5 SIMPLE Tips for Shooting S-Log3! Sony S-Log3 Exposure Tips for Filmmakers

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  • @NeilFarrimond
    @NeilFarrimond Год назад +3

    Great tutorial and thank you for the simple workflow. Merry Christmas!

  • @JoshConnectMedia
    @JoshConnectMedia 8 месяцев назад +2

    Great show !! Many tutorials out there gets me more confused than ever after watching … but yours , boom !!! Straight up !! Thank you !!

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  8 месяцев назад

      Thanks Josh, glad to hear it helped you!

  • @uphdennyalexander
    @uphdennyalexander 10 месяцев назад

    Thanks! Really helpful🎉

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  10 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks so much Denny, I appreciate it!

    • @uphdennyalexander
      @uphdennyalexander 10 месяцев назад

      @@andrewsaraceni You’re welcome Sir👏👏

    • @atf56
      @atf56 5 месяцев назад

      Why indonasian rupee is so cheap😂

  • @RandumbTech
    @RandumbTech Год назад +4

    Great tips! The only thing I would challenge you on is the ISO's. For static shots, you'll definitely want to optimize for one of the base ISO's. But when in a dynamic lighting environment (run and gun, passing clouds), I've found it's wayyyyyy easier to keep it in Auto ISO and have a consistent exposure compensation of +1.3 dialed in. Sony does a great job with AE so you don't get big jumps like you find with other brands (lookin' right at you Fuji!). It's very difficult to even out exposure in post.
    I use CineMatch for R709 conversion. It has some great tools built-in to get perfect exposure for skin tones and/or grey card. Plus if you are shooting with multiple camera brands, you convert it all to SLOG3 and get near perfect match colors.

    • @zweiche
      @zweiche Год назад

      but you loose dynamic range if you are not in base isos?

    • @RandumbTech
      @RandumbTech Год назад

      @@zweiche If there is a loss of dynamic range, it's not much. Unless you are producing a feature film or paid work, getting a proper exposure is more valuable than a little bit of noise in the footage.

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  Год назад

      Thanks! Yeah I've seen Auto ISO work well in certain situations, but not in others. The "outside of base ISO" scenarios also really depends on the camera. e.g. a7R V ISO 2000 (below high base of 2500) looks better generally than 10000 (below high of 12800) on the a7S III/FX3 given the sensor, MP count, etc.
      And that's good to hear re: CineMatch (also heard good things, but haven't tried it) - definitely an option if you're matching colors and log flavors from different camera makes/models.

    • @zweiche
      @zweiche Год назад

      @@RandumbTech my concern never was noise , since i have davinci studio can work with that, problem was having less DR

    • @uphdennyalexander
      @uphdennyalexander 10 месяцев назад

      May i know what auto iso parameter should it setting for the base and high? Thanks

  • @itsmirakill
    @itsmirakill 3 месяца назад

    My Sony FX3 is on the latest firmware update 5.0 and I don’t have PP8, any tips on how to
    get it?

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  3 месяца назад

      Think they got removed in firmware 2.0+, but you would just select S-Log3 by using the Log Shooting Setting, or you could take one of the other PPs and recreate it (S-Log3, and S-Gamut3.Cine).

  • @426Studios
    @426Studios 7 месяцев назад +4

    Its nice that noise floor is mentioned. Just to add exposure tips: For outdoor exposure, you dont need to overexpose because you your image wont live on the noise floor, which is at around 10IRE before rec709 conversion. So you just need to expose your subject at 41 IRE. Just like with the tip on preventing the clipping of highlights, you just need to set Zebra at 41 but instead use the standard range +-1 option. To be sure you can set it at 42. This is another tip, but you need a Variable ND Filter to use this tip. This may seem counter-intuitive, but for outdoors, its actually better to use your 2nd native ISO as it actually holds more dynamic range on the highlights. Unfortunately you need to use ND filter because obviously the highlights will be clipped with no ND filter on. Conversely, its better to use the lower native ISO on indoors as the lower native ISO actually holds better dynamic range on the shadows. The downside with that is you will need to bring more lights. Also FYI: raising ISO does not actually raise exposure. The camera sensor wont actually receive more light, rather it digitally amplifies the light that it received, does raising the noise floor. Raising ISO should only be the last resort, such as shooting in an event or run n gun shoot that the schedule is so compact that you wont have time to setup lights. For shoots that you can setup lights, you should use native ISO, and again, at least expose your subject at 41 IRE and 51 IRE for subjects with lighter skin tones. You would greatly benefit with the overexposure tips in indoors since its more than likely that your image will sit on the noise floor, but always remember that you should raise your exposure through bumping up your aperture, or by adding in more light. Upping ISO should only be the last resort.

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  7 месяцев назад +2

      Lots of good points here. I tend to use other methods more given run-and-gun shooting vs. controlled set situations, but the grey card 41% IRE tip is another solid measure of exposure.

    • @Dr.k1llermo
      @Dr.k1llermo 6 месяцев назад +1

      This dude commenting the same on every video on youtube about exposure 😂😂

    • @426Studios
      @426Studios 6 месяцев назад

      @@Dr.k1llermo Just sharing on what I've learned on set :D. Its fun sharing those learnings, and sometimes there are replies with new information so it can also be beneficial to me ^_^

    • @steveloudon7491
      @steveloudon7491 2 месяца назад

      As to your first point you say set the zebras to 41 on your subject. I typically shoot travel, lifestyle with a wide lens. There's lots on "subjects" in my clips. If I set the zebras to 41 +- then everything will be clipped. I guess i don't understand the logic behind this. Thanks.

    • @426Studios
      @426Studios 2 месяца назад

      @@steveloudon7491 it really depends on what is your subject, and what's the lighting. It's best to learn Ansel Adam's Zone System to know the best exposure. In the Zone System 50 is the middle Grey but Slog3's middle Grey is 41 so just change it from 50 to 41 as the middle Grey. Light skinned human subject is at 60+ in the Zone System but since 41 is the middle Grey for Slog3, the "right exposure" for light skinned subject would now be at around 51. With this in mind, we could go for another example, if the subject is backlighted then your subject would be in the shadow so you should expose it appropriately like expose it on the 30s maybe at 31 instead of 41. If exposing in the 30s and your image is still clipped, then that just means your subject has fallen more in the lower shadow range and expose it lower in the 20s or even 10s depending on the lighting. If you don't like your subject in the shadows, then you need to light up your subject/subjects. If you don't have lights or lighting just isnt feasible, then you have to compromise by letting your image clipped to expose your subject at 41.

  • @בגושמילר
    @בגושמילר 9 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you very much, you helped me a lot, this is the best video

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  9 месяцев назад

      No problem, glad to hear it helped!

  • @gboyer78
    @gboyer78 7 дней назад

    Is it posible to record SLOG3 outdoors in an environment with changing lights while you are moving ? Like the sun in different positions while moving … what Mode ? A or M ; and what happens to exposure +1.7 changing up and down because of the change of light ??

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  7 дней назад

      Yes this is possible - I'd still go with manual exposure, and aiming for +1 to +2 EV. You'd just need to consider where the scene starts and ends if shooting a sunset or sunrise exposure-wise. e.g. Start higher but not clipping highlights, and ending before it's too low (i.e. before below 0.0 EV).

  • @richardallan2331
    @richardallan2331 Год назад

    Hi Andrew. Merry Christmas. I am a new subscriber. I have just bought a Sony a7R 5. I am primarily a photographer but looking to start doing a bit more video. Looking forward to learning lots from your channel.

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  Год назад

      Merry Christmas Richard, and thanks for the sub! Definitely more Sony and a7R V videos on the way.

  • @pierrienevoldsen
    @pierrienevoldsen 5 месяцев назад

    Thanks a lot! I now also have the A7r V (before I had GH5) but it seems like when in PP8 my zebras only give me signals when set to 80 or less? Not 90 and above? What am I missing? Thanks for a great tutorial

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  5 месяцев назад

      No problem, are you using one of the custom zebra settings - specifically C2 - or one of the pre-defined ones? Check around the 3:45 mark where I talk about how I set things up.

    • @pierrienevoldsen
      @pierrienevoldsen 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@andrewsaraceniThank you for your promt answer . My bad, I was trying to show the stripes by adjusting shutter speed below 1/40 which is not possible. When I use iso instead it’s working fine 😊

  • @Siddardha-ys1fj
    @Siddardha-ys1fj 9 месяцев назад +1

    Great info clearly explained

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks, glad you found it helpful!

  • @taylorsol
    @taylorsol 6 месяцев назад

    Great! where can i access the luts you used in this film?

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  6 месяцев назад

      Thanks Taylor! Depends on which one you're looking for, but they each have their own websites (or you can get s709 from Sony's site).

  • @sbozinovic
    @sbozinovic 8 месяцев назад

    Hi,thanks for the video... One thing, though... I don't get what are you overexposing for 2 stops? I mean, that multimeter measures overall brightness of the image, so what is overexposed, especially when you talk about 94% zebras with rec709 (gamma assist) turned on, which isn't overexposed... Maybe a tad under, since I like my whites around 96%.

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  8 месяцев назад

      No problem, it's mainly "overexposing" with respect to how the MM would measure normal exposure, say with an in-camera color PP. You'd be lifting your image exposure in-camera when shooting log for the benefit of added detail/less noise in the shadows, when bringing it back to a Rec. 709 graded look in post.

    • @NationalCORE1
      @NationalCORE1 4 месяца назад

      @@andrewsaraceni seems like using the MM would be best if using it with a grey card, rather than averaging out all the areas of the screen, no? There's an infinite number of combinations of light and dark and midtones otherwise, and I the MultiMeter doesn't know what I care about in the scene...

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  4 месяца назад

      @@NationalCORE1 In a controlled shoot with center/spot metering with MM, or just zebras set to the gray card, that works fine. But in run and gun situations where you cant dial in everything precisely or have time to use a gray card, MM in multi mode works surprisingly well, once you get comfortable with it.

  • @BackpackingVideos
    @BackpackingVideos 5 месяцев назад

    Great, succint video! Just curious, what ND filter are you using for these shots in this video?

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  5 месяцев назад

      Thanks! I'm using the Peter McKinnon Variable ND filters, the 2-5 and 6-9 stops.

  • @Nypics
    @Nypics Год назад +8

    The 94% zebra is ONLY valid if you are viewing the raw S-Log3 image- once you apply a LUT your zebras should be set to 99 or 100% - and still you will likely have image data to recover at the very extremes (assuming you just went over the 100%). Ideally the Zebras should be applied by the camera before the LUT -and then the 94% would be correct - but the FX30 applies the LUT first before the zebras. Confusing I know!

    • @zweiche
      @zweiche Год назад +2

      whats the case if i dont use luts but display gamma assistant on in camera?

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  Год назад +4

      Really interesting point. Gamma Display Assist isn't technically "applying" anything (it's more of a screen overlay, like Zebras), so given how LUTs can be baked into an image, output over HDMI, etc. with the Cine models, maybe that describes the difference vs. Gamma Display Assist. Wonder if that varies camera to camera as well.

    • @andreaseinzmann6277
      @andreaseinzmann6277 3 месяца назад

      Using display gamma assistant is using a LUT - like REC709. Right?

    • @petercofrancesco9812
      @petercofrancesco9812 3 месяца назад

      @@andreaseinzmann6277 It's not in a subtle but important distinction. Luts change the exposure value the camera is reading. So if you set your zebras to 94 for clipping when you turn on the Lut that value will no longer will be 94. Where as Gamma assist doesn't effect the exposure reading the cameras is seeing.

  • @adrielfotsography5499
    @adrielfotsography5499 8 месяцев назад

    great video,
    Please where can we get these your conversion luts

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  8 месяцев назад

      Thanks! Which one(s)? I used and showed a few - some are free, others are paid.

  • @schusterlugka33
    @schusterlugka33 4 месяца назад

    hi, i have Soyn a7 IV, wanna shot Slog3. need Advise. the question is which Zebra setting would be best for face and rest ( 94+ probably?) and which freeluts .. thx

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  4 месяца назад

      Exposing for skintones w/ zebras will vary, but Sony recommends ~52. Lots of options for LUTs - check out my examples at 6:18. Sony's s709 LUT is a great free option.

  • @TheTheAaronis
    @TheTheAaronis 3 месяца назад

    There is a topic that I have not been able to find on YT about Slog-3 and I see that when you go to the Slog settings, in the "detail" part it has a value of -7. Would the image quality improve if I set a value close to 0? like -2 or -3?

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  3 месяца назад

      All depends on your preference for a sharp image. Sharpening is trivial to add in post (and I often don't), but something you can't as easily remove, which is why I leave and prefer the -7 default.

  • @anthonymulcahy1166
    @anthonymulcahy1166 9 месяцев назад

    How much of an impact does your white balance settings have on Slog3? Is there is a good starting point K value?

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  9 месяцев назад

      Not a big deal if you're a few hundred kelvin off, but definitely makes a difference if you're thousands away. I usually start with daylight (5600K) as a default, and adjust from there, but it depends on the situation.

    • @anthonymulcahy1166
      @anthonymulcahy1166 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@andrewsaraceni Yea I have had issues with it and couldn't figure out a reference point to start from. Lots of people with different opinions on it. AWB at the scene and Locking it seems to be a popular one. Also the gamma display assist is something i wasnt aware of. Great info!

  • @andyuxd
    @andyuxd 7 месяцев назад +1

    This was excellent mate.

  • @JeffreyJDavis
    @JeffreyJDavis 6 месяцев назад

    Thanks - Solid video bringing in a lot of different aspects to consider. Just subscribed. Just to be clear, do you recommend leaving the ISO LOCKED on either the higher or lower base ISO and using aperture as the only real level for exposure control. i.e. (shooting 4k / 60fps using PPT9 on my A1) shutter locked at 1/125, ISO locked at either 800 or 4000 and using aperture or aperture + ND to nail exposure?. I have been aware of the base ISO's but haven't been locking down on them, often shooting at 200 etc if the light allowed.

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  6 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks Jeffrey! In most cases, I'll go with the low/high base ISO and use aperture, shutter speed, etc. to help compensate. I will occasionally break this rule if needed (to get a shot in a pinch), but only within certain bounds, and still avoiding any of the ISOs well above either of the base values.

    • @JeffreyJDavis
      @JeffreyJDavis 6 месяцев назад

      @@andrewsaraceni so what is your opinion on going BELOW the low base ISO if the scene is bright and shooting wide open aperture (I e. Shooting 200 in PP9). Does it compromise noise performance? I'm general for stills we avoid shooting below the base ISO of 100 as it is a "fake ISO" and you lose highlights signal to noise headroom.

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  6 месяцев назад +1

      @@JeffreyJDavis If you expose correctly, I think you're still able to get clean footage in the extended ISO ranges. Testing has shown the tradeoffs/differences to be minimal there, within a reasonable deviation from the base ISOs.

  • @avishrivas9213
    @avishrivas9213 5 месяцев назад

    I am using Sony A7 IV, when I set SLOG to 3 in my camera the exposure does not become 2 + unless I set the ISO to auto in my camera, can you tell me the settings that how should I set my camera so that I can use slog better

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  5 месяцев назад

      All depends on the exposure of your scene. You may need to change aperture and shutter speed as well to account for that. I do offer 1-on-1 consultations if you need help with that sort of thing.

  • @tz7162
    @tz7162 8 месяцев назад

    Hi, i have question, if I record a clip in s-log-3, the size of the clip is bigger and more difficult to edit in post-production than a normal clip? thank u

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  8 месяцев назад

      The size of the clip would be the same as any other PP. It'll be more dependent on the codec you use (XAVC S vs. HS vs. S-I), resolution and frame rate, 8-bit 4:2:0 vs. 10-bit 4:2:2, etc.

    • @tz7162
      @tz7162 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@andrewsaraceni thank u so much!!

  • @TLOverlander
    @TLOverlander 2 месяца назад

    I like shooting in H265 compression... Brutal while trying to edit, but I do in camera proxies as well. Beautiful. Oh, and H265 allows 10 bit 4:2:0. Who needs 422 unless you're....? Transferring to a digital movie projector?
    Great vid 👍🏻

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks! Yeah H265 is a great option esp. for newer computers, and 10-bit 4:2:0 gets you easily most of the latitude you need for heavy grading.

  • @NINETY-97-SEVEN
    @NINETY-97-SEVEN 6 месяцев назад

    would love to see a video on slog 3 for darker area's such as interiors or night time/low light. my video's always look way too dark or noisy no matter what I do D:
    Great video nonetheless! definitely gonna try these out! :D

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  6 месяцев назад +2

      Thanks! These tips hold up for dark/dimly lit scenes as well. I have some videos on my channel in S-Log3 shooting in similar conditions, e.g. ruclips.net/video/BN9idN64IUY/видео.html

    • @NINETY-97-SEVEN
      @NINETY-97-SEVEN 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@andrewsaraceni Will check it out thank you! 😁🤙

  • @antoniosbarakos4949
    @antoniosbarakos4949 Месяц назад

    friend at 7 51 i saw 8k choise my sony a7iv has not that choise

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  Месяц назад

      That's on my a7R V - but yes, the Sony a7 IV doesn't have 8K as an option.

  • @chromiqa
    @chromiqa 5 месяцев назад

    can you please show how to get that pleasant greenish skin tone in your videos with models?

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  5 месяцев назад +1

      Which clips or time in the video are you talking about? It's mostly balancing out green/magenta tint with white balance.

    • @chromiqa
      @chromiqa 5 месяцев назад

      ⁠@@andrewsaracenimodels at the beginning of the video 0:27 and at the end 8:11

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  5 месяцев назад

      @@chromiqa So in each of those situations, I was manually white balancing to push things to be warmer as needed. Then it's a question of how you want to match the "skin tone line" in your vector scopes, or be slightly over (magenta) or under (green) and use tint to compensate.

  • @CallMeHarris
    @CallMeHarris Год назад +1

    Thank you Andrew

  • @mg-pictures
    @mg-pictures 3 месяца назад +1

    Multimeter max +2 is a commonly repeated myth. Zebra + histogram are much better in camera exposure tools. It all depends of lighting conditions. I often shoot with mm +2 blinking which doesn't mean image is overexposed.

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  3 месяца назад

      It all depends on what MM settings you're using, and how you're using it. It's a starting point, not a hard rule. Zebras are definitely useful though.

  • @wakeywarrior
    @wakeywarrior 11 месяцев назад +1

    I keep seeing RUclipsrs saying you don’t need to overexpose Slog 3 now, but guy are saying there is still yes?

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  11 месяцев назад +1

      If you want to reduce noise in the shadows, it's still the way to go. Not to say you can't get clean shots at 0.0 EV, but it's a tradeoff.

    • @andrewhoangnguyen1579
      @andrewhoangnguyen1579 8 месяцев назад

      When I first tried shooting Slog3 I set MM at 0.0- +0.7 range and the footage came out nasty, super noisy. So in my experience, yes we need to over exposed in Slog3, my to go is +1.7 - +2.0

  • @basedontruestories
    @basedontruestories 10 месяцев назад

    Thank you

  • @traveltonic2023
    @traveltonic2023 11 месяцев назад

    Brilliant

  • @brickwallmedia8019
    @brickwallmedia8019 10 месяцев назад

    good stuff

  • @dandan2567
    @dandan2567 10 месяцев назад

    ❤!!!

  • @i-primeproductions1517
    @i-primeproductions1517 15 дней назад

    Just a word of advice, you absolutely do not want to overexpose, outdoors, you may want to overexpose Indoors, but you will destroy the footage over exposing outdoors. I've done this over and over again. Even the colors are off when you overexpose, outdoors. In bright sunlight, even with ND filters BE VERY CLOSE TO NORMAL EXPOSURE

    • @andrewsaraceni
      @andrewsaraceni  15 дней назад

      It all depends by how much you do it, and ensuring your highlights aren't clipped/compromised. But that's true regardless with shooting Log.

  • @vahidamini1863
    @vahidamini1863 Месяц назад

    ✌......

  • @nine96six
    @nine96six 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you