The Disturbing Secrets of the Battle of Coruscant
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Take we take a look at the dark secrets behind the Battle of Coruscant, as it existed in Star Wars Legends... including how it was engineered to change the Galaxy's psyche. All that and more on today's Star Wars Lore video!
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For Darth Sidious the Clone Wars were a galactic scale chess play against himself, and the battle of Coruscant was the "checkmate" for the galaxy.
That would imply that he already had full control. But I see what you mean.
@@WonkelDee He had enough control that could orchestrate this whole war. There is a reason that Palpatine only got involved when Darth Maul showed up.
Which means that the Empire Era was him finding an opponent to play against 😆
It's more like the first check than checkmate.
Obama giving Obama a medal moment
That's actually a really interesting point. General Grevious is the perfect figure to foster anti-alien and anti-robot sentiment.
Trench, Nemoidians, Trade Guilt people as well. They commited planet-wide genocides and cleansings for their industrial needs. When Dooku was killed and Serenno, Raxus among other worlds were taken, Palpatine could pretend that he uncovered all these horrible warcrimes and excuse the brutal supression of Separatist Worlds since they were genociders/terrorists and not a legitimate faction.
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@@soosyamongusmansus5137 General Kenobi! You are a bold one!
Ironic that the attack on Coruscant would be seen as a sign of how real a threat the CIS was when the war was in its twilight days.
The CIS were no slouches. The battle droids may have been throwaway units, but you can't deny that the Separatists were extremely dangerous. I mean, they were still a big threat after the Clone Wars. Gizor Dellso sent his lava-hot regards!
At least one video pointed out that the CIS was actually winning in the long term, a key part of Sidious plan was keeping the two sides balanced and in continued conflict, but he could only hand the Republic so many victories for so long because the CIS had the advantage in an attritional war with their battle droids, whereas the Republic had to wait for new batches of clones to be produced which even being of higher quality than a battle droid still suffered from being outnumbered a fact that was going to catch up with them soon most likely...and why Sidious made his move to wrap it up before the proxy conflict became too untenable for even him to manage.
@@benjaminbierley2074 Speaking speculatively, you never know what kind of tricks the Kaminoans or any other producer for the Republic may have come up with if given the time.
Say that there's a breakthrough in the armour the clones are supplied with. Suddenly the GAR to DA ratio isn't 10:1, its now 30:1. Droids may be cheaper/quicker to produce, but so long as you're losing them faster than you can make them...
@@olegsbalaclava1051 The Republic could also have used normal soldiers, they did that in Legends
They should make the movie or TV series out of this battle, Band of Brother meets Top Gun style.
Well “goodness gracious great balls of fire” that would be awesome lol 😆
I’d like to see one of the Battle of Naboo. Call it Top Gungan.
No don’t boo me, I’ll just boo myself.
@Shane Howard Will they find earth?
That would be killer!
Yes
I know it’s a meme to point out that palpatine was fighting palpatine in this war, but I think you pointed out really well in this video that all this conflict had a purpose: to cement his popularity, to justify allocating ressources to a grand army, and instilling xenophobia throughout the galaxy. Man I love the prequel era so much.
Yeah - it added a lot to the lore of the “Star Wars” universe. Then along came Disney and they just fucked it all to hell...
@@FrankCastle-tq9bz I used to think it was a director’s thing, but yeah these movies were really rushed and milked dry, it makes me genuinely upset. Not that there aren’t some good things in the spin offs but I hate to be reminded the sequel trilogy exists
@@thomaslecomte1570 It doesn’t - as far as both myself and Mr. Lucas are concerned, what Disney makes is “Star Wars” in name only.
Disturbing secret number one: “Anakin didn’t kill the real count Dooku. It was a clone. The real one went AWOL(currently enjoying retirement on Naboo)”
Nice.
I mean I wouldn't put it push past star wars, with both Legends and Canon abusing cloning as a plot element. Though I suppose that cloning is really cool and I do miss it as a tech in star wars.
That's definitely Dooku's favorite option, hands down.
Naboo would kind of be an ironic place for Dooku to hide/retire.
@@westrim hands down. Ha ha ha ha omg that's great
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@@HiItsSalty I dunno about the implications of this... :< -Tim
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I see it only as orbital view of Coruscant.
@@chefdean7257 It could very have been corrected.
The opening pages of the novelization were pure dramatic magic. Thanks for reading that small snippet.
The whole book was really good. Everything Stover wrote for Star Wars was top tier.
Matthew Stover has to start screenwriting, if he already hasn't.
@@jakubrejak1114 Okay, I know the track record of such projects is checkered, at best, but hear me out;
RoTS remake, using the full OG cast (while we still have them), that's basically the Snyder cut, using the novelization as the "script"
@@cptTK421 That would have been AWESOME!
@@jakubrejak1114 labirinth of evil is other masterpierce
Palpatine truly is the old-man-playing-chess-against-himself meme
Gerrys game
The disclosure of my secrets has left me scarred...and deformed.
I'm sure your resolve has never been stronger
It always bothered me how RotS was supposed to take place over a few days, yet Padme goes through a whole ass pregnancy for twins in that time.
I always imagined it happening over a few months, it makes more sense for most things tbh
It wasn't her entire pregnancy. You can tell that because of her large womb. Anakin and Padme hadn't seen each other in months.
RotS takes place towards the end of her pregnancy.
The twins are not anakins.
@@hectorsanchez1377 That completely ignores everything saying they are
This reminded me of that one episode of Legend of the Galactic Heroes that, in brutally graphic fashion, showed what the casualties and damage of massive ship to ship combat would look like on a human level.
Link?
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link
@@comradekenobi6908 RUclips keeps deleting the link, so just search "LoGH The Nature of War"
@@harrisonlee9585 well that's mean, fricking RUclips bots
Got excited at the title for a second, thought this was the Battle of Coruscant in the Yuuzhan Vong War
Or that time Thrawn attacked. Sorry in advance for bring him up Zaarin.
@@eds1942 No worries, I too would like to see that covered, even if the wrong chap won.
I thought Eck already did a video about that? But I could be wrong. But he has done a lot of videos of the Second Galactic Civil War.
Got to love that weekly dose of How Palps F***** The Galaxy. :)
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I think the episodes of Clone Wars about the Citadel- which was entirely about a secret route to Coruscant- is about the route being discovered by Palpatine.
He ever knew
It was about secret routes, both into republic and separatist space, I thought. Hence why they imprisoned the captain and the Jedi, trying to torture the coordinates out of them.
I think it would have been cool if they left the scene where General Grievious killed shaak Ti during the attack
Doesn’t she die like thirty times in deleted scenes?
Btw sick SW animation u did
Wait, Grievious also killed Shaak-Ti, bruh, how many times this woman died? And I'm serious, lol
@@felps_4500 her canon death is by Anakin at the Jedi Temple during Order 66.
@@Astro_Mickey Yeah, I know that, what I'm asking is how many times she died in SW history
Like there's Anakin at the Temple, Grevious, the one in The Force Unleashed, and that's just the ones I can remember
@@felps_4500 gotcha, well I think you mention all of them. George Lucas really didn’t know where/how to kill her for awhile lol
Last time I was this early Eck was making faction comparison vids
You were also still worthy of the title master...
@@darthgorthaur258 ? Context pls
Sequels should have ended with a Battle of Coruscant. Perfect way to wrap the saga up from war perspective.
Episode 3 would still have the better battle because...VENATORS! 🤤🤤
Coruscant needed to be in the movies more. It's an essential location.
Imagine if Hux betrayed Kylo Darth Malak-style during that battle.
@@elijahblechman8633 sequels were suppose to be the combination of all the good (and possibly bad stuff) of the prequels and original trilogies. The last three made the Star Wars universe so small
I really hope the eclipse in that version of episode 9 has a super laser
Some people: "There shouldn't be politics in Star Wars!"
Politics in Star Wars:
Spacedock: There NEEDS to be politics in Star Wars!
@@UGNAvalon Well that's half-right. The political aspect can be used to build an interesting world if done well. Just from a few references to agreements, laws or systems of governance (provided they are not contradicted later on) we can get the sense of a truly expansive universe.
>mfw George Lucas literally based the Empire off of the Nazis and the Ewoks off of the Vietcong
@@violetroseinthedark3071 Something he didn't make explicit however. Unlike today's political movies, Lucas made the Empire feel like the nazis, but didn't make understanding that explicitely necessary to comprehend what they are. Even if you didn't get the implication, you could still see the Empire as evil and want them to lose.
Did Sidious give Grievous the hyperspace lanes that master piell and tarkin had from the citadel episodes of the clone wars?
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Finally we get to know the real story of the battle of coruscant
Yes of the
I love the story of the
Palpatine was an incredible genius of engineering the Battle of Coruscant.
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#AskEcks: What if Obi-Wan had been killed during the battle…?
"Leave him, we don't have time".
How would that have played out?
Most likely Vader would not be a crispy cyborg suit. So during the Empire, Anakin Skywalker would have been Anakin Skywalker, and not some strange black machine figure.
If memory serves, another reason for the siege on Coruscant was that the Jedi had nearly tracked Sidious to the 500(0) Republica Block of residential apartments (Revenge Of The Sith Novelization). The Jedi were in the process of pinning down the exact apartment when the siege began.
I could be wrong. It has been a few years since I read the book.
I think you're right, I believe some clones and possibly a Jedi almost caught Sidious red-handed, but, like you, I don't remember the exact details since it's been a while since I've heard one of these channels describe it.
@@lastmanstanding-xp3ub A Republic intelligence officer and some clones did nearly catch Sidious red-handed, but they were gruesomely killed by some guards he tipped off.
These videos should be shown on the Syfy tv network
Indefinite lockdown, now that sounds familiar.
Hahahaaa, legit last night/really early this morning, my friend and I make posted Star Wars Revenge of the Sith GIFs in chronological order, so that when we want to watch that movie but don't have time, then we can just surf through the GIFs from top to bottom.
This video just reminded me of what we did.
Coruscant is basically the US of Star Wars. No direct attacks in so long that nobody really remembers it. If one were to happen, it would be shocking, unexpected, and terrifying
Alot actually compared what happened in Episode 3 to the real word and said it was George commenting on a post-9/11 America.
#AskEck What is your Top 5 Favorite Characters in The Sequel Trilogy?
1. Kylo Ren
2. Rey
3. Poe
4. Finn
5. General Pryde
From least to most.
5. Finn
4. Hux
3. Poe
2. Rey
1. Kylo Ren
SpiffyGonzales No, I'm talking about a Movie Trilogy, not the toxic Legends comics.
@@spiffygonzales5160 This discussion is for characters that appeared in the Sequel Trilogy movies, outside media characters that appears outside of the movies don't count, that includes The Mandalorian as well.
@@spiffygonzales5160 han solo being killed by his son. luke abandoning the ways. Hyperspace ram. Ect.
I absolutely love the outro
This analysis is so accurate ! The prequel has an underlying meaning that make it awesome ! I never thought about this specific case. Great job and great video !
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The OBVIOUS disturbing secret of the Battle of Coruscant: The absence of Vite Ramen.
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“Revenge of the Sith only takes place over a few days”
That would be one quick gestation period for Padme, I reckon 7-8 months is the true figure. It’s also implied to be a long time in the siege of Mandalore arc of Clone Wars.
Fleet battle between
Grand admiral Thrawn vs. Ender Wiggin
Each one has an equal sized fleet with equally capable subordinates, and since Ender is from a different universe each has equal understanding of the technology they’re using. They are in command of Star Wars vessels. Pick a famous fleet of your choosing I’d suggest death squadron.
Thrawn will get a hold of Ender's childhood drawings on the fridge door and figure him out
Sheev Palpatine: Oh no!
Also Sheev Palpatine: Anyway...
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Can you do more videos like this? I really enjoyed hearing the psychological perspective of the the galactic citizens and the political atmosphere from key points in the Star Wars story. Keep up the good work, always enjoy your videos.
Congrats on hitting 800k subs :)
This was like the George Lucas version of 9/11, and what happened to The Republic afterwards......wait a second.....
😳
Oh hell no! Don’t jinx it!!!
@@jmWolfe2585 Oh please bish it's already here.
@@Joe-po9xn Oh yeah.
"Palpatine did 9/11"
The 5 dislikes are from Cylons that died and re-downloded after the Battle of Couracant.
The people that disliked this video are Commando Droids, planted by General Grievous to spy in the Senate
In the citadel arc in TCW, Even Piell and Tarkin both have each half of the coordinates. That makes the theory of Palpatine transmitting those to the seperatists very likely.
I think the gravity of the battle isn't conveyed very well by the movie. The battle is way too light hearted to understand what it actually leads to. And also, it would be nice if it told a bit more about Palpatine's popularity in the general populace.
So the applause we see when he declares his empire isn't enough?
Not only that but Labyrinth of Evil also states that Palpatine also coordinated the attack because the Jedi had become aware of Sidious and were actively tracking him reaching Palpatine's home before the attack happens. A squadron clone troopers led by Mace Windu, who left to help when the attack goes down, actually reached Sidious' secret bunker and swifty killed by him and a dying clone trooper sees this as Palpatine/Sidious scrolls casually over his dying body making no effort to hide himself.
NGL, some of the phrasing here had me chuckling.
sometimes art, immitates life, immitates art :)
Something else I noticed is how similar the attack is to the Tet offensive of the Vietnam war, especially the effect the militarily faild attack had a huge psychological effect on the general population
good job on 800k
The flying civilian traffic during the Jedi purge calls B.S. on the martial law clamp down you mentioned. During martial law there is generally only military vehicles a cruising around.
In the clone wars show they talk about the nexus route that run to go both the republic homeworlds and the CIS homeworlds.
I love your videos! Keep up the great content!!
CIS Battlespheres, maybe? Would love to know more about those!
your almost at 800k Eck!
I'm pretty sure the "Clone Wars" arc with the Citadel was about the Republic securing the information about the hyperspace lane. Ahsoka had 1 half; Tarkin had the other half. It ended with Yoda saying he would talk to the Chancellor about what to do with the two halves of the information.
Always fun to hear another labyrinth of evil shout out
Great video Eck 👍
"Revenge of the Sith only takes place over a few days."
Technically, there's no direct statement of this that I'm aware of. Based on travel times and the fact that Padme is fully ready to give birth - even somewhat prematurely - indicates that either Anakin hasn't seen Padme for over 6 months by the time Revenge of the Sith takes place, or that there is more time that passes which we don't see. The latter seems likely.
Anakin hadn't seen Padmé for 5 months according to the novel
@@callumpears1523 the novel isn't canon, so that's just a clue at best. But, even assuming they've been apart that long, the idea that only a few days pass between the Siege of Coruscant and the declaration of the Empire doesn't make much sense
@@jacobnestle3805 No it does and the Clone Wars confirms Anakin hasn't seen Padme in months.
@@emberfist8347
Evidence for it being mere days, other than conjecture? Because yes, they haven't seen each other in months, but over 6 months? That leaves a half-year gap in the Clone Wars timeline.
The disturbing secrets of there being 13 views but 19 comments
Best outro ever.
battle of croissant.
You summed up the whole battle and the plan of Palp's with 4 words:-
"or so they thought".
I find the battle over Coruscant so interesting because it's the largest engagement of the clone wars by far. No other battle comes even close to the scale of Coruscant's battle.
Any other engagement we see in the clone wars probably averages out ca. 10 ships or something in an engagement, but Coruscant sticks out like a sore thumb with thousands of ships present.
It's almost as if the CIS and Republic used like, 50% of their forces to battle on every other planet in the galaxy, but reserved the other 50% for that ONE single engagement over Coruscant.
@@papapalps2415 That sure was a lot of information my good sir.
But I read trough it.
And what this is telling me, is that there was likely larger engagements than the one on Coruscant, we just don't have the evidence for it.
So, the possibility that there were larger engagements are for whatever reason very high, there just isn't any examples of it.
Albeit, I digress, sure, in the 2003 clone wars we got the Muunilist battle, which I believe stated to have had 200 acclamators involved? So I can see where you are coming from, but still.
Coruscant was the capital of the galaxy, and probably one of the most important worlds in the Galactic Republic.
Sure, the defense fleet was at a weakened state, but that doesn't mean that combined with the Open Circle Fleets and whatever secret fleets Palpatine had thrown in, wouldn't have made Coruscant one of, if not the biggest engagement of the clone wars.
Whatever the CIS are concerned, Grievous gathered every ship he could muster for the invasion. Which likely would have made the CIS fleet the largest in the war thus far.
Sure, the whole 50% at Coruscant, 50% elsewhere might have been an exaggeration from my side, but still, the Coruscant engagement (with the information we are given) seem to have been the absolute largest engagement in the clone wars.
There simply isn't any other examples that points to it not being so.
I'll be open for the possibility that there were larger engagements, but with no examples or information stating anything close to it, I am gonna stick with what we know for sure, rather than pure speculation based on probability.
@@papapalps2415 Alright, alright. I want to conclude this by saying that as far as we know, Coruscant was the largest engagement of the clone wars. There's no mention of it being so, but there is no mention of anything stating otherwise either. What's more is that from what we have seen so far, and from what we are aware of, there's no other battle in the clone wars that is quite as big as the one seen on Coruscant. Albeit, there is theoretical evidence that would suggest the existence of battles of larger scale.
I will however say that I personally would find it almost poetic, that the battle at the end of the clone wars, at the capital of the Republic, would have the largest battle of it all. After all, Coruscant's importance and significance can't be overshadowed. And what better place would there be for the biggest and most significant last stand for the CIS, right? It just feels like the right thing to have such an engagement being the biggest.
Also, I was certain Palpatine had some hidden fleets he brought into the battle with completely new, never before seen warships (Imperators and Tectors in my mind.) But maybe that fleet was part of the Open Circle fleets?
Also also. Wasn't the communications network of Coruscant completely borked due to how many ships entered trough hyperspace? Feels almost like that could be some way of saying that the battle over Coruscant wasn't just big, but it was unusually massive, you know.
So far my favorite attack on coruscant has to be the sacking of coruscant. Just because how well planned and executed it was. The republic didn't know what hit them
I haven't watched Ecks in a while :( it's not usually recommended on RUclips.
For how prominent it is I'm interested in learning more about it's lore.
Maybe it's more like a Galactic version of Doolittle's raid... or St. Nazaire.
Except... orchestrated by Palpatine?
I've learned so much
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The Hyperspace Lanes and Palpatines connection with them also mentioned in Clone Wars 2003
It makes you think, Did anyone know that palpatine was playing both sides far after he died?
Yes the essential guide to warfare confirms this
Let's not forget it made anakin more popular, which was also part of palps plan
I really wish I never stumbled upon this video. I always saw the battle of Courasant as this badass battle and if the Republic lost it would be the end and if the CIS lost it would cancel all their major offensives in the future and the Republic won but now, whenever I watch episode 3 all I can think of is just nightmares.
There was also the secret hyperspace lane that even piel and tarkin knew of that lead to corusant
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Everything up till 5:48 sounds a little close to home OMG 😆 😅
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Dumb question. When Palpatine told Anakin to kill Dooku, why didn't Dooku say 'before you kill me just know that dude is a sith lord' as an eff you to Palpatine?
Possibly because he still believed in the plan, probably because he was in shock at the sudden and unexpected betrayal.
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Facts he should have over a million
@@brucewayne3795 for sure
Two ideas I’d like to see made into a video: when did palpatine originally plan on executing order 66; and how come during a battle, when force users or “bosses” fought, most troopers would just ignore them to the point of just passing them mid battle instead of helping. (Example: during the old republic when Malgus and Satille Shan dueled on Alderaan)
The first answer he was planning Order 66 at roughly the time he does it in the film. The second one, most of the troops are tangled up with the enemy soldiers during those fights.
Part of the answer for the second one is that when Jedi and Sith fight, they use the Force to speed up their actions to the point where most soldiers sometimes wouldn't be able to see anything but strobing lights, and wouldn't try to help for fear of killing their ally rather than the enemy. Most visual Star Wars media doesn't portray that very well, and I think a lot of the older written material didn't realize that was a thing (likely because it wasn't), but it's canonical at least in Legends.
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Damn how much would they have to pay him for that
Was there ever much focus on the ground battle aspect? Besides the 2003 clone wars?
Republic Commando: Order 66 and Labyrinth of Evil show fighting on the ground.
This goes to show how much of a madlad Palpatine is. There's so many ways for the battle to go wrong for him but they didn't
Ironic,
i just watched the Zillow episode last night.
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I wonder if the hyperspace routes Palpatine gave the CIS were the hidden routes they were talking about during the Citadel episodes.
It's implied that they were, its very likely that Sidious, using his position/alter ego as Chancellor Palpatine, acquired them from Tarkin and Yoda after the Citadel rescue mission and gave them to Dooku and/or Grievous.
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The battle of Coruscant would have been a great film.
I also heard Admiral Tarkin was making love to clone trooper during the battle!
I’ll bet that the secret hyperspace lane that palps gave to the CIS was the Nexus Route.
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#askeck what did count dooku plan with the geonosian execution? What if Anakin/Padme/Obi wan had died?
Interesting that there’s a planet named after an old god... All hail N’Zoth!
Eck, can you talk more about the time during kotor 2. When the mandalorians were broken and scattered
Summary *Billions of innocent Dead or crippled*
What was the video game being featured at the end of the video? It looks awesome