Overwatch 2 | The battle pass is getting suspiciously smaller. (Rant)
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A closer look at Overwatch season 11 BP, and if we don't catch this now we might be in for worse....
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Who's the next mythic skin?
I’m feeling Winston or ramattra
@@coyote2733 I would be very happy with a Winton mythic 🦍
you are absolutely right about the shrinkage of the battle pass. tbh they need to stop making shop skins the theme of the season and put the themed stuff in the battle pass and if there is a skin that has a profile banner and picture should be paired together in one slot to make room for other possible things.
What I don't get is that the only Themed Skin this season is Mythic but the rest are Legendary. My guess is they did to get more money out of us while making Mythic a bland title.
Wait... but there are themed skins in this season's battle pass?
@@kassaken6521 there are but i was talking about the extra themed things in the shop. like the Cassidy Ranger and roadhog kaiju skin
@@kassaken6521they do it for people who don’t like the current seasons theme
yeah! it makes no sense doing a theme but not on the bp xd lmao
The battlepass shrank when they introduced prisms, since those take up 8 slots now, and they also made it so premium currency takes up its own slot when you get it.
I brought this up and people argued with me about it.
They further devalued it by adding recolors for the first time too
yeah and i found it super weird how they originally had it so some tiers had both coins and an item but then they quietly it so that it’s only 1 item or currency per tier
I have a little game theory that all of the “new” voice lines have just been recorded in bulk years ago
I can promise you that's exactly what happened
ive always thought this too
Yeah I think the same as souvenirs and sprays. They made a bunch and they had to put them somewhere.
@@johnjone965I literally said this the other day when my friend asked abt kirkos voice line in the bp, he asked if I think they come back often and I said "no these were in the vaults" 😂
Without a doubt they’re using scrapped PVE recordings lol
ow2 devs when they need to work more than 3 hours a day to fill in the 100tiers of bp😵😵
its not even 100 its 80
@shygirl_ow i fully agree with you but what's the point of bringing in gender to this?
@shygirl_ow corporate greed obviously sucks but it really isn’t entirely capitalism’s fault. There aren’t countries that have succeeded in running without capitalism.
Mojang and Blizzard battle of who works less hours a day
@@DarkNue234 literally
the split of one mythic skin into 8 tiers is wild
"The amount of currency at least needs to equal the value of the battle pass to make it worth it compared to other f2p games"
Apex legends: We'll prove YOU wrong! *removes the ability to buy the pass with in game currency at all*
Haven’t played Apex in a hot minute. Did they actually do that?
@@societyman7526apex made it so that they're putting up a battlepass per ranked split. They'll be 60 tiers per pass and will have a regular $10 pass or a premium $20 pass. You cannot get the battlepass with the coins you get in-game, you gotta use real money.
@@societyman7526For the upcoming season battle passes can no longer be purchased with premium currency. Also there will be two BP per season. While there’s a bit more in total, you’re essentially paying $10 for half a battlepass and then another $10 when the second half comes out. Worse yet, there is also an additional premium+ pass on top of the two passes which lock a few extra items.
Anyone buying the apex BP now are a bunch of nutters
@societyman7526 Yes. They split the 110 tiers into 2 separate 60 tier passes with "better rewards", and they Cost 10 usd, with no option to purchase them with apex coins.
@@Tsunder623 That’s just abysmal 💀. At least Overwatch has the decency to not do that lmao
Whaaaat? What are you talking about blizzard is a small indie company they cant afford to give us a good bp
Imagine if after the season 14 tank comes out, blizzard announces that heroes afterwards will be releasing every 3 or 4 seasons instead of every other like we have now.
They did say they gonna speed it up, but it's Glizzard so you never know.
I actually wouldn't mind it as much. Cause at some point we have so many heros that balancing will be horrid. (It already is) the more heroes we have the worse the balancing will be.
New currency every season lol
Also why is the new Sombra dance so scary looking? Looks like something's puppeting her body around
I think they wanted to pair it with the Aztec skin that was available during hero mastery challenges a little bit ago
The animation is just terrible
HELP I LOVE IT SO MUCH ITS SO STUPID LOOKING
Its about time someone deeply analyzes this issue. The battle pass for overwatch feels so watered down, especially since season 6. The cosmetics feel cheap and have hardly any appeal.
Ive already dug deep into it once I realize OVERWATCH CAVALRY, the most realible news source for OW
Actually NOT giving detailed preview for it
They must been paid some cash to not do so in fear of players realizing theres less item in BP
@@3takoyakis That is interesting but not surprising.
Hopefully games like Marvel Rivals and other Hero shooters coming out soon-ish, will give Blizz a wake up call to start puttin in some elbow grease and effort into their product.
Considering how everyone has hated the tank kaiju update It seems the Dev's are just digging and digging their own grave at this point.
concord not included that game looks worse than OW2
@@Raichu159 Oh I agree! who let them cook? xD
It's just sad that we are analyzing contents of bp. I don't like this model where skins are just created to fill the battlepass instesd of creating good cosmetics and adding them to the pool.
Agreed
I wouldn’t mind if it was so Blizz could focus on quality over quantity, but if anything the quality is declining too.
They’ve cynically exploited their movement of the coin rewards from the weekly rewards to the BP, as well as the inclusion of the mythic prisms.
There’s your BP “value” now.
Jump between last season and this season was already massive.
We have just two double tiers in whole BP. Not in every 10 how we've used to. In whole thing.
We used to get white currency together with player cards and some icons or banners, now it all is separate.
And all souvenirs and most of banners/cards/icons are just useless filler no one will ever use. No one ever goes "Wow i want that player banner"
So i would argue we need more skins in BP
Also, this season emotes and victory poses for Zen and Genji should have been bundled in same tiers since they're the same animation
I found that weird how they reused the exact same victory pose and emote, and just... made it take 4 slots total.
thanks for making a clear comparison between s1 and s11. i noticed we were getting less but i didnt know the difference was that big ugh. the recolours in the bp are just as disappointing like what do u mean genji sentai recolour at tier 80??? ik his headpiece is different but wow...getting all the way to lvl 80 for that...lazy season after lazy season and it just keeps getting worse. mythic is disappointing as well with lack of headpiece options and bob only having 1 look
My guess is, we are seeing the last bits of stuff before the old Blizzard team left. It seems like the quality of stuff and quantity have been dropping, i think the old team just got lazy. Why work hard if you’re about to be out of a job. I would expect the next few seasons we start to see new content made by the new team. Hopefully more effort
Even Dead by Daylight gives you a 1-1 return on your premium currency through the battlepass. And their system has two entirely separate tracks so that FTP players can still earn skins and standard currency without stepping on the toes of the premium track (which is admittedly bloated with dumb charms that no-one pays attention to in a match) if you took away all of the free slots from the overwatch battlepass how much would actually be left?
99% of that stuff is being outsourced either way and not done inhouse. Like Airborn Studios or Redhill Games etc. wouldn't be surprised if in Blizz they just have like 2 art designers who design the skins and other stuff and lack behind in production so they can just put that much in lel
the bit about CyberDemon Zarya hit home so much
battlepasses try not to be garbage filler challenge (impossible)
I miss the game I loved
The only weapon charm you need is the bananas. The only souvenir you need is winton.
keep in mind the premium currency was always in the older seasons but it was tied to weekly challenges, they actually only added 60 coins from what was earnable before
THE FINALS MENTIONED🗣🔥🔥
"if it's in the battlepass it needs to be cool" is the exact opposite of how this works. the battlepass is the grabbag of things blizzard things aren't going to sell on their own sold on quantity rather than quality. the quality stuff goes into store skins.
Dead by daylight has gotten animated banners before the overwatch and that feature is less them a year old
The fact that HoTS was able to make skins that hit so much harder than those of OW is really unnoticed
Damn, HoTS was really something
It's kinda of funny to see people thinking that filling this battle pass is easy, it's most definitely not, 80 tiers (more or less) of bullshit every couple of months is unreal, it's obvious to anyone who worked in this god awful industry, all the way from coming up with ideas, managing the teams who make the stuff, quality assurance and QA. Be sure most of their effort (same as other ftp games) goes towards silly collabs, heroes, and other cosmetics in general, the whole existence of this game is cosmetic revenue, be sure that's the top 1 priority. sad part is that the gameplay comes maybe 4th in line.
They had 3 years of the devs doing nothing, they don’t get to use that excuse
Yeah, small indie company cant afford to hire more designers and 3d modelers
@@Vigelle Well, that's how big corpa work these days in every other field as well. Microsft can hire way more people sure, but they prioritize short term profit, that's what Activtion did, and that's what it will continue to be for many years ahead, the team right now in Team 4 are probably the least talented group Blizzard have ever had and it shows.
@@Vigelle They don't hire them. They outsource most stuff nowadays. From Animations to Skins etc. isn't made for the most part in Blizzard anymore rather Co Development Studios take that over who are specialized on it.
League of Legends players: "First time?"
3 unique skins in the whole battle pass.
that totk music nearing the end brought me joy, that’s how you do a sequel blizzard
Hi! Warframe player here, I spent around 300 bucks on that game in the past two-three months. 99% of it went on skins. I refuse to pay a cent on Blizzard.
Despite how different the games are, they are both F2P. You can earn EVERY skin (and everything else) for free, except for community made skins, which the company splits the money with the original artist for every purchase. NO FOMO.
Point is, despite how hard Blizzard is trying to make people pay egregious amounts of money, it won't work if people don't like you and what you have to offer.
Blizz has proven that the higher ups have no iota on how to monetize a game, let alone run one.
First with the lack of updates for how long again in OW1.
Second with 5V5 which no one asked for ( I personally don't REALLY care, but the game was built upon 6V6 for so long that removing one tank made it horrid to play tank. More than it was before. It made tanks into either raid bosses or wet toilet paper )
Third with no TRUE PVE (those shitty 20+ dollar missions no one plays don't count)
Don't get me started on some of the balance changes...
And a lot more that I cannot think about right now.
What's your thoughts on warframe as a whole?
@@hiokbye8546 Overall great!
But nothing is without it's flaws.
The early game experience is lacking, and except some quests, they're just dropping you in an ocean and expect you to swim.
Sometimes there's a content drought if you focus on the main game.
Some factions have a daily standing cap which is annoying. But it makes sense, some people would just blow through everything in a day without it.
And some content islands that don't really connect to anything, not really.
But everything else is amazing. The absolute variety of weapons, playable characters, game modes, games, and customizable stuff that other games wouldn't even consider letting you customize it.
And yes, games, Warframe is a game with multiple games inside. Fast paced based looter shooter, open worlds (4 and two halfs at this point), space ship battle simulator, souls like, all within one game.
Not to mention, we're going to possibly get a new open world (or something similar) relatively soon.
You'll never truly be bored if you like everything the game has to offer.
I have over one thousand hours in and I'm not even half done with the game.
damn never noticed, I guess thats the point
i honestly expected this after they said free heroes. because they wanna rely on skins like every other live service game. idk why some feel as tho ow is a special snowflake that is immune to this common practice. its not sneaky, it's predictable...
We never said it was immune to it. There's plenty of other games that do this stuff right.
Dont even pretend genji looks good
Cap
the battle pass system isn't what overwatch players really need. People usually play from 3-9 heroes mainly.
For instance i play Zenyatta, Ana, Monkey and Lucio and i don't see any value in buying it. Because among 4 my heroes only 2 have some cosmetics (Zen pose+emote and Lucio skin, which i don't like). Making new skins all time available to purchase and giving players some kind of keys (6 legendary and 2 epic) to unlock skins players want would make battle pass much more valueable, but it wouldn't allow Blizzard to sell 20$ Kiriko, Lieweaver and Mercy skins. That asian guy who is responsible for current monetization is a menace
Also you got too understand that Blizzard will never replace ingame white currency because thats the only thing and prisms what is usefull for everybody who bought the BP
Hell, even for players like myself, who play every hero (to varying degrees), it's just not worth it.
The time (and money) to value prospect, just isn't there.
I spent $400 on loot boxes, in OW1. Do you know what that (plus just playing the game) got me? Everything that wasn't tied to OWL, BlizzCon or some other "pay only" source. All the skins, highlight intros, sprays, etc.
Now? $400 would barely buy you one legendary skin per hero, in the shop.
And even if we're just talking about the BPs, it's ridiculous. $10 every 2 months to not even get my currency back. And if you happen to miss a season/mythic? I hope you like paying $80 for one fucking (maxed out) skin.
It's just not worth it. If you only play a handful of heroes, most of this stuff will be useless to you. And if you play heroes, like I do, then there's no way you could ever afford to "keep up" with new releases, unless you make 6 figures a year or something.
OW2 is a downgrade in almost every way, from OW1. And even the "new" things that make it compelling, like heroes, we would have gotten anyway, if they never stopped development on the first game.
This just sucks, so hard, that it's not even funny.
The only battle pass I got and it was with free premium was counterwatch, I mean swapwatch, I mean healwatch, I mean immortalitywatch . . . . The one with winton souvenir
I don't play anymore but this was something i noticed a while ago. Used to get 2 skins on the free trail. Then they took the coins out of the weeklies and put them in the bp. So something else must have dropped out the bp to accommodate that.
This is not enough. Most of the BP contents are trash, the skins, souvenirs, profile pics and so on. Check the finals BP, it has so many awesome things to get, and they get you close to 150% of premium currency.
10:15 "the same handful of heroes keep getting skins..." it is super frustrating, and I think it might be because battlepass sales cold fall off if they give more of the less popular characters skins in it
I mostly agree with you, but getting to pick a mythic skin is better than being given a mythic skin for a character I don't play. Most stuff on the pass should be replaced with currency to let me get customization I want.
I'm ready for the patch notes video. I know that'll be a doozy
13:10 the finals has one of the best BP in ALL OF GAMING
They used to include other rewards in the same slots with the free currency, but they stopped doing that in season 10 while adding yet another currency to the battle pass… very disappointing tbh.
i mean he just goes "basically what the free to play games do " how do you know it leads to better sales?
Legit, I'm done with this game.
From the consumer side to the gameplay side, this game is becoming more and more shit every month, I'm deleting it after I complete this season.
Every new hero customization option is locked behind a shop or a battlepass, it's fucking annoying.
And then they start doing this shit.
in my opinion another problem with the battle pass is the lack of sprays. i think that with player icons and banners you only need 1 of each. While with sprays or emotes you can equip four per hero. It's weird to think that they give you more of the first ones in the battle pass but the others you normally have to buy with the free currency, it would be nice if it was the other way around. And also that they give use to the souvenirs
Your suggestions are perfect to a tea, I’d easily pay for the battle pass if it was that way💖
I NOTICED!!! And then I forgot. So thank you for the video.
I think 100 tiers to the battlepass, they might be forced just to fill things out with bloat. As much as I dislike the devs, they only have a finite amount of time before the next BP has to release.
The thing for me is they can keep the same amount of levels and just stack the items because I like about OW battlepass is that I don’t have to sit there and play so much to grind it. I wish the challenges where not role specific either when leveling so they could be done passively because in Fortnite I never noticed that them but had so many dumb from just exploring
weapon charms shouldnt be a thing, enemy teams cant see it unless they spectate, or review the match
your team cant see, unless they spectate or review they match
and it have anything special around it that makes it worth watching (i.e. weapon inspects or something)
that already frees up 4 slots for something else like a souvenir, or an emote or a highlight intro
"Blizzard thinks you're too dumb to realize it"
Me, who was too dumb to realize: 😦
Great music choice my friend
I try!
I guess i don't mind it getting smaller because of the mystic mess now
they coild just give 1k premium if yoj finish the bp in one slot
The prestige tiers drive me crazy, I absolutely love the titles but I hate the format (5,10,10,10,10,30,20,25) would love if they reworked this, adding skin recolors into the prestige tiers along with titles would be awesome, seeing recolors in the shop is so distasteful.
Free currency on the battle pass is fine but only if it's paired with premium currency and not taking up a slot on its own
Make free currency on challenges not on BP, mythic on one teir and not eight, and the premium currency at 1000 on one tier I feel like that would open up the BP a lot more then it is now
So battlepass is roughly 20% smaller for the same price, and all of the fillers stay the same (voice lines, free currency etc.) I don't really mind that is getting smaller, I mind that there is not enough free currency for the next battlepass purchase, and the fact that they shown us that they can give us 600 premium currency is even stronger slap in the face. I think giving us 1000 currency would solve the problem TBH, but the point is they would not earn enough money from skins in the shop, because such a few people buy them.
I think making battlepass 100 tiers would make it too much of a grind, I think 80 levels is already soo much, I agree with the rest of your suggestions.
Honestly, Blizzard's monetization in this game seems like the bare minimum while still being as greedy as possible. They only give you just "enough" to make it seem like you're getting new stuff. If they redirected progression and rewards, like the free currency, away from the battlepass again that'll just show how bare it is. Why spend money when you can unlock things you like just by playing the game for free?
glad youtube showed me this channel
i like this bp but i don't know
There is the argument that the added currencies allow players to earn things that are outside the battlepass, but the amount of premium currency we get cannot give us anything worthwhile (unless it’s a 500 coin emote). I cannot believe that I’m saying this, but blizzard should take a page from Battlefield 2042’s battlepass where you not only earn enough currency to buy the next battlepass, but also enough to get a 20$ skin bundle.
the recent battlepasses are better if you're aren't able to complete them. Missing out on say S1 Genji mythic if you didn't get 80 where as now (over the course of a couple seasons) you can buy the mythic you want
Can't wait till they pull an apex and add souvenir stickers to pad even more
100 tiers is just 20 tiers of unnecessary junk added to the battle pass it won’t be skins it won’t be emoters or highlights just voice lines that are so niche and souvenirs of objects from pve
13:09 THE FINALS MENTIONED 🪙 🥚
we have animated comp sprays............................. from ow 1
Animated banners, animated profile icons I'm sure is what I said. Maybe I misspoke.
bliz has no interest in making a quality product. leave your hope at the door.
Especially recently the Battlepass has felt more like the things Blizzard created for the season but didn’t know what to do with. It’s all just “the other stuff.” There’s some nice skins I’ve loved in the past BPs that have made me want them. But there’s also a lot of things included that make me narrow my eyes at what their decision making even is. One of the biggest things you notice right away is how few things in the BP fit the theme of the season while the shop is flooded with themed cosmetics. When the BP gets overwhelmed with currencies, souvenirs, and voice lines with the only skins on it not even being relevant to the theme of the season it doesn’t feel worth it. Which is not what a battle pass should be.
Legends of Arceus music ❤
Just saying, they reused the beginning of Sojourn's BP highlight intro. It's another one of her highlight intros reused and then combined with a new portion eith explosions.
Most of the skins this season are recolor skins. They're desperately relying on thr Lifeguard skins and Pink Mercy to encourage engagement.
This shit is SAD.
RAHHHHH
2024 Blizzard is greedy I’m completely shocked 😮
In all honesty great video man!
Pharah mythic skin when 😢
These skins look so awful these season especially in the battle pass, the only ones that looks alright are Reaper and hamster, the rest of the battle pass skins MID
I mean why would they lose value for they cool skins they make by putting them all in the battle pass instead of overcharging bundles, it’s not like the players need something to actually play for besides a fake rank
the free currency should definitely not be in the BP, as someone with 300k of that currency specifically it’s definitely not fun earning that. cool touch with the kingdom hearts music
How much?
Am I on crazy pills for liking then new banners? We get less trash and enough premium currency to get every other pass premium for free. On top of that we get enough of the lower currency to shop for classic skins. I dunno losing 2 pass skins for that seems great.
Most every lost is basically filler or cheap enough to again buy the few good ones with the free currency so i dont see how the old battlepass competes in anyway with the new one.
Have you heard about Apex legends next battle pass?
Sooo... This is the Halo Infinite of Overwatch, glad to see every game owned by Microsoft getting shit canned with aggressive micro transactions and FOMO
I noticed I could buy last battle pass with only gold credits but this season I can't. They literally give us less and think we won't notice because it's in the BP?
“The true battle comes from within” is the most bland ass voice line in gaming history, and for Zen?? I could bet he already has this voice line before just in different words
I refuse to buy Season 11 battle pass, but... You could unlock 1 mytic skin, that's the reason why start selling mytic skins with a new currency, to keep you invested into buying new battle passes, even if the content ain't that good. I truely want to step back from the game, play something else until they fix this. New season start August 20. It's a long way....
People who were begging for weapon charms are dumbasses. All they did was ask for a useless item that blizzard could use to pad the battle passes.
i stopped giving a crap about this game the moment nit launched
honestly ow3, add loot boxes, 6v6, PVE, balenced competitive and give all the heroes a fighting chance to be viable again.
Basic anything in the pass that isn't a skin emote or highlight intro is just filler.
Also overwatch needs to expand
Bring back loot boxes
I noticed this but saw no one pointing this out, this really makes me feel as if the game will die soon cause they can't even complete the battle pass content. Almost all of the skins in the battle pass are the mediocre ones. They brought back pink mercy cause this was possibly one of their most desperate attempts, and that was also why they added mythic mercy last season. I gues blizzard finally killed it with worse monetization and the horrible balance
I just find the bp business model scummy but comparing anything to drg is unfair cause drg is just too good
this games battlepass was always horrible man
Yeah. I feel this battle pass has been the weakest. And I was kinda bummed out too because it's my coming back after taking s10 off and it felt like such a let down.
Ngl the battle pass this season just sucks as well
they're just putting out less content lol. why do they have hundreds of people working on these games and do nothing for us?
This did not have to be 20 mins long. 😴
@@envyLP333 thanks! Many others disagree, have a good one.