Although only getting called generation 4.5, the Typhoon is a great example of what a 5th generation fighter would look like if stealth wasn't an issue and you only cared about brute force and turning fights.
yet what is scary about that, is how the gap between gen 4 and gen 5 is so insanely wide. Where the typhoon is possibly the best of the gen 4's, still doesn't realistically stand a chance against any gen 5. Unless you get a stupid ROE like in vietnam, which heavily resisted range engagements. Thus almost nullfiying the advantages of the f4 with all their missiles.
@@ALegitimateRUclipsr Well let's look at your claim a little closer for a minute, shall we? Germany is currently operating Hensoldt's passive TwinVis Radar which has demonstrated that it has no difficulties tracking F-35s at distances over 250km. A Typhoon armed with 6 A/2A missiles can outrun, out climb, out dive, out accelerate and out turn F=35 all day long. The Typhoon can already carry the MBDA Meteor unlike the F-35 which will have to wait until 2027. So, this leaves the Typhoon with having a much greater weapons range than then F-35. Place both aircraft over Europe, Germany especially, and the F-35 will be certainly and reliably be detected and tracked there! This in turn then allows the German Typhoon(s) to dictate engagement of the F-35 at will. And because of the Typhoons networking capabilities it even enables the Typhoons to engage the F-35 from well outside of the F-35s weapons range! The F-35 on the other hand cannot outrun the Typhoon to get away, and it cannot chase a running Typhoon to close up on it to bring it within the F-35s weapons range. Yeah, stealth is great as long as it works... but acceleration, climb rate, speed, and superior weapons range are also pretty darn great things to have as well.
@@tomwoggle9411 since that’s a ground based radar that would only apply over Germany then correct? If the air war is being fought in your skies you’re already behind the power curve.
I recently went to an air show which saw displays from a Eurofighter Typhoon, an F-16, and a Rafale. While all three were mindblowingly loud, the Eurofighter was noticeably the least loud. And then an F-35 briefly turned up and demonstrated its hover functionality… which proved to be, by far, the loudest noise I’ve ever heard!
@@SouthDunedain I was there. That Paddy O'Hare who flew the Typhoon was so boring. He produced the lamest, most subdued, non-aggressive Typhoon display I have ever seen. The Rafale and F16 pilots, on the other hand, really gave it some.
@@BedtimeStoriesChannel I must admit, I remember being more impressed on other occasions, but equally I've only previously seen the Typhoon display in isolation, so I put it down to that. The paint scheme and display with the Spit made up for it though!
It's up there in terms of practicality, it doesn't seem bloated like the Super Hornet. In terms of just plain coolness you can't beat the B58 Hustler though.
"The center of gravity shifts backwards" No, that is the center of pressure. The center of gravity couldn't care less whether the plane flies above or below the speed of sound.
While I think you are correct, I think it might have just been easier for lay people like myself to understand. Most of us general population have at least a sense of what center of gravity is, but not center of pressure. Not criticising your comment, just postulating that it might not have been a mistake
@@Ryan-lk4pu The matter is also a bit more complicated in some planes. For example in the SR-71, the aerodynamic changes are so great that in order to maintain stability, fuel needs to be pumped to different tanks in the plane depending on speed. This is called "trimming". Thus they do change the center of gravity to reflect the aerodynamic changes, but I doubt this is also necessary in the Typhoon.
I think it would be yet better to refer to centre of lift. Aerodynamic drag has it's own, different, centre of pressure. There must also be a centre of pressure in yaw - which must also move significantly over the aircraft's speed range.
As the aircraft increases its speed, center of pressure/lift moves forward. That makes an aircraft more stable and less maneuverable. So he did a mistake, but in a way that concept is still explained correctly. Only it is not center of gravity moving backwards towards center of pressure, but center of pressure moves forward towards center of gravity
I live in Darwin Australia, and we get many different Military aircraft, just the other day I saw my first Typhoon. B1 Bombers B52's even B2's, seen on regular basis. F15s well basically every aircraft in the US inventory but the F117 and the A10, I have even seen Airforce1. We get to see Mig29's and recently the Japanese J2 for the first time. With a huge Military bombing range. that the sound barrier can be broken over. Currently we have the Pitch Black air exercise in progress.
Love the Eurofighter, though I would have expected the video to be a little more in-depth about the development process. For example France dropping out of the program to develop the Rafale jet or the fact that the Eurofighter originally was supposed to be launched in 1990.
Yes. And also the British Aerospace EAP (Experimental Aircraft Programme) used as a flying platform to research and develop technologies to be used in Eurofighter. The EAP aircraft looks like the Typhoon, canards, delta wing and all, but with a tail fin and engines from the Tornado.
Yeah, I know nothing about this plane, but just the change in the countries developing it, and the arguing over why does what, sounded like a more interesting video to me, but was glossed over in one sentence.
Agreed. I love this plane, but the fact that they had to change the name was always noteworthy. Possible comparisons with the Rafale? This whole episode feels so half-assed. The story about the SAC is especially bad. To paraphrase: I was working next to a jet fighter without ear defenders and it hurt my ears. And?
It's a shame that the French were such backstabbing slimes and stole much of the "innovative designs" that the Rafael "developed" from the Eurofighter design process. You always need to watch your back around the french, else you'll find them on the enemy side using all of your technology to benefit them.
@@Reinforce_Zwei That's is a pretty serious accusation which has no merit nor substance. France did not stole any "Innovative design" from Eurofighter. Rafale end up to be very different compare to Eurofighter design with close coupling canard design (Gripen share the same architecture) versus Eurofighter canard much further away from delta wings. French pull out of the program mainly due to the divergence of the aircraft role. France want a multi-roles aircraft with capability of aircraft carrier operation (Rafale-M). Eurofighter was design from the beginning to be mainly an air superiority fighter (Which is ironic because Eurofighter later began the multirole function upgrade program initiated by UK from 2014). Other considerations such as the use of M88 instead of EJ200, separation of air intakes and hiding of turbines for reduce RCS ultimately means France has to develop its own fighter design. Ultimately, if you want to give such serious accusation. You better back it up with some concrete evidence. What did France stole from Eurofighter? Also keep in mind that Rafale flew before Eurofighter for both prototype and final production aircraft which does not back your statement! If you want to talk about stolen design then the only concrete example will be China J11, J15, J16 copycat of Sukoi 27, 30 and 35.
As someone who has worked in jet engine maintenance for 30 years, I can safely say they are the best and easiest engines to work on in i have come across, in battlefield conditions this aircraft would be back in the air quicker than any other hands down. The f35 on the other hand requires over 10 hours of maintenance per hour of flight, and there are currently over 200 mothballed because the maintenance issues in them are too huge
Is it more expensive than other aircrafts? Everyone seems to complain about that, but given your comment i'd suppose it needs less man-hours, isn't it?
@ It's cheaper, in the long run. Spain's recent acquisition round of the Typhoon came at around 100M per unit compared with Germany's 240M per F-35. These figures are the money governments allocate to their airforces for their respective aircraft projects, so it includes the price of the aircraft and all of the maintenance and spare parts and training.
The last time Eurofighters made the news in Germany was a few weeks ago when a private jet meant to land in Cologne became unresponsive and proceeded across Germany into the baltic sea's airspace (and later into the baltic sea), the German airforce sent two Eurofighters from Rostock to examine and attempt to contact the "ghost plane".
Ah yes, I remember that. The jet pilots didn't see anyone inside and it's assumed the plane had problem keeping air pressure inside at normal and thus the pilot and passengers passed out. Some businessman who owned a flight company and his family were onboard. Everyone sadly died when it ran out of fuel and tumbled into the sea.
The F-15EX has the strongest center box among any fighters worldwide, enabling it to effortlessly handle any G-force at various loads. In my view, the future F15 should leverage the rear cockpit by integrating advanced command computers to replace the weapon officer and command up to eight UCAVs alongside to the battle zone. Furthermore, with additional wing pods at stations 1 and 9, it possesses the capability to carry an enormous weapon payload to the war zone, akin to having R2D2 in the back seat. There are endless technologies embedded into the F15 that may be better than the F35 or the next 6Gen. The F15 will always be the workhorse that can carry massive weapons and now it has technology companions that don't care about G-force maneuvers. Compare: 1 (6 Gen Fighter) vs 1 (F15EX+8 UCAV).
@@xh3598 What does your statement have to do with Happymali's statement? Nothing!!! It makes absolutely zero sense at this point. And how do you know that the F15 has the most stable center box of all fighters? Nobody knows all the data..... except you, of course. lol
One of my teachers at college is an ex-RAF engineer, and he sings this thing’s praise constantly. He has fond memories of it melting runways in Kosovo and Afghanistan.
Love the Typhoon, spent 19 years building and developing sub systems of the Captor radar in Edinburgh. the improvements in the M-scan system over the years were amazing, the new AESA upgrade is a leap forward.
I can vouch for the wall of sheer noise from the Eurofighter. I live and work under RAF Marhams flightpath. Now i know what some of you are thinking "But Eurofighters aren't stationed at Marham", but once a year they have a family day RAF air show at the base, and this year i watched the Red hours skimming the tree's on my drive home past the base which was just out of this world, so much so i almost veered into a hedge lol. When compared to the F35 they are quiet, the F35 is just obnoxiously loud! I didn't think a jet could be louder than the Tornado when coming into land, but i was very, very mistaken. When the F35 goes into VTOL you can hear the engine spool 3 miles away.....
That’s because when landing, a Tornado’s engines are throttled back as it’s trying to fly slowly. Whereas during a vertical landing, an F-35B engine is operating at full, or near full throttle, as it’s mainly the engine thrust that is providing the lift rather than the wings.
The average total cost per flying hour for a (RAF, at least) Typhoon is circa £11k, though take off will also cost £11k. So a 1h flight is £22k, a 2h flight 33k etc.
That's about right. It includes all amortised cost of parts. research development maintenance fuel and training. We can even include cost of sortie in there too such as when a missile is fired.... Goes up a bit then
the price for the F35 includes the cost of design and development costs. Also, comes with missiles and bombs and targeting pods and multiple parts and maintenance training and pilot training. so yeah, buying the other fighter(s) is cheaper upfront then buying the F35. However, maintenance training and pilot training and extra pods and missiles does not come with the purchase. Not to mention no spare parts and no spare engines. The F35 also comes with an extra engine. And the cost per hour is high on the F35 because the cost to keep the stealth fully capable is expensive. When there is just a chip or Crack on paint or panel, the entire section has to be replaced and repainted. And when a tiny tiny tiny gap forms from pulling Gs, that entire section has to be replaced and repainted. That is mostly why the cost per flight hour is so high on the F35.
The Typhoon is impressive. While in Kuwait, the Italian AF would basically give an impromptu airshow demonstration whenever they took off. Absolutely ridiculous how well the plane can manuever.
I live under the landing path of Warton BAE and the sound this thing makes is both incredible and distinctive. They also did stunt work within BAE.its a simply stunning aircraft and something to be proud of
I worked at BAE Warton from 2000 to 2011 and they were amazing times. The flying display rehearsals were very impressive: the vertical climb rate and the low speed manoeuvres with the nose up were my personal favourites. They were noisy when the flight line was there for (I think) 6 and 29 squadrons but were nothing compared to Tornados: they would always make lots of car alarms go off!
I remember the 2016 air France incident. My younger brother was stationed at RAF Coningsby at the time and he face timed me as the typhoons were taking off. Can confirm that those ej200 engines are LOUD, not only after face time with my brother. But also after seeing them at the RAF Coningsby open day in July 2016, performing manoeuvres for the crowds, and at the mach loop in 2017!
having heard the Eurofighter take off and the F35... the F35 is louder! The loudest jets at take off that I have heard were the Concorde.... my house windows vibrated, and the Avro Vulcan
I remember seeing it demonstrated at the RAF Cosford airshow, when they were just coming into service. Must've been about 2004 I think. It was the last display of the day, and me and a school mate were sat on the roof of my dad's car waiting for it... The Typhoon came over at high speed and banked sharply away, briefly turning both lit afterburners towards us. I remember the car physically shook with the noise, it was unbelievable.
I've always had a fondness for the Eurofighter since I was a kid. One of the first PC games I had was a Eurofighter flight sim. I never really understood how advanced it was, or the speed and agility it has.
@@ferdinanddestouches3085 Rafale doesn't even compete with the F22/F35... See how stupid that sounds? Nobody cares if there's a better plane. The Typhoon, Rafale and Raptor are all amazing planes. It's not always about who's best.
@@corvobatarin6785 Sure, nobody cares about the cost, and pressure of a decaying US administration. Just No-one....SO, just let choose the most expensive, the least capable and the one we can't manage to feat to our needs....F-35! expensive, inaccurate, failed without any date for supposed availability, F-15-EX-prefered, in a few words : shitty as fuck! why were Independence class failed? why do the F-22 won't survive B-52? why Zumwalt was such a blatant fail??? Can you ever imagine a shitty as fuck program like F-35 be anytime and anyhow bye successful??? Thanks NATO, the US is still able to buy shitty material.... Thannks to remind us that Nato is just another way to expensively sell european nations useless material....
Around 4:05, you mention, that the aircrafts center of GRAVITY shifts towards the back of the plane. That´s plainly wrong: the center of LIFT moves backwards when crossing the sound barrier, since the aerodynamics changes dramatically when exceeding Mach 0.99, while the weight distribution does not change at all (ignoring minor changes due to fuel consumption). As far as I remember, I already mentioned that effect in a comment concerning the video about the XB-70 Valkyrie...
What you are describing is the center of mass not gravity. Center of mass is kept the same, while aerodynamic load changes shift the center of gravity.
You’re absolutely correct. When it goes supersonic, the aerodynamic center of the aircraft changes due to how supersonic aerodynamics differ from subsonic.
the price for the F35 includes the cost of design and development costs. Also, comes with missiles and bombs and targeting pods and multiple parts and maintenance training and pilot training. so yeah, buying the other fighter(s) is cheaper upfront then buying the F35. However, maintenance training and pilot training and extra pods and missiles does not come with the purchase. Not to mention no spare parts and no spare engines. The F35 also comes with an extra engine. And the cost per hour is high on the F35 because the cost to keep the stealth fully capable is expensive. When there is just a chip or Crack on paint or panel, the entire section has to be replaced and repainted. And when a tiny tiny tiny gap forms from pulling Gs, that entire section has to be replaced and repainted. That is mostly why the cost per flight hour is so high on the F35.
@@actionjksn they don't necessarily add more weight, but they do add more lift (and in turn more drag). this allows them to fly slower, and with higher alpha, making them much more capable in a 1 circle dogfight. they also have better nose authority, making them better in just about every aspect of a dogfight, as they have greater ability to point their nose at their bandit regardless of their direction of travel.
Worked on them for near-on 15 years. The engines are almost bullet proof, ultra reliable. I was fortunate enough to have a back seat trip and it was mind-blowing. It took a while to get going, but there isn’t much that can out perform it now. On exercise in USA, the deciding factor vs F22 was the pilot’s skill.
Can't wait to hear them around my home. For decades I had to endure the Tornado's sound and boy they are loud. The Typhoon has a much more convenient sound in my opinion. And as we speak of the Tornado's and how long they had been in service I have to agree, those planes will be around for a long time.
The F-22 is generally considered the most advanced A2A fighter at the moment due to its wacky thrust-vectoring maneuverability and of course its stealth capabilities. Sneakiness aside however, in joint training exercises the Typhoon is known to be able to hold its own just fine against the F-22 in a dogfight. Stealth tech is a clear advantage but not necessarily a guarantee of victory, and it's not like the Typhoon doesn't have a few solid tricks for reducing its own signature as mentioned in the video. Glad the Typhoon is on our side.
The typhoon was only able to hold its own when it and the raptor had very unrealistic setups that neutralized the raptors greatest features. The raptor had fuel tanks on the wings and lots of fuel which caused it to lose aerobatic maneuverability and stealth. The fights were also WVR fights so stealth was taken away. The eurofighters had nothing except guns and some fuel which meant that this fight with these loadouts would never happen unless the eurofighters left base with no missiles and that means they would just get shot down.
I remember a whole bag of controversies when the EF first came out. Delays, over budget, not certified to lift off when it's hot or cold, not allowed to carry its gun, etc. But I'm really amazed and happy how this machine has shaped up over the years, overcoming all those growing pains and meeting or exceeding expectations. It will be at least two decades until FCAS will see deployment, but I'm hopeful that the ongoing upgrades and refits like the new electronic warfare kit will keep the Eurofighter up to date to meet any upcoming challenges Europe might face.
@@razorburn645 Pretty much; I do remember similar controversies about the F-35 though that project was of course much more expensive. I don't think it has always been this way, but as military hardware becomes ever more advanced and expensive, this is probably the new normal?
I worked the TA ramp at Al Udeid AB in the middle east 15-ish years ago. The RAF stopped by with a squadron of Typhoons and I was stoked. Totally fanboyed out on their jets. The RAF was great and I helped them all I could. What an amazing aircraft and the RAF were fine young lads. Made friends, good times. Love from the USAF.
"Any mission". Whilst working for BAE at Wharton, I remember being in a meeting with the RAF during the early development of EFA, where it was suggested by us that we could provide some Air-to-Ground capability using existing sensors and systems. The response from an RAF member was startling to say the least. They got all red-faced and literally shouted that the EFA would NEVER have any ground attack role. We didn't dare bring the subject up again during my time there. I now look back and laugh. I wonder if there are any Ex-RAF types who remember the meeting? (Worked on EMC, lightning strike and NEMP. Somewhere buried in amongst all the paperwork there is a design for an anti-lightning strike fuel pipe insulator with my name on it)
@@RaderizDorret that was down to the then prime minister Tony Blair cutting back on the defense budget so deciding Typhoons didn't need their cannon. The problem was it altered the set up and made them too unstable to fly. Hence the cannon was put back but with no ammunition.
Helo Simon thank you for another excellent video. It is a pleasure to watch a RUclips video presented by a man who has clearly done his research, knows his technology and presents in clear and eloquent manner. Keep up the great work, we need more people like you on RUclips. Best regards from Western Australia, Clare
Not exactly accurate, similar capabilities in some respects if you call several hundred to a grand "a few quid", however the gyro drift is still an issue with the hobby units at times where it isn't with the mil-grade stuff. I've had serious crashes from gyro drift/wrong compensation from those types of units on my RC gear, including one airplane going completely awol that I never found back. I do also have more advanced stuff though, but on quadcopters using machine vision on a downfacing camera for position hold which is far better than the GPS because of speed and precision.
This is the episode I’ve been waiting for, when I was a kid it was known as Eurofighter 2000. My dad actually worked on the team designing the wings (why he had to move to Spain when I was 6 weeks old).
@@nexpro6118 why do you think this is so unbelievable? Thousands of people worked on the development of that plane over decades. There will be a lot of dads who worked on that thing all over Europe.
Saw a prototype of the Eurofighter fly at Farnborough Air Show back in the early 90's (it was white, with 'EF2000" written on the tail) Absolutely incredible machine!
In fact the definitive prototype rather than production prototypes was the British Aerospace EAP which also flew at the Farnborough Air Show in 1986. It was a public / private venture by BAE to prove the concept.
@@1chish Had to Google that. I must say it looks incredibly close to what I saw at Farnborough; minus 'EF2000' written on the tail. I'm wondering if that's the one I saw? Either way. Incredible aircraft.
4:06 the centre of gravity doesn’t shift. It’s the centre of aerodynamic forces that shifts when passing the speed of sound. The only way to move the centre of gravity of a fighter airplane in flight is to pump fuel around.
The interesting thing about supersonic flight without afterburners was first developed by the British for the EE Lightning in the early 1950s. It was then deployed in the late and lamented TSR-2 and of course Concorde still the ONLY aircraft to fly across the Atlantic at Mach 2 without afterburners. All before the Americans thought they had invented it on the F-22 and gave it the name 'Supercruise'. *Forehead / Palm interface*
I can confirm that the typhoon is incredibly loud, I work along side bae Warton and when they are taking off all phone calls have to be paused as there is no way for you to hear what the other person is saying and all's they can here is a loud thunder while our building shakes. Or when leaving work on a hot day with the roof down in the car you cross the flight path and will be only a few meters under them as they fly over, sometimes going full throttle at that point to do a go around.
5th Gen, not 6th. 5th Gen planes are not in regular service in any military service right now outside the US (with some aircraft being introduced into the Chinese, Russian and UK airforces). 6th Gen is some way off just yet ;)
@@adameccles1334 I watched a documentary about a month ago saying they were working on them. If 5th gen exist anywhere in the world, and another country makes a more advanced plane than the 5th gen. That is a 6th gen they are working on
@@xXTUCXx1 as with all generation nomenclature it is highly misleading. 6th gen by most definitions won't be about the aircraft at all it will be about the ability of integrated theatre operations, in essence that target aquisition, tracking and weapons can be shared across all air assets in an area, most often including unmanned support units. The jet with the pilot could still be an F-16 for all the system cares. So the goal for the jet is 5th gen, the capabilities of 6th gen are in the software shared between all air assets.
I live really close to RAF Lossiemouth, these jets are really cool to see up close. Sometimes they take off and instantly go vertical, noisy is an understatement
Do they still take off over Duffus Castle? Remember watching Tornados fly from there years ago doing touch and go training. It used to be a popular spot for plane spotters.
Worked in the Typhoon Propulsion Servicing Facility (Engine Bay) at RAF Coningsby for 4 years in the E.F.D.C. department. Engines were tough old birds apart from the Italian parts of the reheat system, that were prone to cracking and failing until modded, but easy ish to replace.
I did an internship at MTU once and they just happened to run a test with these engines and theyre so loud. I could feel the engine running, its incredible.
A Center of Gravity shifting backwards would mean the aicraft would crash by trying to turn itself backwards. You must have confused with the Center of Lift or Pressure. In other words, at lower speeds, the Center of Mass is behind the Center of Lift where it shouldn't be, hence the instability and the computer controlled craft. The craft is designed to have a CoM and CoL close to eachother at supersonic speed to ensure the most manuverability possible.
The intimidation factor of a loud show of force flyby maneuver can be effective. No ordnance payload, fire mission or airspace treaty violations required.
The story about the engineer who forgot his air defenders felt like filler to me. It would have been nice to hear more about the development of the aircraft.
Intresting that Simon put out a Video about the Eurofighter Typhoon on the same day as the Airpower 2022 was here in Austria the largest Air Show here in Europe.
Heard them blasting overhead a few times when the QRA crew from neuburg in Bavaria was sent up. One time they flew directly over the part of the city where I was at the time, you should've seen the panic on people's faces when the boom hit hahahaha never got to actually see them tho, sadly. Did see two tornados fly over my house tho, flying so low that I could make out every little detail. Training flight, my guess would be IADS penetration, as those guys got the job of delivering nukes when the time comes. That made my little aviation nerd brain very very happy. Also saw a Chinook fly over the house once. Those things are fucking massive.
Number of years ago I was working as contractor at coningsby when a typhoon was doing the qra practice with afterburner going in steep climb. I had very good quality air port ear defenders and high quality ear plugs in and it was still very noisy. Felt like I was wearing no ear protection at all. Although apparently the yanks planes make more noise or they are allowed to make more noise.
Yeah I'm sorry but I cant't even guess at the name of the place the first Eurofighter took off. It's Manching, Bavaria. Not sure why Simon said Mancheching or something similar.
Lu cars and con Ings be. I agree. Leuchars is easy to mipronouce but why cone is added to conningsby l have no idea. As a 12 year old I was driven to Leuchars by my mum in the Fiat 600 multiple. The gearbox failed. We stopped and bought Lucasaide in the hope it might help us get there. It didn't. Why did anyone drink that muck?
This is truly a beautiful machine. It’s getting even better. With the new Captor E AESA radar and more advanced systems, this fighter just got sharper teeth
I mean, the division of fighter jets into 'generations' was invented by the marketing department of Lockheed Martin; it's not too surprising that it doesn't accurately reflect the balance of different multirole fighters, and the Typhoon (and Rafale, for that matter) are far more than just European F-16 equivalents, which their categorisation as 'fourth generation' fighters would have you believe.
@@rjfaber1991 Which is why Eurofighters are usually referred to as "4.5 gen." It really does come down to stealth, which is why the Eurofighter can't be on the same level as the F-22 or F-35.
I'm not even taking the P$ss But I genuinely would like a mega(or side) projects on Simons YT channels. After starting with mega projects and watching everything from Geographics to into the shadows. I'd like to hear about how it all started and the writers/team behind all the channels 😁😆
You are somewhat overselling the multirole capability of the EF2000. The Eurofighter was originally a pure fighter. Air-to-ground capabilities were added later. This still makes it suboptimal in the A2G role. The targeting pod can only by fitted on the central hardpoint. This is one of the 3 wet points for droptanks. So the EF can only carry 2 droptanks and a pod. Secondly, the landing gear folds into the wing behind the inner wing hardpoints. As a result long weapons like cruise missiles and anti-shipmissiles can't be carried on these stations. They have to be fitted to either the central hardpoint or the 2 wet hardpoints on the wing. Again, this means that you can't carry 3 droptanks plus large missiles. The French Rafale on the other hand was intended as an omnirole aircraft from the start and it shows. It has 5 wet points. It has a special hardpoint to attach the targeting pod. This all means that the Rafale CAN carry 3 droptanks plus a pod and bombs or 3 tanks and AShM or cruise ALCM. The EF2000 is likely a bit better in the A2A role than the Rafale but the Rafale is a better A2G platform.
WTF?!? Simon actually said “pounds force of thrust” instead of “pound feet of thrust.” Did hell just freeze over?!? 😆 It’s such a long-awaited improvement that the jury is happy to overlook conflating the center of gravity with the center of lift. Baby steps, Simon. Baby steps.
Um. Pounds Feet is a measure of torque. Thrust is measured either in newtons (force) or "pounds force" which is based on the force (in newtons) that x pounds of mass exerts on a surface due to gravity.
In Germany and Austria, Eurofighter pilots wear Libelle flight suits, which are hydraulic instead of pneumatic and allow for even more extreme G forces. Also, Pirate can network with IRIS missiles, enhancing the planes overall detection and targeting capabilities. IRIS is an impressive piece of hardware and probably worth its own video, the politics behind its development are also quite interesting. As soon as the aircraft powers up, the missiles' sensor heads constantly scan the environment, visibly tracking any heat source they can find. Which is probably you if you're the strongest heat source in the vicinity. Having those things follow you around as you walk in front of the plane is kinda unnerving...
I thought you should have included the fact that the French pulled out and went on to develop the Rafael. Which looks awfully similar to the Typhoon lol
@@hondansx1000 though these days, "visual range" is a very long way, thanks to the optical targeting systems used. A pilot's Mk 1 eyeball is a very redundant feature!
I worked at BAE for a spell, was awesome to see them around and about at the site at Warton. I worked in software so didn't work on them but stil felt special to see them
@@Beshman12 why so angry? Lol. My post implied that many say they have and I used your post to comment because its closely relative to my comment.....or was that too hard to put together?
I have to say I favor the Typhoon over the Rafale on the basis that the former looks more like a fighter and the latter looks like a mutant. There's a saying that if it looks right it flies right.
Though to be fair, Raptor had / has a lot in its favour, one of the main reasons being that it was completed. For a long time, the French could offer Rafale into the market place, complete with all manner of munitions for all manner of roles, land and carrier based variants. It was a finished product, ready to go, available on short timescales. Whereas Typhoon had a finished airframe but they hadn't finished all the weapon systems development and integration. It was not the finished article that the Rafale was. Sometimes, part of "finishing" Typhoon meant hoping for a wealthy nation like Saudi Arabia to place an order, to fund it. So that was the difference; the French were far more dedicated to funding their own programme than the Eurofighter consortium partners were. That's the problem with multi-nation developments; it's very difficult to get all the funding governments to actually fund it, especially if some of them get lax because they don't share the same military ambitions as the others. Look at Germany vs the UK, in the Typhoon consortium. Following the collapse of the USSR, they generally settled down to spending less and less on defence, and had no ambitions for ops abroad, so they saw no need to hurry anything. Whereas the UK has had a different attitude to ops abroad, and more need of the finished aircraft. Of course, what Germany has now found out is that decades of taking it easy on defence suddenly looks like a bad idea when Russia comes close to taking over the country nextdoor-but-one....
$100,000 an hour is bull, no jet in the world comes close to that prize for flying per hour, maybe $27,000 or $30,000? but not $100,000 no way! someone added a lot of extra coasts to get $100,000 per hour.
Really good video. The lack of true stealth may be a problem for the typhoon in the future. But upgrades like the new captor E radar and the metior air-to-air missile, should keep the typhoon in service well into the 2040s
Only jet that gives the f22 a run for its money in a 1v1 knifefight, some people say that rafale can also but its simply not true and has been proven, the rafale can survive by jamming and running away but thats it. Its an good dogfighter but its not as good as the EF or the F22.
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Although only getting called generation 4.5, the Typhoon is a great example of what a 5th generation fighter would look like if stealth wasn't an issue and you only cared about brute force and turning fights.
yet what is scary about that, is how the gap between gen 4 and gen 5 is so insanely wide. Where the typhoon is possibly the best of the gen 4's, still doesn't realistically stand a chance against any gen 5. Unless you get a stupid ROE like in vietnam, which heavily resisted range engagements. Thus almost nullfiying the advantages of the f4 with all their missiles.
@@ALegitimateRUclipsr Well let's look at your claim a little closer for a minute, shall we?
Germany is currently operating Hensoldt's passive TwinVis Radar which has demonstrated that it has no difficulties tracking F-35s at distances over 250km.
A Typhoon armed with 6 A/2A missiles can outrun, out climb, out dive, out accelerate and out turn F=35 all day long.
The Typhoon can already carry the MBDA Meteor unlike the F-35 which will have to wait until 2027. So, this leaves the Typhoon with having a much greater weapons range than then F-35.
Place both aircraft over Europe, Germany especially, and the F-35 will be certainly and reliably be detected and tracked there!
This in turn then allows the German Typhoon(s) to dictate engagement of the F-35 at will. And because of the Typhoons networking capabilities it even enables the Typhoons to engage the F-35 from well outside of the F-35s weapons range!
The F-35 on the other hand cannot outrun the Typhoon to get away, and it cannot chase a running Typhoon to close up on it to bring it within the F-35s weapons range.
Yeah, stealth is great as long as it works... but acceleration, climb rate, speed, and superior weapons range are also pretty darn great things to have as well.
@@tomwoggle9411 good thing the f22 does our air superiority
@@tomwoggle9411 Good thing they are both on the same side then.
@@tomwoggle9411 since that’s a ground based radar that would only apply over Germany then correct? If the air war is being fought in your skies you’re already behind the power curve.
I recently went to an air show which saw displays from a Eurofighter Typhoon, an F-16, and a Rafale. While all three were mindblowingly loud, the Eurofighter was noticeably the least loud. And then an F-35 briefly turned up and demonstrated its hover functionality… which proved to be, by far, the loudest noise I’ve ever heard!
Was that RIAT by any chance?
@@maximnolan8151 Cosford. :)
@@SouthDunedain I was there. That Paddy O'Hare who flew the Typhoon was so boring. He produced the lamest, most subdued, non-aggressive Typhoon display I have ever seen. The Rafale and F16 pilots, on the other hand, really gave it some.
@@BedtimeStoriesChannel I must admit, I remember being more impressed on other occasions, but equally I've only previously seen the Typhoon display in isolation, so I put it down to that. The paint scheme and display with the Spit made up for it though!
@@SouthDunedain I do like the colours, but Paddy did not push his Typhoon whatsoever. He went for a more "graceful" display.
This jet has a special place in my heart since when i was young my father made some of the software for it :)
Nice. My mate's Dad built some of the avionics :)
It's up there in terms of practicality, it doesn't seem bloated like the Super Hornet. In terms of just plain coolness you can't beat the B58 Hustler though.
My brother in law also worked on it and is still involved with the project.
After my pop-pop passed away my dad found a letter of commendation for “being instrumental in the development of the engines for the XF-15 program”.
My dad was the chef at the factory and he has a letter saying his cooking is the best
"The center of gravity shifts backwards"
No, that is the center of pressure. The center of gravity couldn't care less whether the plane flies above or below the speed of sound.
While I think you are correct, I think it might have just been easier for lay people like myself to understand.
Most of us general population have at least a sense of what center of gravity is, but not center of pressure.
Not criticising your comment, just postulating that it might not have been a mistake
@@Ryan-lk4pu The matter is also a bit more complicated in some planes. For example in the SR-71, the aerodynamic changes are so great that in order to maintain stability, fuel needs to be pumped to different tanks in the plane depending on speed. This is called "trimming". Thus they do change the center of gravity to reflect the aerodynamic changes, but I doubt this is also necessary in the Typhoon.
@@Ryan-lk4pu there's no point in being easy to understand if you're wrong. (Man it's hard to be polite sometimes, how can you be such a fool?).
I think it would be yet better to refer to centre of lift. Aerodynamic drag has it's own, different, centre of pressure. There must also be a centre of pressure in yaw - which must also move significantly over the aircraft's speed range.
As the aircraft increases its speed, center of pressure/lift moves forward. That makes an aircraft more stable and less maneuverable. So he did a mistake, but in a way that concept is still explained correctly. Only it is not center of gravity moving backwards towards center of pressure, but center of pressure moves forward towards center of gravity
I live in Darwin Australia, and we get many different Military aircraft, just the other day I saw my first Typhoon. B1 Bombers B52's even B2's, seen on regular basis. F15s well basically every aircraft in the US inventory but the F117 and the A10, I have even seen Airforce1. We get to see Mig29's and recently the Japanese J2 for the first time. With a huge Military bombing range. that the sound barrier can be broken over. Currently we have the Pitch Black air exercise in progress.
Our indian Su-30 MKI are also there for pitch black.
I'm sure that port that's leased to China is also enjoying the planes 😁
With Pitch Black '22 going on at the moment, I'm jealous I'm on the other side of the country
At least there is something cool about living in Darwin!
That sounds brilliant! Lucky man 👍
Love the Eurofighter, though I would have expected the video to be a little more in-depth about the development process. For example France dropping out of the program to develop the Rafale jet or the fact that the Eurofighter originally was supposed to be launched in 1990.
Yes. And also the British Aerospace EAP (Experimental Aircraft Programme) used as a flying platform to research and develop technologies to be used in Eurofighter. The EAP aircraft looks like the Typhoon, canards, delta wing and all, but with a tail fin and engines from the Tornado.
Yeah, I know nothing about this plane, but just the change in the countries developing it, and the arguing over why does what, sounded like a more interesting video to me, but was glossed over in one sentence.
Agreed. I love this plane, but the fact that they had to change the name was always noteworthy. Possible comparisons with the Rafale?
This whole episode feels so half-assed. The story about the SAC is especially bad. To paraphrase: I was working next to a jet fighter without ear defenders and it hurt my ears. And?
It's a shame that the French were such backstabbing slimes and stole much of the "innovative designs" that the Rafael "developed" from the Eurofighter design process.
You always need to watch your back around the french, else you'll find them on the enemy side using all of your technology to benefit them.
@@Reinforce_Zwei That's is a pretty serious accusation which has no merit nor substance. France did not stole any "Innovative design" from Eurofighter. Rafale end up to be very different compare to Eurofighter design with close coupling canard design (Gripen share the same architecture) versus Eurofighter canard much further away from delta wings.
French pull out of the program mainly due to the divergence of the aircraft role. France want a multi-roles aircraft with capability of aircraft carrier operation (Rafale-M). Eurofighter was design from the beginning to be mainly an air superiority fighter (Which is ironic because Eurofighter later began the multirole function upgrade program initiated by UK from 2014).
Other considerations such as the use of M88 instead of EJ200, separation of air intakes and hiding of turbines for reduce RCS ultimately means France has to develop its own fighter design.
Ultimately, if you want to give such serious accusation. You better back it up with some concrete evidence. What did France stole from Eurofighter? Also keep in mind that Rafale flew before Eurofighter for both prototype and final production aircraft which does not back your statement!
If you want to talk about stolen design then the only concrete example will be China J11, J15, J16 copycat of Sukoi 27, 30 and 35.
As someone who has worked in jet engine maintenance for 30 years, I can safely say they are the best and easiest engines to work on in i have come across, in battlefield conditions this aircraft would be back in the air quicker than any other hands down. The f35 on the other hand requires over 10 hours of maintenance per hour of flight, and there are currently over 200 mothballed because the maintenance issues in them are too huge
Will we see the return off the harrier aha ;)
Would love to see a Gripen with EJ200 tbh
Is it more expensive than other aircrafts? Everyone seems to complain about that, but given your comment i'd suppose it needs less man-hours, isn't it?
Much of that maintenance is spent on the stealth coating. The ceramic replacements being tested should eliminate most of that.
@ It's cheaper, in the long run. Spain's recent acquisition round of the Typhoon came at around 100M per unit compared with Germany's 240M per F-35. These figures are the money governments allocate to their airforces for their respective aircraft projects, so it includes the price of the aircraft and all of the maintenance and spare parts and training.
The last time Eurofighters made the news in Germany was a few weeks ago when a private jet meant to land in Cologne became unresponsive and proceeded across Germany into the baltic sea's airspace (and later into the baltic sea), the German airforce sent two Eurofighters from Rostock to examine and attempt to contact the "ghost plane".
Ah yes, I remember that. The jet pilots didn't see anyone inside and it's assumed the plane had problem keeping air pressure inside at normal and thus the pilot and passengers passed out. Some businessman who owned a flight company and his family were onboard. Everyone sadly died when it ran out of fuel and tumbled into the sea.
The F-15EX has the strongest center box among any fighters worldwide, enabling it to effortlessly handle any G-force at various loads. In my view, the future F15 should leverage the rear cockpit by integrating advanced command computers to replace the weapon officer and command up to eight UCAVs alongside to the battle zone. Furthermore, with additional wing pods at stations 1 and 9, it possesses the capability to carry an enormous weapon payload to the war zone, akin to having R2D2 in the back seat. There are endless technologies embedded into the F15 that may be better than the F35 or the next 6Gen. The F15 will always be the workhorse that can carry massive weapons and now it has technology companions that don't care about G-force maneuvers. Compare: 1 (6 Gen Fighter) vs 1 (F15EX+8 UCAV).
@@xh3598 What does your statement have to do with Happymali's statement? Nothing!!! It makes absolutely zero sense at this point. And how do you know that the F15 has the most stable center box of all fighters? Nobody knows all the data..... except you, of course. lol
@@gerhardma4687 it's a bot, probably russian, to stir up shit and divide
@@RminusORwhy would it be russian? its literally supporting the usa. russia isnt the only place with propaganda.
One of my teachers at college is an ex-RAF engineer, and he sings this thing’s praise constantly. He has fond memories of it melting runways in Kosovo and Afghanistan.
The Typhoon wasn't deployed to Kosovo
@Orbital_Inclination just looked it up and you right, I must've confused his Afghanistan stories with his Kosovo ones.
Maybe he was talking about Tornado.
Love the Typhoon, spent 19 years building and developing sub systems of the Captor radar in Edinburgh. the improvements in the M-scan system over the years were amazing, the new AESA upgrade is a leap forward.
Where did you build that?
@@DonWan47probably bae systems in Glasgow but not to sure I think he can only say a few things because he was working in a classified facility
@@Jakob.n.h180 No it’s not classified.
I can vouch for the wall of sheer noise from the Eurofighter. I live and work under RAF Marhams flightpath. Now i know what some of you are thinking "But Eurofighters aren't stationed at Marham", but once a year they have a family day RAF air show at the base, and this year i watched the Red hours skimming the tree's on my drive home past the base which was just out of this world, so much so i almost veered into a hedge lol.
When compared to the F35 they are quiet, the F35 is just obnoxiously loud! I didn't think a jet could be louder than the Tornado when coming into land, but i was very, very mistaken. When the F35 goes into VTOL you can hear the engine spool 3 miles away.....
That’s because when landing, a Tornado’s engines are throttled back as it’s trying to fly slowly. Whereas during a vertical landing, an F-35B engine is operating at full, or near full throttle, as it’s mainly the engine thrust that is providing the lift rather than the wings.
They’re frequently taking off and landing at BAE Warton and it always seems to be a day I want a lie in.
The average total cost per flying hour for a (RAF, at least) Typhoon is circa £11k, though take off will also cost £11k. So a 1h flight is £22k, a 2h flight 33k etc.
Hi , please may i ask, does this include all the staffs wages and also the fuel?
That's about right. It includes all amortised cost of parts. research development maintenance fuel and training. We can even include cost of sortie in there too such as when a missile is fired.... Goes up a bit then
the price for the F35 includes the cost of design and development costs. Also, comes with missiles and bombs and targeting pods and multiple parts and maintenance training and pilot training. so yeah, buying the other fighter(s) is cheaper upfront then buying the F35. However, maintenance training and pilot training and extra pods and missiles does not come with the purchase. Not to mention no spare parts and no spare engines. The F35 also comes with an extra engine. And the cost per hour is high on the F35 because the cost to keep the stealth fully capable is expensive. When there is just a chip or Crack on paint or panel, the entire section has to be replaced and repainted. And when a tiny tiny tiny gap forms from pulling Gs, that entire section has to be replaced and repainted. That is mostly why the cost per flight hour is so high on the F35.
That price includes the shit ton of fuel these things consume. That's expensive too these days.
In case of war, I can support a 1h:45m flight with my bank account
The Typhoon is impressive. While in Kuwait, the Italian AF would basically give an impromptu airshow demonstration whenever they took off. Absolutely ridiculous how well the plane can manuever.
I live under the landing path of Warton BAE and the sound this thing makes is both incredible and distinctive.
They also did stunt work within BAE.its a simply stunning aircraft and something to be proud of
I sit in the office on the runway and it’s deafening!
I live in preston near Warton an agree the thing is deafening, when they fly over you can put the TV on max volume and still only hear the jet!
I worked at BAE Warton from 2000 to 2011 and they were amazing times. The flying display rehearsals were very impressive: the vertical climb rate and the low speed manoeuvres with the nose up were my personal favourites. They were noisy when the flight line was there for (I think) 6 and 29 squadrons but were nothing compared to Tornados: they would always make lots of car alarms go off!
I really envy you.I live here in the American state of Connecticut and unless I go on a trip,doubt I will ever see one.
I remember the 2016 air France incident. My younger brother was stationed at RAF Coningsby at the time and he face timed me as the typhoons were taking off. Can confirm that those ej200 engines are LOUD, not only after face time with my brother. But also after seeing them at the RAF Coningsby open day in July 2016, performing manoeuvres for the crowds, and at the mach loop in 2017!
having heard the Eurofighter take off and the F35... the F35 is louder! The loudest jets at take off that I have heard were the Concorde.... my house windows vibrated, and the Avro Vulcan
@@adriaandeleeuw8339 b1s, f111s, and b52s
@@usonumabeach300 Australia had its own F111s the F111C
there is a B52 and an F111c on static display at the Darwin Aircraft museum
I remember seeing it demonstrated at the RAF Cosford airshow, when they were just coming into service. Must've been about 2004 I think. It was the last display of the day, and me and a school mate were sat on the roof of my dad's car waiting for it... The Typhoon came over at high speed and banked sharply away, briefly turning both lit afterburners towards us. I remember the car physically shook with the noise, it was unbelievable.
I've always had a fondness for the Eurofighter since I was a kid. One of the first PC games I had was a Eurofighter flight sim. I never really understood how advanced it was, or the speed and agility it has.
Doesn't even compete with the Rafale...Get back to Sonic...
I also played EF2000 from DID! The game, the jet, the MANUAL. Memories
@@ferdinanddestouches3085 Rafale doesn't even compete with the F22/F35... See how stupid that sounds?
Nobody cares if there's a better plane. The Typhoon, Rafale and Raptor are all amazing planes. It's not always about who's best.
@@ferdinanddestouches3085 typical french arrogance, that's why the germans beat the hell out of you in WWII.
@@corvobatarin6785 Sure, nobody cares about the cost, and pressure of a decaying US administration. Just No-one....SO, just let choose the most expensive, the least capable and the one we can't manage to feat to our needs....F-35! expensive, inaccurate, failed without any date for supposed availability, F-15-EX-prefered, in a few words : shitty as fuck!
why were Independence class failed? why do the F-22 won't survive B-52? why Zumwalt was such a blatant fail???
Can you ever imagine a shitty as fuck program like F-35 be anytime and anyhow bye successful???
Thanks NATO, the US is still able to buy shitty material....
Thannks to remind us that Nato is just another way to expensively sell european nations useless material....
Around 4:05, you mention, that the aircrafts center of GRAVITY shifts towards the back of the plane. That´s plainly wrong: the center of LIFT moves backwards when crossing the sound barrier, since the aerodynamics changes dramatically when exceeding Mach 0.99, while the weight distribution does not change at all (ignoring minor changes due to fuel consumption). As far as I remember, I already mentioned that effect in a comment concerning the video about the XB-70 Valkyrie...
Other than fuel consummation it is impossible for ballast/weight to physically move across an airframe.
What you are describing is the center of mass not gravity. Center of mass is kept the same, while aerodynamic load changes shift the center of gravity.
You’re absolutely correct. When it goes supersonic, the aerodynamic center of the aircraft changes due to how supersonic aerodynamics differ from subsonic.
I read this.
Thank you, I was about the point that out myself.
Cheaper to run per hour than some soccer players in England.
And footballers don't even run that fast. And they only operate about 90 minutes per week. And they like to eat grass as much as cows.
More useful as well 😆
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 plus their teams defence is FAR superior ..........
Probably break down less as well.
the price for the F35 includes the cost of design and development costs. Also, comes with missiles and bombs and targeting pods and multiple parts and maintenance training and pilot training. so yeah, buying the other fighter(s) is cheaper upfront then buying the F35. However, maintenance training and pilot training and extra pods and missiles does not come with the purchase. Not to mention no spare parts and no spare engines. The F35 also comes with an extra engine. And the cost per hour is high on the F35 because the cost to keep the stealth fully capable is expensive. When there is just a chip or Crack on paint or panel, the entire section has to be replaced and repainted. And when a tiny tiny tiny gap forms from pulling Gs, that entire section has to be replaced and repainted. That is mostly why the cost per flight hour is so high on the F35.
absolutely stunning aircraft and my personal favorite
cannot wait to fly it in DCS
Or war thunder
I love jets with canards! They're cool+ more lift developing surfaces? Yes please
They add more drag and weight plus hurt stealth ability.
@@actionjksn they don't necessarily add more weight, but they do add more lift (and in turn more drag). this allows them to fly slower, and with higher alpha, making them much more capable in a 1 circle dogfight. they also have better nose authority, making them better in just about every aspect of a dogfight, as they have greater ability to point their nose at their bandit regardless of their direction of travel.
Same!
They aren’t canards. They are foreplanes. There is a difference. 👍
Worked on them for near-on 15 years. The engines are almost bullet proof, ultra reliable. I was fortunate enough to have a back seat trip and it was mind-blowing. It took a while to get going, but there isn’t much that can out perform it now. On exercise in USA, the deciding factor vs F22 was the pilot’s skill.
A European engine with reliability? I didn't think that had happened since the 70's
@@chrispekel5709this isn’t a car engine, European aircraft engines are some of the most reliable engines on the market
Yeah!
Yet another jet fighter!
We're all suckers for those!
👏👏
Cannot wait for 2035 video on Tempest :D
Heck yeah!
Can't wait to hear them around my home. For decades I had to endure the Tornado's sound and boy they are loud. The Typhoon has a much more convenient sound in my opinion. And as we speak of the Tornado's and how long they had been in service I have to agree, those planes will be around for a long time.
The F-22 is generally considered the most advanced A2A fighter at the moment due to its wacky thrust-vectoring maneuverability and of course its stealth capabilities. Sneakiness aside however, in joint training exercises the Typhoon is known to be able to hold its own just fine against the F-22 in a dogfight. Stealth tech is a clear advantage but not necessarily a guarantee of victory, and it's not like the Typhoon doesn't have a few solid tricks for reducing its own signature as mentioned in the video. Glad the Typhoon is on our side.
The typhoon was only able to hold its own when it and the raptor had very unrealistic setups that neutralized the raptors greatest features. The raptor had fuel tanks on the wings and lots of fuel which caused it to lose aerobatic maneuverability and stealth. The fights were also WVR fights so stealth was taken away. The eurofighters had nothing except guns and some fuel which meant that this fight with these loadouts would never happen unless the eurofighters left base with no missiles and that means they would just get shot down.
I remember a whole bag of controversies when the EF first came out. Delays, over budget, not certified to lift off when it's hot or cold, not allowed to carry its gun, etc. But I'm really amazed and happy how this machine has shaped up over the years, overcoming all those growing pains and meeting or exceeding expectations.
It will be at least two decades until FCAS will see deployment, but I'm hopeful that the ongoing upgrades and refits like the new electronic warfare kit will keep the Eurofighter up to date to meet any upcoming challenges Europe might face.
So basically what happens when any new jet is introduced?
@@razorburn645 Pretty much; I do remember similar controversies about the F-35 though that project was of course much more expensive.
I don't think it has always been this way, but as military hardware becomes ever more advanced and expensive, this is probably the new normal?
I worked the TA ramp at Al Udeid AB in the middle east 15-ish years ago. The RAF stopped by with a squadron of Typhoons and I was stoked. Totally fanboyed out on their jets. The RAF was great and I helped them all I could. What an amazing aircraft and the RAF were fine young lads. Made friends, good times. Love from the USAF.
I was the AGE (aerospace ground equipment) guy, ground support, driver on the flightline, covering TA, (Falcon Dispatch) incase anyone is curious. ;)
Never been on a plane in my life, let alone a fighter jet.. but I feel like that's part of what peaks my interest of aviation, military and public👌
Air Force needs fighter pilots. Must be able to swim a mile in a flight suit and have a bachelor's degree of any kind.
Helicopter is better anyways
"Any mission". Whilst working for BAE at Wharton, I remember being in a meeting with the RAF during the early development of EFA, where it was suggested by us that we could provide some Air-to-Ground capability using existing sensors and systems. The response from an RAF member was startling to say the least. They got all red-faced and literally shouted that the EFA would NEVER have any ground attack role. We didn't dare bring the subject up again during my time there.
I now look back and laugh.
I wonder if there are any Ex-RAF types who remember the meeting?
(Worked on EMC, lightning strike and NEMP. Somewhere buried in amongst all the paperwork there is a design for an anti-lightning strike fuel pipe insulator with my name on it)
The RAF had the mosquito in WW2.
Since then every RAF aircraft must be multi role.
Ahh EMC, that's my field too (mainly automotive though) and what a dark art it can be.
That anti-lightning strike fuel pipe insulator design was pure class.
Didn't the RAF also try to get the cannons removed from their Typhoons for a while?
@@RaderizDorret that was down to the then prime minister Tony Blair cutting back on the defense budget so deciding Typhoons didn't need their cannon.
The problem was it altered the set up and made them too unstable to fly.
Hence the cannon was put back but with no ammunition.
@4:05 fairly sure that it’s the centre of lift that shifts and not the centre of gravity
The Tempest Project, would be an intresting video its intended to be the UKs 6th Generation fighter and a replacement for the Typhoon
It’s not really a replacement more something to work with to euro as it will perform more like the f35
The British and Spanish typhoon demo teams were in Portugal this July for an airshow, I can confirm, they make our f-16s seem quiet in comparison.
Helo Simon thank you for another excellent video. It is a pleasure to watch a RUclips video presented by a man who has clearly done his research, knows his technology and presents in clear and eloquent manner. Keep up the great work, we need more people like you on RUclips. Best regards from Western Australia, Clare
Great vid as always! 😁
One small thing Leuchars is pronouced Lookers 😁
And it's "KONN-INGS-BEE" as well.
not to mention leuchars was passed off to the army years ago... now lossiemouth handles qra for scotland
Lookers? No it's not, it's a ch from the back of the throat. English folk have difficulty with that.
At 10:36... The QRA teams are actually based at RAF Lossiemouth for Northern and RAF Coningsby for Sothern.
The control units these guys were dealing with when designing the airframe is what a hobbyist can grab for a few quid today, I'm wondering whats next.
Not exactly accurate, similar capabilities in some respects if you call several hundred to a grand "a few quid", however the gyro drift is still an issue with the hobby units at times where it isn't with the mil-grade stuff. I've had serious crashes from gyro drift/wrong compensation from those types of units on my RC gear, including one airplane going completely awol that I never found back. I do also have more advanced stuff though, but on quadcopters using machine vision on a downfacing camera for position hold which is far better than the GPS because of speed and precision.
This is the episode I’ve been waiting for, when I was a kid it was known as Eurofighter 2000. My dad actually worked on the team designing the wings (why he had to move to Spain when I was 6 weeks old).
EF2000 still gets used, in Germany at least but maybe others.
Yeah....well, my dad is batman
@@nexpro6118 why do you think this is so unbelievable? Thousands of people worked on the development of that plane over decades. There will be a lot of dads who worked on that thing all over Europe.
General Jumper said on the frequent comparisons, it and the F22 were like comparing F1 and NASCAR, they’re both designed to do two different things.
Saw a prototype of the Eurofighter fly at Farnborough Air Show back in the early 90's (it was white, with 'EF2000" written on the tail)
Absolutely incredible machine!
In fact the definitive prototype rather than production prototypes was the British Aerospace EAP which also flew at the Farnborough Air Show in 1986. It was a public / private venture by BAE to prove the concept.
@@1chish
Had to Google that. I must say it looks incredibly close to what I saw at Farnborough; minus 'EF2000' written on the tail. I'm wondering if that's the one I saw?
Either way. Incredible aircraft.
I currently reside in Lossiemouth and I get to see these epic aircraft on a near daily basis and yes they are loud that is not an understatement
I was just thinking that it's not Leuchars that has the qra any more, but Lossie!
This is awesome I’ve just been watching the typhoon today at Bournemouth air festival
4:06 the centre of gravity doesn’t shift.
It’s the centre of aerodynamic forces that shifts when passing the speed of sound.
The only way to move the centre of gravity of a fighter airplane in flight is to pump fuel around.
..or release weapons that are not on the centreline .
The center of aerodynamic pressure shift in relation to the CG.
The interesting thing about supersonic flight without afterburners was first developed by the British for the EE Lightning in the early 1950s. It was then deployed in the late and lamented TSR-2 and of course Concorde still the ONLY aircraft to fly across the Atlantic at Mach 2 without afterburners. All before the Americans thought they had invented it on the F-22 and gave it the name 'Supercruise'.
*Forehead / Palm interface*
Just back from Airpower 2022, the Typhoon is the jewel of the crown in that show.
I can confirm that the typhoon is incredibly loud, I work along side bae Warton and when they are taking off all phone calls have to be paused as there is no way for you to hear what the other person is saying and all's they can here is a loud thunder while our building shakes. Or when leaving work on a hot day with the roof down in the car you cross the flight path and will be only a few meters under them as they fly over, sometimes going full throttle at that point to do a go around.
They always seem to be around when it’s a day I want a lie in.
Saw one flying today. Not usually that arsed about planes but the sheer power of the noise it makes gets me every time
Very underrated plane. Italy and UK are working on a 6th gen now
5th Gen, not 6th. 5th Gen planes are not in regular service in any military service right now outside the US (with some aircraft being introduced into the Chinese, Russian and UK airforces). 6th Gen is some way off just yet ;)
@@adameccles1334 I watched a documentary about a month ago saying they were working on them. If 5th gen exist anywhere in the world, and another country makes a more advanced plane than the 5th gen. That is a 6th gen they are working on
@@adameccles1334 no, they're working on a 6th gen called the tempest
@@xXTUCXx1 as with all generation nomenclature it is highly misleading. 6th gen by most definitions won't be about the aircraft at all it will be about the ability of integrated theatre operations, in essence that target aquisition, tracking and weapons can be shared across all air assets in an area, most often including unmanned support units.
The jet with the pilot could still be an F-16 for all the system cares.
So the goal for the jet is 5th gen, the capabilities of 6th gen are in the software shared between all air assets.
I live really close to RAF Lossiemouth, these jets are really cool to see up close. Sometimes they take off and instantly go vertical, noisy is an understatement
Do they still take off over Duffus Castle? Remember watching Tornados fly from there years ago doing touch and go training. It used to be a popular spot for plane spotters.
Saw this at an air show, the roar of those engines 👌
Theyre flying over me here pretty regularly now
Worked in the Typhoon Propulsion Servicing Facility (Engine Bay) at RAF Coningsby for 4 years in the E.F.D.C. department. Engines were tough old birds apart from the Italian parts of the reheat system, that were prone to cracking and failing until modded, but easy ish to replace.
Ah, but I bet the italian parts looked the part
Nice mega projects on a Saturday freaking awesome, this is easily one of my favorite channels of all time....just wish the episodes were longer
They would all be longer if only Simon would speak a little more slowly.😄
I did an internship at MTU once and they just happened to run a test with these engines and theyre so loud. I could feel the engine running, its incredible.
A Center of Gravity shifting backwards would mean the aicraft would crash by trying to turn itself backwards. You must have confused with the Center of Lift or Pressure.
In other words, at lower speeds, the Center of Mass is behind the Center of Lift where it shouldn't be, hence the instability and the computer controlled craft. The craft is designed to have a CoM and CoL close to eachother at supersonic speed to ensure the most manuverability possible.
That man in the letter spoke honestly and well. Respect 🐬👍
I spend more time listening to Simon than to my actual parents
Lololol
Typhoon is going to get even better with the Super Typhoon
Could you do an episode on the fighter jet Jas 39 Gripen
The intimidation factor of a loud show of force flyby maneuver can be effective. No ordnance payload, fire mission or airspace treaty violations required.
The story about the engineer who forgot his air defenders felt like filler to me. It would have been nice to hear more about the development of the aircraft.
I'm loving these modern fighter jet videos!
Modern? This thing was developed in late 80s and came out in the '90s and 97 I don't know if I'd call that modern
In 2007 Richard Hammond raced a Euro fighter Typhoon against a Bugatti Veyron
Possibly 1 of THE BEST drag races ever created!
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Apparently it was his first race after a bad crash.
@@dongiovanni4331 What a way to start off then!
Long time ago, I can't remember that well so I'm going with your feedback
2007.
@@moonbaby6134 Eh wasn't far off
Year is hardly a mistake worth noting
Nonetheless, my original comment is corrected buddy 👌
@@maplesyrup7959 it was immense. Only reason i corrected was I was there chap.
Intresting that Simon put out a Video about the Eurofighter Typhoon on the same day as the Airpower 2022 was here in Austria the largest Air Show here in Europe.
Awesome
I was about to comment about that. Especially since he used footage from a previous Airpower
Heard them blasting overhead a few times when the QRA crew from neuburg in Bavaria was sent up. One time they flew directly over the part of the city where I was at the time, you should've seen the panic on people's faces when the boom hit hahahaha never got to actually see them tho, sadly. Did see two tornados fly over my house tho, flying so low that I could make out every little detail. Training flight, my guess would be IADS penetration, as those guys got the job of delivering nukes when the time comes. That made my little aviation nerd brain very very happy. Also saw a Chinook fly over the house once. Those things are fucking massive.
Number of years ago I was working as contractor at coningsby when a typhoon was doing the qra practice with afterburner going in steep climb. I had very good quality air port ear defenders and high quality ear plugs in and it was still very noisy. Felt like I was wearing no ear protection at all. Although apparently the yanks planes make more noise or they are allowed to make more noise.
I really enjoy Megaprojects, Yet I am becoming more annoyed when place names are not said correctly. Other than this, keep up the good work!
Yeah I'm sorry but I cant't even guess at the name of the place the first Eurofighter took off. It's Manching, Bavaria. Not sure why Simon said Mancheching or something similar.
Lu cars and con Ings be. I agree. Leuchars is easy to mipronouce but why cone is added to conningsby l have no idea. As a 12 year old I was driven to Leuchars by my mum in the Fiat 600 multiple. The gearbox failed. We stopped and bought Lucasaide in the hope it might help us get there. It didn't. Why did anyone drink that muck?
Very glad we've got it (despite the cost).
This is truly a beautiful machine. It’s getting even better. With the new Captor E AESA radar and more advanced systems, this fighter just got sharper teeth
This channel is slowly becoming Simon's aviation section.
Last time i was this early, Simon didn't have a beard lol
I remember a eurofighter scramble to Bristol for a (false) helicopter distress signal - the boom was audible and shook my front door in Coventry 🤣
its hard to lock on eurofighter, with eqvipted with meteor it can make bad day for newer generation planes
I mean, the division of fighter jets into 'generations' was invented by the marketing department of Lockheed Martin; it's not too surprising that it doesn't accurately reflect the balance of different multirole fighters, and the Typhoon (and Rafale, for that matter) are far more than just European F-16 equivalents, which their categorisation as 'fourth generation' fighters would have you believe.
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Which is why Eurofighters are usually referred to as "4.5 gen." It really does come down to stealth, which is why the Eurofighter can't be on the same level as the F-22 or F-35.
This will souond weird but I like listening to your videos to go to sleep to. I still rewatch what i miss.
I'm not even taking the P$ss
But I genuinely would like a mega(or side) projects on Simons YT channels.
After starting with mega projects and watching everything from Geographics to into the shadows.
I'd like to hear about how it all started and the writers/team behind all the channels 😁😆
But they are in the basement and had no internet access
Wouldn't this break the first casual criminalist rule though - never write your crimes down?
I love when Megaprojects talks about Fighter Jets ❤
You are somewhat overselling the multirole capability of the EF2000. The Eurofighter was originally a pure fighter. Air-to-ground capabilities were added later. This still makes it suboptimal in the A2G role. The targeting pod can only by fitted on the central hardpoint. This is one of the 3 wet points for droptanks. So the EF can only carry 2 droptanks and a pod. Secondly, the landing gear folds into the wing behind the inner wing hardpoints. As a result long weapons like cruise missiles and anti-shipmissiles can't be carried on these stations. They have to be fitted to either the central hardpoint or the 2 wet hardpoints on the wing. Again, this means that you can't carry 3 droptanks plus large missiles. The French Rafale on the other hand was intended as an omnirole aircraft from the start and it shows. It has 5 wet points. It has a special hardpoint to attach the targeting pod. This all means that the Rafale CAN carry 3 droptanks plus a pod and bombs or 3 tanks and AShM or cruise ALCM. The EF2000 is likely a bit better in the A2A role than the Rafale but the Rafale is a better A2G platform.
You are right, but you judge a platform also by its ECM suite and radar. Tranche 4 will be a turning point for the Typhoon. Mark my words :)
Watching this video it made me think you should make a video on SideProjects about the fastest Jets.
WTF?!? Simon actually said “pounds force of thrust” instead of “pound feet of thrust.” Did hell just freeze over?!? 😆
It’s such a long-awaited improvement that the jury is happy to overlook conflating the center of gravity with the center of lift. Baby steps, Simon. Baby steps.
What's wrong with just "Pounds of thrust"?
Um. Pounds Feet is a measure of torque. Thrust is measured either in newtons (force) or "pounds force" which is based on the force (in newtons) that x pounds of mass exerts on a surface due to gravity.
@@stonelaughter Yep. You have a firm grasp on why “pounds feet” is utterly wrong when talking about thrust.
I saw the Typhoon at the Rhyl air show last weekend. What a glorious noise.
Would be cool to see a video on the SAAB JAS 39 Gripen :)
Fully agree. Living just a couple km's from the Norrbotten Wing (F21) of the Swedish air force, I hear these every day.
In Germany and Austria, Eurofighter pilots wear Libelle flight suits, which are hydraulic instead of pneumatic and allow for even more extreme G forces. Also, Pirate can network with IRIS missiles, enhancing the planes overall detection and targeting capabilities. IRIS is an impressive piece of hardware and probably worth its own video, the politics behind its development are also quite interesting. As soon as the aircraft powers up, the missiles' sensor heads constantly scan the environment, visibly tracking any heat source they can find. Which is probably you if you're the strongest heat source in the vicinity. Having those things follow you around as you walk in front of the plane is kinda unnerving...
I thought you should have included the fact that the French pulled out and went on to develop the Rafael. Which looks awfully similar to the Typhoon lol
The way Brit’s say vitamins, I love it!
How touching of you!
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You mean correctly, it is called English and we are English 😂😂😂👍 not American 😃👍
@@davidbutler7602 Don't be that guy.
😂😂😂😂😂😃👍
@@davidbutler7602 lol
Such a stunning jet! I wonder what they are like against the 5th gens? Or even the older 4th gens? 🤙🏽🇺🇸
they can hold their own against the Raptor in a within visual range engagement. BVR is a different story though.
@@hondansx1000 though these days, "visual range" is a very long way, thanks to the optical targeting systems used. A pilot's Mk 1 eyeball is a very redundant feature!
Nobody really knows. I would have thought Europe and the US are very much equal. They always have been and that won't have changed now.
@@hondansx1000 no they can't. In a real fight the 4th gen won't know where the 5th gen is at.
Typhoons make great targets for 5th Gen fighters. They light up nicely when hit at BVR ranges.
I worked at BAE for a spell, was awesome to see them around and about at the site at Warton. I worked in software so didn't work on them but stil felt special to see them
That’s just down the road from me, and my dad worked there (and as far as I know) my brother still does.
Wow....makes you the, 3468996 person in the comment section to have worked on these....lol the odds
@@nexpro6118 literally said I didn't
@@Beshman12 why so angry? Lol. My post implied that many say they have and I used your post to comment because its closely relative to my comment.....or was that too hard to put together?
@@nexpro6118 not angry, just a fact. It's not clear as this is an old comment I made and I don't check the video every day to check what others put
Any project within Euro in the name automatically overspends by at least 500% guaranteed
There's no known cure for stupidity, but good luck with your ongoing search. Hope they manage to fix it for you one day.
Jeremy Clarkson was amazed that the voice activation can work for Welsh & Scottish people.
I have to say I favor the Typhoon over the Rafale on the basis that the former looks more like a fighter and the latter looks like a mutant.
There's a saying that if it looks right it flies right.
Though to be fair, Raptor had / has a lot in its favour, one of the main reasons being that it was completed. For a long time, the French could offer Rafale into the market place, complete with all manner of munitions for all manner of roles, land and carrier based variants. It was a finished product, ready to go, available on short timescales.
Whereas Typhoon had a finished airframe but they hadn't finished all the weapon systems development and integration. It was not the finished article that the Rafale was. Sometimes, part of "finishing" Typhoon meant hoping for a wealthy nation like Saudi Arabia to place an order, to fund it.
So that was the difference; the French were far more dedicated to funding their own programme than the Eurofighter consortium partners were. That's the problem with multi-nation developments; it's very difficult to get all the funding governments to actually fund it, especially if some of them get lax because they don't share the same military ambitions as the others.
Look at Germany vs the UK, in the Typhoon consortium. Following the collapse of the USSR, they generally settled down to spending less and less on defence, and had no ambitions for ops abroad, so they saw no need to hurry anything. Whereas the UK has had a different attitude to ops abroad, and more need of the finished aircraft. Of course, what Germany has now found out is that decades of taking it easy on defence suddenly looks like a bad idea when Russia comes close to taking over the country nextdoor-but-one....
Another Simon, another day. Outstanding! Lay it on me Factboi! Cheers.
Hoping you'll do the hornet soon.
Awesome work!! Can we get a video on the SU-47?
I don't think the center of gravity shifts anywhere, I think you've made a mistake 😅
It's the center of lift, not the center of gravity which shifts. He probably confused this.
This is usual for supersonic aircraft
yeah, I think it's the center of aerodynamic pressure that shifts back at supersonic speeds
4:07 its not the center of gravity that shifts back, it's the aerodynamic center of pressure.
$100,000/hour may seem like a bargain if someone did the same analysis for other fighters.
£100000 so that is Around $116000 a hour, I assume its USD you use. I'm fairly certain the 100000 is wrong more like £11000 = $12700 or €12500 euro.
Bruh no thats more than the f35
$100,000 an hour is bull, no jet in the world comes close to that prize for flying per hour, maybe $27,000 or $30,000? but not $100,000 no way! someone added a lot of extra coasts to get $100,000 per hour.
Really good video. The lack of true stealth may be a problem for the typhoon in the future. But upgrades like the new captor E radar and the metior air-to-air missile, should keep the typhoon in service well into the 2040s
Brillant Video, Sir !
Con-ings-bee not CONE
And Leuchars. Luke-ars.
proud to say I work on these magnificent machines
Well done and thanks for your service 👍
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The lead engine developer was Rolls Royce. The other companies were for ancillary systems such as gearbox, fmu's, pumps etc.
Only jet that gives the f22 a run for its money in a 1v1 knifefight, some people say that rafale can also but its simply not true and has been proven, the rafale can survive by jamming and running away but thats it. Its an good dogfighter but its not as good as the EF or the F22.
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