Here's the channel we found this match on: ruclips.net/user/taekwondoversus From the looks of this, this match took place in Jupps Gym: ruclips.net/channel/UCtH35RISpSBRPHUmSf_gILw Like always, thanks to Rob for helping with the commentary and critique: ruclips.net/channel/UCeQsyqEoxMpzmtWi_ZLAaFg
Thats one hell of a tarewondo fighter. Now As a taekwondo practitioner, id just want to say, if the rule allow to hit you on the ground, the tkd guy would alrdy be lost. One thing i hate about taekwondo is, they often fall down when they kicks, and since their rule doesnt allow them to be attacked when they fall, most of them abuse that, attack, fall and repeat. (Although theyll get point penalty after awhile, its still disqusting)
@@floyddominique3731 I'm an IFT practitioner and I can attest to this.We tend to avoid kicks that take you off your feet. For us the kicks are like the bombs that tear down the walls, and then the punches are the soldiers that storm through those openings and finish the job.
@Into Comedy Very true! And if you go back further, even before tkd, and look at its root art taekyon, one of the ways to win a taekyon match would be to knock the opponent off his feet. Sacrificing your footing would be unheard of in taekyon. To me, this practice is a total bastardization of what the founders intended the art to be.
@Into Comedy I agree. But don't lose complete faith in tkd. Though there are bastardized branches of it out there, there are some who still keep the old ways alive. It's just a shame that they are hard to find as opposed to the bs that's become mainstream.
Let's be fair, here. As a MT fighter even I must admit that TKD guy has a helluva heart but above all? His techniques are definitely on point. That fight-ending back kick was no lucky shot - his timing was on point. He won fair & square. Kudos! 👍👍
@@mainakdas4272 Nope. It's both the fighter and the martial art. The fighter is the wielder, the martial art is the weapon. If I trained you in Peek-A-Boo style boxing but you don't have the built & ferocity of Mike Tyson, you'll never be a heavyweight champion because you are just not meant for that system. Our KO weapons choose us. Not the other way round. It's obvious you've never knocked out a person in your life before.
One of the things about the spinning kicks that surprised me when I did TKD was that, while I thought they were so obvious and telegraphed that they could never hit me, a good TKD guy is factoring in your reaction to the telegraphed kick. He's going to be kicking where you're going to be. If you always cover high, he'll go to the midsection. If you always create distance, he'll cover that gap. It's also one of the few ways you can quickly close a gap while attacking with a kick, a privilege that is ordinarily only enjoyed by punches and takedowns. You also see how much this guy falls down from his fancy kicks, which isn't unusual. That's where we get this new weird combination in MMA, the BJJ + kicking hybrid that's being promoted by guys like Ryan Hall. They're able to go for a lot of wild kicks without much fear of falling down or getting taken down because everyone is so afraid of Hall's jiujitsu that they're just going to let him get back up. So in a weird way, at least in MMA, jiujitsu improves your kicking.
Very great explanation! Boxers do that too with their hands. They'll throw one punch just to anticipate where your head will be and then the second punch is the actual punch that's meant to hit you where your head goes.
I'd forgotten about Ryan Hall! You're right lol. Is that becoming more common now? But what you're saying about telegraphing, predicting future position of the target, and covering the distance while striking are not unique to TKD. For example, even if your Muay kick is not telegraphic, an experienced guy can still read your intentions, in which case you have to feint and strike where the target will be, not where it is. Same case if he is faster than you. As for covering distance with strikes, TKD (or capoeira?) does that very well, but Muay can too (though admittedly not as far), in combinations and jumping or spinning techniques if you wish. Muay just avoids doing that kind of thing because it's more conservative and avoids leaving you exposed. As we see in this vid, the TKD guy had no defense and whenever he missed or misjudged the range, he ended up on the floor. Pretty much every charge could've been stopped by the Muay guy push kicking or strolling forward with leg blocks, and we saw the former happen.
I started in TKD and moved to muay thai and I can tell you the TKD kicks work, the problem is it sucks at boxing range. If the MT guy or boxer can close the distance they'll be able to unload on a traditional TKD practitioner.
That's 100% correct the same go for capoeira guys. Soon as they start jamming your kicks. You need to start relying on sweet, takedown, push kicks in front snap kicks. But it's a lot safer to learn some boxing and some Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu on the side.
Second degree black belt Tae Kwon DO retired many years ago. (modo Kwon tkd) I took a spinning heel kick just under my left arm. They suck it broke two of my ribs.
And i believe that this match is not following Muay Thai rules .. if follow Muay Thai rules . Knee and elbow is allowed . And it will be more interesting
@@leedane2694 Maui Thai is brutal martial art that's for sure. But as many people have said if he had a chance to close the distance it probably would have ended differently. I have seen true Master of TKD that basically use their feet and legs like hands catch with one while landing a kick with the other. But adding boxing skills to your stand up TKD can really do a lot for your stand up skills that I know for sure.
Yeah, and they're super wild, they're really uncertain if they will land the kick or not, that's why they have so much spinning to take advantage of the momentum of the previous kick. The problem is that they lose balance and stance upon landing and that's when you can exploit them.
I do Muay Thai but I’ve always loved taekwondo and need to learn it so bad, this just proved how effective it is. Can’t wait till covid is over so I can start taking tkd lessons too
@@FightCommentary it's been almost a year since I started. June 6th last year to be exact. I've learned a lot of new kicks and become more agile and flexible. Im currently learning 360 Hook kick and a 720 roundhouse kick. Received my first grade and am progressing quickly according to my Instructor (I forget the name in Korean 😔). I'm trying to adapt new advanced boxing footwork techniques and blocks from muay thai to incorporate them into my tkd arsenal.
@@STARKILLER15100 hey, I have been doing Muay Thai for about 7 months now, and I’m going to do a trail class of taekwondo soon and probably start doing it. Anything you recommend or any info?
Man, MT guy after the first two head kicks was more concerned about his face, that's why he kept his arm up, exposing the rib. He didn't see the back kick coming. If applied well, TKD kicks are devastating. MT is good, but that emphasis on keeping everything super tight and closed weakens your peripheral vision. That's a weakness that a good kicker can take advantage of. Edit: As I finished writing this, you guys mentioned what I just said about covering his face... hah!
@Salem RU lmao you couldn’t do one google search, Muay Thai was used by the Thailand army, and now modern times, countries like USA and other use certain techniques from Muay Thai, mostly elbows and knees. But I do agree with you, it really depends on the fighter.
@@yanyanzhang5813 no, old WTF! new WTF only flashy kick but no power, because of the olympic WTF rules. you dont need power, just fast kick to body protector with sensor, voila.. you got your scores
@@yanyanzhang5813 i know the difference between ITF & WTF, i've used to be WTF practitioner for almost 17yrs and got my 3rd Kukkiwon Dan, then i quit 5yrs ago because of i feel new WTF lost its soul
Been practicing TKD for 2 and a half year now and I can actually tell that the spinning back kick is one of the most lethal kicks in all martial arts. Also that spinning tornado kick earlier in the round definitely intimidated the Muay Thai fighter as he started to heightened his guard on his head and neglected his defense on his stomach area.
Second degree black belt Tae Kwon DO retired many years ago. I took a spinning heel kick just under my left arm and it broke two of ribs so I know exactly how that feels. Damn hurts just thinking about it lololol
I did taekwondo for 19 years. 81-00. I wasn't an elite fighter by any means but sometimes you meet these guys who just have this little extra, both mentally and physically special thingy in them. Guys that are just... Good fighters and can use tkd against any other styles. But these guys I've met usually had some boxing experience on the side. At least some. Otherwise it's very hard to survive with only, in my case, Wtf tkd. But that's me. Can't speak for everyone. ❤️From Thailand 🇹🇭
Man, a great example of why TKD has extreme potential to be so effective. Those kicks are like being shot by a cannon: devastating, scary, and painful. But like any cannon, it takes a bit to reload/rechamber another shot, or in this case, it takes a bit to stop yourself if you have a lot of momentum/inertia behind a kick.
Thats the thing, usually taekwondo fighters are not good at jamming eachother since thats just courting death against another taekwondo fighter. But this allows them to do many combo kicks with the leftover momentum. Muay Tai is a massive counter to taekwondo.
Dude his tecnique is 100% legit, I practice taekwondo for 10 years and can say that he is very amazing, even his confidence in his taekwondo is amazing, is a very rare thing to see.
Very nice spinning back kick to the ribs. But I will say, if this were MMA, the tkd guy would have been destroyed the instant he fell to the ground off of those over-committed kicks. The problem is that you need a lot of room to land those deadly kicks, and if they didn't keep getting broken up by the ref and reset, the MT guy would have gotten in close and picked him apart. But every time he got close, the tkd guy fell to the ground, fight was stopped, and distance restored. It was an exploit that worked well for him here, but wouldn't work so well in a real fight or in the cage. (and I'm saying this as a tkd guy of 27 years)
@Joseph S Not everyone, and perhaps he has some ground skill. But I'm presuming not (and I could be wrong). But even for those that have skills from the ground, more often than not they end up getting destroyed if they slip or fall and get mounted, at least when against someone who also has ground skills. I understand where you're coming from. I've been training in Jiu-jitsu for the last 6-7 years and I'm a little guy, so I end up on the bottom a lot and have to use my guard game. I understand how effective it can be, in my case it HAS to be effective. That said, I'd still rather be on top. And trying a kick that makes me fall to the ground and not have good grips/control of my opponent might put me in a position of getting my guard passed and then life isn't very fun at that point.
i think this just proves that the most important aspect of any school is whether the they're training to fight or for sport. there are countless tkd places that will teach the same techniques but not at the intensity required to be effective for a fight. whereas almost every muay thai school is training to be effective for fighting
The intensity and the intent to connect with the ability to follow up kicks is something that tkd has the potential to do if only they would stop point sparring and practice more full contact
@@RobWatt @3:45 This video pretty much sealed the deal for me that tkd was incredibly limited in it's teaching of practical punching technique/live application. ruclips.net/video/U4dpoSQWsE0/видео.html
A heel to the rib would suck! You should check out fight science strongest kick. Bren foster is a world champion of WTF tkd and he does that kick on a crash test dummy. It’s off the charts 🤯
MT guy will grind a pure TKD guy down by the 2nd + rounds. TKD is a great kicking style but you need a hand/knuckle style and understanding of low kicks. Nice video.
if this was mma rule, pretty sure the muay thai guy will win. Taekwondo guy was taking advantage of the fight stopping when opponent is on the ground rule to just throw flying kicks, and then fall to the ground to stop the fight. he needed a few tries before he landed a good hit. but damn those were some great kicks
TKD guy has very smooth, practiced kicks. He has the kind of relaxed elastic quality which you tend to see in high level practitioners, although his balance goes sometimes.
I dunno how Taekwondo tournament rules in you'll country, but in my country the fight doesnt stop until one of the contestant fall or injured. Not just tap kick and done. I once participated on tkd tournament and got kicked really hard on the head. After that my mom never let me join any MA again. Its a shame because i almot get my red belt that time :3 .
Would love for u to react to the highlights of the current pound for pound best taekwondo athelete in the wolrd, rio Olympic champion Ahmad abu ghoush. Wish he transitions to mma after tokoyo Olympics. His kicks are the most dynamic you will ever see.
Very good kicker indeed, but not much power. The olympic tkd athletes are mostly scoring points and playing that game, especially after they started to use electronic sensors.
I practice every detail I'm tkd. Even our slide switch, if I don't get the exact result I want I get mad and practice for hours or days even when I'm an absolute pro at it. At my gym it's mma and tkd separate, and the day I got there most kids were green belts, I've been doing tkd for 1 and a half year and I've just got my green. All the original green and orange belts haven't even gotten another stripe! And my fitness and flexibility and power is at black belt level! I can act the marine fitness course easily because I did 90s to 100s with sit ups push-ups squats, you name it and I did it in 1 minute.
I remember when I first did it my master actually did low kicks, grabbing, and a little ground game. At that time I didn’t know much about the history of it until I started to look at videos of most tkd guys losing which made me confused. But I had to remember that it does depend on the fighter more then the style as I have seen a few who could hold their own, both in the ring and streets. I just feel bad for the art because I feel it could be more then just a sport like it is now. I don’t mind the pint system but it’s gets another every few seconds when they have to separate
I've got some Muay Thai DVDs from Thai fighters somewhere. What I found interesting was that quite a few of the fighters had black belts in Taekwondo. I think they trained it for leg speed, even if they didn't necessarily use the spinning kicks, they knew how to throw them and how to deal with them
Hey Guys! Love your channel. Please do a break down of the fight scenes in the All Valley Under 18 Karate Tournament at the end of Season 1 of Cobra Kai.
I wouldn't doubt that the TKD guy has not ONLY done TKD. Also, skill difference no matter what matters. If you let a TKD guy keep doing spinning shit without hard punishes, you'll get hit eventually. In MMA, it's even more risky to rely on spinny shit on the time due to energy issues and the threat of falling / being wrestled.
To me this looks like a TKD mix with boxing .... i always said if you mix TKD with something it becomes dangerous good stuff but I prefer Muay Thai all day
@@blazingkitsune9020 They are definitely not on the same level. This is what I wanted to say. The MT guy is like scared. As if he was afraid to hit hard or he even cant. In the other hand, ofc if you are a tkd fighter you want to think blindly the tkd is superior but why dont we see tkd champions in K1, UFC, etc..? Because the MT is the best standing fight style. Its obvious.
@@kinnanton I'm more than sure that mt techniques are utilized in mma. And just like any other striking style, it all depends on how good the fighter is
Muay's simple push kick + roundhouse are actually pretty well matched by Taekwondo's turning sidekick / back kick + spinning wheel kicks or whatever they're called. They are both straight and sweeping, and both have similar start-ups so are easy to feint and create openings. But this.... was just a TKD guy flopping around till he got in a lucky shot. He didn't seem to know how to use his hands, elbows, or knees, or how to clinch, and every mistake he made wasn't punished because he ended up on the floor.
Lol you all can keep crying and making up silly excuses...thai guy lost fair and square, tkd spinning back kick is super effective against slow-ass thai fighters
When are people going to get that fighting has much more to do with the FIGHTER than the style? You can have a good akido fighter beat a crappy mma fighter or a kendo fighter beat a boxer etc.
@RAWSNL If 2 replica robots would fight and one trained akido and the other mma, the mma robot would win. People are not robots, people are not created equal. If you have a naturally good fighter train akido squaring of against a naturally bad fighter training mma, the akido fighter might very well win. I am not saying that akido is a better martial art (it sucks for fighting), I am saying that the style isnt everything. Look at the early UFC fights. I think there was this complete bullshit ninjutsu guy that managed to win against a kick boxer etc.
Looked more like a liver shot than ribs, ribs don't usually double over a full contact fighter like that Also I think the tkd guy is getting more credit than he deserves, the kicks look more flashy than Thai fighters but he was having trouble dealing with the power of the Thai guy. If he hadn't got that body shot early this might have ended very differently for him
Before i learned MMA i used to overwhelm opponents with flashy spin kicks as well. unless your opponent is trained in TKD, youre going to have intimidation as an advantage by throwing tornado kicks and such
I like kwonkicker too but he's only fight with a noname muaythai(very newbie) in Thailand. Every fighter could do that too it's not that hard if you are a fighter. The muaythai guys that fight with kwonkicker in youtube is only a kid that just begin to learn muaythai. Many foreigners alway come to fight with muaythai in Thailand and put the video on RUclips but most of them fight with noname(newbie) or fight in a tourism area ring(very newbie) most of muaythai guys in those ring are just only normal thai people not even a real fighter but they want money. Some foreigners fight in the bar ring and they thought they fighting with muaythai but for real the muaythai fighter in the bar ring they are only just the waiter in that bar.
@@onalonan no one's claiming that Kwonkicker is elite pro Muay Thai dominating TKD prodigy. He's an "epic" RUclipsr in that he has really great, helpful kicking tutorials that millions of students have found useful, including me. Anyway, here's his fight against a Muay Thai fighter, another amateur which makes sense since Kwonkicker's an amateur. He went to Thailand to teach a kicking seminar at Tiger, not to make promotional videos for himself against drunk guys at the bar. ruclips.net/video/1TwGCH2cliQ/видео.html
@@elenchus yes I know, I'm his fan too. just tell you the story about many foreign fighting guys come to Thailand and fight in the small ring with a newbie and then post on youtube a pro fight.
The muay thai guy got hit really bad on the lower right part of his ribcage, where the liver is present. That is why he stopped cuz liver shots are extremely painful.
TK is not that effective cause that guy would have probably lost when he landed on the floor after having missed two kicks. TK still won only after having those extra two opportunities. I still don;t like TK bc it leaves too open in fights if kicks are missed.
Kicking each other in the ribs with round kicks is part of Muay Thai training. That’s part of why you see Muay Thai fighters with their fists up and ribs exposed. Unfortunately this guy didn’t appear to be very hardened.
@@blazingkitsune9020 yeah but tkd guy was clearly doing more damage with the kicks, as expected. He was pretty good at punching. What I was saying is that if he got his punching up to the level that his kicks are at, he would be a monster.
I took one to the just under my left arm and it broke two of ribs. 8 years full contact TKD retired many years ago. It hurts just thinking about it lololol
The big difference in my opinion about taekwondo is WT is full contact with knock out and ITF and ATA is only semi contact with no knock outs, well not on purpose. 😄
Not sure about his style because there's no information about his gym and trainer. But at least his roundhouse kicks are like muay thai style. Maybe he's a muay thai fighter.
Rare for A Tae kwon suk Do.. He did fall a lot.. Having fought a lot of TKSD all through the 80s, they were very easy to destroy. TKSD always dropped their hands as they move to do damn near every thing and always on kicks. I made sure to try and break their hand they would drop. Wasn't illegal, wasn't cool to do but it allowed me a possible open if the moved that hand and if they did not I would hurt or break their hand.
that's no regular TKD the Mc Dojos taught you, pay attention to his footwork, how he kicks through target with his leg not fully extended until a certain point, that's a hybrid style TKD, the same as what Mirko Cro Cop practiced, good luck finding a Dojo that actually taught you this in your country.
Here's the channel we found this match on: ruclips.net/user/taekwondoversus
From the looks of this, this match took place in Jupps Gym: ruclips.net/channel/UCtH35RISpSBRPHUmSf_gILw
Like always, thanks to Rob for helping with the commentary and critique: ruclips.net/channel/UCeQsyqEoxMpzmtWi_ZLAaFg
That Tornado kick right off the bat! Lol
I just sent this to you but you already saw it! Damn
Sensei Seth! We will look at some of your videos soon!
To see sensei over here just made my day. I love both of these channels. Hell yeah...collab...collab....collab *chant intensifies*
always studying your enemy eh 😋
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Thats one hell of a tarewondo fighter.
Now As a taekwondo practitioner, id just want to say, if the rule allow to hit you on the ground, the tkd guy would alrdy be lost.
One thing i hate about taekwondo is, they often fall down when they kicks, and since their rule doesnt allow them to be attacked when they fall, most of them abuse that, attack, fall and repeat. (Although theyll get point penalty after awhile, its still disqusting)
Nice call dude. I think ITF TKD guys don't do that though.
@@subsonic9854 yes, ITF branch fall less coz they also do punches.
@@floyddominique3731 I'm an IFT practitioner and I can attest to this.We tend to avoid kicks that take you off your feet. For us the kicks are like the bombs that tear down the walls, and then the punches are the soldiers that storm through those openings and finish the job.
@Into Comedy Very true! And if you go back further, even before tkd, and look at its root art taekyon, one of the ways to win a taekyon match would be to knock the opponent off his feet. Sacrificing your footing would be unheard of in taekyon. To me, this practice is a total bastardization of what the founders intended the art to be.
@Into Comedy I agree. But don't lose complete faith in tkd. Though there are bastardized branches of it out there, there are some who still keep the old ways alive. It's just a shame that they are hard to find as opposed to the bs that's become mainstream.
Let's be fair, here. As a MT fighter even I must admit that TKD guy has a helluva heart but above all? His techniques are definitely on point. That fight-ending back kick was no lucky shot - his timing was on point. He won fair & square. Kudos! 👍👍
#facts
Can’t be mad with you. I’m a MT fighter as well. The TKD guy was the better fighter
Im planning on doing muay thai and mixing tkd with it been doing tkd for about 8 years now
😮it is all about who is the artist. May what art he practice
@@mainakdas4272 Nope. It's both the fighter and the martial art. The fighter is the wielder, the martial art is the weapon. If I trained you in Peek-A-Boo style boxing but you don't have the built & ferocity of Mike Tyson, you'll never be a heavyweight champion because you are just not meant for that system. Our KO weapons choose us. Not the other way round. It's obvious you've never knocked out a person in your life before.
One of the things about the spinning kicks that surprised me when I did TKD was that, while I thought they were so obvious and telegraphed that they could never hit me, a good TKD guy is factoring in your reaction to the telegraphed kick. He's going to be kicking where you're going to be. If you always cover high, he'll go to the midsection. If you always create distance, he'll cover that gap. It's also one of the few ways you can quickly close a gap while attacking with a kick, a privilege that is ordinarily only enjoyed by punches and takedowns.
You also see how much this guy falls down from his fancy kicks, which isn't unusual. That's where we get this new weird combination in MMA, the BJJ + kicking hybrid that's being promoted by guys like Ryan Hall. They're able to go for a lot of wild kicks without much fear of falling down or getting taken down because everyone is so afraid of Hall's jiujitsu that they're just going to let him get back up. So in a weird way, at least in MMA, jiujitsu improves your kicking.
Very great explanation! Boxers do that too with their hands. They'll throw one punch just to anticipate where your head will be and then the second punch is the actual punch that's meant to hit you where your head goes.
I'd forgotten about Ryan Hall! You're right lol. Is that becoming more common now?
But what you're saying about telegraphing, predicting future position of the target, and covering the distance while striking are not unique to TKD. For example, even if your Muay kick is not telegraphic, an experienced guy can still read your intentions, in which case you have to feint and strike where the target will be, not where it is. Same case if he is faster than you.
As for covering distance with strikes, TKD (or capoeira?) does that very well, but Muay can too (though admittedly not as far), in combinations and jumping or spinning techniques if you wish. Muay just avoids doing that kind of thing because it's more conservative and avoids leaving you exposed. As we see in this vid, the TKD guy had no defense and whenever he missed or misjudged the range, he ended up on the floor. Pretty much every charge could've been stopped by the Muay guy push kicking or strolling forward with leg blocks, and we saw the former happen.
Its like in HEMA.
You telegraph a big oberhew and go for a thrust
“Kicking where you’re going to be.” Ah, the Space Invaders strategy. That’s the hallmark of someone with experience.
@@Dynaman21 lol space invaders, I like that
I started in TKD and moved to muay thai and I can tell you the TKD kicks work, the problem is it sucks at boxing range. If the MT guy or boxer can close the distance they'll be able to unload on a traditional TKD practitioner.
That's 100% correct the same go for capoeira guys. Soon as they start jamming your kicks. You need to start relying on sweet, takedown, push kicks in front snap kicks. But it's a lot safer to learn some boxing and some Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu on the side.
Second degree black belt Tae Kwon DO retired many years ago. (modo Kwon tkd)
I took a spinning heel kick just under my left arm. They suck it broke two of my ribs.
And i believe that this match is not following Muay Thai rules .. if follow Muay Thai rules . Knee and elbow is allowed . And it will be more interesting
@@leedane2694 Maui Thai is brutal martial art that's for sure.
But as many people have said if he had a chance to close the distance it probably would have ended differently.
I have seen true Master of TKD that basically use their feet and legs like hands catch with one while landing a kick with the other.
But adding boxing skills to your stand up TKD can really do a lot for your stand up skills that I know for sure.
Jeet Kun Do
The only problem with taekwondo kicks is that you get tired really fast
Yes, if he didn't take that guy out he would have gassed.
Yep, that's why taekwondo matches last for like 1.5-2 mins, but with boxing cardio I'm sure it will help lessen getting gassed
Yeah, throwing kicks depletes your tank even faster.
Yeah, and they're super wild, they're really uncertain if they will land the kick or not, that's why they have so much spinning to take advantage of the momentum of the previous kick. The problem is that they lose balance and stance upon landing and that's when you can exploit them.
@@tkaid5247 not really, high level taekwondo they only throw front side kick and roundhouse so they don't gas
A front kick, yeah. But a back heel kick? Nasty. Taekwondo can be so deadly.
I do Muay Thai but I’ve always loved taekwondo and need to learn it so bad, this just proved how effective it is. Can’t wait till covid is over so I can start taking tkd lessons too
Keep us posted on your journey!!
Man I think I am doing a reverse journey. I am a tkd figher and I want to learn muay thai but like you all gyms in my area are closed
This. I'm pretty sure the only dojo in my town is a mcdojo, and I really don't enjoy practising katas just to get promoted to a new belt
@@FightCommentary it's been almost a year since I started. June 6th last year to be exact. I've learned a lot of new kicks and become more agile and flexible. Im currently learning 360 Hook kick and a 720 roundhouse kick. Received my first grade and am progressing quickly according to my Instructor (I forget the name in Korean 😔). I'm trying to adapt new advanced boxing footwork techniques and blocks from muay thai to incorporate them into my tkd arsenal.
@@STARKILLER15100 hey, I have been doing Muay Thai for about 7 months now, and I’m going to do a trail class of taekwondo soon and probably start doing it. Anything you recommend or any info?
Man, MT guy after the first two head kicks was more concerned about his face, that's why he kept his arm up, exposing the rib. He didn't see the back kick coming. If applied well, TKD kicks are devastating. MT is good, but that emphasis on keeping everything super tight and closed weakens your peripheral vision. That's a weakness that a good kicker can take advantage of. Edit: As I finished writing this, you guys mentioned what I just said about covering his face... hah!
@Salem RU lmao you couldn’t do one google search, Muay Thai was used by the Thailand army, and now modern times, countries like USA and other use certain techniques from Muay Thai, mostly elbows and knees. But I do agree with you, it really depends on the fighter.
@Muay_Thai1930I’m sure your analysis is completely unbiased Muay Thai 1930
@Muay_Thai1930judging by your username you are kind of biased tho
If you want some really good example of taekwondo that is both flashy as hell yet still works, I recommend Hassan Kassrioui.
Or even better the curren5pound for pound best taekwondo athelete rio Olympics 2016 champion Ahmad abu ghoush
Or Steve Vick
ruclips.net/video/xBtAw3_Db1g/видео.html
Hassan was good until he faced the Lumpuinee Champions of Thailand
@@Thongsai That goes to show, doing too much flailing around and he eats the hardest shot ever.
@@NickoGibson Right!
That was definitely a right back kick liver shot
I was just going to say liver shot. Also important is that guy is using more hands than almost any other TKD ever seen.
Yup
@@SgtAl i think he is using itf style
@@jenell73 buts he Olympic
This guy was definitely trained in Old Wtf style that type of agression you don't see in taekwondo matches today only in the 1980s-2000s
You mean ITF?
@@yanyanzhang5813 no, old WTF! new WTF only flashy kick but no power, because of the olympic WTF rules. you dont need power, just fast kick to body protector with sensor, voila.. you got your scores
Raymond B that’s...called...ITF TKD...and it still exists...
@@yanyanzhang5813 i know the difference between ITF & WTF, i've used to be WTF practitioner for almost 17yrs and got my 3rd Kukkiwon Dan, then i quit 5yrs ago because of i feel new WTF lost its soul
@@bolifiant I know what you mean,thank kid threw spinning back fists a lot, something everyone used to do before we got cucked by the rules
Been practicing TKD for 2 and a half year now and I can actually tell that the spinning back kick is one of the most lethal kicks in all martial arts. Also that spinning tornado kick earlier in the round definitely intimidated the Muay Thai fighter as he started to heightened his guard on his head and neglected his defense on his stomach area.
High reward but high risk
Second degree black belt Tae Kwon DO retired many years ago.
I took a spinning heel kick just under my left arm and it broke two of ribs so I know exactly how that feels.
Damn hurts just thinking about it lololol
I did taekwondo for 19 years. 81-00. I wasn't an elite fighter by any means but sometimes you meet these guys who just have this little extra, both mentally and physically special thingy in them. Guys that are just... Good fighters and can use tkd against any other styles. But these guys I've met usually had some boxing experience on the side. At least some. Otherwise it's very hard to survive with only, in my case, Wtf tkd. But that's me. Can't speak for everyone. ❤️From Thailand 🇹🇭
Thanks for watching from Thailand~!
@@RobWatt thanks for the upload 😊
This is really cool! Thanks for finding this match and the great commentary.
Man, a great example of why TKD has extreme potential to be so effective. Those kicks are like being shot by a cannon: devastating, scary, and painful. But like any cannon, it takes a bit to reload/rechamber another shot, or in this case, it takes a bit to stop yourself if you have a lot of momentum/inertia behind a kick.
Thats the thing, usually taekwondo fighters are not good at jamming eachother since thats just courting death against another taekwondo fighter. But this allows them to do many combo kicks with the leftover momentum. Muay Tai is a massive counter to taekwondo.
Dude his tecnique is 100% legit, I practice taekwondo for 10 years and can say that he is very amazing, even his confidence in his taekwondo is amazing, is a very rare thing to see.
Very nice spinning back kick to the ribs. But I will say, if this were MMA, the tkd guy would have been destroyed the instant he fell to the ground off of those over-committed kicks. The problem is that you need a lot of room to land those deadly kicks, and if they didn't keep getting broken up by the ref and reset, the MT guy would have gotten in close and picked him apart. But every time he got close, the tkd guy fell to the ground, fight was stopped, and distance restored. It was an exploit that worked well for him here, but wouldn't work so well in a real fight or in the cage. (and I'm saying this as a tkd guy of 27 years)
@Joseph S Not everyone, and perhaps he has some ground skill. But I'm presuming not (and I could be wrong). But even for those that have skills from the ground, more often than not they end up getting destroyed if they slip or fall and get mounted, at least when against someone who also has ground skills.
I understand where you're coming from. I've been training in Jiu-jitsu for the last 6-7 years and I'm a little guy, so I end up on the bottom a lot and have to use my guard game. I understand how effective it can be, in my case it HAS to be effective. That said, I'd still rather be on top. And trying a kick that makes me fall to the ground and not have good grips/control of my opponent might put me in a position of getting my guard passed and then life isn't very fun at that point.
Tkd is a kicking art, boxing with your feet. Combine it with boxing and BJJ and you’ll fear no one.
i think this just proves that the most important aspect of any school is whether the they're training to fight or for sport.
there are countless tkd places that will teach the same techniques but not at the intensity required to be effective for a fight. whereas almost every muay thai school is training to be effective for fighting
The intensity and the intent to connect with the ability to follow up kicks is something that tkd has the potential to do if only they would stop point sparring and practice more full contact
first jajajaja, i feel identified with this tkd guy, as a karate man.
Ive been watching benny the jet and love his style, i want to see it come back
@@joeaverage8564 He has a wicked throw too...i would love to learn how to toss someone like that lol
The muy Thai guy didn’t really adjust his fighting style or timing to what was being thrown at him
Old school video lol used to love TKD vs videos back when I just did tkd, though it ultimately humbled me
Which match was most memorable for you?
@@RobWatt @3:45
This video pretty much sealed the deal for me that tkd was incredibly limited in it's teaching of practical punching technique/live application.
ruclips.net/video/U4dpoSQWsE0/видео.html
@@RobWatt talking about the OG video too. I remember submitting it to Lawrence a time before he did a breakdown on it
Hit hard, hit fast, hit often, I imagine that’s what the TKD guy’s strategy was. An since we’re close to the subject, find any 60s TKD footage yet?
A heel to the rib would suck! You should check out fight science strongest kick. Bren foster is a world champion of WTF tkd and he does that kick on a crash test dummy. It’s off the charts 🤯
Thanks for that! We'll take a look!
MT guy will grind a pure TKD guy down by the 2nd + rounds. TKD is a great kicking style but you need a hand/knuckle style and understanding of low kicks.
Nice video.
if this was mma rule, pretty sure the muay thai guy will win. Taekwondo guy was taking advantage of the fight stopping when opponent is on the ground rule to just throw flying kicks, and then fall to the ground to stop the fight. he needed a few tries before he landed a good hit. but damn those were some great kicks
The only thing wrong with TKD is lack of contact sparring and cross training once that is covered it is pretty good.
TKD guy has very smooth, practiced kicks. He has the kind of relaxed elastic quality which you tend to see in high level practitioners, although his balance goes sometimes.
I thought the Tae Kwon Do guy was a Jujitsu guy. He spent more time on the floor tan standing up. LOL! (just kidding. I really love Tae Kwon Do).
he gonna fail in MMA Match a lot
Yach..... he fell four time in about 1 minutes....
If in MMA this fight will different end story....
I dunno how Taekwondo tournament rules in you'll country, but in my country the fight doesnt stop until one of the contestant fall or injured. Not just tap kick and done.
I once participated on tkd tournament and got kicked really hard on the head. After that my mom never let me join any MA again. Its a shame because i almot get my red belt that time :3 .
People underestimate taekwondo too much
Would love for u to react to the highlights of the current pound for pound best taekwondo athelete in the wolrd, rio Olympic champion Ahmad abu ghoush. Wish he transitions to mma after tokoyo Olympics. His kicks are the most dynamic you will ever see.
Very good kicker indeed, but not much power. The olympic tkd athletes are mostly scoring points and playing that game, especially after they started to use electronic sensors.
Thanks for sharing bro, Tae Kwon do 🥋 ftw
I practice every detail I'm tkd. Even our slide switch, if I don't get the exact result I want I get mad and practice for hours or days even when I'm an absolute pro at it. At my gym it's mma and tkd separate, and the day I got there most kids were green belts, I've been doing tkd for 1 and a half year and I've just got my green. All the original green and orange belts haven't even gotten another stripe! And my fitness and flexibility and power is at black belt level! I can act the marine fitness course easily because I did 90s to 100s with sit ups push-ups squats, you name it and I did it in 1 minute.
So, first I kick and then I throw myself on the floor repeatedly?
You should see the rest of the Taekwondovs videos in case you want to review their videos and comment on them
Im guessing the tkd guy is using itf right? Cause it’s really good
I’ve seen this fight before. TKD gambled with his big kicks and won.
I remember when I first did it my master actually did low kicks, grabbing, and a little ground game. At that time I didn’t know much about the history of it until I started to look at videos of most tkd guys losing which made me confused.
But I had to remember that it does depend on the fighter more then the style as I have seen a few who could hold their own, both in the ring and streets.
I just feel bad for the art because I feel it could be more then just a sport like it is now. I don’t mind the pint system but it’s gets another every few seconds when they have to separate
I love taekwondo kicks especially if you mixed taekwondo with muay thai now that's a good combination.
I love Taekwon do high kicks in the opponent body and face 😜😜😍😍🥋🥋🥋
I've got some Muay Thai DVDs from Thai fighters somewhere. What I found interesting was that quite a few of the fighters had black belts in Taekwondo. I think they trained it for leg speed, even if they didn't necessarily use the spinning kicks, they knew how to throw them and how to deal with them
Note to self, don't want to catch a heel in the rib
Lawrence Kenshin has a video on this same subject.
Hey Guys! Love your channel. Please do a break down of the fight scenes in the All Valley Under 18 Karate Tournament at the end of Season 1 of Cobra Kai.
I wouldn't doubt that the TKD guy has not ONLY done TKD. Also, skill difference no matter what matters. If you let a TKD guy keep doing spinning shit without hard punishes, you'll get hit eventually. In MMA, it's even more risky to rely on spinny shit on the time due to energy issues and the threat of falling / being wrestled.
To me this looks like a TKD mix with boxing .... i always said if you mix TKD with something it becomes dangerous good stuff but I prefer Muay Thai all day
Where is original video?
The MT guy definitely didnt kick and punch with power. He was like sparring lightly.
These excuses are getting out of hand🤣
@@blazingkitsune9020 They are definitely not on the same level. This is what I wanted to say. The MT guy is like scared. As if he was afraid to hit hard or he even cant. In the other hand, ofc if you are a tkd fighter you want to think blindly the tkd is superior but why dont we see tkd champions in K1, UFC, etc..? Because the MT is the best standing fight style. Its obvious.
@@kinnanton I'm more than sure that mt techniques are utilized in mma. And just like any other striking style, it all depends on how good the fighter is
@@kinnanton And the muy thai fighter was clearly hurt during the fight
Did he keep throwing tornados to the head to misdirect and set-up the back kick to the ribs?
Epiiic
It goes to show that it is not the style, but the fighter utilizing that style.
Muay's simple push kick + roundhouse are actually pretty well matched by Taekwondo's turning sidekick / back kick + spinning wheel kicks or whatever they're called. They are both straight and sweeping, and both have similar start-ups so are easy to feint and create openings.
But this.... was just a TKD guy flopping around till he got in a lucky shot. He didn't seem to know how to use his hands, elbows, or knees, or how to clinch, and every mistake he made wasn't punished because he ended up on the floor.
Probably the rules in the match didn't allow if it was he would of been fucked
@@aaroncaughlin2941Could be!
Lol you all can keep crying and making up silly excuses...thai guy lost fair and square, tkd spinning back kick is super effective against slow-ass thai fighters
@@intermaths1128 lol ok kid.
@@subsonic9854
No problem boy
When are people going to get that fighting has much more to do with the FIGHTER than the style? You can have a good akido fighter beat a crappy mma fighter or a kendo fighter beat a boxer etc.
@RAWSNL If 2 replica robots would fight and one trained akido and the other mma, the mma robot would win. People are not robots, people are not created equal. If you have a naturally good fighter train akido squaring of against a naturally bad fighter training mma, the akido fighter might very well win.
I am not saying that akido is a better martial art (it sucks for fighting), I am saying that the style isnt everything. Look at the early UFC fights. I think there was this complete bullshit ninjutsu guy that managed to win against a kick boxer etc.
Looked more like a liver shot than ribs, ribs don't usually double over a full contact fighter like that
Also I think the tkd guy is getting more credit than he deserves, the kicks look more flashy than Thai fighters but he was having trouble dealing with the power of the Thai guy. If he hadn't got that body shot early this might have ended very differently for him
Where can i find a teakwandojo
Before i learned MMA i used to overwhelm opponents with flashy spin kicks as well. unless your opponent is trained in TKD, youre going to have intimidation as an advantage by throwing tornado kicks and such
Kwonkicker also finished his fight the same way against a thai fighter in thailand.
Kwonkicker is epic
I like kwonkicker too but he's only fight with a noname muaythai(very newbie) in Thailand. Every fighter could do that too it's not that hard if you are a fighter. The muaythai guys that fight with kwonkicker in youtube is only a kid that just begin to learn muaythai.
Many foreigners alway come to fight with muaythai in Thailand and put the video on RUclips but most of them fight with noname(newbie) or fight in a tourism area ring(very newbie) most of muaythai guys in those ring are just only normal thai people not even a real fighter but they want money. Some foreigners fight in the bar ring and they thought they fighting with muaythai but for real the muaythai fighter in the bar ring they are only just the waiter in that bar.
@@onalonan
no one's claiming that Kwonkicker is elite pro Muay Thai dominating TKD prodigy. He's an "epic" RUclipsr in that he has really great, helpful kicking tutorials that millions of students have found useful, including me.
Anyway, here's his fight against a Muay Thai fighter, another amateur which makes sense since Kwonkicker's an amateur. He went to Thailand to teach a kicking seminar at Tiger, not to make promotional videos for himself against drunk guys at the bar.
ruclips.net/video/1TwGCH2cliQ/видео.html
@@elenchus yes I know, I'm his fan too. just tell you the story about many foreign fighting guys come to Thailand and fight in the small ring with a newbie and then post on youtube a pro fight.
OLD school TKD is Brutal... So many angles of kicks. foot work is fast and hides the attacks.
it wasn't the rib, its a liver shot. getting hit hard in the liver area can cause you to pass out.
He had crazy fast kicks! He kicked as fast as some boxers punch.
Why don't you just admit that taekwondo is legit
now that is how you deliver a TKD kicks..
I think this was more the practitioner than the style. 'Muay thai guy' didn't use the teep even once
The muay thai guy got hit really bad on the lower right part of his ribcage, where the liver is present. That is why he stopped cuz liver shots are extremely painful.
#Ok, but what is the name of Muay Thai fighter and TKD fighter, please?
You have to consider that sweeping is part of Muay Thai. That Taekwondo fighter falling down should be considered Muay Thai sweeping.
I don’t see Muay Thai fanatics saying that tkd is useless, yet. I’ll come back tomorrow
TK is not that effective cause that guy would have probably lost when he landed on the floor after having missed two kicks. TK still won only after having those extra two opportunities. I still don;t like TK bc it leaves too open in fights if kicks are missed.
Kicking each other in the ribs with round kicks is part of Muay Thai training. That’s part of why you see Muay Thai fighters with their fists up and ribs exposed. Unfortunately this guy didn’t appear to be very hardened.
That guy was a beast!
Now compare this TKD to the 80s TKD you watched the other day and you’ll see what I was taking about points vs real
Check out Kudo karate and let us know what you think about it ?
Thank's
Maybe in the future people will make more of an effort to edit in the identities of fighters into videos.
Hopefully!!
taekwondo combined with muaythai deadly. I still use my taekwondo kicks in my muaythai fights
Now if he can get better at close range punching he'll be nay unbeatable
Dude, they were in close range plenty of times
@@blazingkitsune9020 yeah but tkd guy was clearly doing more damage with the kicks, as expected. He was pretty good at punching. What I was saying is that if he got his punching up to the level that his kicks are at, he would be a monster.
He'll have to heal from that heel
I took one to the just under my left arm and it broke two of ribs.
8 years full contact TKD retired many years ago.
It hurts just thinking about it lololol
Alright I would let you tell you that just because some guy adapt some tkd kicks to their style doesn’t mean they’re a tkd fighter
I only see an excuse
The big difference in my opinion about taekwondo is WT is full contact with knock out and ITF and ATA is only semi contact with no knock outs, well not on purpose. 😄
Not sure about his style because there's no information about his gym and trainer. But at least his roundhouse kicks are like muay thai style. Maybe he's a muay thai fighter.
ATA Taekwondo is pretty good depending on your instructors/organization...... at least in my opinion
Show us some links!
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He is tkd wtf figther to figth in muay thai competitions in tailand
Effective: Spinning back kick to ribs.
Ineffective: kicking and falling down.
The taekwondo redemption!
TKD can be very scary
This is definitely WT style taekwondo, not ITF.
But seriously, awesome tkd
I want new vid of mad dog 😭
Rare for A Tae kwon suk Do.. He did fall a lot..
Having fought a lot of TKSD all through the 80s, they were very easy to destroy.
TKSD always dropped their hands as they move to do damn near every thing and always on kicks.
I made sure to try and break their hand they would drop. Wasn't illegal, wasn't cool to do but it allowed me a possible open if the moved that hand and if they did not I would hurt or break their hand.
Hey FCB, can you check out some videos of a BJJ match from 10 years ago? It might be of your interest.
Video 1: ruclips.net/video/6EkvSMT6KAM/видео.html
Video 2: ruclips.net/video/ybpAIdP9mBY/видео.html
@@goodbyerealworld8982 are you one of the competitors?
@@RobWatt no
I hate to say this, but I always root for TKD over Muay Thai... And I'm a boxing fan so I feel like I'm a traitor a bit.
Since Muay Thai is usually the favorite, it is in the interest of people sometimes to root for the underdog. It's interesting psychology.
Wooooah tkd guy was flying
Hmm, muy thai keyboard warriors seem kinda quiet
i can try to ask them, i do speak German, what i saw the mention Koeln my homwtown
Definitely get us more information when you get a chance!
this proves that you can win against muay thai...just not with muay thai rules.
Is it a fluke?
that's no regular TKD the Mc Dojos taught you, pay attention to his footwork, how he kicks through target with his leg not fully extended until a certain point, that's a hybrid style TKD, the same as what Mirko Cro Cop practiced, good luck finding a Dojo that actually taught you this in your country.
Very interesting!
bro confused where is his corner are