Holy crap grim, I was worried how you were going to pull off the transition of animation between the two games, seems like you pulled it off perfectly!
Actually not to 100% accurate because i was testing ff14 and i like other ff games like ff7 or ff15 But i was disappointed and turn back tot wow also STOP showing the wow playerbase 24/7 with copium i know you can't imagine it but not every player has the same opinions and not everybody like ff14
@@jointser1008 What Dushas said, it's literally satire, if you're going to get offended about the copium bit, you're literally feeding into the system of what people say about wow.
Yeah . I dont play wow anymore but dude wake up . What blizz can do ? If we dont want play any dungeon together after a single wipe Its our fault not blizz .
@@hosseinhaydari4094 yep this is true. i don't run into groups disband to often and it only really happens if we have shit healer or tank. even then i can go from 1-50 through the dungeons and maybe get 3 disbanding of a group other then that is the same grind fest for XP.
2:40 i had that moment as well. I came up to my first boss that had heavy mechanics (ice wolf) and kept dying and said "you guys can kick me i understand" and the everyone was like "what? No way" and the tank said "I'll die 5 more times if i have too" And that lit a fire in my soul like I'm not gonna let you die even one more time cuz y'all too good.
Probably a bit late, but when I’m tanning for any reason (be it tomestones or roulette XP), I always go slow when there’s a new player in the party. I may piss off the Lalafell Sage who rushes ahead and nearly dies pulling another pack, but at least the new person learns how the dungeon operates. We were all new at some point. Might as well walk free to lead those who walk after.
@@elgatochurro i have learned since then lol this is an old post. I'm thankful for the patience i was shown when i was a sprout and it gave me courage to keep trying and master whm and learn mechanics.
Unless it's a Savage fight with one Sprout and seven Mentors, we will sooner break our helmets bashing our heads against a brick wall than we would leave other people hanging.
During my first attempt at Good King Moogle-Mog we were 7 sprouts and one other player. We wiped once and the non-sprout shat on us for not knowing the fight and refused to do anything as well as not explaining a thing. After another wipe he went on a tirade about how his time was too important to be wasted on failing with sprouts and left. (So that doesn't just happen in WoW.) Instead of disbanding, another dude joined and went "just tank the adds and boss apart from each other and focus the mages". We were done about three minutes after that and I hope the first person enjoyed their half hour penalty.
@@userunknown1030 It's the one and only case of someone like that I've come across in my short stint with the game. Probably had a bad day at work or something like that. Also the first time there was an instant wipe mechanic in a MSQ trial, maybe that's the key.
I said we'd fail. You said, "we'll do that together too." Guess what, Noel? We failed, and you weren't there. But that's what we do, right? Our best work after the fact? We're the FF groups Not the WoW groups, right? I got nothin' for you, Noel! I've got no coordinates, no clues, no strategies, no options! Zero, zip, nada. No trust... Liar ! (sorry, couldn't help myself x) )
At first, the dungeon groups not disbanding after wipes was a surprise, but the real surprise came when doing Extreme Trials w/ PUGs and doing HOURS of progression raiding with strangers. I didn't think that was possible in an MMO.
@@BlazeTube626 Of course, it's just that years of WoW conditioned me to think that progression raiding was something that you needed a dedicated raid team for because PUGs would disband or turn toxic when things didn't go smoothly.
@@Towelietowel I remembered my first Ramuh Ex, I was playing on the JP server, and the team was a mix bag of english speakers and japanese players. Through the power of google translate we wasted 2 hours trying to clear and fail but all of us left with a smile and ggs.
My first Shiva Extreme went like this: Experienced player: "Does anyone need an explanation?" about 5 sprouts: "Yes please." Experienced player: "Alright. Welcome to hell."
Look for the Tamra dwarf tanks, I have yet to meet any other lalafel wearing dwarf gear that wasn't very chill, fun, and helpful. I have sent group invite (yay cross server party!) and just talked new healers through things, and give them tricks to use. Also the biggest hint, keep echo drops on you ALWAYS. You can get them from your grand company for seals so cheap as hell to have a few on you.
I'm like a ptsd ridden WoW-veteran and never felt more serene in dungeons, quite in everything tbh, like i do in XIV, it even compelled me to try and like tanking and healing again. But the Twelve have mercy on anyone going sour and salty in my happy world duty groups because then the ptsd kicks in and i go full satan more on their asses. And report them.
You are so accurate with the dungeon wipe scene. After coming from WoW and wiping in my first dungeon in FF I expected the tank or healer to leave. They were just so positive and wanted to work together to finish.
I hate to tell you this, but this still happens quite often. If you hit 2nd Flood Ray on Diamond EX, it's an auto-leave. Same for ice floor on Titania.
People do sometimes leave dungeons, but it usually takes a few more wipes than just one. Or Salty tanks who want to kick the healer because the tank pulls more than they handle.
The social culture shock is real. I haven't experienced any unfriendly dungeon & raid groups in FFXIV yet and I've just started with Stormblood. Not even in the last raid of Heavensward where I was basically dying constantly because I tried to concentrate on my new lvl 60 Blackmage rotation. And when the healers revived me I often spawned in an AOE and died again. THEY WERE SO NICE. I was appologizing and trying to explain and they were just like: "Don't worry, we got you!". It hit me right in the feels.
a word of advice. when you get revived, you start with an invincibility buff that last 5 or so seconds as long as you dont use any skills (includes sprint). this can save you if you spawn in an unavoidable aoe.
I know, right!? I've been playing since late May this year, and I've been caught off guard by how wholesome the community is! Seriously, I've never seen any as friendly and welcoming as FF14's is! Just today, I was doing one of the lvl 80 Alliance Raids, and I kept dying on the final boss of the second one, making me facepalm in the chat. One of the other players just said "You having one of those days?", being fully understanding about it! That's when you know you're part of a community that is above almost all the others.
But at the same time this makes everthing feel a tad creepy and forced. Normal people get angry, obviously not from some lame dungeon wipes but there comes a time where just acting overly nice won't cut it.
@@Relhio But that's why the "sprout-system" is amazing. They see that you are a sprout, a beginner. And based on that they can guess how much they can expect. They can of course explain things so beginners learn for the next time. But being angry with a new person who is learning the game is exactly why I was hating being a beginner in WoW-dungeons back in the days because I was just getting flamed at without proper explanation or any sympathy.
"Pathetic. You boasted of unrivaled profits. You were entrusted with the ultimate game. The ultimate players! And still you failed. So much for the glory of Blizzard."
@@n1n0rmal3n Blizzard keeps on most creative freedoms. Activision might had a lot of blame for pushing on the e-sports area, but its Blizz the ones with creative bankruptcy and dozens of other problems.
I think I had my first WoW refugee in FF14 today. Was running Sigmascape 4.0 vs Omega the Crab-bot. We wiped twice, getting further the second time than the first (after stopping to explain some mechanics after the first wipe). Dude jumps in chat, "So this is where we disband right?" At the time the group was still going so we let it run, but they wiped. Third try it came down to me and one tank, a Paladin, and I eventually died to mechanics that I couldn't survive as a DPS (stack marker), and it was down to the Paladin. Dude managed to finish off the last 10% of Sigamascape 4.0 by himself, worked mechs like a champion and kept himself alive with Clemency. When he dropped the boss the chat erupted and everyone was asking him to wait so they could commend him. WoW guy was the first to ask him to stay, felt awesome :)
See I had an opposite experience..we had I assume a wow refugee playing gladiator and he was pulling one group at a time (I as the healer even assured him I got him) and he refused to to the point one of our DPS was pulling an extra pack to help speed us up He said "now I see why nobody likes this shit game" and promptly left the group And we cleared some more without him
@orakuotaku to be fair, I don't like it when people pull ahead of me as the tank. I try to go wall to wall, but I don't have the quickest reflexes and unless I've been running a piece of content over and over within the last week my knowledge of where enemies are and how I'll have to pull may be fuzzy. So I'll generally stop to do an AoE to pull as many as I can, then move on to the next pack once I've got all the mobs. Howevere it sometimes happens that a DPS will keep running and just pull the next pack without stopping. Then I habe to rush ahead and grab them off the DPS before they die. So I somewhat understand the frustration of having someone pull extra mobs. Thinking back to when I first started tanking I would'veb been freaked out to see all of them coming at us. Just takes some people longer to get used to W2W pulls.
I was half asleep when I clicked on this video. After that scene I nearly pulled my hamstring from going into a kicking fit of laughter. I have both been the sprout and the elezen 🤣
The change in culture is insane Every fresh dungeon I just go "haven't been here before new tank" and everyone goes "oh when x happens do y, this is a cool dungeon you'll love it man"
Seriously was leveling a dungeon and noticed I was becoming the tank as a DPS as the Warrior seemed to have a hard time with holding aggro. Just sent a quick message about turning on the tank aggro mechanic (because some people forget to turn it on no big deal) and me and the healer worked around it. No issues in the end and the Warrior seemed to figure it out.
You're in luck! As of ShB the XIV community has started to develop a tendency to wait for First timers in the Alliance raid. Doesn't happen 'all' the time, but if the call at the start goes out that there's a first timer. And please let them see the last cutscene, the group can at times wait for the new people. 20 plus people actively waiting while new people watch a cutscene (And probably die a lot for being new) but hey! We can wait!
It's because it's an RPG first and an MMO second. Even YoshiP attests to this. That's why the community gets upset when they hear someone say they skipped story cutscenes. It's not your traditional MMO in that sense.
The Copium Guy literally coping in Limsa Lominsa. Complaining about furries in XIV then cutting to the Vulpera and Worgen. The Blizzard dev with the Ascian Theme. Perfection.
Wow Player: "Don't you want to be free of this hell of an unoptimized group? Don't you want to wait in queue for the heaven of a perfectly efficient party?!" FFXIV Player: "HELL TAKE US, HEAVEN CAN WAIT."
Because you don't need a perfectly efficient party. Unless you explore the harder content, in which case you carefully prepare or wipe a lot in order to learn the ropes. But most content can be enjoyed without being a machine
@@DAFIZZIF It's not what the rumors says. People getting kicked out of raiding guilds because they were spotted playing instead of farming for better gear, or because their DPS was too low, or because they didn't choose the right class with the right spec.
@@Contevent my comment was anti current wow. Since you don't need to be optimized to succeed in lower end content, but will not get accepted to parties and kicked from parties for doing something off-meta despite this taking more time than just doing the damn thing. I'm done with wow forever and playing FFXIV til the wheels fall off (not likely, at least not for many years).
Real talk, 2:15 on is what I've told my friends. I came over to 14 about three years ago FROM WoW, and recently talking about the WoW refugees one of my XIV friends was like "some of them are just so toxic". And that's when I had to lay the truth on them; WoW DOES that to you. so much of WoW is SO toxic you become toxic as a defense mechanism. You wallow in toxicity and adapt to it. So a ton of the WoW refugees are who are still toxic are that way because they're still in that mindset. They do it to defend themselves. Heck, it took me a few months to finally let my guard down cause I kept expecting a hidden camera crew to jump out and start talking about my mom and telling me to uninstall the moment I relaxed. WoW refugees are more like rescues. They need time to learn they won't be abused in their new home XP
This is a little dumb, some people are toxic just because in general they enjoy it. That’s the reason toxicity starts to begin with. No need for emotional support groups or hug sessions to make someone nontoxic. They are in a lot of cases that way because they like it, such as myself.
Hmmm... yeah... hmmm....That's the part where everyone leave... I Didn't pull the trash pack you fuckers I... Oh ! Yeah ! That was me! I apologize. Wait, what ? I mean, I'm sorry I didn't noticed you were new. This time I'll go at your pace so that you can be more familiar with your job ! ... You're not...Going to kick me ? Cause I sucked and we died because I pressed the wrong buttons ? Why would I do that ? I mean the first time I tried to play scholar I forgot to summon my Fae ! Everyone died too ! And then I learned ! *tears forming*
Explains that one wow player I ran across... I was just telling him "if you don't wanna see the cutscenes and such you can just skip them. Ppl will disagree but its YOUR time and subscription (he was still f2p but still)." Like talked to him a lot about it and he just called the game trash and left and I was just bewildered by it... I remember I even told him you can view the cutscenes later any time your want.
@@Shauni3183 yeah I feel bad as healer when the tank dies... The rest? Aren't needed as much but if the tank goes down? It's absolute chaos Sucks too cause I try to convince tanks to go more ham cause it's more fun for me
Thancred's Dialogue: Yoo, Warrior of Light. So I was at the bar earlier, right? And I was looking for some company if you know what I mean! But I wasn't having any luck and just then this BIG Roegadyn dud came up to me and was like "You, me, bedroom." and I was like "yoooo dude chill", but he was so handsome I couldn't just say no! Hahaha! Anyway, a Primal is loose. I can't believe he would just rip a piece of dialogue text straight from the game like that...Spoilers!
@@tripelon not really. He is, just, so extremely closed off besides his bluffs about getting some in bars across the country, then in ShB when he finally opens up it's to "minfillia" (basically his daughter) and Urianger, who's another man his age.
Ironically, right after that, Bolvar said: _"Leave this place, and never return!"_ So many subtle hints in the ending cutscene of the last good expansion the game had. XD
I actually teared up at the dungeon part with people not disbanding. When it first happened to me when we wiped a bunch they weren't sarcastic or anything they gave me pointers and meant it sincerely ☹😭
@@Stuff59042 Isn't it great that the game-system allows you to have two other people living with you? 😛 But in _real life_ there are more than one type of people. So no... That you need to live with others is not a prequisite for happines. There are people who are perfectly fine, or even prefer living alone. What you're describing is how _you_ feel.
@@ecchidragon8038 Nah people aren’t fine being alone long term. The ones claiming that are doing it short term or just not being honest. They may not want a family but they want someone in their lives.
"We waste our time together" That really should not have stirred up emotions. But it did. I remember my first wipe in FF14. I was the healer. No one said anything except the mentor asked if I had any questions. I asked, he answered, he pulled, I healed, we won and that was it. Every other wipe has been like that too.
I generally play Red Mage for pretty much everything. Had a spout healer and tank duo who kept dying in one of the ShB dungeons, Holminster Switch I think. I just kept dual casting raise when one of them went down. They kept apologizing, and I'm just like, its fine. I have dual cast, my raise is always instant, I can keep raising you as long as I have the mana. Between the stacks of Ether potions I always keep on hand for emergencies and Lucid Dreaming, we're fine. Took us a while, but we still cleared it with no one giving up partway through.
@@Vyomesh839 As a mentor myself, seeing a bunch of.. morons wearing those crowns makes me irrationaly angry. "I want the crown because I'm so fucking cool." bullshit, you make us all look bad. You should've known what you were getting into before you started to be jaded and got used to 'disappointments'. To the point where I've actually turned mine off because I've come to see it as a symbol of shame more than anything. Downside is that I can't seem to let go of my mentor instincts though. Oh well, helping people is just fun for me anyway and helping people beat an EX trial is more reward than some stupid crown.
@@FiendMatadorSlayerOfNoobs I keep my crown on and just enjoy the game, helping whenever necessary, if nothing else but to prove that there are decent mentors. Like last week I was farming the minions from the 2nd Nier raid and was just talking shit in chat with the party and having fun. At the end me and another mentor organized a mass-yeeting by the rising building mechanic at like 0.5% HP left (so the battle would still be cleared) and everyone were just laughing their asses off. Pretty much gave up on WoW after WotLK and been playing FF14 since 2017. My most memorable moments from WoW were all the way back in vanilla, but in FF14 they're plentiful by simply enjoying the game often doing absolutely nothing "useful" for my character whatsoever.
That one healer kept saving me from one shot death mechanic by pulling me to her... over and over I wanted to say thank you, but she was gone already before I finished victory cutscene...
@@csguak I think that's the best part.. to a FFXIV Healer it's just another day in the dungeon. No angst at you, no rage at the extra work just "yup. that's our job.. keep the new guys alive and go on to the next one... no stress!" Everyone here is just SO CHILL. (I dabbled off and on, but fully quit WoW for FF this summer myself and..... such bliss.)
The comment about "finally hitting endgame" when obtaining housing is an insight I didn't expect a new player to understand. Raid tiers come and go but housing and glam show true commitment.
It's not even a real house only a fc room but boy he looks so happy with himself, made me glad. The best thing is you can own both a private house and a fc room in same time
@@isegard2957 Could also be an apartment room, they are essentially the same size. And you can own one of those on top of the private estate and fc estate+fc room. all 4 on the same char.
This entire thing is fantastic, but no one is talking about the housing scene: Literally the first thing I did after finishing ARR was to get into crafting and start making money until I got a house. That feeling of finally putting something you had worked so hard towards in your completely and new empty room, knowing it's just the start it's so-so underrated.
@@theffaclan2 Without a doubt, for extremely beginners, gathering. There are high level items and furniture from HW, SB and even SHB that use materials from the very beginning zones of ARR, and most people just can't stand returning to old places to farm stacks of materials. If you pick up a miner and begin to check what materials sell in your server, you could find a neat place to start getting some money.
There is literally a scene in the video about housing and the guy says "ahhh i finally hit endgame" while looking at an empty room waiting to be decorated :D
Yup, that dungeon scene says it all. I was in a group just getting to the first boss in Copperbell Mines when my power went out for a few minutes. It took an excruciating 7 minutes for my modem to come back online so I could log back in and I fully expected to have been kicked from the group. Instead, I found that they kept me in the group and made sure that I got loot from each of the bosses that I might be able to use. When I apologized to everyone, they were all "no worries, man! it happens". I even got a player commendation thingy. Not saying there aren't assholes in FFXIV, because they definitely exist, but it doesn't seem to be the prevalent player mode.
There are but not to the degree in WoW, it is not near as toxic. Plus we do not have to worry about keystone runs. Savage raiding you basically have your 8 man group for the most part, most FC's have numerous raid teams because of the smaller number of players required and you get to know everyone quite well.
@@JDSleeper And that is what is so damn refreshing. There are so many more nice players than dicks. Hell, at the Gold Saucer I have about a 50/50 failure rate at Leap Of Faith, but there are always players cheering me on in the chat after I've missed the same jump for the 10th time. And I don't know any of them.
@@minuette1752 Truth be told, I didn't realize what I was missing in an MMO until I started FFXIV. And while I thought it was because I'd played WoW for so long and was just inured to it so this new experience was refreshing, it wasn't. I feel they way I've always wanted to feel about this type of gaming and never did with WoW (even during the honeymoon period).
“Then we waste our time together” That hit this 15 year WoW vet so hard. My experience doing dungeons and raids in FFXIV: Vets are helpful, informative, and supportive. If we wipe, they offer advice that always helps, and we go again. My last experience in LFR before I quit WoW: Everyone rushing, two players being kicked for not knowing fight mechanics, 1/4 of the group leaving after a wipe, and some guy constantly typing in raid chat “Guys! I just shit my pants! What do I do?”
Interestingly enough, I was always that guy in LFR explaining what to do. After a wipe, I'd say what went wrong and the raid would improve. There were times where I'd leave after 8+ wipes when the raid just didn't seem capable no matter how much they knew, but that was maybe 5% of the time. So yeah, after 16 years of WoW, I hope FFXIV is as told. No community is perfect, but it's difficult for me to comprehend raids naturally having people like I used to be in WoW. I'm only level 27 right now, so I have a ways to go before I worry too much.
I've finished all the MSQs through Shadowbringers and now have 850 hours in FFXIV. I was one of those WoW refugees a lot of months ago. Gotta say... video is spot on, but really doesn't capture the level of "we will do this together" FFXIV has going for it. Try Seat of Sacrifice in Shadowbringers. There are several points in that fight where it's an automatic group wipe if someone messes up. It's not uncommon to have 5+ wipes on that fight. No one rages. No one quits. Someone takes the reins every time and walks all the people failing mechanics through what's going on. And then... something magical happens. Something that not once happened in WoW's toxic, awful community has ever happened in my 15+ years. We take the "garbage", "trash", "sub-optimal" pugs and we get the fight down. It's like a magical revelation coming from WoW. All these people ever needed was respect and patience and all it cost me was an extra 15 minutes and I still got my content done.
And then the people that learned from the experience how to do it right will be able to do the same later on. So in the end we end up with less wipes overall anyway, because more people become competent.
I made the exact same experience! I usually come back to FF14 when a new expansion is at the horizon. Only one (!) time someone was mad because of my gear, whom I directly answered that the game let's me play the content so it's ok. I didn't ruined the chat with insults, just told him again that he has to accept it and also another player tried to "calm us down". Like in ESO if I join a group for dungeons etc. everyone say "Hi", "Hello","Bonjour", and so on. People write their random thoughts into the chat and you immediatly feel "connected" to the group. No one get's blamed for having a question about mechanics etc. . Toxic people will have a hard time in FF14!!
I like how these days those (not gonna say everyone) who wanna add more credibility or impact to what they are saying related to wow somewhere in their statement or whatever they wanna make a point about put in the +15 years. Maybe gonna become some meme if it hadn't already. Not hating or anything, I just find it funny. Still, not once? I somehow find it hard to believe this.
My experience in FFXIV is that the instaleavers get trolled. Wiped on Shinryu once and a healer left, we downed it on the second attempt and everyone was like "lol at that sasshealer who left after one wipe". There's a culture of working together to overcome adversity that is just great in this game.
I can't stop laughing at the Hildebrand thing and how Elezen's expression becomes deranged for a split second like "Ahah adorable sprout you should try this fun quest! No really try it, try it now. I'll keep saying it until you do. Have a nice day!"
@@codernerd7076 If you liked this video you'll probably like Hildebrand. I'm half convinced they made it just to push the facial expression system to it's limit.
Since I didn't see anyone else comment on it, I really appreciate the Vulpera turning his nose up at the "furry," "skimpy clothes," and "disturbing fetishes." I hear that one all the time and I'm just like, "WoW literally has dog, panda, fox, and cow people. Covered in fur. How is cat ears *more* furry than that? And I've seen your male night elf dance chains."
@@A1Steaksauce58 I've only ever asked for one race, that was a Worgen (before they came out) and when they did they changed them from scary looking wearwolves to something from paw patrol
@@phgamer4393 You literally don't go to an Eastern Country until the second expansion. Until then the game is *strictly* Western Fantasy is story and presentation.
One of my favorite touches is the WoW Dev calling the orc at the start a "payer" rather than a "player." It's even better because your accent makes it sound like it could just be a slip-up OR intentional depending on your perspective lol
I was a healer. New to 14. Wiped because of me. I just didn't know the mechanics. I felt so bad that I apologized to the party and left. Now I feel bad for leaving. Not one person said any negative things to me. I should have stayed.
my first experience healing in WoW back during Cata was so terrible. was in Shadowfang Keep and because i was completely terrible at it (hunter main) the party died three times to trash mobs before the first boss. i felt so bad for causing it, I left the group and repspecced immediately. Never tried playing a healer again (i am now a tank main instead, with a motto of "if anyone dies, it's my fault first"
@@elgatochurro Had one rage quit because I never did the dungeon before and we wiped a few times. Left the moment I said I haven't done it before. I think the rest left too so I was left waiting for new people to join and they were much more chill and understanding when I explained what happened.
you know, back in the vanilla days, people were actually trying to communicate and be friendly with each other. just like in ff 14 now. sadly this behavior is no more for a very long time
Man, it is funny, but I miss those days. Like either with friends or even just a pug, you knew that was your evening and everyone knew it will be their evening so people were just kinda chill. Now it is all about running the nth +15 key because nothing says "fun" like getting mega shafted by RNG for the 5th time. No lie, I went like a solid 2 months of using a 187 blue weapon when BFA launched because of RNG, I was raiding CN with a 187 blue weapon as ret. The pain was so real.
Yeah it was pretty weird as a healer in FFXIV to not be yelled at when we all died in dungeons. I instantly said sorry and started giving my reasons and everyone was like, "No its OK, I probably shouldn't have (pulled so much, stood in shit, went around the corner, etc.) we'll just do better next time." O.O I couldn't belive it. When I healed in WoW it was so frustrating because next to the hunters, I'd get yelled at all the time. Also, you can definantly tell who the WoW trash tanks are in FFXIV. They are the only ones who still yell at the healers. I've only seen two since I started playing in July.
Oh you poor thing. Usually people are thankful if you do a decent job and heal the party. Some DPS and even if you wipe it happens :) In my 5 years so far I encountered only 4-5 toxic tanks, who were blaming everything on me (WHM Main). Everybody else is very understanding.
I mean, I still got many tanks who, went I was healer, would pull too many rooms at once (I call mobs as room since there all clustered together) and even after the rest of us telling them to stop pulling too many, would get annoyed after we wiped and i didn’t heal him the next time he did the same stunt and took the Other range dps with them, leaving only me and the Ranger to fight off a 6 slime mob in the copper mines. The response I got when the room opened back up for him? “LOL! I pulled too much.”
@@elgatochurro I have seen a couple over the years, but then I've been playing since original release. Once the word got out, it probably scared others off from acting the same. I did have one fairly recently that I had to explain the person they were raging at was an 8 year old (my kid) on their first MMO. All apologies after that.
"Then we waste our time together"... Yup. That's the one for me. FFXIV : I had two wipes in a day where both times the healers died to mechanics (me along with them) and my PTSD from WoW kicked in. I was waiting for chat to go ballistic, especially the two PLD tanks who were going all out still. Not a single thing was said. The eventual wipe happened, everyone got ready for another go, and we cleared it. Cheers and commendations all 'round at the end. ... Never knew I'd tear up watching a Captain Grim video.
This is amazing. As a FFXIV player, I'm elated the WoW community is channeling all this passion, talent and creativity into a game I love; we used to be a great but (relatively) quiet community, most of the content creation and online presence was streams and the occasional inside joke/meme, Now there's even machinima-style videos, lore hunters, Raid streamers, fashion channels and much more. Sincerely, thank you for bringing this Chad energy to FFXIV, we can now have the best of both worlds.
What happens when all the talent from one community migrate to another. Blizzard isn't just losing subscribers, they're losing the talent necessary to sustain a community. The long-term consequences should be fairly foreseeable.
This comment is firm example of everyone's mentality is in FFXIV. We're grateful for anyone who wants to join us and are eager to all have a great time together.
Incredible animations. Haven't seen a content creator put out something of this level with FF14 models yet. Kudos and looking forward to more of your stuffs.
My heart breaks a little when I hear how sad the dude sounds when he thinks they have to disband. I'm so glad FFXIV isn't so toxic that they'd disband after one wipe.
I mean... That's one meme I never agreed with the massive majority of FFXIV playerbase. Yshtola is a good character, but waifu? Nah fam. That's Yugiri or Hilda. Yshtola is the cool aunt or that goth friend that's fun to hang out with in small doses.
@@KutluMizrak Yugiri really needs to chill though in Stormblood. Concadance just oneshots you, so she has no chance. But yeah shes adorable, evne if they haven't changed her race to au ra (Shes still a cat girl in-code since she was made before au ra existed.)
FFXIV is probably one of the best gaming experiences I've had in years. Some of the most chill people in early raids, dungeons, and trials. Don't think I've had even one DC after a wipe. I've had a ton of fun just shit-talking with others during the cutscenes of ARR's end story dungeons. A ton of laughs were had when me and a group of 3 other new players had Scooby-Doo hijinks during Wanderer's Palace. I only just recently hit Heavensward after several months because I would just have days where I either spent it all crafting and chilling, enjoying all the small player organized events in town. I've spent a lot of time listening bard bands or just taking a minute between quests to watch a basically a flash mob of dancers. In short... Game is good. The social aspect is amazing.
Can confirm, when i was burning through story and went into Akh Afah Amphitheatre for the first time using duty finder, i was a healer and said i was new anything i needed to know? Most ppl said no worries the place is easy and one guy said, enjoy the ride your going to love it and boy was he correct! No spoilers but yeah, that place is great and imo gives a really good image on what FF14 raids and dungeons can be and they are a whole lot more engaging or they draw you in more than WoW's In fact il boot it up now and go do it just for the fun of it!
that dungeon scene was just beautiful....as a wow vet of 13 years FF14 has made me fall in love with MMO's all over again i had that exact same thing happen when i was just starting out. This community is just perfect. I just hope the other wow players who come over change their ways like i have and not be toxic and actually be friendly with everyone. lets help make the community even better
Slightly more rare case since, you know, more exposure... But wasnt the guy who distracted asmon with his whale mount, blocking asmon etc banned quite quickly after he started to get reported?
Gods above and below. Your fucking work is phenomenal man, seriously. Hats off to you Grim! So much of this hits true though, which is both the funny and sad part of it all. lmao
@@someclevername8167 In my case it was cause ARR is actually pretty bad. But some people told me to hold on and get to the expansions, that completely change the game, so i returned. Im gonna be honest, im not seeing how good these exps are neither. They are fine, I guess, but i just cant bring myself to play ffxiv anymore, just as i just play wow now for some occasional raiding cause i have friends in a guild. It wasnt the wow killer people told me about. I think theres a lot of biased and honey moon behaviours regarding ffxiv.
@@someclevername8167 Skill rotations were boring (they don't get good untill Heavensward), zones looked and felt like every asian MMO ever and were small non-open zones, quests were all the same thing, exploration sucks cause everything is so dull and unimaginative, gear is boring, the story is as cliché as it gets and people weren't the "super friendly" community people try to make it sound in comments. Did like the job system though, and the way they handle certain cinematics. Dungeons were ok too. But overall, I felt ARR to be pretty bad. FFXIV should really change that, cause it's the first thing new players try, and it's boring, average at best and, worst of all, SUPER long. That you need to do over 80 quests to reach Heavensward after getting to lvl 50 is stupid as fuck. I started FFXIV with 5 friend from WoW cause we wanted to try something new after so many years in blizzard's MMO. From the 6, only I kept playing. The rest just quit due to how bad ARR is.
@@simonsalgueiro6217 that’s valid honestly. I didn’t see it as much of a grind since I’ve played JRPG’s before. It felt like standard fare as far as I’m concerned. While I will agree that skill distribution could use some work, I liked my job enough that it wasn’t a huge issue. Story is the only thing I disagree on, however. The character development and lore drops are the best they’ve ever been in the franchise up to this point. Sorry you didn’t like it though, especially that you didn’t have a good experience with the community. I’ve met some great people in this game, and if you had someone be unkind to you, it’s an unfortunate exception. I hope you have a good time with whatever game you are playing.
The dungeon group PTSD is so on point. That was one of the biggest shocks for me as a new sprout and one I’m still getting used to 3 months later. Feels so damn refreshing to finally have friendly people to group with in randoms.
well this is never an issue i have. most dungeons in wow are face rolls which is way most fall apart after one wipe. if you can't ran 15 year old content in one go you kind of suck.
@@userunknown1030 So you're supposed to remember how to do 15 year old content perfectly every single time without the slightest errs after at least 10 years of NOT doing it because no one ever does said content because there is... literally nothing in it for them to do it? Sounds like a totally reasonable standard, have a great day.
that 'Wow....' hit me so hard I can't even.... I kid you not I shed a tear. Literally how I felt in ff. In my first 10-15 hours of dungeons I felt super uncomfortable because I thought people were sarcastic when they were nice. Now I realize, people are rally just nice in this game
This is how it was for me too. The community is so much nicer. I remember wiping 3 times to a boss just yesterday. Found out I wasn’t supposed to DPS at a certain phase. The guy explained to me, we had a good laugh, and then beat the boss. Best part is, nobody made me feel ashamed or guilty. If anything, I felt powerful. Like I made lifelong friends from this. Sometimes it’s genuinely hard leaving the dungeon; I can see it in other people sometimes too. When he says “then we fail together”, I genuinely understand that. Because that’s what FFXIV is all about, the community.
They probably ran off before the rest of the group even had the chance to harrass them. (It triggered their PTSD - and yes I mean this seriously) I've played a healer in WoW pretty much since release of the game (didn't play at all for a couple of years) and my last dungeon with randoms before I uninstalled everything Blizzard related was me trying desperately to keep a group alive in which the tank always pulled too much for the amount of damage this group could do, during a week with the worst affix of them all, just to get r.a-p.e. threats in the whisper because I couldn't save the fire mage who thought they could camp in an aoe on a high key. And that was pretty much standard behaviour if you dared to play with random people in WoW as a healer. Best case scenario was: You just get s-hit on because you didn't skill some specific skill despite some world first raider having declared this the best skill four months ago, but otherwise nobody talks to you. I have thick skin, but honestly I was panicking too when I died for the first time in group content while we were doing the "Final Steps of Faith" fight and I saw how the group started to drop. I apologized at least 10 times because I was so sure that I would get insulted and/or threatend. I'm more relaxed now, but it's still hard not to get anxious everytime someone dies because I couldn't save them even if it was their own mistake.
I got a feeling this was me because I accidentally left one time after a wipe (I went to the dungeon exit instead of the shortcut) felt terrible aftwrwards
@@meltdown4126 oh ya forgot about Taurens… I left WoW in June to have FFXIV be my main MMO (I started at the end of Stormblood on and off coming back for each patch).
I admit I played Worgen ... but mostly the thought of a Werewolf in a Dapper Top Hat with a Rifle and a Smaller, equally angry Wolf was kinda funny to me ... then I learned the Dapper Hat is only Cloth.
One of the things I like is that you very rarely come across any jerks in FFXIV in grps/raids.. and when you do those in your party will help call that person out for being a jerk instead of being silent. It's very refreshing. It actually felt like people were backing each other up and not letting the bullies slowly take over........like they have in WoW.
Oh man, I've been waiting to see how XIV would work in your style. Glad to see it translated so well. Also that dungeon scene. I laughed, I cried and laughed. It was just too perfect
People have said it a lot already, but I'll echo it once more, "Then we'll waste our time together." This is what I missed in WoW. I've still not joined a FC yet but I'm actually opening up to the idea because of how awesome and welcoming the community is.
That bit about dungeons was so accurate I was so used to tanking and making one bad pull, and the party disbanding, then I play this game and people instead teach you the mechanics. It’s a crazy healthy system.
Much of the story is in forgiveness of errors and healing mistrusts and age old hatreds. You can't play such a story without thinking about such things.
I feel like this is because the game lightly nudges you to be helpful. If you have a new player, the game tells everyone there’s a new player (without identifying them). It also gives you a reward for it so you’re like, heck yeah a new player extra poetics for me. And then, if a fight ahead has mechanics, ad the experienced player you realize that it’s in your best interest to explain the mech to make it easier and more pleasant for everyone. So, as the new player, people are actively glad to see you, they explain mechs without you having to ask, and if there is a wipe, people are understanding because they know someone is new. And this behavior becomes a habit; people will not disband a roulette party that wiped even if it’s all experienced players because they’re simply not in the habit of disbanding. It’s a genius system that, without ever “forcing” you to be nice to other players, makes it so that it’s always in your best interest to do so.
as a tank it gets to a point where i know i did a pull bigger than my capacity, and i had healers asking for sorry for not focus on healing me, mate, i was the one pulling above my paygrade xD
@@KutluMizrak and then Mitron... He is.. technically obssessed with Loghrif... Forcing her to fuse with him. yeah we can say Blizzard are the Ascians at this point.
I remember when I was new, never played WoW but got on during the migration. I was starting off as a healer and still learning boss mechanics and such. A player was being rude to me, but also rude to the tank taking their time to explain things. One of my party member came to my defense and said "Take that attitude back to WoW". I kinda get it now, a year or so later I've maxed out all my healers and currently maxing out all my tanks, returning the favour whenever someone need help :)
you maxed out all healers? Man ive been here for years and havent done that yet. and yeah, Ive rarely found a toxic in ff14, but its clear its some personal problem... when i started tanking, the poor healer got lumped with us for the hardest dungeon in ARR... he was blaming me for the wipes and not keeping mobs off him in a super chaotic fight, after it was clear arguing would just lead to more arguing, i took the blame and said id try better. Later when he died to simple mehcanics outside a boss room he left... It was clear to me as a healer main the guy was being pushed like never before just as i was the first time i ran that damn lighthouse as healer... not an excuse to blame the tank for it but i understood it.
@elgatochurro Aw, that sounds like a bad time. I came from Warframe so I'm not used to people blaming anyone. I've maxed out all 4 healers, 3 gatherers, Culinarian, Weaver, Reaper, Dancer, Summoner, Red Mage, and all tanks except Warrior. So far I'm liking AST, GNB, and PLD the most. When I think of hardest ARR duty I was thinking of Aurum Vale lmao Still, I play for fun. If I can't be assed to take the time to explain things or learn a new mech, or it's stressing me out to where I'm arguing, just turn off the game. Why bother pissing yourself off? At least that's my approach
@@WanderingVincent well the thing wasnt to psuh blame around, but the healer was frustrated overall. that lghthouse is optional i think and a very deadly place...
@@WanderingVincent Hey I know you posted this a year ago but I'm pretty sure that was me, I literally remember saying that exact line when that exact situation happened, and it was during the migration. 😂 Do you remember if she was a NIN? Not the rude one, the one that defended you
@@nightwish7074 I don't remember if it was a NIN, I just remember it's one DPS being rude to the tank for taking the time explaining boss mechanics and trying to flame me for dying. It was another DPS (an Au Ra iirc) that said "Take that attitude back to WoW" to the one being rude. If that was you, we meet again person who kept me playing into Dawntrails!
"Then we waste our time together." ~ MVP of the Video! This is so true. I was so used to 1-wipe-quits in WoW, but it hardly ever (if at all) happens in FFXIV. Everybody is very friendly, even those that came from WoW. It might be just the atmosphere of the game itself that makes people less hostile.
The entire story is revolving around seeing behind people's anger and trying to give them a new chance. There is nothing to be gained from being an mindless asshole.
It really is, the whole game teaches the idea of forgiveness and second chances with all the other underlying tones. Made me fall in love with MMO's again after quitting WoW few years back.
Well, it also helps there's none of that "you didn't time a key so no one gets any loot" stuff going on, the roulettes mean you get cash, tokens to buy gear with and possibly XP for helping low-level dungeons, so even if you can't use the dungeon gear itself you at least get something for your time instead of "we spent 30+ minutes on a dungeon and no one got anything for our time and our key even went down a level because we failed to time it.". That kind of mentality changes deaths from "Oh, we made a mistake, pick ourselves up and try again" to "we made a mistake, and now we're SCREWED". So FF just does a much better job of fostering a more calm, "It doesn't matter if we wipe a few times as long as we learn from the mistakes and get it done" attitude.
The game just has stupidly high number of anti-frustration design philosophy strapped into it. Point out any one thing in the game and it probably has like 3 anti-frustration measure strapped onto it. Its generally just easier to be friendly when you're not frustrated at the game.
The whole "Then we will waste our time together" thing was something that was in WoW back in the earliest Vanilla days. Maybe that's why WoW Classic was so desired in the first place.
For real. Wasting entire weekends trying to clear those hard to reach dungeons back in vanilla (maraudon, brd,sunken temple, diremaul) for the hell of it with random group who were clearly underleved/geared were some of my fondest memories in wow.
Yeah but the reality is that WoW classic wasn't really the important part, sadly. It's community spirit. And the reason FFXIV is so good at maintaining it is because we all have a common goal; to experience this wonderful game, whether it be through the excellent story, the absolutely jaw-dropping music, or the brilliant visuals. It helps that the guy who makes the game is such a likeable man. He really brings the community together almost all on his own sometimes lol.
@@narius_jaden215 A big part of why people like Yoshi P is he takes blame willingly that he doesn't have to, and that other game devs wouldn't think of, going out and making an apology for some issue or other that caused players problems. He owns it like a MAN even stuff he doesn't really have to.
@@zeehero7280 Seriously he's apologised because they can't expand the servers to deal with the sudden increase in traffic because of a super conductor shortage.That's not even remotely his fault.
@@shadenox8164 Unless... OMG YOSHI P SUPERCONDUCTOR MONOPOLY CONSPIRACY! it all makes sense! 😬 wait dont you mean SEMIconductor? computer chips are made from Semiconductors. not superconductors.
Wait til they majority of the players knew everything about the game and a meta comes out, like warcraft after 10 years. It'll be the same, but yeah its different now, so enjoy.
@@vegeta1885 Having been a die hard fan of FF14 for almost 4 straight years now, the community really hasn't changed. It's always been positive and welcoming. I don't see how 10 more years will change that. FF14 is *not* a new MMO.
@@vegeta1885 FFXIV originally released on September 30th, 2010....it's well over 10 years old now. Even with the meta players, the overall community doesn't care.
@@vegeta1885 I've been playing since 2.0 before Heavensward was even a thing and when ARR had Flash and Stamina for sprint. Even back then the community was the same and helpful in dungeons. I say all that cause the game skills etc was not as great as now and people were still friendly back then too. So i doubt its changing too much
I ended my WoW sub two weeks ago after thirteen long, grueling years. It was my favorite MMO. I played FFXIV off and on since the day ARR launched but honestly never really got into it until post Stormblood, and even then I was so used to faster games that I didn't really want to keep at it much. However, after my favorite class got changed up enough that I felt more relevant (Red Mage), I went back and really started playing. Then...everything on WoW just started crashing down. The sudden and large amount of censorship that has been crammed into the upcoming patch was actually what caused me to throw in the towel. I felt that they would end up making me cover up my own character, and I'm a woman irl that honestly just loves to dress up my female characters in super skimpy outfits in every single game I play. Plus, I could never get the right look for any of my male characters there. I loved that FFXIV allowed me to look super badass or like a hooker that walked out of an expensive gentleman's club (I GET TO WEAR STOCKINGS FINALLY YESSSS). The game plays a lot better now, and considering the changes for Endwalker coming it's got nowhere else to go but up. All the damn side content is what really sells this game too. Games should be fun, and while I considered WoW's endgame to be fun...that's all there really was to do. With FFXIV I can play like twenty different games in one, and I'm not pushed to do any of it, even the "endgame". Wasting time on it is actually productive for my damn mental health because there's no pressure. The simple fact that people actually face repercussions for their negative actions in game is also a huge bonus. WoW became so autonomous with the GMs that they just stopped caring with harassment and similar things. I completely cut off socializing with anyone in game since nothing good ever came of it after a while. Don't get me started on itemization either... At least with FFXIV you bring the player and the class, and the items are only important for the right stats if you want to run Savage and higher. I don't have to worry about having specific trinkets or a set bonus or whatever the hell. It's just me and my ability to play. Who knew that the big "WoW killer" would end up potentially being itself or a shiny world full of crystals, sick sets of armor, and catgirls?
I have outfits that are super modest and outfits that are super skimpy and FFXIV supports either kind! For whatever sex! The outfits in this game are so damn good.
for one of the Shadowbringer tours they bought the lead costume designer for the game. And besides being the most subdued, shyest women I've ever seen, apparently she likes to look at the glam the players create and builds up on it. So she's getting feed back from players as is the team on what to design. Hence Ruby Sea clothes designs or over the type victorian gear. Glad you like the glam!
Wow isn't dead u just never took a break get a life no real person has time to play a mmo for 8 years and then go play another mmo no wonder ur bored who wouldn't get bored for playing years without stopping u suggest u find a gf cause wow is still fun even i et bored when I play nonstop for months but I still come back
It's definitely the catgirls. Jk, WoW vet here too. Started playing FFXIV actively a year ago, and been playing the game on and off on the side before that. Game's got such a healthy community and is so chill to play, it's not even funny. Never ever am I going back to WoW, as much as it hurts as I grew up with WoW, like so many others here.
True and real. I feel this way, too. The story is so good. You only get to play through it the first time once. So enjoy yourself. There's no need to rush.
"I'm so used to everyone leaving after each wipe" I not only experience this on WoW but also in competitive games like dota, league etc. We play 1 match and everything goes smooth, then we lose 1 game and everyone leaves.
2:05 You gotta give that WoW player some credit and respecc. This guy somehow managed to 3mil-6mil, clicked endlessly hoping to buy that house _among the 5-10 other players with some FC also clicking for that house_ and he managed *MANAGED* to all odds get it before they ever did. That player is right. It is his endgame.
Granted I’m only lvl 65 for now I’m content with my room at my FC although I do wish that the bed functioned like the one at the Inn. Though to be honest I really mostly just use the Inn room. If there is one thing miss from FF11 is literally starting the game with your own personal room that you could furnish at your leisure. I don’t know why they didn’t do it again in FF14.
The friendliness and surprise to the friendliness has been me. So used to people getting nasty in WoW, but in FFXIV? I caused a group to wipe twice (albeit from not knowing the dungeon) and STILL got three recommendations and three new people I chat to. FFXIV is lovely.
Heh, I did the same during the boss battle at the Keeper of the Lake between ARR and Heavensward as Whm. I simply didn’t know the boss mechanics and caused two wipes. All the rest of the party did was explain the boss mechanics and what I needed to do. I apologised but they were cool with it. That it was my first run of that dungeon and nobody should expect perfection the first attempt when I’m still learning. But lo and behold the third time around we won without anyone dying at all. I do think that if, as a young sprout 🌱, you encounter laidback, patient players that don’t berate you for newbie mistakes then it sets a pattern in your mind. Then when the day comes months or years later and you’re the veteran and a sprout makes a mistake you pass on the kindness once shown to you. Obviously if you get berated for being new like in WoW, you’ll end up that way .
it's literally the perfect animation and here's why. I mean yeah yeah blizzard fucked up and everything, and people is leaving wow and joining FFXIV, but in this animation I see the connection of the WoW vibe and FFXIV vibe. and in vibe I mean not only the story, but also the animation and effects. and I totally respect that. Love your content. I don't care which games animation will you make, I will still watch every one of them
I'm arthritic and heavily medicated to play through the pain. I stumbled into an extreme dungeon and I apologized for not moving fast enough and dying. Literally the waste time together scene played out and we tried until the time ran out. I was so touched by the kindness.
I have played FFXIV for about two months now, and for the first time in many, many years, I don't feel anxious about playing a healer, I've met 1 (one) bumhole in my countless instance runs, but all the "it's okay, here's how you avoid these mechanics" responses to me messing up have far outweighed that one sour dude
there is always that one or two people like that, in a lot hours of my playtime i encountered some too, but the ratio of kind and helpful people always outweigh it for me too, glad you are not discouraged from the experience
Yes, same here. I love tanking, personally, but in WoW I had to play perfectly - and if I screwed up... 'Next stop: Flame Central.' It gave me what I call 'tanxiety', always made me skittish to ever touch tanking in groups. And it carried over to FFXIV, at first. I still sometimes have tanxiety, but I feel more relaxed now and can embrace it easier. I've got level 80 Paladin, 80 Dark Knight and 80 Gunbreaker, and I'm leveling Warrior now. FFXIV has helped me get over *MOST* of my tanxiety, and I can finally have fun with it. (That said, I too have had a toxic player in a dungeon. As I was leveling Paladin through Shadowbringers, I dared to cast Clemency during a boss fight because healer was OOM and didn't have Lucid Dreaming up. Healer flipped their lid, mocked me ruthlessly for casting Clemency, and on the next mob pull, they ditched the group shortly after I pulled. Miraculously, no one died because, well, Paladin's Clemency. When we got our replacement healer, I jokingly asked them if they'd ditch the group if I cast Clemency, and they gave a very confused 'no...?' We all had a laugh when I explained, and we finished the run without issues - and no, I didn't have to cast Clemency again.)
in 5 months, i had 1 leave, from ARR to patch 5.3, Dungeons, trials ex trials 1 bard left the party... it is pretty remarkable looking back and he didn't flamed anyone, he just left
@@Hexium_Vexium Yeah. Screw that guy. Paladins get Clemency for a reason. You have less personal defensive CDs than the other tanks as a Paladin, exactly because you have Clemency. You're supposed to use it. Anybody that thinks that it's worth putting the party at risk of wiping in favour of pulling off a single extra GCD offensive skill has their priorities wrong. That one extra offensive spell won't help you finish the dungeon faster if doing it causes you to wipe, or even if it just causes a single player to get KO'd; That's alot of extra missed offensive GCDs and potential DPS from the KO'd player (and the Healer) considering the time it takes to Rez someone and the death debuff. If they are about to die and you can save them with a Clemency, you should do so. The risk of not doing so is far greater than the reward of an extra single offensive GCD in a PuG. Sure, ideally you wouldn't have to use it, but if not using it at some point puts you, or even the entire party, at risk of immediately dying, you absolutely should use it. And honestly, if the Healer isn't making you feel comfortable enough to trust them to save everyone, that's on them, not you.
I managed to die in the very beginning of the final storyline dungeon of ARR the first time I did it, missed half the dungeon including multiple minibosses trying to catch up with the party, and died multiple times once I did catch up. I wouldn't be surprised if my net DPS contribution was negative. I got two commendations from the party.
You mean Castrum Meridanum? People used to get left behind all the time in there pre-6.1, there’s no shame in it. I hope you had fun, at least. That’s what matters :)
They patched that finally, thankfully... I remember one time I ended up running back to heal someone through that nonsense because everyone else jsut left them behind...
Friendship ended with WoW. Now FFXIV is my best friend.
Best moments from streaming FFXIV: ruclips.net/video/JThe9cH230Q/видео.html
I'm not familiarized with FFIV... But I can't wait for more machinimas :)
Holy crap grim, I was worried how you were going to pull off the transition of animation between the two games, seems like you pulled it off perfectly!
Actually not to 100% accurate because i was testing ff14 and i like other ff games like ff7 or ff15 But i was disappointed and turn back tot wow also STOP showing the wow playerbase 24/7 with copium i know you can't imagine it but not every player has the same opinions and not everybody like ff14
@@jointser1008 relax it's just a satire
@@jointser1008 What Dushas said, it's literally satire, if you're going to get offended about the copium bit, you're literally feeding into the system of what people say about wow.
"Then we waste our time together."
*single tear slides down my face*
That was beautiful man.
'Healer thumbs ups'
same hehe
I was moved as well.
That "Wow" is deeeeeeep
...they need new chapter of Solo Leveling. Replied before of Profile Pic.
"Then we waste our time together.'
That's fuckin' deep, man.
Is that not the entire point of social games? And it is glorious.
His old Undead model face shining through for a moment was hilarious too. ^_^
I felt that right in my feels.
That’s perfect 👌🏾.
And it is totally my experience in ff14 dungeon when we failed hard X)
"then we waste our time together!"
that's the most anime shit I've heard and it's beautiful
Nakama baby. Believe it.
It has some Avengers vibes.
Tony: We’ll lose.
Steve: Then we’ll do that together, too.
(Age of Ultron)
Yeah . I dont play wow anymore but dude wake up . What blizz can do ? If we dont want play any dungeon together after a single wipe Its our fault not blizz .
@@hosseinhaydari4094 yep this is true. i don't run into groups disband to often and it only really happens if we have shit healer or tank. even then i can go from 1-50 through the dungeons and maybe get 3 disbanding of a group other then that is the same grind fest for XP.
Fucking weebs
2:40 i had that moment as well. I came up to my first boss that had heavy mechanics (ice wolf) and kept dying and said "you guys can kick me i understand" and the everyone was like "what? No way" and the tank said "I'll die 5 more times if i have too"
And that lit a fire in my soul like I'm not gonna let you die even one more time cuz y'all too good.
Probably a bit late, but when I’m tanning for any reason (be it tomestones or roulette XP), I always go slow when there’s a new player in the party. I may piss off the Lalafell Sage who rushes ahead and nearly dies pulling another pack, but at least the new person learns how the dungeon operates. We were all new at some point. Might as well walk free to lead those who walk after.
You guys would kick each other??? over just dying?
@@elgatochurro as a healer if i die the whole party starts to die so like we would keep wiping lol
@@stefanieallen4645 well then you need to learn fast
Normally you can move to where other people are and be safe during mechanics
@@elgatochurro i have learned since then lol this is an old post. I'm thankful for the patience i was shown when i was a sprout and it gave me courage to keep trying and master whm and learn mechanics.
"We just go again."
This sums up FFXIV community in a nutshell.
I had a raid against Ifrir once with so many new players, it took us 1 1/2 hours to complete. No one quit.
But this bond of hope, by treachery was broke... scattering their words to the wind...
In my first run of World of Darkness my group disbanded after the 2nd wipe on the eyeball boss 8(
@@payet_the_mechanic Ahhh, I see they reached the Aurum Vale.
Unless it's a Savage fight with one Sprout and seven Mentors, we will sooner break our helmets bashing our heads against a brick wall than we would leave other people hanging.
"Then we waste our time together."
Damn.... just damn...
I remember my first dungeon wipe back during Heavensward's release and my healer said something similar. That's when I knew I'd found *my* MMO
During my first attempt at Good King Moogle-Mog we were 7 sprouts and one other player. We wiped once and the non-sprout shat on us for not knowing the fight and refused to do anything as well as not explaining a thing. After another wipe he went on a tirade about how his time was too important to be wasted on failing with sprouts and left. (So that doesn't just happen in WoW.) Instead of disbanding, another dude joined and went "just tank the adds and boss apart from each other and focus the mages". We were done about three minutes after that and I hope the first person enjoyed their half hour penalty.
Yeah yeah . Im sick and have Fieber also blizz fault wtf blizz
@@naikyou i am surprised they where that forward with the group usually their more passive aggressive about their anger issue in ff14.
@@userunknown1030 It's the one and only case of someone like that I've come across in my short stint with the game. Probably had a bad day at work or something like that. Also the first time there was an instant wipe mechanic in a MSQ trial, maybe that's the key.
"We'll do this raid together."
"And if we fail?"
"Then we'll do that together too."
i feel my heart crack
Peace in our time
I said we'd fail. You said, "we'll do that together too." Guess what, Noel? We failed, and you weren't there. But that's what we do, right? Our best work after the fact? We're the FF groups Not the WoW groups, right?
I got nothin' for you, Noel! I've got no coordinates, no clues, no strategies, no options! Zero, zip, nada. No trust... Liar !
(sorry, couldn't help myself x) )
"You'll come back once we implement 5 new hair colors" - you captured Blizzard perfectly with that line
this aged nicely.
@@chromeshellkingand it has aged even better now
Yeah lets see how well they do with microsoft at the helm now🙄
@diabolusvincit it's interesting that you think twitch viewership has anything to do with the quality of the game.
Bruh the Blizzard gm being Asciasn would be so on point.
Wink wink that cutscenes with minfilia.
I lost my shit at blizz Asian . So perfect
This is rude and disrespectful to Ascians.
An empire ruined by monsters of their own creation? I could see it
They want to cause another rejoining to put things back to their rightful state.
That is, get players to rejoin WoW and make it the top MMO again.
At first, the dungeon groups not disbanding after wipes was a surprise, but the real surprise came when doing Extreme Trials w/ PUGs and doing HOURS of progression raiding with strangers. I didn't think that was possible in an MMO.
Isn't that the point of an MMO? To have fun and connect with people?
@@BlazeTube626 Of course, it's just that years of WoW conditioned me to think that progression raiding was something that you needed a dedicated raid team for because PUGs would disband or turn toxic when things didn't go smoothly.
@@Towelietowel I remembered my first Ramuh Ex, I was playing on the JP server, and the team was a mix bag of english speakers and japanese players. Through the power of google translate we wasted 2 hours trying to clear and fail but all of us left with a smile and ggs.
@@freakingape that’s beautiful
My first Shiva Extreme went like this:
Experienced player: "Does anyone need an explanation?"
about 5 sprouts: "Yes please."
Experienced player: "Alright. Welcome to hell."
God damn, who knew that leaving wow would make your animation skills go buck wild yoinky sploinky, fuckin incredible stuff man.
Thanks man, means a lot :)
Pint FFXIV Vids when???
yeah where are your vids ffs man?! wdym you have a reallife WE NEED VIDEOS!!
Thanks for everything you do pint and captain grim -- the transition to ff14 from wow has been rough, video's like you guys help a lot
Pint, fem lalafel when?!
The scars of WoW run so deep I'm still skittish in groups at times. The healing will take a long time, but XIV's helped so much.
Look for the Tamra dwarf tanks, I have yet to meet any other lalafel wearing dwarf gear that wasn't very chill, fun, and helpful. I have sent group invite (yay cross server party!) and just talked new healers through things, and give them tricks to use.
Also the biggest hint, keep echo drops on you ALWAYS. You can get them from your grand company for seals so cheap as hell to have a few on you.
I'm like a ptsd ridden WoW-veteran and never felt more serene in dungeons, quite in everything tbh, like i do in XIV, it even compelled me to try and like tanking and healing again.
But the Twelve have mercy on anyone going sour and salty in my happy world duty groups because then the ptsd kicks in and i go full satan more on their asses. And report them.
Me, a healer: if only I could heal emotional damage!!😢
how you feel now?
@@elgatochurro The healing is a long process and I still get antsy at times; but I'm feeling much, much, much better after quitting WoW entirely.
"Then we waste our time together"
God.. that hitted me right in the feels..
He just said what Captain America said to Tony Stark it's not Shakespeare
Is that really how WoW players are? They disband on bad terms every time they lose?
@@datemasamune2904 yep. 100%
Playing Dragonsong over that part really cinched it lol
@@datemasamune2904 yes indeed
You are so accurate with the dungeon wipe scene. After coming from WoW and wiping in my first dungeon in FF I expected the tank or healer to leave. They were just so positive and wanted to work together to finish.
it was cool back in the day, but now it's like fked up so much in wow
Facts my dude. Im happy that ff community has such a positive vibe im loving it
I hate to tell you this, but this still happens quite often.
If you hit 2nd Flood Ray on Diamond EX, it's an auto-leave. Same for ice floor on Titania.
People do sometimes leave dungeons, but it usually takes a few more wipes than just one. Or Salty tanks who want to kick the healer because the tank pulls more than they handle.
Usually people have a lot more patience for sprouts.
The social culture shock is real. I haven't experienced any unfriendly dungeon & raid groups in FFXIV yet and I've just started with Stormblood. Not even in the last raid of Heavensward where I was basically dying constantly because I tried to concentrate on my new lvl 60 Blackmage rotation. And when the healers revived me I often spawned in an AOE and died again. THEY WERE SO NICE. I was appologizing and trying to explain and they were just like: "Don't worry, we got you!". It hit me right in the feels.
a word of advice. when you get revived, you start with an invincibility buff that last 5 or so seconds as long as you dont use any skills (includes sprint). this can save you if you spawn in an unavoidable aoe.
I have 11,000 hours in the game and I can count my experiences with toxic players on both hands.
I know, right!? I've been playing since late May this year, and I've been caught off guard by how wholesome the community is! Seriously, I've never seen any as friendly and welcoming as FF14's is! Just today, I was doing one of the lvl 80 Alliance Raids, and I kept dying on the final boss of the second one, making me facepalm in the chat. One of the other players just said "You having one of those days?", being fully understanding about it!
That's when you know you're part of a community that is above almost all the others.
But at the same time this makes everthing feel a tad creepy and forced. Normal people get angry, obviously not from some lame dungeon wipes but there comes a time where just acting overly nice won't cut it.
@@Relhio But that's why the "sprout-system" is amazing. They see that you are a sprout, a beginner. And based on that they can guess how much they can expect. They can of course explain things so beginners learn for the next time. But being angry with a new person who is learning the game is exactly why I was hating being a beginner in WoW-dungeons back in the days because I was just getting flamed at without proper explanation or any sympathy.
"Pathetic. You boasted of unrivaled profits. You were entrusted with the ultimate game. The ultimate players! And still you failed. So much for the glory of Blizzard."
"UNLEASH! PERFORMATIVE CHANGE!"
"SUCH PACIFICATION! THIS WAS NOT OUR INTENTION!"
god lahabrea is insufferable
@KD yeah... like destiny 2 right? RIGHT!?
@KD hold up it is blizzard fault they did sold out back in the days to Activision for the easy money
@@n1n0rmal3n Blizzard keeps on most creative freedoms. Activision might had a lot of blame for pushing on the e-sports area, but its Blizz the ones with creative bankruptcy and dozens of other problems.
The fact you put the Ascian theme over the blizz devs was perfection. Amazing as always Grim!
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed
It adds to the immersion
I mean... Shlat-I MEAN NABRIALES
It was so damn fitting it just felt natural after hours of listening to fkn ascian scheming xD
The blizz dev calling the player an asshole was the cherry on top
That elf offering copium to the GM feels so cathartic
But he knows: Never get high on your own supply..
What's Copium anyway?
@@teresamoore1326 It's a made-up word combining "cope" and "opium". Basically Copium is a drug that helps you deal with shit.
@@rithrius5384 Thanks for telling me. I guess that's what I'm using to help wait for a webtoon that's on hiatus until December.
The Copium guy is my favorite. Glad you brought him back lol.
391 people agree
We have one of them in the WoW EU forums named Elias. He will defend every single thing blizzard will do ingame
Hhaha GM is also pure gold!
why did it take me this long to realize "copium"... god dammit
The only thing missing is showing the contents of the copium tank is actually New World.
I think I had my first WoW refugee in FF14 today.
Was running Sigmascape 4.0 vs Omega the Crab-bot. We wiped twice, getting further the second time than the first (after stopping to explain some mechanics after the first wipe). Dude jumps in chat, "So this is where we disband right?"
At the time the group was still going so we let it run, but they wiped. Third try it came down to me and one tank, a Paladin, and I eventually died to mechanics that I couldn't survive as a DPS (stack marker), and it was down to the Paladin. Dude managed to finish off the last 10% of Sigamascape 4.0 by himself, worked mechs like a champion and kept himself alive with Clemency. When he dropped the boss the chat erupted and everyone was asking him to wait so they could commend him.
WoW guy was the first to ask him to stay, felt awesome :)
OMG IT'S REAL???
Omega was Alphascape 3.0, Sigmascape 4.0 is Kefka
See I had an opposite experience..we had I assume a wow refugee playing gladiator and he was pulling one group at a time (I as the healer even assured him I got him) and he refused to to the point one of our DPS was pulling an extra pack to help speed us up
He said "now I see why nobody likes this shit game" and promptly left the group
And we cleared some more without him
@orakuotaku to be fair, I don't like it when people pull ahead of me as the tank. I try to go wall to wall, but I don't have the quickest reflexes and unless I've been running a piece of content over and over within the last week my knowledge of where enemies are and how I'll have to pull may be fuzzy.
So I'll generally stop to do an AoE to pull as many as I can, then move on to the next pack once I've got all the mobs.
Howevere it sometimes happens that a DPS will keep running and just pull the next pack without stopping. Then I habe to rush ahead and grab them off the DPS before they die.
So I somewhat understand the frustration of having someone pull extra mobs. Thinking back to when I first started tanking I would'veb been freaked out to see all of them coming at us. Just takes some people longer to get used to W2W pulls.
@@orakuotaku The tank sets the speed. If you can't muster up the ability to wait, then bring your own tank.
2:30 I love how WoW "Etiquete" demands that you say "you suck" and "uninstall pls" as the _polite_ thing to do.
It's like that skit in monty python where the translation book is full of nothing but swearing.
I haven’t played FF yet but people seem nicer over their then in WoW lol
@@Roamingfirebat FF is an online game. WoW is a meatgrinder
@@atomheart7907Don't forget that there is always still RIFT too...
@@Roamingfirebat People are people, the difference is that FF has paid staff to moderate their game.
The Elezen flipping his shit about the sprout skipping a cutscene, I shed a giddy tear laughing
I felt so called out, but at the same time, he's 100% correct.
That was me watching Hazelnutty play FFXIV 😁
The recommendation of Hildebrand had me *dying*
I was half asleep when I clicked on this video. After that scene I nearly pulled my hamstring from going into a kicking fit of laughter. I have both been the sprout and the elezen 🤣
"You know what we do to skippers around these parts, pardner?" 🔫 🤠
The change in culture is insane
Every fresh dungeon I just go "haven't been here before new tank" and everyone goes "oh when x happens do y, this is a cool dungeon you'll love it man"
Wait till you hit The Twinning. One of the tips you're gonna get is "CRANK THE MUSIC!" :D
Then you get to the vault and everyone is telling you to enjoy the cutscene
Seriously was leveling a dungeon and noticed I was becoming the tank as a DPS as the Warrior seemed to have a hard time with holding aggro. Just sent a quick message about turning on the tank aggro mechanic (because some people forget to turn it on no big deal) and me and the healer worked around it. No issues in the end and the Warrior seemed to figure it out.
@@iaxacs3801 even as a tank main, i often forget to turn it back on because level syncing automatically turns it off.
You're in luck! As of ShB the XIV community has started to develop a tendency to wait for First timers in the Alliance raid. Doesn't happen 'all' the time, but if the call at the start goes out that there's a first timer. And please let them see the last cutscene, the group can at times wait for the new people. 20 plus people actively waiting while new people watch a cutscene (And probably die a lot for being new) but hey! We can wait!
The community is so chill and nice but god forbid you skip a cutscene
Well it’s a story driven game 🤣 so skipping the cutscenes if you haven’t seen them is weird to us oldies
You saw what happened when Quin did it, not worth the risk
It's because it's an RPG first and an MMO second. Even YoshiP attests to this. That's why the community gets upset when they hear someone say they skipped story cutscenes. It's not your traditional MMO in that sense.
Well you don't usually skip the cutscenes in a Final fantasy game, so why start here lol?
@@davidbarky1046 oh you mean the guy who never tried the story and already shitting on it?
"Haha, then we waste our time together!"
*reaches out hand*
That's such a Final Fantasy move and I love it 😂👍
Wasnt that from the avengers
@@xelloskaczor5051 Yeah, but its the exact kind of cheese one comes to expect from Final Fantasy aswell.
"WE GO TOGETHER!!!" *chainsaw buzzing intensifies*
Especially playing Dragonsong on the back with it. Totally something that FF would do
Not going to lie that brought a tear to my eye.
The Copium Guy literally coping in Limsa Lominsa.
Complaining about furries in XIV then cutting to the Vulpera and Worgen.
The Blizzard dev with the Ascian Theme.
Perfection.
Wow Player: "Don't you want to be free of this hell of an unoptimized group? Don't you want to wait in queue for the heaven of a perfectly efficient party?!"
FFXIV Player: "HELL TAKE US, HEAVEN CAN WAIT."
Because you don't need a perfectly efficient party. Unless you explore the harder content, in which case you carefully prepare or wipe a lot in order to learn the ropes.
But most content can be enjoyed without being a machine
@@Contevent Same with Wow..
@@DAFIZZIF It's not what the rumors says. People getting kicked out of raiding guilds because they were spotted playing instead of farming for better gear, or because their DPS was too low, or because they didn't choose the right class with the right spec.
@@DAFIZZIF Nope, as a wow vet I can safely say that yes wow used to be like this but not anymore lets not lie to ourselves
@@Contevent my comment was anti current wow. Since you don't need to be optimized to succeed in lower end content, but will not get accepted to parties and kicked from parties for doing something off-meta despite this taking more time than just doing the damn thing. I'm done with wow forever and playing FFXIV til the wheels fall off (not likely, at least not for many years).
Real talk, 2:15 on is what I've told my friends.
I came over to 14 about three years ago FROM WoW, and recently talking about the WoW refugees one of my XIV friends was like "some of them are just so toxic". And that's when I had to lay the truth on them;
WoW DOES that to you. so much of WoW is SO toxic you become toxic as a defense mechanism. You wallow in toxicity and adapt to it. So a ton of the WoW refugees are who are still toxic are that way because they're still in that mindset. They do it to defend themselves. Heck, it took me a few months to finally let my guard down cause I kept expecting a hidden camera crew to jump out and start talking about my mom and telling me to uninstall the moment I relaxed.
WoW refugees are more like rescues. They need time to learn they won't be abused in their new home XP
This is a little dumb, some people are toxic just because in general they enjoy it. That’s the reason toxicity starts to begin with. No need for emotional support groups or hug sessions to make someone nontoxic. They are in a lot of cases that way because they like it, such as myself.
@@MasterSethern i think in this case is different since like LOL you either become toxic or become toxic. there is no in between
Hmmm... yeah... hmmm....That's the part where everyone leave... I Didn't pull the trash pack you fuckers I...
Oh ! Yeah ! That was me! I apologize.
Wait, what ?
I mean, I'm sorry I didn't noticed you were new. This time I'll go at your pace so that you can be more familiar with your job !
... You're not...Going to kick me ? Cause I sucked and we died because I pressed the wrong buttons ?
Why would I do that ? I mean the first time I tried to play scholar I forgot to summon my Fae ! Everyone died too ! And then I learned !
*tears forming*
Explains that one wow player I ran across... I was just telling him "if you don't wanna see the cutscenes and such you can just skip them. Ppl will disagree but its YOUR time and subscription (he was still f2p but still)."
Like talked to him a lot about it and he just called the game trash and left and I was just bewildered by it... I remember I even told him you can view the cutscenes later any time your want.
@@Shauni3183 yeah I feel bad as healer when the tank dies...
The rest? Aren't needed as much but if the tank goes down? It's absolute chaos
Sucks too cause I try to convince tanks to go more ham cause it's more fun for me
Thancred's Dialogue:
Yoo, Warrior of Light. So I was at the bar earlier, right? And I was looking for some company if you know what I mean! But I wasn't having any luck and just then this BIG Roegadyn dud came up to me and was like "You, me, bedroom." and I was like "yoooo dude chill", but he was so handsome I couldn't just say no! Hahaha! Anyway, a Primal is loose.
I can't believe he would just rip a piece of dialogue text straight from the game like that...Spoilers!
thats final fantasy games for you XD
pssst he doesn't actually say that but I laughed even more becuase of this.
thats so on point for thancred in arr, throw in some self-esteem issues because he feels he wasnt good enough at the job
Is it really that gay? serious question
@@tripelon not really. He is, just, so extremely closed off besides his bluffs about getting some in bars across the country, then in ShB when he finally opens up it's to "minfillia" (basically his daughter) and Urianger, who's another man his age.
_"No king rules forever, son."_
-King Terenas "I Told You So" Menethil
ROFL XD great one buddy
Ironically, right after that, Bolvar said: _"Leave this place, and never return!"_
So many subtle hints in the ending cutscene of the last good expansion the game had. XD
I actually teared up at the dungeon part with people not disbanding. When it first happened to me when we wiped a bunch they weren't sarcastic or anything they gave me pointers and meant it sincerely ☹😭
"Looks like I finally hit the end game"
A yes, just like in real life, the endgame is being a homeowner
lol, right? 😆
"Look at me! I'm Dr. Zoidberg, Homeowner!" - Dr. Zoidberg, Homeowner.
Owning a home isn't it. Need others to fill it or it feels hollow. Trust me.
@@Stuff59042 Isn't it great that the game-system allows you to have two other people living with you? 😛
But in _real life_ there are more than one type of people.
So no... That you need to live with others is not a prequisite for happines. There are people who are perfectly fine, or even prefer living alone.
What you're describing is how _you_ feel.
@@ecchidragon8038 Nah people aren’t fine being alone long term. The ones claiming that are doing it short term or just not being honest. They may not want a family but they want someone in their lives.
The forsaken dude has finnaly gotten the the respect he deserves and found his place after all these years.
*sniff* I'm so happy for him!
Ikr, that moment was my fav of the vid!
As the realization hit him you could see a glimpse of the undead he once was
"We waste our time together"
That really should not have stirred up emotions. But it did.
I remember my first wipe in FF14. I was the healer. No one said anything except the mentor asked if I had any questions. I asked, he answered, he pulled, I healed, we won and that was it.
Every other wipe has been like that too.
I generally play Red Mage for pretty much everything. Had a spout healer and tank duo who kept dying in one of the ShB dungeons, Holminster Switch I think. I just kept dual casting raise when one of them went down. They kept apologizing, and I'm just like, its fine. I have dual cast, my raise is always instant, I can keep raising you as long as I have the mana. Between the stacks of Ether potions I always keep on hand for emergencies and Lucid Dreaming, we're fine. Took us a while, but we still cleared it with no one giving up partway through.
WAIT!
You encountered a Mentor actually being....a mentor? And you didn't take a screenshot? :p
@@Vyomesh839 As a mentor myself, seeing a bunch of.. morons wearing those crowns makes me irrationaly angry.
"I want the crown because I'm so fucking cool." bullshit, you make us all look bad. You should've known what you were getting into before you started to be jaded and got used to 'disappointments'.
To the point where I've actually turned mine off because I've come to see it as a symbol of shame more than anything. Downside is that I can't seem to let go of my mentor instincts though.
Oh well, helping people is just fun for me anyway and helping people beat an EX trial is more reward than some stupid crown.
@@FiendMatadorSlayerOfNoobs I keep my crown on and just enjoy the game, helping whenever necessary, if nothing else but to prove that there are decent mentors.
Like last week I was farming the minions from the 2nd Nier raid and was just talking shit in chat with the party and having fun. At the end me and another mentor organized a mass-yeeting by the rising building mechanic at like 0.5% HP left (so the battle would still be cleared) and everyone were just laughing their asses off.
Pretty much gave up on WoW after WotLK and been playing FF14 since 2017. My most memorable moments from WoW were all the way back in vanilla, but in FF14 they're plentiful by simply enjoying the game often doing absolutely nothing "useful" for my character whatsoever.
As easy as 1, 2, 3 get the win baybbyyy. Teamwork makes the dream work
I've never seen anyone animate ff14 like this, absolutely incredible job.
Yea u dot have any shifty ff14 players that make anything like this only wow playera
@@Madara-qr4ql is this.. satire??
The models are not ffxiv. This is either work done in Blender, Maya or Source
@@Madara-qr4ql godzilla had a stroke reading this and fucking died
@@ViewTube_Emperor_of_Mankind These models are definitely extracted from FF14.
"Then we waste our time together."
Man, that got me deep in the feels. I love Final Fantasy XIV 😊😊
WE love FFXIV.
@@zaishijunior9455 *USSR anthem blares*
That one healer kept saving me from one shot death mechanic by pulling me to her... over and over
I wanted to say thank you, but she was gone already before I finished victory cutscene...
@@csguak I think that's the best part.. to a FFXIV Healer it's just another day in the dungeon. No angst at you, no rage at the extra work just "yup. that's our job.. keep the new guys alive and go on to the next one... no stress!" Everyone here is just SO CHILL. (I dabbled off and on, but fully quit WoW for FF this summer myself and..... such bliss.)
People like to blame the WoW devs for everything but thats something that was 100% a problem with the playerbase.
I'm super impressed in how you've integrated the new models and backgrounds from FF. I imagine it was no small work. You're very talented man
So true, im very impressed
Captain Grim does FFXIV?
...I have never been more terrified.
Give me more.
That Undead face when he says wow hits right in the feels..
:'(
You can literally see and feel all his pent up toxicity and anxiety leave his body. The last bit of WoW.
The comment about "finally hitting endgame" when obtaining housing is an insight I didn't expect a new player to understand. Raid tiers come and go but housing and glam show true commitment.
Meanwhile, on WoW... "Yeah we heard you wanted playerhousing since vanilla. Here's your Garrison."
The day I hit 80 on Scholar, I immediately went and spent ~2 mil gil on setting up a rock-solid glam lol
It's not even a real house only a fc room but boy he looks so happy with himself, made me glad. The best thing is you can own both a private house and a fc room in same time
@@isegard2957 Dont forget the normal non-fc apartments.
@@isegard2957 Could also be an apartment room, they are essentially the same size. And you can own one of those on top of the private estate and fc estate+fc room. all 4 on the same char.
This entire thing is fantastic, but no one is talking about the housing scene: Literally the first thing I did after finishing ARR was to get into crafting and start making money until I got a house. That feeling of finally putting something you had worked so hard towards in your completely and new empty room, knowing it's just the start it's so-so underrated.
Even much more so than in Animal Crossing..?
Just started leveling my crafting. Which one do you recommend I level first to make money?
@@theffaclan2 Without a doubt, for extremely beginners, gathering. There are high level items and furniture from HW, SB and even SHB that use materials from the very beginning zones of ARR, and most people just can't stand returning to old places to farm stacks of materials. If you pick up a miner and begin to check what materials sell in your server, you could find a neat place to start getting some money.
@@DJDarkness65 thank you!
There is literally a scene in the video about housing and the guy says "ahhh i finally hit endgame" while looking at an empty room waiting to be decorated :D
Yup, that dungeon scene says it all. I was in a group just getting to the first boss in Copperbell Mines when my power went out for a few minutes. It took an excruciating 7 minutes for my modem to come back online so I could log back in and I fully expected to have been kicked from the group. Instead, I found that they kept me in the group and made sure that I got loot from each of the bosses that I might be able to use. When I apologized to everyone, they were all "no worries, man! it happens". I even got a player commendation thingy.
Not saying there aren't assholes in FFXIV, because they definitely exist, but it doesn't seem to be the prevalent player mode.
There are but not to the degree in WoW, it is not near as toxic. Plus we do not have to worry about keystone runs. Savage raiding you basically have your 8 man group for the most part, most FC's have numerous raid teams because of the smaller number of players required and you get to know everyone quite well.
Oh, we do have our assholes. But in my years of play I've only encountered them a handful of times after hundreds of dungeon runs.
@@JDSleeper And that is what is so damn refreshing. There are so many more nice players than dicks. Hell, at the Gold Saucer I have about a 50/50 failure rate at Leap Of Faith, but there are always players cheering me on in the chat after I've missed the same jump for the 10th time. And I don't know any of them.
@@minuette1752 Truth be told, I didn't realize what I was missing in an MMO until I started FFXIV. And while I thought it was because I'd played WoW for so long and was just inured to it so this new experience was refreshing, it wasn't. I feel they way I've always wanted to feel about this type of gaming and never did with WoW (even during the honeymoon period).
Most of the dickheads are in the LFG section, and are easily spotted.
“Then we waste our time together”
That hit this 15 year WoW vet so hard.
My experience doing dungeons and raids in FFXIV: Vets are helpful, informative, and supportive. If we wipe, they offer advice that always helps, and we go again.
My last experience in LFR before I quit WoW:
Everyone rushing, two players being kicked for not knowing fight mechanics, 1/4 of the group leaving after a wipe, and some guy constantly typing in raid chat “Guys! I just shit my pants! What do I do?”
😂
I am the one that asks to kick a player if he stays at least 1 minute afk, nobody likes to waste time
Interestingly enough, I was always that guy in LFR explaining what to do. After a wipe, I'd say what went wrong and the raid would improve. There were times where I'd leave after 8+ wipes when the raid just didn't seem capable no matter how much they knew, but that was maybe 5% of the time.
So yeah, after 16 years of WoW, I hope FFXIV is as told. No community is perfect, but it's difficult for me to comprehend raids naturally having people like I used to be in WoW. I'm only level 27 right now, so I have a ways to go before I worry too much.
i was the guy, mostly tank, that tried to wipe the group
@@3lit3gn0m3 It's not 100% accurate (you are going to find rude players, can't be helped) but the video is pretty accurate.
Honestly, this is a golden masterpiece. So glad you decided to do this!
Thank you, I'm happy you liked it :)
I've finished all the MSQs through Shadowbringers and now have 850 hours in FFXIV. I was one of those WoW refugees a lot of months ago. Gotta say... video is spot on, but really doesn't capture the level of "we will do this together" FFXIV has going for it. Try Seat of Sacrifice in Shadowbringers. There are several points in that fight where it's an automatic group wipe if someone messes up. It's not uncommon to have 5+ wipes on that fight. No one rages. No one quits. Someone takes the reins every time and walks all the people failing mechanics through what's going on. And then... something magical happens. Something that not once happened in WoW's toxic, awful community has ever happened in my 15+ years. We take the "garbage", "trash", "sub-optimal" pugs and we get the fight down. It's like a magical revelation coming from WoW. All these people ever needed was respect and patience and all it cost me was an extra 15 minutes and I still got my content done.
And then the people that learned from the experience how to do it right will be able to do the same later on. So in the end we end up with less wipes overall anyway, because more people become competent.
I made the exact same experience! I usually come back to FF14 when a new expansion is at the horizon. Only one (!) time someone was mad because of my gear, whom I directly answered that the game let's me play the content so it's ok. I didn't ruined the chat with insults, just told him again that he has to accept it and also another player tried to "calm us down". Like in ESO if I join a group for dungeons etc. everyone say "Hi", "Hello","Bonjour", and so on. People write their random thoughts into the chat and you immediatly feel "connected" to the group. No one get's blamed for having a question about mechanics etc. . Toxic people will have a hard time in FF14!!
Which is why FFXIV > WoW since the beginning of time. The community culture is what is important.
I like how these days those (not gonna say everyone) who wanna add more credibility or impact to what they are saying related to wow somewhere in their statement or whatever they wanna make a point about put in the +15 years. Maybe gonna become some meme if it hadn't already. Not hating or anything, I just find it funny. Still, not once? I somehow find it hard to believe this.
My experience in FFXIV is that the instaleavers get trolled. Wiped on Shinryu once and a healer left, we downed it on the second attempt and everyone was like "lol at that sasshealer who left after one wipe".
There's a culture of working together to overcome adversity that is just great in this game.
I can't stop laughing at the Hildebrand thing and how Elezen's expression becomes deranged for a split second like "Ahah adorable sprout you should try this fun quest! No really try it, try it now. I'll keep saying it until you do. Have a nice day!"
I still didn't do that questline...
@@codernerd7076 YOU REALLY SHOULD TRY IT. IT'S FUN! TRUST ME!
@@codernerd7076 It's fun to the point it deranged people. X'DDDD
No, seriously. It's that fun.
@@codernerd7076 If you liked this video you'll probably like Hildebrand. I'm half convinced they made it just to push the facial expression system to it's limit.
Best questlines ever 😂
Since I didn't see anyone else comment on it, I really appreciate the Vulpera turning his nose up at the "furry," "skimpy clothes," and "disturbing fetishes." I hear that one all the time and I'm just like, "WoW literally has dog, panda, fox, and cow people. Covered in fur. How is cat ears *more* furry than that? And I've seen your male night elf dance chains."
Facts tho. Before the Vulpera was even added people were practically begging for them as a playable race on the forums.
@@A1Steaksauce58 I've only ever asked for one race, that was a Worgen (before they came out) and when they did they changed them from scary looking wearwolves to something from paw patrol
Eh. A lot of us hate vulpera and cat girls at the same time. Ffxiv def has the web feel but whatever it’s not enough to make me turn away from it
@@phgamer4393 Embrace your true feelings, give into the weeb...
@@phgamer4393 You literally don't go to an Eastern Country until the second expansion. Until then the game is *strictly* Western Fantasy is story and presentation.
One of my favorite touches is the WoW Dev calling the orc at the start a "payer" rather than a "player." It's even better because your accent makes it sound like it could just be a slip-up OR intentional depending on your perspective lol
its intentional, watch grim's previous video
@@itsprudhvirazz i think that's obvious
I was a healer. New to 14. Wiped because of me. I just didn't know the mechanics. I felt so bad that I apologized to the party and left. Now I feel bad for leaving. Not one person said any negative things to me. I should have stayed.
I've never had a toxic player or anyone disband in anger
my first experience healing in WoW back during Cata was so terrible. was in Shadowfang Keep and because i was completely terrible at it (hunter main) the party died three times to trash mobs before the first boss. i felt so bad for causing it, I left the group and repspecced immediately. Never tried playing a healer again (i am now a tank main instead, with a motto of "if anyone dies, it's my fault first"
@@elgatochurroYeah, though I can unfortunately say I've had one...
@@Haseo8 Ive had one, angry healer, and i think another rage quit but wasnt angry in chat
@@elgatochurro Had one rage quit because I never did the dungeon before and we wiped a few times. Left the moment I said I haven't done it before. I think the rest left too so I was left waiting for new people to join and they were much more chill and understanding when I explained what happened.
"Then we waste our time together."
*9 hour BRD run flashbacks from Vanilla*
Yes. The experience I've missed.
underrated comment.
you know, back in the vanilla days, people were actually trying to communicate and be friendly with each other. just like in ff 14 now.
sadly this behavior is no more for a very long time
Man, it is funny, but I miss those days. Like either with friends or even just a pug, you knew that was your evening and everyone knew it will be their evening so people were just kinda chill. Now it is all about running the nth +15 key because nothing says "fun" like getting mega shafted by RNG for the 5th time.
No lie, I went like a solid 2 months of using a 187 blue weapon when BFA launched because of RNG, I was raiding CN with a 187 blue weapon as ret. The pain was so real.
I keep telling people FFXIV is so much like Vanilla WoW (tbh a reason I'm not really into it) and they don't get what I mean.
Yeah it was pretty weird as a healer in FFXIV to not be yelled at when we all died in dungeons. I instantly said sorry and started giving my reasons and everyone was like, "No its OK, I probably shouldn't have (pulled so much, stood in shit, went around the corner, etc.) we'll just do better next time."
O.O
I couldn't belive it. When I healed in WoW it was so frustrating because next to the hunters, I'd get yelled at all the time. Also, you can definantly tell who the WoW trash tanks are in FFXIV. They are the only ones who still yell at the healers. I've only seen two since I started playing in July.
That's because they get reported for harassment, and SE actually enforces their EULA.
Oh you poor thing. Usually people are thankful if you do a decent job and heal the party. Some DPS and even if you wipe it happens :) In my 5 years so far I encountered only 4-5 toxic tanks, who were blaming everything on me (WHM Main). Everybody else is very understanding.
I mean, I still got many tanks who, went I was healer, would pull too many rooms at once (I call mobs as room since there all clustered together) and even after the rest of us telling them to stop pulling too many, would get annoyed after we wiped and i didn’t heal him the next time he did the same stunt and took the Other range dps with them, leaving only me and the Ranger to fight off a 6 slime mob in the copper mines.
The response I got when the room opened back up for him?
“LOL! I pulled too much.”
You've seen them? I've never seen someone rage at all during group stuff in all my years of ff14
@@elgatochurro I have seen a couple over the years, but then I've been playing since original release. Once the word got out, it probably scared others off from acting the same.
I did have one fairly recently that I had to explain the person they were raging at was an 8 year old (my kid) on their first MMO. All apologies after that.
"Then we waste our time together"...
Yup. That's the one for me.
FFXIV : I had two wipes in a day where both times the healers died to mechanics (me along with them) and my PTSD from WoW kicked in. I was waiting for chat to go ballistic, especially the two PLD tanks who were going all out still.
Not a single thing was said. The eventual wipe happened, everyone got ready for another go, and we cleared it. Cheers and commendations all 'round at the end.
... Never knew I'd tear up watching a Captain Grim video.
This is amazing. As a FFXIV player, I'm elated the WoW community is channeling all this passion, talent and creativity into a game I love; we used to be a great but (relatively) quiet community, most of the content creation and online presence was streams and the occasional inside joke/meme, Now there's even machinima-style videos, lore hunters, Raid streamers, fashion channels and much more. Sincerely, thank you for bringing this Chad energy to FFXIV, we can now have the best of both worlds.
What happens when all the talent from one community migrate to another. Blizzard isn't just losing subscribers, they're losing the talent necessary to sustain a community. The long-term consequences should be fairly foreseeable.
@@nils191 Thank god honestly, they need to fix their shit before focusing on adding new stuff.
This comment is firm example of everyone's mentality is in FFXIV. We're grateful for anyone who wants to join us and are eager to all have a great time together.
Incredible animations. Haven't seen a content creator put out something of this level with FF14 models yet. Kudos and looking forward to more of your stuffs.
My heart breaks a little when I hear how sad the dude sounds when he thinks they have to disband. I'm so glad FFXIV isn't so toxic that they'd disband after one wipe.
Savage Party finder PUG experience intensifies
“ALSO… Y’SHTOLA’S THE BEST WAIFU AND DON’T LET ME HEAR YOU SAY OTHERWISE!”
-Elezen Warrior, Colorized
Y’shtola best waifu indeed :3
Stormblood def has one of her best lines.
@@archmagemc3561 "It was a sight I'm sure I'll never forget.."
Y'shtola: "IS IT NOW"
I mean... That's one meme I never agreed with the massive majority of FFXIV playerbase.
Yshtola is a good character, but waifu?
Nah fam. That's Yugiri or Hilda.
Yshtola is the cool aunt or that goth friend that's fun to hang out with in small doses.
@@KutluMizrak Yugiri really needs to chill though in Stormblood. Concadance just oneshots you, so she has no chance. But yeah shes adorable, evne if they haven't changed her race to au ra (Shes still a cat girl in-code since she was made before au ra existed.)
FFXIV is probably one of the best gaming experiences I've had in years.
Some of the most chill people in early raids, dungeons, and trials. Don't think I've had even one DC after a wipe. I've had a ton of fun just shit-talking with others during the cutscenes of ARR's end story dungeons. A ton of laughs were had when me and a group of 3 other new players had Scooby-Doo hijinks during Wanderer's Palace.
I only just recently hit Heavensward after several months because I would just have days where I either spent it all crafting and chilling, enjoying all the small player organized events in town. I've spent a lot of time listening bard bands or just taking a minute between quests to watch a basically a flash mob of dancers.
In short... Game is good. The social aspect is amazing.
Can confirm, when i was burning through story and went into Akh Afah Amphitheatre for the first time using duty finder, i was a healer and said i was new anything i needed to know? Most ppl said no worries the place is easy and one guy said, enjoy the ride your going to love it and boy was he correct! No spoilers but yeah, that place is great and imo gives a really good image on what FF14 raids and dungeons can be and they are a whole lot more engaging or they draw you in more than WoW's
In fact il boot it up now and go do it just for the fun of it!
LMAO too good
Looking forward to more of your content Mr Monotone! :D
There he is...legend among us boys...stand strait.
Hey its madseason!
Mad, we miss you.
Mad season!!! I miss you bro
This is the only game where the reason I'm taking such long breaks is the story is breaking me more than anything else. My poor emotions.
I do reccomend taking breaks from the MSQ, especially for the dark bits
endwalker is extremely heavy id recommend journaling (not a spoiler its renowned for being the heaviest)
Me after 5.3
that dungeon scene was just beautiful....as a wow vet of 13 years FF14 has made me fall in love with MMO's all over again i had that exact same thing happen when i was just starting out. This community is just perfect. I just hope the other wow players who come over change their ways like i have and not be toxic and actually be friendly with everyone. lets help make the community even better
unlike WoW, FF14 GMs take their job seriously, toxic players will always be punished.
Slightly more rare case since, you know, more exposure... But wasnt the guy who distracted asmon with his whale mount, blocking asmon etc banned quite quickly after he started to get reported?
@@TheMakushimirian
Yep. They've stated with their ToS, CLEAR as day, that they explicitly do not condone harassment. Such as stream sniping.
@@Xport9 gay as game where u can't have fun or stream snipe lmao
@@masterpain7742 It's supposed to protect normal people from the likes of you.
And thank god it's clearly working.
"Then we waste our time together"
Gave off some real inspirational and Captain America vibes.
Gods above and below. Your fucking work is phenomenal man, seriously. Hats off to you Grim! So much of this hits true though, which is both the funny and sad part of it all. lmao
"Then we waste our time together"
I Cried.
Played wow for 8 years and for years I thought ff14 was trash, boy was I wrong leveling every job on one toon is insane
Out of curiosity, what about it did you think was trash, and what made you start playing the game?
@@someclevername8167 In my case it was cause ARR is actually pretty bad. But some people told me to hold on and get to the expansions, that completely change the game, so i returned. Im gonna be honest, im not seeing how good these exps are neither. They are fine, I guess, but i just cant bring myself to play ffxiv anymore, just as i just play wow now for some occasional raiding cause i have friends in a guild. It wasnt the wow killer people told me about. I think theres a lot of biased and honey moon behaviours regarding ffxiv.
@@simonsalgueiro6217 what didn’t you like?
@@someclevername8167 Skill rotations were boring (they don't get good untill Heavensward), zones looked and felt like every asian MMO ever and were small non-open zones, quests were all the same thing, exploration sucks cause everything is so dull and unimaginative, gear is boring, the story is as cliché as it gets and people weren't the "super friendly" community people try to make it sound in comments.
Did like the job system though, and the way they handle certain cinematics. Dungeons were ok too. But overall, I felt ARR to be pretty bad. FFXIV should really change that, cause it's the first thing new players try, and it's boring, average at best and, worst of all, SUPER long. That you need to do over 80 quests to reach Heavensward after getting to lvl 50 is stupid as fuck. I started FFXIV with 5 friend from WoW cause we wanted to try something new after so many years in blizzard's MMO. From the 6, only I kept playing. The rest just quit due to how bad ARR is.
@@simonsalgueiro6217 that’s valid honestly. I didn’t see it as much of a grind since I’ve played JRPG’s before. It felt like standard fare as far as I’m concerned. While I will agree that skill distribution could use some work, I liked my job enough that it wasn’t a huge issue. Story is the only thing I disagree on, however. The character development and lore drops are the best they’ve ever been in the franchise up to this point. Sorry you didn’t like it though, especially that you didn’t have a good experience with the community. I’ve met some great people in this game, and if you had someone be unkind to you, it’s an unfortunate exception. I hope you have a good time with whatever game you are playing.
The dungeon group PTSD is so on point. That was one of the biggest shocks for me as a new sprout and one I’m still getting used to 3 months later. Feels so damn refreshing to finally have friendly people to group with in randoms.
well this is never an issue i have. most dungeons in wow are face rolls which is way most fall apart after one wipe. if you can't ran 15 year old content in one go you kind of suck.
@@userunknown1030 isn't that LITERALLY what the video adresses and makes fun of... you just played yourself my guy.
@@brosephstinson1297 holy shit we found one in the wild!
@@userunknown1030 So you're supposed to remember how to do 15 year old content perfectly every single time without the slightest errs after at least 10 years of NOT doing it because no one ever does said content because there is... literally nothing in it for them to do it? Sounds like a totally reasonable standard, have a great day.
A run has to be going really awful for a full disband. Typically, one person will leave at a time and get quickly replaced.
Awww, I love that callback to the undead priest from the Struggles of a Healer vid! Great work as always!
that 'Wow....' hit me so hard I can't even.... I kid you not I shed a tear. Literally how I felt in ff. In my first 10-15 hours of dungeons I felt super uncomfortable because I thought people were sarcastic when they were nice. Now I realize, people are rally just nice in this game
This is how it was for me too. The community is so much nicer.
I remember wiping 3 times to a boss just yesterday. Found out I wasn’t supposed to DPS at a certain phase. The guy explained to me, we had a good laugh, and then beat the boss.
Best part is, nobody made me feel ashamed or guilty. If anything, I felt powerful. Like I made lifelong friends from this. Sometimes it’s genuinely hard leaving the dungeon; I can see it in other people sometimes too.
When he says “then we fail together”, I genuinely understand that. Because that’s what FFXIV is all about, the community.
Yea that "wow" with his old undead priest character ghosting in briefly hits hard
Once I got queued with a sprout healer, he died and leaved immediately after, the rest of us went "????", hope that person never does it again.
Hope they learn that they don't need to leave for one mess up.
They probably ran off before the rest of the group even had the chance to harrass them. (It triggered their PTSD - and yes I mean this seriously)
I've played a healer in WoW pretty much since release of the game (didn't play at all for a couple of years) and my last dungeon with randoms before I uninstalled everything Blizzard related was me trying desperately to keep a group alive in which the tank always pulled too much for the amount of damage this group could do, during a week with the worst affix of them all, just to get r.a-p.e. threats in the whisper because I couldn't save the fire mage who thought they could camp in an aoe on a high key. And that was pretty much standard behaviour if you dared to play with random people in WoW as a healer. Best case scenario was: You just get s-hit on because you didn't skill some specific skill despite some world first raider having declared this the best skill four months ago, but otherwise nobody talks to you.
I have thick skin, but honestly I was panicking too when I died for the first time in group content while we were doing the "Final Steps of Faith" fight and I saw how the group started to drop. I apologized at least 10 times because I was so sure that I would get insulted and/or threatend. I'm more relaxed now, but it's still hard not to get anxious everytime someone dies because I couldn't save them even if it was their own mistake.
I got a feeling this was me because I accidentally left one time after a wipe (I went to the dungeon exit instead of the shortcut) felt terrible aftwrwards
@@Adrasteia__ That's actually pretty sad. :( I'm sorry you and other folks had to go through that. :(
Yeah same here
The undead healer getting to live their best life was unexpectedly heart warming
So true about the people who call FFXIV being a furry game while they play Worgen/Vulpera/Pandaren.
10/10 I hope to see more FFXIV Machinima!
Loving that og furry race omission
@@meltdown4126 oh ya forgot about Taurens… I left WoW in June to have FFXIV be my main MMO (I started at the end of Stormblood on and off coming back for each patch).
*Points to the furry scale* XIV is at a 3 at the highest, Wow is full-on "that's a fucking cat"
I admit I played Worgen ... but mostly the thought of a Werewolf in a Dapper Top Hat with a Rifle and a Smaller, equally angry Wolf was kinda funny to me ... then I learned the Dapper Hat is only Cloth.
@@tommenno FF14 does have Hrothgar, which are about the same spot in the scale as Tauren I think.
One of the things I like is that you very rarely come across any jerks in FFXIV in grps/raids.. and when you do those in your party will help call that person out for being a jerk instead of being silent. It's very refreshing. It actually felt like people were backing each other up and not letting the bullies slowly take over........like they have in WoW.
Oh man, I've been waiting to see how XIV would work in your style. Glad to see it translated so well.
Also that dungeon scene. I laughed, I cried and laughed. It was just too perfect
But it´s 100% true. EVERY M+ one wipe = someone leaves. Even if you can still hit the timer they just give up! xD
HES BACK! FF14 STYLE!
Hats off Captain, another hilarious vid! This is gold!
Damn ya worked some magic with even with the FF models.
Feels just like the usual, just... FF. Awesome :D
Hahah, I'm happy to hear that!
People have said it a lot already, but I'll echo it once more,
"Then we'll waste our time together."
This is what I missed in WoW. I've still not joined a FC yet but I'm actually opening up to the idea because of how awesome and welcoming the community is.
you can leave if you ever dont like it. mnany of them have discords too
The blizzard-employee with the Ascian background-music made me roll 🤣
Perfect as always.
*proceeds to watch 20 more times* 🍿
That bit about dungeons was so accurate I was so used to tanking and making one bad pull, and the party disbanding, then I play this game and people instead teach you the mechanics. It’s a crazy healthy system.
Much of the story is in forgiveness of errors and healing mistrusts and age old hatreds. You can't play such a story without thinking about such things.
I feel like this is because the game lightly nudges you to be helpful.
If you have a new player, the game tells everyone there’s a new player (without identifying them). It also gives you a reward for it so you’re like, heck yeah a new player extra poetics for me. And then, if a fight ahead has mechanics, ad the experienced player you realize that it’s in your best interest to explain the mech to make it easier and more pleasant for everyone.
So, as the new player, people are actively glad to see you, they explain mechs without you having to ask, and if there is a wipe, people are understanding because they know someone is new.
And this behavior becomes a habit; people will not disband a roulette party that wiped even if it’s all experienced players because they’re simply not in the habit of disbanding.
It’s a genius system that, without ever “forcing” you to be nice to other players, makes it so that it’s always in your best interest to do so.
as a tank it gets to a point where i know i did a pull bigger than my capacity, and i had healers asking for sorry for not focus on healing me, mate, i was the one pulling above my paygrade xD
blizzard as the Ascians really got me
Hey that's being to nice to Blizzard, at least the Ascians don't sexually harass their employees and sweep it under the rug.
@@MorpheusCh exactly
@@MorpheusCh I mean..... Nabriales ...sorta does.
@@KutluMizrak and then Mitron...
He is.. technically obssessed with Loghrif...
Forcing her to fuse with him.
yeah we can say Blizzard are the Ascians at this point.
@@MorpheusCh Well most dont. But then there's Mitron, lol
I remember when I was new, never played WoW but got on during the migration. I was starting off as a healer and still learning boss mechanics and such. A player was being rude to me, but also rude to the tank taking their time to explain things. One of my party member came to my defense and said "Take that attitude back to WoW". I kinda get it now, a year or so later I've maxed out all my healers and currently maxing out all my tanks, returning the favour whenever someone need help :)
you maxed out all healers? Man ive been here for years and havent done that yet.
and yeah, Ive rarely found a toxic in ff14, but its clear its some personal problem... when i started tanking, the poor healer got lumped with us for the hardest dungeon in ARR... he was blaming me for the wipes and not keeping mobs off him in a super chaotic fight, after it was clear arguing would just lead to more arguing, i took the blame and said id try better. Later when he died to simple mehcanics outside a boss room he left... It was clear to me as a healer main the guy was being pushed like never before just as i was the first time i ran that damn lighthouse as healer...
not an excuse to blame the tank for it but i understood it.
@elgatochurro Aw, that sounds like a bad time. I came from Warframe so I'm not used to people blaming anyone.
I've maxed out all 4 healers, 3 gatherers, Culinarian, Weaver, Reaper, Dancer, Summoner, Red Mage, and all tanks except Warrior. So far I'm liking AST, GNB, and PLD the most. When I think of hardest ARR duty I was thinking of Aurum Vale lmao
Still, I play for fun. If I can't be assed to take the time to explain things or learn a new mech, or it's stressing me out to where I'm arguing, just turn off the game. Why bother pissing yourself off? At least that's my approach
@@WanderingVincent well the thing wasnt to psuh blame around, but the healer was frustrated overall. that lghthouse is optional i think and a very deadly place...
@@WanderingVincent Hey I know you posted this a year ago but I'm pretty sure that was me, I literally remember saying that exact line when that exact situation happened, and it was during the migration. 😂 Do you remember if she was a NIN? Not the rude one, the one that defended you
@@nightwish7074 I don't remember if it was a NIN, I just remember it's one DPS being rude to the tank for taking the time explaining boss mechanics and trying to flame me for dying. It was another DPS (an Au Ra iirc) that said "Take that attitude back to WoW" to the one being rude. If that was you, we meet again person who kept me playing into Dawntrails!
The undead priests character arc is complete... now for Derrick.
Derrick is THE GOAT
Yo man, that part with his past face appearing for a moment to show who he once was in wow, was fucking inspired
it also took me a moment to get the joke of having his old forsaken model face fade in for a moment when he says "WoW".
"Then we waste our time together." ~ MVP of the Video!
This is so true. I was so used to 1-wipe-quits in WoW, but it hardly ever (if at all) happens in FFXIV. Everybody is very friendly, even those that came from WoW. It might be just the atmosphere of the game itself that makes people less hostile.
Well this game is also very strict on assholes too, something WoW could learn from. You can get in shit for being a dick in this game.
The entire story is revolving around seeing behind people's anger and trying to give them a new chance. There is nothing to be gained from being an mindless asshole.
It really is, the whole game teaches the idea of forgiveness and second chances with all the other underlying tones. Made me fall in love with MMO's again after quitting WoW few years back.
Well, it also helps there's none of that "you didn't time a key so no one gets any loot" stuff going on, the roulettes mean you get cash, tokens to buy gear with and possibly XP for helping low-level dungeons, so even if you can't use the dungeon gear itself you at least get something for your time instead of "we spent 30+ minutes on a dungeon and no one got anything for our time and our key even went down a level because we failed to time it.".
That kind of mentality changes deaths from "Oh, we made a mistake, pick ourselves up and try again" to "we made a mistake, and now we're SCREWED". So FF just does a much better job of fostering a more calm, "It doesn't matter if we wipe a few times as long as we learn from the mistakes and get it done" attitude.
The game just has stupidly high number of anti-frustration design philosophy strapped into it. Point out any one thing in the game and it probably has like 3 anti-frustration measure strapped onto it.
Its generally just easier to be friendly when you're not frustrated at the game.
Here is Captain making a better WoW cinematic in the first 30 seconds than a multi-million dollar company did with the Garrosh one in SoD
Multi-dollar*
"Make sure you check out the Hildibrand questline."
*zooms in on eyeballs disconcertingly*
@_@
The whole "Then we will waste our time together" thing was something that was in WoW back in the earliest Vanilla days. Maybe that's why WoW Classic was so desired in the first place.
For real. Wasting entire weekends trying to clear those hard to reach dungeons back in vanilla (maraudon, brd,sunken temple, diremaul) for the hell of it with random group who were clearly underleved/geared were some of my fondest memories in wow.
Yeah but the reality is that WoW classic wasn't really the important part, sadly. It's community spirit. And the reason FFXIV is so good at maintaining it is because we all have a common goal; to experience this wonderful game, whether it be through the excellent story, the absolutely jaw-dropping music, or the brilliant visuals. It helps that the guy who makes the game is such a likeable man. He really brings the community together almost all on his own sometimes lol.
@@narius_jaden215 A big part of why people like Yoshi P is he takes blame willingly that he doesn't have to, and that other game devs wouldn't think of, going out and making an apology for some issue or other that caused players problems. He owns it like a MAN even stuff he doesn't really have to.
@@zeehero7280 Seriously he's apologised because they can't expand the servers to deal with the sudden increase in traffic because of a super conductor shortage.That's not even remotely his fault.
@@shadenox8164 Unless... OMG YOSHI P SUPERCONDUCTOR MONOPOLY CONSPIRACY! it all makes sense! 😬 wait dont you mean SEMIconductor? computer chips are made from Semiconductors. not superconductors.
"-then we waste our time together."
FFXIV: "Come, friend. Let us waste some time together in fun and happiness."
WoW: "u dun ur grind yet, bitch?"
I mean if you get to endgame raiding groups it'll feel nostalgic
Wait til they majority of the players knew everything about the game and a meta comes out, like warcraft after 10 years. It'll be the same, but yeah its different now, so enjoy.
@@vegeta1885 Having been a die hard fan of FF14 for almost 4 straight years now, the community really hasn't changed. It's always been positive and welcoming. I don't see how 10 more years will change that. FF14 is *not* a new MMO.
@@vegeta1885 FFXIV originally released on September 30th, 2010....it's well over 10 years old now. Even with the meta players, the overall community doesn't care.
@@vegeta1885 I've been playing since 2.0 before Heavensward was even a thing and when ARR had Flash and Stamina for sprint. Even back then the community was the same and helpful in dungeons. I say all that cause the game skills etc was not as great as now and people were still friendly back then too. So i doubt its changing too much
I ended my WoW sub two weeks ago after thirteen long, grueling years. It was my favorite MMO. I played FFXIV off and on since the day ARR launched but honestly never really got into it until post Stormblood, and even then I was so used to faster games that I didn't really want to keep at it much. However, after my favorite class got changed up enough that I felt more relevant (Red Mage), I went back and really started playing. Then...everything on WoW just started crashing down. The sudden and large amount of censorship that has been crammed into the upcoming patch was actually what caused me to throw in the towel. I felt that they would end up making me cover up my own character, and I'm a woman irl that honestly just loves to dress up my female characters in super skimpy outfits in every single game I play. Plus, I could never get the right look for any of my male characters there. I loved that FFXIV allowed me to look super badass or like a hooker that walked out of an expensive gentleman's club (I GET TO WEAR STOCKINGS FINALLY YESSSS). The game plays a lot better now, and considering the changes for Endwalker coming it's got nowhere else to go but up. All the damn side content is what really sells this game too. Games should be fun, and while I considered WoW's endgame to be fun...that's all there really was to do. With FFXIV I can play like twenty different games in one, and I'm not pushed to do any of it, even the "endgame". Wasting time on it is actually productive for my damn mental health because there's no pressure. The simple fact that people actually face repercussions for their negative actions in game is also a huge bonus. WoW became so autonomous with the GMs that they just stopped caring with harassment and similar things. I completely cut off socializing with anyone in game since nothing good ever came of it after a while. Don't get me started on itemization either... At least with FFXIV you bring the player and the class, and the items are only important for the right stats if you want to run Savage and higher. I don't have to worry about having specific trinkets or a set bonus or whatever the hell. It's just me and my ability to play.
Who knew that the big "WoW killer" would end up potentially being itself or a shiny world full of crystals, sick sets of armor, and catgirls?
I have outfits that are super modest and outfits that are super skimpy and FFXIV supports either kind! For whatever sex! The outfits in this game are so damn good.
Well said!
for one of the Shadowbringer tours they bought the lead costume designer for the game. And besides being the most subdued, shyest women I've ever seen, apparently she likes to look at the glam the players create and builds up on it. So she's getting feed back from players as is the team on what to design. Hence Ruby Sea clothes designs or over the type victorian gear. Glad you like the glam!
Wow isn't dead u just never took a break get a life no real person has time to play a mmo for 8 years and then go play another mmo no wonder ur bored who wouldn't get bored for playing years without stopping u suggest u find a gf cause wow is still fun even i et bored when I play nonstop for months but I still come back
It's definitely the catgirls.
Jk, WoW vet here too. Started playing FFXIV actively a year ago, and been playing the game on and off on the side before that. Game's got such a healthy community and is so chill to play, it's not even funny. Never ever am I going back to WoW, as much as it hurts as I grew up with WoW, like so many others here.
The elezen losing his shit at the sprout skipping the cutscene is hilarious.
True and real. I feel this way, too. The story is so good. You only get to play through it the first time once. So enjoy yourself. There's no need to rush.
I legit teared up when that Dragonsong tune hit there.
Right there with ya man
i like how it just feels so true that blizzard calls us payers not players. so subtle. so good. so true
"I'm so used to everyone leaving after each wipe"
I not only experience this on WoW but also in competitive games like dota, league etc. We play 1 match and everything goes smooth, then we lose 1 game and everyone leaves.
Competitive aspect made people forgot they "play the game" and not " let the game control you"
@@mickbotcast Play to win vs. play for fun.
I mean in league people stay even if you lose the game, they will still be toxic though
@@Maria_Erias you play for fun and it's no longer competing. It's just a bunch of yes men, how's that fun?
@@Vanished584 playing a game for fun? preposterous!
2:05 You gotta give that WoW player some credit and respecc. This guy somehow managed to 3mil-6mil, clicked endlessly hoping to buy that house _among the 5-10 other players with some FC also clicking for that house_ and he managed *MANAGED* to all odds get it before they ever did.
That player is right. It is his endgame.
I only got my broke-ass Goblet house cause some nice individual announced it in NN. Still took me to the end of my rope to actually buy the damn thing
Granted I’m only lvl 65 for now I’m content with my room at my FC although I do wish that the bed functioned like the one at the Inn. Though to be honest I really mostly just use the Inn room.
If there is one thing miss from FF11 is literally starting the game with your own personal room that you could furnish at your leisure. I don’t know why they didn’t do it again in FF14.
Much like in real life, home ownership is more of a dream in ff14 than a tangible goal
Wait its only 6 mil for a house? this'll be easier than i thought!
@@Grissbane win the lottery yet?
"Then we waste our time together."
Alright. Alright. Who's cutting the onions.
The friendliness and surprise to the friendliness has been me.
So used to people getting nasty in WoW, but in FFXIV? I caused a group to wipe twice (albeit from not knowing the dungeon) and STILL got three recommendations and three new people I chat to.
FFXIV is lovely.
That's awesome :) I'm sure they were just glad that you managed to finally get through to the end.
as a private classic server wow player, i am more and more confused why do ppl even played retail, being toxic in wow?
Heh, I did the same during the boss battle at the Keeper of the Lake between ARR and Heavensward as Whm. I simply didn’t know the boss mechanics and caused two wipes.
All the rest of the party did was explain the boss mechanics and what I needed to do. I apologised but they were cool with it. That it was my first run of that dungeon and nobody should expect perfection the first attempt when I’m still learning.
But lo and behold the third time around we won without anyone dying at all. I do think that if, as a young sprout 🌱, you encounter laidback, patient players that don’t berate you for newbie mistakes then it sets a pattern in your mind. Then when the day comes months or years later and you’re the veteran and a sprout makes a mistake you pass on the kindness once shown to you. Obviously if you get berated for being new like in WoW, you’ll end up that way .
I love the Ascian soundtrack playing when the Blizzard guy appears. It subtly fits so well
"Five new hair colors and maybe some painting reworks..." OMFG I nearly died laughing...
Don't forget name changes!
And they still can't fix the horse animation lmao
it's literally the perfect animation and here's why. I mean yeah yeah blizzard fucked up and everything, and people is leaving wow and joining FFXIV, but in this animation I see the connection of the WoW vibe and FFXIV vibe.
and in vibe I mean not only the story, but also the animation and effects. and I totally respect that.
Love your content. I don't care which games animation will you make, I will still watch every one of them
I'm arthritic and heavily medicated to play through the pain. I stumbled into an extreme dungeon and I apologized for not moving fast enough and dying. Literally the waste time together scene played out and we tried until the time ran out. I was so touched by the kindness.
I have played FFXIV for about two months now, and for the first time in many, many years, I don't feel anxious about playing a healer, I've met 1 (one) bumhole in my countless instance runs, but all the "it's okay, here's how you avoid these mechanics" responses to me messing up have far outweighed that one sour dude
there is always that one or two people like that, in a lot hours of my playtime i encountered some too, but the ratio of kind and helpful people always outweigh it for me too, glad you are not discouraged from the experience
Yes, same here. I love tanking, personally, but in WoW I had to play perfectly - and if I screwed up... 'Next stop: Flame Central.' It gave me what I call 'tanxiety', always made me skittish to ever touch tanking in groups. And it carried over to FFXIV, at first.
I still sometimes have tanxiety, but I feel more relaxed now and can embrace it easier. I've got level 80 Paladin, 80 Dark Knight and 80 Gunbreaker, and I'm leveling Warrior now. FFXIV has helped me get over *MOST* of my tanxiety, and I can finally have fun with it.
(That said, I too have had a toxic player in a dungeon. As I was leveling Paladin through Shadowbringers, I dared to cast Clemency during a boss fight because healer was OOM and didn't have Lucid Dreaming up. Healer flipped their lid, mocked me ruthlessly for casting Clemency, and on the next mob pull, they ditched the group shortly after I pulled. Miraculously, no one died because, well, Paladin's Clemency. When we got our replacement healer, I jokingly asked them if they'd ditch the group if I cast Clemency, and they gave a very confused 'no...?' We all had a laugh when I explained, and we finished the run without issues - and no, I didn't have to cast Clemency again.)
in 5 months, i had 1 leave, from ARR to patch 5.3, Dungeons, trials ex trials 1 bard left the party... it is pretty remarkable looking back and he didn't flamed anyone, he just left
@@Hexium_Vexium Yeah. Screw that guy. Paladins get Clemency for a reason. You have less personal defensive CDs than the other tanks as a Paladin, exactly because you have Clemency. You're supposed to use it.
Anybody that thinks that it's worth putting the party at risk of wiping in favour of pulling off a single extra GCD offensive skill has their priorities wrong. That one extra offensive spell won't help you finish the dungeon faster if doing it causes you to wipe, or even if it just causes a single player to get KO'd; That's alot of extra missed offensive GCDs and potential DPS from the KO'd player (and the Healer) considering the time it takes to Rez someone and the death debuff. If they are about to die and you can save them with a Clemency, you should do so. The risk of not doing so is far greater than the reward of an extra single offensive GCD in a PuG.
Sure, ideally you wouldn't have to use it, but if not using it at some point puts you, or even the entire party, at risk of immediately dying, you absolutely should use it. And honestly, if the Healer isn't making you feel comfortable enough to trust them to save everyone, that's on them, not you.
I'm surprised you found one
It's unreal to me... Only toxic people I've seen have been wow players fresh off wow
I managed to die in the very beginning of the final storyline dungeon of ARR the first time I did it, missed half the dungeon including multiple minibosses trying to catch up with the party, and died multiple times once I did catch up. I wouldn't be surprised if my net DPS contribution was negative.
I got two commendations from the party.
You mean Castrum Meridanum? People used to get left behind all the time in there pre-6.1, there’s no shame in it.
I hope you had fun, at least. That’s what matters :)
@@mogfoil oh god... that segment hurt lol
They patched that finally, thankfully...
I remember one time I ended up running back to heal someone through that nonsense because everyone else jsut left them behind...