I once saw someone theorize that the skeleton in Wilson’s floorboards is whoever WX was before turning into a robot. Doesnt help anyone with their crimes but I find the idea amusing
@@tomsyalad9556 Late but an argument could technically be made that it was WX's. They worked with him so they'd likely have their hands on his creations/supplies. But it also depends on the timeline there, because, depending on how early the WX experiments happen (In other words, if they happened before 1919), they might not have been able to have a Voxola radio. Not saying that this has to be the case, but it is worth thinking about.
Maxwell killcount is actually much higher if we take in account a lot of skeletons lay around in Don't starve. When Maxwell examine skeleton he will say: "Hah, I remember this one!"
@@WormwoodDontStarve in one of america's national park there is an area not owned by the US so getting murdered there nothing can be done about it no arresting of murderer since its foreign soil
Your honor, Wilson didn't tamper with evidence because that skeleton was not involved in a case, even if it was it is so decayed it'd be past the statute of limitations to convict. Furthermore, he didn't tamper with human remains, he owns those bones, they're were on his property and used in an academic context. They couldn't have be mishandled. Wilson is clearly innocent.
In california the statute of limitations doesnt start when an offence occured but when an offence is discovered. So wilson discovering that corpse started the timer for the statute of limitations. He just has to keep quiet for like 20 years and he'll be fine
@@ferretappreciatorAh, so sudently crimes or ok if no one will catch you ? Also, isn't murderer de facto a person that discover the corpse ? If Wilson would be cautch and skeleton would be diagnosed to be 20 years old corpse killed by someone he should be de facto cleared from guilt, at least how it should be going, a law to change. And what if body was there as a poorly made coffin for a self killer, if he would be on the same line wirh the line in this situation ?
I think Walter should be removed from Maxwell's list of kidnap victims. Not only was Maxwell dethroned by this point and thus lost his ability to interact with the normal world. But Walter himself is the one to stumble apon the Voxsola Radio and turn it on. Therfore Walter wasn't kidnapped he simply fell into the Constant.
Technically, maxwell was forced to kidnap those survivors so he shouldn't be charged, but i don't think the judges would believe that shadow forces were controlling him, so he would go to a Hospice just like willow
Correction for the animals from wx's short: those would be attributed to WX themself rather than Wagstaff. While it is possible that Wagstaff may have done things with them in the past or future, what we do see is WX's actions before they became a robot. Technically though they wouldn't be charged for it on account of being a robot and probably legally dead
Wilbur most likely wasn't born in the Constant. This is hinted at through Maxwell's inspection quote of Wilbur without his crown, "Well I suppose there's no sending you back now".
Maxwell would very likely bring in an entirely new category: Not guilty by reason of demonic possession. The question now is: how do you charge these shadow demons, and how do you catch them or keep them in jail? Also, Wagstaff: what do you charge someone with if they break the laws of physics?! Now I’m imagining the judge asking Maxwell what his defense is, and his response is the shadow demon possessing him releasing Maxwell, knowing its flesh puppet is about to be rendered useless. Then everyone has to figure out what the hell you’re supposed to do when there’s a shadow demon flying around the room. Even funnier if it tries to possess the judge.
Possessed? Wait since when was maxwell possessed this whole time? Afaik He was bound to the throne, not possessed. I know charlie was possessed, but aside from her involvement in the initial incident her actions were of the not applicable variety. If you mean the conversation between the two AFTER charlie retakes the throne, where he DOES finally get maybe possessed, that is in the not applicable category as well
Now, this might not be an answer, but the UN has a code against modifying weather (yet to be done) so im assuming a new law would be made for Wagstaff breaking the natural laws of physics.
Maxwell's mental state is also questionable, imo. Moreover, it is not entirely clear whether it was Maxwell, his shadow, or some shadow creature in Maxwell's guise who was abducting people. Anyway, Great video! 🙂
I would argue that WIllow might be found innocent if she could prove she was being "forced" to do it by the shadows. If she could prove that Maxwell (or Them) was forcing her hand to do it, blackmailing her (not blackmailing but I can't remember the real word for forcing someone to commit a crime), she might be found innocent.
18:10 wagstaff crime would be consensual homicide since that dead body was wagstaff assistant (wx 78) and he worked with him after he did it so probably it was consensual
It would likely fall under Assisted Su*c*de, even if the assistant wasn't depressed or su*c*dial. Since that's the closest you're going to get to consensual homicide
For WX I would say that instead of being charged for crimes he would probably be captured and studied by the government or be completely disassembled if judged as too dangerous to be allowed to continue functioning.
I just realized, when WX's mind was transferred to the robot, what happened to the human body? Is the skeleton in Wilson's floorboards (which used to be Wagstaff's) the human body of WX?
Your honour, I would claim that my client Walani is innocent of all charges on account of just being a silly little gal. My girl just wanna chill out and surf with her dolphin buddies. Also, let Warly go home to his sick mom Charlie, you monster!
One little nitpick I have is that you decided to count Maxwell's crimes after he entered the constant, and you mentioned the prior rule, but you didn't actually elaborate on why you're making the exception. If it's because they're all canon and not player controlled, you should then logically count the actions of the characters during cinematics and trailers that take place in the constant. (yes I'm a pedant and a Maxwell main. How could you tell?)
as others have said it was because maxwells crimes had an effect outside of the constant, every other characters constant-based crimes had no external effect
4:14 you presume she did it on purpose. In all likelihood, how would a child cause an explosion of the magnitude shown on purpose. She was less than 10 years old, and likely wouldn’t know how to purposely cause the extent of damage that she did.
Is this video taking into account that most of the survivors where taken in 1920, that is over a centaury ago, there would have been some changes to laws, so it would only be fair to judge them based on the laws of the 1920
@@paigebax2690 we did consider following the laws that would be present during the 1920-s (or even earlier), but it was difficult to find a proper source. Though fun fact: Wagstaff and/or WX wouldn't be charged with animal trafficking/abuse due to the law not existing at the time
TW: Suicide Lore nerd here! Hi! I'm using Ohio laws because I think this likely happened in/around Ohio. If we go by California laws instead, Robert wouldn't be as culpable. I personally would count the whole consciousness transferal experiment with WX as assisted suicide. Or, at least, for this, I'll be counting it as such. It's a weird gray area, but since their old body is dead and Robert did help them, I'm going to assume that this is how it would be classified. For context, let's look at Ohio's definition of assisted suicide. "(A) Except as provided in section 3795.03 of the Revised Code, no person shall knowingly cause another person to commit or attempt to commit suicide by doing either of the following: (1) Providing the physical means by which the other person commits or attempts to commit suicide; (2) Participating in a physical act by which the other person commits or attempts to commit suicide. (B) Whoever violates division (A) of this section is guilty of assisting suicide, a felony of the third degree." So, yes, I'd say that this counts. Let's look at the punishments now. "3)(a) For a felony of the third degree that is a violation of section... or 3795.04 of the Revised Code... the prison term shall be a definite term of twelve, eighteen, twenty-four, thirty, thirty-six, forty-two, forty-eight, fifty-four, or sixty months." I cut out most of the violations that count here since the only relevant one is 3795.04: assisted suicide. Essentially, Robert is looking at 12-60 extra months in the slammer. I would, however, consider this to replace his second hand murder charge, assuming the skeleton in his floorboards to be WX's. From what I can see, and please correct me if I'm wrong because Google isn't giving me any information on this, suicide/attempted suicide does not seem to be illegal in Ohio, so WX themself wouldn't be culpable for that. I decided to look into identity theft to see if any of it would count, but, if you have implied consent, which WX probably does to some extent even if we're counting them as a different person from who they were before, it's legal, so WX is in the clear. I'd count them as being responsible for tampering with evidence. Here's Ohio's laws on that. "(b) For a felony of the third degree that is not an offense for which division (A)(3)(a) of this section applies, the prison term shall be a definite term of nine, twelve, eighteen, twenty-four, thirty, or thirty-six months." So they've got 9-36 months in the slammer. They would also be charged with corpse abuse, just like Robert. "(A) No person, except as authorized by law, shall treat a human corpse in a way that the person knows would outrage reasonable family sensibilities. (B) No person, except as authorized by law, shall treat a human corpse in a way that would outrage reasonable community sensibilities. (C) Whoever violates division (A) of this section is guilty of abuse of a corpse, a misdemeanor of the second degree. Whoever violates division (B) of this section is guilty of gross abuse of a corpse, a felony of the fifth degree." Let's assume they violate both, since, y'know, I don't think most communities want you to hide a corpse in your colleague's floorboards, even if it is yours. A second degree misdemeanor gives them up to 90 days in prison. A felony of the fifth degree is 5-18 months in prison. WX is also guilty of 2 charges of animal cruelty using Ohio laws, just like Robert. This gives them an extra $1,500 fine and 180 days in jail. RESULTS FOR WX: -Tampering with evidence -Corpse abuse -Animal abuse -60 months in jail (5 years) -$1,500 fine This is all null and void, however, if WX is considered to be dead.
Not sure about law in america, but it is important to notice that Willow in first arson is a child, pretty young too meaning (at least where I live) that entire thing would be caretaker's fault and Willow would get 0$ fine and 0 sentence (only a note to her papers and prosecutor keeping eye on her)
Technically, Maxwell is innocent on the WMD charge, he didn’t know that such damage would occur, so technically his charges should be dropped to a lot of involuntary manslaughter
To be fair, all the Ghosts, skeletons and Pipspooks in the constant are Maxwell killing people too. And the Pipspooks are babies not even kids they are freaking babies. Maxwell says he remembers their deaths and they might still hold a grudge if he revives them so hes litterally admiting to murder.
We have no solid info on Woody's life before the constant, but I'd honestly posit that there might be involuntary manslaughter, or injury at least. That cabin was in the middle of nowhere, and while Werebeavers have zero lore, it's a common trope for the feral type werewolf that can't always control their actions when transformed to isolate themselves and live far away from anyone they could harem, usually after some horrible, tragic incident when they first started the change. Lumberjacks typically live in big cabins full of coworkses. Their job is not one safe to do alone.
There is one other thing with Maxwell you missed. He used the train accident to fake his death. Whilst that of itself isn't illegal, there are plenty of side effects of doing so that would cause you to get into a hell of a lot of trouble.
all of the crimes happened before they even went into the contant. they would definitely be charged, but likely wouldn't be convicted, as being put through the Constant is more than enough of a sentence.
I would actually argue that Woodlegs is N/A, not Guilty. There is reason to believe he is a constant native because of his quotes for things like the Quacken, and because he’s found in a cage with three locks - one key being in the Yaarctopus’ posession, one in watery graves, and one in the Quacken’s possession - which is unlike anyone else in the constant (Wes was in Adventure Mode, Woodlegs was just in some random volcano).
Due to woodlegs quotes with a certain bird and octopus In shipwrecked he appears to know them already which means he could’ve been in the constant for a long time
Techically some of the survivors did enter the constant of their own volition, and its likely maxwell didnt actually have the power to send them back out of the constant. Though im imagining that still counts as kidnapping. (Worth noting though that walter arrived after maxwell was dethroned, he just triggered a trap that hadnt been removed. Not sure what thatd count as but its probqbly not kidnapping?) I also have to wonder if wagstaff would get into any trouble for not reporting the many kidnapped/trapped survivors locations to the authorities when he found them.
Considering that he's a robot I personally even though I'm not a legal expert believe that the person who gave him orders to commit any crimes would be how to guilty
It's not clear what exact mechanism Wheeler's device is using to shoot. That matters, because if it's not going through a barrel and using combustion as the means of accelerating the projectile, it would not count as a firearm per California law. As it's drawn, it's not even clear to me how it's supposed to function. The wiki suggests it's some kind of pneumatic device though, and merely constructing one of those is legal in California. Wheeler is not guilty, IMO. It might be hard to pin Maxwell's use of magic on him with both knowledge/intent of the threat. Unfortunately for him, that won't help with his mass kidnapping.
“As the judge of this courtroom, I have come to the conclusion that I am not qualified to charge these people in a normal court of law, so as the ruling judge, I appeal this case to…. The United Nations Global Occult Coalition.”
4:22 that has to be blatantly wrong, from what i know even in the US you aren't allowed to punish however harsh you deem fit for whatever you deem wrong. but thanks to the option of homeschooling the most abusive parents will not as easily be found out and any crime done at home unlikely to be punished. 4:34 this could be considered significantly more than gross negligence or abuse, it could be considered a form of torture, they took away the teddy obviously used for emotional comfort, they left her without so much of a blanket in just her nightgown and it's a storage room (thus unheated) without light and with flammable dangerous chemicals (thus the room should be kept cool), as such it is common sense the child will not sit still and thus the "caretakers" willfully accepted the likelyhood of an accident causing severe bodily harm to the child. And as there is no lightsource and it should be quite cold in the room a crafty child will try to make light and warmth. As such her arsonery would fully fall onto the caretakers, be considered self defense or be considered an accident, not showing remorse for killing the caretakers can be easily ignored as it's rather obvious she didn't even know they were dead yet as such the mslicious intent would be difficult, if not impossible, to prove, depending massively on her age and psychological evaluation. furthermore there is no indication of the orphanage being a governmental facility (and if the state would try to settle out of a court to not shed light onto the abuse happening in their facility), quite the contrary as the caretakers clearly are abusive, the orphanage seemingly rather small with basically no staff and no other children at the time, whereas the library seems more likely to not be a private institution.
Funny thing about woody is you can see some newspaper clips on him in a short of I think Wolfgang and it speaks about a werebever so not a crime but he’s a Cryptid
I am unsure if Wurt was born in the constant or not. From the gorge we know that people can turn into merms, so without enough information we do not know where Wurt was born.
I don't think Wagstaff was directly responsible for using Ilegal animals. In that short we see Wx-78 Pov, before he transforms into a robot. In that video we see memories from Wx, that was his work.
Maxwell didn't know, and couldn't have possibly have known that would have happened. He's clearly not guilty of that. Also they don't execute prisoners in California since 2006.
time is non-linear in the constant, and no date is confirmed, and the order the victims are kidnapped in is also non-linear. based on their interact dialogue with the Orange Soda trinket, WX-78 does not know what soda is, which dates as far back as the 1770s, yet Webber is aware of what a license plate is, which means he has to come from at least the 1900s, and the sprite of the license plate seems to indicate that its one after standardization laws, which came about in 1956. Walter, who entered the Constant _after_ Maxwell was released from his throne (and therefore guaranteed to be after Webber was kidnapped), also doesn't know what soda is. Needless to say, time is all sorts of whacked up, and if the survivors ever made it out of the constant, who knows when they'd get spit out.
You could say the Don't Starve Characters are being punished for their Crimes The being Maxwell ended up summoning being a Demon from Hell or Purgatory
Not sure the California Law regarding trash but at the start Wagstaff was stealing garbage, which in some states I believe is considered theft of private property if it is not on the curve
Why would Maxwell be getting second degree murder charges for deaths caused by the damage? Wouldn't that be considered manslaughter since he didn't actually intend to kill anyone?
Genuine question. When did the survivors go from primarily being located in Europe, to primarily being located in California? I've played Don't Starve since before Don't Starve Together exists, and before RoG exists. I'm assuming the lore changed a bit? I'm not saying Polarlotus is wrong or anything, I just haven't kept up terribly well.
Agree w the folks who say the lab animal charges should be against WX rather than Wagstaff, but could Wagstaff be charged for trafficing an exotic animal(the spider in Webber's short)?
Some pepole says that Willow also destroyed Wagstaff factory but I personal think that Wagstaff did it to hide his ,,experiments" in constant so no one will make any trobule for him
For Maxwell I don't think that they could prove in a court of law that dark magic caused it lol Also Maxwell was captive and being tortured (the throne) while he was kidnapping so it could be argued that he was under duress or atleast not in his right mind -- the kidnappings and his imprisonment were also magical tho so...
Isn't Wagstaff stealing evidence from theatre? Yeah, the evidence would be destroyed if he didn't took it, but he never shared it. Also, isn't Maxwell using a WMD without knowing it is one? If someone would detonate a nuke by accident not being aware they mess with a nuke would they be charged for terrorism?
Woody is guilty because we can see that he was the were beaver from the cinematic of Walter, and we don't really have evindence, it's most likely he did commit some murder.
While Willow has definitely committed crimes...if we're using modern California style law here, would she REALLY be convicted that harshly for the stuff she did in the orphanage? She was a KID! She'd get juvie! The later adult stuff, sure, but even then you could still use the insanity defense. Yeah I'm a Willow main, but your honor, ladies and gentlemen of the jury: CHILD.
Is there any leeway for Maxwell? I mean, he clearly did it unintentionally; murder may be reduced to manslaughter, and, in all his use of the book to that point, he never seemed to experience any effects like that on the level of a massive earthquake, so, it could be argued he had no way of knowing that could be an outcome.
@@Babbleplay manslaughter is actually a description of “I meant to slap him not kill him!” It’s for when the guilty guy was already aggressive, did intend to use some force but not a lethal amount. You’d be charged with it if you drove towards a guy to scare him away and accidentally hit him, but not if it was because your brakes malfunctioned. Maxwell would either be considered under duress for all of it, or considered not guilty by reason of demonic possession.
@@Wizardsaresquishy oh, for whatever reason, I thought manslaughter also included deaths that were unintentional, but happened by careless, reckless, or clueless behavior
actually no, wortox was not born in the constant, not is he even trapped there. he's there, and continues the be there by choice. still N/A because he's a demon so...
I once saw someone theorize that the skeleton in Wilson’s floorboards is whoever WX was before turning into a robot. Doesnt help anyone with their crimes but I find the idea amusing
Probably not, the lab looks different from wx short
@@PolymerUawagstaff carried his emotional support skeleton with him to his science hut
@@PolymerUa We do know that the house *was* Wagstaff's, so it's likely, if strange
@@tomsyalad9556 Late but an argument could technically be made that it was WX's.
They worked with him so they'd likely have their hands on his creations/supplies.
But it also depends on the timeline there, because, depending on how early the WX experiments happen (In other words, if they happened before 1919), they might not have been able to have a Voxola radio.
Not saying that this has to be the case, but it is worth thinking about.
Maybe it's WILTON!! The unused character from Klei themselves!
„She is pretty much a depressed child, making Wendy an law abiding citizen”
Windy
@@aptokro3005 Yeah, the name was misread in the video as "Windy"
7:33 7:40
Fun fact, Windy has more than eleven million subscribers on RUclips
General, what are you doing here? Preston told me to find you and report another settlement needs your help.
Maxwell killcount is actually much higher if we take in account a lot of skeletons lay around in Don't starve. When Maxwell examine skeleton he will say: "Hah, I remember this one!"
true but since the skeletons are in the constant they don't apply as the constant doesn't have a legal system
@@starboundsingularitybut wouldn’t you say those skeletons from the constants ‘were’ people Maxwell had taken from the real world?
@@WormwoodDontStarve ohh perhaps!! i hadn't really considered that, thank you
@@WormwoodDontStarve in one of america's national park there is an area not owned by the US so getting murdered there nothing can be done about it no arresting of murderer since its foreign soil
@@ztriker4406 even if they were killed in the Constant, they were taken there against their will. That’s kidnapping
Your honor, Wilson didn't tamper with evidence because that skeleton was not involved in a case, even if it was it is so decayed it'd be past the statute of limitations to convict. Furthermore, he didn't tamper with human remains, he owns those bones, they're were on his property and used in an academic context. They couldn't have be mishandled.
Wilson is clearly innocent.
In california the statute of limitations doesnt start when an offence occured but when an offence is discovered. So wilson discovering that corpse started the timer for the statute of limitations. He just has to keep quiet for like 20 years and he'll be fine
@@ferretappreciatorAh, so sudently crimes or ok if no one will catch you ?
Also, isn't murderer de facto a person that discover the corpse ? If Wilson would be cautch and skeleton would be diagnosed to be 20 years old corpse killed by someone he should be de facto cleared from guilt, at least how it should be going, a law to change.
And what if body was there as a poorly made coffin for a self killer, if he would be on the same line wirh the line in this situation ?
the bones held up by themselves, making it a decoration. real skeletons collapse
Your honour, request to call the jury "chat"
chat is this real
@@elivcdxv1852I think it is
I think Walter should be removed from Maxwell's list of kidnap victims. Not only was Maxwell dethroned by this point and thus lost his ability to interact with the normal world. But Walter himself is the one to stumble apon the Voxsola Radio and turn it on. Therfore Walter wasn't kidnapped he simply fell into the Constant.
Technically, maxwell was forced to kidnap those survivors so he shouldn't be charged, but i don't think the judges would believe that shadow forces were controlling him, so he would go to a Hospice just like willow
Can't wait for DST lore experts and lawyers to rip into you in the comments :3
Indeed they arrived
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Correction for the animals from wx's short: those would be attributed to WX themself rather than Wagstaff. While it is possible that Wagstaff may have done things with them in the past or future, what we do see is WX's actions before they became a robot. Technically though they wouldn't be charged for it on account of being a robot and probably legally dead
I would say considering WX is Wagstaff's creation, he would be held accountable since he programmed WX, so that should be his responsibility.
@@Jorvalt wx created themself did you even watch their short??
Very cool thumbnail
I just had unprotected sex with a gun
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Yes
Agreed 😊
I know right??
Wilbur most likely wasn't born in the Constant. This is hinted at through Maxwell's inspection quote of Wilbur without his crown, "Well I suppose there's no sending you back now".
Maxwell would very likely bring in an entirely new category: Not guilty by reason of demonic possession.
The question now is: how do you charge these shadow demons, and how do you catch them or keep them in jail?
Also, Wagstaff: what do you charge someone with if they break the laws of physics?!
Now I’m imagining the judge asking Maxwell what his defense is, and his response is the shadow demon possessing him releasing Maxwell, knowing its flesh puppet is about to be rendered useless. Then everyone has to figure out what the hell you’re supposed to do when there’s a shadow demon flying around the room.
Even funnier if it tries to possess the judge.
Possessed?
Wait since when was maxwell possessed this whole time? Afaik He was bound to the throne, not possessed.
I know charlie was possessed, but aside from her involvement in the initial incident her actions were of the not applicable variety.
If you mean the conversation between the two AFTER charlie retakes the throne, where he DOES finally get maybe possessed, that is in the not applicable category as well
Now, this might not be an answer, but the UN has a code against modifying weather (yet to be done) so im assuming a new law would be made for Wagstaff breaking the natural laws of physics.
Maxwell's mental state is also questionable, imo.
Moreover, it is not entirely clear whether it was Maxwell, his shadow, or some shadow creature in Maxwell's guise who was abducting people.
Anyway, Great video! 🙂
Also is it not men slotter cos he didn't want to harm ene one
I would rule Maxwell as “not guilty by reason of possession, demonic or otherwise.”
@@yaron2755 ???
Manslaughter is literally that. Causing someone to die on accident, like a car crash
@@yaron2755manslaughter is literally causing a fatality on accident. Like a car crash or something
(I think yt auto-deleted my previous comment)
Maxwell also has a charge for vandalism, because he changed wigfrids news paper which is her property, by using magic
Walani could have been apart of the navy, legally storing the gun powder of our god fearing troops.
damn, wilson mains are not innocent. edit: Wormwood my boy! you are innocent
I would argue that WIllow might be found innocent if she could prove she was being "forced" to do it by the shadows. If she could prove that Maxwell (or Them) was forcing her hand to do it, blackmailing her (not blackmailing but I can't remember the real word for forcing someone to commit a crime), she might be found innocent.
It would probably become involuntary manslaughter at that point, not simply having her walk free.
18:10 wagstaff crime would be consensual homicide since that dead body was wagstaff assistant (wx 78) and he worked with him after he did it so probably it was consensual
At least that what i think happened
I just thought exact same thing.
It would likely fall under Assisted Su*c*de, even if the assistant wasn't depressed or su*c*dial. Since that's the closest you're going to get to consensual homicide
all of these survivors just describe me as a whole
Only the wormwood
HUH??
For WX I would say that instead of being charged for crimes he would probably be captured and studied by the government or be completely disassembled if judged as too dangerous to be allowed to continue functioning.
i havent started the video yet but willow is gonna get life in jail
Not really 59 years
Walter is clearly cooking blue moonglass on the side
I think she can plead insanity and get a one-time ticket to a lobotomy (they had lobotomies during the era this takes place in, right?)
I just realized, when WX's mind was transferred to the robot, what happened to the human body? Is the skeleton in Wilson's floorboards (which used to be Wagstaff's) the human body of WX?
Your honour, I would claim that my client Walani is innocent of all charges on account of just being a silly little gal. My girl just wanna chill out and surf with her dolphin buddies.
Also, let Warly go home to his sick mom Charlie, you monster!
Walani could have been just fascinated by subject of pirates, but not actually being one
I study law and now you instigated me to see what crimes the characters committed according to Brazilian law. Lol.
Willow with her teddy bear CHARGED AS AN ADULT!?! The real criminal here is the justice system 🤦🏼♀️
Well she is confirmed to be in her early 20’s.
@@Alexander_Snow but when she burned the orphanage she was a child
your honor my client is literally neurodivergent and a minor
@@Alexander_Snow yeah, in the current day of the game taking place. not when she was still in an orphanage lmao
One little nitpick I have is that you decided to count Maxwell's crimes after he entered the constant, and you mentioned the prior rule, but you didn't actually elaborate on why you're making the exception. If it's because they're all canon and not player controlled, you should then logically count the actions of the characters during cinematics and trailers that take place in the constant. (yes I'm a pedant and a Maxwell main. How could you tell?)
Probably because it had effects outside the constant
“Not guilty by reason of demonic possession!”
While he himself was in the constant, the crimes themselves were committed in the mortal realm, American/wherever’s soil, not the constant’s soil
as others have said it was because maxwells crimes had an effect outside of the constant, every other characters constant-based crimes had no external effect
I love how he didn't even bother talking about the librarian 😂
Hehe, wish to see more lore-related stuff from you! Also loved helping with the vid :]
P.S. My boy Wilson did nothing wrong he's innocent
4:14 you presume she did it on purpose. In all likelihood, how would a child cause an explosion of the magnitude shown on purpose. She was less than 10 years old, and likely wouldn’t know how to purposely cause the extent of damage that she did.
10/10 vid loved helping with it hope you do more like it!
Definitely planning on it! I have a few fun theory video ideas :D
Is this video taking into account that most of the survivors where taken in 1920, that is over a centaury ago, there would have been some changes to laws, so it would only be fair to judge them based on the laws of the 1920
@@paigebax2690 we did consider following the laws that would be present during the 1920-s (or even earlier), but it was difficult to find a proper source.
Though fun fact: Wagstaff and/or WX wouldn't be charged with animal trafficking/abuse due to the law not existing at the time
TW: Suicide
Lore nerd here! Hi!
I'm using Ohio laws because I think this likely happened in/around Ohio. If we go by California laws instead, Robert wouldn't be as culpable.
I personally would count the whole consciousness transferal experiment with WX as assisted suicide. Or, at least, for this, I'll be counting it as such. It's a weird gray area, but since their old body is dead and Robert did help them, I'm going to assume that this is how it would be classified. For context, let's look at Ohio's definition of assisted suicide.
"(A) Except as provided in section 3795.03 of the Revised Code, no person shall knowingly cause another person to commit or attempt to commit suicide by doing either of the following:
(1) Providing the physical means by which the other person commits or attempts to commit suicide;
(2) Participating in a physical act by which the other person commits or attempts to commit suicide.
(B) Whoever violates division (A) of this section is guilty of assisting suicide, a felony of the third degree."
So, yes, I'd say that this counts. Let's look at the punishments now.
"3)(a) For a felony of the third degree that is a violation of section... or 3795.04 of the Revised Code... the prison term shall be a definite term of twelve, eighteen, twenty-four, thirty, thirty-six, forty-two, forty-eight, fifty-four, or sixty months."
I cut out most of the violations that count here since the only relevant one is 3795.04: assisted suicide. Essentially, Robert is looking at 12-60 extra months in the slammer. I would, however, consider this to replace his second hand murder charge, assuming the skeleton in his floorboards to be WX's.
From what I can see, and please correct me if I'm wrong because Google isn't giving me any information on this, suicide/attempted suicide does not seem to be illegal in Ohio, so WX themself wouldn't be culpable for that. I decided to look into identity theft to see if any of it would count, but, if you have implied consent, which WX probably does to some extent even if we're counting them as a different person from who they were before, it's legal, so WX is in the clear.
I'd count them as being responsible for tampering with evidence. Here's Ohio's laws on that.
"(b) For a felony of the third degree that is not an offense for which division (A)(3)(a) of this section applies, the prison term shall be a definite term of nine, twelve, eighteen, twenty-four, thirty, or thirty-six months."
So they've got 9-36 months in the slammer. They would also be charged with corpse abuse, just like Robert.
"(A) No person, except as authorized by law, shall treat a human corpse in a way that the person knows would outrage reasonable family sensibilities.
(B) No person, except as authorized by law, shall treat a human corpse in a way that would outrage reasonable community sensibilities.
(C) Whoever violates division (A) of this section is guilty of abuse of a corpse, a misdemeanor of the second degree. Whoever violates division (B) of this section is guilty of gross abuse of a corpse, a felony of the fifth degree."
Let's assume they violate both, since, y'know, I don't think most communities want you to hide a corpse in your colleague's floorboards, even if it is yours. A second degree misdemeanor gives them up to 90 days in prison. A felony of the fifth degree is 5-18 months in prison.
WX is also guilty of 2 charges of animal cruelty using Ohio laws, just like Robert. This gives them an extra $1,500 fine and 180 days in jail.
RESULTS FOR WX:
-Tampering with evidence
-Corpse abuse
-Animal abuse
-60 months in jail (5 years)
-$1,500 fine
This is all null and void, however, if WX is considered to be dead.
Yoo thank you for an in-depth explanation for WX :D
Wagstaff has been known to be a con man so you add that to the charges
being a con man isnt a crime bruh
@@Random-user22 He's a Con Man, Scamming people, which is Illegal b r u h
Not sure about law in america, but it is important to notice that Willow in first arson is a child, pretty young too meaning (at least where I live) that entire thing would be caretaker's fault and Willow would get 0$ fine and 0 sentence (only a note to her papers and prosecutor keeping eye on her)
THE KING UPLOADED AGAIN!!!
Technically, Maxwell is innocent on the WMD charge, he didn’t know that such damage would occur, so technically his charges should be dropped to a lot of involuntary manslaughter
To be fair, all the Ghosts, skeletons and Pipspooks in the constant are Maxwell killing people too. And the Pipspooks are babies not even kids they are freaking babies. Maxwell says he remembers their deaths and they might still hold a grudge if he revives them so hes litterally admiting to murder.
We have no solid info on Woody's life before the constant, but I'd honestly posit that there might be involuntary manslaughter, or injury at least. That cabin was in the middle of nowhere, and while Werebeavers have zero lore, it's a common trope for the feral type werewolf that can't always control their actions when transformed to isolate themselves and live far away from anyone they could harem, usually after some horrible, tragic incident when they first started the change. Lumberjacks typically live in big cabins full of coworkses. Their job is not one safe to do alone.
Something you failed to mention is that Maxwell took Wes and Walter into the constant on accident
Accidental kidnapping is still kidnapping
@@polarlotusShould't be imo.
5:50 actually, it is implied that she burned down the Voxola factory.
There is one other thing with Maxwell you missed. He used the train accident to fake his death. Whilst that of itself isn't illegal, there are plenty of side effects of doing so that would cause you to get into a hell of a lot of trouble.
my favorite DST char: Windy
I don't think people that are put in another world and escaped it barely surviving would be charged for their crimes
all of the crimes happened before they even went into the contant. they would definitely be charged, but likely wouldn't be convicted, as being put through the Constant is more than enough of a sentence.
“…Would they be considered guilty or…”
Me: … or Innocent?
“…Or not guilty!”
Me: oh.
I would actually argue that Woodlegs is N/A, not Guilty. There is reason to believe he is a constant native because of his quotes for things like the Quacken, and because he’s found in a cage with three locks - one key being in the Yaarctopus’ posession, one in watery graves, and one in the Quacken’s possession - which is unlike anyone else in the constant (Wes was in Adventure Mode, Woodlegs was just in some random volcano).
wheelers "gun" whould most likely qualify as a air gun or some kind of that
Due to woodlegs quotes with a certain bird and octopus In shipwrecked he appears to know them already which means he could’ve been in the constant for a long time
i like how the thumbnail is a refrence to the tf2 comic
It's not! It was based off the Barbie and Ken mugshots meme.
Though I like TF2 comics, so I don't mind xdd
Fun Fact! Warbucks actually got put on trial and his sentencing was being removed from Hamlet.
4:35 - Depends on if it was ruled a deliberate act or an accidental use of her abilities.
Cool vid dude
Techically some of the survivors did enter the constant of their own volition, and its likely maxwell didnt actually have the power to send them back out of the constant. Though im imagining that still counts as kidnapping. (Worth noting though that walter arrived after maxwell was dethroned, he just triggered a trap that hadnt been removed. Not sure what thatd count as but its probqbly not kidnapping?)
I also have to wonder if wagstaff would get into any trouble for not reporting the many kidnapped/trapped survivors locations to the authorities when he found them.
in fact, since wolfgang saved maxwell, he's not only a law abiding citizen, but a good role model as well
Wolfgang the absolute Chad getting 0 illegal charges and a debatable -1 for saving a person’s life.
Considering that he's a robot I personally even though I'm not a legal expert believe that the person who gave him orders to commit any crimes would be how to guilty
It's not clear what exact mechanism Wheeler's device is using to shoot. That matters, because if it's not going through a barrel and using combustion as the means of accelerating the projectile, it would not count as a firearm per California law. As it's drawn, it's not even clear to me how it's supposed to function. The wiki suggests it's some kind of pneumatic device though, and merely constructing one of those is legal in California. Wheeler is not guilty, IMO.
It might be hard to pin Maxwell's use of magic on him with both knowledge/intent of the threat. Unfortunately for him, that won't help with his mass kidnapping.
that pirate animation 🤣🤣
“As the judge of this courtroom, I have come to the conclusion that I am not qualified to charge these people in a normal court of law, so as the ruling judge, I appeal this case to…. The United Nations Global Occult Coalition.”
4:22
that has to be blatantly wrong, from what i know even in the US you aren't allowed to punish however harsh you deem fit for whatever you deem wrong. but thanks to the option of homeschooling the most abusive parents will not as easily be found out and any crime done at home unlikely to be punished.
4:34
this could be considered significantly more than gross negligence or abuse, it could be considered a form of torture, they took away the teddy obviously used for emotional comfort, they left her without so much of a blanket in just her nightgown and it's a storage room (thus unheated) without light and with flammable dangerous chemicals (thus the room should be kept cool), as such it is common sense the child will not sit still and thus the "caretakers" willfully accepted the likelyhood of an accident causing severe bodily harm to the child. And as there is no lightsource and it should be quite cold in the room a crafty child will try to make light and warmth. As such her arsonery would fully fall onto the caretakers, be considered self defense or be considered an accident, not showing remorse for killing the caretakers can be easily ignored as it's rather obvious she didn't even know they were dead yet as such the mslicious intent would be difficult, if not impossible, to prove, depending massively on her age and psychological evaluation. furthermore there is no indication of the orphanage being a governmental facility (and if the state would try to settle out of a court to not shed light onto the abuse happening in their facility), quite the contrary as the caretakers clearly are abusive, the orphanage seemingly rather small with basically no staff and no other children at the time, whereas the library seems more likely to not be a private institution.
14:15 I fell asleep and woke up at this point and thought I was dreaming lmao
Funny thing about woody is you can see some newspaper clips on him in a short of I think Wolfgang and it speaks about a werebever so not a crime but he’s a Cryptid
I am unsure if Wurt was born in the constant or not. From the gorge we know that people can turn into merms, so without enough information we do not know where Wurt was born.
don’t starve my beloved
Fun fact: It takes 7 years for a corpse to become a skeleton. Whatever Wilson did is not as bad as 7+ years of decomposition.
I don't think Wagstaff was directly responsible for using Ilegal animals. In that short we see Wx-78 Pov, before he transforms into a robot. In that video we see memories from Wx, that was his work.
that thumbnail is crazy
Maxwell didn't know, and couldn't have possibly have known that would have happened. He's clearly not guilty of that.
Also they don't execute prisoners in California since 2006.
But in Dont'Starve is 20 sentry, not 21.
@@doomslayer7670 and the Animal welfare law wasn't really a thing until 1966, and DST is around 20-40s so it wouldn't apply either
@@doomslayer7670 Do you mean that the story takes place within the 20th Century? Fair point.
time is non-linear in the constant, and no date is confirmed, and the order the victims are kidnapped in is also non-linear. based on their interact dialogue with the Orange Soda trinket, WX-78 does not know what soda is, which dates as far back as the 1770s, yet Webber is aware of what a license plate is, which means he has to come from at least the 1900s, and the sprite of the license plate seems to indicate that its one after standardization laws, which came about in 1956. Walter, who entered the Constant _after_ Maxwell was released from his throne (and therefore guaranteed to be after Webber was kidnapped), also doesn't know what soda is.
Needless to say, time is all sorts of whacked up, and if the survivors ever made it out of the constant, who knows when they'd get spit out.
You could say the Don't Starve Characters are being punished for their Crimes
The being Maxwell ended up summoning being a Demon from Hell or Purgatory
cmon we know it wasnt wagstaff experimenting on animal-machine hybrids here, it was WX78's old body whose skeleton might have ended in Wilson's house
Not sure the California Law regarding trash but at the start Wagstaff was stealing garbage, which in some states I believe is considered theft of private property if it is not on the curve
18:10 - I know its not confirmed, but I always assumed the skeleton was WX's original body.
imagine:you survived an tons of days to finally escape hungry world to get arrested by some cop
Why would Maxwell be getting second degree murder charges for deaths caused by the damage? Wouldn't that be considered manslaughter since he didn't actually intend to kill anyone?
you forgot to look at the law in the 20s-30s
Mentioned it in the other comment, but finding a proper source for the law in 20s (or even earlier) was difficult
SERVES his ass right for betraying me..
Genuine question. When did the survivors go from primarily being located in Europe, to primarily being located in California? I've played Don't Starve since before Don't Starve Together exists, and before RoG exists. I'm assuming the lore changed a bit? I'm not saying Polarlotus is wrong or anything, I just haven't kept up terribly well.
We can probably put maxwell on credit fraud due to running away to escape debt.
i love the thumbnail
Your honor, Mr. Kelly did not know she was 15
If you take a look at willow's DS character poster, you'll find A LOT more houses set on fire, she's not seeing the light of day again
I can't be the only one who noticed that my main Wickerbottom was missed
Webber for just existing lmao
Agree w the folks who say the lab animal charges should be against WX rather than Wagstaff, but could Wagstaff be charged for trafficing an exotic animal(the spider in Webber's short)?
Some pepole says that Willow also destroyed Wagstaff factory but I personal think that Wagstaff did it to hide his ,,experiments" in constant so no one will make any trobule for him
Ngl I thought Webber was born in that weird pocket dimension😂
19:45 also while "helping" people, he was stealing their belongings, it's clearly seen if you look well enough
I think that you forgot Maxwells theft and debt 💀
Oh, The caretakers could be taken to court for abuse of willow.
The library Willow burns is the Albany Public Library.
mackwell is death sentenc
For Maxwell I don't think that they could prove in a court of law that dark magic caused it lol
Also Maxwell was captive and being tortured (the throne) while he was kidnapping so it could be argued that he was under duress or atleast not in his right mind -- the kidnappings and his imprisonment were also magical tho so...
10:42
You must forgoted charlie
Isn't Wagstaff stealing evidence from theatre? Yeah, the evidence would be destroyed if he didn't took it, but he never shared it.
Also, isn't Maxwell using a WMD without knowing it is one? If someone would detonate a nuke by accident not being aware they mess with a nuke would they be charged for terrorism?
Woody is guilty because we can see that he was the were beaver from the cinematic of Walter, and we don't really have evindence, it's most likely he did commit some murder.
While Willow has definitely committed crimes...if we're using modern California style law here, would she REALLY be convicted that harshly for the stuff she did in the orphanage? She was a KID! She'd get juvie! The later adult stuff, sure, but even then you could still use the insanity defense.
Yeah I'm a Willow main, but your honor, ladies and gentlemen of the jury: CHILD.
Is there any leeway for Maxwell? I mean, he clearly did it unintentionally; murder may be reduced to manslaughter, and, in all his use of the book to that point, he never seemed to experience any effects like that on the level of a massive earthquake, so, it could be argued he had no way of knowing that could be an outcome.
@@Babbleplay or that the shadows are the ones responsible for the earthquake.
The kidnappings are all on him tho.
@@Babbleplay manslaughter is actually a description of “I meant to slap him not kill him!” It’s for when the guilty guy was already aggressive, did intend to use some force but not a lethal amount. You’d be charged with it if you drove towards a guy to scare him away and accidentally hit him, but not if it was because your brakes malfunctioned.
Maxwell would either be considered under duress for all of it, or considered not guilty by reason of demonic possession.
@@Wizardsaresquishy oh, for whatever reason, I thought manslaughter also included deaths that were unintentional, but happened by careless, reckless, or clueless behavior
actually no, wortox was not born in the constant, not is he even trapped there. he's there, and continues the be there by choice. still N/A because he's a demon so...
I for one believe that mastiff could not have saved the trapped man
Wasn’t there a scrapped, Safari Hunter dude? What was his Name, and what would he be charged with?
16:20 not going to mention Warbucks? I know he was removed, but he was a character