VW ID.3 "D" Mode with Eco Assistance turned off.
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2020
- Volkswagen has sold more ID.3 1st in Norway this year than Tesla has sold Model 3s! WTF! Check the figures here:
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Marcus explains what happens to "D" mode in the VW ID3 when Eco Assistance is turned off.
Marcus's other videos about "D" mode and "B" mode in the VW ID.3 can be viewed here:
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Good info Marcus. Nobody else told me about the importance of Eco Assistance.
I only found out about it by talking to people on here.
Looking forward to receive our ID.4 in january!!
It will be fantastic 👍
Thanks Marcus. Good to see that disabling Eco Assist keeps that setting until it's enabled again. That means that the driver can themselves be in control of what happens when approaching a roundabout, junction, or change in speed limit rather than the car. Which is important to me - and quite a lot of other potential buyers.
It was hard to see from the video but I presume that when you pressed the brake pedal after testing the coasting as far as possible then that brake action used regen and not the friction brakes. I couldn't see from the dash display whether the green was showing when braking to signal regen operating. I would be surprised if it didn't regen.
Another thing is that in my old Leaf the modes D and B operated much like the ID.3 without Eco Assist engaged. It was easy when approaching any obstacle ahead to slip into B to use regen to slow down,. That gave the same effect but with the driver being in control rather than the car.
But it's good to see that all options are available and I can now put the car back on my list of possibles for the next change. Thanks again for taking the trouble to demonstrate that to me. The local dealer was typically clueless about this entire subject.
Yes, when you press the brake pedal it uses regen. You must press the pedal extremely hard for it to use the friction brakes, as in emergency stopping.
There are some rare circumstances where regen may not work according to the manual for example when the battery is fully charged or when the road surface is bad.
You should put the ID.3 near the top of your list, the car is fantastic and RWD is a pleasure.
@@marcusevjourney566 - Thanks. That's fine then because I can brake when I want and achieve the same result as the Eco Assist. In my old Leaf 24, I used to switch to B to slow down in approach situations. In an ID.3 that can be used too. In the ioniq I can use the flappy paddles.
Hi Marcus, I very much enjoyed your video of the day you received your id3. I watched more of your content since then and I’m delighted that your enjoying your VW Id3 so much. I then arranged back to back test drives of the Tesla Model 3 LR and a VW Id3 First Edition UK and was very surprised by my post drive impressions and thoughts. I have driven EV’s since 2013 and have had all configurations of Nissan Leaf, followed by a Hyundai Kona 64 and currently drive a Kia E-Niro 64kw first edition. The Tesla is undoubtedly at the cutting edge of what’s available, performance, range, GUI and infotainment, sentry mode over the air updates etc are all class leading. But I found the firm ride quite unsettling on the mostly rural roads compared to my Eniro and the VW. By contrast, the VW, driven over the same roads was a much more comfortable, relaxed and quieter experience. The VW was a very relaxed and comfortable place to be. The drive very intuitive and performance more than adequate. It’s very clear than the infotainment system is a work in progress with some features either omitted or not working at all, I found the mapping very basic and used waze through my phone out of pure frustration. Although the boot spaces are similar in size, I feel that the hatch back would be far more practical than the saloon as a family work horse vehicle. Kids bikes, kit and caboodle are much easier to load in the VW’s hatchback for sure. One thing I found odd was vw’s lack of lumbar support adjustment, on a £38k car a strange coat cutting measure?
VW have now a modern roomy car that can go over 200 miles per charge. It’s easy to drive, relaxing, comfortable and just does the job. It should be well built with good dealer back up, although the MEB platform is as yet unproven and the user interface/ infotainment is clearly still unfinished. That said, it’s a different car altogether than the Model 3, with the vehicle buying trends favouring hatchbacks and cross over vehicles it will be very interesting to see the sales figures across Europe when Tesla starts selling German built Model Y’s built in Berlin. Tesla won’t need to pay import tariffs or high transport costs and with all the innovations announced on battery day and potential improvements brought by a German work force I think the future will be interesting in the EV world. I fully expect VAG to sell lots of their new EV’s, let’s hope all manufacturers can transition to EV cars, it can only benefit us all in terms of reduced pollution and improved air quality.
Thank you for the excellent post, so it is just not the 1st base without lumber support it is also the 1st plus 🤔. There are some cost cutting things on my car that I am not happy about and I will do a video about it, it is a shame that VW has made some decisions particularly as you said my car was just under 40k €. I hope that Tesla with Berlin and the new battery announcements do bring out an improved M3 and M Y that is a big leap forward in technology and cost.
@@marcusevjourney566 I really think that the M3 and ID3 are after two completely markets. Lots of UK folk think the ID3 is far too expensive for what it is. I’d have been happier with it if it had a lumbar adjustment, although the sales man said the top spec version has 12 was adjustable electric massaging seats!? I was honestly shocked at how quiet, relaxed and easy to drive the ID was. I would like the 77kw version with 5 seats, but the sales guy said it only has 4 seats due to weight constrictions. Never the less the id3 isn’t just a good EV it’s a good car. Roll on the I’d 4 and Tesla Model Y. Wishing you health to enjoy your new whip!
@@batandball617 The ID.3 Max was 12,000 Euros more expensive than my ID.3 1st, for what is essential the same car. I understand why people think it is too expensive, but I do not think there is currently an EV that can beat it on price/value. EVs are unfortunetely expensive. The ID.3 is an amazing car, with some niggles, for me I do not believe there is currently a better EV available. Charging and driving are a dream in the ID.3. Thank you.
Thank you for your review it was very helpful. When you bought your ID.3 was eco assistant on as default?
Marcus have made any video about charging efficiency and have you ever had range anxiety in the id3
I will do a video about that soon hopefully.
Great as always Marcus. Do you think the ID.4 has the same set up? And the Skoda Enyaq aswell??
Yes, I think the ID.4 setup will be indentical. The Enyaq might be slightly different but it should share most of the software, probably with a different skin on info screen.
@@marcusevjourney566 tnx Marcus
Great videos, Marcus! Very much information ... but I think there are too many settings here. A general driver just wants to drive without thinking about dozens of settings and their dependencies.
You can just get in the car and ignore the settings, and it will work fine. The settings are only there for people who want to change the defaults.
Ha ha, when I collected my new ID.3 from the dealer three weeks ago, the first thing I did was turn Eco Assist and Lane Assist off, because I didn't want the car trying to drive itself for me in any way whatsoever while I was getting used to owning and driving it. However I then forgot that I had turned Eco Assist off and didn't remember that I had done so until I watched this video today!! So, now I understand why my car has been doing nothing "smart" with regen at all when in D mode!!! Needless to say I'm now looking forward to taking the car out again to try out smart regen in D mode!
Smart regen is great, I do not feel the car is driving for me. Tell me what you think once you have tried it.
Does it regen when you hit the brake pedal, or does it use only the mechanical brakes in this mode ?
Really good video !! Keep it up with that stuff !
Thank you, I will try my best.
Great work Marcus. Regards from Sweden
I am amazed that the KIA has not sold more, the warranty, equipment, and the range are unbeatable for the cost, maybe its because they are such a horrible looking car.
I think Kia could have sold more buy have been limited by supplies.
@@marcusevjourney566 I agree but they are still a marmite love or hate design
Well done Marcus.. You da man!
Thanks for you insights. Can you investigate how well the blending of regen and friction breaking works? What is the max g forces that regen can generate, and is it independent or dependent on the current speed? Also is regen always generating up to 100kw until friction breaks are applied or how does it change with SOC?
I would not know how to answer this question. I guess the battery management system is complex and only digging into the software would give you all the details you require.
id.3 in Norway were prebuild cars from last 10 months ... and they will go back in Norway.
Production volume is sold out and is lower than the last month deliveries of VW in Norway.
etron is a different story driven by low lease rates.
Tesla is not over peek in europe cause the model y will come from Berlin soon in high volumes. Buying an american model 3 or getting a model y made in Germany with a german paintshop make buyers hesitate ... where leasers has to continue getting a car while owners drive the old one 1 year longer.
Tesla is by far the biggest challengers - even though we sold our model due to missing reliability and 200 km to tesla service center. The purchase experience is a nightmare with both vw and tesla. Dealers are dying until most small are dead or bought by VW.
There is a lot more going in the background like end of dealer rebates and battles by the dealer as agency.
Purchased 3 cars from VW last 9 months and all ev and alla nightmare. Last week got a confirmation but price is now 128€ more expensive even though contract is just 2 months old ... and dealer can't really explain that again as in the last case, an e-golf in june.
Finally 2 months later we got the bill matching contract figures but lot of work.
I think Tesla will increase sales in Europe however I just think the VW group will sell more EVs in Europe than Tesla going forward. I am sorry to hear about all you problems with VW EVs, I hope VW sort it out quickly.
@@marcusevjourney566 No chance Tesla can keep up with VW Group sale......
@@jonpetter8921 Samsung has been better than iphones for ages, yet iphone always reigned and still today are close. american brands know very well people don t buy rationally
Thx Marcus. Nice to see the driver has the option depending on his/her preference for regen in D mode 👍🏻
It'll be interesting to see if your EV sales hypothesis for Europa pans out. EV sales growth overall can only be a good thing.
I think Europe will go fully EV quicker than people think. EVs are so much better than ICE vehicles and now there are lots of good EVs on the market.
My local dealer cant belive he is almost sold out, The notion from buyers here are that Tesla stays in a repair shop to mutch. Yes Tesla got the best battery.. But VW have built car's far far longer. Like Audi and BMW to.
Edit: Will add that weather resistant car's are valued and a big factor to popularity . Reliability is importent.
Perhaps dealers are so surprised that EVs sell so well 🤣
@@marcusevjourney566 Yepp, They are not in to EV's .. And yet its there most sold Golf in a long time hehe. Say hello to the future!
@@Grimfanden Golfs will sell less and less my dealer told me that the ID.3 drives like the Golf GTI, she was surprised. 😂
Hey Marcus, I live in Algarve and I am about to swop my VW Golf for an ID3 first plus from the VW dealer in Algarve (I. Won’t say which one) Did you manage to negotiate a deal on the list price of your ID3? Dave
No, I paid list price.
Thanks Marcus. Very good to know. I was out in a small trip today and did some fast charging. Very nice. Yes your car looks beautiful as you say.
just a note. the car will do always regen if you press brake ?
Yes.
Like most every EV other than Tesla who does not seem to know how to do blended braking and claims it's not needed. Much like the heat pump until the Model Y came out. 😉
VW might be better to separate out Regen as a distinct screen and let people configure what they want from it.
Most things on the ID.3 are well designed on the info screen such as navigation, however the whole vehicle screen is a mess. The trip is confussing, no indication of kw when charging. No indication how much energy air conditioning and heating is using. The whole vehicle screen needs a rewrite in my opinion.
Hi. I see a potentially expensive brake service and a bit shorter tire life due to your aversion of the regeneration feature on the ID3. It’s your car so drive it as you prefer. I know of an Audi driver that years ago preferred spirited driving and at about 20,000 miles needed brake pads and rotors and new tires. I believe the brake bill was close to $800 USD, do not recall the tire cost. Enjoy.
In the ID.3 when you press the brake it uses regeneration. You have to press it very hard for it to use the brake pads. I guess there will be no extra wear on the brake pads with B mode vs D mode. In my ICE car I did not need to change the brake pads after 120,000 kms, so I guess I am a careful driver. I was just having a bit of fun here, but driving with in speed limits and carefully. I am slightly more worried about tire wear on the ID.3 just because the car is so heavy and has quick acceleration, I will have to wait and see. However whenever I look at Tesla tires they often seem worn/bald 🤣
Eco drivers dont want eco assistance or need it. Its more efficient to coast and it uses regen only when you need to press brake to slow down.
Tesla has sold very well in the past but that was due to lack of competition and high incentives. But it is an American car and American cars have never sold well in Europe, an American brand (like Ford) can sell well but only with models aimed at the European market, not with US models. I totally agree Volkswagen will be #1 in Europe with EV, great product line and brand loyal customers.
To be fair we have to admit that VW did not "sell more ID3 in six weeks than Tesla in a whole year". This is the first batch of ID.3 that are hitting the road and people have ordered them months ago and have been waiting for the oder books to open for even longer. It will be much more interesting to see how sales develops once this "pre-booker" queue is empty. Nevertheless - I fully agree with the rest of your thoughs and have always been telling people that ID.3 will sell better in many markets than Model 3. Some (not all) Tesla fans are just too focused on Tesla to see the writings on the wall.
Tesla has too many toxic fans, they are doing more harm than good in promoting electrification.
@@scratchy996 Yes but I believe they are a minority, just a very loud one. Most Tesla fans are happy about other EVs being sucessfull I think.
@@EinzigfreierName Just look at any forum where people are discussing electric cars, Tesla fanbois are just disgusting.
@@scratchy996 Yes, I just don't want to believe it's all of them.
Name just one market where VW will sell better than Tesla overall? Just one. Model 3 is the best selling car in Switzerland, car not EV, Netherlands also almost. Germany they are doing very well even though Germany is Anti-Tesla and they have the ZOE for almost free. Once the Model Y is out the e-tron will be dead and now with improved upgrades from Model 3 and lower price than ID3 I think Norway will pick up again. The problem in Norway is the lack of heat pump and the service centers. Once more people start moving around they will notice that the charging network in Norway is lacking for non tesla cars. I don't think VW can even make a dent on the sales if Tesla is selling 300-400,000 cars in Europe by 2022
Aren't Tesla fan boys waithing for model Y?
We are all waiting for the Model Y in Europe 🤣 We will see the ID.4 in Europe first.
I would leave that eco assistance on permanently. By far the best way of driving for efficiency and for safety.
I have it turned on permanently, it is wonderful.
video evidence as to why you were late yesterday.
Polestar 2 outselled the tesla model 3 last month or so! So what???? Put chargers in Portugal and people will buy more EV's ..first infrastuctures please! PS: The confort seams to be excelent the car doesn't seem to bother with bumps , etc..!
I have not had any issues with the charging network in Portugal so far, and 50 kw chargers for the ID.3 means I have never charged for more than 20 mins. I think however we do need more, but they are coming.
@@marcusevjourney566 Yeah, try doing an Europe trip in that ID3 from Portugal or drive more than 400km, let's talk then:)
@@marcusbiller867 Yes, I will do. I will do a video about it, something for you to look forward to :-)
Tesla sold 5500 Model 3s in the first month in Norway it took ID3 two months to reach half. No matter how you turn it there are 20,000+ Model 3s in Norway vs 3000 ID3s and now that a LR Model 3 is cheaper than Mid range ID3 it will be even harder for VW. As for e-tron after initial pre-orders are served the demand is almost down. Let's talk in Summer 2021:) You people are pathetic at twisting numbers;)
I only reported the facts from September and October sales. You are not surprised that the eTron has sold almost double the amount of cars than the Tesla Model 3 in Norway this year? I am 👍 I would buy a Model 3 LR over an eTron any day.
@@marcusevjourney566 Sure you would...The e-tron is a whole different car, comparable only to Model Y. You just have no idea about cars.
@@marcusbiller867 Currently you cannot buy the Model Y in Europe, the ID.4 will be out shortly. I would buy a Model 3 over an eTron because I do not like SUVs and because the eTron is so inefficient. The eTron would be a nightmare in Portugal on our 50kw charging network.
@@marcusevjourney566 I am pretty sure that by the time the ID4 is out Giga Berlin will be outputting 7000 cars a week. They are installing machines already. I really don't think VW has even the capacity to build that many cars as Tesla, nor do they want to build them yet. Once the preorders die down, the sales will be back to where the e-tron is, 5-6th place. And when you compare e-tron you have to compare first year of market entry, not 1st vs 2nd where the market is satisfied more or less. Plus Norway is almost full on EVs as it is, that is no longer the market to look at - Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany, France, Austria, Italy- those are the biggest car markets in Europe and Tesla is leading there.
is this a Tesla hater channel? why not just be glad that everybody i selling more EV.
Tbf I personally am an Elon Musk hater. Because he is part of an American right wing nationalist movement which has done tremendous damage to environmental controls. I would never consider a Tesla because of him.
@Christian Hansen, that’s what he said, that he’s glad about any EV sold as it gets ICE cars off the road.
@@AlanTov wow so much hate in your heart.
@@xfilesdk he is correct though. The American Right, which Musk gives succour, has pulled out of the Paris accord, thrown out green regulation and lead world climate change deniers. You cant ignore Musk's role in promoting them.
No I am not a Tesla hater, every Tesla sold is an ICE car taken off our roads. I do want to stop the narrative that Teslas are the only good EVs because it is not true and it stops people looking at other EV alternatives and going for petrol instead. I just reported some EV news, so it is notmy fault is the ID.3 and eTron are selling better in Norway.