My father was on the design team at AVRO through the 50s. Straight of of engineering school he worked on CF-100 weapons systems (primarily the wingtip rocket pack, and belly pack), and then was put on the Arrow aerodynamics test models and other Arrow projects. Once the Arrow flight test program and production began he was moved on to work on what was intended to be the advanced post-Arrow unmanned interceptor. He saw the writing on the wall for the Arrow program in 1958, and left AVRO for Bristol Aerospace to do design work on the Black Brant rocket series, and sub-contracted ICBM guidance systems for Boeing. Thanks for posting this reminder of when Canada could actually accomplish things.
@andrewdunlop9930 You seem like the guy that could answer this question. At 17:15 I see a rear view of a tear drop shaped pod hanging below the cockpit so I assume that's fuel or maybe something electronic. What's odd to me is seconds later there's something with a big air intake on an off center pod also below the cockpit. It's making me nuts, what is that thing? Your dad must have had some good stories to tell, I know I miss mine.
@dicksonfranssen I've never seen that before. But it looked to me like a pod for engine flight testing, and some searching tells me that apparently that particular aircraft was used by P&W Canada to test the small fan JT15D (Wikipedia says testing was in 1967). I wonder where someone found that footage?
@@andrewdunlop9930 Thanks, that makes sense. That must have been a close call landing with the gear clearance. I know some 747's can carry an extra engine on a temporary pylon if the entire engine needs maintenance and can't be worked on where it sat but pilots hate it. We live in Milton, 30 km. out and under the glide slope into Toronto and a petition has gone around complaining about the noise. Whatever flies over is barely recognizable if it's cloudy and maybe hits 40 decibels. One day I called the 1-800 number and told the guy I wanted MORE planes, not less. He said I was the first one ever to say something nice about it. For my birthday last year my wife got me a ride on the Hamilton museum's Lancaster. Her mom packed parachutes for Lancaster crews and died just last year at 96. Have a good day.
Diefenbaker canceling the Arrow program is one of the great brain drains this country has ever seen and may have been a large factor on NASA making it to the moon.
@@hogztcp239 I don't really believe that's how it happened. It was just too big a project for Canada. The problem with killing the arrow was that it killed Avro. Avro was 10 years ahead of everyone else with VTOL technology and they were doing R&D on a supersonic passenger jet. Rather than just cancel the project the conservatives should have worked to secure contracts and or find partners. The arrow went supersonic on like it's 3rd flight. The world knew it was special. Instead they put thousands out of work and sent our best and brightest to NASA.
@@hogztcp239 That's a pretty common myth about the Arrow, but the reality was the government simply could not afford to keep writing Avro blank cheques. The project had gone well over-budget by the time Diefenbaker was elected in 1957, and between Dief's tax cuts, spending increases, and a recession, the government of Canada just couldn't justify spending so much on an aircraft whose sole job was becoming somewhat obsolete with the advent of ICBM's (not entirely obsolete, just not as pressing as other NATO countries stopped making purpose-built interceptors around the same time). The failure wasn't so much cancelling the Arrow, it was letting Avro go under and all that research, knowledge, and expertise go with it. The company could have been consolidated with de Havilland Canada or Canadair, or given licensed production of a foreign aircraft design (like Canadair was with the F-5's and F-86's).
Avro Canada's test pilot, Jan Zurakowski, demonstrated the CF100 at England's Farnborough Air Show, and had a stunning aerobatic maneuver called "The Falling Leaf" where he basically placed the Canuck into a flat spin and then recovered! It was an incredible demonstration to watch. "Zura" was an awesome "hands on" pilot from Poland, who was with the RAF in WW2 before becoming a test pilot for A.V. Roe (UK). He then went to their Canadian subsidiary, AVRO Canada as their Chief Test Pilot. Jan also was the main test pilot with the CF105 Avro Arrow program.
One thing "Zura" hated was finding loose items in his cockpit while making a test flight. Sometimes he'd return to the airfield he flew out of and would first make an inverted pass over the runway to indicate someone was going to catch hell upon landing.
Those Orenda engines are what I work on at Jet City Turbines. The Canadian Sabres were built in Canada, and used the same engines as the CF-100. We just tested one in July this year. Great footage in this video!
@@greggougeon4422 The GE J47 engine in the American Sabres makes about 5500 lbs of static thrust. We've run them in our test cell. The Orenda 14 engine in the Canadian Sabres makes about 7200 lbs of static thrust. I think the top speeds are the same, but rate of climb is improved.
Bonjour Monsieur Ponraul. I'd like to respectfully point out that, as horrible as the death toll was (more than half of the six thousand boys never came home), the goal of this mission was to "test the feasibility of a landing and to gather intelligence". So... no Dieppe, no D-Day. In that regard, my grandfathers got the job done. Je vous souhaite le meilleur.@@ponraul1221
Thank you Simon for acknowledging the Canadian contributions to the Jet age. Unfortunately the politics and policies of the time were short sighted when it came to fighter jets.
@@craigmorris4083right. Because a bumbling government and a miniscule economy didn't play any part. Canadian aerospace industry was at a disadvantage to begin with. As a Commonwealth nation, anything Canada produces has to compete with British made competition.
@@SkunkApe407 sure but alot of smaller nations built their own arms industry that now flourishes despite it would have crashed their country like naysayers say about canada aerospace industry. Being a Commonwealth doesnt make it worse in fact it made it better we were one
The Canuck was a powerhouse, and I love that you talked about it! It's a shame we lost Avro when the Arrow was cancelled (and the CF-103 was never produced as a result), but there was a time when Canada was a powerful aviation nation.
Also at the end of wwII Canada had the biggest merchant marine in the world. But it was frittered away by stupid ignorant short sited politicians. Today we can not seem to find one real leader out of 38,000,000 of the best educated people in the world.
It's a shame the way the Canadian politicians sold out their military aviation industry for Uncle Sam. Nothing against the US or it's planes- every county should want to maintain their own domestic product.
Such a great time for Canada. We were coming off the high of being major contributors to the victory of the Allies in WW2, and anything seemed possible. We even had an aircraft carrier, the HMCS Bonaventure, for a time.
Actually, the Royal Canadian Navy had two aircraft carriers in the later stages of world war 2, used mainly as "anti-submarine escort carriers", the HMCS Nabob and HMCS Puncher. After WW2, the RCN had another, larger aircraft carrier, the HMCS Magnificent, known as the "Maggie" to those who served on her. Finally the last RCN aircraft carrier was the HMCS Bonaventure, or the "Bonnie" to those who served on her. With an angled flight deck, steam catapults, and able to operate McDonnell Banshee jet aircraft. The Bonnie was decommissioned in the early 70's.
Excellent video. The last flying “Canuck” was S/N 760 which flew with Pratt & Whitney Canada out of St. Hubert Quebec. This airframe was used in the development of the JT15D turbofan engine. This is the aircraft shown at 16:43, 17:18. The gentleman walking in front of the aircraft is Dan Ketelson, a senior flight test engineer and mentor. Thanks for posting.
Canadian that grew up on an Airforce Base here. We had one CF-100 on display at our airport and one Vulcan. Those two jets are the ones that moulded my love for aircraft (and the F18 because you know, I'm a little young to have seen the F100 in the air) and I'm so happy to see the story of the Canuck covered respectfully and very thoroughly. I wasn't even alive for the Arrow fiasco but I'm still kinda salty about that one.
Note also Avro Canada produced the C102 jet passenger aircraft second in the world only by 13 days to the de Haviland Comet. Canadair produced probably the best F86 fighter fitted with own more powerful Orenda engines. Canadair also produced a fixed wing vertical takeoff aircraft in the 50s similar to the modern American Osprey. I used to have details(wind tunnel tests etc) of the proposed Avro advanced flying saucer. I showed it a British engineer who had worked on the flying bedstead (Harrier). He said there was nothing close to the saucer technical development in the production of the Harrier.
As a 'Canuck' clunkhead this aero raft is never mentioned by any who is not a Canadian. Thanks so much. He k many Canadians don't know much about our aviation success. Thank you for this.
One of the great things said about the CF-100, was that they had some of the most advanced ejection seats in the world, but were installed bolt upright, had two of the most advanced engines which were installed in an obsolete airframe which limited it's top speed. It was a capable aircraft, even exceeding the speed of sound albeit in a dive. It had an advanced Firecontrol System, it was one of the few all weather capable interceptors available to NATO. It was deployed to Europe as part of the Canadian Air Division and was able to hold it's own. This was the Golden Age of the RCAF, we had the Sabre Mk 6 and CF-100s. It was a force second to none. Alas, once the 60s came into full swing, everything faded, and when the RCAF, RCN and Cdn Army were integrated in the early 70s, the writing was on the wall and while we have some excellent aircrew and aircraft, it isn't the same.
The sad part, is AVRO Canada developed the C102 Jetliner. A commercial jet transport 36 seats, cruising speed of 376 MPH. AVRO wanted the Avon engines for it (The same ones for the Canuck) but were told by Rolls Royce it was a military engine. So they developed a 4 engine variant powered by Rolls Royce Derwent engines. First flight was 2 weeks after the DeHavilland Comet. Which ironically would be eventually powered by the the Avon engines. The Korean War started and C.D. Howe told AVRO to stop developing the Jetliner and focus on the Canuck instead. Killing what would have been an early commercial jet for AVRO. :(
This airplane made the first international flight when it flew to New York and than to Houston to sell it to Howard Hughes. It also was the first plane to be called a Jetjliner.
The Avro Jetliner was basically a WW2 era transport with jet engines. Even with the Avons it would have required a single stop for a transcontinental flight.. actually making it slower than a Lockheed Super Constellation or Douglas DC-7.
Very much a fan of the Canuck, so happy to see it covered here. But it does seem odd not using a picture of a CF-100 on the video thumbnail and instead using an AI produced picture of "generic Canadian military jet".
@minu.6619 The Jets logo with the maple leaf, they had to get permission from Toronto to use the maple leaf. That is the most trivial and childish thing I've ever heard.
back at the end of high school, I worked as a security guard at the Canadian Aeronautical Collection in Rockcliffe in Ottawa. We had the remains of the Avro Arrow in chopped up bits behind one of the hangars and the engine of one, called an Iroquois (?) in a display case. I got to know when a man who had worked on the Arrow was in the museum. You could tell how they walked up in reverence to that engine, and then their shoulders would slump down, their posture would change to one of defeat and deep regret, and it was best to allow them to grieve alone. NASA had HR guys outside of AV Roe when the Arrow was cancelled, and they were holding job applications in their hands. Canadians did much of the Gemini space flights. We are the Free Canadians. Despite the weak and pathetic governments we have had lately, the spirit that drove Canada to war in Europe causing even Winston Churchill to see us as formidable, still glows brightly. Our guys will happily put the bad guys in the ground. We still can produce weaponry that ends the enemy. Perhaps it's best that we don't, for the sake of the world. Perhaps it's best that we stay terminally polite, apologetic even, but we are renowned around the world as being some of the best people to have on your side in a fight. And yeah, we love a fight. Wherever we go, we get the home ice advantage. Sorry my ass.
there was a CF-100 on display in Calgary for decades. It was by the airport and on a pedistal that made it look like it was already in flight. Not sure what happened to it, but i seem to remember someone telling me it was moved inside the building of the 'aerospace museum' or the 'Canada's Aviation Hall of Fame' that is/was close by
@uncleb1566 I remember a Halifax bomber on a pedestal outside the Calgary airport. Of course it had been vandalized and left to rot like we never had any history. Really annoys me.
Excellent work really enjoyed listening to all of your research , you made it entertaining to watch . However the greatest take away , very educational . As a fellow Canadian , having the opportunity to learn about our history , accomplishments , and our contributions to be recognized as a nation doing its part , is always encouraging .
My father worked at AVRO at the time. not sure if he worked on the 100 or the AVRO airliner or rebuilding damaged Hawker Seafury's. They had several projects going on then. I have his old photo album and there are a lot of snaps of those aircraft included. One interesting one of the Airliner off of the runway stuck in the snow and mud. Not sure what happened there but the concept of that aircraft was just a little mistimed from what I've read, same as the CF-100. The only 100 I've ever seen was in the military museum in Brussels. Still a beautiful bird in my opinion.
I met Zurakowski's wife many years ago. Incredibly sweet woman. The family allowed my scout troupe to use their land for our 2 week over night camp for many years! There is a monument to Mr. Zurakowski in Barry's Bay, Ontario.
16:40 Behind the airplane we see Montreal's Downtown with the CIBC tower on the left, the Place Ville-Marie on the righ, the General Hospital on the top left and in the last few seconds we see the Université De Montréal higher on the mountain.
@@j_london9791 North bay had 4 fighter squadrons that flew the Canuck, 414, 419, 430, and 445. 414 was the last squadron to use the Cf-100 operationally in the EW role until 1981 at North Bay. They (414) also was the last squadron to fly the Cf-101 Voodoo, retiring it in 1987.
Love this. I used to live not a km from the crash site mentioned at 15:30. There is a wingless Canuck sitting outside the nearby Aviation and Space Museum too. Persumably not the same airframe.
@@garrett666Have you been living under a rock the last few years or are you one of those isolationist types? This is not the late 90s. We are required to maintain our commitments to our security partners in a world where the collapse of the USSR turns out DIDN'T signal the end of peer to peer conflict. Now pay attention because this part is important, our allies are already tired of us dragging our feet and have started putting pressure on us to get our act together and that includes the USA. You may think being a deadbeat in a security arrangement is find and dandy but back in the real world outside of your hometown that doesn't fly. Finally before you plead poverty, need I remind you we are one of the richest nations on the planet.
A really great video about the CF-100, but with a few points to be made. One, the RCAF operated the licensed-produced Canadair-built version of the F-86 known as the CL-13 Sabre. Some dozen squadrons were based in France and West Germany, providing air defence. Also, another five squadrons were based in Canada, assisting the CF-100. Second, just to point out the missiles seen under the wings of the Canuck were the domestically developed Velvet Glove, which were to arm the Arrow, but the missiles weren't up to snuff and the project was cancelled. In another shot, I do believe a Canuck has Sparrow 2 missiles from a joint-US-Canada development program. The US pulled out and Canada chose not to go it alone, so that missile was cancelled as well. Third, while the CF-105 Arrow never 'got off the ground' with production aircraft, the prototypes did take to the sky before this program was cancelled in 1959.
This is a soft spot with many Canadians the arrow was so cool and Canadian. Wish oranda and Avro where still in business. The sight just was removed from the building a year ago I drive by it on the way to work every day 😢.
There is a cf100 permanently on display in my hometown of North Bay Ontario in one of our parks on a pedestal. Been there as long as I can remember. Probably because we have a NORAD base here tucked in the side of one of our mountains 😊
Thank you. Came here to say that. My father was based at CFB Comox during the last few years of its service, though at the time he was in 407 Sqn. Demon Hunters. (Submarine hunters).
My father, during his time in service with the RCAF, is possibly the only pilot to have been "officially chastised for flying under the same bridge twice - once in a DeHavilland Mosquito night fighter, and the second time in one of the first CF-100's to enter squadron service. As he tells it, he and his navigator/radar op were asked to appear (unfortunately) in front of the same senior officer on both occasions. My dad flew night fighters as an RCAF officer serving (mostly) in RAF squadrons for most of WWII, and he was due to retire in any event. He was an exceptional pilot, with an astonishing "feel" for the aircraft, as well as day and night vision considerably better than most, and quick reflexes. As to the degree of "judgement" involved in flying under bridges - that's another matter. He did not get any "black marks" on his service record after these impromptu airshows, but I'm sure the verbal dressing-down would have been memorable, all the more so for coming from the same senior RCAF officer. He remarked more than once on the excellent rate of climb of the CF-100 and its handling. Since his first squadron service had been flying Bristol Beaufighter night fighters equipped with very early radar, he saw great changes in aircraft capabilities.
My wife came from a large prairie family in Rivers, MB. When the CF100 life ended her father bought a scrap CF100 for a 100 bucks, minus instruments and engines. It was the kids playhouse for years.
Thank you from “Canuck” land. That was a very good video about an aircraft were we punched very much above our weight and came from a time where our country thought it could do anything.
There is a cf100 about 1.5km from my house on display at a public park. Its getting a bit rough in shape between time, weather, and vandals. They've been speaking of doing a complete restoration on it hopefully next summer. Its kind of neat to look at every time i drive by it.
One of these aircraft is on a pedestal display in my hometown of North Bay, Ontario, Canada. CFB North Bay was heavily populated with these and other fighter aircraft through the 60s, 70s and 80s. We also had the unique underground radar complex (there is one in the US as well) called SAGE…Semi Automated Ground Environment. Maybe you can do a show on this decommissioned feature some day?
The Clunk was one of several types that my grandfather worked on as a mechanic in the RCAF! I’m happy to see you turn your even-handed efforts toward it!
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2:30 - Mid roll ads 3:40 - Back to the video 6:10 - Chapter 1 - Prototypes & iterations 10:05 - Chapter 2 - Specs & capabilities 12:05 - Chapter 3 - Service life & records
Was an Air Traffic Controller at CFB North Bay. (Civilian MOT controllers) When the CF-100 did a beacon letdown the routine was to fly outbound at a set heading at 25,000 feet for a designated time then turn inbound via a descending turn of 180 degrees to half your altitude crossing the beacon inbound at 12,500 feet. Then descend inbound to set up your glide path for landing. Many times during the descending turn from 25,000 the controls would freeze up depending on temperature, humidity, lapse rate, etc. So there you were in a descending turn with frozen controls. In actual fact the controls would return to normal in the warmer temps closer to the ground, but many times as the melting process was slower and the aircraft was getting closer to the ground, the pilot's voice would rise an octave or two depending on the altitude. Any CF pilots out there experience that?
These were a fixture in the skies over North Bay, Ontario, where the last ones were ultimately retired. We took class trips up to the base in the 70s, and even got to sit in them, thanks to the 414 Back Knights pilots and crews. Cool time to be a kid in Canada!
I remember when the last Cf-100's (Mk. V's) departed CFB North Bay in 1981. I believe one of those Canucks flew to Ottawa and is now at the museum there. I also remember when the Cf-101's were retired in North Bay in 1987. The all black 101067 Voodoo was sinister looking. It's in Minnesota now and 101006 (the last Voodoo to ever fly) is in Nova Scotia. As much as I liked the Canuck, the Voodoo was my favorite.
At the send off air show, one of the Clunks did a full roll, I think it was the one done up in black with the white lightning stripe? Can anyone confirm my fuzzy memories?
@@catchawave21 Yes. 414 Squadron painted a Mk.V in black with a white lightning bolt to honor one of the early Clunk schemes (I think...THINK...its now in Hamilton Ontario??). They also did one in green/grey camo to honor the Cf-100's that served in Europe.
Mentioning the Arrow at one point, I recall doing a project on that in highschool. It would have been the powerhouse at the time and solidified Canada as an aerial power. I would love to see you do a deepdive on the Arrow.
I remember the CF 100s at the airshows at CFB Trenton in the 1960s. They were impressive; though not as impressive as the F86 Golden Hawks acrobatic team.
I have seen the Belgian one in a museum they often have made some strange buys. Like the Italian A-109 but that one was later on explained by a trial. These were a nice looking aircraft for a straight wing design. Still strange that later models didn't have a gun. But i guess the same mindset as the Phantom II.
It was 416 billion to build the f-35. We don't have the resources to build and design a fifth or sixth gen fighter. Conceivably we could design one with one of our allies, the brits would be the logical choice but what they need in a fighter and what we need in a fighter are two very different things.
We needn't have purchased f35's rather we could have built Gripen e's under lucense in Canada but what stopped that was the contracts Canadian aerospace firms were already getiing supplying components for the f35. In a nutshell rather than produce production lines of planes, as national objective, we have been told to take our spot as parts suppliers. We literally have no political balls to speak of and our sovereignty and defence of such is an illusion.
No, the F-86 was not produced in Canada. The CF-86, however, was. It was a different aircraft with more powerful Canadian engines and weighed significantly less, leading to better performance.
"It's Canada, after all." Mad respect for Simon, delivering that line while looking at the camera with a straight face. And not absolutely breaking out in hilarious laughter... 😂😁😜
Back in the early 90's, I remember being part of a team that repainted a CF-100 for the air museum here in Calgary, Alberta. Beautiful plane that sat just off McKnight Blvd and 19th St. N.E. for the longest time.
I was a child on the base of Cold Lake in the 1950s and I well remember the T-33s and the CF-100s flying daily. The old noisy yellow harvard trainers were there as well. I also remember the hercules and finally the 101 voodoo. It was exciting times for a kid.
@sledxdomi3653 Canada, well Bombardier designs and builds lots of jets. In fact they can not keep up with the orders. Mind you commercial and business jets. Till recently they were 3rd after Boeing and Airbus.
To expensive. You would would have to design and HOPE you get the contract. At most the RCAF would but 100 aircraft. Then what? Hope you get foreign contract? Maybe. It"s just not economicly feasible for Canada to produce modern fighters. Same reason you will never see a Canadian designed and built tank. To much cost for the few orders our military would order assuming said company wins the contract. We are better going to established companies that build aircraft and tanks.
In 1989, one of these was stationed at the entrance to Canadian Forces Base Suffield. It apparently moved to the aircraft museum at Nanton, Alberta, Canada. Thanks for the excellent presentation. Such a pity about the Avroe Arrow. It was probably the most advanced military aircraft in the world at that time. Much better than the Gloster Javelin.
I grew up where that plane was made, long after it was made. Looking at it on a pedestal in my favourite park, knowing almost nothing about it. In scouts we held remembrance day services under it. That plane was where my love of aviation came from and is the heart of the deep respect I have for our war time history.
Good video for a beautiful airplane. Nostalgic and proud of that period for my country. It hurts my Canadian citizen heart to see how the Canadian government became disrespectfully careless at such a low point toward our Navy, Air force and Army. We had quite a strong pool of scientists and engineers back then after WWII that had the capacity of developing advanced technologies. Best example is after they cancelled the CF-105 Avro Arrow project, many members of the team moved to NASA, others went in Europe and helped developing the Concorde and later were part of Airbus. I hope we go back to what we were in a near future. Best!
"Best example is after they cancelled the CF-105 Avro Arrow project," That's a lie spread by the CBC to cover up the fact the Arrow sucked and it was a massive Liberal Party corruption scandal. The CBC spent millions retconning the history of the Arrow.
The Canuck seen at 17:20 with, seemingly, 3 engines, does indeed have three engines. It was used for years by Pratt & Whitney Canada as an engine test aircraft and the engine seen in the under-fuselage nacelle is the JT15D a Canadian designed and built small turbofan sold in signi.ficant numbers for a large number of light business jet aircraft. Long ago and far away, my first jobs as a design engineer at Pratt were on the last of the JT15D models, the JT15D-5D
Avro Jetliner, the 2nd commercial jet flown ever flown after the de Havilland Comet by 13 weeks, did not survive from prototype into production. Partly due to the needs of the Canuck production. But unlike the Comet, the Avro Jetliner never crashed. Was capable of speeds of 500 mph. Was even flown by Howard Hughes who desperately wanted to have it built on a large scale.
@@Kaw-boy The square windows on the Comet were a design flaw but also how it was assembled using a punch rivet method. Enabling flush mounted fasteners. Denting the already too thin aluminum, which caused micro fractures.
Thank You Simon for that quip about height because I went to Hamilton Ontario museum and they let me sit in that thing and the first thing I noticed was I didn't fit , my head went over the canopy and I could not touch or see the controls on either side showing you must be very small to fly it !
And then the entire Canadian manufacturing sector was destroyed on Black Friday. :"Quite controversially" is a nice way to say I'm still pissed off about it.
Nice one, Simon. Acknowledging the plane even if it didn't see combat service. It's still a great little aircraft that was needed at the time. The Canberra went on to be a purely Maritime Radar Reconnaissance aircraft in the early 1980s. Three Canberras still fly for NASA. Sadly, no Canuk's still airworthy. I was hoping to find one through good old Google in a private collection still flying, but alas, no.
What about those ones at canadian warbird heritage museum at hamilton Ontatio? If they hace an airworthy Lancaster I guess is easier to have a working canuck
They have a Canuck you can sit in, but sadly the wing spars were cut on the surviving airframes. They aren’t going to fly without obscene money floated about, and that’s not something that’s going to happen
@@miltonxwing9800 I am lucky enough to have a photo of myself in the Canuck from last year. I can confirm that those cockpits were built for smaller people, or atleast not people my size. the vet who was there said if I ever had to eject from that plane, everyone back at the airfield would call me stumpy because I'd lose everything below the knee.
Simon, at the end of your story you mentioned, very briefly, the Avro Arrow. That fighter-bomber was the most advanced aircraft of its time in the world. The Avro Arrow development along with your great gift of presentation, is an even more compelling story than the Avro Canuck. Hopefully you can see a way of bringing that tale to life for you throng of viewers!
@ih302 Actually till recently Canada was. Bombardier came 3rd after Boeing and Airbus. They had the Challenger, the CRJs their DHC division had the Dash8s and then the C-Series. Which Boeing cried foul on and had a huge tariff put on them. Then Airbus swooped in and took over the C-Series and it is now the A220 still built in Canada. Bombardier also sold the CRJ to Mitsubishi. But in the case of those, I think they moved production to Japan. Mind you Bombardier is now putting the finishing touches on a new 750,000 sq ft plant at Pearson Airport for jet production.
I've only ever seen one, sitting on a pedestal about a mile away from my house in front of an RCAF base. It sits there beside a Sabre, a VooDoo, a T-33 and a Starfighter (my favourite) I'm quite familiar with these other planes, I've seen many Voodoos and Starfighters flying, but when I saw the CF-100 Canuck I thought, "what the hell is that, it's clearly Canadian with a name like 'Canuck' but how come i've never heard of it?" Well.....I've probably never heard of it because it's Canadian....
Yep, there was a time when we made things in Canada that were considered top of the line. Now, instead of building things we just speculate on real estate and try to hit the next guy in the pockets as much as we can. It's truly pathetic how far we have fallen
The Canuck in the Atlantic Canada Aviation Museum in Halifax is the one that ejected its navigator. When the pilot pushed over (negative G) the rear seat rode up the rail and fired. Ironically the helicopter that picked him up is also on display there...
No, the feds killed it. Then, thanks to payola, it was replaced with the f104 star fighter. And before you jump down my throat, the "Arrow" was only a high altitude interceptor, once the yanks and soviets went to ICBMs the design wasn't much good.
At least we got one built unlike the Avro Arrow which still stings in many a Canuck's craw to this day including me... And I'm an anti-war New Democrat! ;-)
@@cabobs2000 Except that, you know, everyone else kept at it and we still needed to intercept aircraft all the way to this day. All cancelling the CF-105 did was kill the high performance sector of our aerospace industry, so all those engineers moved to the USA.
@@cabobs2000funny. How many ICBMs have you seen used in combat? Yeah, I'm tracking 0, too. Fighters, bombers, and the like? Tons. Interceptors are very much still relevant. Hell, that's like half the F-22's job in effect.
It would help if your cover picture actually showed the plane you were talking about. Here you are showing some sort of CF-101 instead of the CF-100 and previously you showed at P-70 when talking about the P-61.
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My guy we produced our own Sabers our own Freedom Fighters, how about doing a little research before making that statement.....
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My father was on the design team at AVRO through the 50s. Straight of of engineering school he worked on CF-100 weapons systems (primarily the wingtip rocket pack, and belly pack), and then was put on the Arrow aerodynamics test models and other Arrow projects. Once the Arrow flight test program and production began he was moved on to work on what was intended to be the advanced post-Arrow unmanned interceptor. He saw the writing on the wall for the Arrow program in 1958, and left AVRO for Bristol Aerospace to do design work on the Black Brant rocket series, and sub-contracted ICBM guidance systems for Boeing. Thanks for posting this reminder of when Canada could actually accomplish things.
@andrewdunlop9930 You seem like the guy that could answer this question. At 17:15 I see a rear view of a tear drop shaped pod hanging below the cockpit so I assume that's fuel or maybe something electronic. What's odd to me is seconds later there's something with a big air intake on an off center pod also below the cockpit. It's making me nuts, what is that thing? Your dad must have had some good stories to tell, I know I miss mine.
My father worked for Orenda and delivered the two Orenda Iroquois engines that were installed in AVRO Arrow 25206
@dicksonfranssen I've never seen that before. But it looked to me like a pod for engine flight testing, and some searching tells me that apparently that particular aircraft was used by P&W Canada to test the small fan JT15D (Wikipedia says testing was in 1967). I wonder where someone found that footage?
@@andrewdunlop9930 Thanks, that makes sense. That must have been a close call landing with the gear clearance. I know some 747's can carry an extra engine on a temporary pylon if the entire engine needs maintenance and can't be worked on where it sat but pilots hate it. We live in Milton, 30 km. out and under the glide slope into Toronto and a petition has gone around complaining about the noise. Whatever flies over is barely recognizable if it's cloudy and maybe hits 40 decibels. One day I called the 1-800 number and told the guy I wanted MORE planes, not less. He said I was the first one ever to say something nice about it. For my birthday last year my wife got me a ride on the Hamilton museum's Lancaster. Her mom packed parachutes for Lancaster crews and died just last year at 96. Have a good day.
Did your dad ever know an Archie Johnston that worked at avro at this time he would have also helped with the cf105
A lot of the AVRO engineering staff would end up at NASA and helping put a man on the moon. They had some brilliant people
NASA, Lockheed, Boeing, Grumman, and more. All the US aerospace giants and even some of Europe's.
Diefenbaker canceling the Arrow program is one of the great brain drains this country has ever seen and may have been a large factor on NASA making it to the moon.
@@hogztcp239 I don't really believe that's how it happened. It was just too big a project for Canada.
The problem with killing the arrow was that it killed Avro. Avro was 10 years ahead of everyone else with VTOL technology and they were doing R&D on a supersonic passenger jet.
Rather than just cancel the project the conservatives should have worked to secure contracts and or find partners. The arrow went supersonic on like it's 3rd flight. The world knew it was special. Instead they put thousands out of work and sent our best and brightest to NASA.
I feel like Russia would be worse...
@@hogztcp239 That's a pretty common myth about the Arrow, but the reality was the government simply could not afford to keep writing Avro blank cheques. The project had gone well over-budget by the time Diefenbaker was elected in 1957, and between Dief's tax cuts, spending increases, and a recession, the government of Canada just couldn't justify spending so much on an aircraft whose sole job was becoming somewhat obsolete with the advent of ICBM's (not entirely obsolete, just not as pressing as other NATO countries stopped making purpose-built interceptors around the same time).
The failure wasn't so much cancelling the Arrow, it was letting Avro go under and all that research, knowledge, and expertise go with it. The company could have been consolidated with de Havilland Canada or Canadair, or given licensed production of a foreign aircraft design (like Canadair was with the F-5's and F-86's).
If a Canadian pilot says the cockpit is too cold, you can safely take them at their word.
Then the Finns show up and say "NICE! They put a sauna in the cockpit!" :P
LMAO , thank you for that comment. 🙂 @@andersjjensen
Haha that true
@@andersjjensenI mean.. we regularly get -50° here in Alberta. Gets worse up North.
Montreal in January is just unreal.
And I'm from Maine FFS. I'm pretty inoculated to the cold.
Avro Canada's test pilot, Jan Zurakowski, demonstrated the CF100 at England's Farnborough Air Show, and had a stunning aerobatic maneuver called "The Falling Leaf" where he basically placed the Canuck into a flat spin and then recovered!
It was an incredible demonstration to watch. "Zura" was an awesome "hands on" pilot from Poland, who was with the RAF in WW2 before becoming a test pilot for A.V. Roe (UK). He then went to their Canadian subsidiary, AVRO Canada as their Chief Test Pilot. Jan also was the main test pilot with the CF105 Avro Arrow program.
One thing "Zura" hated was finding loose items in his cockpit while making a test flight. Sometimes he'd return to the airfield he flew out of and would first make an inverted pass over the runway to indicate someone was going to catch hell upon landing.
He was a great Wilno Ontario resident after the war. There is a great memorial to him there with an Arrow next to his statue. Check it out some time.
@@rockbutcherPretty sure it's in Barry's Bay which is just a stone's throw from Wilno. The whole area has a sizable Polish presence.
@@kikastra YES! you are correct. It's been so long since I was in the area. Thank You.
Been there @@rockbutcher
Those Orenda engines are what I work on at Jet City Turbines. The Canadian Sabres were built in Canada, and used the same engines as the CF-100. We just tested one in July this year.
Great footage in this video!
Hope you get the Orenda Iroquois running at some point! Loved your videos on that beauty.
From what I understand the Canadian sabres were faster than their American counterparts.
@@greggougeon4422 The GE J47 engine in the American Sabres makes about 5500 lbs of static thrust. We've run them in our test cell. The Orenda 14 engine in the Canadian Sabres makes about 7200 lbs of static thrust. I think the top speeds are the same, but rate of climb is improved.
"But it got the job done, every time" ~ The Canadian Armed Forces described perfectly.
D I E P P E
Bonjour Monsieur Ponraul.
I'd like to respectfully point out that, as horrible as the death toll was (more than half of the six thousand boys never came home), the goal of this mission was to "test the feasibility of a landing and to gather intelligence". So... no Dieppe, no D-Day. In that regard, my grandfathers got the job done.
Je vous souhaite le meilleur.@@ponraul1221
Unless that job is procuring and fixing helicopters so that that they don’t kill more service-members lives than recent deployments
Ya and now you guys sold out to China and are training them on our land now .. good job
@@ponraul1221oh yeah, the thing that was poorly planned and the lessons learned helped with the eventual success of D-day?
Thank you Simon for acknowledging the Canadian contributions to the Jet age. Unfortunately the politics and policies of the time were short sighted when it came to fighter jets.
and not much has changed in those politics and policies.
and a man named Diefenbaker is responsible for the death of Canadian aerospace.
Tsr2
@@craigmorris4083right. Because a bumbling government and a miniscule economy didn't play any part. Canadian aerospace industry was at a disadvantage to begin with. As a Commonwealth nation, anything Canada produces has to compete with British made competition.
@@SkunkApe407 sure but alot of smaller nations built their own arms industry that now flourishes despite it would have crashed their country like naysayers say about canada aerospace industry. Being a Commonwealth doesnt make it worse in fact it made it better we were one
The Canuck was a powerhouse, and I love that you talked about it! It's a shame we lost Avro when the Arrow was cancelled (and the CF-103 was never produced as a result), but there was a time when Canada was a powerful aviation nation.
Also, it's not "can-ook" it's "Can-Uhck"
CF-105 Arrow, was cancelled
@@ztublackstaff yes
Also at the end of wwII Canada had the biggest merchant marine in the world. But it was frittered away by stupid ignorant short sited politicians. Today we can not seem to find one real leader out of 38,000,000 of the best educated people in the world.
CANUCK
As a proud Canadian, this is definitely an underappreciated aircraft. We love the Canuck.
As do American aviation enthusiasts whenever a Canuck makes an appearance. Gorgeous aircraft.
We do?
@@whollylostandgoneYes?
I love how Canadians are always patting themselves on the back. You're losers, the laughing stock of NATO.
It's a shame the way the Canadian politicians sold out their military aviation industry for Uncle Sam. Nothing against the US or it's planes- every county should want to maintain their own domestic product.
Such a great time for Canada. We were coming off the high of being major contributors to the victory of the Allies in WW2, and anything seemed possible. We even had an aircraft carrier, the HMCS Bonaventure, for a time.
Actually, the Royal Canadian Navy had two aircraft carriers in the later stages of world war 2, used mainly as "anti-submarine escort carriers", the HMCS Nabob and HMCS Puncher. After WW2, the RCN had another, larger aircraft carrier, the HMCS Magnificent, known as the "Maggie" to those who served on her. Finally the last RCN aircraft carrier was the HMCS Bonaventure, or the "Bonnie" to those who served on her. With an angled flight deck, steam catapults, and able to operate McDonnell Banshee jet aircraft. The Bonnie was decommissioned in the early 70's.
Don't forget HMCS Magnificent.
I've got a framed photo with Bonaventure including her stats and a 1960s Bonaventure keychain. Love that ship!
Even the Netherlands had an aircraft carrier after ww2, there were a LOT left over.
@@dukeofbroccoli only way that happens is if we give up healthcare and welfare
Excellent video. The last flying “Canuck” was S/N 760 which flew with Pratt & Whitney Canada out of St. Hubert Quebec. This airframe was used in the development of the JT15D turbofan engine. This is the aircraft shown at 16:43, 17:18. The gentleman walking in front of the aircraft is Dan Ketelson, a senior flight test engineer and mentor. Thanks for posting.
Canadian that grew up on an Airforce Base here. We had one CF-100 on display at our airport and one Vulcan. Those two jets are the ones that moulded my love for aircraft (and the F18 because you know, I'm a little young to have seen the F100 in the air) and I'm so happy to see the story of the Canuck covered respectfully and very thoroughly.
I wasn't even alive for the Arrow fiasco but I'm still kinda salty about that one.
I was only 6 when the arrow was cancelled and even then was saddened by it. We have a cf100 on display along Portage avenue in Winnipeg.
I was 5 or 6 when the Arrow flew over RCAF Station Clinton. Everyone on the station knew that it was coming over.
Note also Avro Canada produced the C102 jet passenger aircraft second in the world only by 13 days to the de Haviland Comet. Canadair produced probably the best F86 fighter fitted with own more powerful Orenda engines. Canadair also produced a fixed wing vertical takeoff aircraft in the 50s similar to the modern American Osprey. I used to have details(wind tunnel tests etc) of the proposed Avro advanced flying saucer. I showed it a British engineer who had worked on the flying bedstead (Harrier). He said there was nothing close to the saucer technical development in the production of the Harrier.
the C102 would have beat the Comet had it not had technical issues
@@mississaugaicedogsde Havilland just said "technical issues? meh" and launched the Comet.
As a 'Canuck' clunkhead this aero raft is never mentioned by any who is not a Canadian. Thanks so much. He k many Canadians don't know much about our aviation success. Thank you for this.
One of the great things said about the CF-100, was that they had some of the most advanced ejection seats in the world, but were installed bolt upright, had two of the most advanced engines which were installed in an obsolete airframe which limited it's top speed. It was a capable aircraft, even exceeding the speed of sound albeit in a dive. It had an advanced Firecontrol System, it was one of the few all weather capable interceptors available to NATO. It was deployed to Europe as part of the Canadian Air Division and was able to hold it's own. This was the Golden Age of the RCAF, we had the Sabre Mk 6 and CF-100s. It was a force second to none.
Alas, once the 60s came into full swing, everything faded, and when the RCAF, RCN and Cdn Army were integrated in the early 70s, the writing was on the wall and while we have some excellent aircrew and aircraft, it isn't the same.
The sad part, is AVRO Canada developed the C102 Jetliner. A commercial jet transport 36 seats, cruising speed of 376 MPH. AVRO wanted the Avon engines for it (The same ones for the Canuck) but were told by Rolls Royce it was a military engine. So they developed a 4 engine variant powered by Rolls Royce Derwent engines. First flight was 2 weeks after the DeHavilland Comet. Which ironically would be eventually powered by the the Avon engines. The Korean War started and C.D. Howe told AVRO to stop developing the Jetliner and focus on the Canuck instead. Killing what would have been an early commercial jet for AVRO. :(
This airplane made the first international flight when it flew to New York and than to Houston to sell it to Howard Hughes. It also was the first plane to be called a Jetjliner.
The Avro Jetliner was basically a WW2 era transport with jet engines. Even with the Avons it would have required a single stop for a transcontinental flight.. actually making it slower than a Lockheed Super Constellation or Douglas DC-7.
@@Bartonovich52 It wasn't meant for long haul routes. You have to start somewhere. Boeing had the 727 and Douglas had the DC-9, or Sud Caravelle
Crazy that CD Howe, the American, sabotaged the Canadian jet industry huh? No conflict of interest there eh?
@@leftcoaster67they came later
As a Canadian, i appreciate the spot light! Thanks Simon!!
Very much a fan of the Canuck, so happy to see it covered here. But it does seem odd not using a picture of a CF-100 on the video thumbnail and instead using an AI produced picture of "generic Canadian military jet".
The thumbnail looks like a panavia tornado
Looks a bit like a Voodoo?
I thought it was a voodoo too, I haven't watched the video yet, I came to the comments to see what it was.
Pretty sure the aircraft in the video thumbnail is a CF-101 Voodoo
The engine intakes are nothing like a Voodoo's. Looks like an AI mash up of a Voodoo and a Tornado. @@robdunnett1258
OOOHHHH Now I see why the Winnipeg Jets' logo looks like that! Thank you for covering these jets, it brings history and today together :)
@minu.6619 The Jets logo with the maple leaf, they had to get permission from Toronto to use the maple leaf. That is the most trivial and childish thing I've ever heard.
back at the end of high school, I worked as a security guard at the Canadian Aeronautical Collection in Rockcliffe in Ottawa. We had the remains of the Avro Arrow in chopped up bits behind one of the hangars and the engine of one, called an Iroquois (?) in a display case. I got to know when a man who had worked on the Arrow was in the museum. You could tell how they walked up in reverence to that engine, and then their shoulders would slump down, their posture would change to one of defeat and deep regret, and it was best to allow them to grieve alone. NASA had HR guys outside of AV Roe when the Arrow was cancelled, and they were holding job applications in their hands. Canadians did much of the Gemini space flights.
We are the Free Canadians. Despite the weak and pathetic governments we have had lately, the spirit that drove Canada to war in Europe causing even Winston Churchill to see us as formidable, still glows brightly. Our guys will happily put the bad guys in the ground. We still can produce weaponry that ends the enemy. Perhaps it's best that we don't, for the sake of the world. Perhaps it's best that we stay terminally polite, apologetic even, but we are renowned around the world as being some of the best people to have on your side in a fight. And yeah, we love a fight. Wherever we go, we get the home ice advantage. Sorry my ass.
Thanks for doing ine for canada. Can i suggest the Canadarm on the space shuttle?
Maybe a video on the Canadair CL-41 (RCAF designation : CT-114 Tutor).
It's 60 years old and still used by the Snowbirds.
Yes, embarrassing stuff
@@mikeholland1031 On the contrary. The fact it's still used is a testament to the dedication and competence of maintenance personnel.
@@simonrancourt7834 no disrespect to the maintenance staff but using them is embarrassing as I already said.
there was a CF-100 on display in Calgary for decades. It was by the airport and on a pedistal that made it look like it was already in flight. Not sure what happened to it, but i seem to remember someone telling me it was moved inside the building of the 'aerospace museum' or the 'Canada's Aviation Hall of Fame' that is/was close by
@uncleb1566
I remember a Halifax bomber on a pedestal outside the Calgary airport. Of course it had been vandalized and left to rot like we never had any history. Really annoys me.
I’ll have to check that out.
A warplane that never sees war is a success story in its own right.
"Canada’s Only Mass-Produced Fighter Jet" - true in terms of Canadian designs, but Canadair also mass-produced F-86 Sabres under license.
And Canada built the Cf-104's and Cf-5's.
Excellent work really enjoyed listening to all of your research , you made it entertaining to watch . However the greatest take away , very educational . As a fellow Canadian , having the opportunity to learn about our history , accomplishments , and our contributions to be recognized as a nation doing its part , is always encouraging .
My father worked at AVRO at the time. not sure if he worked on the 100 or the AVRO airliner or rebuilding damaged Hawker Seafury's. They had several projects going on then. I have his old photo album and there are a lot of snaps of those aircraft included. One interesting one of the Airliner off of the runway stuck in the snow and mud. Not sure what happened there but the concept of that aircraft was just a little mistimed from what I've read, same as the CF-100.
The only 100 I've ever seen was in the military museum in Brussels. Still a beautiful bird in my opinion.
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I met Zurakowski's wife many years ago. Incredibly sweet woman. The family allowed my scout troupe to use their land for our 2 week over night camp for many years!
There is a monument to Mr. Zurakowski in Barry's Bay, Ontario.
16:40 Behind the airplane we see Montreal's Downtown with the CIBC tower on the left, the Place Ville-Marie on the righ, the General Hospital on the top left and in the last few seconds we see the Université De Montréal higher on the mountain.
We have 2 here in North Bay. And a Voodoo gate guard at the Base. Thank you Simon.
Yes and CFB North Bay had a squadron.
@@j_london9791 North bay had 4 fighter squadrons that flew the Canuck, 414, 419, 430, and 445. 414 was the last squadron to use the Cf-100 operationally in the EW role until 1981 at North Bay. They (414) also was the last squadron to fly the Cf-101 Voodoo, retiring it in 1987.
Love this. I used to live not a km from the crash site mentioned at 15:30. There is a wingless Canuck sitting outside the nearby Aviation and Space Museum too. Persumably not the same airframe.
Ahhh... back when Canada actually properly funded its military. Its been awhile 😢
🇺🇸🇺🇲 You're welcome 🇺🇸🇺🇲
We dont need to anymore luckily
Back when Canada had a real military... But seriously a armed militia would be better off then them
@@garrett666Have you been living under a rock the last few years or are you one of those isolationist types? This is not the late 90s. We are required to maintain our commitments to our security partners in a world where the collapse of the USSR turns out DIDN'T signal the end of peer to peer conflict. Now pay attention because this part is important, our allies are already tired of us dragging our feet and have started putting pressure on us to get our act together and that includes the USA. You may think being a deadbeat in a security arrangement is find and dandy but back in the real world outside of your hometown that doesn't fly. Finally before you plead poverty, need I remind you we are one of the richest nations on the planet.
@@erasmus_lockestop. You do not represent all Americans, but you do make us sound like asses
A really great video about the CF-100, but with a few points to be made. One, the RCAF operated the licensed-produced Canadair-built version of the F-86 known as the CL-13 Sabre. Some dozen squadrons were based in France and West Germany, providing air defence. Also, another five squadrons were based in Canada, assisting the CF-100.
Second, just to point out the missiles seen under the wings of the Canuck were the domestically developed Velvet Glove, which were to arm the Arrow, but the missiles weren't up to snuff and the project was cancelled. In another shot, I do believe a Canuck has Sparrow 2 missiles from a joint-US-Canada development program. The US pulled out and Canada chose not to go it alone, so that missile was cancelled as well.
Third, while the CF-105 Arrow never 'got off the ground' with production aircraft, the prototypes did take to the sky before this program was cancelled in 1959.
This is a soft spot with many Canadians the arrow was so cool and Canadian. Wish oranda and Avro where still in business. The sight just was removed from the building a year ago I drive by it on the way to work every day 😢.
There is a cf100 permanently on display in my hometown of North Bay Ontario in one of our parks on a pedestal. Been there as long as I can remember. Probably because we have a NORAD base here tucked in the side of one of our mountains 😊
It’s Canuck… not Canook 😂
Vancouver Canucks, not Canooks. Makes the "Clunk" nickname more sensible too.
Thank you. Came here to say that. My father was based at CFB Comox during the last few years of its service, though at the time he was in 407 Sqn. Demon Hunters. (Submarine hunters).
Lol canook, good try
Rhymes with "book", not "book"
I'm a Canuck and I think you dudes need to grow some skin.
You sound like Trudeau.
My father, during his time in service with the RCAF, is possibly the only pilot to have been "officially chastised for flying under the same bridge twice - once in a DeHavilland Mosquito night fighter, and the second time in one of the first CF-100's to enter squadron service. As he tells it, he and his navigator/radar op were asked to appear (unfortunately) in front of the same senior officer on both occasions. My dad flew night fighters as an RCAF officer serving (mostly) in RAF squadrons for most of WWII, and he was due to retire in any event. He was an exceptional pilot, with an astonishing "feel" for the aircraft, as well as day and night vision considerably better than most, and quick reflexes. As to the degree of "judgement" involved in flying under bridges - that's another matter. He did not get any "black marks" on his service record after these impromptu airshows, but I'm sure the verbal dressing-down would have been memorable, all the more so for coming from the same senior RCAF officer. He remarked more than once on the excellent rate of climb of the CF-100 and its handling. Since his first squadron service had been flying Bristol Beaufighter night fighters equipped with very early radar, he saw great changes in aircraft capabilities.
You have to tell us who your dad is, what aircraft and what bridge!
Flew under the same bridge twice? We have to assume that was in Britain then. Which one?
AI-generated post.
I can't believe how many aviation videos he's got now. I still remember the first one
My wife came from a large prairie family in Rivers, MB. When the CF100 life ended her father bought a scrap CF100 for a 100 bucks, minus instruments and engines. It was the kids playhouse for years.
Thank you from “Canuck” land.
That was a very good video about an aircraft were we punched very much above our weight and came from a time where our country thought it could do anything.
There is a cf100 about 1.5km from my house on display at a public park. Its getting a bit rough in shape between time, weather, and vandals. They've been speaking of doing a complete restoration on it hopefully next summer. Its kind of neat to look at every time i drive by it.
14:17 He was the test pilot for the CF-105 Avro Arrow
One of these aircraft is on a pedestal display in my hometown of North Bay, Ontario, Canada. CFB North Bay was heavily populated with these and other fighter aircraft through the 60s, 70s and 80s. We also had the unique underground radar complex (there is one in the US as well) called SAGE…Semi Automated Ground Environment. Maybe you can do a show on this decommissioned feature some day?
Being Canadian, every missile has the word *SORRY* written on it.
Soory
Or... No worries, buddy.
Apologies, pal
"Soory, eh?"
i thought it was war crimes
The Clunk was one of several types that my grandfather worked on as a mechanic in the RCAF! I’m happy to see you turn your even-handed efforts toward it!
I've seen one up close at the Comox AF museum. Really cool plane!
a wonderful show on an amazing aircraft...thank you for such a great opinion of this craft
For a Canadian to say that something is too cold....
Just know that another person would have turned into a popsicle under the same circumstances.
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2:30 - Mid roll ads
3:40 - Back to the video
6:10 - Chapter 1 - Prototypes & iterations
10:05 - Chapter 2 - Specs & capabilities
12:05 - Chapter 3 - Service life & records
Quirky, clunky, not very flashy, but charming in its own right & gets the job done.... yep, sounds Canadian.
CF-100 Canuck nicknamed the "Clunk"
What a great episode. As a Canadian myself, I want to thank you for presenting this in an interesting way. Great job!
A number of Avro Arrow engineers worked on the Concords design after the Arrow was cancelled.
Was an Air Traffic Controller at CFB North Bay. (Civilian MOT controllers) When the CF-100 did a beacon letdown the routine was to fly outbound at a set heading at 25,000 feet for a designated time then turn inbound via a descending turn of 180 degrees to half your altitude crossing the beacon inbound at 12,500 feet. Then descend inbound to set up your glide path for landing. Many times during the descending turn from 25,000 the controls would freeze up depending on temperature, humidity, lapse rate, etc. So there you were in a descending turn with frozen controls. In actual fact the controls would return to normal in the warmer temps closer to the ground, but many times as the melting process was slower and the aircraft was getting closer to the ground, the pilot's voice would rise an octave or two depending on the altitude. Any CF pilots out there experience that?
N.Bay was notoriously cold, often damp.
did you know a air controller there, Stromquist?
These were a fixture in the skies over North Bay, Ontario, where the last ones were ultimately retired. We took class trips up to the base in the 70s, and even got to sit in them, thanks to the 414 Back Knights pilots and crews. Cool time to be a kid in Canada!
I remember when the last Cf-100's (Mk. V's) departed CFB North Bay in 1981. I believe one of those Canucks flew to Ottawa and is now at the museum there. I also remember when the Cf-101's were retired in North Bay in 1987. The all black 101067 Voodoo was sinister looking. It's in Minnesota now and 101006 (the last Voodoo to ever fly) is in Nova Scotia. As much as I liked the Canuck, the Voodoo was my favorite.
At the send off air show, one of the Clunks did a full roll, I think it was the one done up in black with the white lightning stripe? Can anyone confirm my fuzzy memories?
@@catchawave21 Yes. 414 Squadron painted a Mk.V in black with a white lightning bolt to honor one of the early Clunk schemes (I think...THINK...its now in Hamilton Ontario??). They also did one in green/grey camo to honor the Cf-100's that served in Europe.
Mentioning the Arrow at one point, I recall doing a project on that in highschool. It would have been the powerhouse at the time and solidified Canada as an aerial power. I would love to see you do a deepdive on the Arrow.
I remember the CF 100s at the airshows at CFB Trenton in the 1960s. They were impressive; though not as impressive as the F86 Golden Hawks acrobatic team.
The Golden Cawks were legendary!
I have seen the Belgian one in a museum they often have made some strange buys. Like the Italian A-109 but that one was later on explained by a trial.
These were a nice looking aircraft for a straight wing design. Still strange that later models didn't have a gun. But i guess the same mindset as the Phantom II.
I wish Canada would be re emerge in this industry. We have brilliant people with the capabilities of doing so. Something to actually suit our needs
It was 416 billion to build the f-35. We don't have the resources to build and design a fifth or sixth gen fighter. Conceivably we could design one with one of our allies, the brits would be the logical choice but what they need in a fighter and what we need in a fighter are two very different things.
We needn't have purchased f35's rather we could have built Gripen e's under lucense in Canada but what stopped that was the contracts Canadian aerospace firms were already getiing supplying components for the f35. In a nutshell rather than produce production lines of planes, as national objective, we have been told to take our spot as parts suppliers. We literally have no political balls to speak of and our sovereignty and defence of such is an illusion.
The cf-100 at the calgary areospace museum had its wings rust off recently and is undegoing restoration
Thanks for reviewing the "Clunk", the F86 was also built in Canada by Candair.
No, the F-86 was not produced in Canada. The CF-86, however, was. It was a different aircraft with more powerful Canadian engines and weighed significantly less, leading to better performance.
CANADAIR
The Cf-104 and Cf-5 were also built in Canada by Canadair.
Fantastic telling of the story! Thanks
"It's Canada, after all."
Mad respect for Simon, delivering that line while looking at the camera with a straight face. And not absolutely breaking out in hilarious laughter... 😂😁😜
Fantastic, thank you for doing this video!
Well done but where did you get the artwork for the thumbnail that looks nothing like the Canuck?
Indeed ! This is not a Clunk !
Excellent film. The ten times the flying hours dovetailed well into the CAF's tendency to use a piece of kit to destruction.
How about a video on the Avro C102 Jetliner? Second jet passenger aircraft to fly, only 13 days behind the DeHavilland Comet.
a true shame. That could have kept the company afloat.
Back in the early 90's, I remember being part of a team that repainted a CF-100 for the air museum here in Calgary, Alberta. Beautiful plane that sat just off McKnight Blvd and 19th St. N.E. for the longest time.
I was a child on the base of Cold Lake in the 1950s and I well remember the T-33s and the CF-100s flying daily. The old noisy yellow harvard trainers were there as well. I also remember the hercules and finally the 101 voodoo. It was exciting times for a kid.
i really wish we were still developing jets here it, would create a bunch of good jobs and supper fun things to "test out"
@sledxdomi3653 Canada, well Bombardier designs and builds lots of jets. In fact they can not keep up with the orders. Mind you commercial and business jets. Till recently they were 3rd after Boeing and Airbus.
I have wondered what Avro's 4th aircraft would have been...
@@drewthompson7457 The 4th was the Avro Car. That was a flop though. They had early plans for satellites and launch vehicles.
@@williammann9176 : you're right. When I said "aircraft", I was thinking of flying saucers or poor hovercraft.
To expensive. You would would have to design and HOPE you get the contract.
At most the RCAF would but 100 aircraft. Then what? Hope you get foreign contract? Maybe.
It"s just not economicly feasible for Canada to produce modern fighters. Same reason you will never see a Canadian designed and built tank.
To much cost for the few orders our military would order assuming said company wins the contract.
We are better going to established companies that build aircraft and tanks.
In 1989, one of these was stationed at the entrance to Canadian Forces Base Suffield. It apparently moved to the aircraft museum at Nanton, Alberta, Canada. Thanks for the excellent presentation. Such a pity about the Avroe Arrow. It was probably the most advanced military aircraft in the world at that time. Much better than the Gloster Javelin.
Fun fact.I saw a aluminum canoe in 88 & the owner said that it was made from the Avro 😉
My wife's father and uncle's iceboats all have hardware from the Arrow program - a lot of stuff made it to scrapyards in Hamilton.
I grew up where that plane was made, long after it was made. Looking at it on a pedestal in my favourite park, knowing almost nothing about it. In scouts we held remembrance day services under it. That plane was where my love of aviation came from and is the heart of the deep respect I have for our war time history.
Strange graphic looks like a mash up of the cf-100, the concept for the cf-103 and an f-101 voodoo.
I was internally raging when I saw the thumbnail. I swear he’s doing the thumbnails wrong on purpose, just to make me click and watch the video
Thought the same
Good video for a beautiful airplane. Nostalgic and proud of that period for my country. It hurts my Canadian citizen heart to see how the Canadian government became disrespectfully careless at such a low point toward our Navy, Air force and Army. We had quite a strong pool of scientists and engineers back then after WWII that had the capacity of developing advanced technologies. Best example is after they cancelled the CF-105 Avro Arrow project, many members of the team moved to NASA, others went in Europe and helped developing the Concorde and later were part of Airbus. I hope we go back to what we were in a near future. Best!
"Best example is after they cancelled the CF-105 Avro Arrow project,"
That's a lie spread by the CBC to cover up the fact the Arrow sucked and it was a massive Liberal Party corruption scandal. The CBC spent millions retconning the history of the Arrow.
The best weapons don’t see battle. They prevent you from having to.
The Canuck seen at 17:20 with, seemingly, 3 engines, does indeed have three engines. It was used for years by Pratt & Whitney Canada as an engine test aircraft and the engine seen in the under-fuselage nacelle is the JT15D a Canadian designed and built small turbofan sold in signi.ficant numbers for a large number of light business jet aircraft. Long ago and far away, my first jobs as a design engineer at Pratt were on the last of the JT15D models, the JT15D-5D
Bring the engineer for a ride and stuff gets fixed real fast.
Avro Jetliner, the 2nd commercial jet flown ever flown after the de Havilland Comet by 13 weeks, did not survive from prototype into production. Partly due to the needs of the Canuck production. But unlike the Comet, the Avro Jetliner never crashed. Was capable of speeds of 500 mph. Was even flown by Howard Hughes who desperately wanted to have it built on a large scale.
@@Kaw-boy The square windows on the Comet were a design flaw but also how it was assembled using a punch rivet method. Enabling flush mounted fasteners. Denting the already too thin aluminum, which caused micro fractures.
Everytime simon says "canoock" i feel pain😫🇨🇦
Same here, eh. Grit my teeth at it
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Thank You Simon for that quip about height because I went to Hamilton Ontario museum and they let me sit in that thing and the first thing I noticed was I didn't fit , my head went over the canopy and I could not touch or see the controls on either side showing you must be very small to fly it !
And then the entire Canadian manufacturing sector was destroyed on Black Friday.
:"Quite controversially" is a nice way to say I'm still pissed off about it.
Nice one, Simon. Acknowledging the plane even if it didn't see combat service. It's still a great little aircraft that was needed at the time. The Canberra went on to be a purely Maritime Radar Reconnaissance aircraft in the early 1980s. Three Canberras still fly for NASA. Sadly, no Canuk's still airworthy. I was hoping to find one through good old Google in a private collection still flying, but alas, no.
What about those ones at canadian warbird heritage museum at hamilton Ontatio? If they hace an airworthy Lancaster I guess is easier to have a working canuck
They have a Canuck you can sit in, but sadly the wing spars were cut on the surviving airframes. They aren’t going to fly without obscene money floated about, and that’s not something that’s going to happen
@@miltonxwing9800 I am lucky enough to have a photo of myself in the Canuck from last year. I can confirm that those cockpits were built for smaller people, or atleast not people my size. the vet who was there said if I ever had to eject from that plane, everyone back at the airfield would call me stumpy because I'd lose everything below the knee.
GO CANADA!!!!!!!! 🇨🇦👍👍
Simon, at the end of your story you mentioned, very briefly, the Avro Arrow. That fighter-bomber was the most advanced aircraft of its time in the world. The Avro Arrow development along with your great gift of presentation, is an even more compelling story than the Avro Canuck. Hopefully you can see a way of bringing that tale to life for you throng of viewers!
Canada could have been a world aviation leader today if Diefenbaker hadn't throw it all away.
Hell yes
@ih302 Actually till recently Canada was. Bombardier came 3rd after Boeing and Airbus. They had the Challenger, the CRJs their DHC division had the Dash8s and then the C-Series. Which Boeing cried foul on and had a huge tariff put on them. Then Airbus swooped in and took over the C-Series and it is now the A220 still built in Canada. Bombardier also sold the CRJ to Mitsubishi. But in the case of those, I think they moved production to Japan. Mind you Bombardier is now putting the finishing touches on a new 750,000 sq ft plant at Pearson Airport for jet production.
@@williammann9176 What I meant was military aircraft... Canada does build some good birds like you say.
I've only ever seen one, sitting on a pedestal about a mile away from my house in front of an RCAF base. It sits there beside a Sabre, a VooDoo, a T-33 and a Starfighter (my favourite) I'm quite familiar with these other planes, I've seen many Voodoos and Starfighters flying, but when I saw the CF-100 Canuck I thought, "what the hell is that, it's clearly Canadian with a name like 'Canuck' but how come i've never heard of it?" Well.....I've probably never heard of it because it's Canadian....
It's Can-uck, not Can -ook. Originally just slang for a Canadian. Similar to Yank (or Yankee) for an American.
Yep, there was a time when we made things in Canada that were considered top of the line. Now, instead of building things we just speculate on real estate and try to hit the next guy in the pockets as much as we can. It's truly pathetic how far we have fallen
There are still a lot of bitter people over the CF-105 debacle, they even made a history moment about it.
Canadians are always bitter about something
I'm still mad about the Arrow.
And the Panhandle...
So am I!
The Canuck in the Atlantic Canada Aviation Museum in Halifax is the one that ejected its navigator. When the pilot pushed over (negative G) the rear seat rode up the rail and fired. Ironically the helicopter that picked him up is also on display there...
Why not put the CF-100 on the thumbnail??
Every Canuck in here with the same energy as Rocket asking "what's a Raccoon?!" 😂
Canada had the ability to make their own aircraft until the USA, killed off the Arrow Cf105
No, the feds killed it. Then, thanks to payola, it was replaced with the f104 star fighter. And before you jump down my throat, the "Arrow" was only a high altitude interceptor, once the yanks and soviets went to ICBMs the design wasn't much good.
The government killed it because of US pressure.
All-in-all, the US killed it. The push for missile defense was propagated by the US and infiltrated the Canadian aero industry.
Your own liberal loving government stabbed your aircraft industry in the back. Go say thanks to your government.
Missile tech ‘killed off’ the Arrow. The dedicated interceptor role was obsolete before the Arrow ever flew
At 7:52, would love to listen to that call as the order jumped from 10 to 100.
At least we got one built unlike the Avro Arrow which still stings in many a Canuck's craw to this day including me... And I'm an anti-war New Democrat! ;-)
I think the arrow cancelation was an even better idea in hindsight though.
A dedicated interpreter aircraft was pointless after ICBMs were developed.
@@cabobs2000 Except that, you know, everyone else kept at it and we still needed to intercept aircraft all the way to this day.
All cancelling the CF-105 did was kill the high performance sector of our aerospace industry, so all those engineers moved to the USA.
@@cabobs2000 until you realise that bombers didn't stop being a threat. Or other fighters for that matter.
@@cabobs2000funny. How many ICBMs have you seen used in combat? Yeah, I'm tracking 0, too.
Fighters, bombers, and the like? Tons.
Interceptors are very much still relevant. Hell, that's like half the F-22's job in effect.
It would help if your cover picture actually showed the plane you were talking about. Here you are showing some sort of CF-101 instead of the CF-100 and previously you showed at P-70 when talking about the P-61.
I cringed every time he said Canook. It is Canuck, not Canook.
Please do a video on the Saab jet fighters - Draken especially!