Man I love your videos im Canadian and I love history, you are honestly one of my favorite historical youtubers, I hope you dont stop posting. Keep up the good work!
I'm an American and I love his videos too! I'm just across lake Ontario and used to see lots of Canadian aircraft at Niagara Falls National Guard base back in the 70's and 80's. The first Hornet I ever saw had the Maple leaf on it.
Canadian pilots & ground crews have a long tradition doing well in these competitions. Against not only US rivals but other NATO nations the Canadians won the Guynemer Air Gunnery trophy several years in succession during the Sabre era in Cold War Europe.
So do Canadians in other elements. I remember a war games back in 1973 or 74 between some US Marines and the Van Doos from Valcartier. The Van Doos were taking it really seriously and so many rough, tough manliest of men Marines were getting beaten, injured and otherwise hospitalized that the Americans cancelled out and called it quits. Vietnam was still going on. Makes you wonder...
@@abrahamdozer6273 The fact that service in the Canadian Military has long been voluntary & many US soldiers were drafted back in the days of Vietnam likely has something to do with it. Wanting to do a job & having to do it are different animals.
@@frostyvr9805 They're better educated, for one. At the beginning of WWII, one of my uncles taught remedial Math to Americans enlisting in the RCAF when the US was still neutral. Those all-American "college boys" didn't have the basic math needed to graduate High School in Canada (like Trigonometry). It was said by Canadian veterans that was why the USAAF bombed during the day time ... too many of them didn't have the basic skills to navigate at night.
@@erictremblay4940 Yes, every three weeks while I was on 425 AW(F) Squadron. We actually had four aircraft from Bagotville on alert there 24/7; two were on 5-minute alert and the other two on 1-hour alert.
@@lowellbutters5642 that's so cool mate. Love how you beat the Americans in their own competitions and in their own planes. Respect from your UK cousins
The coolest Canadian military jet was the CF-86 Sabre. I was just 10 years old when the Golden Hawks came to Kelowna B.C. I was on the roof of a 2 story building on Bernard Ave when a CF-86 passed over our heads so close that we could have reached out and touched it. The jet flew from West to East over Lake Okanogan and then followed along Bernard Ave at very low level. What a thrill. It scared me so badly, I ducked! Loved the screaming sound and the gold and black colors of the Golden Hawks aerobatic team of the RCAF!
I was stationed at Tyndall and assigned to the 475th Test Squadron as a Tow Systems Operator in the F-101B. I had the opportunity to support three William Tell competitions towing targets, 72, 74 & 76. If you flew in those competitions you more than likely shot at me. I remember returning from most every sortie without a target. I remember my team mates and I strolling along the ramp days before the competition started and talking with some of the aircrews and maintainers. We were always envious of the Canuck’s who had a waste can full of bear on ice right there on the flight line while they worked. They were a great bunch and I always enjoyed talking with them and painfully always had to turn down their offer for a cold one they would offer. Of course we made up for it when we partied with them at the O club’s celebration party after the meet. Those are times I’ll never forget.
Another great video. The CAF does indeed have talented pilots and always has. We in the US have always appreciated our Canadian brothers watching the northern approaches for Soviet bombers during the Cold War.
Buying these after scrapping the arrow was just insult to injury. Great video as always, enjoyed the short content on a minor topic as much as your usual videos
I think the Voodoo was a good plane and a good choice for the RCAF, but yeah, in another sense, we should never have had them, because the RCAF interceptor should've been the CF-105 ARROW. (Shakes fist at Diefenbaker's memory.)
Even though it wasn't their first choice, the CF 101B Voodoo was actually well suited to Canada's defense needs. It was fast, it had a high ceiling, it had the longest unrefueled range of any interceptor in service at the time, including the huge TU 28 Fiddler, it could carry missiles internally and it was able to integrate with the same SAGE radar tracking and intercept system used by the F 106 Delta Dart and planned for use by the CF 105 Arrow. It's cruising speed was about the same as the top speed of the CF 100 Canuck and it could stay in the air for a long time without inflight refueling even though it had that capability too. In many respects, the CF 101B was the interceptor Avro Canada should have built in the first place.
Ya you are being way too kind to the F-101 besides having some serious aerodynamic issues that prevented it from ever reaching its full potential, there were better options available at the time for Canada. The ONLY advantage the C/F-101had is it was cheap and was basically given to Canada compared to other airframes that would have required to be actually purchased sans discounts...
@@matthewq4b The F 101 had a pitch up problem due to the stabilizers being placed high on the tail, but most of the F101 pitch up losses were absorbed by the early single seat A model until a pitch up warning indicator was installed, which only partially solved the problem, so the F 101 was very much a 'fly by the book' aircraft. In Canadian service the loss rate was pretty low. Out of a total of 132 airframes acquired in two batches, 26 F 101Bs were lost to operational accidents which comes out to around a 20% loss rate spread out over 26 years or 1 loss per year average. And out of those 26 Voodoos lost, only 6 were lost due to the pitch up problem and in most cases the crew were able to eject safely which is pretty remarkable. And no there wasn't anything available at the time that fit the requirements set by the Canadian government for a supersonic interceptor which included a requirement for a crew of two and two engines which the Cf 101B had and just about every other fighter/interceptor then available didn't. The F 106, SAAB Draken and Mirage III were all single engine, single-seat fighters so they were out. The BAC Lightning had two engines but was also a single seater so that didn't fit the requirement either. The only other fighter that fit the bill at the time was the F4 Phantom II but it was still in testing when the deal for the Voodoos was made in 1959, and the USN were first in line for orders, so even if a deal for the Phantom II was struck, Canada would still have had to wait years for their first delivery, and in the wake of the Arrow's cancellation that wasn't an option. They needed something now that was a 'bird in the hand', not one in that was still in the bush . The F 101B Voodoo was the right plane for Canada, hands down.
@@MarchHare59 The Deal of the F101 was NOT finalized in 59 it was offered up in 58 deal started in 59 and not finalized and signed till mid 61 The F4 was already being delivered before the deal for the F101's was even signed. Furthermore the dual engine requirement was not a make or break requirement it was just preferred as the F-104. The F-105 or possibly the F-106 equipped with the Iroquois instead of the J75 was originally the desired option, Both of which were available in twin-seat configuration, but the F 101 was offered up for basically nothing and the Orenda equipped F-105 costing almost twice what the F-101 was offred for was a not go for the feds. The F101 was the least capable of the century series aircraft and in part why it was offered up for almost nothing to Canada. This was done to make space for and to increase F4 orders. The bottom is line there were better choices than the F-101 and the ONLY reason the RCAF ended up with them is cause the Americans almost gave them away. No other nation used them in numbers, Heck they gave half a dozen or so to Taiwan and they did not really want them even if they were free. Instead, they opted to buy used and I belive new F-104's.
@@matthewq4b First of all, the worst Century series fighter was the F 102 Delta Dagger, followed closely by the F 101A, but the F 101B was a different animal entirely redesigned from a cannon equipped escort fighter or unarmed reconnaissance platform to a long-range interceptor, a role that the the B model Voodoo was very well suited. The 101B came about because the F 102 was deemed all but useless as an interceptor and the F 106 (or F 102B depending on the year) wasn't ready yet. The USAF wasn't happy with the decision to buy the 101B, not because the plane was lacking but because the Voodoo B model was expensive and used a crew of two which, in Air Force terms, meant two pilots had to fly it which the "Fighter Mafia" thought was a waste. Unlike the Navy, the USAF didn't have a dedicated weapon system officer category like the Navy had. Phantom IIs (Specters as the Air Force tried to call them but that name never stuck) over Vietnam had two pilots in the cockpit with a second stick installed in the back seat. The deal for the CF 101Bs for Canada didn't get serious until 1959 AFTER the Arrow was cancelled. President Eisenhower was very involved in helping Canada with the Arrow but when he recognized the plane was having problems he made a number of proposals that were more trial-balloon than substantive. Eisenhower proposed buying the Arrow before testing was finished but Diefenbaker recognized that the deal was a form of charity and he didn't want Canada to be beholden to the U.S. so he turned Eisenhower down. The same went with a deal where Eisenhower offered to give Canada brand new F101Bs for free, but again Diefenbaker refused because he wanted to maintain Canadian independence and didn't want the world to think Canada was a satellite of the U.S. military. Another deal was Canada would buy the F101B at full price but Eisenhower would in turn buy over 100 CL-44 transports which both the USAF and Ontario/ Avro Canada spiked: the former because the CL-44 was still in development and inferior the USAF C 133 Cargomaster which had been flying since 1956 and the latter because the CL 44 was being built in Quebec by Canadair and Ontario didn't want their loss to be Quebec's gain. So in the end, Eisenhower and Diefenbaker played a little shell-game where the USAF payed full price for 66 F101Bs and painted them in USAF markings and then passed those planes to the RCAF in 1961 as 'second hand' in trade for Canada manning and maintaining the Pine Tree radar stations. The deal was 'officially' finalized in 1961, but the 56 F 101Bs and 10 F101Fs were earmarked for Canada even before they rolled off the assembly line in 1959, which was one year before the first F4 Phantom IIs entered service in 1960 with the USN. I never heard of any plan to re-engine the F 106 or the F 105, (the latter which was not and never was an interceptor and incapable of integrating with SAGE even if it was) with the Orenda Iroquois because the Iroquois was cancelled before the Arrow and no such deal was needed or even would have been contemplated since the Arrow was still at least nominally alive when the Iroquois was cancelled. The Iroquois was still a prototype in testing and Orenda was never able to solve a chronic problem with the titanium turbine blades cracking and sending shards into the engine. A mark II version of the Iroquois was produced with solid instead of hollow fan blades but the cracking problem persisted and that became a primary reason for the the Iroquois' cancellation. The F 104 could not be equipped with the Iroquois or even the J 75 for that matter. The Starfighter used the much slimmer J-79 also used in the F4 Phantom II. Canada's CF 104s were built new by Canadair, along with CF-5s for use as fighter/bombers over Europe as Canada's contribution to NATO. The Canadian Starfighters weren't used as interceptors over Canadian airspace, at least while there were active Canadian squadrons overseas. There wasn't a twin-seat version of the F 105 produced until the late 60s during the Vietnam war, and the twin-seat F 106B was strictly a trainer. there wasn't anything in the back seat to operate radar or weapons. The Arrow had a similar problem since it used the same MA-1 air intercept radar as the 106, making the back-seater of the Arrow not much more than company for the pilot. But since there never was a functioning back seat in the Arrow prototypes, or avionics installed in any of those planes, the redundancy of the second crewman never became an issue, but the Canadian government did insist that the Arrow have two seats even though that wasted cockpit space could have been used for something more useful like extra fuel. The MA-1 was operated by the pilot and the 106 was a single-seater. Period.
@MarchHare59 Wow you really do have no clue what you are talking about. First off the F102 is just an F106 with the J57 instead of the J75 also the F102 had some aerodynamic issues that were sorted long before serial production. The F102 outlived the F101 in USAF service and at least seen multiple foreign users. Furthermore, the F106B was a twin-seat aircraft typically used for training that was fully combating capable and was in part developed in the event the RCAF went that route. Additionally, The F105 and ALL US combat air had to have the capability built in to have SAGE integrated into the communication suite as part of the US's domestic air defense program. Several F105's were equipped with SAGE for domestic combat training exercises. Also the Twin seat F105 was designed in the 1950's in the event, the USAF needed a twin-seat variant.. Which they eventually did order with the F105F, and being delivered between 63- and early 65. And NOT during the Vietnam war in the late 60's. Again you clearly do not have NO idea of what you are talking about. The F105 was fully capable of interception if required, it was faster than the F101 had a better radar and electronic suite, and had a longer potential range The Americans demonstrated this repeatedly in joint USAF RCAF combat exercise events. The F 105 was for more capable aircraft than the F 101 was, that might be why in USAF service it outlived the CF101. Again if you had half a clue what you were talking about you would know this. The deal for the F101 was NOT even fully agreed on till early 61. This was NOT a given. The F101's the RCAF received came directly from USAF stocks they were NOT set aside on the assembly line. Check the USAF registration numbers of the units the RCAF got and you can see their service histories and they were anything but new with most of the units having between 400 and 750 hrs on the airframes with a couple over 1000. Again you have no clue. Nice try at the BS and lies you but you just got exposed. So either you are a clueless moron wannabe or a pathological liar. Regardless you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
I just came from The Canadian National War Museum. Where Cf 101 Voodoo 101002 famous in the alouette sqn Voodoo and Russian Bear bomber intercept photo. I'm still not a fan of the voodoos but am proud to say I was an airman I what I believe is the best airforce. The RCAF.
I remember as a young man watching all these Aircraft taking off from the Flightline at Tyndall AFB for William Tell. I remember the F101,F102,F106 and the F4's then I remember the QF102's which were the drones. I grew up as a Military Brat and was privileged to see these aircraft in action and I remember them flying over my home at CFB Goose Bay back in 1972-75 when my Father was stationed there from there we went back to Tyndall and then off to Germany a couple years later. Thanks for the memories !!
I was stationed at Tyndall Air Force Base from 1978-82 and assigned to the F-101B Voodoo flight simulator; my father-in-law worked in the Special Devices Branch shop and stuck funny parts on the F-101B Voodoo that was used as a flying test bed for improvements in the Convair F-106 delta dart interceptor's mission, among other projects. That particular 101 was later sold to the Canada Air Force, which painted it black and named it the "Electric Voodoo".
Great video... Dark Skies released one on the Arrow last week so timing is interesting as there was a lot of discussion about replacing the Arrow with Bomarks and Voodoos. Great to see how well the Voodoo stood up against the US and AFAIK our pilots have always been top notch. Too bad the Arrow never got the luxury of a full development and the green light to mass production.
Perhaps you could comment on cf101 performance at maple leaf excercises in 1982 I believe it was? I’m not well versed on the topic but I seem to remember hearing anerican 4th gen aircraft having their way with the Canadian voodoos
Well I know that at some point they went down to Red Flag or something and brought the Electric Voodoo... so vs the new F-15s trying to defend the bombers, they fired and the F-15 guys were shocked to find out they had been nuked. next sortie, they sent the EF-101 ahead at full speed who jammed them all and the CF-101s were able to score some more bomber kills. I think in the end 425 sqn had put in a french guy in each airplane so they could covertly communicate over the open comms.. they convinced the F-111s that they were the AWACS and led them into a valley where they get 'killed' Back then.. if you werent cheatin, you werent tryin. I'd have to ask my dad again for the full details.. he was a scope wizard for a while.
I never heard that about the Voodoos losing in '82 like that. But in 1996 the RCAF won the William Tell Air to Air Weapons Meet at Hill AFB in Florida. They had one team of CF-18 Hornets against several USAF F-15 and F-16 teams and came out on top. One of the RCAF pilots won Top Gun at the meet as well.
I mean at that point are you surprised the F-101 was built in 1954 the earliest 4th gen fighter jet was the F-14 built in 1970 so it doesn’t really surprise me
Great vid as always. Although i'm not Canadian, I love history and you are honestly one of my favorite historical youtubers, I hope you dont stop posting. Keep up the good work! (i beg your pardon Ce Toast, but you stole the words out of my mouth!)
The Sabre guys were notorious for antics at shoots in Europe. Apparently no-one could figure out why they kept winning, so the groundcrew would wrap a length of chain around the nose gear or wrap the lip on the intake in tinfoil and then watch the other countries do it too in attempts to improve performance. It was of course all in the training, but they weren't going to pass up such an opportunity.
Good short video! About your comment at the end on the effectiveness of interceptors in a real war, I would recommend reading about Operation Skyshield. A possible video topic, too!
Interesting video. A good comparison would be what the would be enemy was fielding at the time? Moving ahead and price aside instead of the Hornet the F-15 Eagle for Canada would have been the better option. This is coming from experience. I have spent a lot of time around the CF-18 Hornet. Great plane but compared to the F-15. As for the Voodoo there is a reason we moved on..
I mean price and upkeep hours the f-18 is a better bang for buck at the time. From what I remember we were offered f-14 after the Iranian Revolution because the but it would be the same problem. Not to mention that there was no way the us was selling f-15 to Canada in the 70s
Canada needed a multirole fighter. Air too Air and Air too Ground. I think that was why the CF-18 was chosen. I don’t know that the F-15 was considered
@@samgeorge4798 Yes both the F-14 and F-15 were considered. The F-15 even went so far to have a maple leaf put on one. The F-16 was looked at but Canada needed 2 engines. The Tomcat would have been a Maintanance nightmare. Again the Hornet is great, but Canada needs a fighter to get up quick and meet a threat. The Eagle would have been the choice. Even to this day. Oh well.
@@inclusivemodeldesigns16 I whole heartedly agree on the opinion. Canadian fighters are first and foremost introcepters. Though outside of Russia and the mig 31 those type of planes are not made anymore. But man do I wish we could have seen a swing wing Canadian introcepter.
I remember watching one of these competitions on TV in Canada. I think it was as ABC feed. I remember because one of the Canadian planes had a complete miss.
I'm definitely not buying that. The RCAF won the Top Gun title at William Tell in 1996. That was CF-18 Hornets vs. the best F-15 Strike Eagle and F-16 Fighting Falcons from every air combat squadron in the USAF and Air National Guard. The RCAF is world renowned for excellence in fighter combat even with older jets. Read Chuck Yeager's bio sometime and how well he regarded the RCAF fighter pilots he went up against in jets over Europe in air to air competitions between the USAF and the RCAF. He wrote and I quote "Them Canadian boys waxed our asses pretty good."
i am really stunned lol ok hold on they say that these competitions were causing burn out on pilots ? come on is anyone buying that ? I'm sure these pilots relished these competitions
I did not know that the voodoo was any good, I did not know that the cf-5 was so terrible, I did not know that the Argus was best in class, I did not know that we had won the top gun so many times. It's weird to say that I am always prouder and prouder of our illustrious history and angrier and angrier At the Leftist hippies that educate the children of Canada and Civil servants that mismanage everything at double the cost to the downfall of Canada. All your Content is top shelf. Thank you.
@@Another-Address -- we borrowed nukes from the USA. We only had them for a few years and have none now. Our nuclear plants only are used for power and the nuclear medicine used in cancer treatments. I’m not sure about black outs since we basically only have problems during storms when lines go down. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
@@duanepigden1337 the Voodoo could carry the Genie air to air nuke missile, the idea was that the Voodoo would intercept the Russian bombers and release the Genie, the nuclear blast would take down the whole squadron of Russians. Canada also had nukes in Germany, the role was to deliver a theatre sized nuke from our CF-104 Starfighters
@@mikemill7115 We even had some Génie missiles in Val d'Or. The storage area was designated "US territory" and garded by two US soldiers. This way, our politicians could pretend there were no nukes in Canada...
Just winning the competition was a deterrent. You know the Russians were aware of the results, and therefore understood the skilled Canadians were on the job with very capable equipment.
You mean nobody told you guys? The US Air Force allowed the Canadians to win this interceptor competition. It helped in the role of deterrence. It made the Soviets believe that their bombers had a good chance of being shot down before reaching the United States. It worked.
funny growing up and hearing USAF pilots denigrate Canadians was infrequent . I remember one US pilot doing so and his commanding officer tearing a strip off of him publicly telling him " YOU DON'T EVEN APPEAR ON THEIR RADAR> YOU HAVE NO CLUE HOW MUCH BETTER PROFFESIONAL PILOTS ARE COMPAREED TO DRAFTEE'S" HE HAD A GOOD POINT.
The Voodoo carried Douglas AIR-2 Genie rockets, armed with a 1.5KT nuclear warhead and Hughes AIM-4 Falcon missiles, typically armed with a 7.6lb HE warhead. Both were ~Mach 3 weapons and relatively short-ranged (about 6 miles).
The F-101 Voodoo, it's aircrew & groundcrew would of definitely been up to the task. However the AIM-4 Falcon missle would have been suspect. Used by F4 Phantoms over North Vietnam they were notoriously unreliable.
Seems to me that it's entirely likely the obvious mastery of the RCAF pilots / airmen at their craft had a deterring effect of notable heft! Thank You very much (from kommiefornia, USA)
Knowing about the Genie's nuclear air to air capability I wonder how that would change Russian bomber formations. And did Canada possess the nuke Genie?
@@bradyelich2745 Not quite. The weapons were under the control of the USAF 425th Munitions Support Squadron and were kept at each Canadian Forces Base that operated the Voodoo.
@@martkbanjoboy8853 AND from 1962 to 1971, Canadian CF-104 squadrons in Europe were equipped with B28, B43, and B57 nuclear weapons, under US control but carried by Canadian aircraft in the event of war.
Canada made good interceptors during 1950s, the performances of CF100 and the CF105 Arrow were excellent 👍 🦸♂️ ! The F101 was not impressive unless you are keen to launch a nuclear rocket at Soviet long range bombers! In 1960s two RF101s of Taiwan(Chinese Nationalist Party) were shot down by MiG 19 of Chinese Communist, the Voodoo was easy to be intercepted as they were not flying fast! The CF105 was massive and certainly out performing the CF101,CF104 both in climbing rate and range! It was definitely a strange thing Canada gave up their finest and chosen US planes! AVRO Canada was gone forever! 😰😭
What are you talking about if your inferring the F-101B was slow your wrong. The Taiwan F-101 shot down in 1965 by a mig 17 was surprised and taken by an attack from its 9 O’clock firing canon in front of the 101 and shot it down as the 101 flew through the fusillade of fire and lack of speed was not a factor.
It’s June 2023. There is the beginning of analysis that says we are in world war three now. This fighter jet was not involved in any aspect of it were safe till now. Must’ve done this job.
looks like the f35 mistake has happened but I am hopeful only 48 will be ordered for European use and 48 Gripens will also be purchased for air defense . Politicians don't usually make these decisions in Canada . Much as the RCN decided on the CSC, the RCAF should have made the fighter decision
Not taking away from our air and ground crews (who did awesomely with an outdated airplane), I just can't help but wonder if our government at the time of purchase, bought F-4 Phantoms rather than spent money on F-101's, F-104's, F-5's and retired the F-100's. IMHO, the combined prices of all these jets would have paid for F-4's and we would have had a damned good jet doing all the roles until we got the Hornets.
@@alpearson9158 All three fighters were available at the same time. Again, they could have bought F-4 Phantoms that could have done everything the other 2 jets were doing (and in the case of the F-104 doing ground attack, which it was never designed for) and better.
No, the US flew very few Voodoos before they got rid of them. Voodoo pilots didn't have to be accurate, it was about letting a missile go towards a fleet of Russian bombers. They would never have to face a MIG over Canada, the Russians could only put bombers over Canada
Yes, the RF-101s were the backbone of Photo Reconnaissance in North Vietnam in the 60s. Even when the RF-4Cs came on line, they were not used extensively initially because the RF-101 didn't need aerial refueling for a north mission pack whereas the RF-4s did, to an already stretched aerial refueling program. Once the bombing halt came in 1968, the RF-4s could more easily get a top up, and the RF-101 airframes were totally worn out.
The competition was too stressful so they stopped?!?! Aren't competitions like this something pilots live for? This seems like a weak budgetary excuse IMO.
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Man I love your videos im Canadian and I love history, you are honestly one of my favorite historical youtubers, I hope you dont stop posting. Keep up the good work!
I'm an American and I love his videos too! I'm just across lake Ontario and used to see lots of Canadian aircraft at Niagara Falls National Guard base back in the 70's and 80's. The first Hornet I ever saw had the Maple leaf on it.
I couldn’t agree more. Great reporting! I was an ATC at CYBG in those years. Excellent Channel!
Canadian pilots & ground crews have a long tradition doing well in these competitions. Against not only US rivals but other NATO nations the Canadians won the Guynemer Air Gunnery trophy several years in succession during the Sabre era in Cold War Europe.
So do Canadians in other elements. I remember a war games back in 1973 or 74 between some US Marines and the Van Doos from Valcartier. The Van Doos were taking it really seriously and so many rough, tough manliest of men Marines were getting beaten, injured and otherwise hospitalized that the Americans cancelled out and called it quits. Vietnam was still going on. Makes you wonder...
@@abrahamdozer6273 The fact that service in the Canadian Military has long been voluntary & many US soldiers were drafted back in the days of Vietnam likely has something to do with it. Wanting to do a job & having to do it are different animals.
@@abrahamdozer6273 also all-Canadian units serving in the USMC in vietnam were famously effective
@@frostyvr9805 They're better educated, for one. At the beginning of WWII, one of my uncles taught remedial Math to Americans enlisting in the RCAF when the US was still neutral. Those all-American "college boys" didn't have the basic math needed to graduate High School in Canada (like Trigonometry). It was said by Canadian veterans that was why the USAAF bombed during the day time ... too many of them didn't have the basic skills to navigate at night.
A great video. Brings back memories. Over 2,000 hours on the jet and loved every minute of it. Was in the William Tell 72 competition.
Wow, have you ever been in TD in Val d'Or?
They allways had two F101 there, on rotations.
@@erictremblay4940 Yes, every three weeks while I was on 425 AW(F) Squadron. We actually had four aircraft from Bagotville on alert there 24/7; two were on 5-minute alert and the other two on 1-hour alert.
@@lowellbutters5642 that's so cool mate. Love how you beat the Americans in their own competitions and in their own planes. Respect from your UK cousins
You’re THE Lowell Butters! Mad respect, sir!
Woohoooooooooo! A new polyus video!
The coolest Canadian military jet was the CF-86 Sabre. I was just 10 years old when the Golden Hawks came to Kelowna B.C. I was on the roof of a 2 story building on Bernard Ave when a CF-86 passed over our heads so close that we could have reached out and touched it. The jet flew from West to East over Lake Okanogan and then followed along Bernard Ave at very low level. What a thrill. It scared me so badly, I ducked! Loved the screaming sound and the gold and black colors of the Golden Hawks aerobatic team of the RCAF!
Ahem,, get real, ,starfighter phreak here.
My dad [ 409 sqd. Comox ], now 86 years old participated in that award winning William Tell competition.
I like your videos because you are a great story teller. You pack a lot of information with great detail, and I love your music.
Glad you like them!
Excellent as always Polyus! thank you
I was stationed at Tyndall and assigned to the 475th Test Squadron as a Tow Systems Operator in the F-101B. I had the opportunity to support three William Tell competitions towing targets, 72, 74 & 76. If you flew in those competitions you more than likely shot at me. I remember returning from most every sortie without a target. I remember my team mates and I strolling along the ramp days before the competition started and talking with some of the aircrews and maintainers. We were always envious of the Canuck’s who had a waste can full of bear on ice right there on the flight line while they worked. They were a great bunch and I always enjoyed talking with them and painfully always had to turn down their offer for a cold one they would offer. Of course we made up for it when we partied with them at the O club’s celebration party after the meet. Those are times I’ll never forget.
Excellent! I remember air shows featuring the Voodoo back in the day. They were LOUD!!
CF-101 looks like an ancient ancestor to the F-4
That's because it was, albeit only by a few years.
The F-101 and F3H truly were the precoursors to the F-4
Not-so-ancient father, and the F-3 Demon was its mother
@@TRUEBLUEGOBLUE ok
That's because they were both originally designed by McDonnell Douglas corporation
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Another great video. The CAF does indeed have talented pilots and always has. We in the US have always appreciated our Canadian brothers watching the northern approaches for Soviet bombers during the Cold War.
My uncle flew these and my grandfather was in the original 425 Bomber Squadron, "The Alluettes" during WWII.
Buying these after scrapping the arrow was just insult to injury. Great video as always, enjoyed the short content on a minor topic as much as your usual videos
Voodoos worked.
Arrows never had the opportunity to be disappointing.
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Well stated.
I think the Voodoo was a good plane and a good choice for the RCAF, but yeah, in another sense, we should never have had them, because the RCAF interceptor should've been the CF-105 ARROW. (Shakes fist at Diefenbaker's memory.)
@@rallymodeller and mores the pity
Even though it wasn't their first choice, the CF 101B Voodoo was actually well suited to Canada's defense needs. It was fast, it had a high ceiling, it had the longest unrefueled range of any interceptor in service at the time, including the huge TU 28 Fiddler, it could carry missiles internally and it was able to integrate with the same SAGE radar tracking and intercept system used by the F 106 Delta Dart and planned for use by the CF 105 Arrow. It's cruising speed was about the same as the top speed of the CF 100 Canuck and it could stay in the air for a long time without inflight refueling even though it had that capability too. In many respects, the CF 101B was the interceptor Avro Canada should have built in the first place.
Ya you are being way too kind to the F-101 besides having some serious aerodynamic issues that prevented it from ever reaching its full potential, there were better options available at the time for Canada. The ONLY advantage the C/F-101had is it was cheap and was basically given to Canada compared to other airframes that would have required to be actually purchased sans discounts...
@@matthewq4b The F 101 had a pitch up problem due to the stabilizers being placed high on the tail, but most of the F101 pitch up losses were absorbed by the early single seat A model until a pitch up warning indicator was installed, which only partially solved the problem, so the F 101 was very much a 'fly by the book' aircraft. In Canadian service the loss rate was pretty low. Out of a total of 132 airframes acquired in two batches, 26 F 101Bs were lost to operational accidents which comes out to around a 20% loss rate spread out over 26 years or 1 loss per year average. And out of those 26 Voodoos lost, only 6 were lost due to the pitch up problem and in most cases the crew were able to eject safely which is pretty remarkable. And no there wasn't anything available at the time that fit the requirements set by the Canadian government for a supersonic interceptor which included a requirement for a crew of two and two engines which the Cf 101B had and just about every other fighter/interceptor then available didn't. The F 106, SAAB Draken and Mirage III were all single engine, single-seat fighters so they were out. The BAC Lightning had two engines but was also a single seater so that didn't fit the requirement either. The only other fighter that fit the bill at the time was the F4 Phantom II but it was still in testing when the deal for the Voodoos was made in 1959, and the USN were first in line for orders, so even if a deal for the Phantom II was struck, Canada would still have had to wait years for their first delivery, and in the wake of the Arrow's cancellation that wasn't an option. They needed something now that was a 'bird in the hand', not one in that was still in the bush . The F 101B Voodoo was the right plane for Canada, hands down.
@@MarchHare59 The Deal of the F101 was NOT finalized in 59 it was offered up in 58 deal started in 59 and not finalized and signed till mid 61
The F4 was already being delivered before the deal for the F101's was even signed. Furthermore the dual engine requirement was not a make or break requirement it was just preferred as the F-104. The F-105 or possibly the F-106 equipped with the Iroquois instead of the J75 was originally the desired option, Both of which were available in twin-seat configuration, but the F 101 was offered up for basically nothing and the Orenda equipped F-105 costing almost twice what the F-101 was offred for was a not go for the feds.
The F101 was the least capable of the century series aircraft and in part why it was offered up for almost nothing to Canada. This was done to make space for and to increase F4 orders.
The bottom is line there were better choices than the F-101 and the ONLY reason the RCAF ended up with them is cause the Americans almost gave them away. No other nation used them in numbers, Heck they gave half a dozen or so to Taiwan and they did not really want them even if they were free. Instead, they opted to buy used and I belive new F-104's.
@@matthewq4b First of all, the worst Century series fighter was the F 102 Delta Dagger, followed closely by the F 101A, but the F 101B was a different animal entirely redesigned from a cannon equipped escort fighter or unarmed reconnaissance platform to a long-range interceptor, a role that the the B model Voodoo was very well suited. The 101B came about because the F 102 was deemed all but useless as an interceptor and the F 106 (or F 102B depending on the year) wasn't ready yet. The USAF wasn't happy with the decision to buy the 101B, not because the plane was lacking but because the Voodoo B model was expensive and used a crew of two which, in Air Force terms, meant two pilots had to fly it which the "Fighter Mafia" thought was a waste. Unlike the Navy, the USAF didn't have a dedicated weapon system officer category like the Navy had. Phantom IIs (Specters as the Air Force tried to call them but that name never stuck) over Vietnam had two pilots in the cockpit with a second stick installed in the back seat.
The deal for the CF 101Bs for Canada didn't get serious until 1959 AFTER the Arrow was cancelled. President Eisenhower was very involved in helping Canada with the Arrow but when he recognized the plane was having problems he made a number of proposals that were more trial-balloon than substantive. Eisenhower proposed buying the Arrow before testing was finished but Diefenbaker recognized that the deal was a form of charity and he didn't want Canada to be beholden to the U.S. so he turned Eisenhower down. The same went with a deal where Eisenhower offered to give Canada brand new F101Bs for free, but again Diefenbaker refused because he wanted to maintain Canadian independence and didn't want the world to think Canada was a satellite of the U.S. military. Another deal was Canada would buy the F101B at full price but Eisenhower would in turn buy over 100 CL-44 transports which both the USAF and Ontario/ Avro Canada spiked: the former because the CL-44 was still in development and inferior the USAF C 133 Cargomaster which had been flying since 1956 and the latter because the CL 44 was being built in Quebec by Canadair and Ontario didn't want their loss to be Quebec's gain. So in the end, Eisenhower and Diefenbaker played a little shell-game where the USAF payed full price for 66 F101Bs and painted them in USAF markings and then passed those planes to the RCAF in 1961 as 'second hand' in trade for Canada manning and maintaining the Pine Tree radar stations. The deal was 'officially' finalized in 1961, but the 56 F 101Bs and 10 F101Fs were earmarked for Canada even before they rolled off the assembly line in 1959, which was one year before the first F4 Phantom IIs entered service in 1960 with the USN.
I never heard of any plan to re-engine the F 106 or the F 105, (the latter which was not and never was an interceptor and incapable of integrating with SAGE even if it was) with the Orenda Iroquois because the Iroquois was cancelled before the Arrow and no such deal was needed or even would have been contemplated since the Arrow was still at least nominally alive when the Iroquois was cancelled. The Iroquois was still a prototype in testing and Orenda was never able to solve a chronic problem with the titanium turbine blades cracking and sending shards into the engine. A mark II version of the Iroquois was produced with solid instead of hollow fan blades but the cracking problem persisted and that became a primary reason for the the Iroquois' cancellation.
The F 104 could not be equipped with the Iroquois or even the J 75 for that matter. The Starfighter used the much slimmer J-79 also used in the F4 Phantom II. Canada's CF 104s were built new by Canadair, along with CF-5s for use as fighter/bombers over Europe as Canada's contribution to NATO. The Canadian Starfighters weren't used as interceptors over Canadian airspace, at least while there were active Canadian squadrons overseas.
There wasn't a twin-seat version of the F 105 produced until the late 60s during the Vietnam war, and the twin-seat F 106B was strictly a trainer. there wasn't anything in the back seat to operate radar or weapons. The Arrow had a similar problem since it used the same MA-1 air intercept radar as the 106, making the back-seater of the Arrow not much more than company for the pilot. But since there never was a functioning back seat in the Arrow prototypes, or avionics installed in any of those planes, the redundancy of the second crewman never became an issue, but the Canadian government did insist that the Arrow have two seats even though that wasted cockpit space could have been used for something more useful like extra fuel. The MA-1 was operated by the pilot and the 106 was a single-seater. Period.
@MarchHare59 Wow you really do have no clue what you are talking about.
First off the F102 is just an F106 with the J57 instead of the J75 also the F102 had some aerodynamic issues that were sorted long before serial production.
The F102 outlived the F101 in USAF service and at least seen multiple foreign users.
Furthermore, the F106B was a twin-seat aircraft typically used for training that was fully combating capable and was in part developed in the event the RCAF went that route.
Additionally, The F105 and ALL US combat air had to have the capability built in to have SAGE integrated into the communication suite as part of the US's domestic air defense program. Several F105's were equipped with SAGE for domestic combat training exercises.
Also the Twin seat F105 was designed in
the 1950's in the event, the USAF needed a twin-seat variant.. Which they eventually did order with the F105F, and being delivered between 63- and early 65.
And NOT during the Vietnam war in the late 60's. Again you clearly do not have NO idea of what you are talking about.
The F105 was fully capable of interception if required, it was faster than the F101 had a better radar and electronic suite, and had a longer potential range The Americans demonstrated this repeatedly in joint USAF RCAF combat exercise events.
The F 105 was for more capable aircraft than the F 101 was, that might be why in USAF service it outlived the CF101.
Again if you had half a clue what you were talking about you would know this.
The deal for the F101 was NOT even fully agreed on till early 61. This was NOT a given. The F101's the RCAF received came directly from USAF stocks they were NOT set aside on the assembly line. Check the USAF registration numbers of the units the RCAF got and you can see their service histories and they were anything but new with most of the units having between 400 and 750 hrs on the airframes with a couple over 1000. Again you have no clue.
Nice try at the BS and lies you but you
just got exposed. So either you are a clueless moron wannabe or a pathological liar. Regardless you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
I just came from The Canadian National War Museum. Where Cf 101 Voodoo 101002 famous in the alouette sqn Voodoo and Russian Bear bomber intercept photo.
I'm still not a fan of the voodoos but am proud to say I was an airman I what I believe is the best airforce. The RCAF.
I remember as a young man watching all these Aircraft taking off from the Flightline at Tyndall AFB for William Tell. I remember the F101,F102,F106 and the F4's then I remember the QF102's which were the drones. I grew up as a Military Brat and was privileged to see these aircraft in action and I remember them flying over my home at CFB Goose Bay back in 1972-75 when my Father was stationed there from there we went back to Tyndall and then off to Germany a couple years later. Thanks for the memories !!
I was stationed at Tyndall Air Force Base from 1978-82 and assigned to the F-101B Voodoo flight simulator; my father-in-law worked in the Special Devices Branch shop and stuck funny parts on the F-101B Voodoo that was used as a flying test bed for improvements in the Convair F-106 delta dart interceptor's mission, among other projects. That particular 101 was later sold to the Canada Air Force, which painted it black and named it the "Electric Voodoo".
One of my earliest memories is being a little kid in the 70's watching my uncle fly his Voodoo at the Namao airshow.
Great video... Dark Skies released one on the Arrow last week so timing is interesting as there was a lot of discussion about replacing the Arrow with Bomarks and Voodoos. Great to see how well the Voodoo stood up against the US and AFAIK our pilots have always been top notch. Too bad the Arrow never got the luxury of a full development and the green light to mass production.
Perhaps you could comment on cf101 performance at maple leaf excercises in 1982 I believe it was? I’m not well versed on the topic but I seem to remember hearing anerican 4th gen aircraft having their way with the Canadian voodoos
Well I know that at some point they went down to Red Flag or something and brought the Electric Voodoo... so vs the new F-15s trying to defend the bombers, they fired and the F-15 guys were shocked to find out they had been nuked. next sortie, they sent the EF-101 ahead at full speed who jammed them all and the CF-101s were able to score some more bomber kills. I think in the end 425 sqn had put in a french guy in each airplane so they could covertly communicate over the open comms.. they convinced the F-111s that they were the AWACS and led them into a valley where they get 'killed' Back then.. if you werent cheatin, you werent tryin. I'd have to ask my dad again for the full details.. he was a scope wizard for a while.
I never heard that about the Voodoos losing in '82 like that. But in 1996 the RCAF won the William Tell Air to Air Weapons Meet at Hill AFB in Florida. They had one team of CF-18 Hornets against several USAF F-15 and F-16 teams and came out on top. One of the RCAF pilots won Top Gun at the meet as well.
I mean at that point are you surprised the F-101 was built in 1954 the earliest 4th gen fighter jet was the F-14 built in 1970 so it doesn’t really surprise me
There is an F 101 VOODOO at the entrance to Spirit of St. Louis Airport.
Those planes were GINORMOUS!
Thumbs up from your latest subscriber. CA, AU, NZ and GB. Stronger together.
More Canadians should watch these videos. They show how good our military is dispite sometimes having old equipment.
The CF-18 is older now than the Voodoo was when we retired them.
True, but not by much, and the
CF18 is a much more capable fighter than the Voodoo.
As always, top notch video!
A real life Top Gun, with Canadians too boot. I had no idea, thanks yet again!
Great vid as always. Although i'm not Canadian, I love history and you are honestly one of my favorite historical youtubers, I hope you dont stop posting. Keep up the good work! (i beg your pardon Ce Toast, but you stole the words out of my mouth!)
As always, a great presentation. Love the old Voodoo footage.
Glad you enjoyed it
Polyus , will be joining your pateon such great historical content.
Your videos are great! Thank you for creating and posting them.
Yess a new video
The Sabre guys were notorious for antics at shoots in Europe. Apparently no-one could figure out why they kept winning, so the groundcrew would wrap a length of chain around the nose gear or wrap the lip on the intake in tinfoil and then watch the other countries do it too in attempts to improve performance. It was of course all in the training, but they weren't going to pass up such an opportunity.
Great presentation
Good short video! About your comment at the end on the effectiveness of interceptors in a real war, I would recommend reading about Operation Skyshield. A possible video topic, too!
for the algorithm
I love that you don't pointlessly stretch out your videos to hit length targets. Props to you
Interesting video. A good comparison would be what the would be enemy was fielding at the time? Moving ahead and price aside instead of the Hornet the F-15 Eagle for Canada would have been the better option. This is coming from experience. I have spent a lot of time around the CF-18 Hornet. Great plane but compared to the F-15. As for the Voodoo there is a reason we moved on..
I mean price and upkeep hours the f-18 is a better bang for buck at the time. From what I remember we were offered f-14 after the Iranian Revolution because the but it would be the same problem. Not to mention that there was no way the us was selling f-15 to Canada in the 70s
Canada needed a multirole fighter. Air too Air and Air too Ground. I think that was why the CF-18 was chosen. I don’t know that the F-15 was considered
@@samgeorge4798 Yes both the F-14 and F-15 were considered. The F-15 even went so far to have a maple leaf put on one. The F-16 was looked at but Canada needed 2 engines. The Tomcat would have been a Maintanance nightmare. Again the Hornet is great, but Canada needs a fighter to get up quick and meet a threat. The Eagle would have been the choice. Even to this day. Oh well.
@@Idahoguy10157 2 engines was also priority.
@@inclusivemodeldesigns16 I whole heartedly agree on the opinion. Canadian fighters are first and foremost introcepters. Though outside of Russia and the mig 31 those type of planes are not made anymore. But man do I wish we could have seen a swing wing Canadian introcepter.
I remember watching one of these competitions on TV in Canada. I think it was as ABC feed. I remember because one of the Canadian planes had a complete miss.
I'm definitely not buying that. The RCAF won the Top Gun title at William Tell in 1996. That was CF-18 Hornets vs. the best F-15 Strike Eagle and F-16 Fighting Falcons from every air combat squadron in the USAF and Air National Guard. The RCAF is world renowned for excellence in fighter combat even with older jets. Read Chuck Yeager's bio sometime and how well he regarded the RCAF fighter pilots he went up against in jets over Europe in air to air competitions between the USAF and the RCAF. He wrote and I quote "Them Canadian boys waxed our asses pretty good."
The Voodoo was perfectly suited to the needs of the RCAF in the 1960s and 70s. Range was essential and the One-oh-Wonder had long legs.
Was the voodoo the coolest looking jet fighter ever? Maybe 2nd to the F-14…
3:33 409 Comox Sqn??? think you meant Nighthawk sqn from Comox, still love your vids, that comment just caught my attention that's all, keep em coming
Oh Canada!
Great Video. thanks
i am really stunned lol
ok hold on they say that these competitions were causing burn out on pilots ? come on is anyone buying that ? I'm sure these pilots relished these competitions
I did not know that the voodoo was any good, I did not know that the cf-5 was so terrible, I did not know that the Argus was best in class, I did not know that we had won the top gun so many times. It's weird to say that I am always prouder and prouder of our illustrious history and angrier and angrier At the Leftist hippies that educate the children of Canada and Civil servants that mismanage everything at double the cost to the downfall of Canada. All your Content is top shelf. Thank you.
I was stationed on a voodoo base. We had nukes. You don’t have to be too accurate with them against bombers.
@@Another-Address -- we borrowed nukes from the USA. We only had them for a few years and have none now. Our nuclear plants only are used for power and the nuclear medicine used in cancer treatments. I’m not sure about black outs since we basically only have problems during storms when lines go down. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
@@duanepigden1337 the Voodoo could carry the Genie air to air nuke missile, the idea was that the Voodoo would intercept the Russian bombers and release the Genie, the nuclear blast would take down the whole squadron of Russians.
Canada also had nukes in Germany, the role was to deliver a theatre sized nuke from our CF-104 Starfighters
@@mikemill7115
We even had some Génie missiles in Val d'Or.
The storage area was designated "US territory" and garded by two US soldiers.
This way, our politicians could pretend there were no nukes in Canada...
Just found ur channel. Definitely earned a sub
Another Aircraft F18 could never replace.
Just winning the competition was a deterrent. You know the Russians were aware of the results, and therefore understood the skilled Canadians were on the job with very capable equipment.
Don't mess with the Voodoo!!
You mean nobody told you guys? The US Air Force allowed the Canadians to win this interceptor competition. It helped in the role of deterrence. It made the Soviets believe that their bombers had a good chance of being shot down before reaching the United States. It worked.
GFY
funny growing up and hearing USAF pilots denigrate Canadians was infrequent . I remember one US pilot doing so and his commanding officer tearing a strip off of him publicly telling him " YOU DON'T EVEN APPEAR ON THEIR RADAR> YOU HAVE NO CLUE HOW MUCH BETTER PROFFESIONAL PILOTS ARE COMPAREED TO DRAFTEE'S" HE HAD A GOOD POINT.
Cf-101 Voodoo... The Canadian Top-Gun
@Polyus Studios Which missiles are those Voodoos firing? They don't look like sidewinders. Are they indigenous Canadian designs?
The Voodoo carried Douglas AIR-2 Genie rockets, armed with a 1.5KT nuclear warhead and Hughes AIM-4 Falcon missiles, typically armed with a 7.6lb HE warhead.
Both were ~Mach 3 weapons and relatively short-ranged (about 6 miles).
The F-101 Voodoo, it's aircrew & groundcrew would of definitely been up to the task. However the AIM-4 Falcon missle would have been suspect. Used by F4 Phantoms over North Vietnam they were notoriously unreliable.
RCAF, never so few, have done so much, with so little. True_Dough, must go !!
I do know good will always defeat evil
Seems to me that it's entirely likely the obvious mastery of the RCAF pilots / airmen at their craft had a deterring effect of notable heft!
Thank You very much (from kommiefornia, USA)
Knowing about the Genie's nuclear air to air capability I wonder how that would change Russian bomber formations. And did Canada possess the nuke Genie?
Canada never possessed any nuclear weapons.
@@polyus_studios The land that these weapons sat on was deemed US soil. I learned that from the people at Comox Museum.
@@martkbanjoboy8853
Canadian Voodoo squadrons were indeed equipped with the AIR-2 Genie from 1965 until 1984.
@@bradyelich2745
Not quite. The weapons were under the control of the USAF 425th Munitions Support Squadron and were kept at each Canadian Forces Base that operated the Voodoo.
@@martkbanjoboy8853
AND from 1962 to 1971, Canadian CF-104 squadrons in Europe were equipped with B28, B43, and B57 nuclear weapons, under US control but carried by Canadian aircraft in the event of war.
Canada made good interceptors during 1950s, the performances of CF100 and the CF105 Arrow were excellent 👍 🦸♂️ !
The F101 was not impressive unless you are keen to launch a nuclear rocket at Soviet long range bombers! In 1960s two RF101s of Taiwan(Chinese Nationalist Party) were shot down by MiG 19 of Chinese Communist, the Voodoo was easy to be intercepted as they were not flying fast! The CF105 was massive and certainly out performing the CF101,CF104 both in climbing rate and range! It was definitely a strange thing Canada gave up their finest and chosen US planes!
AVRO Canada was gone forever! 😰😭
What are you talking about if your inferring the F-101B was slow your wrong. The Taiwan F-101 shot down in 1965 by a mig 17 was surprised and taken by an attack from its 9 O’clock firing canon in front of the 101 and shot it down as the 101 flew through the fusillade of fire and lack of speed was not a factor.
It’s June 2023. There is the beginning of analysis that says we are in world war three now. This fighter jet was not involved in any aspect of it were safe till now. Must’ve done this job.
Do you have any info on the current fighter procurement competition? did it even happen or did Trudeau just write a cheque to Lockheed Martin?
looks like the f35 mistake has happened but I am hopeful only 48 will be ordered for European use and 48 Gripens will also be purchased for air defense . Politicians don't usually make these decisions in Canada . Much as the RCN decided on the CSC, the RCAF should have made the fighter decision
Not taking away from our air and ground crews (who did awesomely with an outdated airplane), I just can't help but wonder if our government at the time of purchase, bought F-4 Phantoms rather than spent money on F-101's, F-104's, F-5's and retired the F-100's. IMHO, the combined prices of all these jets would have paid for F-4's and we would have had a damned good jet doing all the roles until we got the Hornets.
well when the 104's and 101's were purchased they were a political decision based on emergency acquisition after the Arrow/Bomark screw ups
@@alpearson9158 All three fighters were available at the same time. Again, they could have bought F-4 Phantoms that could have done everything the other 2 jets were doing (and in the case of the F-104 doing ground attack, which it was never designed for) and better.
It seems that the CF-101 in Canadian hands was more successful than the American F-101 or because the Canadian pilots were better pilots, am I wrong?
No, the US flew very few Voodoos before they got rid of them. Voodoo pilots didn't have to be accurate, it was about letting a missile go towards a fleet of Russian bombers. They would never have to face a MIG over Canada, the Russians could only put bombers over Canada
@@mikemill7115 thanks for the info as I didn't realise that there was few F-101 left in service...
better trained as they were all professionals not available for a few years only as most US pilots tended to be
Like the content but the violin is distracting.
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Wrong they were in combat in Vietnam .....the F-101 and CF-101 are basically the same aircraft , just some upgrades ..
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Yes, the RF-101s were the backbone of Photo Reconnaissance in North Vietnam in the 60s. Even when the RF-4Cs came on line, they were not used extensively initially because the RF-101 didn't need aerial refueling for a north mission pack whereas the RF-4s did, to an already stretched aerial refueling program. Once the bombing halt came in 1968, the RF-4s could more easily get a top up, and the RF-101 airframes were totally worn out.
The competition was too stressful so they stopped?!?! Aren't competitions like this something pilots live for? This seems like a weak budgetary excuse IMO.
Nice job … eh?
in answer to the 2nd question.
no.
if WW3 had been initiated, there would be *no* escape.
F106