Honestly I love that detail of not even the clones recognising their own ships. It makes you think what the reaction of average republic citizens were. Had there not been a battle on Coruscant, the galaxy may have reacted negatively to this sudden increase in military might and war waging capability. Instead, just like how the battle of naboo justified the clone army and granting emergency powers of sheev, the battle of Coruscant was the last step in justifying a completely military and dictatorship government to rule for the sake of safety and peace.
They could also have been Trojan Horses meant to jump in and disrupt the HoloNet or land troops before the battle officially started, or to scatter mines and buzz droids and generally sow chaos above the planet. Legends Grievous is a lot more competent and devious than the nerfed version we have now, and we would see Thrawn use similar tactics in the Galactic Civil War.
A LOT of civilian ships were caught in the Battle of Coruscant. Many of them decided to join the fight on the Republic's side, if they hadn't already run off to safety
The Battle of Coruscant is one of my favourite Star Wars battles, an anthology film like Rogue One based during that battle would be amazing. I would also love an anthology like Rogue One based during the Battle of Jakku as well.
3:28 and with the 2003 Clone Wars going over the top as usual with so many ships that CIS ships collide with enemy ships the second they leave Hyperspace and where Master Tinn decides to evacuate the entire force of a downed Venator onto an enemy shop to take it over.
I absolutely loved the shot of Tinn going into space, and they zoom into the stars showing that it's really just a massive armada of ships! It was definitely the best of 2003 Clone Wars' ridiculous over the top action, and my favorite sequence from the series.
It’s good they went over the top because the clone wars was a gargantuan, titanic war the 2008 clone wars had relatable characters but was pretty underwhelming honestly
I would love to see the battle over courasant more, the opening in episode 3 is still a thriller and holds up in almost every way. I wanna see what it was like on the cruisers and on the ground. The Jedi star fighter scene is great and really fun but the battle was huge!
The Clone Wars season 7 finale could be a prime opportunity for the Republic to introduce the ships earmarked to serve the imperial navy, such as the Victory star destroyer.
That would be a nice surprise but I doubt it. It would probably retcon what we learn in the Darth Vader Volume 2 comics when he leads the Imperial invasion of Mon Calamari.
The space battle over coruscant is the best Space battle in Star Wars it looks so beautiful and it has great action. Seeing Obi Wan and Anakin working together and Humor from R2 perfection
Hope this turns into a series Eck! I really like this format/style, would be cool if you did the rest of the Saga! (As I already said on the last video lol).
@@EckhartsLadder Thanks! I only remembered it because it looks like a freighter version of the Recusant, which I thought was interesting. I didn't know that it had already appeared in Star Tours.
@@TW-qw5zr If it's a fleet tender, it'd make sense for it to be in orbit over the planet, although its SOP was probably to get the fierfek out of Nar Shadaa in an event like this. From what I recall Grievous had either mined or otherwise set up interdiction around the planet to stop reinforcements or anyone from getting away, so that may be why they were stuck in orbit.
Yes! More of this!!! I’d love to hear about the background “forgotten” ships of the other films, maybe like how EC Henry created new digital models based on the far background ships of return of the jedi, but more in a lore sense
Wish we got to see a few Mandator class Star Dreadnoughts. Loved the scene, but would have been cool if there was a lot more variety on the Republic side, and individual planetary navy warships.
Honestly, I don't expect any star Dreadnoughts of republic here becauce they are just too slow. Because of post Ruusan reformation rule limited weaponry and Hyperdrives of them to be only defensive weapons
Despite the fact that V-Wings aren't shown in the film's opening, Much of the merchandise surrounding the ship place it during the battle. In fact, the ship can be seen within promotional art of the battle, they are just very hard to spot. Also, Wookieepedia also states that it V-Wing was present during the battle.
I couldn't really see the "Diamond Ship" in the video, but I want more videos like this. The main reason I subscribed to you (and EC Henry for that matter) was to hear about all the different ships, that where used more in the backstage (like al the different types of Star Destroyer or Tie). In one word: More.
Yeah, I remember how amazed Omega Squad was given the fact they are met with hundreds of capital ships they did not recognize. The Republic Commando novels really were something else.
One of the things i like is that legends gives you a good sense of scale. The republic and cis were fighting a galaxy wide battle so when the capital of the republic is attacked, literally thousands of ships fight over it.
It cycles normally through a bunch of situations unless a recent film dropped. I went in January so all it did was keep showing the same Rise of Skywalker battle. It was pretty disappointing to not be able to experience the others.
I can’t thank you enough for making these videos. They are the best thing I have to de-stress after any day. I hope that the copyright flag thing that happened a week or two ago was fixed
Two things, you can see some Delta 7 Jedi starfighters in the background of the Coruscant battle on board the Invisible Hand and I always wondered what that unusual looking ship in the battle of Geonosis was but now I know.
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This reminds me of the Dark Lord books when the Jedi at the beginning used a Victory star destroyer to launch their attack from. Order 66 was given during this battle.
I had no idea Star Tours had a variant for the battle of Coruscant, or even for the prequels in general. Now I really wanna see it, but given how few opportunities I get to go to Disney, much less Hollywood Studios specifically, and given how many variants Star Tours has, I have next to no hope...
I kept freeze framing the Coruscant space battle in ROTS to catch any sight of V-wings, no such luck. Even though they're mentioned as present in the novelization.
Hey Ecks it would be interesting that you made two videos: every ship from fighters to dreads for CIS and republic from clone wars from beginning to the end of war. Including pirates and mercs on the side of cis or Rep.
#AskEck Have you ever played SWTOR, if so, what do you think of it? Also do you have any opinions on the latest expansions (Jedi Under Siege and Onslaught)?
I do find it interesting that the CIS got three brand new capital ship designs plus a new starfighter AND the use of an existing starfighter and capital ship design, compared to the Republic which got three new starfighters, but only one capital ship, with no returning designs.
Have someone notice that in the battle of coruscant apart of the ARC-170 were also V wing starfighters in the battle. We have to mention that it appears by a few seconds when the GUARLARA was about to fight the INVISIBLE HAND.
Thor's Hammer While interesting I doubt Eck will answer as the factions aren’t from his main sci-fis. I give it to the shadows, the RPG sourcebooks put their enemies, the vorlons, as forerunner level on their peak.
@@dianavespid937 Is there any proof the Shadows are on Forerunner levels of power? Afterall most of the time we see them bombing planets very quickly. The Dominion has similar weaponry since considering the fact that 20 Romanians and Cardassians ships had bombarded a planets entire crust layer off in a single barrage in Deep Space Nine.
The battle against the Death Cloud had thousands of ships on each side. And that was when the Cloud arrived which was mid-battle. Also you’ll have to ignore outliers because teraton/pettaton Trek simply does not work lol. The photon torpedoes have a hard number of double-digit megatons.
The vorlons had billions of ships on dry-dock and they can clone themselves to crew them. Also they have the planet killers. They do not use the billions of ships for obvious reasons. The vorlons can also mind-control other beings.
@Thor's Hammer Babylon 5 Roleplaying Game 2nd Edition: Drakh, Page 52 Memetic Virus: The memetic viruses are one of the more curious products of the Shadows’ billion-year-old technology. It is a thought that leaps from mind to mind, an image that cannot be forgotten and which wreaks havoc in the minds of those who see it. The Techno-Mages speak proudly about knowing ‘the fourteen words to make someone fall in love with you forever; seven words to make them go without pain, or to say goodbye to a friend who is dying.’ The Shadows gave them those secrets and more, and they are encoded in the memetic viruses. While the Drakh recovered some of the memetic viruses from Z’ha’dum, encoded in Shadow runes onto indestructible stone tablets, they have not yet managed to comprehend any of them or make use of them. The power of the memetic viruses is vast - with them, the Drakh could rewrite minds just by broadcasting a message, or speaking to a foe. The virus is just a few words or an image whose individual components are very simple, but when put together, their combined effect is tremendous. Babylon 5 Roleplaying Game 1st Edition: Darkness and Light, Page 6 These early Shadows lacked the advanced technology they would later possess and also lacked the seductive cunning they would use to divide and conquer. They made up for both these deficits with sheer numbers... They met the Shadow armada in an epic battle in the galactic core. The battle was so nightmarish that accounts of it survive to this day, even though it took place millions of years ago, In the core, the stars are so closely packed that they turn the night sky into a glaring actinic fi eld of white light. There is no darkness between the stars there - space is a hot, bright place. The alliance of the First Ones assembled there to battle the Shadows. There were so many black Shadow ships that they blotted out the light not merely of the local star, but of the entire galaxy. The alliance fleet was surrounded by darkness and in every part of that darkness was another ship of the seemingly infinite Shadow host. Building that armada consumed all of the resources of a dozen systems and its like would never be seen again. The Shadows were defeated. They had superior technology and roughly equal numbers but the synergy of the other races, combined with the might of the Speakers’ vessels, overwhelmed them. The Shadow armada wavered, broke and was defeated. The shadows outnumbered the vorlons but not the combined might allied races, which again, the vorlons alone had billions of vessels. So even if the shadow battlecruisers were only in the megatons, they can play the numbers game and simply swarm even the jem'hadar fighters. This is assuming they don't just mind control the jem'hadar into their ranks.
I have to say the carrak cruiser always perplexed me, because of the bridge window design it looks like it was intended to be a much smaller ship. It looks like it was intended to be a troop carrier or maybe an ATAT or ATST lander. They way it exists in Canon now would make the bridge Windows three levels high at least. It was a weird choice to just leave it like it is, instead of making a few simple design corrections.
#AskEck Do you think a mega-ion canon, like the Malevolence used, beefed up and adapted to use on planets would make a good superweapon? It would disable the planet's defences and communications while leaving the planet itself and it's core infrastructure intact for the users of said mega-ion canon to exploit.
Err... wouldn't something strong enough to break the planetary shield _and_ the local shields covering the planetary defense installations, while having enough juice left to fry those (presumably hardened) systems A) Completely fry any civilian infrastructure, so you'd need to replace everything anyway and B) cause a huge lightning storm as the excess charge tries to distribute itself?
@@boobah5643 That's actually a key limitation/weakness for this weapon I had in mind. In order to limit the damage to the planet's infrastructure the power and calibration of the blast have to be precisely tuned to match the planetary shields, atmosphere, level of tech etc. Too little and the shields and atmosphere soak it all up leaving ground defences unharmed, too much and you get the scenes that you described. I even envisioned the heroes feeding false data into the calculations for a blast so that on it's next run when it fires the bad guys think the planet is defenceless only to get into atmosphere and find all the guns still active.
@@IAmEvilTree To me, this feels like building one machine that can both pick up a car or an egg without breaking either. It can be done, but it almost certainly makes more sense to have two different devices. It's an example of overwhelming power plus finesse, and that works best when you're using the finesse to limit _where_ you hit, rather than how hard. It's especially a problem when some of what you want to break (defenses) is harder than what you want to not break (infrastructure.) Mind, I have a problem with the idea of surprise superweapons in general, outside the occasion of previously isolated groups coming into contact, so I'm predisposed to discount the things.
@@boobah5643 You raise some good points. Maybe have the ion canon attack in two bursts, maybe from two separate emitters, one powerful to knock out the planetary shields, the other precise to go through the atmosphere and disable the ground defences. I'm picturing a ship similar to the Malevolence firing it's weapon from one side then turning over, while charging a new shot, then firing with the other. Then again disabling planetary shields alone would make for a formidable weapon, maybe just have that and let turbolaser orbital bombardment and fighter bombing runs do the rest to the unshielded planet. I'm pitching this superweapon partly because it isn't a surprise. The technology on a fleet disabling scale has been used in the clone wars and the thought of some organisation taking that and going the next step forward isn't farfetched.
I think as the transition from the republic to the empire of tarkin doctrine an important question is in order: how much of the old fleet get recycled vs mothballed or left to break down floating in space vs used for weapons testing like target practice for the death star?
Got to had it to old Palpatine. He made a justification for the Clone army with Episode 2, then he makes a justification / play at opening up new ships lines, by having those ships come to the rescue of Coruscant. As for my preference, I do enjoy the traditional lore usage more but supplementing with stuff like the Star Tours is cool in its own way.
If I remember correctly, the Mandator-I had a limited hyperspace route and only Corelliia, Alaskan and Just had them pre clone wars. A few were built ad well as two Mandator-IIs (and some were upgraded) so it's not sure if they could arrive. It's not stayed for what purposes the Mandator-IIs were built for, probably core fleets but by 19 BBY Palpatine federalized all the sector and planetary defense forces into the Republic Navy
Love your stuff. As you seem equally fascinated by SDs ans SSDs I would very much like to ask you to look into the possibility that the SSD in ROTJ might not be the Executor after all but the Emperor's personal SSD. As the bridge design varies heavily from the one of the Executor from ESB and we have a storyboard that clearly shows the Emperor's shuttle originating from a SSD we might be talking about two different ships. Of course I am aware that officially it has been stated/retconned that this is the Executor but the original novel identifies it pretty generic most of the times it is mentioned besides one time when it is called "Vader's flagship". Maybe you can look into this from a non-in-universe perspective and compare the facts back from 1983?
I imagine Palpitine brought in few isd1s had them blow away a few ships( somehow insuring the droids couldn’t hurt them) and had them jump out in order to begin the fear of the pose of those ships
I really love it when they combin ot stuff like Caracks, Dreadnoughts, Victory and Imperial I Star destroyers into the clone wars. Sadly whe never get to see it on screen.
The Lore stuff was more interesting. But the star tour stuff was cool visually. Also, I didn't know the Diamond class was in ANY of the movies. Where does it pop up?
If you pay attention in revenge of the Sith, the movie itself actually has a bunch of strange CIS ship refits. Recusant with the dorsal platforms or bridge removes, Munificents without bridge or rear towers, récusants with only one engine... God knows what those are, but I’d like to call these the Munificent-class Droid Cruiser and the Recusant-class Automated destroyer. I suppose those ships are fully automated, or maybe they are armored conversions of the previous models, with greater armor, shielding and automation systems, in which case you could call them the Munificent armored frigate refit or Recusant armored destroyer refit.
Given the CIS' history of salvaging and rebuilding destroyed Battledroids from the field, I would hazard that the freighter with the engine module of a Recusant might have been improvised from working parts salvaged after a space battle. Either that, or it's simply a Commerce Guild design: having modules that share function across different ship classes makes your supply lines more efficient, and efficient supply lines save lives.
Hey Eckhart could you please show some love for the classic Battle Star Galactica by doing doing a Battle Star Galactica Viper vs the X-Wing Fighter. I think that would be one very cool match-up!!!!
Could you do a video on who would’ve won if order 66 never happened? I’ve always wanted to know. I always thought the republic would’ve won. But want to know your opinion and thought on it. Thanks bro. Love the videos!
Star Tours takes place between III and IV, though. So what we're shown isn't the Battle of Coruscant from ROTS, the war has been over for almost two decades. It's just a Separatist holdover attacking Imperial Coruscant and the Empire uses Republic-era vessels to defend with. To further explain, there's an anecdote about Lucas wanting a battle on Hoth in the ride, even if it'd contradict canon. He argued that if Rebels fought the Empire there once before , they'd later build another base "figuring the Empire wouldn't think they would return to that same location." So when Lucas was involved in the ride's creation (pre-TFA), everything would be events that took place between III and IV, chronologically. They wanted to justify using both elements from the PT and the OT and that's where the ride's stories got placed.
Honestly I love that detail of not even the clones recognising their own ships. It makes you think what the reaction of average republic citizens were. Had there not been a battle on Coruscant, the galaxy may have reacted negatively to this sudden increase in military might and war waging capability. Instead, just like how the battle of naboo justified the clone army and granting emergency powers of sheev, the battle of Coruscant was the last step in justifying a completely military and dictatorship government to rule for the sake of safety and peace.
Star wars is a political, historical, militaristic, and cultural masterpiece
@@billclark5055 the old Star Wars I-VI yes, back while Lucas's creative vision was still in it.
@@kolman3178 "The new ones are wrong" - Episode 2, the sequel Trillogy.
Do you never get bored of saying that about the latest ones?
@@christopherg2347 I don't.
It is always under the guise of relief from crisis that the liberties of the people are eroded.
Those freight ships look like they were caught in the middle rather than being apart of the battle, could be wrong though.
Yeah that would only make sense
That would suck lol
They could also have been Trojan Horses meant to jump in and disrupt the HoloNet or land troops before the battle officially started, or to scatter mines and buzz droids and generally sow chaos above the planet. Legends Grievous is a lot more competent and devious than the nerfed version we have now, and we would see Thrawn use similar tactics in the Galactic Civil War.
Civilian Vessels... Coruscant's main biome on the planet is just a city...
A LOT of civilian ships were caught in the Battle of Coruscant. Many of them decided to join the fight on the Republic's side, if they hadn't already run off to safety
The Battle of Coruscant is one of my favourite Star Wars battles, an anthology film like Rogue One based during that battle would be amazing. I would also love an anthology like Rogue One based during the Battle of Jakku as well.
Jabiim please
Ye
Blind we are, if creation of hidden ships we could not see.
Are you telling me that the Jedi don't have full control over their force abilities anymore?!
@@palpatinethesenatehog7086 The Dark Side clouds everything
@@dominikruckert3083 _impossible_ to see, the future is...
@@dominikruckert3083 Ironic!
*Me* : *Sees two people with the Palpatine-icon*
*Me* : _This is getting out of hand! Now there are_ two _of them!_
3:28 and with the 2003 Clone Wars going over the top as usual with so many ships that CIS ships collide with enemy ships the second they leave Hyperspace and where Master Tinn decides to evacuate the entire force of a downed Venator onto an enemy shop to take it over.
I absolutely loved the shot of Tinn going into space, and they zoom into the stars showing that it's really just a massive armada of ships! It was definitely the best of 2003 Clone Wars' ridiculous over the top action, and my favorite sequence from the series.
It’s good they went over the top because the clone wars was a gargantuan, titanic war the 2008 clone wars had relatable characters but was pretty underwhelming honestly
Jedi Archives over the top? More like realistic
Daniel Fitzgerald more grounded really vs underwhelming.
@@KAISERaw17 I suppose and it did get better by season 3 I admit
I would love to see the battle over courasant more, the opening in episode 3 is still a thriller and holds up in almost every way. I wanna see what it was like on the cruisers and on the ground. The Jedi star fighter scene is great and really fun but the battle was huge!
I sense a potential new series in the making
It's my favorite part of star wars.
I want a game about Senate commandos during the High Republic era
The Clone Wars season 7 finale could be a prime opportunity for the Republic to introduce the ships earmarked to serve the imperial navy, such as the Victory star destroyer.
If a VSD turns up at the Siege of Mandalore, imma nut
That would be a nice surprise but I doubt it. It would probably retcon what we learn in the Darth Vader Volume 2 comics when he leads the Imperial invasion of Mon Calamari.
Victories are already canon Republic vessels.
@@sullivanlaramie2901 no they are not, they were decononized by Disney
And they didn’t
The space battle over coruscant is the best Space battle in Star Wars it looks so beautiful and it has great action. Seeing Obi Wan and Anakin working together and Humor from R2 perfection
Hope this turns into a series Eck! I really like this format/style, would be cool if you did the rest of the Saga! (As I already said on the last video lol).
@Bill O so we meet again lol 😂 this really would be a cool new and different series for the channel tho! 😄
Eco should do the battle of Endor next
Eck sorry
2:05 That ship (or a very similar design) appears in the comic adaption of the Thrawn novel. It is a freighter called the Dromedar.
Wow, nice spot!
@@EckhartsLadder
Thanks! I only remembered it because it looks like a freighter version of the Recusant, which I thought was interesting. I didn't know that it had already appeared in Star Tours.
Wait, the Tiabana Gas ship? Huh, I guess it wouldn't be fun to be what's basically a giant mass of ammunition in the midst of a giant space battle
@@TW-qw5zr If it's a fleet tender, it'd make sense for it to be in orbit over the planet, although its SOP was probably to get the fierfek out of Nar Shadaa in an event like this. From what I recall Grievous had either mined or otherwise set up interdiction around the planet to stop reinforcements or anyone from getting away, so that may be why they were stuck in orbit.
@@AJadedLizard the mines and interdiction was to keep Republic fleets from arriving quickly not to prevent civilian escapes
I'll bet EC Henry would like to take a crack at those background ships!
Yeah!!
Heck yeah
Yes please!!
Yes! More of this!!! I’d love to hear about the background “forgotten” ships of the other films, maybe like how EC Henry created new digital models based on the far background ships of return of the jedi, but more in a lore sense
Wish we got to see a few Mandator class Star Dreadnoughts. Loved the scene, but would have been cool if there was a lot more variety on the Republic side, and individual planetary navy warships.
Honestly, I don't expect any star Dreadnoughts of republic here becauce they are just too slow. Because of post Ruusan reformation rule limited weaponry and Hyperdrives of them to be only defensive weapons
I just wish there was a huge battle of Courscant mode in Battlefront 2 where you could actually control the Venator etc...
Imagine that would be sick
Despite the fact that V-Wings aren't shown in the film's opening, Much of the merchandise surrounding the ship place it during the battle. In fact, the ship can be seen within promotional art of the battle, they are just very hard to spot. Also, Wookieepedia also states that it V-Wing was present during the battle.
It's nice seeing the Diamond-class outside of Attack of the Clones and Empire at War mods.
Is it also called the Wavecrest Frigate??
"hello guys this is eckharts slaughter"
Aydab I hear this every time
@@russellharrell2747 #meetoo
I couldn't really see the "Diamond Ship" in the video, but I want more videos like this. The main reason I subscribed to you (and EC Henry for that matter) was to hear about all the different ships, that where used more in the backstage (like al the different types of Star Destroyer or Tie).
In one word: More.
Happy Easter everyone!!!!!
Happy easter!
"Massive Armade"
I think that might be an understatement for this battle
The Star tours clip was awesome. I never knew there was an "official" render of a Diamond cruiser with the CIS paint scheme.
You got to tell EC Henry to make these back to canon
The 2 things i realy like about your channel
The battle breakdowns with strategies and powerful ships and fleets explained
And the music ofcourse
"Number 1, the Kitchen sink"
I am starting to love this series !!
I am always excited about some Legends videos. Keep them coming!
Yeah, I remember how amazed Omega Squad was given the fact they are met with hundreds of capital ships they did not recognize.
The Republic Commando novels really were something else.
One of the things i like is that legends gives you a good sense of scale. The republic and cis were fighting a galaxy wide battle so when the capital of the republic is attacked, literally thousands of ships fight over it.
Who here wishes we could get a new Jedi order type of story but in a series? What sucks though is we won't get the EU version!!
I didn’t even know there was any revenge of the Sith version in the ride!
It cycles normally through a bunch of situations unless a recent film dropped. I went in January so all it did was keep showing the same Rise of Skywalker battle. It was pretty disappointing to not be able to experience the others.
The only problem I had with the battle of coruscant was the loss of fine additions to my collection.
@Modern Music General Kenobi!
And your freaking capital ship. You gotta keep better track of those things, dude
@@pt5175 *ahem* Starkiller Base *ahem*
Oh yeah... I forgot about that...
@@pt5175 lol
Please do more in-depth breakdown for the Battle of Coruscant! There is so much content to be had from this.
This video helped a lot, I had a gif of that star tours scene and I thought it was a deleted scene from the movie. Thanks for clearing that up
I can’t thank you enough for making these videos. They are the best thing I have to de-stress after any day. I hope that the copyright flag thing that happened a week or two ago was fixed
I liked either one of these you talked about.
Liked and enjoyed watching another GREAT vid.
Stay SAFE out there and stay AWESOME, Ecks.
“There’s a bunch of other ships in canon” - uses only legends sources
Two things, you can see some Delta 7 Jedi starfighters in the background of the Coruscant battle on board the Invisible Hand and I always wondered what that unusual looking ship in the battle of Geonosis was but now I know.
Someone call EC Henry!
He Eckhart. I like yours videos of the star wars, and want that you to know than I am from Chile and speak Spanish, And yours videos help me to learn English, thanks for that and good luck C:
PD: this comentary is drawn for me know of the English, I want than understand
I'm just loving these hidden ships videos
Your one of My Favorite Star wars YTers and Hope your having a Awesome day 🙏
I love these types of Video
I like that star tour thing, it was pretty great looking, reminds of certain scenes from science fiction films
This reminds me of the Dark Lord books when the Jedi at the beginning used a Victory star destroyer to launch their attack from.
Order 66 was given during this battle.
Battle of Murkhana to be exact.
You've been really cranking these videos out like noone's business
EC Henry should try conceptualizing some of these CIS variants from star tours
Coolest space battle ever hope TCW shows more of it since CW 2003 gave just a sneak peak.
My SWTOR era tabletop RPG would thank you immensely for doing more Revan-era ish lore...
I had no idea Star Tours had a variant for the battle of Coruscant, or even for the prequels in general. Now I really wanna see it, but given how few opportunities I get to go to Disney, much less Hollywood Studios specifically, and given how many variants Star Tours has, I have next to no hope...
You have a decent chance unless a recent film has dropped in which case they just replay the same stuff from the recent film for every ride.
Just did Star Tours and got Coruscant! It was so good!!!
i gotta say, this is my favourite star wars related channel
I kept freeze framing the Coruscant space battle in ROTS to catch any sight of V-wings, no such luck. Even though they're mentioned as present in the novelization.
They're seen passing by just as the Guarlara and the Invisible Hand close in toward each other, right after Anakin kills Dooku.
I just want to say I really enjoy your outro.
Was there a ground battle ? That would have been CRAZYYYY !
EC Henry is a very good at identifying unidentifiable ships!
That outro is always amusing
Eck, I'm pretty sure that Star Tours ship you couldn't identity was a Captor Heavy Munitions Frigate. Their profiles roughly match.
We gonna be watching these for months yay ;D
Hey Ecks it would be interesting that you made two videos: every ship from fighters to dreads for CIS and republic from clone wars from beginning to the end of war. Including pirates and mercs on the side of cis or Rep.
#AskEck Have you ever played SWTOR, if so, what do you think of it? Also do you have any opinions on the latest expansions (Jedi Under Siege and Onslaught)?
More stuff like this please!
Happy Easter
I do find it interesting that the CIS got three brand new capital ship designs plus a new starfighter AND the use of an existing starfighter and capital ship design, compared to the Republic which got three new starfighters, but only one capital ship, with no returning designs.
One of the recusant freighter-like ships looks sort of like a rocket carrier with huge vertical rocket pods instead of a hull with deck guns.
Have someone notice that in the battle of coruscant apart of the ARC-170 were also V wing starfighters in the battle.
We have to mention that it appears by a few seconds when the GUARLARA was about to fight the INVISIBLE HAND.
tambien hay uno que no se parece ni a un recusant ni a un core ship
#AskEck
The Shadows (Babylon 5) vs the Dominion (Star Trek DS9).
Thor's Hammer While interesting I doubt Eck will answer as the factions aren’t from his main sci-fis.
I give it to the shadows, the RPG sourcebooks put their enemies, the vorlons, as forerunner level on their peak.
@@dianavespid937
Is there any proof the Shadows are on Forerunner levels of power? Afterall most of the time we see them bombing planets very quickly. The Dominion has similar weaponry since considering the fact that 20 Romanians and Cardassians ships had bombarded a planets entire crust layer off in a single barrage in Deep Space Nine.
The battle against the Death Cloud had thousands of ships on each side. And that was when the Cloud arrived which was mid-battle.
Also you’ll have to ignore outliers because teraton/pettaton Trek simply does not work lol. The photon torpedoes have a hard number of double-digit megatons.
The vorlons had billions of ships on dry-dock and they can clone themselves to crew them. Also they have the planet killers. They do not use the billions of ships for obvious reasons. The vorlons can also mind-control other beings.
@Thor's Hammer Babylon 5 Roleplaying Game 2nd Edition: Drakh, Page 52
Memetic Virus: The memetic viruses are one of the more curious products of the Shadows’ billion-year-old technology. It is a thought that leaps from mind to mind, an image that cannot be forgotten and which wreaks havoc in the minds of those who see it. The Techno-Mages speak proudly about knowing ‘the fourteen words to make someone fall in love with you forever; seven words to make them go without pain, or to say goodbye to a friend who is dying.’ The Shadows gave them those secrets and more, and they are encoded in the memetic viruses.
While the Drakh recovered some of the memetic viruses from Z’ha’dum, encoded in Shadow runes onto indestructible stone tablets, they have not yet managed to comprehend any of them or make use of them. The power of the memetic viruses is vast - with them, the Drakh could rewrite minds just by broadcasting a message, or speaking to a foe. The virus is just a few words or an image whose individual components are very simple, but when put together, their combined effect is tremendous.
Babylon 5 Roleplaying Game 1st Edition: Darkness and Light, Page 6
These early Shadows lacked the advanced technology they would later possess and also lacked the seductive cunning they would use to divide and conquer. They made up for both these deficits with sheer numbers...
They met the Shadow armada in an epic battle in the galactic core. The battle was so nightmarish that accounts of it survive to this day, even though it took place millions of years ago,
In the core, the stars are so closely packed that they turn the night sky into a glaring actinic fi eld of white light. There is no darkness between the stars there - space is a hot, bright place. The alliance of the First Ones assembled there to battle the Shadows. There were so many black Shadow ships that they blotted out the light not merely of the local star, but of the entire galaxy. The alliance fleet was surrounded by darkness and in every part of that darkness was another ship of the seemingly infinite Shadow host. Building that armada consumed all of the resources of a dozen systems and its like would never be seen again.
The Shadows were defeated. They had superior technology and roughly equal numbers but the synergy of the other races, combined with the might of the Speakers’ vessels, overwhelmed them. The Shadow armada wavered, broke and was defeated.
The shadows outnumbered the vorlons but not the combined might allied races, which again, the vorlons alone had billions of vessels. So even if the shadow battlecruisers were only in the megatons, they can play the numbers game and simply swarm even the jem'hadar fighters.
This is assuming they don't just mind control the jem'hadar into their ranks.
Thank you for the correct pronunciation of Lucrehulk.
I have to say the carrak cruiser always perplexed me, because of the bridge window design it looks like it was intended to be a much smaller ship. It looks like it was intended to be a troop carrier or maybe an ATAT or ATST lander. They way it exists in Canon now would make the bridge Windows three levels high at least. It was a weird choice to just leave it like it is, instead of making a few simple design corrections.
It makes total sense for palpitane to have been working on the victory class destroyers bc the clone wars end a few months after this battle
#AskEck
Do you think a mega-ion canon, like the Malevolence used, beefed up and adapted to use on planets would make a good superweapon? It would disable the planet's defences and communications while leaving the planet itself and it's core infrastructure intact for the users of said mega-ion canon to exploit.
Err... wouldn't something strong enough to break the planetary shield _and_ the local shields covering the planetary defense installations, while having enough juice left to fry those (presumably hardened) systems A) Completely fry any civilian infrastructure, so you'd need to replace everything anyway and B) cause a huge lightning storm as the excess charge tries to distribute itself?
@@boobah5643 That's actually a key limitation/weakness for this weapon I had in mind. In order to limit the damage to the planet's infrastructure the power and calibration of the blast have to be precisely tuned to match the planetary shields, atmosphere, level of tech etc. Too little and the shields and atmosphere soak it all up leaving ground defences unharmed, too much and you get the scenes that you described.
I even envisioned the heroes feeding false data into the calculations for a blast so that on it's next run when it fires the bad guys think the planet is defenceless only to get into atmosphere and find all the guns still active.
@@IAmEvilTree To me, this feels like building one machine that can both pick up a car or an egg without breaking either. It can be done, but it almost certainly makes more sense to have two different devices.
It's an example of overwhelming power plus finesse, and that works best when you're using the finesse to limit _where_ you hit, rather than how hard. It's especially a problem when some of what you want to break (defenses) is harder than what you want to not break (infrastructure.)
Mind, I have a problem with the idea of surprise superweapons in general, outside the occasion of previously isolated groups coming into contact, so I'm predisposed to discount the things.
@@boobah5643 You raise some good points. Maybe have the ion canon attack in two bursts, maybe from two separate emitters, one powerful to knock out the planetary shields, the other precise to go through the atmosphere and disable the ground defences.
I'm picturing a ship similar to the Malevolence firing it's weapon from one side then turning over, while charging a new shot, then firing with the other.
Then again disabling planetary shields alone would make for a formidable weapon, maybe just have that and let turbolaser orbital bombardment and fighter bombing runs do the rest to the unshielded planet.
I'm pitching this superweapon partly because it isn't a surprise. The technology on a fleet disabling scale has been used in the clone wars and the thought of some organisation taking that and going the next step forward isn't farfetched.
@@IAmEvilTree they would be able to tell the shields are still up
I think as the transition from the republic to the empire of tarkin doctrine an important question is in order: how much of the old fleet get recycled vs mothballed or left to break down floating in space vs used for weapons testing like target practice for the death star?
First ship mentioned at 1:53,looks like a Quasar Fire, aft quarter view, with the Chevron shaped hull.
Providence class cruisers and dreadnaughts will always be my most favorite warships in Star Wars.
Got to had it to old Palpatine. He made a justification for the Clone army with Episode 2, then he makes a justification / play at opening up new ships lines, by having those ships come to the rescue of Coruscant. As for my preference, I do enjoy the traditional lore usage more but supplementing with stuff like the Star Tours is cool in its own way.
This is where the fun begins
I recall seeing another Providence and it was on fire as Anakin evades the discord missiles during the opening scene.
If I remember correctly, the Mandator-I had a limited hyperspace route and only Corelliia, Alaskan and Just had them pre clone wars. A few were built ad well as two Mandator-IIs (and some were upgraded) so it's not sure if they could arrive. It's not stayed for what purposes the Mandator-IIs were built for, probably core fleets but by 19 BBY Palpatine federalized all the sector and planetary defense forces into the Republic Navy
Love your stuff. As you seem equally fascinated by SDs ans SSDs I would very much like to ask you to look into the possibility that the SSD in ROTJ might not be the Executor after all but the Emperor's personal SSD. As the bridge design varies heavily from the one of the Executor from ESB and we have a storyboard that clearly shows the Emperor's shuttle originating from a SSD we might be talking about two different ships. Of course I am aware that officially it has been stated/retconned that this is the Executor but the original novel identifies it pretty generic most of the times it is mentioned besides one time when it is called "Vader's flagship". Maybe you can look into this from a non-in-universe perspective and compare the facts back from 1983?
I love all your videos!
I imagine Palpitine brought in few isd1s had them blow away a few ships( somehow insuring the droids couldn’t hurt them) and had them jump out in order to begin the fear of the pose of those ships
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Looks like a terminus-class destroyer, former sith empire
SWTOR era
I really love it when they combin ot stuff like Caracks, Dreadnoughts, Victory and Imperial I Star destroyers into the clone wars. Sadly whe never get to see it on screen.
When you hear Eckheart Slaughter instead of Eckhearts Ladder: Chuckles I’m in danger
The Lore stuff was more interesting. But the star tour stuff was cool visually. Also, I didn't know the Diamond class was in ANY of the movies. Where does it pop up?
There are some parked on the surface of Geonosis during Attack of the Clones.
If you pay attention in revenge of the Sith, the movie itself actually has a bunch of strange CIS ship refits. Recusant with the dorsal platforms or bridge removes, Munificents without bridge or rear towers, récusants with only one engine... God knows what those are, but I’d like to call these the Munificent-class Droid Cruiser and the Recusant-class Automated destroyer. I suppose those ships are fully automated, or maybe they are armored conversions of the previous models, with greater armor, shielding and automation systems, in which case you could call them the Munificent armored frigate refit or Recusant armored destroyer refit.
The star tours has come a long way from 92 when I went on the ride in Florida had the rotj battle I can mainly remember
5:57 Tector star destroyer? I've never heard of that one.
It's basically just an up-armored Imperial Star Destroyer that lacks a hangar. You can see it briefly in RotJ.
luv to see more of this
I liked the use of the word scrum
An Official Star Wars Short film with only the battle of Coruscant would be very interesting.
I love Easter Ecks.
Mass capital ship engagements are something I wish star wars would do more
Given the CIS' history of salvaging and rebuilding destroyed Battledroids from the field, I would hazard that the freighter with the engine module of a Recusant might have been improvised from working parts salvaged after a space battle. Either that, or it's simply a Commerce Guild design: having modules that share function across different ship classes makes your supply lines more efficient, and efficient supply lines save lives.
Maybe do an episode on the creation of a third death star to help reconcile it with canon
Hey Eckhart could you please show some love for the classic Battle Star Galactica by doing doing a Battle Star Galactica Viper vs the X-Wing Fighter. I think that would be one very cool match-up!!!!
Could you do a video on who would’ve won if order 66 never happened? I’ve always wanted to know. I always thought the republic would’ve won. But want to know your opinion and thought on it. Thanks bro. Love the videos!
Star Tours takes place between III and IV, though. So what we're shown isn't the Battle of Coruscant from ROTS, the war has been over for almost two decades. It's just a Separatist holdover attacking Imperial Coruscant and the Empire uses Republic-era vessels to defend with. To further explain, there's an anecdote about Lucas wanting a battle on Hoth in the ride, even if it'd contradict canon. He argued that if Rebels fought the Empire there once before , they'd later build another base "figuring the Empire wouldn't think they would return to that same location." So when Lucas was involved in the ride's creation (pre-TFA), everything would be events that took place between III and IV, chronologically. They wanted to justify using both elements from the PT and the OT and that's where the ride's stories got placed.
Dreadnaught heavy cruisers are my favorite.
One of those freighters looked like resupply/refueling ships
With all the multi-media stuff and ESPECIALLY Galaxy's Edge, you'd think Star Tours would be canon