I agree, the video maker also ignores the game these two teams played at AO where there were many non-calls that restricted the Pies to only win by 1 point. E.g. Johnson's high contact in the forward goal square and clear front on high contact on Murphy, these occurred in the 4th quarter.
@@darrenmiles-morland8038 we deserved to lose those games, just like Geelong have also lost finals lol. In those games the win wasn’t robbed from us by terrible umpiring which was the whole point of this video so whatever point you’re trying to make is irrelevant
Eh, it was easy to miss the high on Dawson. Most folks weren't aware of it until seeing the slo-mo replay. As a Pies fan, I'll take it after the umpiring we copped in the last Crows game over in Adelaide.
I was at the Richmond Hawthorn game yesterday, as a neutral. They missed pushes and blocks in marking contests all day and the 4th field umpire generally sat away from play officiating grass. Australian football is the only code of footy where there are no sideline officials who can assist the main umpire/s. Go back to 2 umpires and allow boundary umpires able to make calls missed by the central umpires.
One that everyone seems to have forgotten but will always plague me is the elimination final at Adelaide Oval between Port Adelaide and West Coast in 2017 I’m pretty sure. Shuey lifted his arm, clearly not a high tackle but still paid and West Coast won because of the unfair kick after the siren. Affected the finals (port would’ve been knocked out in semis anyway but either way)
1979 , not 1 umpire heard the Siren , but the commentary team did !! but then the # 1 ticket holder that year WAS the Victorian Chief of Police so ….. 😅
Another point that the timekeepers fail on is the start of the quarters. It is the bouncing of the ball in the centre circle that starts the time, not the blowing of the whistle prior to the bounce. One of the Crow's 1990's grand finals is a classic example of this failure by the timekeepers.
There are bigger deal free kicks throw vs handball is often not seen many times a game youd only ever see it in slow mo most of the time clobbering someone is a lil different
Strange how no-one ever mentions the Sharod Wellingham "goal" in the 2011 Grand Final that hit the post and was the one that lead to review being instigated by the league
I thought it was the one that thwacked into the goal post that was awarded to Hawkins… Where the conversation started was Libba’s non goal in the 1997 prelim. I was right behind the goal, neutral observer, it was a goal.
How must St Kilda feel with all these goal reviews and they lost a flag when Hawkins hit the post and was given a goal a few years before they employed the tech. ps: Grub Hawkins celebrating that point to convince the goal umpire when he knew it was a point was pathetic.
Its the cheap free kicks that piss me off the most.. A player gets literally touched a little high resulting in a free kick, while rough conduct goes unnoticed. . The 50 metre penalty is another
you missed a 2005 incident the afl admited was a mistake when dean solomon's shot on goal for essendon touched by hawthorns jonhathan hay was called a goal giving essendon a two point win instead of a 3 point win to hawthorn.
Opened this video to make sure you included that Lions game and was happy to see it was the very first example 🫡 as a Lions fan who lives in Geelong I felt gaslit by my entire town after that fucking game
The first one, Zorko brings down Atkins without the ball, both arms around the waist tackling to the ground. Geelong should have won by an extra point.
St Kilda never had a chance to win 09, even if Hawkins goal was called a point, Geelong still win by 7. In 2010 though St Kilda got kissed on the knob by the umpires against Geelong when the umpires called Cam Mooneys fair tackle a push in the back when it should have been a free kick awarded to Cam.
I will never forget the umpires handing Adelaide the game against Fitzroy in 91 with rubbish free kick after rubbish free kick in the last 2 minutes of the game. Watch here ruclips.net/video/WTc_Qbgbvwk/видео.html
Could have had a whole video on Sydney at the SCG including kicking the ball out of bounds after the siren against Richmond, the ball travelling over 15 but play on against cats and Rampe climbing the goal post against Essendon.
Is this the same side that constantly sits the the bottom three for free kick differential? With incident after the siren the kick away is paid as 50 for time wasting. How can it be time wasting if the siren has sounded?
The afl is so far behind with lack of in game reviews. I get ones in free flowing play cant be changed but the first two its pretty easy to overturn, just another way the afl is behind similar to their score review cameras being 480p at 10fps lol
Billion dollar industry and they can't even afford proper cameras, i seen a behind called when the tape around the goal posts weren't stuck on properly, the game is a laughing stock.
@@BillyBowlster bruh they could just strap samsung phones to the posts they have like 480fps slowmo modes, fully dont understand why its so hard for them to upgrade
I think it might have been Round 8 in 1968...Richmond Vs Hawthorn at the MCG. When the siren sounded all scoreboards showed that the game was a draw 11.14 80 a piece. However , the goal umpires conferred in the centre of the ground and it was relayed to the main scoreboard attendant that Richmond's score was in fact 11.15 81. So Richmond won by a point. I was there as a boy and we were all disheartened that the game ended in a draw, but then elated approx. 5 minutes after the siren had sounded, when we found out The Tigers had won by a point.
The Hawkins goal in the 2009 grand final was countered by the double goal St.Kilda got down the other end ten minutes later. Even then, if the goal was counted as a point, Geelong still would've been a point up when the final siren went.
No. If that goal was really a point, Geelong would have had to kick the ball back into play from the goal posts as opposed to it being brought back to the centre. Who's to know how the game would have flowed for the rest of that quarter and the game if it was a kick-in?
I love people crying about the high hit not called for a pies win, as if the worst umpiring on planet earth still didn't get Adelaide over the line earlier in the season. What goes around comes around, the only difference is the pies win anyway 😅
Where is the 2018 grand final when Maynard was held? They legit admitted he was held and should have got the free kick, also round 7 against crows had much worst umpiring that almost cost the game
It wouldn't have mattered if Rooke hadn't kicked that goal after the siren. If a point had been awarded instead of a goal after Hawkin's hitting the post, Geelong would have won by 1 point. It's really just simple mathematics.
To be honest umpiring has gotten so bad these days that it may as well be at the point that every game is going to have one. Other calls I reckon should have been included was the block in the 2018 grand final when Dom Sheed marked the ball and also Dane Rampe deliberately climbing and shaking the post as well as the 2019 ANZAC day game
No not biased. Eddie Macguire said the Hawks were crucified by the umpires. I still distinctly remember him saying that on the Footy Show. Furthermore, one of the umpires Darren Goldspink was relegated to emergency umpire on GF day as "punishment". I was there that day. Disgraceful umpiring it was.
I’m no expert by any means, but isn’t the fist case “incorrect disposal”? It looks like the long hair dude throws or drops the ball just before the lions tackle.
@@Reginaldinho712 Is Holding the ball the same as incorrect disposal? I thought they were separate, holding the ball is getting tackled without disposal, while Incorrect disposal is a throw or just letting the ball go. The head of umpiring said holding the ball, - just trying to get the penalty straight.
There are still people to this day claiming the ball deflected off Spargo. Literal slow motion footage confirms it didn't touch a Melbourne player and so did umpires when they admitted error
Have a cry why don't you? If you can do better, do it. Or accept that humans are fallable, and for every decision that went against a team, there'll be an equally bewildering decision that benefited them. Get over it
Dawsons no call was karma for rd7 Murphy was hit in the face which caused blood and a concussion no free kick Johnson had his head just about ripped off also a none free kick
Mate how on earth can you describe Daniher's mark in the opening game an 'unbelievable pack mark' ? You need to watch more footy or stop overstating standard marks in footy. Or perhaps believe more things. lol.
Wow mate, I guess I’m just more of a skeptic than you are perhaps. Or maybe perhaps when close games come down to the last minute you’d consider a pack mark with 3 opposition players around you to be somewhat ‘unbelievable’. Anyway, it’s just an adjective mate, don’t get too hung up on a single word some guy uses on a RUclips video. Cheers for the engagement 😂 and keep on giggling.
In the 2009 GF, don't forget that Geelong won by 12 points, and that StK got a dodgy free in front of goal without the ball going back to the centre just before half-time, which was complete BS. So the Hawkins goal had no effect on the result
Funny how you missed the first final last year when Lynch kicked a goal in the last couple of minutes that was overturned. If the umpire "thinks it's a goal" then there must be positive evidence that it wasn't for the decision to be overturned. There was no evidence whatsoever.
@@McZoltanOnline cuz I am biased and wanted them to win but also that goal being a behind could have changed how both teams played and changed the score
@@McZoltanOnline But you could argue since it was early a lot could have changed if that was a behind and could have heavily affected a lot of the game
@@Toastroony definitely and that’s the same point I made. Anything could have happened, which is why I wanted you to elaborate on your initial comment that the Saints should have won the GF.
Geelong get every important decision their way, its fucking disgusting,,,,,last night the balll was out on the full by a meter kicked by a Geelong player and mark by another and yet the mark was paid. I hate Geelong for this FACT, they are favoured severely by the umpires at the right time....usually in their forward pocket.
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The siren gate incident was literally ‘the bell doesn’t dismiss you, I do’
Somehow didn’t end up making a difference tho
Fax
Ikr. Even as a saints fan that’s hilariously bad
LMAO its also like could you please repeat that
Anyone here after Ben Keays goal was counted as a point.
To be fair on the umps, as a crows fan, i didnt know that Dawson had been taken high until i saw the replay of it. it happened really fast.
Pretty obvious to me (neutral supporter) and the fact there’s four umpires and not one saw it happen is pretty terrible of you ask me
I agree, the video maker also ignores the game these two teams played at AO where there were many non-calls that restricted the Pies to only win by 1 point. E.g. Johnson's high contact in the forward goal square and clear front on high contact on Murphy, these occurred in the 4th quarter.
@@itsWAHOO2012 true, one of them should've definitely seen it.i suppose i might have missed it because i was so stressed out.
Same with me but when I found out I was outraged
@@rangatank93but dud you read the bit about when it cost them the game ? Last I saw Collingwood won horrendous umpiring aside 😊
That Zac Bailey call will live rent free in my head forever
Still makes my blood boil. Luckily we pumped them later on that year
@@thetravellershub Have you forgotten the results from the 2020 and the 2022 Preliminary Finals when the stakes were at their highest?
Zorko brings down Atkins without the ball, both arms around the waist tackling to the ground.
Geelong should have won by an extra point.
@@tr1p1eathe head of umpiring literally said that Bailey should have received the free kick. You're clearly clueless.
@@darrenmiles-morland8038 we deserved to lose those games, just like Geelong have also lost finals lol. In those games the win wasn’t robbed from us by terrible umpiring which was the whole point of this video so whatever point you’re trying to make is irrelevant
Eh, it was easy to miss the high on Dawson. Most folks weren't aware of it until seeing the slo-mo replay. As a Pies fan, I'll take it after the umpiring we copped in the last Crows game over in Adelaide.
30 Seconds earlier a head high on Markov was missed... pay that free and the ball would never have gone back to the crows forward line
The Sirengate example was shocking onfield umpiring, but it was later corrected and didn't cost anyone anything. Still glad you included it.
It was too interesting not to include imo
anyone here after the Fremantle vs Carlton game? Unbelievable.
Only 9 minutes? This video could have easily gone for a few hours.
i'm still baffled that bringing in more field umpires for more eyes on the play, yet they still claim having a "restricted view"
I was at the Richmond Hawthorn game yesterday, as a neutral. They missed pushes and blocks in marking contests all day and the 4th field umpire generally sat away from play officiating grass.
Australian football is the only code of footy where there are no sideline officials who can assist the main umpire/s.
Go back to 2 umpires and allow boundary umpires able to make calls missed by the central umpires.
One that everyone seems to have forgotten but will always plague me is the elimination final at Adelaide Oval between Port Adelaide and West Coast in 2017 I’m pretty sure. Shuey lifted his arm, clearly not a high tackle but still paid and West Coast won because of the unfair kick after the siren. Affected the finals (port would’ve been knocked out in semis anyway but either way)
Yeah, I remembered that. BS free kick after the siren to West Coast. Happily, they got thrashed the week after by GWS.
1979 , not 1 umpire heard the Siren , but the commentary team did !! but then the # 1 ticket holder that year WAS the Victorian Chief of Police so ….. 😅
Without watching, this should be the highlights of Matthews Nichols
One decision doesn't make or break a game - it's just the timing that makes you think of it.
exactlyyy like when there's a 'game winning goal' at full time but all the goals scored before are also the game winning goal.
Really solid breakdown of the ‘siren’ inciden. Well done.
Surely now with ear pieces, the umpires will NEVER miss a final siren again!!!
Missed out on the 2002 Grand final, where they called Anthony Rocca's goal a point. They changed the goal posts because of it.
It was a goal any day of the week
@@thetarotboganI bet you say Maynard was blocked too
@@Podgorski37I mean that’s not really a good comeback… he literally was blocked
@jdyce1998 no, he wasnt. This has been confirmed time and time again and only salty Lollingwood fans believe this
@@Podgorski37 lol ‘this has been confirmed’. Watch the footage mate. You are a joke.
Love your videos mate !
Appreciate the support Aaron!
Another point that the timekeepers fail on is the start of the quarters. It is the bouncing of the ball in the centre circle that starts the time, not the blowing of the whistle prior to the bounce. One of the Crow's 1990's grand finals is a classic example of this failure by the timekeepers.
Funny you mention that Dawson free kick, when earlier in the 4th quarter Tex kicked a goal from a throw from Rankine that wasn’t called
Cherry picking
There are bigger deal free kicks throw vs handball is often not seen many times a game youd only ever see it in slow mo most of the time clobbering someone is a lil different
Like the list isn’t every time a umpire missed a single call it’s the worst example of teams being fucked over
@@FabDinohahaha that’s literally the point of the video mate. Picking the moments that determine a game
whole 2016 grand final
The Jordan Dawson high was just karma from the Murphy incident earlier this year
1. Missed HTB - evade
2. Missed HC (ump blindsided)
3. Incorrect goal umpire decision
4. Field umpires acted correctly, timekeeper acted incorrectly
Strange how no-one ever mentions the Sharod Wellingham "goal" in the 2011 Grand Final that hit the post and was the one that lead to review being instigated by the league
I thought it was the one that thwacked into the goal post that was awarded to Hawkins…
Where the conversation started was Libba’s non goal in the 1997 prelim. I was right behind the goal, neutral observer, it was a goal.
Anthony Rocca's goal in the 2002 GF that was called a behind...
🖤🤍😊
It was already proven to be a point
How must St Kilda feel with all these goal reviews and they lost a flag when Hawkins hit the post and was given a goal a few years before they employed the tech. ps: Grub Hawkins celebrating that point to convince the goal umpire when he knew it was a point was pathetic.
great video bro keep it up
gonna need an update from this week alone
😂
the carlton vs collingwood walsh getting taken high just prior to the siren for a shot on goal cost Carlton a spot in the finals
Even Collingwood vs Port, Sidebottom completely chopped the arms of Farrell, I think that was bad
Big Tommy Hawkins, the Tomahawk he's called sometimes.
Big time player!
Its the cheap free kicks that piss me off the most.. A player gets literally touched a little high resulting in a free kick, while rough conduct goes unnoticed. . The 50 metre penalty is another
you missed a 2005 incident the afl admited was a mistake when dean solomon's shot on goal for essendon touched by hawthorns jonhathan hay was called a goal giving essendon a two point win instead of a 3 point win to hawthorn.
Saints got a crap FK for "abuse" against Darren Milburn in 2009. It was in the square...
Port vs Collingwood
Here after the grand final 😔
Another reason I've lost interest in the AFL, along with the unbalanced fixture
Dogs 97 prelim Libbas goal called a point
Part 2 pls
Opened this video to make sure you included that Lions game and was happy to see it was the very first example 🫡 as a Lions fan who lives in Geelong I felt gaslit by my entire town after that fucking game
The first one, Zorko brings down Atkins without the ball, both arms around the waist tackling to the ground.
Geelong should have won by an extra point.
Might need an update after tonight’s howler
St Kilda never had a chance to win 09, even if Hawkins goal was called a point, Geelong still win by 7. In 2010 though St Kilda got kissed on the knob by the umpires against Geelong when the umpires called Cam Mooneys fair tackle a push in the back when it should have been a free kick awarded to Cam.
Where's gws vs Carlton from round 3 this year
The entire umpiring effort in the 2016 GF.....Swans absolutely shafted to deliver an AFL sanctioned Victorian fairytale.
Rd10 2021 Adelaide vs Melbourne
I will never forget the umpires handing Adelaide the game against Fitzroy in 91 with rubbish free kick after rubbish free kick in the last 2 minutes of the game.
Watch here
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re. the St. Kilda & Geelong game, the difference would've been 5 points not 6 up for any debate after the siren..
Could have had a whole video on Sydney at the SCG including kicking the ball out of bounds after the siren against Richmond, the ball travelling over 15 but play on against cats and Rampe climbing the goal post against Essendon.
Is this the same side that constantly sits the the bottom three for free kick differential?
With incident after the siren the kick away is paid as 50 for time wasting. How can it be time wasting if the siren has sounded?
The non 15m call that Jezza marked was a square up for the Zac Bailey tackle non call the week prior.
It was bad karma
The afl is so far behind with lack of in game reviews. I get ones in free flowing play cant be changed but the first two its pretty easy to overturn, just another way the afl is behind similar to their score review cameras being 480p at 10fps lol
Billion dollar industry and they can't even afford proper cameras, i seen a behind called when the tape around the goal posts weren't stuck on properly, the game is a laughing stock.
@@BillyBowlster bruh they could just strap samsung phones to the posts they have like 480fps slowmo modes, fully dont understand why its so hard for them to upgrade
Sampi was held 2005 GF. Walker was held 2011 SF. Maynard was blocked 2018 GF.
So if sirengate was the 2nd time a games score and result were changed after investigation, what was the first time?
I think it might have been Round 8 in 1968...Richmond Vs Hawthorn at the MCG. When the siren sounded all scoreboards showed that the game was a draw 11.14 80 a piece. However , the goal umpires conferred in the centre of the ground and it was relayed to the main scoreboard attendant that Richmond's score was in fact 11.15 81. So Richmond won by a point. I was there as a boy and we were all disheartened that the game ended in a draw, but then elated approx. 5 minutes after the siren had sounded, when we found out The Tigers had won by a point.
The Hawkins goal in the 2009 grand final was countered by the double goal St.Kilda got down the other end ten minutes later. Even then, if the goal was counted as a point, Geelong still would've been a point up when the final siren went.
No. If that goal was really a point, Geelong would have had to kick the ball back into play from the goal posts as opposed to it being brought back to the centre.
Who's to know how the game would have flowed for the rest of that quarter and the game if it was a kick-in?
Greatest sport on earth ran and officiated by the most inept. That's AFL in a nutshell.
I love people crying about the high hit not called for a pies win, as if the worst umpiring on planet earth still didn't get Adelaide over the line earlier in the season. What goes around comes around, the only difference is the pies win anyway 😅
Where is the 2018 grand final when Maynard was held? They legit admitted he was held and should have got the free kick, also round 7 against crows had much worst umpiring that almost cost the game
There’s so many instances. I’ll definitely look into making another part on the topic
No one has admitted he was held except salty Collingchoke fans
It wouldn't have mattered if Rooke hadn't kicked that goal after the siren. If a point had been awarded instead of a goal after Hawkin's hitting the post, Geelong would have won by 1 point. It's really just simple mathematics.
There is a different between a poor decision and an absolute muppet brain fade.
Try non-decisions & omissions of responsibility....Far more culpability involved & implausible deniability.
To be honest umpiring has gotten so bad these days that it may as well be at the point that every game is going to have one. Other calls I reckon should have been included was the block in the 2018 grand final when Dom Sheed marked the ball and also Dane Rampe deliberately climbing and shaking the post as well as the 2019 ANZAC day game
The 2001 preliminary final (Hawks v Essendon) the umpires cheated the Hawks. (I might be a lil biased)
No not biased. Eddie Macguire said the Hawks were crucified by the umpires. I still distinctly remember him saying that on the Footy Show.
Furthermore, one of the umpires Darren Goldspink was relegated to emergency umpire on GF day as "punishment".
I was there that day. Disgraceful umpiring it was.
I’m no expert by any means, but isn’t the fist case “incorrect disposal”? It looks like the long hair dude throws or drops the ball just before the lions tackle.
Yea that's the whole point, they should've got the free kick but the umpires incorrectly called play on
Quite literally the point of the video..
@@Reginaldinho712 Is Holding the ball the same as incorrect disposal? I thought they were separate, holding the ball is getting tackled without disposal, while Incorrect disposal is a throw or just letting the ball go. The head of umpiring said holding the ball, - just trying to get the penalty straight.
What about Melbourne versus Adelaide round 10 2021. The most blatant deliberate out of bounds. And they never called it.
There are still people to this day claiming the ball deflected off Spargo. Literal slow motion footage confirms it didn't touch a Melbourne player and so did umpires when they admitted error
Why is Tom hawkins the thumbnail he’s the biggest flop for free kicks
Have a cry why don't you?
If you can do better, do it.
Or accept that humans are fallable, and for every decision that went against a team, there'll be an equally bewildering decision that benefited them.
Get over it
You thought the crows got robbed then
including the adaleide collingwood game is crazy considering the amount of goals the umpires cost Collingwood😅
You could literally put the whole 2016 GF in here, the most rigged game in AFL history to the point where the AFL had to come out and apologise
I was literally gonna say that man, so glad u feel me!!!
Dawson shouldn’t have gotten the free anyway
No free for a high? You must be joking!
karma fo rd7
In regard to the first one there is such a thing as having to have prior opportunity.
What about the 2018 Grand Final with Maynard getting blocked?
@soussy5297 Cap
Great vid but you missed 1, round 7 2021 Sydney v Geelong when the umpire payed not 15 when Cameron marked it I think that was controversial
Was complete bulls##t but it was a square up from the Zac Bailey non call the week prior.
Bad karma hit us
Dawsons no call was karma for rd7
Murphy was hit in the face which caused blood and a concussion no free kick
Johnson had his head just about ripped off also a none free kick
Collingwood will always be looked after they’re the afl cash cow
We've lost 2 grand finals this century to blatant umpiring mistakes.
@@surj1023too right 😤
@@surj1023mAyNaRd WaS hElD, right? Umpires didn't cost you a 5 goal lead 😂
@@Podgorski37 Had the umpire made the right call, the 5 goal lead would have been enough to still win by a goal.
@surj1023 if you blow a 5 goal lead like that you don't deserve to be premiers. Case in point, Melbourne scoring 16 goals in the 2nd half of 2021 GF
That's dumb😮
Mate how on earth can you describe Daniher's mark in the opening game an 'unbelievable pack mark' ? You need to watch more footy or stop overstating standard marks in footy. Or perhaps believe more things. lol.
Wow mate, I guess I’m just more of a skeptic than you are perhaps. Or maybe perhaps when close games come down to the last minute you’d consider a pack mark with 3 opposition players around you to be somewhat ‘unbelievable’. Anyway, it’s just an adjective mate, don’t get too hung up on a single word some guy uses on a RUclips video. Cheers for the engagement 😂 and keep on giggling.
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Collingwood are biggest cheats in the AFL
In the 2009 GF, don't forget that Geelong won by 12 points, and that StK got a dodgy free in front of goal without the ball going back to the centre just before half-time, which was complete BS. So the Hawkins goal had no effect on the result
Good video but you missed several thousand
Had to cut it down a bit 😅
Funny how you missed the first final last year when Lynch kicked a goal in the last couple of minutes that was overturned. If the umpire "thinks it's a goal" then there must be positive evidence that it wasn't for the decision to be overturned. There was no evidence whatsoever.
You could see it go over mate
@@JoshPower-vb1uk Doesn't matter *mate*. The goal umpire said he thought it was a goal and there was no clear evidence to overturn that observation.
Saints should have won 2009 granny
I’d be interested to hear the argument here. Why should they have won?
@@McZoltanOnline cuz I am biased and wanted them to win but also that goal being a behind could have changed how both teams played and changed the score
@@Toastroony 100% agree that game would have been different, but it was too early in the game to be used as a factor that determined the outcome.
@@McZoltanOnline But you could argue since it was early a lot could have changed if that was a behind and could have heavily affected a lot of the game
@@Toastroony definitely and that’s the same point I made. Anything could have happened, which is why I wanted you to elaborate on your initial comment that the Saints should have won the GF.
Sam Newman was right in saying they’re MAGGOTS
Geelong get every important decision their way, its fucking disgusting,,,,,last night the balll was out on the full by a meter kicked by a Geelong player and mark by another and yet the mark was paid. I hate Geelong for this FACT, they are favoured severely by the umpires at the right time....usually in their forward pocket.