What are your thoughts on Vandy's Football struggles? Will Clark Lea be the guy to turn around the program? Can this school get back to the levels that James Franklin had them at?
@@porterwake3898he made 3 straight bowl games and won 9 games twice nobody has ever done anything like that at Vanderbilt. Saying he didn’t do anything is blasphemous
The next generation of football realignment is likely to lead to football only conferences. The SEC won't kick Vanderbilt out of the league, because the new super league will take many of the SEC super teams, of which Vanderbilt will not be one of them. At that point, the Magnolia League that never came to be in the early 1960s might actually become reality. Vanderbilt would be a founding member of this new league, along with Duke, Rice, Northwestern, Stanford, Army, Navy, Air Force, Tulane, Georgia Tech, SMU, and Wake Forest. That would be a great 12-team football league. Two divisions in this league with a league championship game would give Vanderbilt a chance to compete on equal terms with their peers.
As a Vanderbilt fan it's as simple as this why they don't win consistently in football. RECRUITING. You can't line up thourabred horses 🐎 with jackass mules and expect to win races. even if they recruit in the top 30 in the country they are still last in recruiting in the SEC. The rest of the conference recruits in the top 20 and mostly top 10 nationaly. So until they can start winning the recruiting battles with the Tennessee Alabama Georgia and LSU, s of the world they Will be lucky to make a bowl game a couple times a decade and that's just the Cold hard FACTS being Vanderbilt football in the Best conference in the USA. Win or lose thats still my dog in the hunt. Thank God for the B-ball sports. ⚓ Anchor down ✌️ and Go Dores.
Stanford, UCLA, Northwestern GA Tech and other “academic schools” have had really good seasons in the last 25 years. There really isn’t any excuse for Vandy.
@@KAO-lj3oz being in the SEC does not make a difference,I do not hate the SEC.But it is very overrated.Just georgia and alabama playing with a bunch of babies who have a once in a decade 10 win season.
Im hopeful for the Dores. Clark is the best man for Vandy at this time. He gives them the best chance to win, compared to other potential candidates. Vandy needs a path to contention and hopefully for them, Lea has laid a solid blueprint for them. The stadium renovation will help recruiting. Nash is already a great town, now they just need to find a way to compete in the SEC. Time will tell. I'll be rooting for them.
Vandy fan here. I’m 22 so I havnt seen as much losing as the older vandy fan has, but there are a lot of fans bought into Clark Lea. After Mason left the program at the lowest of lows we weren’t expecting that many wins year one. Year two Lea surpassed expectations and won 2 SEC games and was 1 win away from a bowl game. We also finally have a chancellor who cares about athletics. The stadium is under construction right now, they’re building a new ops building, new indoor, new everything basically. We also have a collective that’s getting more and more money into it. The future is definitely bright and fans are expecting a bowl game this year.
Big brother Tennessee fan here, sorry had to get a quick jab in, but i really do think you have a great coach in Clark Lea, and with him being an alum i really think he cares and could build you all up with the investments made into your program, but even with him being an alum I'd still be worried that money would talk and he'd leave as well, if he stays loyal and investments keep coming, you'll never experience the losing like older generations of your team experienced, and even as a Tennessee fan i truly hope you never experience that, except when we play of course.
@@ethanwalker2153 from this Vandy fan (shocker, not too many of us out there lol) we appreciate the sentiment, even if it comes from the big bad orange team haha. You're absolutely right, we need to hope that Lea doesn't get poached a la James Franklin not too long ago. Hopefully him being an alum and the actual investments our admin have made (finally!) will decrease those chances. We'll see ya Nov 25th! Hoping for a bit of a closer game this year lol
@anonemoose6121 you ain't joking about the lack of fans yall have, no disrespect there, but there is a reason we call it neyland west and last year talked about checkering it. With James it was surprising at how well he made you all, though so pissed at that photo regarding Johnny majors, Kinda hard to believe it's taken then so long to finally invest in the team. I really hope to see yall competitive with everyone, but hopefully not too much with us! XD Out of curiosity, how does one become a vandy fan considering the history of said team
@@ethanwalker2153 I'm an alum. I definitely can't knock Vandy for the post-grad opportunities, that's for sure lol. And while we're few in number, there are definitely passionate Vandy fans out there. Understandably, you probably think those fans are crazy, but we're taking it step by step! Having baseball + an improving basketball team doesn't hurt either
I think when people talk about a relegation system for conferences in the future if we go to 1 or 2 superconferences, no hate to Vandy but this would be the kind of team that would get kicked out. Vandy's scores last season to Alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee were 55-3, 55-0, and 56-0 respectively. Even if you're the worst in the conference to me that's just not good enough. We shouldn't pretend that they're competing at the same level as the 13 other programs in the conference. As a badger fan in our conference Northwestern is a very comparable team and yet has had numerous 10 win seasons under Fitz despite going 1-11 last year. I think the biggest problem with a place like Vandy is if they ever finally get the hire right and get another James Franklin and say they get 10 wins, that guy will just get hired away because it would show that he's obviously good. After that the program would be back to square one. Honestly Vandy's reputation that they can't play football would be erased if they just got relegated to the G5 and were able to consistently make a bowl game.
There academics and baseball team is to good to be in the G5 I could see vandy going independent but being a associate with the sec and playing basketball and baseball along with other sports in the sec but being a non football member
Here we are 6 months later and vandy is a 2 win team. The problem with vandy is their AD doesnt care amd the school in general doesn't care. Their academic standards are too high as well. There are plenty of great football players who have high GPAs though. But they choose to play at schools like Notre Dame because that school cares about football and continues to invest millions in it every year
Great video love your content my man I am a softcore fan of Vanderbilt live in Tennessee there are fun team to root for hopefully they get better in the future
One day ya'll will understand that everybody can't be good and somebody gotta eat the losses. Couple main eventers, couple upper mid carders, couple lower mid carders, couple jobbers = a balanced situation. Vandy knows their role in football and they play it well.
@@michaelnewton1332 One big problem, you still think wresting is the only form of sports entertainment. It's isn't. Their just the first sport to openly break Kayfabe. If Vandy really wanted to be good, they got the resources to be good but becoming the next SMU isn't the best business decision.
The SEC seems like CONMEBOL. You got Alabama = Brazil LSU = Argentina Florida, Tennessee = Uruguay Georgia = Chile Auburn = Colombia South Carolina, Texas A&M = Ecuador Ole Miss, Mississippi State = Peru Kentucky = Bolivia Vandy = Venezuela
-but how serious can it be, if James Franklin can have the progression that was enjoyed a decade ago? Had he remained for another year, that 10-win plateau is likely cracked, and Vandy gets to a Baylor-like level of national respect. At least the Vandy admin understands that they will need to spend some money, if they want a viable program. Perhaps, in another year or two, when Franklin proves that he cannot get over the Michigan-Ohio State hump at PSU, he will leave Happy Valley. Pay the man to come back to Nashville. It's working for Greg Schianno in Piscataway for the second time. Rutgers will jump up and bite someone in 2023. I just hope that it is not my Wolverines.
I think the fact is that the is always going to be bottom feeders, even in the best conferences. Not every SEC team can go 9-3 every year, but with expansion of conferences recently, it could open up more opportunities for smaller schools like Vandy and Rutgers due to cannibalism at the top level
The problem isn’t so much that Vanderbilt fans don’t care, but that they barely exist. I’ve lived in the Nashville area for over 25 years and I know zero Vandy fans. I’ve met about 5. Tennessee is far more popular
I give Vanderbilt a lot of grief, and for good reason. They are simply a tone-deaf school that seems like it has no problem with football mediocrity. Even worse, is with current historical examples, there is simply no reason for it. There are numerous examples of the right guy turning a moribund program at an "academic" school to at least respectability. Gary Barnett did it at Northwestern. Jim Harbaugh and Brian Shaw did it at Stanford. David Cutcliffe and Mike Elko have done it at Duke. And Greg Schiano, at least for a time, did it at Rutgers. The difference between Vanderbilt and these other examples? Vanderbilt simply doesn't want to. For some reason, they seem perfectly fine with being a doormat.
So here’s the thing. I don’t buy the prestigious school thing. You can be a rigorous academic institution and have a good team. Schools that are on pare with (let’s be honest most are better) vandy have been fully able to be successful while being academic powerhouses. No o es gonna say that Michigan Texas notre dame USC etc. are held back in academics from football. It’s just not a zero sum game. Sports even make you a better school look at how Gonzaga’s acceptance rate has plummeted as the basketball team has become relevant
I agree. They’re a prestigious academic university, but that hasn’t prevented them from finding success in other sports (Baseball, Basketball). Other schools as well have seen success without it, even Stanford & Northwestern, 2 who aren’t powerhouses have played for something that matters which I touched on in the video. Even Duke has done something in football recently. Vanderbilt has a football problem
@@JKJ002 no exactly that’s what I’m saying. Vandy fans will defend their lack of success saying (rather condescendingly) that they prioritize academics not athletics. You can do both, They’re not mutually exclusive
Michigan & Texas can’t hold a candle to Vandy in academics. ND is the only one close, with USC being a solid second. It’s the fact they don’t have an athletic department and for a long time the chancellor running the school tried to cut out sports all together. James Franklin showed they can be competitive, but Derek Mason was an absolute failure and brought the program back to the Stone Age. The baseball and basketball programs have shown they can be competitive & I trust Clark Lea will get them to be a consistent team. It’s only year 3.
@@tpgorman15 that is um a take. Notre dame ok, weird that you leave out duke northwrstern and stanford tho. Texas no you’re right they’re a slight tier below. But schools like Berkeley ucla and Michigan are consensus as good as vandy if not far better. I have respect for vandy they’re a good school definitely punching above their weight giving their conference
@@ianmoore3470 HA Michigan, UCLA on par with Vandy academics? Laughable. Stanford, ND, NU sure. But ND hasn't really been good in 2 decades. Stanford was good for a few years and not so much after. And NU? Dumpster fire now
This was the team that put a split tail on the field just for propaganda purposes, right? I used to feel bad when they lost 56-0. Now I actually root for teams to go for two.
If the fans cared about football at Vanderbilt, they’d actually go to games. The fast majority of fans at Vanderbilt games are from the other team. Stop the cap.
@@michaelnewton1332the problem isn’t that they don’t care, but that they barely exist. I’ve lived in the Nashville area my whole life and UT is far more popular. I know zero vandy fans.
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What are your thoughts on Vandy's Football struggles? Will Clark Lea be the guy to turn around the program? Can this school get back to the levels that James Franklin had them at?
I think they can but playing in the sec is difficult
James Franklin didn't do anything for Vanderbilt. He had two decent years and bailed because he know what was coming.
@@porterwake3898he made 3 straight bowl games and won 9 games twice nobody has ever done anything like that at Vanderbilt. Saying he didn’t do anything is blasphemous
from the future: looks like yes
Vanderbilt’s motto should be “Just Happy To Be Here.”
Vanderbilt should set up a yearly out of league rivalry versus Duke. I'd watch it and cheer for them.
The next generation of football realignment is likely to lead to football only conferences. The SEC won't kick Vanderbilt out of the league, because the new super league will take many of the SEC super teams, of which Vanderbilt will not be one of them. At that point, the Magnolia League that never came to be in the early 1960s might actually become reality. Vanderbilt would be a founding member of this new league, along with Duke, Rice, Northwestern, Stanford, Army, Navy, Air Force, Tulane, Georgia Tech, SMU, and Wake Forest. That would be a great 12-team football league. Two divisions in this league with a league championship game would give Vanderbilt a chance to compete on equal terms with their peers.
As a Vanderbilt fan it's as simple as this why they don't win consistently in football. RECRUITING. You can't line up thourabred horses 🐎 with jackass mules and expect to win races. even if they recruit in the top 30 in the country they are still last in recruiting in the SEC. The rest of the conference recruits in the top 20 and mostly top 10 nationaly. So until they can start winning the recruiting battles with the Tennessee Alabama Georgia and LSU, s of the world they Will be lucky to make a bowl game a couple times a decade and that's just the Cold hard FACTS being Vanderbilt
football in the Best conference in the USA. Win or lose thats still my dog in the hunt. Thank God for the B-ball sports. ⚓ Anchor down ✌️ and Go Dores.
Stanford, UCLA, Northwestern GA Tech and other “academic schools” have had really good seasons in the last 25 years. There really isn’t any excuse for Vandy.
They’re not in the SEC
@@KAO-lj3oz Georgia Tech was a former SEC member, one of the founders actually, and won a national championship in that conference.
@@G_54-GMG in 1952…
@@KAO-lj3oz being in the SEC does not make a difference,I do not hate the SEC.But it is very overrated.Just georgia and alabama playing with a bunch of babies who have a once in a decade 10 win season.
Im hopeful for the Dores. Clark is the best man for Vandy at this time. He gives them the best chance to win, compared to other potential candidates. Vandy needs a path to contention and hopefully for them, Lea has laid a solid blueprint for them. The stadium renovation will help recruiting. Nash is already a great town, now they just need to find a way to compete in the SEC. Time will tell. I'll be rooting for them.
Academic requirements hurt
Mason lost 26 recruits in the first two seasons this set school back a decade in recuriting, due to Franklin leaving for Penn St.
Great Video. Grew up going to Vandy football games. Awesome to see the school finally putting money towards the program.
Vandy would be a great addition to conference USA.
I agree 100% but as a founding member of the sec I don't see it ever happening
Maybe
Here after Vandy upset Bama 🫨
Nothing wrong with being a baseball school
Vandy fan here. I’m 22 so I havnt seen as much losing as the older vandy fan has, but there are a lot of fans bought into Clark Lea. After Mason left the program at the lowest of lows we weren’t expecting that many wins year one. Year two Lea surpassed expectations and won 2 SEC games and was 1 win away from a bowl game. We also finally have a chancellor who cares about athletics. The stadium is under construction right now, they’re building a new ops building, new indoor, new everything basically. We also have a collective that’s getting more and more money into it. The future is definitely bright and fans are expecting a bowl game this year.
Big brother Tennessee fan here, sorry had to get a quick jab in, but i really do think you have a great coach in Clark Lea, and with him being an alum i really think he cares and could build you all up with the investments made into your program, but even with him being an alum I'd still be worried that money would talk and he'd leave as well, if he stays loyal and investments keep coming, you'll never experience the losing like older generations of your team experienced, and even as a Tennessee fan i truly hope you never experience that, except when we play of course.
@@ethanwalker2153 from this Vandy fan (shocker, not too many of us out there lol) we appreciate the sentiment, even if it comes from the big bad orange team haha. You're absolutely right, we need to hope that Lea doesn't get poached a la James Franklin not too long ago. Hopefully him being an alum and the actual investments our admin have made (finally!) will decrease those chances.
We'll see ya Nov 25th! Hoping for a bit of a closer game this year lol
@anonemoose6121 you ain't joking about the lack of fans yall have, no disrespect there, but there is a reason we call it neyland west and last year talked about checkering it.
With James it was surprising at how well he made you all, though so pissed at that photo regarding Johnny majors, Kinda hard to believe it's taken then so long to finally invest in the team. I really hope to see yall competitive with everyone, but hopefully not too much with us! XD
Out of curiosity, how does one become a vandy fan considering the history of said team
@@ethanwalker2153 congrats
@@ethanwalker2153 I'm an alum. I definitely can't knock Vandy for the post-grad opportunities, that's for sure lol. And while we're few in number, there are definitely passionate Vandy fans out there.
Understandably, you probably think those fans are crazy, but we're taking it step by step! Having baseball + an improving basketball team doesn't hurt either
I think when people talk about a relegation system for conferences in the future if we go to 1 or 2 superconferences, no hate to Vandy but this would be the kind of team that would get kicked out. Vandy's scores last season to Alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee were 55-3, 55-0, and 56-0 respectively. Even if you're the worst in the conference to me that's just not good enough. We shouldn't pretend that they're competing at the same level as the 13 other programs in the conference. As a badger fan in our conference Northwestern is a very comparable team and yet has had numerous 10 win seasons under Fitz despite going 1-11 last year. I think the biggest problem with a place like Vandy is if they ever finally get the hire right and get another James Franklin and say they get 10 wins, that guy will just get hired away because it would show that he's obviously good. After that the program would be back to square one. Honestly Vandy's reputation that they can't play football would be erased if they just got relegated to the G5 and were able to consistently make a bowl game.
How about that Northwestern program now?
There academics and baseball team is to good to be in the G5 I could see vandy going independent but being a associate with the sec and playing basketball and baseball along with other sports in the sec but being a non football member
The only reason Vanderbilt is in the SEC is to raise the conference GPA.
Here we are 6 months later and vandy is a 2 win team. The problem with vandy is their AD doesnt care amd the school in general doesn't care. Their academic standards are too high as well. There are plenty of great football players who have high GPAs though. But they choose to play at schools like Notre Dame because that school cares about football and continues to invest millions in it every year
Great video love your content my man I am a softcore fan of Vanderbilt live in Tennessee there are fun team to root for hopefully they get better in the future
Vanderbilt is just not a SEC team. They should go to the Ivy League
Bc Vanderbilt wouldn't put money behind the football program for decades...
They can switch with Tulane
This aged like milk
They are a founding member. They just have to keep trying and be semi competitive.
They so bad I even forget they were in the sec
Found my next College Football Revamped project
Vandy is a baseball school I don't blame them for thier struggles
One day ya'll will understand that everybody can't be good and somebody gotta eat the losses. Couple main eventers, couple upper mid carders, couple lower mid carders, couple jobbers = a balanced situation. Vandy knows their role in football and they play it well.
One small problem This is football, not pro wrestling.
@@michaelnewton1332 One big problem, you still think wresting is the only form of sports entertainment. It's isn't. Their just the first sport to openly break Kayfabe.
If Vandy really wanted to be good, they got the resources to be good but becoming the next SMU isn't the best business decision.
The SEC seems like CONMEBOL. You got
Alabama = Brazil
LSU = Argentina
Florida, Tennessee = Uruguay
Georgia = Chile
Auburn = Colombia
South Carolina, Texas A&M = Ecuador
Ole Miss, Mississippi State = Peru
Kentucky = Bolivia
Vandy = Venezuela
They don’t belong in the Sec
Correction: Vanderbilt has always had a football problem.
-but how serious can it be, if James Franklin can have the progression that was enjoyed a decade ago? Had he remained for another year, that 10-win plateau is likely cracked, and Vandy gets to a Baylor-like level of national respect. At least the Vandy admin understands that they will need to spend some money, if they want a viable program.
Perhaps, in another year or two, when Franklin proves that he cannot get over the Michigan-Ohio State hump at PSU, he will leave Happy Valley. Pay the man to come back to Nashville. It's working for Greg Schianno in Piscataway for the second time. Rutgers will jump up and bite someone in 2023. I just hope that it is not my Wolverines.
A BAYLOR LEVEL OF RESPECT? AHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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I think the fact is that the is always going to be bottom feeders, even in the best conferences. Not every SEC team can go 9-3 every year, but with expansion of conferences recently, it could open up
more opportunities for smaller schools like Vandy and Rutgers due to cannibalism at the top level
They need to lower the GPA to 2.5 or 3.0 for better players.
The problem isn’t so much that Vanderbilt fans don’t care, but that they barely exist. I’ve lived in the Nashville area for over 25 years and I know zero Vandy fans. I’ve met about 5. Tennessee is far more popular
Baseball is their flagship program.
Back in the day buying tickets for Tennessee Titans Vanderbilt tickets game with it LoL
I give Vanderbilt a lot of grief, and for good reason. They are simply a tone-deaf school that seems like it has no problem with football mediocrity. Even worse, is with current historical examples, there is simply no reason for it.
There are numerous examples of the right guy turning a moribund program at an "academic" school to at least respectability. Gary Barnett did it at Northwestern. Jim Harbaugh and Brian Shaw did it at Stanford. David Cutcliffe and Mike Elko have done it at Duke. And Greg Schiano, at least for a time, did it at Rutgers.
The difference between Vanderbilt and these other examples? Vanderbilt simply doesn't want to. For some reason, they seem perfectly fine with being a doormat.
They’ll never be a Baylor or Northwestern like story. SEC too tough
Can you do the same idea with Missouri football
Would be an interesting concept, especially given their early success after joining the SEC. I'll see what I can do
Mizzou has always had Big Ten envy. They got snubbed for Maryland, when the B1G expanded a decade ago.
Mizzou is better than Vandy
Vanderbilt has sucked since the SEC formed.
So here’s the thing. I don’t buy the prestigious school thing. You can be a rigorous academic institution and have a good team. Schools that are on pare with (let’s be honest most are better) vandy have been fully able to be successful while being academic powerhouses. No o es gonna say that Michigan Texas notre dame USC etc. are held back in academics from football. It’s just not a zero sum game. Sports even make you a better school look at how Gonzaga’s acceptance rate has plummeted as the basketball team has become relevant
I agree. They’re a prestigious academic university, but that hasn’t prevented them from finding success in other sports (Baseball, Basketball). Other schools as well have seen success without it, even Stanford & Northwestern, 2 who aren’t powerhouses have played for something that matters which I touched on in the video. Even Duke has done something in football recently. Vanderbilt has a football problem
@@JKJ002 no exactly that’s what I’m saying. Vandy fans will defend their lack of success saying (rather condescendingly) that they prioritize academics not athletics. You can do both, They’re not mutually exclusive
Michigan & Texas can’t hold a candle to Vandy in academics. ND is the only one close, with USC being a solid second. It’s the fact they don’t have an athletic department and for a long time the chancellor running the school tried to cut out sports all together. James Franklin showed they can be competitive, but Derek Mason was an absolute failure and brought the program back to the Stone Age. The baseball and basketball programs have shown they can be competitive & I trust Clark Lea will get them to be a consistent team. It’s only year 3.
@@tpgorman15 that is um a take. Notre dame ok, weird that you leave out duke northwrstern and stanford tho. Texas no you’re right they’re a slight tier below. But schools like Berkeley ucla and Michigan are consensus as good as vandy if not far better. I have respect for vandy they’re a good school definitely punching above their weight giving their conference
@@ianmoore3470 HA Michigan, UCLA on par with Vandy academics? Laughable. Stanford, ND, NU sure. But ND hasn't really been good in 2 decades. Stanford was good for a few years and not so much after. And NU? Dumpster fire now
It is because of the fans and the stadium and the plays that make the team suck!
Vandy hasn’t competed in basketball recently either.
They are just getting an SEC paycheck and complacent, like Stanford.
They finished tied for 4th in the SEC last year… complacent schools don’t spend $300 million on athletics upgrades
Thats a lot of effort to look stupid a year later.
Vanderbilts program is that they don’t care enough about football
Vanderbilt Created SEC.....where did roy Kramer come from
Who's here after we beat Bama?
The administration doesn’t care about Football
Well, I can tell you they do now.
This was the team that put a split tail on the field just for propaganda purposes, right? I used to feel bad when they lost 56-0. Now I actually root for teams to go for two.
Sadly for Vandy, they don’t get to play over hyped 🤡 Will Levis again, since they smashed him into the ground last season.
Vanderbilt is that adult child still living at home who refuses to work and wants to reap the benefits.
Anddddd they just beat bama lmao
The fans care, this guy needs to chill a little bit with his comments.
If the fans cared about football at Vanderbilt, they’d actually go to games. The fast majority of fans at Vanderbilt games are from the other team. Stop the cap.
@@michaelnewton1332the problem isn’t that they don’t care, but that they barely exist. I’ve lived in the Nashville area my whole life and UT is far more popular. I know zero vandy fans.
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