nah Vanderbilt just doesnt have enough students/alumni. Which means less fans. Just look at there stadium compared to other SEC schools its tiny. If they could get the recruits they would, grades dont matter for athletes
I mean northwestern is a harder school to get in to and they still recruit at a decent enough level to win 5-8 games every now and then. Heck kansas is a favorite to win the big12. It’s all about NIL and to be real, Vandy’s NIL collective SUCKS. They’re starting to improve by making investments in the football stadium, but until they start reaching into them pockets and taking advantage of that Nashville media market, they’ll never find consistent success.
For this video to come out literally a day ago and this man not have any real facts is nuts. I agree they neglected the sports side of things for years but with a new chancellor hired last year ,new football coach etc they announced in January they’re putting 300 million towards the football program
He's bias shows through once in a while. He's always shooting off the cuff with little research or doing a lot of click bate. That's why he pleads for subscribers. smh 😂
Vandy is hard school to get into. They have a solid baseball program. They have an ok basketball program. Vandy was able to recruit Jay Cutler they sucked with him. He was amazing there. He had a solid NFL career probably the 2nd best QB in Da Bears history.
@@fartfruit1157 BAMA is in the SEC West, vandy is SEC east, they don't play every year but they have met quite a bit over the years but BAMA dominates all SEC teams they have a winning record vs all them
@@fartfruit1157 to make matters even worse they have lost 49 out of their last 52 to Alabama Before the 23 game losing streak they had a 14 game losing streak (1970-1983) then a 12 game losing streak (1957-1968) 1956,1969, and 1984 are the only 3 times they’ve managed to win somehow 😂
For anybody who doesn't know that Stackhouse has rebuilt hoops, VU was the first team to win at Arkansas in several seasons, swept Georgia, beat ranked LSU, also beat Bama, A&M, Ole Miss.
vanderbilt is kinda like northwestern with higher academic requirements to get in than the other schools in their conferences which makes a big difference.
nah Vanderbilt just doesnt have enough students/alumni. Which means less fans. Just look at there stadium compared to other SEC schools its tiny. If they could get the recruits they would, grades dont matter for athletes.
@@peenhead9938 They also lack the support of non-alumni. People who live in Nash don’t pull for vandy, they pull for the titans. It’s not like so many other SEC schools that don’t have NFL counterparts in their cities. Video is clickbait garbage anyways, vandy continues to be a top team year in and year out in baseball and basketball is improving. Solid contender in SEC in many less popular sports including national titles in them
Last place Power 5 schools should play conference champions from the MAC, Mountain West, AAC, Sunbelt, etc...to keep their spot in the Power 5. SEC v. Conference USA, Sunbelt, AAC PAC 12 v. Mountain West, Sunbelt Ben 10 v. MAC or Conference USA, AAC BIG 12 v. Mountain West, Sunbelt, AAC, Conference USA, AAC ACC v. MAC, AAC, Conference USA, Sunbelt The Play to Stay games
Vandy has suffered from extreme poor play calls under current coach as well as Derek Mason. Vandy would have wide receiver that was 6-8” taller than opponent and never/seldom get a pass his way. Another example is it’s 3rd and 8, and the play call is a 2 yard pass. Mason was supposed to be king of defense. I was never impressed. Recruiting should be easy. “Young man, if you are the best player on this team, you will stand out. You’ll easily be drafted highly in NFL. All our games are televised.” Would you rather have diploma from Bama or Vandy? Go to Bama and sit on the bench.
Vanderbilt’s issues don’t stem from anything other than a lack of support from the school, poor culture, and academic rigor. The combination of poor funding and the support from the students and the school made it almost impossible. This is beginning to change in the last 2 years. The right pieces are coming together, but it will take time.
what they need is a Bill Snyder, who resurrected Kansas state ..I went to Tulsa and they have been mostly respectable for a school with less than 6000 enrollment. heck they even beat Notre Dame in South Bend. Tulsa is mostly a game lot, Vandy not so much.
Here's something to be in into perspective. Let's say Vanderbilt somehow drops their football program, and the SEC says that "you're out of the conference", which other regional athletic conference would Vandy fit most for basketball and other sports? They have a solid baseball program (won a national title in recent years) at least.
Anyone remember that game not too long ago where Vanderbilt started 2 and 0 and played Alabama and they were actually trash talking before the game? Alabama destroyed them of course, but because they got off to a good start and had a good defense the first two games they actually were cocky. I remember thinking that's a mistake reading the bulletin board material they gave before the game
It was funny vandy had the #1 defense at the time and heard the vandy player going yea we will show you how to play SEC ball Alabama you're next yea vandy played 0-62 ball Bama didn't even present them blindfolds
@@George_Fl0yd was it 3-0? No wonder they got so cocky 🤣. They actually were playing great D but not against top 10 teams. I still think that beat down destroyed that team for the rest of the year. The Post Alabama effect.
What was not mentioned is Nashville’s phenomenal growth over the last 20 years. That city is absolutely booming. The conference needs to give the Commodores a 7 year ultimatum. Substantially upgrade your football facilities.
One of the reasons why they weren’t any good as someone who was being recruited by vandy was the academic requirements as to some other schools who were taking way less of a test score
nah Vanderbilt just doesnt have enough students/alumni. Which means less fans. Just look at there stadium compared to other SEC schools its tiny. If they could get the recruits they would, grades dont matter for athletes
Vanderbilt football succeeds beyond its wildest dreams. They invest very little compared to the rest of the SEC teams and receive the same $65 million dollar annual check as Alabama and Georgia. Even Hillary Clinton couldn't get that type of return. The failure comes with the hundreds of remaining fans that buy into the belief that this program can compete. When you can only attempt to recruit 5% of the players that Alabama and Georgia can recruit, and when you have fewer team fans at your home games than other schools have at open fall practices, and when you basically eliminate your sports information department and put campus publications in charge to get around to putting out information after the important medical publications have been released, and when the sparse crowd has to wait 15 minutes to get a working urinal at games, the school doesn't care. This will only change down the road if, and probably when, the SEC changes its payout methods giving more funds to the schools that create more revenue and less to Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt paid 6-figures to a consulting group 25 years ago to advise whether to remain in the SEC and major college sports or to de-emphasize sports altogether. The final recommendation served to possible profitable choices. The first was to continue as is, putting in only the resources that were absolutely possible and continue to compete as the weakest program, hoping for a once every 10 years decent season. The second was to discontinue scholarship athletics and become a Division 3 athletic program, finding better ways to utilize sports real estate on campus. There was a special panel convened, and the vote on the two options was really close, like one or two votes in favor of the status quo for as long as the school could continue to put out minimum resources for maximum revenue sharing. Other SEC ADs have previously asked the SEC to force Vanderbilt to play 2 out of every 3 years on the road due to the revenue lost playing at Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt responded for a few years by moving some games to Nissan Stadium. Orlando and Atlanta have tried to arrange for Vandy home games against Florida and Georgia to be moved away from Nashville. Georgia fans now refer to Vanderbilt Stadium as Sanford Stadium North, because the percentage of Bulldog fans at games in Nashville is about the same as the percentage in Athens. Vanderbilt will likely have one successful season between 2025 and 2035. Other schools periodically make mistakes at the same time that Vanderbilt has its best talent of a decade, and a 6-6 season becomes possible. Of course, between 1960 and 2009, 50 seasons in all, Vandy had minor winning seasons in 1968, 1974, 1975, and one big season in 1982--4 winning years out of 50. 60% of those years, Vanderbilt won 0 or 1 conference game. They had more 0 conference win seasons than all the other SEC teams of that era combined. Thus, the program has basically been the same since 1960, the year where more liberalized substitution rules began to allow teams to move to two platoons. Vandy could compete in the one platoon era. By 1962, they knew this and tried to leave the SEC and form an academic league with other private schools like Duke, Tulane, and Rice. It came very close to happening, until Duke realized they would no longer get to play North Carolina, and Baylor, Rice, and SMU decided to stay in the then athletically-wealthy Southwest Conference.
5-7 Wins a year (i.e. win almost all out-of-Conference games, an SEC upset or two, etc.), and otherwise being a great academic-baseball school would be totally fine out of Vanderbilt. It’s the 1-11, 2-10, w/embarrassing out of conference losses-type seasons that are totally unacceptable- and largely blamed on the Administration. Hopefully, Coach Lea is given time, and most importantly the resources from the Administration to achieve the former on a consistent basis.
Honestly, I think Vandy should try the triple option. It's worked wonders at the service academies and even at Georgia Tech for a while. Give the Commodores a unique identity and better chance to compete.
I grew up close to Knoxville, and , like you I always wondered why Vandy had a foitball team. They were so bad almost all the time. I told others that Vandy should do away with football, and just stick to basketball & baseball. But you made some good points, now I understand a little better. Thanks!
There are college football teams that don't even try. Then why bother? Colorado is another school that should just drop the sport. Or create a conference with Vanderbilt, Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico, etc...the hopeless conference
Vandy beat Ole Miss in 2011 & 2012; Auburn & Tennessee in 2012; Georgia/Florida/Tennessee in 2013; Georgia/Ole Miss/Tennessee in 2016; Tennessee in 2017; Arkansas/Ole Miss/Tennessee in 2018 plus various wins over Missouri and Kentucky during that era. It seems a person doing videos about the SEC....MIGHT...know that.
You are completely wrong there. Nashville is the best city in the SEC by far, and the SEC needs as many beatable teams as they do great teams. The last team they would kick out is Vandy.
It's simple, move Clemson to the SEC East and move Vandy to the ACC where they can compete, at least for football! Someone tell me why this isn't a good idea?
There are about 40 million reasons why Vanderbilt would never make this move. The Big Ten is the only other conference possible other than going non-scholarship D3. Vanderbilt doesn't have to move and can finish in last place 9 out of 10 years, as long as they have the check clear every July 1st.
It's more important for them to have a girl kick field goals than win games. They are in a city where the only fans that attend games went to the school, 85% of Nashville are fans of The University of Tennessee.
I am a lifelong Vandy fan (and didn't attend school there), but I haven't been to a game in many years because they play in a glorified high school stadium. If they could ever figure out a way to build a new stadium, I will come back to games.
@@snowcat8971 I attended there for a year back in the mid 80’s, it was frustrating that there were more fans of the visitors than our school. When it’s all said and done after all the major colleges break away from the ncaa and form their own league of football and basketball only, hopefully the schools like Rice, SMU and Vandy form a southern Ivy League type of conference for themselves.
Baseball loses more than 100K a year. Except for a small handful of schools, football pays for everything else. Many D1 basketball programs have operational deficits, while many more break even or realized a small profit. As for Vandy and its baseball prestige, for your sake, you better pray that Nashville does not get Major League Baseball. The Tampa Bay Rays have a mild interest in a relocation, but MLB considers Nashville its #1 Expansion possibility with an incredible outfit in place to celebrate the Negro League history. Tim Corbin is actively involved in this and will leave Vanderbilt for a front office position in the possible future Nashville Stars. The current Stars' office was relocated half a block from where Corbin parks his car at Vanderbilt.
Vandy should be an occasional good team but championship aspirations are not the norm with this program. We still want to watch the games and follow the athletes from any game regardless of division so I'm cool with Vandy and before coach Franklin went to Penn State we saw them rise and I believe they will again.
Can’t imagine how bad NIL will impact Vandy since it’s typically fans paying for sponsorships n such. I’m convinced Vanderbilt doesn’t have fans. If I was the AD I would literally give free admission to everyone wearing a Vanderbilt shirt. Gotta give Nashville a reason to go
I thought about NIL, but thought maybe it won't be a bad thing. Their graduates are smart and usually do well, so they have money. Maybe a few alum will spend some money on getting people in there.
I have a friend that absolutely loves the Florida gators. So to troll him a few times back in 2011 I told him the gators suck, they got lucky and beat the louisiana ragin Cajuns in the last minutes of the football game. He was upset about me bringing that up, but I didn't get the response I was expecting, so I turned it up and told him the gators couldn't beat Vanderbilt. I got the reaction I was expecting, he was super angry after that one.
We’ll the academic standards isn’t the reason why Vanderbilt is so bad. They rank 14 nationally and Florida ranks #5 nationally. It’s a cultural thing and they don’t have the resources to invest into the program due to the school being a fraction the size of their peers in the SEC.
You’re on drugs. I’m not sure which ranking you’re looking at, but UF would probably rank #5 nationally among PUBLIC universities. Vanderbilt is #14 in the nation, taking into account both public/private schools. UF is a great school, but don’t think you can make an academic comparison between the two. Outside of baseball, we’re on the come up in MBB at least. Stay tuned, there’s may be a cultural shift inbound. Especially with projects like Vandy United
Have you ever even been to Vanderbilt and seen their facilities? I doubt it. The main reason Vandy struggles is they won't cheat like the rest of the SEC. By the way, Vandy beat Georgia in Athens on their homecoming just six years ago in Kirby Smart's first season. Before you say someone sucks you should do some real research.
Interesting video. Let’s get into it…I normally watch this channel to learn the cold hard facts about 5 star recruits who failed because they didn’t act right.
Funny you mention Saban. I recall Coach Bryant did some things for Vandy's program during his time in T-Town. Maybe your NCS shout out might get some traction over on Lake Burton this week.
Coach Bryant was an assistant coach at Vanderbilt in 1941, a year Vanderbilt went 8-2. Technically, Bryant was the acting head coach for one game that year when Head Coach Red Sanders had surgery, so Bryant had a career 1-0 record there.
@@wi54725 Amazing! I didn't know that. I do recall Bama played Maryland a few times during Bryant's tenure at Bama. Guess he made good friends along the way...
@@allenvaughan1 Here's the crazy insane part of this. Coach Bryant lived in a house about 1 mile away from Vanderbilt in the area of Nashville known as Whitland. Within this same small couple blocks of Whitland Avenue between Wilson Blvd. and Craighead Avenue, former Michigan legendary coach Fielding Yost lived, his brother-in-law and all-time winningest Vanderbilt football coach Dan McGugin lived next door, long-time Alabama and Vanderbilt basketball coach C.M. Newton lived, and current Vanderbilt baseball legendary coach Tim Corbin now lives. Also, one of the great collective of Southern literary legends, known as The Fugitives, used a house on Whitland Avenue as their headquarters to meet on Saturday nights. Two of these top poets included Robert Penn Warren and Allen Tate became our nation's Poet Laureates.
@@allenvaughan1 it will take a couple million to buy the average house in that area. So, you basically have to already be successful to live there, or at least be a trust funder.
Hmm, I don’t know if I completely agree, because with that reasoning, the Pac12 is the strongest conference, since they don’t have a clear bottom feeder such as Kansas, Vandy, or Northwestern
A more meaningful analysis of the Vanderbilt football program would address the fact that Vandy actually has academic standards for their athletes and many SEC Stars would not be accepted to begin or would flunk out pretty quickly. The decision to look after the athletes' future by requiring them to get an actual college education is probably a bad one in this guy's SEC value system.
Vanderbilt grad here… your logic is flawed and circular, but your bottom line is 100% correct. I don’t want to agree, but the truth is you’re right. Our administration has been a complete disgrace.
Apparently you are unaware that Nashville is one of the fastest growing cities in the country. Have you checked on how many millionaires, celebrities, and professional athletes live in Nashville? Check the prices for a new home in Nashville. Million dollar homes are in abundance. Celebrities are a fairly common site. Vanderbilt is a terrible sports school, because they focus on academics, but I agree they have no business being in the SEC.
@@peenhead9938 Baylor is a small school too, so is Boise State, etc. Vanderbilt’s football program is the pits because the Administration doesn’t support the program. They are in the most prestigious football conference in the country. Either commit the resources to field a competitive team or find another conference. Presently Vanderbilt is sucking up SEC money but choosing not to field a competitive team. A degree from Vanderbilt is a big deal, playing football for them isn’t. Maybe the SEC tolerates Vanderbilt football because it gives the illusion the SEC actually cares about providing a quality education to their athletes.
This guy has never been to Vanderbilt's locker room or any place other than the stadium. He make out as if they have a building with out anything inside. He said they they don't even get 3 star kids to play when that is false information. He sounds like he has a vendetta maybe because he is not smart enough to attend the school.
Its a classic case of nerds vs jocks thats why they won't make changes if they got a coach Howard Schnellenberger the coach that created da U in u of Miami
@@amancalledhawk5575 I'm not so sure, he had players that got in trouble with the law or breaking team rules, they more or less got a slap on the wrist, I do think Mario Cristobal will be a good fit and might have Miami winning again
Nfl players don't care about legacy...? What! That's a crazy over generalization. Location in the nfl doesn't matter as much, that's more nba. For example, the vikings don't struggle to get free agents. Free agents want a team that has a shot at winning. That's why more players sign with the vikings than the jaguars. That was a pretty dumb statement to make.
This guy knows nothing . Half his facts are wrong . lol since James Franklin (2013) we only had 1 coach and finally moved on from him last year in (2021) so this makes no sense
We are far from dead . This is Misleading . James Franklin had winning seasons his whole time there. Derek Mason had 3 bowling appearances.. sure we’ve gone 5 and something a couple of years but to say 2-3 you are butt. You are definitely a vawls fan
For a person with 190k subs I figured this would be a fact driven vid but 16secs in you started with misleading facts. Sure we are no bama but to say 4 winning season out of 40 is horrible facts. Obviously people enjoy your content but all I ask is to do actually research before downplaying a program . Using google I found 6 bowl teams and 3 that were 1 win away from a bowl since 2002z Granted that’s not like amazing but it’s also not as bad as you’re making it seem. Sure you were right about the schools lack of commitment to the athletics side but with a lot of new changes in place we have faith our programs will grew with the efforts we’ve seen so far .
Academics is no excuse. Northwestern has similar academic requirements and they still manage to hold their own on the football field. Stanford has even tougher requirements than Vandy and they aren't a football embarrassment. What makes it even worse is they've been playing in the mostly inferior SEC East and they STILL can't be respectable.
Vanderbilt has fewer students and alumni than Stanford and Northwestern. They just physically don't have enough students and Alumni to compete with other huge sec schools. Northwestern is a decent size and Stanford is in a weaker conference with smaller schools.
@@peenhead9938 Sorry, not buying it. Vanderbilt is in a MUCH richer state for high school football talent than Northwestern and its surrounded by better High School Football states than Northwestern is. Duke is another example. Very similar enrollment to Vandy and even they aren't as inept as Vanderbilt is. And don't give me the Conference argument. As I said, they are in the East which has been far inferior to the West for most of the last decade. There is no way they should be this inept. Nobody is saying they should be Alabama or Georgia but they should be at least competing for a bowl game every few years but I guess if Vanderbilt fans are fine with it then so is the administration.
@@neneshubby They should be as good as Duke sure (which is pretty bad) I agree with that. They are probably equal to Duke tbh. I bet if they played every year they would both be around .500. But you cant compare them to Northwestern and Stanford though for a lot of reasons.
@@peenhead9938 I think your missing my point a bit. I use them as an example of schools with high academic standards who are also respectable on the football field. That's the main point I'm trying to make. Its possible to do both if your University has the commitment. Vanderbilt should be using schools like Northwestern as a template for what they can aspire to instead of making excuses about why they can't do it. That's a losing mentality. After following sports for most of my life I can tell you one big difference between winning organizations and losing ones is the winning ones figure out ways to get it done and losing ones tell you all the reasons why they can't do it. That's true in college and pro.
@@neneshubby And im saying it has nothing to do with academic standards and everything to do with the number of fans. 12000 students and 20,000 students is a big difference.
When you speak of pro athletes and how they pick where they go based off the size of market is kinda part of it. But that is actually where and how the not so smart athletes go about their free agency picking. Pro baseball players and some pro football players are actually going wisely rather than seeing the glamour of the size of market. Most are making twice as much saving from tax policies in smaller markets. Not saying they don't make lots, but they pay almost triple in taxes it's kinda hilarious.
Location, Vandy is in the south with the average education being way worse than in California, especially for athletes. Smarter football players from California, don't want to move to Tennessee when they can stay at Stanford. I mean look a Duke and Wake Forest they are also terrible for the same reason as Vandy, but the smart p5 players in the south are getting divided up by those 3 schools, while in the west coast it is basically only Stanford.
@@kvereensr1 lol you really think schools care about education for athletes... If they could get better recruits they would. It has nothing to do with academic standards.
@@peenhead9938 schools definitely care about academic standards for athletes, it's all about optics and marketing, they get tons of money from donners and alumni because of their brand which would deplete if they did not have them. I mean look at unc and the reputational hit they took with their athlete academic scandal... they lost tons of donnar money after that. Having something like academic standards, or something that separates you adds to your brand that allows you to stand out from just being a generic team/school. An organizations brand is core to their marketing and getting, eyes and money on them and not someone else.
POV: vandy beat Kentucky and Florida who were both ranked top 10 during the season and finished higher than TAMU
Academics makes it difficult to recruit players.
nah Vanderbilt just doesnt have enough students/alumni. Which means less fans. Just look at there stadium compared to other SEC schools its tiny. If they could get the recruits they would, grades dont matter for athletes
I mean northwestern is a harder school to get in to and they still recruit at a decent enough level to win 5-8 games every now and then. Heck kansas is a favorite to win the big12. It’s all about NIL and to be real, Vandy’s NIL collective SUCKS. They’re starting to improve by making investments in the football stadium, but until they start reaching into them pockets and taking advantage of that Nashville media market, they’ll never find consistent success.
For this video to come out literally a day ago and this man not have any real facts is nuts. I agree they neglected the sports side of things for years but with a new chancellor hired last year ,new football coach etc they announced in January they’re putting 300 million towards the football program
He's bias shows through once in a while. He's always shooting off the cuff with little research or doing a lot of click bate. That's why he pleads for subscribers. smh 😂
Vandy is hard school to get into. They have a solid baseball program. They have an ok basketball program. Vandy was able to recruit Jay Cutler they sucked with him. He was amazing there. He had a solid NFL career probably the 2nd best QB in Da Bears history.
He is the best Cutler has Owned nearly All of There franchise records
There only solid sport is baseball football ass basketball ass
@@George_Fl0yd Sid Luckman is 4 time NFL Champion he's in the HOF.
@@kbanz7579 people forget about how good the SEC is at baseball.
@@jonpike9991 rings don’t matter in everything
James Franklin taking Vanderbilt to back to back 9-4 seasons in nothing short of a miracle.
Let’s be honest though, the SEC East as a whole was kind of in a slump during that time.
Vanderbilt lost has lost 22 straight games to 3 different teams at one point
Florida (1989-2012)
Tennessee (1983-2004)
Alabama (1985-Present)
1985 to present is just wild....
@@fartfruit1157 BAMA is in the SEC West, vandy is SEC east, they don't play every year but they have met quite a bit over the years but BAMA dominates all SEC teams they have a winning record vs all them
@@fartfruit1157 to make matters even worse they have lost 49 out of their last 52 to Alabama
Before the 23 game losing streak they had a 14 game losing streak (1970-1983) then a 12 game losing streak (1957-1968)
1956,1969, and 1984 are the only 3 times they’ve managed to win somehow 😂
For anybody who doesn't know that Stackhouse has rebuilt hoops, VU was the first team to win at Arkansas in several seasons, swept Georgia, beat ranked LSU, also beat Bama, A&M, Ole Miss.
vanderbilt is kinda like northwestern with higher academic requirements to get in than the other schools in their conferences which makes a big difference.
Academic standards are more higher than the other Power 5 schools. That scares a lot of high ranking recruits from joining them
nah Vanderbilt just doesnt have enough students/alumni. Which means less fans. Just look at there stadium compared to other SEC schools its tiny. If they could get the recruits they would, grades dont matter for athletes.
@@peenhead9938 They also lack the support of non-alumni. People who live in Nash don’t pull for vandy, they pull for the titans. It’s not like so many other SEC schools that don’t have NFL counterparts in their cities. Video is clickbait garbage anyways, vandy continues to be a top team year in and year out in baseball and basketball is improving. Solid contender in SEC in many less popular sports including national titles in them
Vandys finally got some competition from TAMU to be the joke of the SEC.
one bad year
Vanderbilt facilities are getting a 300 million dollar facelift
Don’t be too rough on the Vandy guys. They might be performing your triple bypass someday.
Lol 💔
Teams Vandy beat multiple times in the last 12 years: Ole Miss; Tennessee; Georgia, Florida; Kentucky plus also beat Arkansas, Missouri, Auburn.
Try NOT to delete that this time.
Last place Power 5 schools should play conference champions from the MAC, Mountain West, AAC, Sunbelt, etc...to keep their spot in the Power 5.
SEC v. Conference USA, Sunbelt, AAC
PAC 12 v. Mountain West, Sunbelt
Ben 10 v. MAC or Conference USA, AAC
BIG 12 v. Mountain West, Sunbelt, AAC, Conference USA, AAC
ACC v. MAC, AAC, Conference USA, Sunbelt
The Play to Stay games
Like soccer in Europe. The worst team from the top division and the best from the lower play each other to move up or down a level
@@lewtown It would make college football much interesting. Too me it would.
It would make things interesting that's for sure.
Not a bad idea 🤔
@@josephjohnson448 Right 👍
Thoughts and prayers for Vandy Football 🏈 🙏🏾
Vandy has suffered from extreme poor play calls under current coach as well as Derek Mason. Vandy would have wide receiver that was 6-8” taller than opponent and never/seldom get a pass his way. Another example is it’s 3rd and 8, and the play call is a 2 yard pass. Mason was supposed to be king of defense. I was never impressed.
Recruiting should be easy. “Young man, if you are the best player on this team, you will stand out. You’ll easily be drafted highly in NFL. All our games are televised.” Would you rather have diploma from Bama or Vandy? Go to Bama and sit on the bench.
Vanderbilt’s issues don’t stem from anything other than a lack of support from the school, poor culture, and academic rigor. The combination of poor funding and the support from the students and the school made it almost impossible. This is beginning to change in the last 2 years. The right pieces are coming together, but it will take time.
Academics are very hard
(Higher standards)that is why it is challenging to win games at universities like Stanford,Duke,Northwestern,Rice etc...
what they need is a Bill Snyder, who resurrected Kansas state ..I went to Tulsa and they have been mostly respectable for a school with less than 6000 enrollment. heck they even beat Notre Dame in South Bend. Tulsa is mostly a game lot, Vandy not so much.
Here's something to be in into perspective. Let's say Vanderbilt somehow drops their football program, and the SEC says that "you're out of the conference", which other regional athletic conference would Vandy fit most for basketball and other sports? They have a solid baseball program (won a national title in recent years) at least.
This is like the first time you have made a vandy video
They would probably be removed from SEC if they didn't dominate in Baseball.
Anyone remember that game not too long ago where Vanderbilt started 2 and 0 and played Alabama and they were actually trash talking before the game? Alabama destroyed them of course, but because they got off to a good start and had a good defense the first two games they actually were cocky. I remember thinking that's a mistake reading the bulletin board material they gave before the game
It was funny vandy had the #1 defense at the time and heard the vandy player going yea we will show you how to play SEC ball Alabama you're next yea vandy played 0-62 ball Bama didn't even present them blindfolds
I hate to be the you know “🤓” but they were 3-0 before the blowout
@@George_Fl0yd was it 3-0? No wonder they got so cocky 🤣. They actually were playing great D but not against top 10 teams. I still think that beat down destroyed that team for the rest of the year. The Post Alabama effect.
@@GR-bn3xj Fr after Kansas State they thought they was hot shit 🤣
Every Vanderbilt home game against an SEC opponent the stadium is filled with the fans from the other school that’s just sad
What was not mentioned is Nashville’s phenomenal growth over the last 20 years. That city is absolutely booming. The conference needs to give the Commodores a 7 year ultimatum. Substantially upgrade your football facilities.
Vanderbilt is great in baseball, those two pitchers were on fire
One of the reasons why they weren’t any good as someone who was being recruited by vandy was the academic requirements as to some other schools who were taking way less of a test score
Yup, as I've heard in the past. Vanderbilt doesn't bend when it comes to academics. Kudos to them! Keep Vanderbilt football!
nah Vanderbilt just doesnt have enough students/alumni. Which means less fans. Just look at there stadium compared to other SEC schools its tiny. If they could get the recruits they would, grades dont matter for athletes
Vanderbilt football succeeds beyond its wildest dreams. They invest very little compared to the rest of the SEC teams and receive the same $65 million dollar annual check as Alabama and Georgia. Even Hillary Clinton couldn't get that type of return. The failure comes with the hundreds of remaining fans that buy into the belief that this program can compete. When you can only attempt to recruit 5% of the players that Alabama and Georgia can recruit, and when you have fewer team fans at your home games than other schools have at open fall practices, and when you basically eliminate your sports information department and put campus publications in charge to get around to putting out information after the important medical publications have been released, and when the sparse crowd has to wait 15 minutes to get a working urinal at games, the school doesn't care.
This will only change down the road if, and probably when, the SEC changes its payout methods giving more funds to the schools that create more revenue and less to Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt paid 6-figures to a consulting group 25 years ago to advise whether to remain in the SEC and major college sports or to de-emphasize sports altogether. The final recommendation served to possible profitable choices. The first was to continue as is, putting in only the resources that were absolutely possible and continue to compete as the weakest program, hoping for a once every 10 years decent season. The second was to discontinue scholarship athletics and become a Division 3 athletic program, finding better ways to utilize sports real estate on campus.
There was a special panel convened, and the vote on the two options was really close, like one or two votes in favor of the status quo for as long as the school could continue to put out minimum resources for maximum revenue sharing.
Other SEC ADs have previously asked the SEC to force Vanderbilt to play 2 out of every 3 years on the road due to the revenue lost playing at Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt responded for a few years by moving some games to Nissan Stadium. Orlando and Atlanta have tried to arrange for Vandy home games against Florida and Georgia to be moved away from Nashville. Georgia fans now refer to Vanderbilt Stadium as Sanford Stadium North, because the percentage of Bulldog fans at games in Nashville is about the same as the percentage in Athens.
Vanderbilt will likely have one successful season between 2025 and 2035. Other schools periodically make mistakes at the same time that Vanderbilt has its best talent of a decade, and a 6-6 season becomes possible. Of course, between 1960 and 2009, 50 seasons in all, Vandy had minor winning seasons in 1968, 1974, 1975, and one big season in 1982--4 winning years out of 50. 60% of those years, Vanderbilt won 0 or 1 conference game. They had more 0 conference win seasons than all the other SEC teams of that era combined.
Thus, the program has basically been the same since 1960, the year where more liberalized substitution rules began to allow teams to move to two platoons. Vandy could compete in the one platoon era. By 1962, they knew this and tried to leave the SEC and form an academic league with other private schools like Duke, Tulane, and Rice. It came very close to happening, until Duke realized they would no longer get to play North Carolina, and Baylor, Rice, and SMU decided to stay in the then athletically-wealthy Southwest Conference.
They were dead when they needed to bring in a female soccer player to score
Most embarrassing moment in program history
5-7 Wins a year (i.e. win almost all out-of-Conference games, an SEC upset or two, etc.), and otherwise being a great academic-baseball school would be totally fine out of Vanderbilt. It’s the 1-11, 2-10, w/embarrassing out of conference losses-type seasons that are totally unacceptable- and largely blamed on the Administration.
Hopefully, Coach Lea is given time, and most importantly the resources from the Administration to achieve the former on a consistent basis.
Honestly, I think Vandy should try the triple option. It's worked wonders at the service academies and even at Georgia Tech for a while. Give the Commodores a unique identity and better chance to compete.
lol that only works if you have a good offensive line... Plus they are playing NFL D lineman every week. That shit aint going to work.
The only thing Vandy Football has done in the last few years noteworthy was when Mason let the broad kick an extra point for a publicity stunt.
Idk when I subscribed prob around 150 k but so glad to be here before the blow that will definitely occur keep up the great work matt
I grew up close to Knoxville, and , like you I always wondered why Vandy had a foitball team. They were so bad almost all the time. I told others that Vandy should do away with football, and just stick to basketball & baseball. But you made some good points, now I understand a little better. Thanks!
Tennessee ain't any better RTR 🐘
Memphis has been the best team in Tennessee the last 6-7 years honestly
There are college football teams that don't even try. Then why bother? Colorado is another school that should just drop the sport. Or create a conference with Vanderbilt, Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico, etc...the hopeless conference
Ut is 5-5 against Vandy this decade
@@leekw2517 you mean TU
Vandy beat Ole Miss in 2011 & 2012; Auburn & Tennessee in 2012; Georgia/Florida/Tennessee in 2013; Georgia/Ole Miss/Tennessee in 2016; Tennessee in 2017; Arkansas/Ole Miss/Tennessee in 2018 plus various wins over Missouri and Kentucky during that era. It seems a person doing videos about the SEC....MIGHT...know that.
I don’t think this video was too concerned with facts.
I can confirm Michigan isn’t cold all the time we get all the seasons so it’s actually lit… just thought I should clear that up lmao.
Vanderbilt should not be in the SEC. The other schools in the conference would love to get rid of them.
Why
@@-GloryGloryToOlGeorgia I would think the same as you, that's why I asked Gary Kane why the other schools would love to get rid of them
Us fans of the sec love vandy. Yes they suck, but they keep the gpa up(sec inside joke), and we rather get rid of Mizzou.
You are completely wrong there. Nashville is the best city in the SEC by far, and the SEC needs as many beatable teams as they do great teams. The last team they would kick out is Vandy.
nah they are one of the OGs and they are good at baseball
Dang Matt too bad they’re not in the B10 huh otherwise you’d have a field day about it😭
That coach needs to come back still working guessing
Hot take for you... There will be 10 once in a "generation players" crowned by the media in the 10 years.
In 10 years*
Hell yeah. Matt will talk about one in every other video for the rest of the year. Also they all played for bama. Just sayin.
It's simple, move Clemson to the SEC East and move Vandy to the ACC where they can compete, at least for football! Someone tell me why this isn't a good idea?
Vandy won’t compete with Miami in the ACC!
There are about 40 million reasons why Vanderbilt would never make this move. The Big Ten is the only other conference possible other than going non-scholarship D3. Vanderbilt doesn't have to move and can finish in last place 9 out of 10 years, as long as they have the check clear every July 1st.
Can you talk about Rutgers football. They are going through the same thing.
It's more important for them to have a girl kick field goals than win games. They are in a city where the only fans that attend games went to the school, 85% of Nashville are fans of The University of Tennessee.
Everything woke turns to shit 🤷🏻♂️
I am a lifelong Vandy fan (and didn't attend school there), but I haven't been to a game in many years because they play in a glorified high school stadium. If they could ever figure out a way to build a new stadium, I will come back to games.
@@snowcat8971 I attended there for a year back in the mid 80’s, it was frustrating that there were more fans of the visitors than our school. When it’s all said and done after all the major colleges break away from the ncaa and form their own league of football and basketball only, hopefully the schools like Rice, SMU and Vandy form a southern Ivy League type of conference for themselves.
Vanderbuilt won't ever leave the SEC because of the money and the prestige.
Vandy’s a baseball school, we don’t really care about football
Baseball loses more than 100K a year. Except for a small handful of schools, football pays for everything else. Many D1 basketball programs have operational deficits, while many more break even or realized a small profit. As for Vandy and its baseball prestige, for your sake, you better pray that Nashville does not get Major League Baseball. The Tampa Bay Rays have a mild interest in a relocation, but MLB considers Nashville its #1 Expansion possibility with an incredible outfit in place to celebrate the Negro League history. Tim Corbin is actively involved in this and will leave Vanderbilt for a front office position in the possible future Nashville Stars. The current Stars' office was relocated half a block from where Corbin parks his car at Vanderbilt.
Top 35 recruiting class this year
2013 was their best year. They beat Florida, Georgia and Tennessee that year.......
Vanderbilt has been dead for 100 years.
Vandy should be an occasional good team but championship aspirations are not the norm with this program. We still want to watch the games and follow the athletes from any game regardless of division so I'm cool with Vandy and before coach Franklin went to Penn State we saw them rise and I believe they will again.
Can’t imagine how bad NIL will impact Vandy since it’s typically fans paying for sponsorships n such. I’m convinced Vanderbilt doesn’t have fans. If I was the AD I would literally give free admission to everyone wearing a Vanderbilt shirt. Gotta give Nashville a reason to go
I thought about NIL, but thought maybe it won't be a bad thing. Their graduates are smart and usually do well, so they have money. Maybe a few alum will spend some money on getting people in there.
They only have like 12000 undergrad. They just dont have the numbers expecially to keep up with other sec schools
@@peenhead9938 well they have the cash from the sec to be better than they are
@@tomh4235 doesnt matter if you dont have enough fans
When your most talked about player is a female kicker who wasn't even good... that's when you know it's time to call it quits.
I have a friend that absolutely loves the Florida gators. So to troll him a few times back in 2011 I told him the gators suck, they got lucky and beat the louisiana ragin Cajuns in the last minutes of the football game. He was upset about me bringing that up, but I didn't get the response I was expecting, so I turned it up and told him the gators couldn't beat Vanderbilt. I got the reaction I was expecting, he was super angry after that one.
We’ll the academic standards isn’t the reason why Vanderbilt is so bad. They rank 14 nationally and Florida ranks #5 nationally. It’s a cultural thing and they don’t have the resources to invest into the program due to the school being a fraction the size of their peers in the SEC.
Vanderbilt is better academically. But you are right that its not because of academic standards its because of pure size.
You’re on drugs. I’m not sure which ranking you’re looking at, but UF would probably rank #5 nationally among PUBLIC universities. Vanderbilt is #14 in the nation, taking into account both public/private schools.
UF is a great school, but don’t think you can make an academic comparison between the two. Outside of baseball, we’re on the come up in MBB at least. Stay tuned, there’s may be a cultural shift inbound. Especially with projects like Vandy United
Vanderbilt Arizona Kansas and UCONN are the worst of the worst in the Power 5! Those programs should be stopped lol
The SEC schools get around 50 million a year per school off TV revenue.
They were good in 2012 and 2013 lets no forget
Have you ever even been to Vanderbilt and seen their facilities? I doubt it. The main reason Vandy struggles is they won't cheat like the rest of the SEC. By the way, Vandy beat Georgia in Athens on their homecoming just six years ago in Kirby Smart's first season. Before you say someone sucks you should do some real research.
That will never happen again EVER.
It was Homecoming On Saturday October the 15th 2022
Georgia 55
Vandy 0
Interesting video. Let’s get into it…I normally watch this channel to learn the cold hard facts about 5 star recruits who failed because they didn’t act right.
Funny you mention Saban. I recall Coach Bryant did some things for Vandy's program during his time in T-Town. Maybe your NCS shout out might get some traction over on Lake Burton this week.
Coach Bryant was an assistant coach at Vanderbilt in 1941, a year Vanderbilt went 8-2. Technically, Bryant was the acting head coach for one game that year when Head Coach Red Sanders had surgery, so Bryant had a career 1-0 record there.
@@wi54725 Amazing! I didn't know that. I do recall Bama played Maryland a few times during Bryant's tenure at Bama. Guess he made good friends along the way...
@@allenvaughan1 Here's the crazy insane part of this. Coach Bryant lived in a house about 1 mile away from Vanderbilt in the area of Nashville known as Whitland. Within this same small couple blocks of Whitland Avenue between Wilson Blvd. and Craighead Avenue, former Michigan legendary coach Fielding Yost lived, his brother-in-law and all-time winningest Vanderbilt football coach Dan McGugin lived next door, long-time Alabama and Vanderbilt basketball coach C.M. Newton lived, and current Vanderbilt baseball legendary coach Tim Corbin now lives. Also, one of the great collective of Southern literary legends, known as The Fugitives, used a house on Whitland Avenue as their headquarters to meet on Saturday nights. Two of these top poets included Robert Penn Warren and Allen Tate became our nation's Poet Laureates.
@@wi54725 THAT IS AMAZING! One of us needs to move to that area, to see if it would have an effect on either of us!!!
@@allenvaughan1 it will take a couple million to buy the average house in that area. So, you basically have to already be successful to live there, or at least be a trust funder.
Go Vandy
you're only as strong as your weakest link...Vandy is just one example of how top heavy the SEC is
Hmm, I don’t know if I completely agree, because with that reasoning, the Pac12 is the strongest conference, since they don’t have a clear bottom feeder such as Kansas, Vandy, or Northwestern
A more meaningful analysis of the Vanderbilt football program would address the fact that Vandy actually has academic standards for their athletes and many SEC Stars would not be accepted to begin or would flunk out pretty quickly. The decision to look after the athletes' future by requiring them to get an actual college education is probably a bad one in this guy's SEC value system.
Vanderbilt grad here… your logic is flawed and circular, but your bottom line is 100% correct. I don’t want to agree, but the truth is you’re right. Our administration has been a complete disgrace.
2:48 I went to his school and personally know him. He’s s beast he deserves better. Rocko Griffin
Vandy's record is as pitiful as other school's athletic academics!
GTech or Miami should Swap conferences with Vandy. It would be better for Vandy basketball and make more sense football wise
Apparently you are unaware that Nashville is one of the fastest growing cities in the country. Have you checked on how many millionaires, celebrities, and professional athletes live in Nashville? Check the prices for a new home in Nashville. Million dollar homes are in abundance. Celebrities are a fairly common site.
Vanderbilt is a terrible sports school, because they focus on academics, but I agree they have no business being in the SEC.
Nah they nice at baseball. And arent horrible at Basketball. They are bad at football because its a small school.
@@peenhead9938 Baylor is a small school too, so is Boise State, etc. Vanderbilt’s football program is the pits because the Administration doesn’t support the program. They are in the most prestigious football conference in the country. Either commit the resources to field a competitive team or find another conference.
Presently Vanderbilt is sucking up SEC money but choosing not to field a competitive team. A degree from Vanderbilt is a big deal, playing football for them isn’t. Maybe the SEC tolerates Vanderbilt football because it gives the illusion the SEC actually cares about providing a quality education to their athletes.
@@larrys9879 lol no conference cares about giving a quality education to its athletes. Minus the Ivy league...
@@larrys9879 Boise st... horrible comparison. Baylor has been impressive I have no idea how they do it. It helps that they are in Texas I guess.
@@peenhead9938 I agree.
Imagine if Vanderbilt marching a woman to kick fifty years ago.
Mmh he’s back sane time 24 hrs later
Anyone else watching this while playing Vanderbilt Dynasty on CFB25? lol
I say kick out Mizzo and Vanderbillt and let Texas and OK take their place. Saban to Vandy ROTFLMAO
This guy has never been to Vanderbilt's locker room or any place other than the stadium. He make out as if they have a building with out anything inside. He said they they don't even get 3 star kids to play when that is false information. He sounds like he has a vendetta maybe because he is not smart enough to attend the school.
Vandy is the post 90s Prairie View AM University of their D1 division
Its a classic case of nerds vs jocks thats why they won't make changes if they got a coach Howard Schnellenberger the coach that created da U in u of Miami
He was a class coach maybe the only coach with class Miami ever had, he did learn from Bear Bryant that certainly helped
@@ezmoney5087 I agree and disagree Jimmy Johnson was a class act too
@@amancalledhawk5575 I'm not so sure, he had players that got in trouble with the law or breaking team rules, they more or less got a slap on the wrist, I do think Mario Cristobal will be a good fit and might have Miami winning again
offensive cord tim beck will save the day
Nfl players don't care about legacy...? What! That's a crazy over generalization. Location in the nfl doesn't matter as much, that's more nba. For example, the vikings don't struggle to get free agents. Free agents want a team that has a shot at winning. That's why more players sign with the vikings than the jaguars. That was a pretty dumb statement to make.
Vanderbilt in 2024 is actually pretty decent
2:01 They can't go 2-11, nobody except Hawaii plays 13 games in a season lol
Hahaha the intro who’s 3-1 now #Anchordown
This guy knows nothing . Half his facts are wrong . lol since James Franklin (2013) we only had 1 coach and finally moved on from him last year in (2021) so this makes no sense
The SEC should change Vanderbilt to another conference like Norte Dame as a switch
Norte dame isn’t in the south😂
Notre Dame would be in the ACC bud
You need Either nick Saban or Bill Snyders Ghost
In Nashville we really don't care for Vanderbilt most of the time we root for TSU or the vols
But you do root for Vandy in baseball!
@@benmangrum8626 no
We are far from dead . This is Misleading . James Franklin had winning seasons his whole time there. Derek Mason had 3 bowling appearances.. sure we’ve gone 5 and something a couple of years but to say 2-3 you are butt. You are definitely a vawls fan
Generally surprised vandy made the channel
I think Dandy Vandy took the "Play Like A Girl" motto to heart
For a person with 190k subs I figured this would be a fact driven vid but 16secs in you started with misleading facts. Sure we are no bama but to say 4 winning season out of 40 is horrible facts. Obviously people enjoy your content but all I ask is to do actually research before downplaying a program . Using google I found 6 bowl teams and 3 that were 1 win away from a bowl since 2002z Granted that’s not like amazing but it’s also not as bad as you’re making it seem. Sure you were right about the schools lack of commitment to the athletics side but with a lot of new changes in place we have faith our programs will grew with the efforts we’ve seen so far .
I wouldnt say people that walk in there ate set up for failure all the guys that get a degree there will be set for life even without football
Look who they have to recruit against and look how many injuries they have every single year. Basically playing in the NFC South
I’m surprised you didn’t mention Sarah Fuller.
Rice university Tulane university north western university duke university Vanderbilt University.
I want James Franklin to come back lol
Academics is no excuse. Northwestern has similar academic requirements and they still manage to hold their own on the football field. Stanford has even tougher requirements than Vandy and they aren't a football embarrassment. What makes it even worse is they've been playing in the mostly inferior SEC East and they STILL can't be respectable.
Vanderbilt has fewer students and alumni than Stanford and Northwestern. They just physically don't have enough students and Alumni to compete with other huge sec schools. Northwestern is a decent size and Stanford is in a weaker conference with smaller schools.
@@peenhead9938 Sorry, not buying it. Vanderbilt is in a MUCH richer state for high school football talent than Northwestern and its surrounded by better High School Football states than Northwestern is. Duke is another example. Very similar enrollment to Vandy and even they aren't as inept as Vanderbilt is. And don't give me the Conference argument. As I said, they are in the East which has been far inferior to the West for most of the last decade. There is no way they should be this inept. Nobody is saying they should be Alabama or Georgia but they should be at least competing for a bowl game every few years but I guess if Vanderbilt fans are fine with it then so is the administration.
@@neneshubby They should be as good as Duke sure (which is pretty bad) I agree with that. They are probably equal to Duke tbh. I bet if they played every year they would both be around .500. But you cant compare them to Northwestern and Stanford though for a lot of reasons.
@@peenhead9938 I think your missing my point a bit. I use them as an example of schools with high academic standards who are also respectable on the football field. That's the main point I'm trying to make. Its possible to do both if your University has the commitment. Vanderbilt should be using schools like Northwestern as a template for what they can aspire to instead of making excuses about why they can't do it. That's a losing mentality. After following sports for most of my life I can tell you one big difference between winning organizations and losing ones is the winning ones figure out ways to get it done and losing ones tell you all the reasons why they can't do it. That's true in college and pro.
@@neneshubby And im saying it has nothing to do with academic standards and everything to do with the number of fans. 12000 students and 20,000 students is a big difference.
As a Vanderbilt fan they have been dead for a while and definitely will continue to be
When you speak of pro athletes and how they pick where they go based off the size of market is kinda part of it. But that is actually where and how the not so smart athletes go about their free agency picking.
Pro baseball players and some pro football players are actually going wisely rather than seeing the glamour of the size of market. Most are making twice as much saving from tax policies in smaller markets. Not saying they don't make lots, but they pay almost triple in taxes it's kinda hilarious.
If Stanford can build a good football program with high academic Standards, why can't Vanderbilt?
Location, Vandy is in the south with the average education being way worse than in California, especially for athletes. Smarter football players from California, don't want to move to Tennessee when they can stay at Stanford. I mean look a Duke and Wake Forest they are also terrible for the same reason as Vandy, but the smart p5 players in the south are getting divided up by those 3 schools, while in the west coast it is basically only Stanford.
Remember, Vandy top brass doesn't care about football.
@@kvereensr1 lol you really think schools care about education for athletes... If they could get better recruits they would. It has nothing to do with academic standards.
@@peenhead9938 schools definitely care about academic standards for athletes, it's all about optics and marketing, they get tons of money from donners and alumni because of their brand which would deplete if they did not have them. I mean look at unc and the reputational hit they took with their athlete academic scandal... they lost tons of donnar money after that. Having something like academic standards, or something that separates you adds to your brand that allows you to stand out from just being a generic team/school. An organizations brand is core to their marketing and getting, eyes and money on them and not someone else.
@@kvereensr1 you know what makes more money...? Winning games. If Vanderbilt or whoever could get Alabama and Ohio state recruits they would.
They belong in the Big 12, we're Eagles Fly with Eagles
I love buying cheap jerseys from dumpster fire teams. Plus they usually have all the cool alternates
they're more of a basketball school tbh
Baseball school
@@vpoftoiletpapersales1202 your right I’m thinking about Purdue for some reason
Another Great Video👍
Go freaking Dores.