Specialists are still important. If it weren't for Andy Hug's karate background, who knows how much longer it would've taken for his axe kicks and spin kicks to become more popular in kickboxing/MMA. Rule limitations can sometimes force fighters to be creative in ways that MMA doesn't, because there are so many different ways to win an MMA fight that it's hard to control all the variables. So MMA needs to learn from great fighters who specialize in only one discipline like boxing, any flavor of wrestling, judo, any flavor of kickboxing, BJJ, and full contact forms of karate and TKD. Great specialists add to the overall wealth of martial arts knowledge and improve MMA even if they never step into the cage.
Ikr that's what makes watching fights so entertaining. I will never forget when I learned that "MMA" is actually a style on it's own and every mma fighter fought the same way. Fights are more entertaining when high level guys specialise in one art
@@dramaticreaper MMA is not truly a style and not every MMA fighter fights the same way. For example, Ronda Rousey ruled MMA for years and she wasn't much more than a judoka with naturally heavy hands. Mirko turned many of his MMA matches into K-1 matches. Sakaraba and Minowa's MMA matches often looked like something out of a Fujiwara Gumi pro wrestling match etc etc.
@@TheAGNOSTIC_who_YT_CENSORS nah man i was talking about how it used to be about diversity and basically in today's time "MMA" doesn't really even mean mixed martial arts anymore and is more of a style if it's own and all MMA fighters fights just about the same way
@@dramaticreaper Yes, and I was disagreeing with all of that for reasons previously stated. I totally disagree with your implied claim that Marcus Aurelio fights anything like Quinton Jackson. What COULD be said is that MMA is a style modifier. For example; Lyota Machida's MMA karate is different from a full contact karate competition, Yair Rodriguez's MMA taekwondo is different from a taekwondo competition, Hidehiko Yoshida's MMA judo is different from a judo competition, Miriam Nakamoto's MMA Muay Thai is different from a Muay Thai match, Marcus Aurelio's MMA capoeira is different from a capoeira demonstration, Connor McGregor's MMA boxing is VERY different from a boxing match, Royce Gracie's MMA BJJ is different from a BJJ competition, Dan Severn's MMA wrestling is different from a wrestling match etc. Yes, there are certainly such things as generalists in MMA and at the end of the day, there are only so many ways to strike, choke, twist or slam a noncompliant opponent (and we're still discovering/rediscovering new ones) but there is no empty hand combat sport today more versatile than MMA. In that sense, MMA is not in the same category as boxing or BJJ. It's not really a style of fighting but perhaps it could be said it's a style of training.
As a practitioner of ITF TKD for 27 years, I have to say that tkd guy's punching technique is not a good representation of how we utilize our hands. His kicks were top notch and there's definitely the more aggressive brawler mentality I'm used to, but he's holding his hands like a WTF guy and swinging with no control. Despite that, I am impressed with how he uses his awesome kicks to recover when his sloppy punches miss. I will admit this definitely looks like a mismatch, though. As much as it pains me to say it, I think a bigger, more seasoned Muay Thai fighter might have beat him.
Also TKD guy here, a Thai-boxer with stronger basics might have destroyed his kicking leg or attacked his base leg and floored him. I've seen Kyokushin beginners flatten TKD champions with basic moves outside the ITF/WTF skillset.
Am also an ITF practitioner for over 10 years and have been practising muay thai for the past 3 years. Must say the ITF guy had some amazing footworks there but his hands were always down and his punches were really bad. Any seasoned Muay Thai practitioner would have knocked him down when he opened his arms. He got lucky that his Muay Thai opponent was an amateur.
@@ahliaw I concur. The way his hands were down really reminds me of wtf, which makes me wonder if his style was some kind of bastardized hybrid of ITF and WTF. What are your thoughts on that, based on your experience?
@@xyaeiounn I agree with your assesment of this particular fighter. Master Choi Hong Hi's style of TKD utilizes principles from karate, judo, jiu-jitsu, muay thai, and other arts that influenced its evolution from taekkyon. The way this guy moved, it's obvious he does not have that background. It would be interesting to see a match with a true chin mu kwan practitioner against a seasoned muay thai practitioner.
@@pattyorigami If he had a background in WTF, he would also be throwing some of those super high kicks in the air for instant knockout. His kicks were real ITF kicks but those hands...am amazed by the fact that he just didn't care. In tournaments, only straight punches. No hooks or uppercuts. But there in the video the ITF guy just swang his arms around without any control, which was very unusual in ITF. Can't tell why such bad hand techniques but he sure needs good, intensive training before people throw punches in his face, esp when he bears the name of ITF 😥
Fr I started watching this channel a couple years ago, since I’ve started Muay Thai and am decent now, I boxed for 3 years but never really applied myself and did Judo for 4 years, got to blue belt then quit but this channel has really helped keep my love for martial arts, I’ve been in a few confrontations and this channel has literally helped me get out of them safely
Fight Commentary Breakdowns I live in a place called Hull in the UK, highest crime rate in England so they aren’t really uncommon, one was just some dudes trying to start shit cos we was playing football on the same pitch and I threw the dude on the floor when he grabbed me, may not sound like much but he backed off after that, if I didn’t keep fighting and learn about it more etc I probably wouldn’t of had the muscle memory to react and put him in his place, another I was walking my dog at night and the same guys grabbed me and it was a pretty full on scrap but only one of the guys wanted to fight so didn’t escalate to much, I landed an elbow and two leg kicks then it got spilt up so I just went home, might not sound like much but the fact I kept fighting made me more prepared for things like these, and your channel is one of the reason I had that muscle memory to react like I did
@@jackturner4237 So you had real world training! But watching a channel that shows fights is the reason you managed to defend yourself? Sounds legit?. Hull has the highest crime rate in the UK?......HULL?🤣🤣 what year was this? When was this? Was it highest rate for shoplifting or disturbing the peace?
There's thousands of ITF Taekwondoin who are superb kickboxers. The guy on this video isn't even all that good even though he has won some tournaments. Good ITF Dojangs work on hands as much as on the feet. Just to name a couple of ITF guys who are great kickboxers, check out Ignacio Cappllonch, Tomaz Barada, and Stephan Tapilatu.
@LUIS ENRIQUE TIMOTEO PEZÚA VÁSQUEZ Cung Le comes from TKD and wrestling. He'd done TKD for about 9 years and wrestling for 5 before he started sanda. He basically chose sanda because it was the sport that allowed him to use his two styles at the same time. I'm sure sanda added to his extensive TKD and wrestling repertoire too.
Muay Thai guy like you said, definitely not a pro. Kicks to the leg, and jamming kicks with a knee (by a pro) can stop a lot of TKD kicks. TKD guy has good kicks, and one punch combo, backhand and ridgehand on the front hand, and rear cross- but it works.
Can't tell you how many times I instinctively threw a spinning kick or side kick when I first started muay thai, and any of the guys who were really good would set me on my ass with either a teep or leg kick to the back of my legs 😂
RC Stepping in at an angle with a low kick can fuck side kicks up when timed and placed properly. That, and any decent Muay Thai fighter knows how to use clinches, knees, and elbows to get in and do some major damage up close. No matter how you slice it, this Muay Thai guy was a total beginner who has no business representing the martial art.
The ITF guy needs to work on straight punches, I have a hard time beleiving he's pro, he'd get destroyed in the light contact tournaments I see nowdays.
@@johnpjones1775 ITF is supposed to take punches seriously because punches to the face are allowed unlike WTF, they even take you to cross train with boxers sometimes.
ITF is an amateur sport, I have a hard time understanding what they mean by ITF "PRO". There are very few irregular "pro" events in ITF but you definitely can't make a living just by competing in ITF
@Spinning Back-Kick not really, national team members in some countries like Russia might be government funded but its nothing compared to olympic sports or professional sports
@@unchocoenchina568 So? You would say that his movements are not Muay Thai? Basically that's what every wingchun practitioners said when wingchun fighters lose 🤣🤣🤣. And that is hipocrisy.
@@mrnobody6354 He is definitely not a terrible boxer, he just keeps his distance from his opponent resulting in not needing to use many hands and also probably keeps his energy. Either way ide know he'd knock you out 🤣
Anyone can knock down anyone else on any given day regardless of style Trading strikes is dangerous, it's never a sure thing. This is a good reminder of that
It's called dobok. Our traditional uniform in ITF Taekwon-Do. Wondering how I know? Of course I can research, bcuz I practice ITF Taekwon-Do lol. Love it so much.
To explain the "switch kick", you generally want to throw roundhouse kicks from the rear leg to have decent power. A roundhouse kick from the front leg is just a flick of your knee, which is a bit more common in point sparring styles like WTF TKD. In kickboxing / muay thai they want to do heavy "baseball bat" style roundhouse kicks, which means it's necessary to step or switch if you want to use your lead leg. You don't need to switch if you're doing something like a defensive teep.
This just shows it's really the fighter not the style. People get too caught up in styles. We're seeing a amateur muay thai vs a professional TKD guy. Your style doesn't guarantee a win
This tkd guy is super interesting, usually you see people set up telegraphed kicks by using punches but he seems to be using his kicks to set up more telegraphed punches
Cool! Ipractice taekwondo and for me this is the 5 best styles for kick 5-muay thai (very strong but the next have more kicks) 4-savate 3-karate 2-capoeira 1-taekwondo Its my opinion and any styles of kungfu are really really goods (cha quan, tan tui, etc.), how tkd but i dont know much about this :'^ Thanks for the video ^^
@@andrewk.5575 well, I hope I can explain it well, muay thai can do most of the kicks of the other martial arts mentioned, but normally it does not use them in addition each art uses different forms of kicking so to speak, savate, karate and taekwondo (the descendants of kungfu xD) mainly use a way where leg flexion and extension is used in a remarkable way, in muay thai also but not so much and that system used by other martial arts helps them with certain feints or combinations, capoeira uses its arms to project his kick (like some taekwondo kicks and most of the kungfu swivel), but the capoeira specializes in turns, kicking, surprise attacks and good for those reasons I put them up. As for boxing the savate and karate are fine but I said style to kick. and as for the kungfu there is everything but I don't know what styles they use than what they do is that they use good setbacks and kicks both rotating and front and have a lot of floor but as I said divided into many styles so I did not include it.
How many comments I see saying “that’s not Muay Thai”=0 How many comments I see making fun of guys that make fun of dudes that say it’s not Muay Thai =infinite
@Spinning Back-Kick I was talking about how kung fu lovers are so quick to defend their art as opposed to Muay Tai lovers, who are not as defensive becauae Muay Tai has already recieved respect. Also, most people do not know sanda is kung fu which perpetuates this defensive reaction against noobs or uninformed people.
I’ve done Muay Thai a couple years and this dude is worse than me, 0 defense and poor choice of kicks, idk if clinch is allowed here I’m guessing not but he should’ve fought on the inside knowing the taekwando dude can’t punch for shit
J Y not really, in Muay Thai they kick the shit out of you, elbow you, punch you and knee you, only this guys kicks were a threat so he should clearly of just fought on the inside and if he had any ability he’d of won. It’s nice to just go for the ‘oh he’s in the RUclips comments better assume he knows nothing’ but it’s not always true
@@mulhollanddrivehobo6910 we know how to punch of course we are not kickboxers or mma fighters we lack on some things but let me tell you we can punch as a matter fact In my case at least i punch better than i kick and i tent to use others styles i have learned such as Boxing and BJJ (Bjj one friend of mine is purple belt and we usually roll im white belt in Bjj) at least in my case i adapt to other styles and i discard what is useless but to sup up TKD ITF is really good at least here in Argentina ...Search for Lucas Pini he is great
I've only been training western boxing and muay thai for 2 years, it's clear neither fighter have well trained hands. In the battle of range kicking, the itf fighter was much sharper with his strikes. This same scenario happened to me in my very first sparring session, I couldn't figure out how to dodge a good teep/sidekick game lol.
I'm in mui tay and honestly I cannot tell what he is trying to do, be isn't really using his knees and elbows to his advantage, and iij know the taekwondo guy can prevent that using distance but honestly I'm seeing some openings that he is just not going for and it just baffles me
2:41 everything after this exchange, because of that final kick, was just ego getting battered. The smaller man was beaten right there and after that persisted because people were watching. I would have called it right there. Ego, especially in front of peers, can drive a man to snap city and even permanent residency in Injury valley. The ego will shred the body to preserve itself.
ITF TKD is the combat version of TKD a good ITF TKD practitioner would shit on Muay Thai practitioner the variation in attack is far superior, especially if the TKD practitioner mixes with some boxing, WTF doesn't attack the head with fists in ITF every attack thinkable is permitted their tournaments are full contact no nonsense events I'd rate it above full contact karate as well.
It is possible that maybe it is that, i do Muay Thai, and let me tell you, people who do this art are pretty much self confident, but is also possible that this Muay Thai guy is just plain bad, or maybe the TKD guy is too good.Anyways merit for tkd guy
@Spinning Back-Kick Well my english is not that good. Let me try again. Muay Thai guys generally think they are the best striking art. Several times to prove their superiority they set up a challenge match between a challenger, usually, but not always, a black belt or advanced student in a another striking art (tae kwon do, kung fu etc) against one of their relatively new students, for example a "less than one year" practitioner. To show that their beginners are better than the advanced students of other styles.
Being sincere until the 2000s Muay Thai was pretty much the best striking art because of their training nowdays other striking arts have step up or improved their game to be competitive against Muay Thai.
He beat an amateur that was smaller than him. It’s like saying hey let’s watch an unfair fight and complement ITF and say Thai guy is bad and doing wrong.
Good match. It’s a very good example for managing the distance. The MT guy is not able to answer those side kicks properly. As said the tkd guy has horrible punches and poor clinching but his kicks are awesome and well timed.
The thing is wtf dose not work in real fights itf dose so itf is much better at fighting than wtf because itf kicks hard also they do punches and blocks wtf dose not kick hard or block or punch
I wonder if legs kicks weren't aloud. Would be a strange rule but the Muay Thai fighter not throwing any seemed odd. Still though, think the TKD fighter could be great if he learned a little boxing. Tightening up the form on his punches would do wonders, he leaves himself way too open. Though hey, it got the job done.
The Muay Thai guy wanted to do a fake tip with his left leg and followed up with a right roundhouse kick if I am not wrong. That is a typical movement in Muay Thai. Just that he failed.
I've been training in muay thai for 6 or 7 years now. But this thai fighter probably had only been training for about 6 months.i can tell because of his footwork and his clinch skill But the way he stepped into the switch kick was just a lack of knowledge, Or not being able to find his foot placement. He was trying to use the lead foot because he wanted to switch up his kicks. So there not as predictable
Well i do Muay Thai, maybe he kicked with back leg because he wanted to deliver more power to the kick, since front leg kick always will be weaker because you can't do the whole momentum, anyways Muay Thai stance should be left in front and right behind. Or maybe he is just bad with right kick so he changed to kick with his strongest leg
The guys representing Muay Thai is from China, I'm not sure if that gym is self taught through movies.. it doesn't make any sense why he moves that way
I’ve done both tkd and muay thai and sparred with pro muay thai fighters and national champs for tkd. The mauy thai dude is completely overwhelmed and doesn’t know what he’s doing. Can’t throw kicks for shit and can’t throw punches any better, I’m not sure he’s qualified to be a coach or actually learnt mauy thai properly
THIS A JOKE GUYS!! TRUE story behind this: This is a tae kwon do gym hence the lack of ring and bags. Anyone who has ever done muay Thai knows you never train in a 'facility like this (it even has mirrors!) So the TKD guys put on thai shorts and elected one of the TKD kids to spar hence the external cup the mauy thai guy is wearing!! Long story made short this is skilled tae Kwon Do guy against an unskilled Tae Kwon do guy. EVERYONE in the gym is TKD simply wearing muay thai shorts. This was an elaborate hoax to boost membership at the TKD class. Muay Thai will almost always win in a match of skill and grit BUT tae kwon do has some amazing kicks that really do work!!
There are levels to this. What we have here is an athletic practitioner of TKD not a good fighter but kicks with bad intentions vs a dude that is non athletic and would be rated as a non combative practitioner of Muay Thai at best.
No ide say he'd pretty much knock u out m8, he just keeps his distance from the opponent so ends up not using much hands and that probably saves him alot of energy. Also this is an ITF TAEKWANDO FIGHTER not a WTF TAEKWANDO ATHLETE, wtf is a sport in the Olympics and uses kicking for 90% of sparring and ITF is the traditional taekwando that equals to say kickboxing.
@@davidkelly8145 of course you cant compare this to a modern combative match such as the UFC this is a small inside community of martial artists admiring the itf taekwando
Mismatch. The taekwondo guy, if you can take that initial kick and get in close, you've won. He turns into fucking woody from Toy story as soon as you're too close to kick. How many times does he show his back to his opposition... Just looking to have an elbow around his neck. I wonder, in a real fight, what would happen if you aimed a solid punch to his knee mid kick. You'd probably hurt your hand if you haven't conditioned it. But I reckon that would be a fight stopper.
doesnt rili represent mt that well, he cant clinch, has bad form and stance, poor defense, doesnt rili show much of attack prowess, . id say hes just a guy who went to a muay thai school.. props to the itf guy who didnt fail expectations.
Nobody watching this should feel insecure about Muay Thai. MT has proven itself thousands of times over in every ruleset it can practically comply with. Just let TKD have this one people. They could use the break.
I do TKD before transitioning to MT, given that the nak muay is an amateur, I guess he just trew tgat game. I've never seen a powerful legkick, push kick,, even the punches are not powerful
I'm a 3rd dan in WTF TKD, I've pretty much walked away from the martial art. It has some legitimate factors but overall, ineffective. With that said, I've always been of the opinion that ITF TKD is a different martial art. WTF is glorified foot tag, ITF is Korean kickboxing(without punches).
@@igorkim5221 certainly but the hand/punching technique is no where near as proficient as a thai boxer, or a western boxer. Personally when i envision a TKD practitioner WTF or ITF i'm seeing a jump spin roundhouse or a wheel kick. I'm not envisioning a jab, hook combo or the like.
T1gerface Obviously ITF punching is nowhere near Western boxing and most itfers have shitty punching mechanics , however kickboxing is a wide term that includes a variety of disciplines ranging from point fighting and light continuous (which is extremely similar to ITF ) to full contact k1. Saying "Kickboxing without punches " makes no sense
Everybody has a plan til they get haymakered by an ITF Taekwondo champ.
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Nah it was kime ysot
@Joe Kerr no that's wtf taekwando that uses legs, itf is basically kickboxing idiot
Shut up that Muay Thai guy was not a good fighter 🙄
Specialists are still important. If it weren't for Andy Hug's karate background, who knows how much longer it would've taken for his axe kicks and spin kicks to become more popular in kickboxing/MMA. Rule limitations can sometimes force fighters to be creative in ways that MMA doesn't, because there are so many different ways to win an MMA fight that it's hard to control all the variables. So MMA needs to learn from great fighters who specialize in only one discipline like boxing, any flavor of wrestling, judo, any flavor of kickboxing, BJJ, and full contact forms of karate and TKD. Great specialists add to the overall wealth of martial arts knowledge and improve MMA even if they never step into the cage.
Ikr that's what makes watching fights so entertaining. I will never forget when I learned that "MMA" is actually a style on it's own and every mma fighter fought the same way. Fights are more entertaining when high level guys specialise in one art
rip to the blue eyed samurai
@@dramaticreaper MMA is not truly a style and not every MMA fighter fights the same way. For example, Ronda Rousey ruled MMA for years and she wasn't much more than a judoka with naturally heavy hands.
Mirko turned many of his MMA matches into K-1 matches. Sakaraba and Minowa's MMA matches often looked like something out of a Fujiwara Gumi pro wrestling match etc etc.
@@TheAGNOSTIC_who_YT_CENSORS nah man i was talking about how it used to be about diversity and basically in today's time "MMA" doesn't really even mean mixed martial arts anymore and is more of a style if it's own and all MMA fighters fights just about the same way
@@dramaticreaper Yes, and I was disagreeing with all of that for reasons previously stated. I totally disagree with your implied claim that Marcus Aurelio fights anything like Quinton Jackson.
What COULD be said is that MMA is a style modifier. For example; Lyota Machida's MMA karate is different from a full contact karate competition, Yair Rodriguez's MMA taekwondo is different from a taekwondo competition, Hidehiko Yoshida's MMA judo is different from a judo competition, Miriam Nakamoto's MMA Muay Thai is different from a Muay Thai match, Marcus Aurelio's MMA capoeira is different from a capoeira demonstration, Connor McGregor's MMA boxing is VERY different from a boxing match, Royce Gracie's MMA BJJ is different from a BJJ competition, Dan Severn's MMA wrestling is different from a wrestling match etc.
Yes, there are certainly such things as generalists in MMA and at the end of the day, there are only so many ways to strike, choke, twist or slam a noncompliant opponent (and we're still discovering/rediscovering new ones) but there is no empty hand combat sport today more versatile than MMA. In that sense, MMA is not in the same category as boxing or BJJ. It's not really a style of fighting but perhaps it could be said it's a style of training.
As a practitioner of ITF TKD for 27 years, I have to say that tkd guy's punching technique is not a good representation of how we utilize our hands. His kicks were top notch and there's definitely the more aggressive brawler mentality I'm used to, but he's holding his hands like a WTF guy and swinging with no control. Despite that, I am impressed with how he uses his awesome kicks to recover when his sloppy punches miss. I will admit this definitely looks like a mismatch, though. As much as it pains me to say it, I think a bigger, more seasoned Muay Thai fighter might have beat him.
Also TKD guy here, a Thai-boxer with stronger basics might have destroyed his kicking leg or attacked his base leg and floored him. I've seen Kyokushin beginners flatten TKD champions with basic moves outside the ITF/WTF skillset.
Am also an ITF practitioner for over 10 years and have been practising muay thai for the past 3 years. Must say the ITF guy had some amazing footworks there but his hands were always down and his punches were really bad. Any seasoned Muay Thai practitioner would have knocked him down when he opened his arms. He got lucky that his Muay Thai opponent was an amateur.
@@ahliaw I concur. The way his hands were down really reminds me of wtf, which makes me wonder if his style was some kind of bastardized hybrid of ITF and WTF. What are your thoughts on that, based on your experience?
@@xyaeiounn I agree with your assesment of this particular fighter. Master Choi Hong Hi's style of TKD utilizes principles from karate, judo, jiu-jitsu, muay thai, and other arts that influenced its evolution from taekkyon. The way this guy moved, it's obvious he does not have that background. It would be interesting to see a match with a true chin mu kwan practitioner against a seasoned muay thai practitioner.
@@pattyorigami If he had a background in WTF, he would also be throwing some of those super high kicks in the air for instant knockout. His kicks were real ITF kicks but those hands...am amazed by the fact that he just didn't care. In tournaments, only straight punches. No hooks or uppercuts. But there in the video the ITF guy just swang his arms around without any control, which was very unusual in ITF. Can't tell why such bad hand techniques but he sure needs good, intensive training before people throw punches in his face, esp when he bears the name of ITF 😥
Fr I started watching this channel a couple years ago, since I’ve started Muay Thai and am decent now, I boxed for 3 years but never really applied myself and did Judo for 4 years, got to blue belt then quit but this channel has really helped keep my love for martial arts, I’ve been in a few confrontations and this channel has literally helped me get out of them safely
Wow! Thanks for sharing your journey! Tell me more about the confrontations!
Fight Commentary Breakdowns I live in a place called Hull in the UK, highest crime rate in England so they aren’t really uncommon, one was just some dudes trying to start shit cos we was playing football on the same pitch and I threw the dude on the floor when he grabbed me, may not sound like much but he backed off after that, if I didn’t keep fighting and learn about it more etc I probably wouldn’t of had the muscle memory to react and put him in his place, another I was walking my dog at night and the same guys grabbed me and it was a pretty full on scrap but only one of the guys wanted to fight so didn’t escalate to much, I landed an elbow and two leg kicks then it got spilt up so I just went home, might not sound like much but the fact I kept fighting made me more prepared for things like these, and your channel is one of the reason I had that muscle memory to react like I did
@@jackturner4237 So you had real world training! But watching a channel that shows fights is the reason you managed to defend yourself? Sounds legit?.
Hull has the highest crime rate in the UK?......HULL?🤣🤣 what year was this?
When was this?
Was it highest rate for shoplifting or disturbing the peace?
First time I've seen a effective tkd fighter, he should try some boxing, will be ready to fight kickboxing tournaments.
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@@subsonic9854 ok
There's thousands of ITF Taekwondoin who are superb kickboxers.
The guy on this video isn't even all that good even though he has won some tournaments.
Good ITF Dojangs work on hands as much as on the feet.
Just to name a couple of ITF guys who are great kickboxers, check out Ignacio Cappllonch, Tomaz Barada, and Stephan Tapilatu.
That's cuz they cross train their taekwondo with muay thai kickboxing. Especially ignacio
@@IlyuuJrry34 exactly. Why not do both. Like your stuck with one choice lmaoo. Im not saying eithef is better, im saying do both
@KukkiwonWT absolutly! I think its also important to have a specialty, and be just good enough at the rest to funnel people to that. Mine is judo.
I've always felt TKD was a bit unfairly hated. Cung Le was a TKD fighter (TKD + wrestling, anyway) and he had amazing success with his kicks in MMA.
@LUIS ENRIQUE TIMOTEO PEZÚA VÁSQUEZ Cung Le comes from TKD and wrestling. He'd done TKD for about 9 years and wrestling for 5 before he started sanda. He basically chose sanda because it was the sport that allowed him to use his two styles at the same time. I'm sure sanda added to his extensive TKD and wrestling repertoire too.
Muay Thai guy like you said, definitely not a pro. Kicks to the leg, and jamming kicks with a knee (by a pro) can stop a lot of TKD kicks. TKD guy has good kicks, and one punch combo, backhand and ridgehand on the front hand, and rear cross- but it works.
Can't tell you how many times I instinctively threw a spinning kick or side kick when I first started muay thai, and any of the guys who were really good would set me on my ass with either a teep or leg kick to the back of my legs 😂
Taekwondo guy just need to learn how to land 1-2 properly to become a freaking kickboxer
Exatamente o que eu tava pensando
I did some boxing and a tiny bit of muahy Thai and now I’m going into itf tkd
0 low kicks from Muay Thai fighter.
RC
Stepping in at an angle with a low kick can fuck side kicks up when timed and placed properly. That, and any decent Muay Thai fighter knows how to use clinches, knees, and elbows to get in and do some major damage up close. No matter how you slice it, this Muay Thai guy was a total beginner who has no business representing the martial art.
Yep he was outmatched so he didn't manage to get anything off
Stop making excuses, the Muai Thai guy lost. Take the L.
The ITF guy needs to work on straight punches, I have a hard time beleiving he's pro, he'd get destroyed in the light contact tournaments I see nowdays.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. This was in 2007...
well TKD doesn't really do much punching so what do you expect?
@@johnpjones1775 ITF is supposed to take punches seriously because punches to the face are allowed unlike WTF, they even take you to cross train with boxers sometimes.
ITF is an amateur sport, I have a hard time understanding what they mean by ITF "PRO". There are very few irregular "pro" events in ITF but you definitely can't make a living just by competing in ITF
@Spinning Back-Kick not really, national team members in some countries like Russia might be government funded but its nothing compared to olympic sports or professional sports
People who said "that's not Muay Thai" is basically the same like the guy who said "that's not wingchun" 🤣🤣🤣
the muai thai guy wears Muai Thai clothes, but his moves don't look like Muai Thai...maybe like a beginner
EXACTLY
@@unchocoenchina568 beginner or not, it's still Muay Thai
@@unchocoenchina568 So? You would say that his movements are not Muay Thai? Basically that's what every wingchun practitioners said when wingchun fighters lose 🤣🤣🤣. And that is hipocrisy.
@@ahmadnurzam7402 it's not about feelings or hipocrisy. It's a hard fact.
Deadass my favourite RUclips channel
This was so cool!
Both styles can be truly devistating in the right hands, and you showed how and how not!
That's the best TKD I've ever seen vs. the worst Muay Thai I've ever seen!
TKD guy is a terrible boxer but a decent kicker. MT guy is a terrible boxer and an even worse kicker.
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@@mrnobody6354 He is definitely not a terrible boxer, he just keeps his distance from his opponent resulting in not needing to use many hands and also probably keeps his energy. Either way ide know he'd knock you out 🤣
As a practitioner of a Korean martial art, I'm gonna say that Muay Thai dude has never done any full contact sparring.
Maybe ever.
omg, your commentary is awesome. I wouldn't watch it without you :D
You can call WTF TKD olympic TKD, because that's what it is.
Thanks for that. Good idea. And it’s easier for laymen to understand that too.
"dAtz NoT mUaY tHaI!"
This taekwondo guy is no joke. ITF is a more effective style than WTF though.
ITF Is lethal. No disrespect to WTF guys but it’s mainly flying kicks and no hand strikes that is why I practice ITF.
Anyone can knock down anyone else on any given day regardless of style
Trading strikes is dangerous, it's never a sure thing. This is a good reminder of that
It's called dobok. Our traditional uniform in ITF Taekwon-Do. Wondering how I know? Of course I can research, bcuz I practice ITF Taekwon-Do lol. Love it so much.
To explain the "switch kick", you generally want to throw roundhouse kicks from the rear leg to have decent power. A roundhouse kick from the front leg is just a flick of your knee, which is a bit more common in point sparring styles like WTF TKD. In kickboxing / muay thai they want to do heavy "baseball bat" style roundhouse kicks, which means it's necessary to step or switch if you want to use your lead leg. You don't need to switch if you're doing something like a defensive teep.
This just shows it's really the fighter not the style. People get too caught up in styles. We're seeing a amateur muay thai vs a professional TKD guy. Your style doesn't guarantee a win
Tkd dude gets his knee (so leg) up so fast and can stifle any strike the muay Thai guy tries to set up.
The taekwondo guy can scrap.honestly those punches looked like they hurt.
I think the Muay Thai guy was scarred as fuck. Look at how frantic he is in the beginning, hands very jittery, no rhythm.
Very good video
What we have here is a failure to -communicate- manage distance.
So far, 3 WTFers have disliked this video.
Definitely xd
This tkd guy is super interesting, usually you see people set up telegraphed kicks by using punches but he seems to be using his kicks to set up more telegraphed punches
Cool! Ipractice taekwondo and for me this is the 5 best styles for kick
5-muay thai (very strong but the next have more kicks)
4-savate
3-karate
2-capoeira
1-taekwondo
Its my opinion and any styles of kungfu are really really goods (cha quan, tan tui, etc.), how tkd but i dont know much about this :'^
Thanks for the video ^^
@@andrewk.5575 well, I hope I can explain it well, muay thai can do most of the kicks of the other martial arts mentioned, but normally it does not use them in addition each art uses different forms of kicking so to speak, savate, karate and taekwondo (the descendants of kungfu xD) mainly use a way where leg flexion and extension is used in a remarkable way, in muay thai also but not so much and that system used by other martial arts helps them with certain feints or combinations, capoeira uses its arms to project his kick (like some taekwondo kicks and most of the kungfu swivel), but the capoeira specializes in turns, kicking, surprise attacks and good for those reasons I put them up. As for boxing the savate and karate are fine but I said style to kick. and as for the kungfu there is everything but I don't know what styles they use than what they do is that they use good setbacks and kicks both rotating and front and have a lot of floor but as I said divided into many styles so I did not include it.
How many comments I see saying “that’s not Muay Thai”=0
How many comments I see making fun of guys that make fun of dudes that say it’s not Muay Thai =infinite
That is because Muay Tai has won respect in hard core competition. Kung fu has not, yet. It slowly is, though.
@Spinning Back-Kick I am aware of that, but I am talking about more advanced kung fu techniques that we do not see in sanda.
@Spinning Back-Kick I was talking about how kung fu lovers are so quick to defend their art as opposed to Muay Tai lovers, who are not as defensive becauae Muay Tai has already recieved respect. Also, most people do not know sanda is kung fu which perpetuates this defensive reaction against noobs or uninformed people.
@Spinning Back-Kick No thanks, I will continue to talk about it. I appreciate your recommendation, though.
@Spinning Back-Kick Well now I do.
General Choi would approve ..
He just need a little bit of punch work.
I’ve done Muay Thai a couple years and this dude is worse than me, 0 defense and poor choice of kicks, idk if clinch is allowed here I’m guessing not but he should’ve fought on the inside knowing the taekwando dude can’t punch for shit
It's a lot harder to do that shit when you're getting completely out kicked lol. RUclips comments man lmao.
J Y not really, in Muay Thai they kick the shit out of you, elbow you, punch you and knee you, only this guys kicks were a threat so he should clearly of just fought on the inside and if he had any ability he’d of won. It’s nice to just go for the ‘oh he’s in the RUclips comments better assume he knows nothing’ but it’s not always true
Watch.more.ITF i.mean i respect all TMA and.MMA but tkd itf is.really.good we.lack a bit on the ground but here in Argentina we.are beasts
And the last sequence is a tournament so its not a real sparring watch itf in general if u can greetings
TKD need to learn how to punch properly, more important than ground sometimes.
@@mulhollanddrivehobo6910 we know how to punch of course we are not kickboxers or mma fighters we lack on some things but let me tell you we can punch as a matter fact In my case at least i punch better than i kick and i tent to use others styles i have learned such as Boxing and BJJ (Bjj one friend of mine is purple belt and we usually roll im white belt in Bjj) at least in my case i adapt to other styles and i discard what is useless but to sup up TKD ITF is really good at least here in Argentina ...Search for Lucas Pini he is great
You sound like a Peter Parker should sound.
Looks like the Chinese mountain with gold on top of it, with this one.
Nice job taekwondo stylist
If only that ITF guy got a decent jab or a Superman punch to mix in so he could feint a kick. Not that he wasn’t still a badass.
I've only been training western boxing and muay thai for 2 years, it's clear neither fighter have well trained hands. In the battle of range kicking, the itf fighter was much sharper with his strikes. This same scenario happened to me in my very first sparring session, I couldn't figure out how to dodge a good teep/sidekick game lol.
Show us Pugilist Guan and Snow Wolf! ;)
If he learns to box he will be unstopable. He already knows how to mix kicking with punch and he kicks like a beast
你的英文说的真好。发音非常正
I'm in mui tay and honestly I cannot tell what he is trying to do, be isn't really using his knees and elbows to his advantage, and iij know the taekwondo guy can prevent that using distance but honestly I'm seeing some openings that he is just not going for and it just baffles me
2:41 everything after this exchange, because of that final kick, was just ego getting battered. The smaller man was beaten right there and after that persisted because people were watching. I would have called it right there. Ego, especially in front of peers, can drive a man to snap city and even permanent residency in Injury valley.
The ego will shred the body to preserve itself.
ITF TKD is the combat version of TKD a good ITF TKD practitioner would shit on Muay Thai practitioner the variation in attack is far superior, especially if the TKD practitioner mixes with some boxing, WTF doesn't attack the head with fists in ITF every attack thinkable is permitted their tournaments are full contact no nonsense events I'd rate it above full contact karate as well.
Bullshit
TKD be Praised! 💪
So you're telling me a black belt in TKD is equivalent to a beginner in Muay Thai?
How were they at all equal lmao.
Surely the Muay Thai guys wanted to brag and set the fight with a beginner. I have seen this.
It is possible that maybe it is that, i do Muay Thai, and let me tell you, people who do this art are pretty much self confident, but is also possible that this Muay Thai guy is just plain bad, or maybe the TKD guy is too good.Anyways merit for tkd guy
@Spinning Back-Kick Well my english is not that good. Let me try again. Muay Thai guys generally think they are the best striking art. Several times to prove their superiority they set up a challenge match between a challenger, usually, but not always, a black belt or advanced student in a another striking art (tae kwon do, kung fu etc) against one of their relatively new students, for example a "less than one year" practitioner. To show that their beginners are better than the advanced students of other styles.
Being sincere until the 2000s Muay Thai was pretty much the best striking art because of their training nowdays other striking arts have step up or improved their game to be competitive against Muay Thai.
@12:20, why would he call that a question mark kick? Looks like a spinning side kick.
@@min009 what are you talking about. You still have to chamber the kick, even basic side kick
this goes to show how underrated itf is
He beat an amateur that was smaller than him. It’s like saying hey let’s watch an unfair fight and complement ITF and say Thai guy is bad and doing wrong.
Tkd guys legs are amazing
Guys in the comment section: "That's not Muay Thai"... Gosh you're all the same!!
ikr?
That’s Muay Thai just low level
@@nicklesm202 Just like "low level Wing Chun" when Wing Chun gets its ass kicked?...
Good match. It’s a very good example for managing the distance. The MT guy is not able to answer those side kicks properly. As said the tkd guy has horrible punches and poor clinching but his kicks are awesome and well timed.
The thing is wtf dose not work in real fights itf dose so itf is much better at fighting than wtf because itf kicks hard also they do punches and blocks wtf dose not kick hard or block or punch
I wonder if legs kicks weren't aloud. Would be a strange rule but the Muay Thai fighter not throwing any seemed odd. Still though, think the TKD fighter could be great if he learned a little boxing. Tightening up the form on his punches would do wonders, he leaves himself way too open. Though hey, it got the job done.
I've seen plenty of videos were Muay Thai destroys taekwondo and karate fighter's but that was actually Muay Thai, not sure what this is
@Spinning Back-Kick Are u saying Muay Thai will lose to those styles? Lmao
Real Muay Thai is the deadliest striking art there is
@Spinning Back-Kick lol, show me and I'll judge for myself
B T Muay Thai > taekwondo 90% of the time
Solid kick
The Muay Thai guy wanted to do a fake tip with his left leg and followed up with a right roundhouse kick if I am not wrong. That is a typical movement in Muay Thai. Just that he failed.
I've been training in muay thai for 6 or 7 years now. But this thai fighter probably had only been training for about 6 months.i can tell because of his footwork and his clinch skill But the way he stepped into the switch kick was just a lack of knowledge, Or not being able to find his foot placement. He was trying to use the lead foot because he wanted to switch up his kicks. So there not as predictable
That video is so old.
Ah the video I dropped in the commentsection in the last TKD video.. Muay Thai guy has many years of training behind him
So interesting. Is you have any links to the Muay Thai guy?
Well i do Muay Thai, maybe he kicked with back leg because he wanted to deliver more power to the kick, since front leg kick always will be weaker because you can't do the whole momentum, anyways Muay Thai stance should be left in front and right behind.
Or maybe he is just bad with right kick so he changed to kick with his strongest leg
The guys representing Muay Thai is from China, I'm not sure if that gym is self taught through movies.. it doesn't make any sense why he moves that way
I haven't watched it yet but GO TAEKWONDO GUY!
I’ve done both tkd and muay thai and sparred with pro muay thai fighters and national champs for tkd. The mauy thai dude is completely overwhelmed and doesn’t know what he’s doing. Can’t throw kicks for shit and can’t throw punches any better, I’m not sure he’s qualified to be a coach or actually learnt mauy thai properly
THIS A JOKE GUYS!! TRUE story behind this: This is a tae kwon do gym hence the lack of ring and bags. Anyone who has ever done muay Thai knows you never train in a 'facility like this (it even has mirrors!) So the TKD guys put on thai shorts and elected one of the TKD kids to spar hence the external cup the mauy thai guy is wearing!! Long story made short this is skilled tae Kwon Do guy against an unskilled Tae Kwon do guy. EVERYONE in the gym is TKD simply wearing muay thai shorts. This was an elaborate hoax to boost membership at the TKD class. Muay Thai will almost always win in a match of skill and grit BUT tae kwon do has some amazing kicks that really do work!!
There are levels to this. What we have here is an athletic practitioner of TKD not a good fighter but kicks with bad intentions vs a dude that is non athletic and would be rated as a non combative practitioner of Muay Thai at best.
@Spinning Back-Kick in what the real world refers to as fighting his amateur at best.
@Spinning Back-Kick lol his a pro TKD fighter oh no wait you boob his an amateur which one is it? Is there even a thing as a pro TKD fighter?
No ide say he'd pretty much knock u out m8, he just keeps his distance from the opponent so ends up not using much hands and that probably saves him alot of energy. Also this is an ITF TAEKWANDO FIGHTER not a WTF TAEKWANDO ATHLETE, wtf is a sport in the Olympics and uses kicking for 90% of sparring and ITF is the traditional taekwando that equals to say kickboxing.
@@samford2442 buy a TV turn on a modern combative match and compare it to this.
@@davidkelly8145 of course you cant compare this to a modern combative match such as the UFC this is a small inside community of martial artists admiring the itf taekwando
It's painful to see a muay thai fighter lose to someone that won't even keep his hands up.
Hard to believe. Something isn't right
Loved his back fists
Mismatch.
The taekwondo guy, if you can take that initial kick and get in close, you've won. He turns into fucking woody from Toy story as soon as you're too close to kick.
How many times does he show his back to his opposition... Just looking to have an elbow around his neck.
I wonder, in a real fight, what would happen if you aimed a solid punch to his knee mid kick. You'd probably hurt your hand if you haven't conditioned it. But I reckon that would be a fight stopper.
尼個黑帶跆拳道好有實戰能力，真估唔到!又以為係唔打得.之類。
doesnt rili represent mt that well, he cant clinch, has bad form and stance, poor defense, doesnt rili show much of attack prowess, . id say hes just a guy who went to a muay thai school.. props to the itf guy who didnt fail expectations.
TKD guy vs Cung Le. I want to see it
bontakun Smaller guys have won before
He is the Thai Art Jimmerson (one pad) 🤣
Nobody watching this should feel insecure about Muay Thai. MT has proven itself thousands of times over in every ruleset it can practically comply with. Just let TKD have this one people. They could use the break.
1st.
Fook you
He is a black belt in teakwondo and look at that muaythai guys is still amateur
Black belt vs a beginner muay thai🤣😂
nice, finally tkd wins
Bro was shook after that haymaker
I'm not a professional but that was a draw given the many layers Involved and perspective I looked at it through lol
Probably ringing the same bell as other but yeah the TKD Guy needs to learn to use his hands. And the Muay Thai Guy Needs more experience.
its like the mt guy isnt even trying, if it wasnt amateur setting id say he sold the match
I do TKD before transitioning to MT, given that the nak muay is an amateur, I guess he just trew tgat game. I've never seen a powerful legkick, push kick,, even the punches are not powerful
Well did u do itf or wtf taekwando?
Chinese's style is Kung-Fu Or Sanda , not Muay Thai.
Come on people, this is the fact, 1 lose and 1 win 😅
i guess low kick, elbow and knee aren't allowed in that fight? still a good fight tho,
it's just their fighting experience difference are too much
Muay Thai guy looks sick
TKD guy needs better punches and to clench, also hands up and he will be ok. His punches are weak though.
Heii....yooo... You make lose people look bad....😮
I'm a 3rd dan in WTF TKD, I've pretty much walked away from the martial art. It has some legitimate factors but overall, ineffective. With that said, I've always been of the opinion that ITF TKD is a different martial art.
WTF is glorified foot tag, ITF is Korean kickboxing(without punches).
What do you mean without punching? Itf is very similar wako light continuous kickboxing
@@igorkim5221 certainly but the hand/punching technique is no where near as proficient as a thai boxer, or a western boxer. Personally when i envision a TKD practitioner WTF or ITF i'm seeing a jump spin roundhouse or a wheel kick. I'm not envisioning a jab, hook combo or the like.
T1gerface Obviously ITF punching is nowhere near Western boxing and most itfers have shitty punching mechanics , however kickboxing is a wide term that includes a variety of disciplines ranging from point fighting and light continuous (which is extremely similar to ITF ) to full contact k1. Saying "Kickboxing without punches " makes no sense
@@igorkim5221 It makes perfect sense in the context of the point i was making.
yes, dobok ;)
When there's only leg day
That MT guy is probably drunk, or high...
TWD kicks are godly
But his punches are awful
Exactly!!
taekwondo a good representation of
muay thai not a good representation of as it is the better sport
They are so thin.
"not WTF" . Lol
Yeah, that abbrevation was not the best choice for the federation's name lol