lol Thank you :) If you liked this video, you should look at this new one : ruclips.net/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/видео.html You will have another point of view about the counter steering ;)
Great job. In the US this is taught in "ride like a cop" classes. Control your speed with the rear brake (when required) and maintain a constant throttle position and slipping clutch. Establish a full-lock turn and -- If the bike starts to fall to the inside -- add some power with the clutch. It takes some practice, but works well. I paid to drop someone else's bike while learning! :)
Thank you :) But the way descibed here is not the same than the US police officer. Here, we lean and reduce speed to have the handlebar in full lock. So to start the U-turn, you need to create some speed, and we don't turn the handlebar, it turns itself. Then, in full lock, you have to have a constant speed, and increase it only when the rear wheel ends the turn ;) And you can do it without the clutch (but maybe not with all bike).
@@ashyswami1857 We actually have to pass a pretty tough vehicle control exam first before a second in-traffic exam. It includes (among other things) tight eights & U-turns, emergency collision avoidance swerving and very low speed handling. If you're interested to learn more look up " AVB examen " on RUclips.
Thanks for the video! I'm surprised this is considered new or unusual for many ...this technique of "tipping the bike in" for slow speed turns and counter steering was taught extensively at a motorcycle safety course I took several years ago to obtain my road license in Canada. It's a vital skill and not just to pull a u turn but useful in many instances especially if you ride on congested city streets.
You're welcome :) But I made this video to show that you can counter steer even at low speed, and more over, if you brake, you will not fall. Last thing, you don't need to look where you want to go (this allows you to look around you about traffic), and you don't need to do counter weight...
It is a honor that you have considered my email for reply. My mother told me as a kid after I had just walked into into a parking meter "Watch where you are going"! I have taught hundreds of students how to ride a motorcycle in the mid "80. Many things have change thru the years as more information becomes apparent but looking where you going is NOT one of them. Maybe it is a language barrier between us. OF COURSE you don't fixate on any one object as in your roundabout example but certainly one of the places you better look is where you are going. I do not base my information on "myth of the look, because every body tell it" I have seen it over and over and over, after teaching beginning students, Police, arm forces. If they can't do the exercise they are not looking where they want to go.
I teach to my student to not look, and they can do it. So your student can't do, mine can. We just don't ride the same way, the look is only a small part of everything. I don't ever teach anymore counter weight and counter steering, and it works too. You can do a good job from a lot of years, but you are always doing the same. I don't do the same thing than you. It is like you are teaching to do box, and I am teaching judo :)
Great tutorial. My local instructor runs an 2 day dvanced rider course where this and other advanced riding methods are taught and you use their bikes so no worries about dropping or damaging your own. I’m definitely booking on the course this year. Need to up my road skills game.
Video has come to perfection: Clearest illustration of countersteering I've found. Also of course of the short space U turn. I've been perfecting it, but not there quite yet. Many thanks.
Just found this channel and this video which is the best explanation and demonstration of counter steering I have seen and the only one which I actually get! As a fairly new rider I have struggled to grasp this concept. I had booked a 2 day course covering stuff like this...but it’s cancelled due to the virus 😕 so looking on RUclips for more info. Cheers for the video🤗
Thank you :) Here we are confined too... But I am doing a new video with some old rushes to continue to demonstrate some things. I was thinking first (when I was a new rider) that counter steering is the key to lean, but now, I have another point of view. I think this video can help you to understand it more : ruclips.net/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/видео.html
I have been using this method for years without knowing it was a big deal. My bike is a Yamaha FJR1300 so if I can do it on that, you can do it on anything.
Thank you for your incredible videos. By breaking down the individual steps and explaining what is going on, the seen and unseen, you allow me to create an understanding in my head that dramatically improves my riding skills. Other instructors will tell you to do things but they don't explain the "why". You breakdown and explain the "why" which helps me understand what is going on and how I can improve my riding. So much that we do in controlling a motorcycle is unseen because it happens so fast, or we aren't even aware it is happening. Your brilliant videos fill in a lot of the blanks for me. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Maybe one day soon I'll even be able to do a U-turn in a 5 meter radius (16.4 feet). :) If I go to France, do you ever teach your courses in English?
Thank you for your kind message :) Here is another video which will explain you the ling between lean angle,rotation and balance: ruclips.net/video/ua_qU5gSiqs/видео.html For sure, if you come in France, I am doing the course in english: this week end, I got 2 trainees coming from Australia :) And it is possible to organise a course in your country, why not? we already went to Latvia Czech Republic, Belgium and Switzerland to organise course other there :)
Great explanation of counter steering and how to use it for a U turn. Please come to the U.K. to do a course 😊 Do you have videos using a DCT bike? Thanks again for a great video 👍
This uturn, the police officer, - according to me -, is nice when the bike is stopped, but I prefer the Japanese uturn, without counter steering and without using the clutch ;)
When I did my motorcycle licence test in Australia, I think it was 1978, you had to do figure 8s within the space of four carparks. In this video the guy does a U turn in two spaces, imagine two more, so two by two. If your feet touched the ground it was a fail. I dunno if they still do it or not. The hardest part was trusting your own skills and throttle control, because once you lean it over you have to keep the speed up or over she goes. Once you get the hang of it, you wonder what all the fuss was about.
I have used this technique for about 6 months now with my 2015 BMW R1200RT and it works great and I'm over 76 years old.. I've even used the U-Turn technique on gravel roads!! NO GUTS NO GLORY! Ole dogs can learn new tricks and I've been riding for over 60 years!! I've seen videos on U-Tube of guy high siding, because it really looks like they used this technique negatively and the bikes end up going straight off of the road! As the TV ad use to say: "Try it Mikey likes it!"
All this stuff does is confuse people...... just let peoples' natural reflex take over. Pushing right goes left pushing left goes right, lean this lean that, counter-steer when you are over 20 mph, don't counter steer if you are less than 19.88595868 mph, etc, etc,......... it just confuses people and make things worse when they are on the road and thinking which way do I push the handle bar again? And ends up in the ditch!!!
When I made this video, it was to show that you can counter steer at any speed. This means you can train yourself with the same way of leaning at every speed. But it doesn't mean that you HAVE to to that. I don't ride like that, for example, I never counter steer. But I know what counter steer is, and for those who were thinking that you need some speed to do it, this video shows the contrary :)
Simple. Countersteer just before the turn to throw all the weight the direction you're turning. The bars automatically turn the way you want to go.. I did this accidentally in a parking lot earlier. Couldn't do it again, but found this video now it make's sense.
I tried to click the like button more than once...didn't work. Thanks for this! That balance, no handle bar turn wasn't even something I knew could be done. Well done!
You are right; well done. But there is also a second reason to point the front wheel in the opposite direction of the turn: doing so gives you an extra 20 cm (or somewhat) to make the diameter of the turning circle larger, while the main body of the bike stays more or less in the same position. It might seem not much, but in thight corners (and certainly where there are curbstones on both sides) it gives you that extra space to make the turn. Back in the days, we were thaught to do that in Belgian Federal Police Riding School ... Stay Safe... Ed.
Thank you :) but for me, the fact that the bike goes first to the opposite direction is not good: you loose some space at the beginning of the U-turn, especially with curbstones. What you win at the end, you loose it at the beginning. I should compare with the other U-turn lol
Hello, my apologies, I just saw your comment, I never received notifications from RUclips, and yours like many others just appeared in the "comments" tab of the channel... Thank you for your comment :)
i recommend practicing this also in a slope. start u-turning upward, lean the body in full lock state and raise the body in downward direction. the point is to raise the body by using clutch and throttle while u-turning.
This is incredibly useful! Obviously they teach counter-steering in the MSF classes, especially for U-turns, but not from a stop, and not in that short of a distance! I am going to practice this U-turn technique from a stop, until I have it mastered!
Thank you :) this kind of u-turn is not my favorite, but it was to show to some people that you can counter steer, even at low speed, as you can lean without pushing the handlebar, at higher speed, as you can see it in this video : ruclips.net/video/uNKiJRRbTpI/видео.html And, if you like this video, you will probably like this one too, as it speaks about how to brake when the bike is leaned to turn tigher: ruclips.net/video/xXyXoFjUyds/видео.html
Cool. But I had some people coming from the Netherland during some training courses, and they didn't do it... and I don't really like this u-turn, I prefer the Energetic Drivability U-turn :)
Great video ! Amazing detail and instruction technique! I also appreciate the traffic light 🚦 way of letting the viewer know how long they have before the video continues ! Well done!
I wanted to say thank you for this tips! "I found it a little hard to understand at first but after watching how you turn the bike the opposite way and then flick it the right way before your uturns Omg this helped me tremendously!! I went out this afternoon and was amazed how much it helped with my turning!! :)
Thank you :) Maybe you will appreciate to look at this other video too, which will help you to understand some things I am doing :) ruclips.net/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/видео.html
Amazing job. Thanks very much for making these videos. This has just cleared up some of my own insecurity about u-turns. Basically, don't get in the way of the bike doing the right thing.
I came back from Metz doing the course last weekend and feel like sharing a few words. If you catch yourself watching Anti Pilote de Ligne Droit videos more than twice, it's time for you to plan yourself a trip to France. :) It will be more than worth it, you will learn a lot and acquire fantastic new skills which may also save you from a possible future crash, if you rely solely on countersteering to turn and one day slippery surface betrays you. This is more than just riding a motorcycle, it's about increasing overall awareness and proprioception about you and your body. If you have ever done any martial art in your life, you'll find strong resemblence, it's about finding that fine delicate feel for things and perfecting it. Yes, this is a martial art, and Clément is a sensei. A motorcycle Yoda which will show you your way to become a Jedi knight. :) He'll take you into the deep dark forest where 2+2=5 and you cannot (!) fall of the motorcycle. You'll be up exploring the uncharted territory through a series of challenging tasks and brilliant exercises and each will grab you way out of your comfort zone but at the end you will manage!!! :) Come fit! The body effort needed to lean the motorcycle Japanese style is very tough on your core, as you need to hold your body yourself at all times, so better come as fit as you can, do stability exercises, planks, side planks and push-ups. Come prepared! Study all the major Anti Pilote de Ligne Droit videos so you can ask all the right questions. Take your girlfriend/wife with you! Metz is a beautiful place and France at its best! The closest international airport to Metz is in Luxembourg, which is only 1h train ride away. That's a convenient way to arrive. My advice: take a week off and do two courses on two consecutive weekends!
I would love to not fear dropping my bike to be able to practice all these nice maneuvers. Fear of dropping and damaging the bike is a real impediment to learning
Yes, this is why in our training course, we are providing a motorcycle equiped with crash bars per trainee, to allow them to test first on a protected bike, then, they can try with thier bike. Here there is an example of one of our course : ruclips.net/video/l19wT9lOPrc/видео.html
Thank you sir for such a valuable lesson n skills demonstrated with so much detail n depth. 🙏 Ur help means so much to every riders whether beginners or experienced. 🙇✌️🙏
Motojitsu and RideLikeAPro I recommend you check both of those channels out..Practice..THOSE drills. I GUARAN..DAMN..tee you...you WILL improve if you practice even once weekly let alone a few times weekly for just an hour tops each time.
Thank you :) I am glad if it can help, but be carefull: these skills can't be mixed with what you can learn on other channel, like Motojitsu or RideLikeAPro. It is totally different :)
He and me doesn't do the same thing, from what I saw from him. More over, this video was only made to show that you can counter steer even at low speed. But I prefer to not counter steer, as you can see it here, on a BMW 1200 RT : ruclips.net/video/ZMl3Y-4Tcrc/видео.html
Great video, it's good to know the theory behind it. I've just bought an ST1300, having last ridden a heavy bike 30 years ago I was afraid to collect if from the dealer. I'll practice this technique on my scooter, then the ST... first on large circles.
Reminds me of years ago when a police rider educated me into getting the bike to lay down lower on cornering :- GENTLE pressure on handlebars against the corner and the bike goes Very low to the ground,takes nerve and practice but it does work. Many professional riders do it naturally without thinking
I cannot wrap my head around this, you push the handlebar right, and the bike goes left? Whoa...I ride a bicycle frequently and i've never noticed this till now. So not only must you use the handlebars, but also leaning body position.. My head is spinning.. Bike lessons will be really fun learning experience I think lol.
Thank you :) I think you should look to this other video I made, which explains the link between lean angle and handlebar rotation, and how it influences the balance and lean angle: ruclips.net/video/ua_qU5gSiqs/видео.html
With enough tilt over and sufficient power spin flip the back end around in an arc. Easier to do with big capacity engine but tire might smoke. Small bikes lack the needed power but it's possible even to flip round a 50cc with practice.
The rightening effect comes from gyroscopic precession. When the bike falls to the right the precession force steers to the right and wheels return below the center of gravity. The narrow curves come from wheelbarrow steering. You steer a wheelbarrow by leaning it to the side you want to go to and then the tire "crabs" sideways. Because motorbikes and wheelbarrows have the same shape of tyres you can make a turn shorter by staying upright yourself and "pushing" the bike down.
If you have trouble on a Scooter with a fly clutch or automatic transmission of some sort, you can use the rear brake opposing the throttle to have better control. So you hold a bit of throttle and only control it with the rear brake. I turn like this every morning and evening when i park my scooter which is a burgman 650 and it helps with stability. 275kg :P
Come to think about it, this is exactly how we did u-turns on our bicycles as kids. Just push through with half a pedal stroke and lean the hell into it. These days I do it on my maxi scooter, much like I did it on my moped scooter. Give er a whallop, countersteer to lean into the turn, and drag the rear brake to squat the scooter into the turn. Turning within 2 parking spaces is easy. But then again, very few motorcycles can turn like a scooter with the centre stand removed.
Like a bicycle, yes :) and this is probably why we are plyingg on parking places, because we are not "riding", but playing, like when we were young :) But for now, I met very few motorcycle that can't turn into 2 parking places lol anbd when they can't do it, they can't do it inside a 6meters wide place, so... :)
Very interesting and skilled handling. The counter steering was scientifically exposed when trying to have some device ("robot") ride a bike. In my country, people ride HPV bikes so much they generally untuitively do the counter steering. With some people this is so deeply programmed in their memory they even do it when driving cars.
I made this video only to show that you can counter steer even at low speed. But I don't usually ride like that. I don't "counter steer" (I mean, I don't push the handlebar) to lean the bike, and I can do that at any speed , as you can see it here : ruclips.net/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/видео.html
I just love this video, must’ve seen it about 6 times now, your mastery of a motorcycle is awesome, especially the big RT. If I could do that on mine I would feel like a god 👍😃 especially at 76 years of age. Oh to dream,
I'm scared to try this but I shall. Our u turn conditions in Mumbai, India are far more precarious and there are often interruptions to one's u turn so we need to be prepared to brake in the middle of it. Which is doable by standing the bike up but it all happens very fast and often results in a drop. But there are tons of u turns or tight right/left handers so this is a useful skill to learn
The geometry on the front steering of a motorcycle is quite complex and the contact point with respect to the hinge is so important. One does not need too much self centring action on a motorcycle as it could go unstable. Normally the geometry is such that the contact point is in line with the axis of the hinge, but it is not as simple as that.
Thank you :) You will probably like this other video too, its about how to brake when the bike is leaned to lean or to turn tighter: ruclips.net/video/xXyXoFjUyds/видео.html
Thank you :) I am organising training course for those who want to learn this kind of riding, maybe you would like to do it ? And here is the latest video, in whoch you can see more :) ruclips.net/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/видео.html
Cool :) China is far away from France, so I am glad if my video could help you. I already had some traines coming from Taïwan, and I was so surprised of that :)
Yes thank you for your reply. In China the RUclips has been blocked,not everyone can over the wall to watch. Could you please give me a authorization to uploading your video to China video websites likes youtube and i will trans to Chinese. We have a Gymkhana club in Beijing more than 200 pepoles let more Chinese to learn your good skill.
Great video and very well explained. Now I have just to bring myself to be willing to ruin the shiny, brandnew paintjob of my new bike...or maybe book a lesson in my local driving school...
Thank you :) I think booking a lesson is a better choice, as you can try first on a bike with crash bar, just to be able to try without fear. But I am not sure that lot of driving school are showing this kind of u-turn, in which you have to be able to brake when the bike is leaned. Maybe this new video, about braking when the bike is leaned/turned can help too ? ruclips.net/video/xXyXoFjUyds/видео.html
U-Turn: Turn head, lean opposite way, turn bars in direction of u-turn, control bike power by slipping clutch while applying throttle. Countersteer: Don't think too much about it... just do it.
This channel is brilliant other than some poor descriptions lol, which I can easily forgive since I know it's not your first language! Thanks for the video!
lol Thank you :) But I do mistakes in french too, doh! Although I watched it several time before uploading it, to be sure, I can find some mistakes in french words too in the video lol
Thank you :) Don't hesitate to look to this other video, it will give you more infos about how to manage your speed for a uturn: ruclips.net/video/CNqn1UPqKjA/видео.html
I see that this method of uturn is started with the wheel straight, then turned slightly out, which then turns into the uturn. I’m thinking this methodology is specifically to get things going quickly from a dead stop. In contrast, when the bike is already slowly rolling to make an uturn, then this out to in dip to create momentum and use counter steer to move the inner tire radius isn’t as necessary (and hence not a Japanese uturn).
In this kind of u-turn, I am starting from a stop, yes. I mean, with no speed at the beginning. But when I have speed before the u-turn, I don't do like this, yes, I don't use counter steering :)
Good vid but I have one small point: It's not the gyroscopic effect that keep the bike stable when you pick up speed, it's the steering geometry. The gyroscopic effect is negligible on a motorcycle.
Hhhm... it certainly helps to have some nice stable tarmac... I’d like to see somebody do this on my gravel drive..... on their bike. Thanks for sharing.
That first countersteer "twitch" is the equivalent of Gerry Palladino's "dip", I think? It makes a massive difference as the bike WANTS to go into the turn. I've never been brave enough to try it from a full stop yet, though ;-)
No it is not the same. From what I saw about Jerry, the bike starts first to go the opposite side of the turn, this create a centrifugale force which leans the bike to the opposite side. Here, we are using the geometry of the bike, so the bike is not moving as much to the opposite side, and it leans easy. Last point, here, we are starting from a stop, we don't have inertia.
8:56 I am not sure if you counter lean you torso in regards to the lean of the bike at slow speeds but counter leaning with the upper body will decrease the turning radius quite a lot...up to 10% or more... Also u turning from a stop on the side of the road with the handlebars turned full lock (or at least 30-35 degrees) before rolling all the while the rider looks over his/her shoulder towards the end of the u turn will further stabilize the turn and make it smoother and quicker (pursuit mode activated)
Counter lean is a second myth too... to be efficient, it would mean that you can move the barycenter of the bike a lot, like on trial bikes. On big bike, it is so much closer from the center of gravity of the bike that you'll need to move a LOT your shoulder (and ass, and back) to be able to move it. Only rotation of the handlebar creates a momentum that straighten the bike (the more it can turns, the more you'll have balance, this is probably why we can see only u-turn with trail-bike or harley, which are bike who can turn a lot on youtube, and never on a sportbike) combinated to the centrifugal forces which increases with the reduction of the radius. About starting with the handelbar turns in the direction, maybe you are right, I don't know, because it was not my idea to show that this technik is the best. Again, it was only to show that you can counter steer at low speed.
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite I just notice that if I consciously lean in line with the bike's lean angle my u turns are of a larger radius and seem to be more difficult to control.
2nd experiment can be experienced in cars, especially RWD. It's why accelerating, even a little bit, through a corner will settle the car and overcome the feeling of centripetal force pushing the car out. You can make very tidy turns like this, on the inside line, instead of being pushed out like all the soccer moms. It's a secondary* reason that braking in the corner is bad, it only makes the centripetal force worse and pushes the car further out on the turn. Americans fail at this every day for decades. * the primary reason has to do with the hard limit of tire elasticity, and having a fixed budget. That budget can go towards turning and/or braking... if you do both at the same time, you have less elastic budget for either. Thus it's better to brake then turn. Or, if you know the turn only requires x% of the tire's elastic budget, you can trail brake a little to maximize usage the resources available. However, I prefer to drive ~70% on the streets... always leaving 30% for unexpected events.
It works this way at high speed too. Steer in than let go of the bars for the bike to turn into the apex, hence they make you do the chicken wings to relax your grip on the bars mid turn
This is the important stuff, never mind trying to learn how to wheelie
I'd rate dank whoolies alongside emergency stops and swerving. Potential life saving skills.
This is the best example of counter steering I’ve ever seen! Well done!
lol Thank you :) If you liked this video, you should look at this new one :
ruclips.net/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/видео.html
You will have another point of view about the counter steering ;)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite yes very good thank you! I will practice it with my big bike
This is not countersteering this is counterbalancing
I'd really like to be able to practice this...on someone else's bike. lol
Aha, me too. I'd drop it too many times figuring it out..
The video could help to do it, but it could be not enough too... This is why we are doing training course to teach it :)
lol so please come and do a training course with me ;) we provide bike during the training course :)
@ Clark Kent. Gee Clark, you're a little on the slow side huh?
AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite I have an R1 that 5ft turning gap ain't gonna happen lmao
Great job. In the US this is taught in "ride like a cop" classes. Control your speed with the rear brake (when required) and maintain a constant throttle position and slipping clutch. Establish a full-lock turn and -- If the bike starts to fall to the inside -- add some power with the clutch. It takes some practice, but works well. I paid to drop someone else's bike while learning! :)
Thank you :)
But the way descibed here is not the same than the US police officer. Here, we lean and reduce speed to have the handlebar in full lock. So to start the U-turn, you need to create some speed, and we don't turn the handlebar, it turns itself. Then, in full lock, you have to have a constant speed, and increase it only when the rear wheel ends the turn ;)
And you can do it without the clutch (but maybe not with all bike).
This shit is standard on exams in the netherlands.
@@youran1312 gtfo with the bullshit boy
Just watch that slipping clutch. Little different with a dry clutch system.
@@ashyswami1857 We actually have to pass a pretty tough vehicle control exam first before a second in-traffic exam. It includes (among other things) tight eights & U-turns, emergency collision avoidance swerving and very low speed handling. If you're interested to learn more look up " AVB examen " on RUclips.
I appreciate all the hard work that went into making your vid.
Nice job!
Thank you :)
The only way to turn so tight on a sports bike since the handle bar turns is really limited on a sports bike. The best tutorial ever.
Thank you for your comment :)
How to make a U-turn :
(1) forward
(2) backward
(3) repeat until done
Thanks for the video! I'm surprised this is considered new or unusual for many ...this technique of "tipping the bike in" for slow speed turns and counter steering was taught extensively at a motorcycle safety course I took several years ago to obtain my road license in Canada.
It's a vital skill and not just to pull a u turn but useful in many instances especially if you ride on congested city streets.
You're welcome :)
But I made this video to show that you can counter steer even at low speed, and more over, if you brake, you will not fall. Last thing, you don't need to look where you want to go (this allows you to look around you about traffic), and you don't need to do counter weight...
It is a honor that you have considered my email for reply. My mother told me as a kid after I had just walked into into a parking meter "Watch where you are going"! I have taught hundreds of students how to ride a motorcycle in the mid "80. Many things have change thru the years as more information becomes apparent but looking where you going is NOT one of them. Maybe it is a language barrier between us. OF COURSE you don't fixate on any one object as in your roundabout example but certainly one of the places you better look is where you are going.
I do not base my information on "myth of the look, because every body tell it" I have seen it over and over and over, after teaching beginning students, Police, arm forces. If they can't do the exercise they are not looking where they want to go.
I teach to my student to not look, and they can do it. So your student can't do, mine can.
We just don't ride the same way, the look is only a small part of everything. I don't ever teach anymore counter weight and counter steering, and it works too.
You can do a good job from a lot of years, but you are always doing the same.
I don't do the same thing than you.
It is like you are teaching to do box, and I am teaching judo :)
I don’t even have a motorcycle (yet) and even I found this interesting. Thanks for posting! 👍
Thank you :)
Great tutorial. My local instructor runs an 2 day dvanced rider course where this and other advanced riding methods are taught and you use their bikes so no worries about dropping or damaging your own. I’m definitely booking on the course this year.
Need to up my road skills game.
Where are you from? Because what you are describing, looks similar to the course I am teaching lol
Video has come to perfection: Clearest illustration of countersteering I've found. Also of course of the short space U turn. I've been perfecting it, but not there quite yet. Many thanks.
Thank you :) I am very glad if it can help tou :)
Maybe I can translate everything to Spanish, for Spanish speakers. If that were possible, would you have a list of legends I could translate? Thanks.
No, sorry, I did the movie with Sony Vegas Pro, and I don't know how I can extract the texts :(
Just found this channel and this video which is the best explanation and demonstration of counter steering I have seen and the only one which I actually get! As a fairly new rider I have struggled to grasp this concept. I had booked a 2 day course covering stuff like this...but it’s cancelled due to the virus 😕 so looking on RUclips for more info. Cheers for the video🤗
Thank you :)
Here we are confined too... But I am doing a new video with some old rushes to continue to demonstrate some things.
I was thinking first (when I was a new rider) that counter steering is the key to lean, but now, I have another point of view.
I think this video can help you to understand it more :
ruclips.net/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/видео.html
I would agree with the explanation, but WHY the music???..not necessary and def annoying!
Thanks for this detailed and concrete explanation. I am a Japanese returned bike-driver 69 years old on this summer.
Nice :)
I have been using this method for years without knowing it was a big deal. My bike is a Yamaha FJR1300 so if I can do it on that, you can do it on anything.
I had a Yamaha FJR1300 before too ;)
Thank you for your incredible videos. By breaking down the individual steps and explaining what is going on, the seen and unseen, you allow me to create an understanding in my head that dramatically improves my riding skills. Other instructors will tell you to do things but they don't explain the "why". You breakdown and explain the "why" which helps me understand what is going on and how I can improve my riding. So much that we do in controlling a motorcycle is unseen because it happens so fast, or we aren't even aware it is happening. Your brilliant videos fill in a lot of the blanks for me. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Maybe one day soon I'll even be able to do a U-turn in a 5 meter radius (16.4 feet). :)
If I go to France, do you ever teach your courses in English?
Thank you for your kind message :)
Here is another video which will explain you the ling between lean angle,rotation and balance:
ruclips.net/video/ua_qU5gSiqs/видео.html
For sure, if you come in France, I am doing the course in english: this week end, I got 2 trainees coming from Australia :)
And it is possible to organise a course in your country, why not? we already went to Latvia Czech Republic, Belgium and Switzerland to organise course other there :)
Great explanation of counter steering and how to use it for a U turn. Please come to the U.K. to do a course 😊 Do you have videos using a DCT bike? Thanks again for a great video 👍
I am so grateful to this post. I typically need to know the physics of things that seem impossible or very difficult to concur it. I THANK YOU!
You're welcome, and I am glad if it helps :)
0:56 demonstrations
8:03 step by step summary
I’m really glad you mentioned that it works going to the right, as well.
For a minute I though I’d be doing left turns until your next video came out
;)
I like doing Japanese style U-turns.Keep in mind things happen much quicker when counter steering at low or no speed.Total clutch control is a must.
This uturn, the police officer, - according to me -, is nice when the bike is stopped, but I prefer the Japanese uturn, without counter steering and without using the clutch ;)
When I did my motorcycle licence test in Australia, I think it was 1978, you had to do figure 8s within the space of four carparks. In this video the guy does a U turn in two spaces, imagine two more, so two by two. If your feet touched the ground it was a fail. I dunno if they still do it or not. The hardest part was trusting your own skills and throttle control, because once you lean it over you have to keep the speed up or over she goes. Once you get the hang of it, you wonder what all the fuss was about.
I have used this technique for about 6 months now with my 2015 BMW R1200RT and it works great and I'm over 76 years old.. I've even used the U-Turn technique on gravel roads!! NO GUTS NO GLORY! Ole dogs can learn new tricks and I've been riding for over 60 years!! I've seen videos on U-Tube of guy high siding, because it really looks like they used this technique negatively and the bikes end up going straight off of the road! As the TV ad use to say: "Try it Mikey likes it!"
Good job :)
Buen video, voy a practicar.
Thank you :)
I think this other video, about braking when the bike is turned can pleased you too :
ruclips.net/video/xXyXoFjUyds/видео.html
All this stuff does is confuse people...... just let peoples' natural reflex take over. Pushing right goes left pushing left goes right, lean this lean that, counter-steer when you are over 20 mph, don't counter steer if you are less than 19.88595868 mph, etc, etc,......... it just confuses people and make things worse when they are on the road and thinking which way do I push the handle bar again? And ends up in the ditch!!!
When I made this video, it was to show that you can counter steer at any speed. This means you can train yourself with the same way of leaning at every speed.
But it doesn't mean that you HAVE to to that. I don't ride like that, for example, I never counter steer. But I know what counter steer is, and for those who were thinking that you need some speed to do it, this video shows the contrary :)
Thank you for putting so much work into this video!
You're welcome :)
Simple. Countersteer just before the turn to throw all the weight the direction you're turning. The bars automatically turn the way you want to go..
I did this accidentally in a parking lot earlier. Couldn't do it again, but found this video now it make's sense.
yes, and here, we are braking when the weight is going down ;)
Merci, merci, merci beaucoup Monsieur. I really enjoyed that and I learnt a lot from the way you teach. Thank you.
You're welcome, I am glad if it can help :)
I tried to click the like button more than once...didn't work. Thanks for this! That balance, no handle bar turn wasn't even something I knew could be done. Well done!
Thank you :)
and I think this other video will help you to understand more things:
ruclips.net/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/видео.html
You are right; well done.
But there is also a second reason to point the front wheel in the opposite direction of the turn:
doing so gives you an extra 20 cm (or somewhat) to make the diameter of the turning circle larger, while the main body of the bike stays more or less in the same position.
It might seem not much, but in thight corners (and certainly where there are curbstones on both sides) it gives you that extra space to make the turn.
Back in the days, we were thaught to do that in Belgian Federal Police Riding School ...
Stay Safe...
Ed.
Thank you :) but for me, the fact that the bike goes first to the opposite direction is not good: you loose some space at the beginning of the U-turn, especially with curbstones. What you win at the end, you loose it at the beginning. I should compare with the other U-turn lol
I believe some people call it "dipping" the bike a bit before a U-turn.
The best u-turn demo, thanks
Hello, my apologies, I just saw your comment, I never received notifications from RUclips, and yours like many others just appeared in the "comments" tab of the channel...
Thank you for your comment :)
i recommend practicing this also in a slope. start u-turning upward, lean the body in full lock state and raise the body in downward direction. the point is to raise the body by using clutch and throttle while u-turning.
Thank you, I keep coming back to your videos... seeing a little more each time. With practice a little more insight is revealed. Merci!
Thank you :)
Here you can see the result on a GSXR1000 :
ruclips.net/video/w61ddD6N8z8/видео.html
This is incredibly useful! Obviously they teach counter-steering in the MSF classes, especially for U-turns, but not from a stop, and not in that short of a distance!
I am going to practice this U-turn technique from a stop, until I have it mastered!
Thank you :) this kind of u-turn is not my favorite, but it was to show to some people that you can counter steer, even at low speed, as you can lean without pushing the handlebar, at higher speed, as you can see it in this video :
ruclips.net/video/uNKiJRRbTpI/видео.html
And, if you like this video, you will probably like this one too, as it speaks about how to brake when the bike is leaned to turn tigher:
ruclips.net/video/xXyXoFjUyds/видео.html
This manouvre is one of several basics when you learn to ride a motorcycle in the Netherlands.
We even learn tot make a figure eight the same way.
Cool. But I had some people coming from the Netherland during some training courses, and they didn't do it... and I don't really like this u-turn, I prefer the Energetic Drivability U-turn :)
I'm taking motorcycle lessons in the Netherlands and right from the first lesson I had this is exactly what I learned. Making u turns and 8 turns.
Excellent explanation and demonstration. Thanks
You're welcome :)
The best instruction packed as tight as it can be. Thank you for a great video.“Domo Arigato”
Thank you :) "Dōitashimashite" (google traduction)
it's been pleasure to watching how you make that turns so smooth.
Thank you :)
Maybe you will this one too ? it talks about another way to lean/corner with big bikes:
ruclips.net/video/ZMl3Y-4Tcrc/видео.html
Great video ! Amazing detail and instruction technique! I also appreciate the traffic light 🚦 way of letting the viewer know how long they have before the video continues ! Well done!
lol thank you :) yes, I tried to help the viewer to have time to read lol
I wanted to say thank you for this tips! "I found it a little hard to understand at first but after watching how you turn the bike the opposite way and then flick it the right way before your uturns Omg this helped me tremendously!! I went out this afternoon and was amazed how much it helped with my turning!! :)
Thank you :)
Maybe you will appreciate to look at this other video too, which will help you to understand some things I am doing :)
ruclips.net/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/видео.html
Amazing job. Thanks very much for making these videos. This has just cleared up some of my own insecurity about u-turns. Basically, don't get in the way of the bike doing the right thing.
Thank you :)
tried this out and it really works just start steady and see how the bike reacts. Thanks
Thank you
I came back from Metz doing the course last weekend and feel like sharing a few words.
If you catch yourself watching Anti Pilote de Ligne Droit videos more than twice, it's time for you to plan yourself a trip to France. :)
It will be more than worth it, you will learn a lot and acquire fantastic new skills which may also save you from a possible future crash, if you rely solely on countersteering to turn and one day slippery surface betrays you.
This is more than just riding a motorcycle, it's about increasing overall awareness and proprioception about you and your body.
If you have ever done any martial art in your life, you'll find strong resemblence, it's about finding that fine delicate feel for things and perfecting it.
Yes, this is a martial art, and Clément is a sensei. A motorcycle Yoda which will show you your way to become a Jedi knight. :)
He'll take you into the deep dark forest where 2+2=5 and you cannot (!) fall of the motorcycle.
You'll be up exploring the uncharted territory through a series of challenging tasks and brilliant exercises and each will grab you way out of your comfort zone but at the end you will manage!!! :)
Come fit!
The body effort needed to lean the motorcycle Japanese style is very tough on your core, as you need to hold your body yourself at all times, so better come as fit as you can, do stability exercises, planks, side planks and push-ups.
Come prepared!
Study all the major Anti Pilote de Ligne Droit videos so you can ask all the right questions.
Take your girlfriend/wife with you!
Metz is a beautiful place and France at its best!
The closest international airport to Metz is in Luxembourg, which is only 1h train ride away.
That's a convenient way to arrive.
My advice: take a week off and do two courses on two consecutive weekends!
Thank you Zeljko, for this kind message :) I am very glad that you understood it as you describe it :)
I would love to not fear dropping my bike to be able to practice all these nice maneuvers. Fear of dropping and damaging the bike is a real impediment to learning
Yes, this is why in our training course, we are providing a motorcycle equiped with crash bars per trainee, to allow them to test first on a protected bike, then, they can try with thier bike. Here there is an example of one of our course :
ruclips.net/video/l19wT9lOPrc/видео.html
Great demostration and explation. I believe that we can't countersteer in slow speed ,this vdo changed my life. Thank you bro!
You're welcome :)
Thank you sir for such a valuable lesson n skills demonstrated with so much detail n depth. 🙏 Ur help means so much to every riders whether beginners or experienced. 🙇✌️🙏
Motojitsu and RideLikeAPro
I recommend you check both of those channels out..Practice..THOSE drills. I GUARAN..DAMN..tee you...you WILL improve if you practice even once weekly let alone a few times weekly for just an hour tops each time.
Thank you :) I am glad if it can help, but be carefull: these skills can't be mixed with what you can learn on other channel, like Motojitsu or RideLikeAPro. It is totally different :)
Jerry Paladino. Ride like a pro. All is covered
He and me doesn't do the same thing, from what I saw from him. More over, this video was only made to show that you can counter steer even at low speed.
But I prefer to not counter steer, as you can see it here, on a BMW 1200 RT : ruclips.net/video/ZMl3Y-4Tcrc/видео.html
He makes it look so easy. I can do a U Turn on my RT with two up, however I’ve not the gonads to perform the maneuver with the handle bars locked.😬
Thank, so if you are not full lock, your u turn can't be as tight :)
Thanks for the great work you do, love your videos.....
Thank you :)
Great video, it's good to know the theory behind it. I've just bought an ST1300, having last ridden a heavy bike 30 years ago I was afraid to collect if from the dealer. I'll practice this technique on my scooter, then the ST... first on large circles.
I am glad to know that this can help you :)
Remarkable technique, congratulations and many thanks.
Thank you :)
Maybe you would appreciate this other video too ?
ruclips.net/video/ZMl3Y-4Tcrc/видео.html
Wow! This is the first time I have seen this skill explained in such detail. Brilliant!
Thank you :)
Reminds me of years ago when a police rider educated me into getting the bike to lay down lower on cornering :- GENTLE pressure on handlebars against the corner and the bike goes Very low to the ground,takes nerve and practice but it does work. Many professional riders do it naturally without thinking
Its called "Drücken" in German where you push the bike into steep lean angles with yourself beiing upright which further decreases the turn radius.
Yeah, it is not a secret technick, I only made this video to show people that even at low speed, you can counter steer...
Great video, very educational, but I’m going to have to grow a set of extra big balls to do this with confidence on a 1250 Gsa
Thank you :)
Excellent stuff. Thanks a million.
Thank you :)
Great video , it really shows how affective countersteering is . Thanks for the awesome videos
You're welcome :) But when I did this video, it was to shown that you can counter steer even at low speed if you want.
I cannot wrap my head around this, you push the handlebar right, and the bike goes left? Whoa...I ride a bicycle frequently and i've never noticed this till now. So not only must you use the handlebars, but also leaning body position.. My head is spinning.. Bike lessons will be really fun learning experience I think lol.
Thank you :)
I think you should look to this other video I made, which explains the link between lean angle and handlebar rotation, and how it influences the balance and lean angle:
ruclips.net/video/ua_qU5gSiqs/видео.html
With enough tilt over and sufficient power spin flip the back end around in an arc. Easier to do with big capacity engine but tire might smoke. Small bikes lack the needed power but it's possible even to flip round a 50cc with practice.
The rightening effect comes from gyroscopic precession. When the bike falls to the right the precession force steers to the right and wheels return below the center of gravity.
The narrow curves come from wheelbarrow steering. You steer a wheelbarrow by leaning it to the side you want to go to and then the tire "crabs" sideways. Because motorbikes and wheelbarrows have the same shape of tyres you can make a turn shorter by staying upright yourself and "pushing" the bike down.
peter rotgans show me please!
@@thomasbraun5602 ruclips.net/video/ty9QSiVC2g0/видео.html
If you have trouble on a Scooter with a fly clutch or automatic transmission of some sort, you can use the rear brake opposing the throttle to have better control. So you hold a bit of throttle and only control it with the rear brake. I turn like this every morning and evening when i park my scooter which is a burgman 650 and it helps with stability. 275kg :P
Do you mean you are u-turning from a stop ?
Great video! And this is the skill they use in Gymkhana race!
Thank you :)
But I am not sure that the high levels riders of Japanese Moto Gymkhana still use counter steering to initiale the lean ;)
Gymkhanas dont use these skills they are using '' vodoo blackmagic '' to stay afloat on 2 wheels!!
LOL
Come to think about it, this is exactly how we did u-turns on our bicycles as kids. Just push through with half a pedal stroke and lean the hell into it. These days I do it on my maxi scooter, much like I did it on my moped scooter. Give er a whallop, countersteer to lean into the turn, and drag the rear brake to squat the scooter into the turn. Turning within 2 parking spaces is easy. But then again, very few motorcycles can turn like a scooter with the centre stand removed.
Like a bicycle, yes :) and this is probably why we are plyingg on parking places, because we are not "riding", but playing, like when we were young :)
But for now, I met very few motorcycle that can't turn into 2 parking places lol anbd when they can't do it, they can't do it inside a 6meters wide place, so... :)
Wow counter-steering at low speeds, I didn't think it would be possible...very cool!
Thank you :) I made this video to show that it is possible :)
Great explanation. I knew bits and pieces, but never understood all of it. Thanks for posting.
You're welcome :)
Very interesting and skilled handling. The counter steering was scientifically exposed when trying to have some device ("robot") ride a bike. In my country, people ride HPV bikes so much they generally untuitively do the counter steering. With some people this is so deeply programmed in their memory they even do it when driving cars.
I made this video only to show that you can counter steer even at low speed. But I don't usually ride like that. I don't "counter steer" (I mean, I don't push the handlebar) to lean the bike, and I can do that at any speed , as you can see it here : ruclips.net/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/видео.html
I just love this video, must’ve seen it about 6 times now, your mastery of a motorcycle is awesome, especially the big RT. If I could do that on mine I would feel like a god 👍😃 especially at 76 years of age. Oh to dream,
Thank you :)
You know, we are doing training course to learn this : antipilotedelignedroite.fr/en/home/
I'm scared to try this but I shall. Our u turn conditions in Mumbai, India are far more precarious and there are often interruptions to one's u turn so we need to be prepared to brake in the middle of it. Which is doable by standing the bike up but it all happens very fast and often results in a drop. But there are tons of u turns or tight right/left handers so this is a useful skill to learn
'Was just waiting for the front wheel to tuck in!
Best practised on someone else's bike... :-)
The geometry on the front steering of a motorcycle is quite complex and the contact point with respect to the hinge is so important. One does not need too much self centring action on a motorcycle as it could go unstable. Normally the geometry is such that the contact point is in line with the axis of the hinge, but it is not as simple as that.
Best video i have ever seen on youtube, on countersteering......congrats
Thank you :)
I think this other video, about braking when the bike is turned can pleased you too :
ruclips.net/video/xXyXoFjUyds/видео.html
Nice vid. It’s not easy getting that much visual and theory together into a small slot. Thx.
Thank you :)
You will probably like this other video too, its about how to brake when the bike is leaned to lean or to turn tighter:
ruclips.net/video/xXyXoFjUyds/видео.html
Great advice, loved the theory technical aspects.
Thank you :)
I think this other video, about braking when the bike is turned can pleased you too :
ruclips.net/video/xXyXoFjUyds/видео.html
Yes, every time the bars were turned away from the desired direction of turn, dropping the bike on the correct side. Then correct, power out.
Great video, many thanks for the english version
Thanks and you're welcome :)
Thank you. Thank you.
you're welcome :)
Fantastic video! I aspire to have 50% of the skill you have.
Thank you :)
I am organising training course for those who want to learn this kind of riding, maybe you would like to do it ?
And here is the latest video, in whoch you can see more :)
ruclips.net/video/cgtmuS8WFLU/видео.html
WOW! wait 2 months, you have new video. good job! love your video. i am Gymkhana fans from China.
Cool :) China is far away from France, so I am glad if my video could help you. I already had some traines coming from Taïwan, and I was so surprised of that :)
Yes thank you for your reply. In China the RUclips has been blocked,not everyone can over the wall to watch. Could you please give me a authorization to uploading your video to China video websites likes youtube and i will trans to Chinese. We have a Gymkhana club in Beijing more than 200 pepoles let more Chinese to learn your good skill.
My small scooter hasn't lot requirements from me, but i love this lesson.
Thank you :)
Great video and very well explained. Now I have just to bring myself to be willing to ruin the shiny, brandnew paintjob of my new bike...or maybe book a lesson in my local driving school...
Thank you :)
I think booking a lesson is a better choice, as you can try first on a bike with crash bar, just to be able to try without fear. But I am not sure that lot of driving school are showing this kind of u-turn, in which you have to be able to brake when the bike is leaned.
Maybe this new video, about braking when the bike is leaned/turned can help too ?
ruclips.net/video/xXyXoFjUyds/видео.html
the BEST video on U turn.
even for cyclist
Thank you :)
U-Turn: Turn head, lean opposite way, turn bars in direction of u-turn, control bike power by slipping clutch while applying throttle.
Countersteer: Don't think too much about it... just do it.
Yes, this will be a very slow u-turn, and only adapted for bike that can turns a lot. Please try to do it with a sportbike, and as tight as here...
Bien joué . Merci beaucoup pour le bon travail.
Merci à vous :)
This is my new favorite channel. Thanks dudes!
You're welcome, dude :)
Realy realy it's a great lesson
Thank you :)
This channel is brilliant other than some poor descriptions lol, which I can easily forgive since I know it's not your first language! Thanks for the video!
lol Thank you :) But I do mistakes in french too, doh! Although I watched it several time before uploading it, to be sure, I can find some mistakes in french words too in the video lol
amazing rotation 🤗
Thank you :)
Don't hesitate to look to this other video, it will give you more infos about how to manage your speed for a uturn:
ruclips.net/video/CNqn1UPqKjA/видео.html
This is so useful. Thanks for putting this video together.
You're welcome :)
I see that this method of uturn is started with the wheel straight, then turned slightly out, which then turns into the uturn. I’m thinking this methodology is specifically to get things going quickly from a dead stop.
In contrast, when the bike is already slowly rolling to make an uturn, then this out to in dip to create momentum and use counter steer to move the inner tire radius isn’t as necessary (and hence not a Japanese uturn).
In this kind of u-turn, I am starting from a stop, yes. I mean, with no speed at the beginning.
But when I have speed before the u-turn, I don't do like this, yes, I don't use counter steering :)
Good vid but I have one small point: It's not the gyroscopic effect that keep the bike stable when you pick up speed, it's the steering geometry. The gyroscopic effect is negligible on a motorcycle.
OYes, i agree :) Did you read the study made by Prof. Papadoulos about that ???
So few people knows that...
I've just paused the video to see whether anyone else is commenting on this :)
Negligible at low speed*
Hhhm... it certainly helps to have some nice stable tarmac... I’d like to see somebody do this on my gravel drive..... on their bike. Thanks for sharing.
Heu thank you :)
Thank you for sharing and inspiring me to learn these.
You're welcome :)
That first countersteer "twitch" is the equivalent of Gerry Palladino's "dip", I think? It makes a massive difference as the bike WANTS to go into the turn. I've never been brave enough to try it from a full stop yet, though ;-)
No it is not the same. From what I saw about Jerry, the bike starts first to go the opposite side of the turn, this create a centrifugale force which leans the bike to the opposite side. Here, we are using the geometry of the bike, so the bike is not moving as much to the opposite side, and it leans easy.
Last point, here, we are starting from a stop, we don't have inertia.
Very good skill to have... wish I had a spare and smaller bike to practice on..
Yes, those skills re usefull :)
If you are looking to get a better feel for the physics, a $150 bicycle would take you far
Really good explained and showed!Thank you!
Thank you :)
the day will come i will be able to let the foot pegs hit the ground in a slow you turn and all because of you :)!
lol I hope :)
That’s a big bike too 👌
Yes, it is :)
8:56 I am not sure if you counter lean you torso in regards to the lean of the bike at slow speeds but counter leaning with the upper body will decrease the turning radius quite a lot...up to 10% or more...
Also u turning from a stop on the side of the road with the handlebars turned full lock (or at least 30-35 degrees) before rolling all the while the rider looks over his/her shoulder towards the end of the u turn will further stabilize the turn and make it smoother and quicker (pursuit mode activated)
Counter lean is a second myth too... to be efficient, it would mean that you can move the barycenter of the bike a lot, like on trial bikes. On big bike, it is so much closer from the center of gravity of the bike that you'll need to move a LOT your shoulder (and ass, and back) to be able to move it.
Only rotation of the handlebar creates a momentum that straighten the bike (the more it can turns, the more you'll have balance, this is probably why we can see only u-turn with trail-bike or harley, which are bike who can turn a lot on youtube, and never on a sportbike) combinated to the centrifugal forces which increases with the reduction of the radius.
About starting with the handelbar turns in the direction, maybe you are right, I don't know, because it was not my idea to show that this technik is the best. Again, it was only to show that you can counter steer at low speed.
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite
I just notice that if I consciously lean in line with the bike's lean angle my u turns are of a larger radius and seem to be more difficult to control.
Best explanation I ever seen,
Thank you :)
INCREDIBLE VIDEO!!!!!
Thank you :)
Thiw new one can help you too:
ruclips.net/video/FMCZqQNzVnM/видео.html
2nd experiment can be experienced in cars, especially RWD. It's why accelerating, even a little bit, through a corner will settle the car and overcome the feeling of centripetal force pushing the car out. You can make very tidy turns like this, on the inside line, instead of being pushed out like all the soccer moms.
It's a secondary* reason that braking in the corner is bad, it only makes the centripetal force worse and pushes the car further out on the turn. Americans fail at this every day for decades.
* the primary reason has to do with the hard limit of tire elasticity, and having a fixed budget. That budget can go towards turning and/or braking... if you do both at the same time, you have less elastic budget for either. Thus it's better to brake then turn. Or, if you know the turn only requires x% of the tire's elastic budget, you can trail brake a little to maximize usage the resources available. However, I prefer to drive ~70% on the streets... always leaving 30% for unexpected events.
It works this way at high speed too. Steer in than let go of the bars for the bike to turn into the apex, hence they make you do the chicken wings to relax your grip on the bars mid turn
Yes, it works at high speed too, but everybody knows that. The fact that it works at slow speed is less known, and this is why I made this video...