Why Adam HATES Demons - Hazbin Hotel: Adam Explained/Adam Theory
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Adam specifically said the reason he doesn't kill Charlie is because her and the other hellborn are pardoned from the extermination. It's only Sinners who qualify to get culled. He is just following orders. I suspected too, that he never ate the fruit of knowledge of good or evil. So he doesn't have a sense of wrong or right, but just possesses obedience to the directives given to him by his creator, and that's what gets him into Heaven.
We'll, see, bc he says at the end of episode 6 that he can't wait to exterminate her, though he could be bluffing
@@clouds9914 He said he was going to her Hotel first. By the treaty he can't kill Charlie, but he can kill all her friends. Even though it seems like it should be beyond an Angel's authority to hurt each other, he maimed Vaggie and can probably finish the job.
That doesn't mean that magic is preventing him from harming Charlie, but that Heaven generally values order and rules, and there would be serious consequences to killing Charlie. it would basically bring about the war on Heaven that Sera allowed the extermination to deter.
Adam is hot headed and stupid enough to probably doom Heaven, but he could better accomplish his goals by killing all of Charlie's mortal friends and having her live on bearing the guilt of gathering them there. Plus, there is a chance that Charlie is at her Dad's PL and can probably only be killed by like Sera or Emily.
@@OriasRofocaleI Agree but I feel only sera would if they could Emily seemed to be on Charlie’s side about it so she wouldn’t try hurting Charlie if anything she’d probably also fall from heaven for being on Charlie’s side about it
@@OriasRofocale it was Lute that maimed her, not Adam.
But I get your point
well yes and no certain demons can only be struct down by angels if higher rank Lucifer and lillith being only able to be struck down by shera as atleast lore wise she out ranked lucifer . charlie being the daughter of the 2 would mean she can only be struck down by an angle of atleast serahim level like emily ( give or take) any demon that an exterminator finds can be killed they arnt off the chopping block but they have the actual means to escapoe by jsut going to anthor layer if need be.
i would say the exterminators are jsut slightly below overlords in actual power but because of anti demon weapons and demons nto knowing they can actually fight back outside the current overlords it puts the ball heavly in the exterminators court
i actually liked his character, i think annoying jerk characters are funny even without a deeper backstory. I love to hate him
Valid 🙃
I don’t hate him I love him I like him more then charlie
@@WeebGuru6REAL
@@Devilspade yea Charlie is annoying
Agreed
Holy new born baby sh** this actually make's sense.... Adam must literally be the single most patient man in existence considering he doesn't have Charlie's head mounted on a spike by now... plus the fact that one of his *children* had recently been *murdered* I'm starting to think that we're really underselling his patience here
That's what I'M SAYING!
@@TrueLocalEnthusiast plus like.... he's been alivefor thousands of years at this point like damn I'm surprised he hasn't like tried genociding all of hell at this point considering every single time he sees another genocide or racial dispute it would technically be Lilith's fault.... dayem
@@metaleater730And also his obsession with Sex. He only had two or three children with Eve. Giving at the time they had no means of birth control that means he only had sex with Eve TWO times in THOUSAND years.
I think he just wants to make it as terrible as possible by making her feel like utter shit after getting her hopes up. Plus, if he needed to CALL A MEETING with the royals to establish the new extermination, that must mean his hands are SOMEHOW tied to protocol in some ways.
*makes
After watching the season finale, I am a little disappointed that they kept him a very flat villain. He was fighting against Lucifer, the person that destroyed paradise for him and put humanity on a path to destruction, and the show just didn’t address that at all? Like this is a grudge that’s is thousands of years old and they just sort of glossed over that.
Agree. it would have made the drama so much better.
Hazbin hotel trying not to make demons and lucifer the good guys: impossible
EXACTLY
Maybe the show was saving it for season 2 to address
it would be funny if the only thing able to to take sinners into heaven was adams power, everyone says sir pencho rehabilitate himself by sacrifice but what if it was adams light power that took him to heaven?
but of course vivzie wont do that because we must hate on guys that are straight and follow the rules
I would like to mention that adam’s backstory is told to us from the perspective of Lilith and Lucifer.
So, I know this is probably not canon, but I’m rather skeptical that Lilith who broke up on bad terms with Adam and subsequently became the literal queen of hell would not have any bias against his side of the story.
She had the greatest power the ability to narrate to control the perception of events
Kinda wrong. The one who told us the story was Charlie, she was basically summarizing her childhood story which was written by Lilith and Lucifer. Idk but I feel Charlie was too blinded on the story and probably misinterpreted some already-misinterpreted parts
@@entity.x Don’t wanna be that guy but your comment defeats it’s own argument. The story was told to Charlie by her parents and most likely her mother.
Not exactly an unbiased source for learning about what’s happened.
It would explain his "Fair is fair, An Eye for an Eye" remark.
I always felt that the eye for an eye line didn't really fit perfectly.
I took that just to mean "they did bad things to end up in hell, so now we can do bad things to them".
Hold on there missing eye on angel uniform
This was an actual codified law in ancient times. I feel like we are trying to apply our modern view of morality to characters who are so old they do not operate by it. Adam is not a sinner because he either did not sin as the bible understood it (did not eat the fruit), or he did eat the fruit, but his sin was later absolved (Jesus absolved everyone of the original sin specifically, with his death).
Of course the show might not be nearly thit well thought out.
Adams statement an eye for an eye to me means two different things in one.
One being the meaning of the offense must equal to the punishment
But secondly- the myth of Norse pagan thoughts on oden. To gain the knowledge of the runes he traded one of his eyes and basically nearly died at a tree. (To base it shortly)
wasn't 'eye for an eye' like 'you killed one of my exorcist girls so I'll exterminate you sooner'?
Adam will now be known as D-Master from now to the end of time.
Such as God intended
Yeah that fits
Hes like zeus adam has mote children than paimon
I mean paimon had 72 but adam all sinners ,exterminators lower rank once human angels human descent from him party the nephilim too
"All dicks descend from [him]" was an uncomfortably perfect bit of writing on someone's part.
I honestly really liked Adam. I don't view him as an evil character, he yust dosen't seem to know how to do better. Like in his line "I've never made a mistake in my fu**ing life" does come off as narcissistic, but it kinda proves he's not a bad person on purpose, he believes what he's doing is right. No one seemed to really tell him what he's doing is shitty in the first place. A person can't change without people letting them know they need to. He might be as bad as the sinners, but in his mind he might think he's yust doing the right thing without knowing he's yust as bad.
thank u so tired of all the queers that hate him bc he reminds them of there dads
yust
I literally couldn't have said it better myself, his backstory completely adds up to make him the way he is, specially if he still loved Eve and trusted her to make it to heaven but she didn't, that must be the biggest betrayal in his eyes
Make sense
That would explain his view of womans, after being betrayed by his two wifes that supused to stay with forever he thinks that everyone Is just interested and dont want compromise wich Is realistic in nowdays with all the humans
If he loved eve it seems like it must’ve been as sort of a pet. He rejected Lilith because she expected to be his partner. And he threw Eve under the bus hard the moment he had the opportunity.
@@karinasilvanaramirez9025but his idea of compromise was “submit, for I am high and you are low”.
@@robertaylor9218 Yeah I totally agree on that one, he is a masogonist to this day
I think Adam probably had a personality shift after being so hurt. I mean he was created as he was, lost the person who was made for him, under no fault of his own, then when he had someone new made for him, was kicked out of the garden and had his whole world corrupted.
No fault of his own seems debatable.
@@rachelryan84 Well, yeah he had a lot of resentment for what happened in the past: low-key blaming others (mainly his 2nd wife and eventually resenting his daughters), not disciplining his firstborn son AND because he's bitter about never having an actual childhood/adolescence. After all he was born and adult and then forced to grow faster too.
Speaking of offspring, wonder what his two boys stance on the whole mess is?
@@rachelryan84 He is as god made him. Which is the whole issue when it comes to the problem of “original sin”. God made a flawed creation and punished said creation for his ineptitude. Or he made them SPECIFICALLY to fail as he supposedly knows everything and is “all powerful”.
@@Digitalfairy Yea! Wouldn’t Cain be the first sinner? I guess that was either Lillith or Eve in this show.
Lol, even if Lilith was made for him, she didn’t have to obey him. Women are not toys for men, you better remember that. And he WAS at fault. He thought too much of himself just because he was the first, when all who were created are equal in their rights.
I really hope this is the case and Adam is a deeper character than "mysoginist bro." But I doubt it.
I still like the show tho.
Let's be honest, that would require a bit deeper writing chops then what Vivzie probably is capable of. Her writing talent can be summed up as wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle. She has created a vast world with fun lore and memorable characters but sadly they are fairly one dimensional outside of a select few. With her, the story is just going to boil down to "But actually what if the real bad guys are all in heaven?!" Without showing any real grey or deeper examination.
I feel most "mysoginists bros" have deeper meaning to why they do what they do too, but thats another thing entirely.
@@flybydeath Fully agree, Vivzie is not a talented writer. The main reason why people were interested what’s because it is a legitimately interesting concept, but we’re let down when it attempted to be blatantly black and white.
“wHaT iF tHE GoOd gUyS WE’rE dA BaD GuYS.”
It’s the most juvenile, lazy concept that I can’t believe that people think it’s good or make sense, especially since it’s been shown that the demons are all terrible.
And what’s most hilarious is that when people defend the writing/world-building, I get a completely different answer every time.
Not to mention that she’s scared of criticism, she once said that people who criticize media are losers.
@@flybydeath 100%
Adam honestly is not even that good with his views, how tf AN FUCKING ANGEL is almost as prideful as Lucifer
I hope he will have a deeper character and role than just a jerk villain for 1 season
Right there with you
knowing stella... 😭
In the trailer we see him landing a punch.
Well, there is always season 2. Not everything needs to happen right now.
@@angela.luntian Oh shit your right. Well in her case i still have some hope because she is manipulated by Andrealphus, so maybe we can see her more like a victim as well or braking that chains of her brother. In the case of Adam it's the same, he is not just what was expose, but a tool of a sistem that is weird if you analize. Almost like if god was somewhat evil or someone else was in charge. (But hey thats just a theory, ¡A show theory!)
When I saw this Adam's attitude, I was very surprised. I forgot that he was the first human being and a prophet in many religions. It did not directly comply with the logic of the series. I mean, how can he still be an angel? but it was still funny sjdhfg
Yeah, this video was originally gonna be bashing him but then I was like "Wait, I'm a local ENTHUSIAST!"
@@TrueLocalEnthusiastFjdjdjdjdjjd yeah... By the way, off topic, but why did you change your name?
@@Ch1_p3r Just felt it matched what I was going for more, also the fact we are changing a bit from before so I thought a name change would be a part of this new age of ours.
@@TrueLocalEnthusiast You thought well, we are behind you all the way. :3
WAS Adam ever a prophet? Maybe I didn’t read the Bible thoroughly enough (possible), but I was under the impression that he sort of faded into the background after the fall, that the Bible simply devolved into an endless series of parables about random people long after Adam banged out the first few humans and (somehow) saw them hitched (where did all his kids’ wives come from???!? Eh????).
He was born with a woman that seemed like she was independent as him so they didn’t match well then when she leaves he gets a new wife that loves him , then his old wife comes back and destroys the paradise you live in and he choses to go with his wife to protect her and his child instead of staying in Eden without her
Who's Adam? The character you've been talking about here is Dickmaster!
Anyway, jokes aside. In some parts, Adam is completely right in his sentiments during the song Hell is Forever. Sinners had their time to be good and behave, they squandered that that chance in life and now have to face the consequences, being in hell where they'll meet their final end at the hands of Angels during the extermination. In alot of parts this comes off as "Sinners are sorry now because they're in trouble" rather than true remorse for the life they've lived, Sinners trying to take any pass they can get to escape their punishment.
I never thought of it that way. That is very interesting……. However, I am still not convinced that the exorcists and Adam are angels, I still think in my own theory that they are actually demons that Lucifer hired so that they can make sure that all the people down in hell would have no help whatsoever, he set Charlie up to fail. Ask for that whole story, we have to remember that Charlie is getting this from a very biased source, and not just any buy a source, but from the father of lies, I don’t take any story like that at face value
The prophet Muhammad said that one day the doors of Hell would rattle empty on the wind.
Then again, they don't talk much about the actual Bible in this show very much
On the other hand, Charlie's hope for the hotel is to actually rehabilitate them and teach them to be good, not *just* to escape extermination. So while some may use it as an excuse to avoid punishment, treating every demon with homicidal hatred on the assumption that all are irredeemable is dangerous bigotry.
@@noahboucher125 Yeah that's something I need to get use to. I'm super into Theology, Like, alot of the bible for starts is completely misunderstood because not only bad translations over the years, but because we apply a modern sense of language than reading the Bible with an understanding of ancient literature. And I have to get use to that Hazbin Hotel is it's own thing, it follows neither Christianity, Judaism, or anything else. It's kind of like a modern Divine Comedy in a way LOL
While some do certainly deserve punishment, there are others who had horrible circumstances and probably had little to no chance to “redeem” themselves in the environment that they were in.
For some reason I’m really drawn to the idea of Adam getting redeemed. Like he technically has the most valid reason for hating sinners and Hell like you said, so if they sort that out and see through it could be really cool. From what we’ve seen Lute is super aggressive so if this happens she could easily take over as the Angel antagonist. Also if Lilith is the ultimate villain of the series (which I think she probably is) it would be so funny if Adam and Lucifer bond over their bitch of an ex-wife 😂
@Ellipsicle
makes you wonder if lute will turn on Adam if Adam spares a sinner, maybe cain?
@@chongwillson972 Would've been a good idea but looks like they wasted his character for a cheap joke of a death. Yeah don't expect much from this show, vivzie's great at creating ideas but shit at making stories with those ideas.
@@bacontasteslikedogz1046
honestly, I would be mad if they just let that man walk away and go unpunished.
Another thing i found interesting is that since hes the leader of the angles that come down to exterminate them the fact he agreed/accepted the pardon to letting the hellborns (aka the ones who where born in hell and never had a chance to show they aint sinners and dont deserve to be in hell ) live even tho the person who ask for that pardon was lucifer the person who he should really hate
I don't think it was so much Lucifer "asked" for it as it was a strategic military accord.
I'm pretty sure one of the biggest twists of the show is Charlie learning that story she read from at the beginning was a lie and her parents are actually the villains. She'll realize her parents ruined Adam's life, his new family, and the rest of humanity and see Adam is kind of justified in his behavior.
Considering everything we know about Lucifer and how goofy he … I kinda doubt. They appear to be going for the charismatic anti hero version of Lucifer like the one from the DC show rather then the embodiment of evil. Unless they want him to go from whacky fun Luci to super mega evil Lucifer as some kind of twist but knowing viv I doubt it
I don't think they will do something like that. They are likely to go a very predictable route. Could be wrong tho
Well Charlie’s dad was just revealed to be a sympathetic depressed sad boy who loves his daughter so I think it’s safe to say the likelihood of that happening just dropped significantly
I would like that it would be more like a tale of no heroes or villains, just victims
@@dc7981 we really haven't seen the TRUTH of events yet. there a re a lot of holes to be filled in, and in the absence of "facts" for this universe we only have the old stories to go off of. that's the double edged sword of this setting..it's an "alternate universe" take on things. whether you believe in the original religious texts or not.
Ngl I kinda like Adam, he has a really cool design
All I see it Blitzo with wings...
@@TrueLocalEnthusiastnah dont be like that, the only thing similar are horns,which arent exactly the same either
He a human, not pure as angle but not true evil as demon, that why he look like demon even when he a angel bruh, peak design
God said, man is the head (king) of family -bible
@@serdusrex7274
For me it's a Don Bluth style villain design.
If I’m wrong in the Divine Comedy, Adam was still sent to heaven despite eating the fruit. But in this one I do like the idea that only Eve ate it and Adam acts like this because he has no self awareness and has been hyped up by the angels since his creation
I'm surprised nobody has just gone "Hey Adam, how are your sons doing?" just to fuck with him.
Thing is that also is something he can hate Lilith, lucifer and Eve for. If he didn't eat the apple like the theory suggested, then he would have never even known that jealousy existed and can you imagine how devastating it would be to discover that the son you raised and loved murdered your other son for a horribly petty reason. And according to the theory he would not even understand why, only that it was because Cain knew what evil, and Eve ate the apple that Lilith gave her.
yes, that sounds so brutal.@@shanemcguire7333
Wich ones? Do you know how mamy children Adam had?
The ones everyone knows, Cain and Abel
@@williamhanna9718 yeah, but they weren't their only sons by far
Damn… I can’t believe Adam is the true protagonist
If this is the case YEAH
Well he would be if hes still bitter with lilith
What did Obi-Wan teach us about truths we cling to depending greatly on our point of view?
@@SuperSaiyanD48 That sounds like an absolute you sith scum!
He’s not the protagonist
Angels and demons that blur the line between good and evil is always an interesting trope IMO. Angels, due to their status, look down on everything as being inferior to them or a demon with noble qualities that tries to be a better despite their circumstances.
I like that trope when it's done right. when done right it's a genuine marvel to see, when done wrong it's just infuriating, though that's coming from a Christian so take with that what you will. I can't tell whether or not it's done right or wrong as of yet in the show, but I hope that it's done right. it definitely has various things that rub me the wrong way, but I'm still choosing to hold out hope, you know?
There both Good bad evil yeah
hoenstly, its kind of cliche at this point, especially if you watch a lot of anime/japanese video games, the whole angles arre domineering jerks and devils are the poor oppressed is kind of run into the ground. the show is fun, i love charlie's design and the songs are good, but it feels like the worldbuilding is just kind of the shallow "the good place" kind of secular deconstruction of religion. Things people think are deep but are really just shallow. amazing songs though.
I will also mention this. While rude, and crass (much like most of the characters in the show) on reflection. We don't actually see Adam do that much that is evil or even sadistic aside from the exterminations, but even then while he at least appears to enjoy it (I say appears because Lilith might have more to do with it then anything) from his perspective where nary a single soul has been redeemed from heaven if its even possible. In which case his job is one of necessity especially if their were rumblings of uprising. Further these demons exist in a kingdom of the man who stole his wife, corrupted his children, and then went on to steal his second wife aswell....
Honestly that entire last fight in the finally... I actually couldn't feel anything for the cast. Despite the angels being on the attack it felt like they were the rebels attacking the death star. Every scene shows angels getting slaughtered with not so much as a single causality being taken on screen except for Sir Pentious (But that gets undone) And all of Adams fights he is struggling to get hits in with them while they most beat and degrade him the whole fight. The only fight you can say he "won" is the one with Alastor, but even then it feels more like Alastor got overconfident, and Adam got a lucky hit in.
Then when lucifer came in and starting beating him while also salting the wounds (Well I took both your wives so I guess I'm just better then you) I couldn't help but feel like the show was being exceptionally tone deaf. Or possibly alluding to the possibility that maybe lucifer is not the nice dad figure we think he likes to present himself as. (But that seems doubtful to me as that would be complex, and personal, and this show doesnt seem to want to go past surface level with most characters.)
I guess we'd need to see how he acts around non-sinners, saints, and other angels when there are no demons and sinners present in order to see what's he truly like.
The extermination is also Lilith’s fault, she wants to empower demons and such and the Seraphim are worried they could rise up and threaten heaven. So it all comes back to Adam and Lilith.
I think Lilith is plotting to use Charlie to do just that. Charlie by default looks like Lucifer and acts like him too, in the flashback we see Lilith have horns that we only see when Charlie is angry.
I think Lilith is working in the shadows to provoke an actual war between heaven and hell, probably told Carmilla Carmine(THE weapons manufacturer in hell) how to kill Angels, I bet she’s the one that is referenced to have a leash on Alastor. My bet is after Alastor lost his fight with Vox he struck a deal with Lilith while in exile for power in turn helping her use Charlie for the war and that’s why Alastor is so hostile to Lucifer when they meet as Lucifer would be a threat to Lilith’s plans and her deal with Alastor.
Lucifer doesn’t seem to care about the sinners and doesn’t mind them being exterminated and only cares about hellborn demons namely Charlie. Contrasted to Lilith who wants to empower them needs Charlie to join her side but Charlie would want peace.
Someone in the hotel is dying(Angel Dust), Alastor is going to be a catalyst for it or allow it to happen to break Charlie for Lilith’s endgame calling it.
That seems pretty plausible. In the pilot is very much clear that Alastor is also a villain and is only helping Charlie for amusement, not for altruism. Also there is brief scene were Alastor stares at a portrait of Charlie and her parents with a grin, probably hinting a past conection.
I believe they confirmed that Angel dust and husk will not be killed, but there will be somebody killed this season
@@morganarledge6863 WELP lol
I think people forget that Viv said that being gay or a drug addict or anything else like that wont send you to hell you actually have to do something bad. I remember this cause people were concerned that that's why Angel got sent to hell.
Angel was part of the mafia and killed a bunch of people on earth so him going to hell just makes sense
@@Uncreative_Username exactly
@@Uncreative_UsernameWhere was that confirmed? His family was mafia, but from everything I've read, he rejected that life. When did Viv or another writer say he killed people on Earth?
so basically, you're allowed to ruin your own life but you can't ruin others.. yeah honestly that seems pretty fair..
Being gay itself was never a sin to begin with.
It’s incredible how much sense this theory makes, even for this show, I never would believed Adam was like this from the start, anyone loosing everything that was rightfully theirs would eventually turn out like this, and let’s not forget that not all Sinners deserve a second chance in Hazbin.
IMO i don't like how they went about with adams character, its an easy joke to make. He was the first man so hes the origin of all the stereotypical manly traits and activities. My favorite rendition of the character is adam from Record of Ragnarok, the first man and thus the first father, exemplifying the pinnacle of what a father will go through to protect his children, even pushing past the point of his own expiration.
THIS! This video was originally going to be me going over this exact reasoning and why i hated it. But then I was like "Not very local enthusiast of you" So decided to focus on the potential good
I mean i love Hazbin Adam but RoR Adam is a masterpiece of a character.
Counter Point: I don't see Adam from ROR perform sick guitar solo👀
@@Artist_MomentBecause that woulda upstaged Hermes
@@pteroid11 Fair Enough
Vivziepop isn't good at or just isn't into nuanced villains. Solas's wife went from bitter cheated woman to just cartoonishly evil and psychopathic abusive ex wife. So Adam will also probably just be a bad guy with little to no depth
Well looking at that he died in the recent episode.
@@dante_0962 a very childish death and last words. On brand honestly considering how bad of a character Stella was
I do agree that Stella is a bad character, but not because of how she's written
@@Lonkshi21 how so? She's just evil and psycopathic just cus instead of the very free "wow my husband cheated on me and made us look bad in front of all the higher ups of hell". On top of that I much prefered when solas and blitz were work fuk buddies thst were maybe falling for eachother instead of the trash "omg ur the only friend I had so I'm in love" trope often used in trashy animes. It was more realistic and funny before that
@@LuiBei1994 i don't care, i just enjoy the show as it is
I hope they explore the grey area of morality a lot in this show. Developing Adams character in this way would be a great method of twisting peoples expectations. Just like they presented with Angel, people tend to act in certain ways for a reason.
If all the lore of the bible is canon, I would say that Adam is the character who has suffered the most in the series
I actually really appreciate that you made this video, because i think a lot of people don't give him a credit (me included on a first glance). Ive watched theories about angels before and one thing really got stuck in my mind once someone pointed out and that is when Adam said that he never did anything wrong. My theoretical feeling is that Adam is a foil to Charlie. Sure hes basically a exact opposite of her (A**hole, foul mouth, loud and annoying) but something tells me that in same way while still prideful and a jerk, he could also be just as naive as Charlie is (okay, maybe not THAT naive, but still). Since he had seen both Lilith and Lucifer get punished for their actions and the angles basically letting him scott free, why would he think he did anything wrong if angels basically praised him as an embodiment of good while Lilith (and to extent Lucifer) embody evil.
Or he could just be prideful d**k. Who knows. We'll see in future episodes
On one hand I think this is a great idea. Especially since it seems it's a potential plot point for Charlie to find out she was presented a skewed version of Genesis by her parents. Adam could also have his perception skewed by how everything went horrifically wrong when he didn't really do anything wrong.
On the other hand, this is Vivziepop. The story is probably going to be fun, colorful and entirely one dimensional outside of hyper specific side plots which get autistic levels of attention.
@@kieranadamson3224 yeah, thats a fair point. I mean just look at Fizz with his recent 2 episodes
@@kieranadamson3224 I actually think Adam and Charlie have a lot more in common than they might think
@@kieranadamson3224so, opinion on the new two episodes?
He’s going to be a prideful jerk
It still shocks me that people see Adam as a bad guy when In reality he’s just an antagonist and his views are justified and aren’t evil. Like yes murder is bad and taking pleasure out of other’s suffering is wrong but when it’s directed at humanity’s worse! It feels MORE than justified for adam to not give a shit about the sinners and be happy that he gets to rid the world of some truly abhorrent beings. Adam even states that they had there chance to be better but now there in hell and hell is meant to be there last destination there’s no redemption left to be had it’s all black and white at that point there either sinners or winners.
I agree the Vees are villains Adam is an antagonist
He’s a hangman that likes him job , if he kills the sinners the universe gets better, if there gon then people going to hell in future might have a chance of redemption
His views aren't justified. Just because he has a reason to feel this way emotionally doesn't justify his actions, genocide is still bad even if you feel strongly that it isn't in your case
@@crypt5129 yea no these arnt a race or a ideology, there the worst of humanity , what happened if instead of Adam killing them , actual people who committed genocide get to go to heaven, grapest get to live next door to there victims
@@crypt5129 dude it’s honestly kind of flawless the logic
I'm glad you mentioned the fucked up shit a lot of the sinners have done, I feel like the fandom and even the show kind of forget? I'm not saying Charlie is wrong, her goal to redeem sinners is great, or that the extermination is okay, it's not, I'm sure a lot of the people there have not committed serious enough crimes to be erased from existence for, but a lot of them have done REALLY bad things and that's why it kind of irritated me when Emily basically called everyone down there innocent, I love Emily and mostly agree with her, but not everyone down there is innocent. I feel like people who have never walked the earth like her and Charlie don't fully recognize the extent that some sinners crimes go to? How much they've hurt people, and that's something I want Charlie to realize next season or just at some point.
If you think about it, Charlie literally wants murderers, rapists and cannibals to be in heaven
@@dwanejnews3873or more of them if there was even a tiny handful that still made it past the pearly gates
Me dieron unas ganas de golpear a emily cuando dijo eso
Even in the show, Lilith was not created for Adam, she was created alongside Adam. Which is why she felt that she deserved to be as free as Adam
exactly, lilith and adam were both made from the earth, then when lilith left, eve was made from adam's rib.
Maybe she was free but being equally responsible for ruling god's kingdom was too much for her to accept ? Like Adam had just been born, asked Lilith what they should do, he takes the first step and ask Lilith to follow. What if Lilith was the one that demanded obedience ? She did defy god's warning, made an angel be obedient enough to trick Adam's new wife to consume the forbidden fruit, causing millions of years of evil and destruction because she disliked not being the one in charge ?
@@MindlessNoteGridCRTRWRTR or maybe they are both assholes , Adam demanding total obidience , and Lilith being a selfish bitch who only wants to do what she wants , at the detriment of others
She was made as his equal, yet expected to be subservient to him. For any of Adam's good qualities (which, if they exist, are buried VERY deep down) he is a raging narcissist who believes whatever he wants is his by birthright. When Lilith defied him by leaving the garden, the angels placated him by giving him a wife who would always obey him (Eve, made from his rib), but then she ate the fruit of knowledge, and because she was made to be subservient to Adam he too was cast out of the garden with her, because all Eve knew was to be obedient.
@@sev1120Adam is meant to rule so I don't blame him for being well himself that's his purpose as a creation is too rule.
This is such an amazing theory.
Honestly I’m surprised someone who has spent thousands of years watching his descendants commit every possible unspeakable act on each other could possibly be so chill and crack jokes while enjoying some delicious ribs
Gallows humor. Most professions that have a dark tone to them, either medical (patient deaths, loss, failures etc) Soldiers (killing, seeing terrible environments, destruction etc), and so forth develop this type of humor. It's to combat the stress of it all. It's why a lot of the jokes they crack would be considered really fucked up, or dark, in comparison to a "Regular" person.
I genuinely hope this type of characterization or something of the like is added for Adam because not only does it explain his character’s mindset and actions to some degree but it would put put a lot more nuance into the whole situation where neither side is really in the right or wrong. Too bad I have little to no faith that this will be the case.
People talk a lot of smack about Lute and Adam attacking Vaggie for not killing the child sinner.
But can we take a moment to realize that a child got sent to hell. So, it probably did some terrible things to qualify for hell.
It looked like it was from the cannibal colony
Adam and lute has a point they have to kill any sinners to reduce population.
The child is still evil because when you look at several shots of the cannibal families and their children, they eat other Sinners and Hell inhabitants, who are still alive, without remorse. It should be noted Angel Dust's sister grew up with Angel Dust in their "Evil" Italian Mafia family but she chose to change and become a good person and got into Heaven, unlike Angel Dust who chose to remain an asshole in life without regret and likely committed suicide due to overdose. Nevertheless, what Lute did to Vaggie is very cruel and wrong.
It could also not be a child. Remainder your appearance in hell Is based on what you hate and other stuff. It could be a fully grown man or woman who just looked like a child
@@Kos1256 I agree just look at nifty
I honestly think the part of Adam having seen every bad deed that humanity has ever done is the part that would make anyone like Adam, at least on their view of sinners. I could picture Adam singing that one fnaf song that goes, “what comes around, goes around!”
Man, i wish this theory gets fleshed out more in the show, because having Charlie realize that her father basically caused the crisis she is trying to fix would be a great way of creating a forked path for her - does she choose to side with Alastor after she finally catches on to his manipulations, or stay with her father after learning the truth
Sadly I fear we won't get this perspective of Adam from within the show. It would be nice to see this all pointed out with why Adam is what he is and why he kills demons
Vivzie unironically made the villain be the deepest and most justified and heroic character in the entire series
And just killed him instantely.
@@michaldlugosz1965 Not even Robyn Hood did that.
@@michaldlugosz1965 do people really die after they're already dead? I know I'm coping hard here, but the show could bring Adam back if they wanted to, just like they brought Sir Pentious back after he died
@@guimts8881hes an archangel(in the show) its hard for him to just die by stab stab i think he just falled
it would be funny if the only thing able to to take sinners into heaven was adams power, everyone says sir pencho rehabilitate himself by sacrifice but what if it was adams light power that took him to heaven?
but of course vivzie wont do that because we must hate on guys that are straight and follow the rules
In the original manuscripts, Adam and Lilith were made equals, and it was actually Lilith who wanted to be over Adam, literally and figuratively. When God came down to confront her and bring her down a peg, Lilith ran away and banished herself from the Garden of Eden. Adam was a victim from the very beginning.
yup, she doesn't bang Lucifer but rather an archangel name Samael and they had babies but God had angels kill the babies so outta vengeance Lilith stalks and curse mothers and pregnant women and kills or maybe even eat babies and children
Adam's whole song was him speaking facts about sinners
you mean its mainly him bitching about them because apperantly over several thousan years he still hasnt gotten over himself and how he's possibly the biggest failure to come out of humanity having lost not one but TWO women that were specifically made for him... behold everyone huminity's biggest incel using genocide as a way to vent
If ultron saw a portion the human depravity and decided it needs to go id say Adam is one patient dude
You definitely put on more thought into Adam then the writers did, I have 0 faith anyone cared to put more thought into him beyond a shallow villain.
Contrast how Adam was with CHarlie vs at the end of the episode. He was patient, yet aggressive. I think it is entirely possible D-Master was just a front.
likely to push and annoy person of hell in the meating, in short what his view points justify but also covers him for having to handle
at the start of the meeting he seemed just too cocky yet nice, oly after mentioning extermination he turned
I don't know if its just me that thinks Adam might be one of the best characters in the show. Every time we see him and that guitar riff plays i just can't help but smile. The songs he is in are actual bangers.
Wait! It just occurred to me what if when Adam says he never made a mistake isn't referring to him never eating the apple, but rather that he did? What if this Adam is like the one from Paradise Lost who ate the apple willingly after he saw Eve had fallen and couldn't bear to live without her? So he ate it to join her, knowing it would cause him to fall too? So in his eyes, it wasn't a mistake. It was actually an act of love.
😢 yet Lucy still mocked him turning eve intoma joke a conquest
I like the idea that he is literally incapable of seeing a flaw in his actions both due to his creation by God and him possibly never eating the fruit so he never gains forbidden knowledge or any ability to self reflect.
Sadly, after seeing all the theories on Stella back before she was just a bitch, where she had every right to be angry and humiliated because of Stolas' actions, I don't know if we will get this perspective on Adam.
I hope Vizie realizes that this doesn't come from a place of hate it would just be really cool to have some actually morally grey characters with more depth than they were thought to have.
I mean….I’d be pissed too if eternal paradise was stolen not just from me, but from all of my descendants.
You know I thought Ozma and Salem from RWBY had the messiest divorce in history but now they have competition
I would really like it if this turned out to be true in some way, as I believe it would give Adam (and thus heaven) some much needed layers
alotta people, myself included, were already expecting Heaven to be corrupt in some way
(I mean come on our main cast is literally from hell, and when was the last time you saw angels/holy/light/whatever adjacent thing presented at 100% good in a piece of media? Yeah I ddin't think so lol)
but so far they just seem to be indistiguisahble from hell born with no real flavor or substance; not to mention having similar designs due to Vizie's design philosophy
Adam being a misogynisic dudebro seemed like a very "This is who they are; you're meant to hate/love them" type characterization, yknow?
i hope I get proven wrong though; this video was really good (and kinda what I hope for; an explanation not justification)
Same with ya on this one, we can only hope though
I mean... I kind of like that there's not a clear delineation in personalities between demons and angels. It helps bolster the theme that evil isn't something you *are,* it's something you *do.* That everyone is a complex individual who can choose to be evil or good based on their own actions, no matter what their past or current situation. The hotel itself is founded on that principle, it'd be a little weird to subvert that by making an entire species "inherently more moral" than another.
A very good point - that just gets sadder when you think about the fact that all of humanity who have been hurt and suffered for thousands of years are by extend his children. The most kino option for him would be if the Dudebro Persona is just a mask he carries similar to Angel Dust to hide his scars. Curious that we have never seen his actual face yet.
Apperantly Lucifer has an affair with Eve, which could be aluding to the possibilty that Cain is Lucifer's son rather then Adam's. Meaning that Lucifer left his kid to be raised by him, only to have that kid become the first murderer by killing his actual son.
One possibility as to why Adam ended up in heaven might be that he treated Cain as his own son.
Cain killed Adam when he got in the way his way of killing Abel
I’m calling Adam the ass master.
A proper title tbh
they shale call me de i min ass master
😂😂😂
Nope descendantskiller or ass great great etc grandfather would be more accurate or hyprocrite only in this verse through
I think many people forget or just overlook that many of the sinners in Hell are murderers and rapists. Alastor is great but he is a sociopathic serial killer in life and death. Just because he is fun for the audience and our protagonist's ally doesnt mean he is near a good guy. And he is the NORM! Ive been told not to let one bad apple ruin the bunch, this is a case of saying there are good apples if you dig deep enough through the festering rotten pile. Adam's job is to destroy those rotten apples so the pile dont get to big. If our story was told from heaven's view instead of from hell than Adam would just be a justified asshole. And honestly, he is.
Charlie's Redemption thing should be think through again that not every sinners can go to heaven. I'm siding on Adam honestly.
and what if Adam was also involved in many things with Hell and he just cant admit it?
Yup not ALL but sir petunias did beacuse he worked for redemption
Adam, the first human, was given the responsibility of taking care of God's creation. He was also tasked with looking after Eve, his specially created partner. Despite their idyllic life, both Adam and Eve succumbed to temptation, breaking the only rule set by God. As a result, they were expelled from their paradise, forced to face the challenges of survival.
To add to Adam's struggles, his eldest son committed the first murder in human history by killing his younger brother. This story highlights the immense pressure Adam faced, failing as a father and contributing to humanity's suffering. The potential for a nuanced and complex villain is evident, but in Viv's narrative, complexities and depth for villains seem to be lacking.
I agree. Adam should have stuck around for all three planned seasons so we could see his point of view. A good story requires us to see all points of view of both protagonists and antagonists. To be honest, Sinners like Alastor and Vox are far worse than Adam.
@@ryankwon8785 true
I dont belive Vivi has the hability to create such complex and grey character, so yeah, probably we are fruck
I agree. Would be cool tho....I really hope she gets better with each season
(Copied from one of my previous comments)
As much as I like mythology inspired lore and worldbuilding, in Hazbin Hotel it reeks of one-sided and borderline woke portrayal of characters and the world around them.
How can Adam, one who wasn't part of the original sin, be the douchebag that embodies the 7 deadly sins of humanity and the hypocricy of heaven, but Lilith and Lucifer are these good visionaires, that were "wrongly" sent to hell, because the rulers of heaven are these hypocrites, who don't even know if their rules are true at all and didn't agree with them. What's next? Eve is a misunderstood mother, that tried to guide her children into a life of freedom and self-discovery, but her husband turned them bad with his entitled toxic masculinity? Give me a break!
Even the fan theories of Lucifer were more interesting, than another mentally suffering, but loving, strained daughter-obssessed father, like Blitzo and Stolas. Wouldn't be surprised, if God is later portrayed as another neglectful and/or abusive father.
Like some comments I've read, if Adam is too much like Mammon, then Lucifer is too much like Stolas. Can't wait to see Lilith to be a copy-paste of Carmilla and Eve being a carbon-copy of Millie, with a Moxxie on her side.
@@solracstormhunter3023To be fair, we only get hell's view point from Charlie's little book. Of course, Lucifer would tell the story in his favor. I bet if that book included heaven's side, it would read a lot differently. (And I agree, the aggressive way to force woke lgbtq down the viewers' throat is super annoying. I don't need to know every single damn sexu*l identity of every character, when it's not even relevant to the plot.)
@@Shishiochan The way Lucifer is portrayed as a depressed father as sympathetic character and heaven as clueless entlited elitist, makes me doubt, that the narrative is going to drastly change into questioning the rightfulness of Lucifer's and Charlie's ambitions and is most likely will go on to justify them even more.
I would've found the story more interesting, if they left the angels as doubtful opposition and not as a hypocritical one, and instead of a celestial war, we got a lot of characters from hell exploring the nature of their sins and finding slowly their way into redemption, while facing the resistance of those sinners, who would see redemption as problematic.
At the end of the day, the show is about redeeming all the sinners in hell. Which goes along with the Verse of "One day, hell shall be empty".
In ancient texts, Lilith was said to be the “Mother of all Demons”, which may add another layer to Adam’s hatred of Hell and the Demons there.
considering viviennes writting, i dont have much faith. But i hope this is true lol this was a good video and added some much needed depth to the character. It makes no sense for an angel to be a black and white villain instead of there being slight moral gray area
We can only hope...
She has a habit of making previously black and white characters into more complex ones later on. I mean just look at Husk
@@asersah Or Stolas, or Blitzø...
Isn't there a team of writers for Hazbin Hotel?
@@irkenpony17Yes.
one of his children got beheaded and he immediatly went ballistic.
Good Father but terrible role model
It's bad if he cared if his miinions were killed?
This would make him such an interesting character especially since he was Immortal to turn mortal and to start suffering constantly daily life the creatures you once ruled over now turn against you and are willing to kill you your wife you your children will now die and thousands of years of your descendants turn into the worst possible versions of themselves because someone gave them a fruit of forbidden knowledge when they could have just simply he stayed away from them I'm sorry but this Theory just made him so much more interesting.
I mean if the actions of sinners on Earth caused Lucifer to become so depressed he couldn't parent Charlie, then why wouldn't it also cause Adam rage?
Adam being such a jerk implies that the bar to get into heaven is very low, and that those in hell are legitimately awful people.
Or it implies that the system is shit and as soon as you're in heaven you can just do whatever you want with no punishment, if angels can be pieces of shit then why can't the sinners redeem themselves?
@@Lolamy they can be shit but they do not hurt others and respect each other as long as they do what their role requires of them. You could argue that what counts as sinning is that you forget your role or overstep yourself and is overtly selfish, hence what Adam wrote " act selfless, do not steal, stick it to the man" as in be one with where you belong, be respectful of the boundaries you are in, and stick to the role you were given (not standing against the heaven's or god's set order). Adam may not know the nuance of cursed humans since he did not consume the fruit of knowledge, only following his purpose since he was created and the 3 vague reasons you could be in heaven might just be of what he takes from his own life, not from the standpoint of normal humans. Also note that the intro to the show was from a book possibly written by Lilith or by her servant so the point of Adam actually demanding obedience might be a bias from Lilith. As far as we know, Adam could have just asked Lilith for help with many things(they were made for the purpose of ruling the garden, which if you ever tried managing a garden by yourself, it's deceptively difficult, while literally born adult and having the learning curve of 18years squished into a few months). Lazy and selfish could be why she left, having big ambitions, she latched to a high ranking but rebellious angel(Lucifer, who she would leave despite how "madly inlove" they were to disappear and do whatever she wanted, raising hell in her perview. You could say what gets you into heaven is basic human decency by god's design, not politeness and tolerance stemming from the fruit of knowledge's influence.
TL;DR: Adam is the base requirement for heaven's acceptance of a soul, not the human(sinner) understanding of what qualifies them as eligible to enter heaven, therefore it is only a bad system for those cursed by the fruit allowing misguided knowledge to dictate their way of thinking of what is human, not the requirement god setup.
@@Lolamybecause they had a chance. It's called being a human being when they were alive. Oh suddenly now they're punished for their bad deeds, suddenly they're sorry?
@@LolamyBecause sinners were bad people in hell
or it implies that adam didnt get into heaven because he was a good person but rather just because he was adam... and the rest of the people in heaven are seemingly people who grew up with a silver spoon in their mouths from how their portrayed, heaven litteraly looks like a group of rich kids in a gated community
To be honest. With the way humans behave in helluva boss. Its actually really sad when thinking through the eyes of adam. Your children, your flesh and blood are tearing each other apart all because of no fualt of your own. But of the woman you were supposed to be with. That would hurt, and seeing the child of both her and the man that convinced her to betray you asking for a FAVOR. It would basically be a backhanded slap to the face, even if charlie didnt know anything about that. Adam not immediately round house kicking her in the neck was a miracle.
If we go with the original story Adam would also be the first victim of sexual assault at the hands of Lilith who, in the original Jewish story, forced herself onto him in his sleep which lead to her birthing the first demon as a result. man has more reasons to hate demons than to not.
I kinda hope that season 2 explains that heaven corrupted Adam and also how Satan stealing his wife broke Adam mentally
Satan and Lucifer are separate characters
@@dc7981 In this show they are, but in the Bible they are the same Angel. You can Google it. Lucifer is his real name, but his title of Satan means “To oppose”
That would be great but in reality their just going to make him misogyny bad villain you can already tell from the storybook and from his behaviour it's going to be completely flat
This sounds great but I feel like it will be a cold day in hell (yep) when Vivziepop writes a complex villain
I dunno, Striker in Helluva Boss is growing in complexity as he shows up more and we hear more of his story.
Also, keep in mind Vivzie doesn't write these episodes alone (with the sole exception of the first Prime episode). And some episodes, like episode 3, she didn't write at all.
maybe he will get into the hero side
We need an actual story about Adam and how his life goes
Small corrections and notes:
1. In Hazbin's intro, they never mention God at all. They say heaven is ruled by the angels, the angels created Adam, the angels cast Lucifer out, etc. Main reason I mention that is it's inaccurate to say that Hazbin's Adam was "created by God".
2. They also never say anything about the Fruit of Knowledge making Adam and his descendants mortal. In fact, they never even imply they were immortal to begin with. All they say is that eating the fruit let *evil* into the world and created hell. It's entirely likely Adam (and every human) was always mortal, and until the fruit was eaten, every human who died would just end up in heaven.
3. Not a correction, more a confirmation: that white angel we saw is definitely not Eve. She has 6 wings, which is a very specific Seraphim thing. Lucifer has that as well, but the Exorcists (who, at least in Adam's case, are the class of angels who used to be human) only have 2 wings.
But I do need to say that *every* asshole, and *every* evil person, has a point of view that justifies their behavior to themselves. No one is a dick or evil knowingly. But just because you can understand *why* someone is a dick, that doesn't mean they're any better, or any less responsible for their behavior. We might be able to understand why Adam hates demons, but his indiscriminate hatred and his pleasure in the outright genocide of them is still bigoted and evil. Especially since Lute strongly implies that, were it not for the truce with Lucifer, they'd be more than happy to murder all the hellborn demons, too; and plenty of them have never done anything evil in their lives.
Theory is that Eve became Roo aka Root of All Evil
In Helluva boss. Hazbin's sister show. An Angel said "Don't use the lord's name in vain" so I think it's safe to assume God exists but out of respect they will treat him more as a concept rather than a character.
God in Hazbin Hotel may be the creator but goes for a move hands off approach and allows the angels to form humanity instead of himself.
@@the_real_tabbyyou can fiind a design for God on the internet by vivziepop
@@the_real_tabbyThat's possible, though I always figured that line was more of a joke than a real plot point. Alternatively, that Post-It in the background of the CHERBUS theme song montage might be canon, in which case God does exist, but is also an incredible dick 😂
@@KBRoller what's the post-it note say?
But well hell is forever is Bibllicly accurate
Depends on which version of the mythology you look at. In Jewish tradition (the writers of the Old Testament and foundation of the later Christian religion), there is no hell at all. In some interpretations of the Christian Bible, hell is for Lucifer and demons, not human sinners. (My father, for instance, is a Christian fundamentalist who believes, based on his interpretation of the Bible, that when we die, we just rot in the grave until Jesus returns. Once Jesus returns, sinners just continue to rot while the worthy are resurrected to live in paradise on Earth with Jesus for 1,000 years before ascending to heaven.)
Please don't hide my comment youtube or delete my comment
For no reason youtube please 🙏😭
Also It's not in real life bible accurate at all It's just a fictional cartoon that it.
not mythology@@KBRoller
@@FaxsEditsRemade By definition, it is mythology. The word "myth" doesn't say it has to be untrue.
That said... the amount of evidence for Christianity is the same as the amount for Judaism, Hinduism, or any other religion with gods and supernatural creatures, so... 🤷♂ But if you want to believe it, that's your choice; again, even if it were true, it would still be mythology.
its not mythology. yall atheist getting out of hand @@KBRoller
I like both of these honestly. You could keep Dickmaster as this more 'Is an asshole to be an asshole' and he's still a great character because sometimes people are like that. Or he can have this really cool backstory which bases his reasoning off of what he was robbed of or managed to lose, making him bitter towards sinners and hell itself. Either way whether he's a character we love to hate or a character who we'll come to understand better he's a great rival note to play off of Charlie in particular.
After spoiling myself with the finale, I'm dissapointed on how his character was handled at the end. If they didn't want to bother expanding more on his characterization they might aswell made him into a new different one like Lute herself.
This is just season one. Reminder that angels have not died before, so who knows? He could just pop back up into heaven, or it could go the popular fan theory route where he turns into a sinner. There's a lot of room for his return.
Adam being the first sexist feels like flat characterization and an easy cop out tbh
Adam refused to simp for his wives I respect that I true chad we must follow his will
The one thing I hate about this is how it's most likely not going to become canon despite a villain have more depth than just being an evil douchebag being far more interesting, primarily because Vivziepop isn't really that good of a writer (and this is coming from someone who likes the show, despite it's flaw that are becoming more numerous as it goes on).
You realize Vivzie is only one of (so far) three writers on Hazbin, right? The first episode is the only one she wrote alone, and the third episode she didn't even co-write. If we include the RUclips pilot, make it five writers, since she wrote that one with two other people.
It's fine if you don't like the writing, but to blame it all on Viv and call her a bad writer when so many people influenced the scripts is both rude and inaccurate.
@@KBRollerit's her franchise though. She's definitely not the sole person involved but the Hazbin and it's sister show are her brain children. If she's running the project properly then really it's the story she wrote being refined as best as it can be through the different writers.
@@kieranadamson3224That's not (usually) how writers' rooms work. It's Viv's concept, but the details of characterizations are a collaborative effort. It's not just "every detail is Viv's ideas filtered through another writer's words".
That said, I'm a software developer, which is also meant to be a collaborative process, and I've worked on teams of people who don't know how to collaborate, either... so that's *possible.* It's just not the usual, and I wouldn't assume that's how Viv works without evidence, especially not just to try and reinforce personal complaints about her.
I still blame Vivi for her bad writing
@@KBRollerits true she isn't the sole writer but I'm sure she still holds some power of what gets the greenlight, regardless if she wrote it herself
This makes me feel a lot better about Adam’s depiction, although I seriously doubt the show will take the same respectful, nuanced route you have.
I’m a huge fan of traditional animation, but I’m also a very passionate Christian. While I really like Hazbin Hotel, I’ve always been a little worried about how the myths and symbols I cherish so deeply are going to be used.
Watching the show is like watching a child play with rare, limited-edition toys you’ve owned and loved for a long time-you’re glad the child is getting enjoyment out of them, but you’re constantly terrified he’s going to drop one and break it.
I’m not sure Vivian and her team really understand the ideas they’re playing with, but so far, I’ve been pleasantly surprised by their interpretation of them.
Exactly, and we know Hazbin's university's Creation and so on myths from Charlie's book, written by Luci and Lillith.
It's their Version, their Pow, not Absolute truth.
Adam probably just wished to directly follow Heaven's rules, and his wify refused and found more cuckold hubby Luci.
And he's mad cause actually Hell must've been place of the eternal punishment, not a 5star resort or hotel. In fact they just had eternal opportunities to live in their Sins. It's not just.
Adam thought that Charlie acts like a naive girly teenager. And he's right. Cause the Sinner must earn the Redemption for their crimes in mortal life. Charlie didn't even asked why Sir P went to Hell. May be he killled 50 innocent lives.
Facts why don’t she ask her “clients “ what brought you to
Hell or this point what did you do?
Wouldn’t it make more sense for Cain of Cain and Abel to be the first sinner. Lilith’s actions allowed for evil to enter the world but that doesn’t mean she sinned furthermore Eve may have eaten the fruit of knowledge but that doesn’t mean she sinned. While I know the show doesn’t follow the Bible in its entirety in the Bible the first sinner was Cain, who murdered his brother Abel out of jealousy.
Yeah, the fruit of knowledge give the knowledge of good and evil, but it doesn't mean you would inherently choose the "evil" option (sure you could make the arguement it doesnt guarantee "good" either). Especially when Eve and Adam knew heaven, in their case. So, they would wish to go back in there and do their best for it, I guess.
And for Lilith, she may have fallen because she was with Lucifer (albeit she may have the position of first sinner, given that she is the one who helped tricking Eve into eating the fruit)
Buddy did you read the Bible? She still sin! And god asked them to not eat it! Or else evil will enter your heart!
@@orianefaton1885no... eating the fruit of knowledge was a sin because it was blatant disobedience not because it gave you the knowledge of good and evil.
@@fohb7291 I meant in the show, not the Bible.
@@orianefaton1885 it's the same thing in the show bruv
not only does this explain him it gives a perfect excuses as to why someone as abrasive as him got in heaven at all he never ate the apple he never partook in the original sin basically clearing him of all responsibility in a sense
I believe in the original story too he had two sons, Cain and Able. One murdered the other one because of sun existing. So Lilith and Lucifer did something extremely irresponsible which caused his family to kill his family if that happened in this universe.
Another thing I want to mention is how the USs no cruel or unusual punishment was inspired by the enlightenment which was inspired by the Bible. Imagine your a parent and one of your kids breaks the other ones you or something and you punish them accordingly but you kid says that’s not good enough and demands you hurt them more. You’re the adult who knows better so you tell them no and that you handled it the was it should be handled and tell them they need to calm down. Later, you hear one of your kids scream bloody murder and when you go to investigate you find out your child cut the other ones hand off and threw it in the garbage disposal because you didn’t make them suffer enough.
That’s why we don’t have cruel on unusual punishment in the US. Because the founders were religious and decided that’s how God feels when we punish eachother via torture. In the Hazbin Hotel universe Lilith and Lucifer’s actions are the cause of Adam having to watch that and much worse play out every day.
From his perspective those two are like a cult that, even if not on purpose, did something stupid and as a consequence, accidentally caused your descendants to harm eachother in pursing one or even multiple of the seven deadly sins like greed or wrath.
He sees sinners the same way you would see your child with mean tendencies if someone approached them with an offer of money or pleasure in exchange for killing their kinder sibling and then they actually did. Either in the heat of the moment or premeditated.
There’s something called unconditional love where you love someone literally no matter what. That’s not how you should view the world. If your 21 year old drug addict child murders your innocent 8 year old one, you don’t have to live them anymore. You are allowed to hate them, especially if they don’t regret it.
All humans are Adams descendants and heavens populace would be the kind, innocent child who lived good lives, and the sinners would be the ones who choose to be evil.
i hope this is true because that would deepen his character in my opinion i already like him this would just be great
Bro how they kill adam so quickly like bro had the biggest grudge imagine having everything you need until one day you got kickout of eden because someone gave you're wife a fruit to give it to you and then get banished from you're home and have to adapt to this new lifestyle and killing all the animals you called friends for sike of survival
“No one likes him”… No one?
You surrrreeeeeeee
Eve: *Allow me to introduce myself*
@@TrueLocalEnthusiastAdam / Lute fans: Allow us to introduce ourselves
@@demonclaw5608 I’m right here folks (as an Adam and lute supporter)
@@CXP3D Let's go all of us are here!
"EXTERMINATION IS ENTERTAINMENT!" 🎵😂😭
Adam is my favorite character in the show and this video is one of the reasons why.
Well... this theory aged like milk. RIP Adam.
I just assumed vivzi puff is a atheist, I mean she's definitely showed angels before being assholes in helluva boss, she probably made this series just to show she hates heaven and that hell rules..
The demons are slaves to their own vices and debauchery, and the angels are stuck-up, snooty, self-righteous assholes. This is like, hardcore cynicism.
@@inkchariot6147not really. The "angels" in helluva were cherubs, not angels. The actual angels we see like Emily are legitimately nice.
I like this Addam. He has style, unique vision and he's rockstar!
For me Addam the most interesting character for now.
And I'm curious. Just theory. Did he stopped golden armored angels attacking Charlie with his guitar playing?
My best friend and I actually love Adam! Everytime he said something about the demons deserving damnation or when singing about how hell is sopposed to suck I was like "He's got a point" I mean they are sinners and they did horrible things to get to hell and some of them even acknowledge this (alastor said just that in the pilot about angel, vaggie and himself). I can totaly get behind why Adam hates demons so much. Just think about the cast of the hotel, we have a mafiosi, a drinking gambler who is willing to give up everything in his life for just another spin or bottle, whatever the FUCK Nifty did but I assume it was rather horrifying and a cannibal serial killer who broadcasts himself killing others over the radio for fun in his spare time. Granted we don't know how Vaggie got into hell but we don't know nothing about her past so she could've been a really shitty person in life. the only inoccent in the hotel seems to be charlie and she led Tom Trench on fire in the pilot.
And Charlie would not want to leave, as she aknowledge herself as the princess of hell and her parents are there.
So if You drink and play cards You deserve to die, got it.
Angel hasn’t chosen to become a mafiosi, he was born in the criminal family and seems like he didn’t actually like what he had to do since he has bad relationships with his dad and brother.
I also have no clue how being a drinking gambler makes you evil lol
And remember Helluva Boss teacher. You justify Adam for enjoying murdering demons as they “deserved it”, so what is her fault? She killed a man who cheated on her and a woman who he cheated with, they were definitely bad people, so how is it different from what angels do every year?
And another example from Helluva Boss. Cherubs were not allowed back to Heaven because they ACCIDENTALLY killed an old man. How is it even fair?
I wonder how people still believe for no reason that in this series only bad people go to Hell. Why are you all so freaking sure in that?
@@shulamitmavet156 first of, angel killed MANY people AFTER he went to hell while laughing about it and also you always have a choice, he could've just said no and refuse to work in his dads mafia and just because he can't stand his dad and brother it doesn't mean he is automaticlly a victim when it comes to the crimes he commited.
In terms of Husk your right lol drinking and gambling doesn't get you to hell lol but giving your whole live up for it and persumitly fucking over the people you care about does lol and if you want to say "but you don't know that lol" there must be a reason and way how and why Husk became an overlord lol. he has to have done some shitty stuff in his time in hell at least lol.
As for the teacher, brutally murdiring her husband just because he cheated is not a fucking good thing. you don't deserve to be fucking executed for cheating, also we don't know what happend before they fucked, maybe she seduced him, maybe she got him drunk or on drugs he didn't really sound like he had it all together when she split his fucking head open with a bullet. I'm not counting injuring Martha with the chainsaw since she deserved it. NOT for being the affair of the teachers husband but for being a cannibalistic serial killer.
In case of the cherubs they didn't know that that guy actually deserved death and also punishing souls is not their job and at that point he was still a mortal human and not an imortal sinner. the shows obviusly differentiate between the two.
Also never not in this or any other comment have I EVER sad that ONLY bad people go to hell in this show! But it is fair to assume it since well the whole fucking concept of the hotel is about turning BAD people into GOOD people and to do that you need what? you guessed it bad fucking people.
@@niktrisvoltaris2151 Wow, it seems like you grew up in a mafiosi family as you say that it’s so easy just to say no. Yeah, really, your abusive mafiosi father definitely won’t try to kill you for that or something. Seems like Moxie is also to blame
Exactly, he did all of that AFTER his death, AFTER his contract with Valentino. That doesn’t mean that in his life he did something wrong willingly.
Nah, cheating IS a serious sin. I would even say it is worse than just being a killer because you don’t just make suffer a random person but betray someone you love. So I still don’t get how Angel deserves death just because he dared to be born in a mafiosi family while this guy didn’t.
What is your point on Cherubs? They were kicked off of Heaven because they ACCIDENTALLY killed a man trying to save him.
Oh, so you realize that not only bad people go to Hell? So how can you still justify Adam and extermination?
...I'm sorry, but he's my favorite character next to Lucifer and Husk. He's so stupid but so cool at the same time- I would despise having a conversation with him sure, but you have to admit he has style when it comes to music and his guitar-axe thing
I’m hoping to see more of Adam’s stories and his perspective in the future seasons to understand the audience of how he must’ve felt in the past about sinners. Sadly he’s dead so it’s pretty unlikely to see more of him….
I think Adam dosent have free will, Alastor point this out at the start of the fight, he is just doing what he is been told to do. And he is angry because the sinners killed one of his angels and is also pissed with Veggy because in his eyes, she betrayed him as well. And lets not forget, he had mercy with Alastor, he could have killed Alastor there.
I dont think Adam story is finnished, Adam gets killed after saying that everyone should worship him, God would definately make sure to send him to hell for that.
I mean, demons are literally people who choose to be bad to other people and themselves on earth, and the punishment is the afterlife
Not demons, just sinners. Demons (hell borns) can be relatively good.
@@icarue993 Biblically they were cast aside for rebelling against God, which is still a sin.
@@The_Practical_Daydreamer Maybe the original demons (Asmodeus, Mamon,?), but there are many hellborns that were born recently. Blitz and Fits were born in the last 30 years, as an example. Those can be relatively good, as Moxxie kinda is.
@@The_Practical_Daydreamernot in hazbin hotel. Demons in hazbin and helluva are born and raised in hell, the only fallen angels in hell are lucifer, and maybe the 7 sins.
I honestly think he partook in the fruit and then lived his life decently enough to get into heaven. Maybe a little bit of bias was involved, between him being The First Man and also the idea that his worse traits may have grown over the centuries he spent in heaven is possible. Also its doubly interesting if Eve went to Hell here - which is plausible since Adam seems to have many women in heaven and we didnt even get a mention of Eve. Imagine Adam making it to heaven only to find out his wife whom he loved ended up in hell, or even worse - him dying first and waiting for Eve in heaven for years upon years only for her to never show up. Now, its all speculations and so far hes pretty much just a one-note villain, which is lackluster to me but might remain the case. Still, I really hope his character is explored beyond the "misogynistic asshole who kills sinners for fun"
I liked how they made Adam minus the "im great" bro kind of attitude. I think he would have been better as like a "i am perfection" actually holier-than-thou kind of guy. Either way he was done dirty and 100% has a great reason to be mad. Also being voiced by the same actor as fizz is a plus.
He will be missed 😢
I will miss Adam 😢
Answer why he's this way: he's pissed at lucifer for stealing his wives.
and ruining his life
and literally also rebelling against God