 20 years old but no one cares about it. The only things people care about are the top 10 Nintendo titles everybody talks about and wants to sell of ebay for $40-60 and a Gamecube controller to play every game under the sun with...for some reason. The Gamecube and its library are worth far more than what people give it but what I say won't change the fact that no one will ever care about the system.
For me the Atari 2600
Jake Johnson - Good answer. Most Atari games suck, but not all...
All Atari games suck
@Bob Cook You're confusing Atari with Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft.
The input lag on the genesis mortal kombat was superior to the SNES. The problem was the limited colors on screen
Most overrated for me is ps1, from day one till now
unfair fight agree ... they had games with great graphics for the time ... but not a lot of replay ability... I can pick up a brunch of NES and SNES games now and play for hours and hours ... however games like Tekken, Parappa the rapper, Daytona, etc maybe 30 mins tops and I’m done
The staying power of PS1 games is much worse than N64, in content and format. Discs don’t last like carts. I’ve dug them out of the ground and they still work.
I agree the ps1 has some games with decent graphics then theres some games that looked like dog shit.
TheCullousus The N64 had its share of crappy ports and licensed junk, but the good games are LEGENDARY.
@@5roundsrapid263 definitely the top games on n64 are literally keeping Nintendo afloat now even. Mario and zelda are their top earners.
At my schools growing up there was no D or E. It was an A, B or C (90, 80 or 70), or it was an F
The N64 has always been overrated. Terrible controller and maybe 7 truly great AAA games.
This doesn't have nearly enough up-votes. Proves right there that the n64 is overrated trash
I might have to agree with the NES comments. I had one as a kid, and I loved it, but I barely find myself wanting to re-play any NES games. There's a reason I wanted a SNES mini but not an NES mini. That said, I think it also happens to coincide with the fact that I was a tween/teen when the SNES came out, and I started subscribing to EGM and reading other magazines during that time, so maybe I was just more interested in gaming in general during the SNES era than the NES era. However, if you just wanted to compare quality of the games of the two platforms, there's no comparison in my mind.
Dreamcast. I mean if we're being honest here, the Saturn was better then the Dreamcast. Especially since most Dreamcast Games got ported to the Xbox, Gamecube and even sort of on the PS2. Saturn holds up better then the Dreamcast these days. Not graphicly but I can care less about graphics, its all about gameplay to me.
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For me its the other way around. I feel like the Saturn was more underrated since for a longtime it was kept under wraps in the gaming community for several years.
The Saturn is very comparable to the PS1 based on their similar capabilities. But the dreamcast just blows the other two out of the the water. Except in terms of the amount of good games as we all know the system only lasted for 3 years in the states and didn’t receive as many.
Really all depends on preference on which is better.
But is dreamcast popular enough to be overrated.
If the dreamcast had not failed, do you think there would be as many ports?
SNES overrated- THANK you, I fully agree. Not a bad system, but not many quality games. Genesis was much better.
My dude. Genesis is awesome. But really all it comes down to is preference, something that fanboys can't seem to understand. And of course, both systems are amazing and I have both.