Canada's Forgotten Aircraft Carriers
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- A special thank you to the Shearwater Aviation Museum for allowing me access to their photo archives for this video.
Aircraft carriers serve in most major navies worldwide, and represent naval might and superiority. And although Canada doesn’t exactly have the largest military in the world, it’s often forgotten that Canada once operated aircraft carriers. In fact, the Royal Canadian Navy has operated three carriers throughout its history. This is the story of Canada’s Forgotten Carriers.
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Great video, I was an aircraft handler on the Bonnie during the Cuban crisis. We were in England when it occured and had to leave there a day early. Only one crew member missed the ship. When we were going to England we picked up the survivors from an aircraft crash and the bodies. We flew everybody to Ireland. Quite an experience for an 18 year old kid. Loved the ship, the navy and Halifax.
My uncle was officer on the Bonaventure. I got to visit her when I was a kid.
Thanks for sharing this!
Even if it’s a bit corny I would like to say thank you for your service
My stepfather, A. Keeler, was an avionics systems tech for the Banshee's on the Bonnie (c. late '50s until she was retired)-he joined the RCN around 1949-50.
My father Leigh Getson (1942-1981) was serving on the HMCS Bonaventure in the early 60s, and was on her during its 1962 trip to Great Britain, the return to Halifax, and the Cuban Missile Crisis. I was in my mother's womb at the time, being born months later in mid February '63. I didn't learn anything about it until well after his death.
What happened to the Canadian Defense Industry besides the Luke warm politicians that marginalized the Canadian Armed Forces. The people of Canada and the members of the CAF deserves better!
The people of Canada are the problem. Anything military related doesn't get votes. Until then the government both liberal and conservative will always put military spending and procurement on the back burner.
It started with diefenbaker actually, after the embarrassment to America called the Arrow the first part of the Norad agreement with the U.S.was diefenbaker signing an agreement that Canada would never embark on any major defense programs without the approval of the American government which was the norad marriage in a nutshell
But why do we need an extensive armed forces when all we ever use them for anyways is peacekeeping and when we're neighbors with the most powerful nation on earth? Personally I'd rather have a small force of extremely well trained personnel than a big one that isn't as well trained because we just wouldn't have any use for that. Sorry if I come off as aggressive here but I'm actually genuinely confused as to why we need a bigger military.
@@topphatt1312
To help amerikan cause of global destruction by becoming part of NATO😅
@@topphatt1312 It's not aggressive if it's the truth. We're a small country that doesn't pull our weight in NATO and can't possibly defend the north never mind our own coastlines. My niece's husband is a Leopard tank instructor and gets bent out of shape when I ask why we need main battle tanks and not Bradleys or Javelins. I think he's been watching too much Red Dawn. Wolverines!
We should have 3 modern carriers, with backups. Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic. Yes, Arctic which is much more important now than many realize. We have to have our own teeth, and a LOT of that is to stop relying on the USA to protect us. Granted, and appreciated the support from the USA, BUT if we can't protect our northern peoples and lands, first of all why bother? I l'm from Halifax, and you maybe hearing it here first....if we don't as a nation, stand up for ALL Canadians regardless of how remote, how culturally different...then we have absolutely nothing to be proud of. We have lost our way by spending money in appeasment. See what happens when we neglect our military for 60 years. Nothing at ALL against our people that serve. They need no less than double or triple the funds to do their jobs properly.
People from Toranto give not a damn about what CFB Halifax looks like, or whether the Navy or CF has boats made of newspaper. They see it as a far away municipal Halifax problem. It is enough to make you physically ill how vapid and brainwashed they are with their damn ugly isolationist views.
hey dont be pessimistic, its mainly budget problems. we procure some of the most skilled soldiers, and it still holds true to this day. For a country our size though, we need to up that spending. Airforce should atleast have numbers rivaling russia. We should have plenty of anti-ship missiles and anti-submarine warfare capabilities for the inevitable clash over the arctic. And we should atleast have the capability to contribute a bit more power with our allies
@@GamerGod-fp1tj there would be nothing left of our guys very quickly if Canada had to commit all our combat units to physically defend Canada in a high intensity war. All this talk of having Americans manning the trenches - pure⁴ fantasy. Axworthy plagarized most of his ideas about 'soft power.' Axworthy thinks you can play the soft power game and not require the means to back it up. He is smoking crack. This is the characteristic way Canadian academic - elitist politicians think in terms of defence.
What is a carrier going to do against missile targeting population centers? Carriers are not a defensive unit they are for offence. What we need is air defense
@@426shelby426 in a war for the arctic , an aircraft carrier will be more useful than an air defense system 2000 kilometres away from the combat
My uncle served on the HMCS Bonaventure as a CPO and I had the honour of going aboard the Bonnie in 1963 as a teenager during a family visit to Dartmouth. RIP Uncle Casey!
My Dad was onboard the Bonnie at the same time and I too as a teen had the pleasure of attending BBQ onboard… 🇨🇦
@@roberts1922
Make that three.....a great thrill for any kid.
HMCS Bonaventure was the same class as HMA Ships Melbourne and Sydney. Sydney was converted to a troop ship in the early 1960's and was primarily used to ferry troops to Vietnam. The Melbourne remianed in service until mid 1982.
My uncle also served on the Bonaventure
I also had the opportunity to board the bonnie as well. She was jettied at shearwater. Dad was in the utility squadron. She was preparing for deployment.
Nice video about Canada's Aircraft Carriers. Budget cuts doomed the Carriers and have all but wiped out the Royal Canadian Navy.
Budget cuts? My parents were WWII refugees so I honestly have zero problems with Syrian and Afghan refugees but having them stay in Toronto hotels is the ultimate in stupidity. I'm pretty sure most of them would rather be working on a farm in Saskatchewan than being bored to death in a hotel room. Why are we buying F35's and used submarines when coastal defense, icebreakers and anti-terror should be our focus. We sold LAV6's to Saudi Arabia as long as they "promised" not to use them against their own people. Meanwhile Ukraine gets some old howitzers, used Gustaf anti-tank weapons and pillows and blankets. More Roméo Dallaire, less stupidity please.
@@dicksonfranssen you forgot the leopard 2 that we sent we could have sent them all the leopard 1s.
@@framergod69 In 5 years we'll need them as paper weights. Just so disappointing. Maybe we have some old Lee Enfield rifles we could put scopes on and send that.
It's all Diefenbaker's fault.
It was mainly because the RCAF had been whining about naval aviation for years. Said it was unnecessary and cut into the RCAF annual budget. Every once in awhile the discussion came up at the Ottawa level and finally they got their wish. A sad day for the Canadian Navy. Our carrier operations on the Bonnie were world class and we had it down to perfection. Read, "History of Canadian Naval Aviation" Part 1&2 by Stu Soward.
With the largest coastline in the world, we definitely need more ships, Canadian made in Canadian hands and Canadian jobs. We can do this.
No we can't, our youth are apathetic about serving in the Military, we have a recruitment problem trying to man the ships we have, let alone trying to man an Aircraft carrier.
Its funny as a large portion of both recruitment, and retention issues are due to low budget. hell we could make war ships if procurement wasn't so slow and we were willing to spend money lol
@@atomant451 as a youth, im not apathetic. Im fucking terrified of canada's future if we rely too heavily on 'murica. Thank god the government atleast has sense to increase the defense budget, albeit slowly. As for thinking the whole generation is spoiled, i think your a bit too much on the internet. There are plenty of us that think with our brains, and not emotion. And many of us who have a high sense of national pride.
Politics and procurement are bad partners. I remember the Augusta scandal under Mulroney when it was time to replace our Sea Kings. We may as well get them built in Korea, we will get them on time and within costs.
@@atomant451 youth isn't apathetic, the government hasn't treated vets well since the end of WW2 and unlike a lot of Americans we have options that keep us out of the military, respect the people, arm the people, and feed the people and they will fight as long as it's a just cause but not just 'cause
I was just reading the wiki articles on these carriers, which led to reading about another Majestic class carrier, the HMAS Melbourne. When the Bonaventure was decommissioned its catapult was sold to Australia for parts to go into the Melbourne. Bizarrely during its life the Melbourne cut two destroyers in half, in two separate mishaps killing nearly two hundred. When it was sold for scrap in 1985 the catapult was one of the few things left in place, and upon arrival in China it was studied for Chinas own secret carrier program, which just this past year produced the first Chinese developed carrier.
So the Chinese copyed canadian aircraft carrier catapults? COPY CATS
WOW. Sometimes, espionage can take a very quiet backseat.
The Chinese are extremely cunning in their endeavors.
I remember when they were caught stealing our nuclear secrets from Los Alamos during the Reagan Administration. Damnit he was pissed off.
My Dad served on the HMS Nabob in the war. He was was on shore leave when it was struck by a Torpedo.
Thank God he was on leave as the Torpedo hit where bunk was.
Great video.
Cheers
The role of the RCN in the battle of the Atlantic should not be underestimated, they were very professional, highly motivated and responsible for the protection of many ships and sinking of many U Boats. “Ready, Aye, Ready”
That was true, for a bunch of boys most of which never saw the ocean before they did pretty good. The first Canadian built corvettes were sent to the UK without it's main guns, in their place they had wooden posts to hopefully fool the Uboats. Along the way the green timber developed a noticeable bow and soon became the joke of many a sailor. Once they arrived everyone breathed a sigh of relief and the admiralty replaced the fire wood with actual guns.
@@Spencer-e2v because few people know it was Canada that was responsible for all west bound convoys in the north Atlantic until they were handed off to the Royal Navy at the mid Atlantic point. The bulk of ships traveling to Europe from the Americas were under Canadian protection with the exception of those who could sail fast enough to travel alone or use the fast mid Atlantic convoy run which fell under US control. Those werr the very large ocean linners transformed to troop transpoorts and such who could maintain speeds high enough that the Uboats could not catch them. Well over 3/4 of shipping had to travel in the slow convoy which was under RCN control.
For that reason Canada eventualy had the thrid largest navy in the world. We also had the fourth largest air force as well but that was another story for another day. But there is no reason to maintIn those numbers during peace time. Better to spend our money on Canadians.
@@Spencer-e2v what a lot of people also underestimate is Canadian production and reverse lend lease. Canada produced ships for the US, aircraft, trucks, tanks, rolling stock for rail roads and an abundance of ammunition of every size and type. When the war was over the US ended up owing Canada a neat and tidy sum, not near as much as the British but still substancial. We produced almost half a million military trucks built on the same design as the dodge 4x4 military truck which was mass produced. The USSR recieved hundreds of thousands of these trucks and Stalin himself said they were the most useful thing they recieved from the west. When you factor in Canada was just 10% of the population of the US it out produced it in troops and munitions during WW2 per person. By the late 50s though that mentality was gone and the seeds of destruction were being sowed.
What people don’t know is Canada had the Third largest Navy in wW2 , main duty was convoy escorts
It is so embarrassing what happened to not only the Navy but all the armed forces…
I know we have 4 submarines & one works
Because politicians are experts at making stupid decisions. Aka Avro Arrow
@@brucemaguire3238 Yes
Isn’t it…
@@Spencer-e2vbringing your hurt feelings over an objective truth is sad for someone trying to defend the armed forces. You don't sound like you've done anything with the armed forces with a take like that, if you have, again sad
Thanks for your production. One of my uncles served on Bonadventure when they were flying McDonnell Banshees.
I had no idea Canada had aircraft carriers. Great documentary on Canada's navy during that time period.
Thank you!
Yes and in true Canadian fashion they spent millions in 1970 refurbishing the Bonnie only to scrap it 2 years later.....😢
@BradFalck-mn3pc hope our few subs don't get that treatment
@@scottbuckley6578 The used subs the Navy begged the government NOT to buy? The British must be laughing all the way to the bank. "For sale, slightly used 1970 MG. The top leaks, lots of rust, burns oil if the engine even starts, needs a new interior." One almost sank off the Irish coast and killed a sailor.
@BradFalck-mn3pc I hear from old vets she was a rust bucket on the inside despite the refit. Just better to send her to scrappers
Loved the video. My grandfather served on the bonnie during the cuban missile crisis
The loss of Banshee jet fighters was to have been partially compensated with the Tribal air defence destroyers, armed with the area-defence Tartar surface-to-air missile. However this project was changed, and the Tribals were redesigned into anti-submarine destroyers, carrying two Sea Kings, Air defence went to the Sparrow point defence missile. Not until the late 1980's/early 1990's did the Tribals become air defence watships, with the vertical launch Standard SAMS.
At the time in the early 1960's there were few options to replace the Banshee. One was the A-4 Skyhawk, an attack aircraft employed for air defence, as the Royal Australian Navy eventually did. Aircraft such as the Harrier were very much in their infancy and at least 15 years from service in the Royal Navy.
Thanks for the memories. I was aboard the Bonny for a personal tour with an officer at Naden in Esquimalt around 1958. We lived looking at Naden, Fisgard light and Fort Rodd.
I miss the activity.
Served my RCN ERA apprenticeship there in '62' onward. Many fine memories of Nelles Block, Equimalt and Victoria
never happened. The BONNIE was never in the Pacific , never visited Naden.
Should be "Canada's forgotten military".
Still is. With 0.26% of our population being active/reserve service members
My father served on the Bonny in the 60's. Such a shame what we did to her once she was paid off.
Shameful fate for such a great ship.
My Grand father was on it too.
I met a man today who was a pilot on the Bonny, and closed out his career at CFB Comox as the base commander. He told me a few great stories, and I was amazed I didn't know our country once had these amazing ships. It was a true honour to meet him, and hear his stories.
FANTASTIC!!!👍👍👍👍👍
I Truly Enjoyed this post!! Being a USN Veteran 20+ years, I did Not know about Canadian CVEs during WW2... Very Fascinating Indeed!!!
Now, as a model-builder, I DO plan on building HMCS 'Bonnie, although she falls out of my "timeline" of building EVERY A/C from the 80s to present, I Do want to include 'Bonnie'. BUT Be VERY Patient..... as I do not plan on building (although I have a rough resin 'Magnificent-class' A/C model in the scale that I often build) as of the present time.... I Might even build a BOGUE-class A/C as HMS Puncher or as Nabob ( interesting name and history that I was looking up )...that had a Canadian crews, but no aircrews.
Lastly, I served, VERY Briefly, with a Canadian ship HMCS Kootenay DDE-258....and I enjoyed working with that crew.
The Dutch Navy also operated a Colossus class air craft carrier, the ex HMS Venerable, as the HNLMS Karel Doorman as from 1948 till 1969 when it was sold to Argentina (where it even was operated in the Falklands war).
Wow, I recall as a child, my dad taking me down to the shipyards in St. John, N.B, and explaining to me what this "huge ship" was all about.
It was the "Magnificent" in drydock, sometime in the early 1950s. Closed in 2003, the St. John Drydock was intended to be, in 1918. the "largest in the world"
" The new dock will be 1,150 feet and its width at the bottom 125 feet."
I sailed on the Bonny at that time for the refit. My dad was the electrical Officer and he was allowed to bring two children on board for the two day trip. We stayed at Crystal Beach for a month before going home to Nova Scotia. Totally enjoyed the voyage.
Was there at the time. My shipmates and I would go to Point du Chene on the Northumberlan coast to swim and pick up those fine New Brunswick ladies.
Thanks for this! I'm a Canadian naval history fan and have part of a bookshelf as a mini shrine to Bonaventure. Framed picture, statistical writeup, and a Bonaventure keychain displayed in front.
Suggested reading: "History of Canadian Naval Aviation" Part 1&2 by Stu Soward. Also "The Sea is at Our Gates" A History of the Canadian Navy by Commander Tony German
my father served on the Bonnie and the Maggie I have a great picture of him with a couple of the guys laying next to a banshee I quess it would have been in Shearwater.
The Bonaventure was the best looking of the refitted Colossus/Majestic class carriers.
My grandpa served on Canada's last aircraft carrier: HMCS Bonaventure. He was Chief Petty Officer, and a member of the RCN for thirty five years. Canada has a proud military heritage, and by the end of WW2, Canada actually had the third largest navy in the world.
Interesting video! I never knew we had carriers. I served in the Army Reserves on the East Coast in the early 2000s and worked security at the port of Halifax for 6 months. Fell in love with the city after that and ended up moving there for a few years. I have visited the naval museum a few times but never saw any photos of the carriers.
Me too❤🇨🇦
Great video! My grandfather served on the Bonnie so this was really interesting for me.
I'll second your suggestion to visit the Shearwater Aviation Museum, it's really fantastic!
I lived near Halifax, and we could always tell when a Tracker flew over because of how they interfered with the TV reception. It seemed to be the only aircraft that did that.
Probably the anti submarine electronic gear operating.
My father-in-law flew Trackers off the Bonnie! I think he's one of the last left...great stories.
I'm a 65 year old Canadian. I DID NOT KNOW Canada had an aircraft carrier.
We had 3 after ww2 until about the 70's
That's kinda sad as Canadians know more about US politicians they can't vote for first and foremost.
That's sad dude. We've been operating carriers since the early 40's.
@@drfye We've borrowed/owned a total of 5 since the 40's.
Shocking to think I as a Brit sailor went to war on that Hms Hermes in the early eighties, now 40 years later & now Canadian I shake my head at being just turned 18 going through that experience that did scar me for life.
Awesome video always wanted to learn more about the canadian carriers but info, videos and photos were so hard to find really sad how the caf turn into with the constant budget cut and what the the canadian military used to be liked
Finely someone covered this! amazing work
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@Spencer-e2v I was going to but I forgot 😅 I’m working on other things.
well done very enjoyable to watch instead of doing homework, you just earned yourself a subscriber
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
Thx for that. It's almost as good as a visit to a museum. It seems museums are where Canada's best resides now.
A Canadian carrier with no heaters! Surely, somewhere along the process did not just one person put his hand up and say "wait a minute".
Not at all surprising when one remembers it was only secondarily provided to Canada. Yu must also do some reading about the Flower class Corvettes of which the RCN escorted all those convoys into the N. Atlantic and beyond during WWII. They were not a "dry" ship. Those guys got soaked while on watch, stayed soaked while off watch in cold messes and went back on watch still soaked for endless days of the same at sea.
Greetings from Uruguay!
Very good mini documentary. Great photos and footage, especially those of the storm!
It's good to see this kind of less covered stories. Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!!
Great video, thank you for putting it together
Thank you David!
I've actually done some sheet metal work on the Avenger at the Shearwater Museum.
Definitely worth a visit if you're in the Halifax area!
Great video! Just a small comment, ”The” isn’t needed before the name of Canadian/UK/Aussie/Commonwealth warships, due to the ships prefix at the time, Her Majesty’s (Canadian) Ship.
Thanks for the correction!
His ???
@@qbi4614 At the time Bonaventure was in service the prefix would have been “Her”.
My Dad came home from WW2 on the PUNCHER, always thought she was called HMCS PUNCHER? My best friend went on the Bonaventure and l went marchant marine.
Great Doc! I worked with a guy who served on the Bonnie. He had some crazy stories.
Glad you enjoyed it! And that’s super neat, I’m sure he had a lot of cool stories from his service
My grandfather, Fred Pitt, served on the HMS Nabob when it was torpedoed. He survived and I have the helmet he wore on the Nabob in my man cave. He was a diver.
That’s pretty cool!
My grandfather was on it as well, William Carson Leahy
The CAF and budget cuts. Name a more iconic duo.
That's sound very firmililair! A dutch sun company of shell, named le Caronella, build 9 merchant aircraft carriers (known as Mac vessels) 5 of these sailed under the dutch flag, and 4 under the British. And one of the collosus class ended up with the netherlands, and ended her career in Argentina.
I was on the Bonney in 1969, I was in Sea Cadets and spent 3 days on her, my father was on the Bonney when they brought her over from Ireland. These days with the vast numbers and types of anti ship missiles and drones I think the days of the big ships are numbered, as is the Tank and AFVs, warfare is changing fast very fast.
Drones are the new 'bad boy' on the street.
Tanks are done for. Good thing too. ( we do not have many) and we gave away 4 to the Ukraine.
Not forgotten by our age group.. my old GP was a surgeon on Bonny . My buddy flew for RCN off of Bonny..
A buddy of mine served on the Bonaventure. He was chucked out the navy for smuggling weed aboard when in San Diego. O' the '60's
There is no record of the Bonnie ever being on the Pacific coast. Nor is there any other port city in the world named San Diego.Your buddy has consumed too many tots.
@@creationsFREEMAN More my faulty memory. He crashed on our couch in'70, '71 and my room mate had served with him in the Navy before my roomy switched to the army.
I believed him when he said he got caught on a visit to a USN yard. Norfolk?
Anyway none of us were big totters in those days. We had bigger brains to fry.50 years ago. My bad.
A special arctic operations amphibious warfare ship would be nice to have in enforcing Canadas arctic soverenty as well as being a large scale disaster response vessel. As the arctic warms up and more international ships use the Northwest Passage such a ship could come in handy during a disaster.
We wouldn't even have Leopard tanks if the Carter administration hadn't pressured PET to buy them.....(the leo 1s in 1978)
A lot of countries are moving away from main battle tanks. Infantry support yes, one on one tank no. We see it in Ukraine every day, one guy in a foxhole with a Javelin and there goes a 12 million dollar tank and it's crew.
Same thing is happening again.
The great pity is that Canada has great people in the services, however over the last 30yrs Canada has become the welfare bum of NATO.
Trudeau has even said that he has no intention of meeting his commitment to NATO.. BUT, he and the Liberals are not the only PM and Party to do the same.. But Trudeau is definatly the worst offender, just like his Dad..
From that Turbo train high speed rail to the Avro Aero I strongly have always just figured it’s the wrong ppl in charge, boring untalented hacks. Kind of like the high command
My late uncle (Cécilien Bédard) was on the HMCS Bonaventure then he was on HMCS Skeena and finished on HMCS Fraser as CPO2 (Chief Petty Officer second class).
Many respects 🇨🇦 from 🇬🇧
Even Brazil has a reasonably modern Aircraft Carrier. Time to purchase one of the US' Nuclear powered Carriers....and get it over with.
For what ...an over priced out dated made in the usa slab of scrap ...we can build our own ..designed an built in canada by canadians ...but our government wont allow it ..we had the Avro Arrow an look at what we did to it
@@ColdBloodedAddictions Yes! Amen, brother.....but.....it will never happen. We are building new frigates, Icebreakers, Offshore vessels, polar vessels, and look how long it took to get those contracts awarded. Actually getting the Americans to build a new one FOR us, and get technology offsets, would be cheaper....and the Yanks wouldn't PERMIT any cancellation 60% through construction when the government in Canada invariably changes to Liberal or NDP. Same with some new subs (nuclear, of course) to offset the Chinese and Russian subs in our Arctic.
@@ColdBloodedAddictionstypical garbage comment….
waste of money in a 21st century war, only good for harassing smaller nations during peace time.
@@ColdBloodedAddictions typical Canadian penis envy, I suppose you want to bring back the Ross rifle too?
Magnificent info and photos. Thanks for compiling this. I hope to someday visit the Shearwater Aviation Museum.
Glad you liked it!
Canada really needs to step up.
I had Canadian friends at school as the Bonaventure was at H&W Belfast for a long refit.. I was on board when the Bonny visited Belfast.
Russia is no superpower and has no aircraft carrier at all in reality given the condition and often break down of Kuznetsov and it's infamous tug boats also even it's dry dock couldn't handle it so it is now a sitting rusty piece of junk left to die so theoretically Russia has currently zero carriers
Even while it was operational, it was too small to be considered an aircraft carrier so it was labeled as a heavy vehicle transport ship
great video ,well researched and presented
Might make good premium ships in World of Warships.
The same as what Spain and Australia use would be good for Canada to buy and use these days. Thank you for the video it was GOOD to learn from.
A very good, and very sad video. The Royal Canadian navy: from the 3rd largest navy in the world at the end of WW2, to 2 frigates and a rowboat today. Just shameful.
The 3rd largest didn't mean much. I think they were counting every merchant ship with a 4 pound cannon and some had a single Lee Enfield rifle. We won the war of 1812 because we had more rowboats, natives on our side and Fort Detroit got notified of the war by the pony express. I'm thinking about getting my own rowboat with a pellet gun for my wife, coastal defense of lake Ontario only though. And yes, it's more than shameful
And two old submarines.
We actually have 12 frigates, 12 MCDVs, and four subs, but I agree it's a far cry from what the Navy had even as recent as the 1980s.
@@bootlegga69 AND a rowboat!! 😜 But yeah, I REALLY wish the RCN and RCAF would modernize and grow properly to meet 21st century needs. The recent decision to take the F-35 over the JAS Gripen is another example of messed up thinking: Stealth is not really needed, the ability to fly from our northern airbases (which Fat Amy cannot do) and patrol large areas of our arctic territory IS needed, and in terms of avionics and system integration, the two are comperable, not to mention the Grtipen deal came with manufacturing rights which could help rebuild our formerly robust aerospace industry which brain-drained to NASA after the Avro Arrow was cancelled and gutted.
We haven't needed it in the past few decades. Why spend that money when it's not necessary. I would have thought we'd have more icebreakers since arctic sovereignty was a major issue a few years ago and with the opening of the northwest passage in the next few years.
5:03 Wow. It's amazing that they got her back to port.
They even managed to launch a couple aircraft from the listing deck to help keep the UBoat at bay.
I like the effects, animation and editing you employed. Thanks. 🐿
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
My father served throughout the Second World War starting in 1941 with the Canadian Navy, finishing out on the HMCS Warrior in 1946.
He lied about his age and entered as a 17 year old.
He served on mine sweepers and frigates and saw lots of action.
My dads buddy flew trackers off the Bonny while my dad commanded the HMCS Ojibwa. They would play cat and mouse for a few days/weeks and then end up at the officers mess in Halifax for a good drink. Good old boys.
Haha love it
Good ol trudeaus .. decimated the Canadian military .. and now he’s stuck in India on a 30 plus year old Canadian af airbus.. poetic justice
Never knew this.. great video
I saw one slowly get taken apart in the dock when i passed it, going to work every week. Was a sad sight to see 😢😢
Thank you for this excellent video.
Thank you for the kind words!
I had no idea!!! Thanks for the video
Very enjoyable!
Glad you enjoyed it!
If only we had a PM that took are defence seriously because we havent had one -yet post or pre WW2.-
Edit: correction since Diefenbaker
Not quite true. Prime Minister Louis St. Laurent (1948-1957) was probably our most pro-military PM. Nobody since then has ever cared much or been willing to see the Canadian military get the resources they need to do the job the government wants them to do.
Oh, and may Paul Hellyer burn in hell for eternity for the damage he did as Minister of National Defence.
@@nicholasrusson8978 you are 100% correct thats mb idk why I thought otherwise, Louis St Laurent. Pushed really hard for the Canadian military to stay relevant.
You don't need them
them? you mean a defence industry? lmao @@BaguettePair
@@Canada-_ You have the united states to protect you
I own a navy cap with the name HMCS Bonaventure on it! 😀
How are they forgotten? That's like saying the Arrow is Canada's forgotten interceptor.
I suppose it depends who you ask! For some who are familiar with the subject, they are a clear memory, but many people, including many Canadians, don't even know that Canada had carriers.
@@Historically I didn't know! Thanks for the video
Peut être juste avec la perspective américaine
@@TheMetalheadQC Je suis Canadienne
A common reply to people who want a Canadian aircraft carrier is we don't have the population to support one.
"The Canadian Navy decided that, it was time for Bonadventure, to undergo, her midlife re-fit". Is that anything like, a midlife crisis for people☺️, lol?? Thanks for the enlightenment of Canada's, underexposed, carrier story👍.
We had a frigin aircraft carrier???? Now I really hate politicians!
Canada had three carriers.
Royal Australian Navy also had three carriers.
The Boony’s name means “Good adventure” in French, I think she lived up to that name.
My father serve on the old Bonaventure in the 60's. Maybe 1 day I write a book on it. I like too have a model base on her 1965 configure. There a lot mission Bonaventure did that no one know about what she did. If fact I have too yet see 1 youtuber have info i know about her. My father was technician on her and was not a officer.
I heard Canadians refab their old maple syrup barrels to use for their canoes and dog sledges since those nice people think lengthening their existing police gear will make the thing an "aircraft carrier". Those northerners are so cute.
Yeah, we’ve also started housing police precincts in igloos and using polar bears in canine units
So cute they;'ve always been there when ANYONE needed them. How many times has it worked the other way round?? I'll wait.
Come on.... we use schooners to transport our moose cavalry.
Gotcha.
You completely missed PET's hate on for the Bonnie. It wasn't just budget cuts.
Pet like his son and good friend chretien despites the whole armed forces with massive base closure/ donation and FRP and bad policy to make them look like a joke... cfb winnipeg, cfb rivers, cfb portage la prairie, cfb saint hubert, downview , thunderbay, summerside, edmonton, and many many more ether got donated or mutilated by them
@@Jacks_the_Lab Sarcee barracks, Calgary, Chilliwack, Shearwater, etc.
Interesting , Thank You . I had No idea that Canada had Aircraft Carriers
That Bonaventure fiasco was the real beginning of Canada's governmental process of denuding it's military. Onehas to remember that at the time of Canada's respectable involvement in two world wars and Korea, Trudeau elder, while a university student, was riding a motorcycle around the city of Montreal wearing a German helmet. I was in the RCN in the early 60's on an ERA 7 year contract and had just completed the 39 month classroom/shop training, was a Leading Seaman trade group 3 within a few months of writing for my Petty Officer 2nd class when Hellyer announced Tri-service amalgamation which mean't my original contract was rendered open due to that change. All the senior Chief's and even a few officers seeing the writing on the wall were counselling us to beat feet out of the military post haste - - so I did; along with fully 260 of my fellow engineering ratings. All that expensive trade training went to civvy street and none of us looked back while watching the debacle that became of the RCN. Such a shame it's still going on today.
I was a part of that debacle as well. Got the hell out in disgust.
Interesting. As a Canadian I did not know this.
I always had nothing but respect for our armed forces. We still have the brave soldiers, but they have to be with all the out dated equipment they have work with. Since the 1960's, it seems our governments have decided our country doesn't need an effective armed force. If we were invaded, our armed forces would be fighting with 50 year old junk. An armed forces upgrade now for us would be new tee shirts with a picture of Trudeau on a rainbow flag.
God real Canadians, please vote conservatives in next election. They will be our only last chance for our defense.
Lol the conservatives are no different all politicians have no interest in helping the common person
theres so much shit the conservatives will have to fix, i doubt they will have time to fix the army as well
Damn rights
Fancy technology might be helpful, but if you NEED it in order to be an effective soldier, well, then I’m sorry, but guess what: you’re probably not a very effective soldier.
History shows time and again that you don’t need modern tech to be an effective armed force.
And I hate to break it to you, but if you vote Conservative, you’re voting for a party so stuck in the past and inept that they lost the last election when they could have won it easily. All they had to do was update their platform to address issues people actually care about and capitalize on all the scandals surrounding the Liberals at the time, and it would have been a slam dunk for them, but no! They’re so incompetent that they only thing they could do was fight amongst themselves and throw out the ONE guy who was actually being smart about things because they didn’t like what he was telling them had to be done. And they have NOT CHANGED AT ALL since then. If you think that they have, then I’m sorry, but you are swimming in de Nile, and need to get out.
@@Shadowkey392 🤣🤣, You obviously know nothing about the Military, If your stuck using tech from the 1960s, yeah in the 60s and 70s you wouldve been an effective fighting force, but tactics and tech evolve and become more effective, thats like saying the American army in 1945 werent gpod soldiers beacause they couldent compete with a modern army from 2023
I had absolutely no idea? I believe we're updating some new Cruisers? Thank You!
There have not been a cruiser in the RCN since the mid 1950s.
@@creationsFREEMAN Live and learn, thank you for the interesting tid bit.
Yeah, I heard we’re getting some new ships
It's okay, Canada often forgets it's a sovereign nation too.
My father was on the Bonny, I have many original photos of that storm.
Great video
Thanks!
My Grandma worked in the Vancouver shipyard. I wonder if she worked on or saw the Nabob
They're not forgotten, any Military historian worth their salt knows about those three. And also it is truly a shame that we have fallen to the point we are at when NATO was actually created in 1949, Canada was one of its original members and actually took its security commitment very seriously basically until the liberals came to power under Pierre. Back then Canada truly was a peacekeeper we cared about others and we had the power to do stuff about it. Like Canadian interference in the Suez crisis. Or the fact that while the Cuban missile crisis was occurring the Canadian Navy was at such a reputable and strong state that the United States asked it to patrol its coastline. We are capable of doing this again I believe that Canada needs to have its own base military industry. Just like we have copies of M4 assault rifle and other weapon variants, we should be making our own variations of jets and tanks under patten as well. It would take time and a lot of effort, but we as a nation are more than capable of this. Having a moderate defense industry would also increase this country's jobs and economy. If you're making things of quality other militaries around the world will purchase goods from Canada. So what I'm saying is these increases would be permanent for the most part. The amount of benefits it would bring and the fact that all NATO forces desperately need to re-equip their militaries currently. It's a smart idea.
I’d say it depends who you are, but for the vast majority of people they are forgotten… I didn’t make this video primarily for historians, I made it to teach people who might not be too well versed in military history
@@Historically yeah I know I'm just being a doucher.. the average person has no idea of our former military prestige. The only reason that most Canadians know of our deeds and strength during the first and second world wars is because of our school system and Remembrance Day. They don't go into too much detail on the Cold War period. Which is mostly when these carriers were active for Canada. Aside from a small little section of grade ten history.. but yeah I really enjoyed this video. What do you think about the other part of the comment do you think trying to regain some of our past ability to manufacture military goods at home, is it a good idea?
@@canadianbacon9819 in an ideal world yeah it would be awesome, but undertaking the restarting of Canadian industry to that level would take a lot of time and money.. time and money that the current government is not willing to spend.
@@Historically I agree 100%, it would be a massive operation. The liberals never have being a government for spending on National defense, they have always made cuts and allowed our military and defense industry to stagnant. The only time I've ever seen them put decent effort into it is literally during World Wars when they have no other choice but to spend the money. The world is changing now though perhaps even they will be forced to increase spending with the current geopolitical situation. I wouldn't hold my breath though here's to hope that we can finally right the wrong and get that tool out of office and the conservatives back in for a long time.
If only. But Liberal politicians have downgraded our navy to a sad state.
Im going to keep my eyes open if you cover the mic Mac since my father served on that ship.
My uncle was on the HMCS Puncher.
as a Canadian living in Cape Town at the time, I saw the Bonnie in harbor on its way to India for scrapping. very sad.
You guys are still great the USA loves CANADA
my father was on the Maggie and the Bonnie and so many of these ships he was on the Cape Scott also he spent a lot of time in Bermuda
funny almost a year old and a few people only finding it today like me
GoC: lets refit this carrier for another decade or two of service
also GoC: we spent all this money refitting a carrier, lets get rid of it anyway
the more things change the more they stay the same
very well done thanks
Thank you!
Absolutely
Sigh. I'm retired Canadian army and spent decades poking fun at the other elements. That said, I weep for the sad state of the RCN. As I write this, the UK is shopping around for a buyer for one of its carriers and the Australians are obtaining nuke subs as part of the AUKUS deal. If we were serious about our navy, we'd snap up that carrier and get in on the nuke sub deal. I know this is just a pipe dream, however. I know we can't afford the maintenance on these items.... sigh.
From ex RCN: Glad you came to your senses!
Still photo @ 4:20 isn't an escoret carrier, it's a MAC ship Civilian crew with military lying team aboard.
The photo is from the Shearwater Aviation Museum, who have it labeled as a photo of the HMS Puncher. However it does look like an MAC, so perhaps the photo was mislabeled. Thanks for the correction!
@@Historically I'm glad that you went into some detail about Puncher and Nabob. Despite the fact that that Canada's naval aviation began with that pair, it's not generally known.