How to do a short turn in Motorcycle: the Japanese's like U-turn 2 (Level Up) - English version
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- At least, here is the upgrade of the movie "the Japanese's like U-turn" : better musics (I hope lol), new technics, new scenes, etc.
For a faster and shorter U-turn, with lot of sensations, and a U-turn, that you can do in circulation, or during Moto Gymkhana exercises...
If you speak french, here is a book where you can find more informations about us and our technics : www.thebookedit...
You have great skills at slow speeds. Good write up. Your English was good enough to be understood. Ignore the morons that have grammar problems. Thanks for sharing.
thank you, you're nice :)
1. We are not morons if we are seriously trying to be better safer riders. 2. If you are so informed in his instructions how about letting the rest of us know what you were taught?
fuck off
Thank you for sharing. The best lesson I ever taught my son was to show me how slow he could go around a course, not how fast . His skills increased hugely.
You did a great job with your son, congratulations :)
I enjoyed this...even after riding for a few years in all sorts of weather and conditions, it amplifies the skill of a good rider.
+armarra :)
I came back from Metz doing the course last weekend and feel like sharing a few words.
If you catch yourself watching Anti Pilote de Ligne Droit videos more than twice, it's time for you to plan yourself a trip to France. :)
It will be more than worth it, you will learn a lot and acquire fantastic new skills which may also save you from a possible future crash, if you rely solely on countersteering to turn and one day slippery surface betrays you.
This is more than just riding a motorcycle, it's about increasing overall awareness and proprioception about you and your body.
If you have ever done any martial art in your life, you'll find strong resemblence, it's about finding that fine delicate feel for things and perfecting it.
Yes, this is a martial art, and Clément is a sensei. A motorcycle Yoda which will show you your way to become a Jedi knight. :)
He'll take you into the deep dark forest where 2+2=5 and you cannot (!) fall of the motorcycle.
You'll be up exploring the uncharted territory through a series of challenging tasks and brilliant exercises and each will grab you way out of your comfort zone but at the end you will manage!!! :)
Come fit!
The body effort needed to lean the motorcycle Japanese style is very tough on your core, as you need to hold your body yourself at all times, so better come as fit as you can, do stability exercises, planks, side planks and push-ups.
Come prepared!
Study all the major Anti Pilote de Ligne Droit videos so you can ask all the right questions.
Take your girlfriend/wife with you!
Metz is a beautiful place and France at its best!
The closest international airport to Metz is in Luxembourg, which is only 1h train ride away.
That's a convenient way to arrive.
My advice: take a week off and do two courses on two consecutive weekends!
Thank you Zeljko, for this kind message :) I am very glad that you understood it as you describe it :)
I have been riding 14 years now, i know how to turn!! ...but after watching this, I realise I really didn't know how to turn, lol!
I love learning new techniques, can't wait to fix my bike and try out some of this cool stuff, good video ..
Thank you :) I am glad you enjoyed it :)
I don't leave comments on RUclips that often but I just felt that I should give you some credit. this video makes me wanna try it on My motorcycle. It seems like a nice technique to learn. Regular u turns are over rated. I'm sure this one will catch a lot of attention on the street when executed as smooth as you do it. Thanks for sharing. Keep it up.
deecaliboy Thanks :) I hope it will help you to do it :)
I‘ve ridden an FJR for 7 years, doing this tight turns on such a heavy bike takes a lot of training and confidence 😉 👍🏻
Everything can be learned :)
Finally a video that actually makes sense! I've always ridden my scooter this way. Then I took the MSF class and they were talking pushing the handle bar to counter steer and other unnecessary nonsense! This video shows physics in action. The bike is a gyro once it's moving and wants to stay up. When it leans, the bike tries to change direction so that it can straighten itself up. If, instead you keep it leaned, it will keep going in circles, trying to straighten itself. Without additional input, the bike will lean at an angle that balances its need to straighten vs the weight of the bike and rider pulling it down. the gyro effect gets stronger its speed so at higher speeds, you need to lean into the turn, adding weight to counteract the bike's tendency to straighten up. At low speeds, the weight of the bike is stronger than the gyro effect, so you need to lean out of the corner to help the gyro keep it up. So simple and intuitive. If you understand the physics intuitively (your body already does), you will never drop the bike as long as you have traction and never take an impossible corner. Wonderful video.
Also, all that handle bar input they teach in MSF classes is overblown. You don't need to "do" so much and be that involved in riding and turning. The bike will do most of the work for you if you let it.
+Cow Rider thanks for your comment :) but what does "MSF" mean? I don't know it :(
+AntiPiloteDelLigneDroite It stands for Motorcycle Safety Foundation. In the United States, there are motorcycle classes offered by various groups. Completing an MSF class usually is enough to get you a motorcycle license, I.e. No need to take another riding test at the license office. www.msf-usa.org
+Cow Rider oh, ok, thanks :)
countersteering occurs anytime the bike is in motion. The "gyro" effect and the coutnersteer work together to effect the change of lean angle of the bike.
This is actually what is taught to me in the Dutch special manoeuvring training, part of your motorcycle driving license exams. To me it felt more natural than it looked, and I never had the feeling I was going to drop the bike. It all comes down to trusting the bike staying in a natural balance, as long as you keep it in motion it will not fall over easily. I'm lucky enough I could learn this using the driving schools bike, rather than my own later down my motorcycle career.
+Ricardo Snoek This is not part of our motorcycle driving license exams :) And a few people are riding like this, this is why I did this movie, to show another way to drive, in which Moto Gymkhana is the "consécration" (in French in the text lol)
This is good if you are learning to drive like this, I think :)
One of the best slow speed handling applied to day-to-day use I have ever seen on youtube.
Great tips! I'll try to practice.
I hope it helps :)
I love this video since it covers all types of turns, and with style!
Thank you :)
Well, I'd sure love to practice that ... If only I could afford to drop my bike getting there ...
+Anvilshock Here is my new bike (the second one that will appear during the movie, not the first one) :) as you can see, there is no crash bars lol like with the FJR on the previous movie...
But, you need to accept the fall of the bike... It is the price to pay to increase your manoeuvering skills :)
@109420695486532129026 While I do understand the preciousness of such training, I do endeavour to keep said price from needing to be paid at all, given it's a heavy, fully clad Japanese classic with replacement fairing neither common, cheap, nor timely to obtain, adapt in paint, and install.
+Anvilshock well seems like it might be cheaper to get a small dual sport or something to practice on.
Anvilshock Hey, I did not see your comment before, sorry :( but I have to be honest, you have better skills in english than me, and I do not understand what you said, sorry :(
AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite he said he doesn't want to crash because it's expensive and hard to replace parts.
I've watched your first video a few years back, and thoroughly enjoyed it. After practicing the concepts myself, I think I can make an attempt at a clearer English explanation:
1. Body position can initiate which direction the motorcycle will lean. Place your torso left, bike leans left; torso right, bike leans right. The faster the speed, the smaller the effect. See the hands-off demo.
2. Speed affects how tight the bike will "naturally" turn when already leaned. Slower speeds means the bike will turn tighter, BUT it also turns quicker--the handlebars will turn towards the direction of the lean quicker the slower you go. See the off-bike running demo.
3. Using the rear brake (preferably) as the bike is already leaned, tightens the radius of the turn the more the speed is reduced. As the speed is reduced, the bike not only leans more and turns tighter, but also does both at a quicker rate than at faster speeds. Hence the "brake makes accelerate" comment on the video.
4. Body position begins with center of mass to the inside of the turn to initiate the turn, then shifts to the outside of the turn (counter weight) as the speed and radius of the turn decreases.
I thought that the rest of the video was fairly clear. Hope this helps a few people.
Nice work :) Your english is really better than mine. About counter weight: it is not what I wanted to say. For me, You have to turn your shoulders in the same direction than the handlebar. It is not counter weight :)
In spite of the music (!!!!) and the ESL text, this is an excellent instructional video. Thank you for posting!
lol Thank you for watching this movie, although the music and the texts ''hurts'' you :)
The occasional bad English makes it bit hard to understand sometimes but the video is still very useful. I will visit again!
+FodderRev Thank you :) I am from France, so speaking english is not easy for us :) Remember that England and us were fighting for the domination of the world in the 18th, 19th centuries, and we lost ah ah
Ha ha! Well, my first guess was Italian but second guess would have been French, looking at the sentence structure. Anyway, the video is still very informational!
FodderRev The movie is in French too, if you want :)
AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Merci beaucoup but I understand very little francais.
"But way off alone, out by himself beyond boat and shore,
Jonathan Livingston Seagull was practising. A hundred feet in
the sky he lowered his webbed feet, lifted his beak, and strained
to hold a painful hard twisting curve through his wings. The
curve meant that he would fly slowly, and now he slowed until
the wind was a whisper in his face, until the ocean stood still
beneath him. He narrowed his eyes in fierce concentration,
held his breath, forced one ... single ... more ... inch ... of ...
curve ... "
from page 1 of the book "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" or, "Jonathan Livingston le Goéland" :)
Thank you... i'm learning to ride a motorcycle. Just got my licence today. That was a great book; back when i read so much as a kid. I'll read it again. :)
Thank you for this. I'm a hard core balance practicer for all the 7 years I've been riding. Of course I admire gymkana riding and wondered how you get those nice tight turns. AH so! braking in the turn to make it tighter. I do that, sort of, but suddenly I'm going to get much better at it. Please make more videos like this. It can only be good for everybody if Americans take an interest in this style of riding.
OK, this was very helpful. Thank you
+Blissfully_Kryptic you're welcome :)
R2Mintus Nice :) hope you'll enjoy it again :)
I found this video really interesting and learnt a lot from it. The riders have so much confidence. Thanks for posting.
Thank you for your comment :)
Great video, subscribed. When I was younger it was all about how fast I could go (with little skill, resulting in a bad crash). With different priorities now, learning these type of skills keeps the challenge of motorcycling there without risking life and limb. I might just get some crash bungs first though!
Paul Robson thanks :) We are doing this kind of driving for the reason you said :) But, now, with the good technik and experience of it, we have lot of sensation, sometimes, I feel a "2g" acceleration during a U-turn :)
Amazing lesson. Between what we ear and what we see it is fantastic
Thank you :)
This new video I just released can help you too, I think : ruclips.net/video/7Im3eU9LBZ0/видео.html
Great Job!
Very detailed explanations. I am planning to record a video to my friends (beginners here in Brazil) trying to explain the best techniques to U-turn at low speed. This video helps a lot to understand the main variables involved.
Thanks and hugs from Brazil
Guilherme
+Guilherme Moto Relax hey :) I am glad if I can help you :) I will probably do another movie about this U-turn, to explain how to accelerate :)
Excellent bike control! Interesting watching how your body position shifts from street riding style (lean into the corner) to more of a dirt riding style (push bike down while keeping weight upright) very rapidly. I clearly need to practice more!
oh, at least, somebody who see that I am not doing counter weight, but pushing the bike with my legs :) thank you :)
I hope you'll enjoy it :)
Very well explained! I knew the technique, but always had problems explaining it to my pupils. Thank you!
I hope it could help :)
Can't wait to try this! Slow-speed maneuvers are my bane.
+Ron Stewart Have fun :)
very nice video, thanks a lot
there is a "balance" between low speed turn and high speed turn, which depends a lot of the weight of the motorcycle.
the lower the speed-turn, the more unstable the motorcycle becomes (there is very few inertia to continue moving the motorcycle forward), that is why you have to compensate with your body weight, shifting it into the outside of the turn and by so given better balance to make the turn.
the high the speed-turn, the more stable the bike is (lots of inertia to continue moving forward), so in order to help the bike to turn, you have to offset the weight by putting your body in the same side of the turn.
+Diego Bolanos Thanks for your comment :) but it is not what I am doing... I am not using counter weight... I am just moving my shoulders to have my arm never straight, to be smoth with the handlebar, the trottle, the clutch and the front brake...
I am using the fall of my body from the bike to make it lean, using the strengh of my legs to make the bike follow me in my fall, this is why you can see first my body in the same side than the turn...
Thanks for that. I've always struggled with slow speed manoeuvres on my big bike, especially when fully loaded for touring...so I shall practice your pointers 👍🏼
:)
Thank you so much for this very instructive lesson. Having had my first fall after only 10 days of motorcycling, I had lost my confidence - but now I know what I did wrong. Going downhill into a sharp hairpin bend, a) I used the front brake; b) I was leaning to the wrong side (at very slow speed).
I hop eit will help you to go back on the road :)
Don't be afraid of using the front brake. You actually have more stopping power with the front brake alone than with the rear brake alone. Having said that, it is often recommended to only use the rear brake if going down a steep hill, like you might find in off road or enduro riding.
You may have made other mistakes that led your fall that if they were eliminated, you could go through the same turn and use the front brake, and ride smoothly through it.
So I hope you weren't hurt and that you'll keep riding and keep practicing.
Thank you; I guess I also pulled the brake too hard because I panicked... The automatic gear box had disengaged (under 20km/h), and beside the bend was a steep precipice without barrier... But thanks to the slow speed I was not badly hurt.
Yes, practice will be the main thing. I rode bicycles for some 50 years; they feel like second legs to me, but motorcycles behave a fair bit different.
As a matter of interest: Is there a minimum speed, below which a motorbike becomes unstable? I think there must be; however looking at this video, it seems very slow speeds are possible.
featherstone Since you've ridden bicycles for so long, I'm sure you've seen people attempt to stay upright without putting their feet on the ground when waiting at a stop. The same can be done with a motorcycle. So it's a problem of managing stability. It's an object in motion, so all the principles of speed and weight placement still apply. After all, a motorcycle or any object can become unstable at high speeds.
However, when it comes to slow speed turns, I do feel one obstacle people find hard to get over that they don't realize is they are so used to doing slow speed, deep lean turns on a bicycle while coasting and they try to carry that over to a motorcycle. And because of the extreme weight difference, they become fearful of how far they can lean over. When in fact the motor continuing to drive the bike is a factor that allows you to stay upright on slow, deep lean turns.
To tell the truth i am so glad to subscribe on your channel😊you look proffessional and that was so helpful for me as a beginner
+Gab Mushakess thanks, but I am a "professional" lol In France, my job is driving instructor, and I have a bachelor in Physics... This is why I think I understand how to use forces to have a safe and fun way of driving, as they are doing in Japan. And I can teach it, thanks to the Educational quality I developped due to my job (driving instructor, and "driving-instructor" teacher lol)
I am from jordan and nice to meet you 😊vous ete tres gentil merci beaucoup
+Gab Mushakess You're welcome :)
Thank you for the detailed explanation... Now, it is time to go out and experiment.. 🙏🙏🙏
You're welcome, good luck :)
Words of warning, this will only work under about 18mph or even less. As he says in the video "more I run the less it turns" When you're speed picks up leaning will not over come the gyroscopic effect of the bike in motion. that's when counter steering is required.
This is why I said in the title : u-turn :)
But about counter steering, I don't agree. You can counter steer at slow speed too (I did a video about that , but it is in French). And at higher speed, I "use" only self counter steer...
really nice! I think you just gave me more insight I can add to what I got from Ride Like A Pro, and might be just enough to help me make tight turn. Thanks again.
queasyRider3 thanks for your comments :) It is cool that this video could help you :)
It may not be available over there, but RLAP is the Ride Like A Pro course. watching the dvd does little good, but getting out in the cone setup (instructions and progression come with the dvd) makes the average clueless rider ride better than 98% of all the street riders today.
It does help when there's more than one rider to help set up and restamd cones during the practice.
Bro wtf you make me want to let go of the handlebars on my motorcycle and lean over. You make it look so easy wtf!!! Good job!!!
I hope you will do it :)
Excellent Video. Will be trying this on my 05 zx636 when my broken pinky heals!
+Travis khan Nice :) hope you will succeed in doing it, and have fun :)
I used to do these kind of stunts much better than you.
But only in GTA.... -__-
Lot to learn from you pal.. French people are cool and irresistable
You are awesome
+Mohamed Naveed lol thank you :) I was a gamer when I was younger, I worked for Electronic Arts, so I know what you feeel in games :)
Very helpful! Also shows me how much I have to learn! Impressive.
You're welcome :)
This is amazing :) im going to find someone that trains people to ride like this in Australia ありがとうございました
Thank you, I hope you'll find it :)
Thanks! I just tried this based on your clarification above (letting the handlebars turn on their own (without any steering inputs) as the bike is leaned over; following the natural movement of the handlebars turning with your shoulders as shown and noted in the video). U-turns getting tighter! :)
I found that leaning the body forward as the shoulders follow the handlebars turning helps (as shown - but not noted ;) - in the video
+2391jessie :) I am glad if it helped :)
You can see here a training race with a XJ6 first, then a CBR :)
ruclips.net/video/cT6JhVIx0LU/видео.html
Nicely shown. Some people have a lot of problems with these types of moves.
Thank you :) Yes, i saw that with some kind of comments lol
Excellent presentation and very helpful, thank you mister.
You're welcome, thank you :)
Amazing and helpful video, thank you!
You're welcome :)
Good VDO. Love it !
Thank you :)
Haha, je me sens pas encore prêt à essayer ça sur mon fazer, et tu fais ça sur un xjr comme si de rien n'était ! Chapeau, belle maitrise.
Merci :) maintenant, suis passé à un CBR, pour que ça braque moins au guidon ;) mais ça tourne quand même aussi court lol
my adventurebike weights like 250kilos im way to scared to do all those experiments with it. i had two grom's tho... maybe i should test with them :-D i drive every day... by rain, snow, sun everything but im by far not as good as you are! great werk.
Thank you :) it is not the only way to drive, don't worry, but this kind of driving make me have fun without driving fast. This is why I love it: I have fun with a few risk. I can fall, but as I am leaned, and slow, when I fall, I am not far away from the ground before the fall lol
No attention to pilot eye was given in the making of this video
+David Ammerlaan ? really ?
"the motorcycle goes where you're watching" says any monitor. But of course, its only makes thing easier
Pilot = motorcycle rider.
It's even terrible to see, that apparently only in NL this is a common part of the exams.
Thank you for this video. In my country, when going to driving school for bikes they don't teach you any of this. NONE OF IT. I know, because I have a licence for a bike. I have so much to learn.
+Bane Tudajfor Hey, it is the same in France, you have to know... Only a few driving school are teaching this way of driving, and it is the same in all other the world. Only in Japan they are a lot of driving schnool that working like this :)
Way Better and better music too aha thanks for this 👍🏾
:)
one of the explaination and demo for bike's uturn on youtube. genius!
luqman mustapa Thanks, man :) Hope it's helpfull :)
U deserves it sir. Can u please make a video tutorial how to avoid obstacle for rider? There are some arguments out there and I cant wait to hear it from u :)
luqman mustapa Do you mean that you want a video that explains the countersterring ?
AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite regarding to how rider avoid a sudden obstacle on street. There are some arguments. Some say its better to countersteer with keep the body upright but there are also people saying its better to lean with the bike when swerve . I'd love to hear it from you as your explanation is the best so far. Thanks a lot sir
luqman mustapa I've already done a movie abvout this subkect, but it is in French. I will translate it in english, but you should be patient lol
thats.... incredible.... i clearly need lessons on low speed maneuvers now
Thank you :) Please come in France, we are doing training course about this :)
hahaha that would be quite the trip since im in the US.
Will be sending to my friends. to up their skills. awsome video.
Thank you :)
This is great. I learned so much from your video. Thank you.
Thank you :)
So I think you will like this other videos too:
With a BMW1200RT: ruclips.net/video/ZMl3Y-4Tcrc/видео.html
And this very special one : ruclips.net/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/видео.html
Great video.
+Steve Maggers Thanks :)
great techniques! when do you use both front and rear brakes?
Thank you :)
Most of the time, I am using them during Moto Gymkhana, because you can do mistakes with no risk of being hurt by other cars or motorcycles ;)
Excellent video. Thank you for uploading it. Very helpful.
I am glad if it could help you :)
In Belgium, it's mandatory to learn how to do several "8 shape" u-turns with a very very tight radius, before the actual driving test.
This is similar to this video, but performed at a slower speed and much tighter.
I've learned riding like that, on a ER6 bike, and let me tell you, the first hours are pretty harsh haha. Many of my fellow 'students' were crashing all the time during the u-turns. (Some people crashed 20+ times per session)
I saw some U-turn that were done in Belgium, by some driving student. And I had a Belgium instructor in one of my training course. What he said about how people learn to ride a motorcylce in Belgium is a little different from what you say. In the driving test, you don't have tighter U-turn than here, as you have to do it in 6m, but outside traffic lanes. In this video, they are made in a 6m wide road, with the FJR, and less than 5m with the XJ6 (but outside traffic lanes in this case).
More over, we are not doing them in the same way, this is why these are faster than the one you are doing. And this is why this driving instructor came from Belgium to learn how to do this kind of U-turn.
And last thing, if a student could crash more than 20 times per session, the instructor should modifie his way of teaching... Falling when learning is normal, but a few time, only...
This is awesome. Must start practicing
Thank you :)
Faster inclined, slower turned. Beautiful.
thanks
Thank u so much for the English ur great!!!!!
Aubrey kruger You're welcome :) Hope it helps :)
This is the first time I've seen this video - very interesting!
Nice job!!
Thank you :)
If you feel you have an issue with any of these sort of movements, go to an empty parking lot and practice. You should never have to fight the bike or feel uncomfortable. You can work in unison and it should always feel smooth (unless avoiding something in an emergency/hurry) , if it doesn't try something different. It's like a waltz between you and your bike. (Side note: Remember not to focus on the obstacle directly in front of you, but to be preparing for the next one which lies ahead of it. (little trick i was tought as a kid in racing school which may save your life on the road and will definitely improve any offroad riding)
Interesting stuff! Thanks for creating, sharing and translating for the English speaking :D
+Harshad Dixit lol It seems that my english translations are not so good :(
+AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite They are good enough.
+Fck Uyo thanks, you're nice, but it is true: translations could have been better :)
This is a very interesting concept. It's how riding a bicycle with no hand work. I'm anxious to try out the 1st exercise, but with my hand lightly on the handlebars to start.
+Mack Lu Hey :) the very first one, you can do it in 3rd or 4th gear to start :)
With no hands, I couldn't initiate the turn by leaning my body. I ended up weighting the pegs and it worked great regardless of how I leaned my body. Looking at the video again, it seems like you are doing the same.
I just remembered that my CBR comes stock with electronic steering dampening. But still, using peg weighting did allow me to do what you were doing in the 1st exercise.
+AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite I'll try the 2nd exercise next. It seems like the first exercise, but you used the rear brake to control the speed and the radius of the turn.
+Mack Lu Hey :) you can lean with your weight, without using the pegs, but you need to accept the sensation of "falling". In fact, you have to lean your body first, then use your weight, but then you will feel you falling, this is why it is difficult to lean the bike. If you are using the pegs, it will be difficult to use the rear brake during the second exercize...
The XJ6 is full stock too, and now, my CBR from 2015 is full stock too :)
really good display of fisics and perfect explanation on actually happend when you turn at different speeds
thank you
question:
what bikes have been used in the video?
+je jee I am glad that you liked it :) it was Yamha FJR (my personal bike), and Yamaha XJ6 (my driving school's bike)
useful information thanks for putting it together
+Oriole Alventa thanks for your comment :) but it seems that the translations I did from the French version to the english version is not so good :(
Brilliant video - thanks
you're welcome
This is a great video. I only had one problem while doing this, coping with bike stalling. Sometimes the engine died while cornering.
Thank you :) maybe you can use the clutch? Or you'll need to be very smooth with the brake and the trottle :)
AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Maybe that's the problem, too much braking. I'll have to use the rear brake more or i'll risk dropping the bike. Thanks ;)
Thanks for this lesson. So use back brake predominantly and practice, practice, practice. Which I shall. Do you find, however, turning one direction easier than the other.
You're welcome :) yes, for me, it is easier to turn on the right lol
I don't get taught this in motoschool I go to. This looks beautiful.
SovietZekk Thanks :) I do teach it to my drivers students :)
awesome video, great soundtrack !
Ryan Aylsworth thank you :) you're nice :)
Excellent video!
merci :)
This video was very informative. Thanks!
You're welcome :)
Great video and very impressive skills but the question is how do you reach that level without dropping your bike many times?
+Crisisbiker I will try to explain myself, but in english it is not easy for me :(
Because I am using technics that helps to not fall :) I am not using countersteering, I am letting the bike to fall with my weight and the reduction of the speed. Then, it turns, and thanks to teh centrifugal force, the bike stops to fall: I just have to find the balance between the reduction of the speed and the reduction of the turns, to have a centrifugal force enough powerfull to slow down the fall of the bike in a first part, then I have to find the balance between the increasing of the speed and the increasing of the turns to have a centrifugal forces enough powerfull to stand up the bike, in a second part :)
It is easy to say, but not easy to do. In France, I am doing a two days training course for those who want to learn how to do it :)
Thanks for your comment and your English was perfect. I think I have experienced something similar when I felt I was going to drop the bike at slow speed but it actually rolled round on full lock as you described. I would love to improve my slow riding skills to this level, but unfortunately I cannot come to France for your course, so I will do some practice at home and try to improve. Merci beaucoup!
I want to try this! Nice video m8!
Juanca Rodríguez Hey, thanks for your comment :) I am glad that this way of doing motorcycle pleased people :)
yes i agree bout the translation or explanation of the terms used...but excellent control ..very impressive..much like on dirt mastering the "dog finger " using the throttle and front brake independently. for 180 degree. turns ......
Thank you :) now, with a little more training, I can do shorter turns with my CBR :)
This is excellent. Little hard to follow his English, but this is excellent content.
Thank you :)
Please look to the newest video, I think I did progress when I write in english :)
Great vid, so right. Biceps wont steer a motorcycle. No matter what speed or situation.
Thank you :)
nice tips. thank you.
+NakedDude You're welcone :)
Thank you for a very interesting tutorial!
Scott Ransmeier I am glad it pleased to you :)
Awsome vídeo, thanks alot for sharing that information! Don't suppose there's a translation of the book to english or portuguese any time soon?!
1. Does stiff seat affect difficulty of slow maneuaver?
2. when doing u turn by counter-weighting,
a)do you use engine brake + rear brake with squeezed clutch? or just engine brake + rear brake?
I learned that for slow uturn, I have to use friction zone + rear brake + little throttle, but I think your way is different.
b)I do move my body to opposite direction of turning, but even the handlebar is not in full lock, it's very unstable. Do I have to give pressure on outside peg and outside handlebar?
When I rode light tu250x, it was pretty easy, but not now with heavier sv650....
1. I don't think so
2. I am not using counter weight. When I am moving my shoulders, I want them to be parallel with the handlebar, that's all :)
a) it depends of your speed at the beginning of the turn. When I am starting the turn, my speed is around 20-25km/h. So I am using front brake, rear brake and engine brake, and trottle. But when I am slower at the beginning, I am using the clutch, the trottle and the rear brake
b) If you want not to fall, you need to be full lock, with the good speed. Counterweight or watether is useless : how could you think you can counterweight a heavy bike ? :) Just find the good speed with the full lock, to have enough centrifugal force (which is higher with speed, or small radius). I did a video about this :)
Loved this video--thank you.
Cedi Ali Rajah you're welcome :) It was nice to do it :) thanks for your comment :)
Cet video est formidable. Merci beaucup et plus s'il vous plait
+HewieTheDev oh, merci pour le commentaire :) n'hésitez pas à aller voir les autres vidéos, alors, y en une sur la braquage inverse par exemple :)
Think about it like this. Slower its going the tighter the turns are gonna be, cause its getting ready to fall over. Faster it moves, the more it just wants to straighten out, so the turning radius or circles are bigger.
Yes, one of my last movie shows that, if you want to see it :)
very informative... loved it.. !!!
+Sam Tea you're welcome :)
Makes me wonder. Interesting technics.
+Antoine Schemkes Thanks :) Hope it could help
So you're using the 'tick over' revs (~1000rpm) whilst applying the rear brake (at slow speeds),
• Banking the bike in with your body,
• When the handlebars turn in more, as your turn increases in tightness, you straighten your body, and even lean the opposite way of the turn to keep your balance
• The bike then somehow doesn't stall and fall over (or are you suing the clutch and acceleration at this point?)
• And you straighten up again and complete your turn
Sound about right?
1987RaPsCaLLioN Heu as my english is not so good, I hope I correctly understand you :)
I am in first gear, but I declutch, to avoid the engine brake of the first gear, which is to strong, when I am doing the u-turn on road.
I need to have a few speed, then, I first made the bike to fall with my body. Then, the handelbar wants to turn, and I use the rear brake at this moment, which increase the speed of the rotation of the handlebar.
I move then my body to let it turn fully. I do not use my body as a balance...
As the bike slows down, during the turn, when it is closed to be stopped, I start to release the clutch to accelerate again, but I keep the rear brake: this way, I can have some speed to avoid the complet fall, and the bike continues to turn.
So I have 2 turns in a U-turn: the first one is made with the "fall" and the rear brake of the bike, at the moment when the bike still has a few speed, then there is a second turn, using the release of the clutch, the trottle and the rear brake in the same time, when the bike has no more speed.
I hope it is clear lol but it is hard to explain, and to do, because it needs some Required meadow, like leaning to fall, let the handlebar turns alone, etc. That is why we are doing some training course of 2 days long to learn it, but we are in France...
AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Excellent - thank you for helping me understand.
1987RaPsCaLLioN You're welcome :) this means that my english is not so bad :)
Good vid. Lots of good info here, even for experienced riders. Translation is a bit of a problem though. I was able to get most of it, except "Ignoring the pilot's eye". What does that mean??
probably dont look where you want to go. You could see it on one scene he was looking right and turned left
Very well done video
Thank you :)
Excellent. Thank you
Thank you :)
This one of the first things you learn in the Netherlands when taking driving lessons.
Wow! Very informative! The trouble however is taht I drive a few self made, one of a kind motorcycles on which I'd hardly dare to practice. Maybe I should start on a bicycle.
A question: On a sports bike with limited handlebar travel and thus a relatively big turning radius extra speed would be needed, wouldn't it? Any extra tips about compensating for this during a road turn?
This kind of u-turn is the best for me to do u-turn with sportbike, because they can't turn to much. So you need to lean. This is why I add some stop steer on my bike to make it turn less.
So yes, you'll need more speed at the beginning, but you'll need to accept the sensation of fall, to know how to use your front brake before and in the turn, to let the handlebar turns itself, although you are braking, and to use your throttle and your rear brake very smoothly to have a constant speed just before the end of the turn.
More over, the hard part is to accept to have to much speed at the beginning of the turn. This is why we are doing training course. It is a completely new way of driving...
Thank you. Like I said: I'll start on a bicycle to see if I can indeed get my mind around doing something that goes so much against my reflexes and then see if I can also use that approach on my motorcycles.
Here you can see why I am not eager to break any of my custom made fairings: www.brassee.com/motorcycles.html . I do not even have moulds for them since I actually ride the design prototypes. Gulp!
Great information, thanks!
Jasper Spierings Hope it helps :) It's done for :)
The first u-turn I performed required all 32 feet of roadway... and both sidewalks. I didn't dump my friend's bike though, so I considered that a win!
:)
very helpful man, thank you
+Goro Goro You're welcome :) thanks for your comment :)
will try this on my scooter!!!
Yes, you can :)
:P
Fantastic! I am inspired!
Thank you :)
AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Was practicing yesterday and your techniques work.
Good stuff. Thanks.
+David Lerner Thank you :)
Amazing video, my friend!
I learned the japanese technique and practicing it for years. This is the way of driving I believe in. Your exercise with no hands on the handlebar is amazing. I can't wait for the spring to try it. Do you fix the throttle for those exercises? Or is it just the idle speed?
+Gábor Porempovics thanks for your comments :) but it is not my exercices, the one with no hand, I saw it on youtube, a Japanese drivers did it with a sportsbike... So I have to train again and again to do it with a sportsbike :) I do it with the idle speed, and I didn't modifie it. You need to use your rear brake in the same time, but very carefuly :)
+AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite
I use a CBF500 for practice. That bike is not so smooth if it runs on idle speed. So maybe I will stuff some paper tissue between the grip of the throttle and the housing. It can fix the throttle, but you can get the control back quickly. This way I can rise engine revolution a little.
I am using my rear break this way, so I have experience on it. Sure, I will be careful, because I don't want to stop my engine with my rear break while leaning and actually without hand on the throttle saving the bike from falling is not so easy! :)
I love this exercise, because it demonstrates that the bike automatically finds the perfect handle bar/fork angular position for the actual speed and lean angle. So actually the key of a smooth driving is using the controls (handle bar, throttle, rear break, front break, body position) only on purpose, and we must be aware what we are doing. So actually what we must do starting a leaning maneuver is to disturb the bike stable state with counter steering and then let the bike find another stable state. So we just start the whole process with pushing the handlebar, but after that very moment our arms shall be as relaxed as possible.
Gábor Porempovics I do'nt know if you can see it in the video, but, I am leaning the bike without my hand... So I don' t use counter steering :) I was using it when I began to do short u-turns, but I don't use it anymore :)
+AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite In the handless exercise you use your body to start the maneuver instead of counter steering. This is what I called disturbation.
+Gábor Porempovics yop, I call it "make the bike fall" lol as you said, we need to disturb the stable state of the bike :)
Anyone that rides should have at least 1 MSF course and erad through and watched TWIST OF THE WRIST by Keith Code....owner and teacher of the California Superbike cornering school.
I did and it was the most awful experience. Instructors taught us none of this. yes, Keith is great.