Gemini and the End of the World
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- Опубликовано: 5 май 2024
- In late 2019, a series named Gemini Home Entertainment was born. While initially appearing to harbor ordinary VHS tapes about various life activities, the content within them is much more ominous than it appears.
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Chapters:
0:00 - Introduction
4:11 - Arc One
50:37 - Diving into Lethal Omen
1:08:50 - Save Point A
1:15:00 - Arc Two
2:13:54 - Save Point B
2:14:53 - Decoding Gemini Home Entertainment
2:23:40 - Arc (?)
2:30:27 - Closing Remarks
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End credits: Woob - Wuub: • Woob - Wuub
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going to watch this tonight
This just made my day. Thank you Nexpo!
Fosho
thank you for the food nexpo
As a Minnesotan, I thought it was weird after I saw this that other people have never seen a woodcrawler. Whenever we had Thanksgiving we have to do a regular check to make sure Grandma is still Grandma.
Ope, that's just the worst, especially when she's supposed to be bringing the hot dish.
...what.
We do the same in Australia. Every Christmas, we perform a check on everyone.
thats why my ass is staying in fucking Texas.
@@thenateshow4371 Remember that woodcrawlers are found throughout all of North America, so stay vigilant. ;}
nobody knows how badly i want to put all these videos onto a VHS & donate them to a charity shop or thrift store in hopes someone will stumble across them one day and be freaked out beyond belief lmao
Chaotic evil. I would buy these lol
What's stopping you?
Dude I was literally thinking that as well lol
Le epic prank
i've got a vcr and a softmodded wii that can play video files, gotchu covered bro
I love how 'home invasion' somehow indicates that wood crawlers can have anxiety 😭
They’re a little nervous ok it’s their first time they’re trying their best
Its their first time be a bit gracious . Can a wood fella not have a couple hobbies ?? God
@@drezzoisdeadthey just trying to impress the iris
@@WarhammerEnjoyer we've all been there
@WarhammerEnjoyer you said the Irs?
I really love how in gemini, the giants are protecting the earth, just like in real life.
Jupiter and Saturn have a magnetic field strong enough to where it shifts asteroids that would normally be heading straight for earth away.
In Gemini, it somehow weakens Iris to where it cant destroy the Earth until it deals with the Giants.
Our Celestial Siblings need more credit tbh.
Saturn being the gateway makes a ton of sense, he was one loyal bro. Even our friend Jupiter once tried to eat us all during the formation of the solar system. Most star systems in the galaxy don't have a Saturn to pull back the gas giant from eating/ejecting everything in the inner system. Saturn's a real one.
MY SING IS GEMINI LOL
@@GRUNG3N3Dmy name is gemini
and they've got battle scars as well. Saturn being the gateway probably means it has traded blows with the iris to stop it from advancing and jupiter definitely has gotten a hit with its great red spot being called an open wound
@@HighSchoolHacks1damn. shoutout fr theyre the realest
“Oh yeah, and Neptune’s f*cking missing”
Best Nexpo line 100%
I heard that line at 2am and am currently crying laughing. So good
@@whatok8816 I came to ask the same question. Couldn't stop thinking about it but can't remember when it was.
@@whatok8816 Found it! 2:08:00
It's a nice change from Jennifer's Body, seeing good horror set in MN
I should've read through comments before making almost the same as this one. Glad I'm not the only person who felt that line, though.
Honestly, it's just hilarious to think that the Woodcrawlers make VHS tapes for _each other_ and include such reassuring messages as "I know breaking into human homes to steal their skin can be stressful, but we're gonna get through it!"
Eldritch Abominations have feelings too!
If they're that supportive of each other honestly I don't mind joining their ranks
they're just trying to live their life!!
How do they speak english..
"...we're gonna get through it!"
Same energy as "We're All Gonna Make It!"
Makes you think, huh?
For this series, my favorite human has to be Jack. I love how, despite him never saying a single word for the entire series, I grew attached to him. He was the only human we'd seen record Woodcrawlers and Fake People, even getting a shot of the newly mutated Mary. He'd survived so many horrific attacks because, well, he's human. He prioritized his own life over others, seen when Mary "went down the stream" and in World's Weirdest Animals where, when the Fake Person rushes him down, he doesn't stand there and record it brutally converting or killing him. He turns and runs, not bothering to get a good shot. He advises on what to do to the best of one man's ability. He truly was one of the bravest analog horror protagonists I've ever known.
Then he dies
@@TheJoviLovi"did you die??"
"Tragically yes....BUT I LIVVED!"
I mean, he's literally one of like what, 3-4 people that are mentioned more than twice? And 99% of focus on humans in general is on him so it's not that hard to chose a favorite....
@@mokou2526*Sees a fake person* So you’re that punk I’ve heard about **shits pants**
@TheManInThe5uit but do you really need to choose one tho?
My fave part by far is when nexpo says "oh yeah, neptunes fucking missing." Such a responce like that deserves a reward
“We woke up and it just kinda wasn’t there.”
When
@@ringsgaming091 2:08:05
Why
@@MD-jz7xx cause its funny??
Truly one of the, if not the most, authentic analog horror out there next to Local58. I owe so much to Remy, if it weren't for Gemini and Walten Files I wouldn't have ever started Mandela Catalogue
Can’t wait to watch Nexpos episode of your series Alex
Nothing terrified me more than your Magnum opus, the Scrimblo Catalogue. I salute you.
@@joshuagoddard6848 TERRIFYING
Your series has really come into it's own, I'm glad to here that the community is so interlinked, but don't sell your self short
mandela catalogue sucks compared to all those lmao
Nexpo, you spoil us
@@GarfieldPhone Get some bitches 🙏🙏🙏
@@GarfieldPhone with a username like that you really can't be talkin mate
Love both of you guys' work
@@GarfieldPhone no one asked you bud
@@GarfieldPhone crinnnnnge
fun little detail: "albedo" (as in the "albedo alarm" recommended for storms) typically refers to the amount of light reflected from a light source such as the sun on the surface of a planet or moon. to me, this implies a hidden function of the alarms being to signal the location of humans to the woodcrawlers, or just a reference to sort of turning the earth into a beacon of sorts
Alternatively, since woodcrawler eyes glow, it could detect it and the Iris' light emission
@@rowanjones5562this is so true bro what if its like a light sensor that can tell by what sort of light it is (like wavelength i guess? probably alongside brightness/motion/time it appears at/etc) that its a woodcrawler……. that woukd be very cool
Isn’t it also a genshin character name?
@@fionnaandcakecosplayit's severely unlikely to be a genshin reference.
@@Rissa_1322 oh yeah, I know. It was just something I thought of
I like the detail that the Iris targetted a few planets before turning its attention to Earth. Makes us feel a lot less important to it, which is good for the sense of our insignificance so vital to cosmic horror.
I like to think that it was always after us, all the planets (and moons) affected were side effects but specifically neptune and uranus were just preparations to start the invasions on earth (edit-) because, if I remember correctly, in the solar system video, Neptune beams something over to earth. That gave me the idea that it's using Neptune as a breeding ground and then sending them (woodcrawlers, gardeners, so on) over to Earth.
i think someone else’s comment summed it up best - the other planets protect us somehow, and iris had to deal with “the giants” before it could target earth, soooo no.. we were the target. it jus couldn’t get to us :)
with how the woodcrawlers and all of that functions, there was no need to target the other planets, they were more or less obstacles protecting us from the iris which is shown with how battle scared they look and how the red dot on jupiter is described as an open wound
Whenever I see/hear audio like the "mimic" of someone crying for help, I'm always reminded of film classes where you have to call local authorities and warn any possible neighbors "hey we're going to be screaming and covered in blood it's art so it's ok please don't come here"
imagine guest coming over when your neighbors are doing that
Clowns have to do the same thing, to. Not even joking, they tell authorities about their schedules for the same reason.
@@SabbyNeko Makes sense. Clowns are terrifying for some people and used as dangerous disguise, it's better to be safe than sorry.
@@SabbyNeko I imagine that only started really being a thing after 2016.
Just what I thought as soon as I realised it was an actor, like what are the logistics of that? Imagine getting notified of it, then hearing it later and having to assure yourself that it's just art going on.
what I love is that the cameraman isn’t a fucking idiot, he actually runs from the wood crawlers, prioritizes his live over the footage, etc. the smaller details really make the series
It also keeps us from seeing the monsters, preserving the fear of the unknown in a natural way
Bad vlogger ngl
They need better actors or ideas, seeing the camera and running to the camera person is extremely cliche
@@andromedabloom3277 bro what else are you supposed to do in that situation
You are faced with a beast you know nothing of or what it is, the most common response in your brain would say "run" fight is not an option here facing a creature you've never seen or know anything of. The camera man is doing what you would've done anyways, like seriously tell me what you would've done seeing that creature.
@@EstebanGilChillington yeh that's not the issue I'm talking about .
As someone who studies space in my free time, seeing "Neptune has been mutated" sent fear rushing into my heart
This!!! I love outer space and it’s like a comfort topic for me to learn and talk about, and when I first saw Neptune being mutated I was like “oh shit” and it made me shiver
For me it was the bit about Jupiter's red spot; 'it is not an eye. it is an open wound'
I'd be more spooked by a whole planet disappearing, as by the time of the Crusader 5 mission, Neptune's beat it from our solar system/absorbed by the Iris
@@JurassicToys2000 That takes 2nd place for me. Seeing Neptune gone made me go "Holy shit".
RUclips comments are so melodramatic
This is what I love about analog horror like this: each entry starts off fairly innocent and then quickly goes off the rails.
You know what you just described? Regular Show.
@@placeholdername3907 I mean, a lot of shows do that. Start innocent and go off the rails, I mean. But I meant horror specifically. I know I've seen clips of the Regular Show getting absurd, but not really that much in the way of horror.
What makes analog horror stories special, when using this method, is that you genuinely don't know what to expect.
this all could’ve been avoided if the woodcrawlers just developed a functional and sustainable agricultural system
or if one guy in this universe had a chainsaw...
@@Swordsoulreaver wood crawlers.....Ah you did the funny
@@realheadshothero what does that have to do with anything here lol
Not enough people will get the joke and that is fine with me.
they ARE the agricultural system
i honestly think gemini home entertainment and local 58 are the two best examples of analog horror there is to offer right now- both of them get the authenticity of the time period down to a tee
Both tell a large story and involve cosmic horror in a way. Two things I like.
The blatant anachronisms of some attempts at analog horror really kill them for me. Shit like "No Players Online" that features a....magnetic tape-based first-person-shooter video game in 1986.
Creators that pay close attention and attempt some verisimilitude deserve a lot of appreciation
An understated element and something I think defines the genre of analog horror is immersion, which I think Gemini and Local 58 get down really well. You feel like you're watching a tape or broadcast on your own TV late at night. Walten Files, for example, struggles to keep that immersion however makes up for it with Martin's amazing art style, while Mandela Cat. boosts it's immersion value by having it's primary setting in something we're all familiar with: a dark household at night.
You forgot the Scrimblo Catalogue
@@allmensland2106 Ooo, I haven't heard of that one. I'll have to look it up.
Edit: Oh. It's just Alex himself making fun of his Mandela stuff.
10:34
“When faced with an outsider that is not one of their kind, they attack them. They’re an absurd imitation of the human form.”
Uh, actually, that’s pretty common human behavior.
Yes that is what the quote just said
@@xeagaortmissed the point completely
A catch-22 isn't a dilemma or difficult decision, it's from the book Catch-22 where not wanting to be in combat was a sign of being rational, so if someone is crazy they need to be grounded, but to be grounded they have to ask for it, which is a sign of being rational so they can't be grounded. So it's a paradoxical situation where there is no way to get the desired outcome.
If you wanted to stretch it you could argue that needing to know someone is not a fake person in order to try to save them but needing to try to save them in order to find out is kinda like that, but the way that idea was structured in the video does hurt this argument and I agree with you that the usage was inappropriate
I started to think, the knock sounds realistic. Its very loud, yet gentle. Almost like the large creature is trying its hardest to knock as normally as it can but the knock is too loud due to its size.
By that I mean the one at 1:53:30
@@dayminder7414 thats an animal known as joe mama
Why did i read this comment when it was happening and wtf youre right
mary is just trying her best
Thanks one for thing to fear
I love Nexpo's calm haunting voice just dropping a "Neptune's f*cking missing"
Timestamp Plz
2:08:07
@@lolpro0496 Thank You
I laughed alot hahahha
19:00
One thing I wanna point out is that when you do the final ending of the game after “sacrificing” yourself the next time you gain control of you character your foot steps are silent. Like how the guide referred to the wood crawlers as being “almost silent”
It's a real shame that Shifting Tendons wasn't released prior to the video. It gives some frightening insight into the process of how Deep Root Disease progresses. I also find it weird how the Deep Blue video is no longer available on GHE's channel, but I'm sure there's a good reason for it.
I believe it's cause the creator said there wasn't really enough lore to have it in the series so it was privated/removed.
@@admiralstone2456aw man, that makes sense but i really liked the thing abt the demisia tunnel n stuff, the whole “Nothing Can Live In The Marianas Trench.” thing was rlly spooky to me… understandable tho since it does seem rather disconnected from everything else
Nexpo feels like that show that you'd occasionally find on TV after everyone else has gone to bed and I AM LOVING IT!
Reminds me of the Outer Limits
Oh definitely. If this were a real tv show I’d stop whatever I’m doing and watch, but then again, I do that already!
a la forensic files
Maybe he could join a Night Mind episode on live TV once!
Nexpo is exactly that in my timezone
It's worth noting that the game "sardines" in Games For Children is similar to the instruction to hide in the bunkers. We know, from Lethal Omen, that bunkers don't actually stop anything. And people crammed inside a bunker would be exactly like sardines packed into a tin can, waiting to be eaten.
I agree, but Sardines is an actual game children play irl
@@terramarzec1869 still quite a viable theory
Damn…
I’m not sure. Harbinge technologies seems to be trying to help, as shown with the Iris saying it guards in vain. Maybe they thought the bunker would help?
I have to say this is one of the more disturbing theory's I've heard, while probably not intentional like @Terra Marzec stated. The idea of the 'Games for Children' video trying to pack children and adults into bunkers to be eaten is creepy on it's own.
I adore gemini, mainly because my initial experience was probably Exactly what Remy was dreaming of; I stumbled on it while messing around at school, because some of the videos got past the wifi restrictions, and was looking for something vaguely pbs so i had an excuse. imagine the surprise when woodcrawlers showed up. hats off to Remy for the stunning production, and you, Nexpo, for getting even more eyes on the series
This A.I. voice Nexpo uses for the narration of their videos DOES sound like a narrator on a PBS documentary
@@wolflover968alphamale8This is just their voice my guy. It’s not Ai.
@@wolflover968alphamale8 You do realize he’s actually spoken to the camera before, right? 😂
@@wolflover968alphamale8I don't blame you for thinking he's AI.
I just realized, this series holds so many similarities to Lovecraft's "Whisperer in Darkness." An fungoid alien race from a planet near Neptune which takes over the bodies of their victims, on both cases "fake people" are the result, and they go about seeking more victims and spreading the alien propaganda. I dont know if it was intentional, but it sounds like it must have taken inspiration. The whole thing is seriously Lovecraftian
It's been a long ass time (+10 years) since I've read that story, but if my memory doesn't fail me, the creatures there werent evil, they kinda were indifferent to humanity and only attacked people that got too close
Have you seen the HPLHS' "Whisperer in Darkness" movie? 2011 IIRC
I'll have to read that one, sounds fascinating
two and a half hours and i still can't get enough of you ryan 🥵🤤😳
I agree (I just read the rest. I agree to an extent)
gay
ok.
So true mama
Ooooo, kinky
There is a certain satisfaction to how this series doesn't flash shocking images or burst loud noises at you suddenly, but instead presents all of its horrific imagery slowly, dimly, and in near dead silence, only amplifying the sound in a gradual crescendo to build up the dread. It's a much more personal type of horror that makes you internalize the haunting reality of the scene for yourself. Just the fact that Woodcrawlers make no noise at all is such a good detail that sets this up from the very beginning.
Yeah it really hammers home the subject matter and doesn't force you to be scared, it does that all on its own accord.
I think theres just something so unsettling in general about anything that would normally be so scary and terrifying as something normal and nothing to be afraid of
You ever P O O P ed on L S D? That what Nexpo is. A big liquid runny rush of relief that splatters all over my walls
spaghetti man is the worst thing ive ever seen
@@christophawscanopy5692 Well this is a description I cannot unread.
Are we actually sure Harbinger technologies were completely ineffective? At least for the bunker
True, a woodcrawler broke through the walls, but the glowing light from the center dome seemed to drive it away for whatever reason. Also, this may have been considered as some sort of advanced in-universe plot point to showcase just _why_ you constructed the... dome thing anyway.
There's a theory that woodcrawlers are weak against Ultraviolet light. Think about it, the bunker is constructed to send them through the whole room, they only appear at night, and the iris itself used the furthest barely habitable planet to launch its attack
38:03 Out of everything in this series, that bear silhouette suddenly changing is the one thing that triggers my fight-or-flight.
Especially since this is the first hint of the existence of the Wretch, which itself is one of the best examples of “NOPE, FUCK THAT” in all of analog horror.
And even worse; the last episode we got heavily implies the Wretch assimilates its victims without killing them.
LITERALLY. THAT SCARED THE SHIT OUTTA ME THE FIRST TIME ☠️
I always loved how in the "how to start a fire" tutorial he's just like:
1: start a fire, if you're unsuccessful:
a) *die*
I mean, that's how it would work in an actual survival situation. They're just skipping a few steps.
I feel like people really need to drop the suicide protocol scares its been a while since local58
My dad when I don't do something right
@@mattzr1550 more like bioshock 2 🥴
Time stamp?
Its interesting to note that in the first episode, every animal mentioned is a burrowing creature.
These are the kind of comments we need.
THEY COME FROM BELOW!!! HIDE YOUR TOES!!
@@juice6199 PROTECT YOUR BALLS
@@juice6199 hahaha
@@xthax9718 thanks, im not sleeping after that
timestamps for my own future reference (and anyone else who happens to see this):
0:00 Intro
4:33 Tape One - World’s Weirdest Animals
11:03 Tape Two - Storm Safety Tips
15:45 Tape Three - Deep Blue
19:08 Tape Four - Artificial Computer Learning
26:34 Tape Five - Our Solar System
30:58 Tape Six - Camp Information Video
36:55 Tape Seven - Wilderness Survival Guide
44:08 Tape Eight - Lethal Omen
50:37 Diving Into Lethal Omen
1:08:50 Save Point A
1:15:15 Tape Nine - Sleep Image Visualizer
1:22:23 Tape Ten - Games For Kids
1:30:27 Tape Eleven - Advanced Mining Vehicle
1:36:05 Tape Twelve - Deep Root Disease
1:42:42 Tape Thirteen - Monthly Progress Report
1:51:49 Tape Fourteen - Christmas Eve Party!
1:56:40 Tape Fifteen - Home Invasion
2:04:52 Tape Sixteen - Crusader Probe Mission
2:13:54 Save Point B
2:14:58 Decoding Gemini Home Entertainment
2:23:40 Arc (?)
2:30:27 Closing Remarks
hope this helps someone!
I love it
Something you failed to mention:
The storm survival video also said the sounds on the radio were auditory hallucinations and not to listen.
Here is my take on the different companies:
Harbinge has been developing defenses and countermeasures to Iris, which seem to work, as the protagonist in the video game survives the "storm." However, it may have been infiltrated by Iris to some degree.
Regnad is either conspiring with Iris or was infiltrated by its minions.
Optica may have been the same as Regnad, a legitimate company that was infiltrated early on.
Gyneva is likely working with Iris intentionally. The video about Crusader 5 had graphics that demonstrated an intimate knowledge of the entity. Additionally, the probe's name indicates a less-than-scientific intent. Instead of a bold or adventurous name, such as Pioneer, Voyager, or Spirit, the probe is named Crusader - one who crusades. A crusade is typically affiliated with religious conflict or a zealous spread of ideology. Gyneva may very well be an Iris cult.
The company names are interesting as well.
Harbinge, a variation on harbinger, a predictor of calamity.
Regnad, danger spelled backwards.
Optica, a variation on optical, related to the eye.
Gyneva, speller "Gyn," as in gynecologist, possibly alluding to birth or the creation of new life.
That now begs the question: We know that there were also the Crusades early on in this world’s history. The Knights Templar were a common force in the Crusade era to take back the Holy Land. The Knights Templar were accused of being Devil-worshippers or catalysts for the Illuminati, the New World Order. Since the Crusader probe was launched into space, it has become fascinated by the sights & ideas of the Iris planet. Which begs the theory AND question of, if Gyneva were part of the Illuminati as a task force to carry out the New World Order, a new world eventually controlled by the Iris planet. Like, that there was some secret government involvement in the Gemini Home Entertainment universe that we don’t know about.
Maybe it's just my interpretation, but I think Optica was founded by Iris followers (or rather, cult members) while I think Regnad has kinda fallen into insanity, a "they were so occupied with whether or not they can, that they didn't think whether they should" situation.
(Edit-) Harbinge, I think, are also benevolent, but are unaware that their products don't work, at least as well as they think it works (I say this because the iris says "the harbinger guards but in vain" or something along those lines, in the second regnad artificial intelligence video). But it might also be that they're infiltrated by Iris, as you suggest, who are making the products less effective because, of course, it helps their cause.
I also think Gyneva is a government funded organisation, similar to NAMAD, and are objectively researching the iris, which is why they have such in-depth knowledge of the interior of it. Crusader might simply be referring to a crusade _against_ the iris, instead of with it.
But that's just my ideas.
@@drohit1207i mean harbingers technologies does work and i think they're successful with their thing.
@@CloverIsLucky not really, and there's a mainly two reasons I'm saying this.
One is obviously the line from the AI video "The harbinger guides in vain"
The other is from the game, Lethal Omen. In the final cutscene in that game, a wood crawler bursts through the wall of a harbinge bunker very easily. We can say that it doesn't exactly work if wood crawlers are getting through that easily
@@drohit1207 But you see in the game even if the wood crawler destroyed the wall, the aluminium hemisphere which the harbinge technologies recommend building actually repels them) so they're actually pretty successful
This is the kind of horror we need more of: not cheap jump scares, but something that creates a deeply disturbing and unsettling atmosphere.
Halfway through the video, I thought it was an occult or religious group of people who was behind Gemini Entertainment. I thought to myself these guys are batshit crazy, and I found it very disturbing. A sigh of relief reading through the comment section finding out it's just a horror/fantasy experience made by a young guy. Well done, he definitely got me
@@MrTelorix hahaha! ARGs have a very effective way of convincing you that it's real! But that's part of the fun, keeping up the illusion that's it's real!
I'd love to know the psychology of why this stuff is so satisfying and fascinating to watch.
@@drawnwithlove3499 Similar to how the stockmarket works. trying to keep the illusion that its real. But yeah this is a real good one. i listen to it sometimes just for the mood it sets.
terrible
I know this is a horror series, but I can't help picturing a baby woodcrawler sitting on a couch, watching the Home Invasion tape and taking notes.
that’s adorable and utterly terrifying
I don't think the video was actually meant to tell the aliens how to invade, rather psychological warfare against people (which is what optica video seems to do.) In line with what the iris "said" while communicating with regand computing, these videos are planting the seeds of futility and inferiority in the heads of viewers.
@@SageSea1 Yeah, you're probably right.
4 months late, but thank you for this. It made my soon coming nightmares more tolerable.
that lil woodcrawler is a smart cookie isn't he
I have only one complaint for the whole video (because it’s fantastic) how did nexpo not pick up on the fact that in the true ending of omen, the person was transformed into a woodcrawler? We seem to sacrifice ourselves, and then afterwards we become different. We don’t have a gun, there’s strange noises, etc. We literally knock on a door, create creaking floorboards, and when we see a picture of a woodcrawler on the Tv, there’s no one in the room but us. Implying that we are the woodcrawler. I don’t think that the protagonist of the game is Jack, I think it’s someone working at the campsite (too lazy to look into all the names). Not only were we able to enter all of the cabins and employee buildings and rooms with ease, but we clearly became a woodcrawler at the end. But other than that, fantastic video
There are many things that make Gemini Home Entertainment so scary, but I think the scariest is the story implications behind it. The world is doomed, and there is absolutely no hope of stopping the Iris from consuming the earth. I think that idea of overwhelming despair, and lack of hope in a hopeless situation is terrifying.
In Harbinge Technologies we trust
The “Do not answer the knocking at the door” gives the same feeling as “Close your eyes when you are *sure* that the Man in the corner is in-fact, inches away from your face.”
Don’t creep me out like that’
💀💀💀just gave me a heart attack
What’s that from
@@nev7 Mandela Catalogue.
"Take a deep breath and relax, as you have been shot in the back of the head."
"I wonder where Nexpo's been, he's been gone a lo...." *looks at video length* "Oh. Oh wow. Oh. That's where he was!" Also kudos for covering a HELL of a series
"Babe, feature length Nexpo just dropped" I shout over my shoulder to an empty apartment.
@@KLind Empty apartment, full stadium. Yell it wherever!
On my third pass. This was so good.
@@KLind me literally to my fiancée when this uploaded
Get the Snacks, Folks. Show is starting
Remy Abode is a fantastic creator, and also a really chill guy. I spoke with them briefly about GHE when I was working on a horror-themed dnd campaign that unfortunately never got off the ground. I believe I actually spoke with Aiden Chick, the guy behind Channel 7 and Analog Archives as well! I wanted to use some of GHE’s elements, along with Channel 7 and Analog Archives, but I didn’t want to do anything without the creator’s permission. Chick and Abode were really sweet and gave me all the info I needed. It’s a shame it never worked out.
That sounds so cool! Keep all your notes and such cause maybe one day you'll be able to revisit the project.
Yeah don't give up..
You kept saying during Omen that the bunker does nothing, but like your character DOES get to leave afterwards. And you still have a gun, so I don't think you changed.
I think the radio and the aluminum dome *does* work, at least in this example.
I love that cosmic horror is getting more recognition. To consider that things we simply cannot comprehend are malicious towards us, is incredibly scary.
This is why i love Silent Hill, because it manifests your fears, and things you can’t comprehend by yourself especially when the world starts shifting.
The only thing that bothers me about the genre is it's entire point - there's nothing to be done and nothing to be learned. It's just letting your imagination run wild, which is fine, but going into a story knowing you'll go nowhere is holding the medium back alot imo. Cause the creativity it took to tell a story like this is honestly nothing short of brilliant.
@@joshshrum2764 Silent hill is Psychological horror, where the focus is on the individual and it's personal struggles. The protagonist is expected to overcome it (Good ending) or at the very least have had a chance to overcome it but failed for some reason (Sad Ending).
The genre of Cosmic/Lovecraftian horror is very different, where the focus is on the hopelessness of the situation, where the situation itself is even hard to comprehend. The protagonist has no expectation of beating the villians or understanding them, instead we follow the progression of how the protagonist handles its despair as the plot turns from dire to hopeless.
@@therealostrich836 Yearh I was never fitting everything into a few sentences describing the genre, but thanks for expanding. There's still more but we could one-up each other forever.
@@therealostrich836 oh yeah definitely! While we see it as malicious bc it ultimately brings us harm, most of the time it doesnt hate or have anything personal against us at all. We're just the means to an end, like the relationship between a host and a deadly parasite.
RIP your graphics card for having to render all these retro filters and assets.
JK, amazing job. Bought a hat.
the glorious singer himself
Hey now.
So good to know Jon Sudano is a horror connoisseur too.
@@hyde5213 youre an all star
@@omni0414
Get your game on
During the solar system video, when it's on Saturn you can see...something moving into view just before it cuts away to Uranus. It looks sort of like Uranus, but if you pause you can clearly see it's something very different and very alien. What a neat little thing to add. The "gateway" is being actively used and it was caught on camera. I love how these analog horror creators really get into world building. You can tell they have fun making sure their vision is cohesive, and for the really good ones they make sure nothing is left out that could break the illusion.
yeah i mentioned neptune photobombing mars and saturn both. no one ever seemed to care
@@xeiroe_gamingok buddy
This is one of the greatest analog horror documentaries of all time. I can only hope the future releases of Gemini are eventually covered in the same way.
"Oh yeah, and Neptune's fucking missing."
Appreciate the much needed levity as you approached the bottom of the rabbit hole, Nexpo. Thank you.
Of course neptune left, cant sit down orbiting us all day. Its gotta go and have a break at some point.
Seriously! I think I was so danm nervous throughout. His comical relief gave me life again! I rewound it a few times🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 oh man Nexpo😎😎😎
I lost it when the skinwalkers were listed as “asked to enter” like at least they have the decency to be polite
Vampire moment
Professionals have standards.
Skinwalkers are the result of a curse put upon the settlers by the Navajo. They cursed the land that had been taken from them.
@Normified
Hussah! A man of culture!
"aye big man, can i come in and take over your b- i mean uhh borrow your phone i gotta call my mom"
i know im late to the party but i do genuinely appreciate the way you write and structure these videos. The brief moments of levity and the checkpoints make it easy for me to watch and digest all the info and scary stuff. And outside of that you do a great job of building atmosphere. It's 10/10 content!
Nexpo has officially become one of my favorite content creators. I often find myself coming back to rewatch his videos. I think that says a lot about his content and presentation of said content.
During the “fake” help screams, I noted something that many aren’t touching on. Perhaps there are 2 options happening here.
1. The idea many have, Natures Mockery is forcing them to scream in order to bait other humans, or
2. Natures Mockery leaves the victim conscious, and *allows* the victim to scream, not forcing them. Perhaps the screams are not fake, but people pleading for help that won’t, or rather, can’t, come.
That would be even worse
Omg that second one is so horrifying but is a really cool theory to ponder about?! The possibility that the person is actually still alive and really is calling for help but Natures Mockery is intelligent enough to use that to its benefit.
I think people are way over thinking this name.
"Nature's Mockery" is probably just *literal* . It's a force of nature that audibly mocks humanity with itself.
Perhaps it’s why in the first video, one of them is “screaming” yet nothing comes out. Only them soundlessly crying for help, something, anything.
I was thinking this too. Later in the video I thought it could be that they are partially taken over and screaming, while their conscience is still somewhat there.
I like how he says,"Oh yeah, and Neptunes fucking missing." Like hes a disappointed parent. That line had me dying
Typical Neptune
Yo timestamp
@@EstebanGilChillington 2:08:05
@@goldeythehamster3968 thanks
"Goddammit Neptune not again"
I really miss GHE. It was my first proper analog horror experience and I'll never forget it. Solar System.
I hope he uploads again at some point.
I think he uploads a couple of times a year, so we just have to wait
New one is out
The part where Nexpo says they try to imitate life to the best of their ability gives me chills because of how much it reminded me of the movie 1987 film "The Thing".
The "bear" was a "skinwalker." Glenn accidentally broke the deal by trying to kill it.
The fact that the bear skinwalker was eyeing and scouting the boys cabin meant that the woodcrawlers were about to break the deal anyways, they won’t settle with the dwindling wildlife livestock, they want the humans.
I doubt it was an actual skinwalker, not the Native American type one. Remember in the wilderness survival guide video, with the bear suddenly sprouting woodcrawler appendages? Woodcrawlers and skinwalkers act very similarly to each other. They can both take the forms of humans and animals, so humans just call them skinwalkers because that’s the closest thing. They don’t understand that it isn’t a spirit, but an alien controlling the animals.
Anyways yes you’re right, although I believe they weren’t sacrificing animals prior to this. The lights in the Sky event was most likely a front for the mass murder of campgoers coming to the event. No wonder they didn’t want to do it anymore.
@@lion6379 I’m not sure. If the lights in the Sky event was actually a coverup for the harvest of humans, why would the Iris or statue be dissatisfied?
@@lukethelegend9705 lol did you not watch the video, I said skinwalker for the context of the story, the campers thought they were skinwalkers when in actuality they are woodcrawlers which is why I mention the woodcrawlers in the first place.
@@lukethelegend9705 the only person that knows about woodcrawlers are jack dean after the woodcrawlers slaughter the main members of the camp, at that point since jack is the only one to survive not only his sisters transformation but the invasion, he knows about the truth of the so called skinwalkers, that they’re alien.
I love how the wood crawlers are portrayed as being able to experience nervousness and stress. It makes them feel... "human". Do animals find US scary the way we find aliens scary?
Yea they do
I mean, the US is pretty scary, tho there are worse countries. Way scarier than aliens for sure.
Not in the way we find aliens scary, more in the way we find a bear scary.
@@MrShifty1 or more so in the way we generally find a predator scary
More than you can imagine.....
the scent senses of the dog can smell a human who is thinking about violence by smelling the pheromones that are emitted as the brain sends signals to the body right before the human can act.....
my comfort video, when i feel the need, i watch nexpo's gemini
Honestly, same.
I know this video is almost three hours long, but it’s such a good watch that I find myself watching it CONSTANTLY. like once a week. Nexpo did an amazing job
An interesting note is that the satellite lost its signal for 7 months and Regnad Computing was waiting for its client for 7 months.
oh my god why doesn’t this have more likes it’s completely shattering my mind
Maybe the Iris saw Crusader 5 as an attack and decided to finally come and finish the job
@@exzyyd392 What is tha-OH GOD ITS IN MY EYE!
Regnad computing... Danger Computing? interesting. a little on the nose but i didn't catch that the first time around.
That woodcrawler is a terrifying example of cardboard prop technology.
Man when my cardboard cutout of people move theyre so... stilll
@@JustLeeo_yesitsme Fake fake people. Are they real people, or peoe really good at convincing you they're fake people?
i found out through BtS that the scene is edited with masking and keyframing of IMAGES, props to remy for tricking 90% of us into thinking it was cardboard lmao
@@nuzzy9198 that's genuinely impressive lmfao
@@nuzzy9198where did you find the BtS material ? would be interested to check that out
I honestly think Nexpo is one of the best creators on youtube. His videos are unmatched in writing and quality.
This has to be my 8th time watching this video. The writing, pacing, explaining, theorizing and unsettling tone just enough to never push us away is something of an absolute masterclass in how to not be engage with and intimidate your audience.
How to not be engaged with and intimidate your audience....🤔
"Burn the dead, least they stand up again" is such a terrifying line
True
*lest
Witch hunt moment (paranoia in past europe, ireland, US, ya know. Crazy what fear will cause people to believe)
lest*
9mm kills the body, but 45acp kills the soul, you gotta make sure they don’t come back as a litch
Also, Harbinge's logo looks like a stylized American flag, flying upside down. An upside-down national flag being flown or displayed generally means "Ship in distress" or "Crew in distress, please help"
FYO this applies mostly to the USA, as a big chunk of flags are vertically symmetrical or close to it. Other methods include tying a knot in your flag, and flying other things than a flag
Finally I’m not the only one who noticed!
Bruh who doesn’t know this
Still cool though
@@aabahdjfisosososos ☹️
@@aabahdjfisosososos I didn't know that. No need to be rude
My "theory" is simply this: The person or persons who came up with that creepy story is/are incredibly, INCREDIBLY talented. I've never been so immersed in a story like this before. Things like this are what RUclips gets RIGHT. Thanks to you, Nexpo, for making some quality art :>
It feels slightly less scary watching the videos together with Ryan than watching them on my lonesome.
"oh yeah, and Neptune is fucking missing" had me cackling, such a good comedic break in the tenseness of watching these sorts of videos, can't wait to see what comes next!
edit: time stamp is 2:08:04
What is the time stamp for this one?
Edit: Found it
@@morganrunnels9113 what is it?
Neptune is not missing. Good grief.
@@Room-xi6nb it is in the story
@@Room-xi6nb are you just commenting without watching the video? and for what? to feel smart? in an analog horror video comment section? 💀💀
It's not everyday when Nexpo casually drops a feature length cinematic experience into your subscription box
You wouldn’t think a two hour video like this has such great rewatchability
But it’s so damn good
I swear it’s near obligation to watch this every few months lmao
I appreciate the deliberateness of the narration here. There seems to be a lot of thought put into when to let the videos play, when to narrate or recap the videos, and when to cut off the narration suddenly, tying perfectly into the existing jumpscare. Very effective.
It took me 3 watch throughs of this video to realise during the Christmas party Mary is yelling 'Jack, let me in' - intensely horrifying stuff!
I hate to be that guy, but when Mary attacks the cabin, she's saying "OPEN THE DOOR! NOW! LET ME IN! IT'S OUT HERE!". But yeah, you were pretty damn close.
i heard “JAAAAACK! OOOOOPEN THE DOOR! IT’S OUT HERE! LEEET ME IN!”
literally i didn’t know this until now and . AUGH. hearing it is just so. like i feel bad for her, she was already transformed when she yelled for help :(
Whats interesting to me is that Gemini's logo appears to be Neptune itself, including the spot that it beams the storms or whatever from, and Gemini as a constellation is about a pair of twins. Maybe Jack and Mary were twins instead of a couple? I dont know, but I reckon theres more to be unpacked with Gemini itself
Neptune and The Iris.
Jack and Mary have the same last name, Dean, so your hypothesis may ring true. It could either mean they're married or they're related.
@@LVD3NS who says it can't be both
Since Gemini seems to be impartial to the whole Iris thing I'm thinking maybe Neptune is sentient just like the Iris but not necessarily a force of evil, perhaps it's dissapeared to avoid being detected by the Iris and is somehow trying to spread awareness about it to earth before it's too late.
I don't think it was ever between Neptune and Pluto. This is back when Pluto was still considered a planet, yet it's never mentioned. Pluto's gone.
This and the walten files video are my absolute favorite on your channel. There is smth about both of these that is just so good, I cannot get tired of either of these videos! The content itself is also amazing, which helps a bunch!
1:59:30 The term "proboscis" usually refers to an animal's elongated sucking organ, such as a mosquito's stinger. Woodcrawler doesn't enter a human through its proboscis, we don't have one of those. Instead, the tape instructs woodcrawlers to use their proboscis to enter the human.
Look into a weird creature called a Vrill. It has a proboscis on its head that it uses to go into a human eye. Once it goes into a human eye it can take the brain over, and control the human. It sounds bizarre I know. This explains the black eye club amongst the elite.
@@Gregarius91 that was a fun rabbit hole Nazi occult conspiracies are always an interesting time
@@sophiebradshaw2896 LMAO
It's literally telling the Woodcrawler to enter via the human *nose*.
Proboscis also means a trunk or a nose.
@@sophiebradshaw2896 what????
The woodwalker that screams "HELP ME, SOMEONE HELP ME" just standing in the middle of nowhere, never fails to make me laugh.
Things to avoid:
The lunatic in the middle of nowhere shouting "HELP ME" hysterically. He does this every single day. Just ignore him.
sounds like a fun D&D encounter tbh
Seriously? I thought it was fucking terrifying. Something about the plaintiveness of the cries for help combined with the utterly bizarre and inhuman way it moved made my stomach sink, like the worst possible uncanny valley. If I followed bloodcurtling screams to their source and realized by the dude's weird behavior I was being lured into a trap, I'd be in fear for my life.
@@personwomanmancameratv5948
It is terrifying, but at the same time, funny due to it's absurdyness and randomness
@@IceFire1800 "Suddenly, as you're walking through the forest you hear a blood-curdling scream, do you follow the source of it?"
I seen a different video calling that a Skinwalker either way I believe shit like that exists deep in the woods
Something that, despite this being a year old, I feel like I just HAVE to point out is that the gemini home entertainment logo
Prominently features what I’m almost certain is Neptune
im so glad the series is getting profetional recognision, i love the style of the video the premade subtitles and even pointing out small details even if the details may be somewhat noticable pointing them out makes this feel really profetional and well made thank you Nexpo ^^
What i like the most about the Games for Kids one is that the final "FOUND YOU!" where it points at earth, it feels like the Iris is MOCKING us. It adds a whole other layer to that dread you feel when watching it. There is no fighting, and the Iris knows it. And that "FOUND YOU" is just salting our wound.
festering seepant succulence
We know how easily it can consume the planet based on seeing what it did to Neptune and the moons of Jupiter and Uranus. The Iris has probably been floating around the stars for millions of years, going through the boring routine of consuming dead planets-until it stumbles upon one with life, and thinks, "FINALLY! SOME ENTERTAINMENT!" It hasn't been able to play with its food for a very long time, so it wants to savor this opportunity.
@@SoniContinuum Humans are gonna kick its ass man. Iris doesnt stand a chance. Pretty pathetic actually.
@@xeagaort Same dude, bet I would win against the Iris in a fist fight
good, its about time humanity gets an ass whooping
I keep finding myself in this strange position where i am stupidly easy to scare, and i dont like horror in general, but at the same time i keep watching these ready to yeet my phone or headset across the room at any point.
All because of the mind-boggling levels of quality.
omg right?! i cover my eyes so many times, yet i find myself watching these videos at night
Same we all the same 😂😂😂
Literally same, I love Nexpo so much but his videos leave me awake at night 🤭
@@nk-62782 omg so true
@Meowbah what???
hey Nexpo just rewatching this and i came across the "proboscis" comment and I have a theory. maybe the "woodcrawlers" have a "proboscis" and that's how they enter prey. because if you also rewatch the wilderness survival guide the bear mutates and has a appendage that could be their proboscis. just a thought =D love the content
This is my favourite dive/recap of this sort of spooky content ive rewatched it so many times, the genuine sense of horror those humanlike screams of panic give me is impeccable 👍
I'd like to point out that the Iris is so massive that one of it's moons, has a moon of it's own. Which is a scale that is honestly kinda terrifying.
where is this iris?
@@jcresmond1653 where it wants to be
@@jcresmond1653 in your house
Are you thinking of Eris? A dwarf body out near/in the kuiper belt i think. Real thing
@@theresakulpa3004 Have you, like... watched the video?
There's one thing about tape 10 I think you've missed, and it really changes how one interprets it. I agree that the makers of tape 10 are definitely ill-intended, but I think they're addressing themselves not to remaining humans with the goal of leading them to their demise, but with the goal of helping fake people perform their function.
Let me explain:
Game 1 teaches you how to find a human -- we're shown not how to "hide", but how to "seek", quite literally on the image.
Game 2 teaches you how to run after a human and "tag" (i.e. "contaminate") them.
Game 3 is the one where one person is hiding and the others are the seekers, which, in the case of fake people invading a home, would be exactly how things go -- humans are found one after the other until only 1 remains. And then "The game ends when everybody is hiding!" the video says -- that is, when every fake person has taken over and "hidden" into a human body.
Game 4 advises to do exactly what we know fake people to do -- go out into the woods and scream at the top of their lungs, thus luring other humans to their location so they can feed "the woods" (aka the woodcrawlers lurking in the forest).
Not forgetting the last element of the clip: when there's a planet Earth seen from space, red arrow pointing to it, and the text flashing saying "Found you!". To me, it seems to imply that those who are meant to "find" and "tag" have been, since the beginning of the tape, people on the side of the Iris, not humans.
That really does change things
u smart as hell
that’s awesome
Awesome point!!
Great writeup, that's super sharp
two years later and this is still one of the best youtube breakdowns ever! Absolute stunning quality with informative to the point commentary without seeminging repetitive and boring. Also your voice is very relaxing to listen to. Glad i can hear the words "Neptune is fucking missing" from you
It blows my mind that someone can come up with this and make all of this. It’s so well done and so thorough.
Fun Fact: It's heavily implied in the True Ending of Lethal Omen, you become a Woodcrawler. When you approach the cabin after the ritual, you knock on the door, and in the third shot of the TV, you see the Woodcrawler's spider legs standing where you are; in a wooden room with two symmetrically aligned couches
also during the true ending after the game over u make very little footstep noise, like mentioned in the first vhs
I thought this too! I love this ending instead!
another thing to note: in the mannequin ending, the mannequins look like what woodcrawlers see people as (home invasion help)
Also there was no sound of footsteps
Was that really something that a lot of people didn't pick up on? I guess, thinking about it, Nexpo never remarked on it, so maybe it's not as obvious as I thought it was. Seemed pretty cut and dry to me
If Lethal Omen was a genuine game, I can't imagine how terrifying that would be.
Edit: *_Oh_*
Oh indeed
Reading this was like reading a whole other horror story on it's own
@@drawnwithlove3499 fr
What an appropriate nickname
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Gotta applaud that dedication
I was watching this when I got news from my mechanic that my car's entire engine will need replacing.
I'm not sure which disturbs me the most.
best analog horror series ever! thank you for introducing this unnerving experience, Nexpo!
These topics have been amazing recently. I had no idea this whole genre of Analog Horror existed.
oh hello chill fuel!
Yo, Chill Fuel! If you haven't already, go give ALEXKANSAS a watch. His channel is far and away my favorite analog horror channel yet.
It’s become bigger lately, I’ve been finding games in the genre all over now. Chillas art has a few and there’s a guy who made a game called murderhouse I think? On steam and many others. Alpha beta gamer covers a lot of them.
Can someone explain what analog horror is
@@thebrainwash it is a type of horror that depends on shock value and low quality video along with vhs/ analog tv effects to make it seem scarier.
It's so refreshing to experience a horror series that treats It's audience as intelligent individuals.
It doesn't over-explain, it doesn't have flashy displays, even though it's still visually impressive, and on top of that is really well told.
Now I just wish I could put all the pieces together.
@@potatoeskimos I don't think it's complicated. The story itself, while being sprinkled out throughout these uploads, is told clearly. There are the community posts, where some decently important information is, but with the audience of Gemini consisting of people who are used to way more hidden information in much more unlikely places in other horror series, it isn't that bad. The story itself isn't complicated either. There's a big space eye. It put spooky guys and plants and disease on planet. Takes over planet. Of course, maybe the way it's told isn't clear enough. If you want to get really specific, you have to dig deeper. But, again, you don't have to dig deep. The only time the series goes off youtube is with the video game, and the secrets there only referenced future uploads, so if you didn't play the game, you still got the info later on. I don't think it's trying "so hard" to be subtle. Especially about the woodcrawlers. They made it pretty clear where they came from (space) and what their goals are (to take over humanity.) enjoy the paragraph
Ooh, that home invasion help one is genuinely one of the most instresting videos in this universe to me. The way its toned as if to help prevent home invasion and then suddenly providing the monster with help invading homes, genuinely a cool twist and a fun concept.
I put this video at least once a month or every three months, even if it's more than 2 hours long the subject is just so perfectly explained and creepy at the same time ! Wonderful work dude ♥
Interesting detail (coincidence?):
In wilderness survival guide, Jack used a bear to represent what to do when encountering a disguised Woodcrawler.
Perhaps he saw the sacrificial bear turning into the abomination that absorbed his wife.
I assumed the chain of events was thus:
At the time of the Christmas party, Glenn and co attempt to shoot the bear.
The bear is actually a "woodcrawler".
So far, we have not seen any attempt by armed forces to combat the threat directly.
It is entirely possible that the organizm can alter it's form to defend itself.
The "woodcrawler" goes into a more aggressive form and murders the entire camp.
It then takes all the bodies and converts them into "biomass" to be added to the growing network of Iris "stuff" growing under Earth's surface.
I was under the impression that the bear sacrifice happened in the 40s, and Jack's story took place in the 80s
@@monsieurlaguillotine3481 Jack has been using his media to tell people what has been going on. Following this theme, it seems likely Jack knows what happened at the camp and is cluing us in.
im just now realizing that not everyone thought of mary as his sister
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the most effective moments for me are the candid shots of woodcrawlers "practicing" their behaviour. the clip of one just standing motionless while screaming for help so emphatically really strikes something visceral deep down
I was born blind, the idea of someone yelling for help whilst being completely still scares the shit out of me because I can't actually imagine it. Does anyone know if the sounds were added in or if the actor had to yell with no facial expression and no moving at all?
@@bradleybrown8428 The footage of the woodcrawler yelling for help is captured at night and you can’t see his face that well. So there’d be no reason to worry about what his face looked like for the actor. Theoretically however I’d assume that’s how it would look, the woodcrawler would have a straight calm face but be screaming bloody murder. The woodcrawler also does an occasionally twitch and doesn’t walk like a normal human and instead kind of hobbles like a zombie.
@@bradleybrown8428 wait, how did you write this comment then? And how did you read what the guy posted?
@@polkanietzsche5016 There's assistive technology for blind people to be able to read/communicate online
@@mandelbrotfox6861 Amazing, I knew that there were such technology but I didn't know it was that advanced.
Overall, I feel like Gemini Home Entertainment is pretty on the nose and heavy handed with its horror, but at the same time it does have some pretty cool elements.
extremely heavy handed hahaha when it showed a woodcrawler at the bottom of the trench and the planet shit i’m like ok this is silly horror territory.
cool and entertaining nonetheless and like you said, interesting ideas!