It's time we talked about current OW. Season 10 (rant) | Overwatch 2
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- Overwatch sucks in season 10. My beloved game has fallen so far from grace and I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. If you think OW2 is perfect in every way you will not like my video.
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I had an idea where you should be able to select a souvenir you have and have that replace the Health Pack Icon while playing any mode, so instead of the usual plus box youd have a slice of pizza or any item you've unlocked. Give them an actual purpose thats unique to each player.
Also weapon skins shouldve been unlocks for completing Hero Mastery Mode, give you an actual reason to play and get high scores on the courses for your favorite heroes. Instead we have to pay $30 damn dollars to change the way your weapon looks. Thats insane and im not buying any of them, not even for my main Illari
That's actually really interesting, I never thought of this. Really cool idea and would be super happy if my souvenirs could replace the health packs.
Such a sick idea actually, I would love this.
This is 100x better than getting shot at just cause i wanted to hold up my stupid slice of pizza
@@branBRippin Nah, the pineapple pizza? You deserved it!
The game is terrible now and the worst thing about it is the predictable match maker. If you win a game you can guarantee it will be followed by a insta loss cause you got a dps on your team that got only 5 elims all game. The match maker needs to be reworked and fixed. The balance is horrible but the rigged match maker is even worse.
That clip of Torb constantly hammering a full HP turret is a perfect analogy of the devs ‘fixing’ the game.
You're the first person that caught that. I put that clip in at that exact time stamp for that EXACT reason!
It'd be perfect if the turret was taking damage as a result of the torbs hammering
Nah because the hammer actually improves the turret (increases it health/repairs it)
@@livid_spiderexactly lol
So they are keeping something at perfect condition over and over? Perfect analogy..
Imagine if 5v5 was 2 tanks - 2 DPS - 1 support. If that was the case every fight would start with a support kill since everyone would hard focus it playing heros like Tracer and Genji to dive the backline no matter the situation which then immediately wins the fight for the team who gets the pick all the while the poor solo support getting hung out to dry gets blamed by the team for the loss for a "heal diff".
It would also mean half the support roster doesn't get played because they don't have a sustain or get out of jail ability which would be a throw.
How many people would enjoy playing support then? Thats the current tank life.
This is very true, you can't have 1 player in any of the roles otherwise the role loses it's power.
But if instead of a support you take away a dps it could actually work. last season for a meme i played open que to get the top500 player icon since thats about how many players that game mode has and it was actually the most fun ive had with the game in months whenever people were willing to flex. 2-1-2 with the reduced tank hp pools worked fine. Tanks were actually able to die, but also able to peel eachother. Just raw heal output felt less impactful with the lower tank hp pools so supports actually had to support instead of healbot, and again the other tank meant damage was getting spread out AND your team was rewarded for having a good target focus. It wasnt perfect as its clearly not what the game was balanced around, but it worked decently even then. Now imagine if they actually tried balancing it.
It’s funny cause 221 is how Paladins (last I remember) was played and it was really jarring coming back to overwatch after years of Paladins finding I am now solo tanking. Since the base numbers are so much higher on everything, healers are allowed to actually solo heal and they only really struggle late when the heal reduction scales to 90% and even then you have ways to reduce the heal cut.
Apples to oranges
If you’d change anything about the role lock with 5v5 the best opinion would be two tanks, two supports and one dps. It would probably make queue times on dps completely atrocious though..
Something that irks me about OW2's balance lately...
OW Community: Can you nerf [Support hero] ? They are too strong and exasperate boring and busted metas.
OW Devs: Did you say, "Change everything about the game and introduce MORE power creep, instead of nerfing said support"?
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OW Community: Can you change this part of a hero so it's more balanced/fun to play with/against?
OW Devs: Did you say, "Make a completely unrelated change that doesn't fix the problem with the hero?"
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OW Community: This hero (*cough* Hanzo *cough*) isn't fun right now, and the new balance changes make him feel unrewarding, weak, and enforce an unfun playstyle. Can you change him?
OW Devs: Actually, Said hero is fine in low ranks, so we won't buff them.
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OW Community: This hero has been busted for a while now. Can you nerf them?
OW Devs: Actually, Said hero is underperforming in low ranks, so we won't nerf them. /// Or Worse /// Did you say, "Give them one nerf, and 3 unneeded compensation buffs that make the overall change a net buff?"
This reminds me of Illari tbh...
@@justarandomfan2421 Fun fact - The part about "changing an ability to be more fun to use and play against" was actually in reference to Illari Pylon.
A lot of people asked to make the Pylon have a duration and put more healing into Illari herself instead of a turret that can be placed in near impossible to destroy locations without much thought from the player themselves.
of course... Blizzard didn't listen to any feedback...
@@candy1049 Blizzard is just.. really intresting
Felt this
Oh you silly goose, that's just not OW devs, that's all Blizzard games. Blizzard can't acknowledge fans input.
Yeah even in OW1s dead state, I could play a bunch of games using LFG when I was a bit lower rank. Now I get up, play a single GM3 game, and close desktop.
I feel that
same, could barely play for an hour until i get bored or annoyed with the game, see how slowly the battlepass bar is going up, and alt f4.. haven't played for months now
Bro if they delete all the maps and modes but kings row. Id consider that as a big upgrade which kinda speaks to the state the game is in
A patch I can get behind, I love Kings Row!!
that's actually a quintessential point; why are tanks mostly getting focused for reworks for 5v5 when every other character was designed for 6v6?
Now you getting it!
5v5 fucking sucks
Realest thing ive heard today
My man spittin
what a brave comment
Honestly I'm 50 50 on both they need to release both as a qp and comp option or at the very least just qp but in order for both to happen blizzard would need too add the 5v5 format to 5v5 and the 6v6 format to the 6v6 mode which judging how far in the dumps this game has gone that might be a bit too much for blizzard too handle also the dps passive that effects tanks is way too much it needs a nerf (this is coming from a dps main) but not too much or we are back to healers pocketing the tanks for the whole game which takes 20 shots from reapers shotgun just to kill
@@cloroxbleach1457 Splitting queues would utterly crucify queue times. It HAS to be either or. Sad reality of affairs. Whether that is 5v5 or 6v6 makes or breaks for me personally, as I am an OG open beta Overwatch 1 player who dislike the reduction in complexity that 5v5 has brought. If vast majority prefers 5v5 and they outright claim its there to stay, at least then I can confidently say I won't be back.
In OW1 I played support like Brig and off-tanks like DVA and I had a great time. My aim isn't great even though my game sense was pretty good, so I really enjoyed playing characters that enabled other characters. I liked playing Zarya so I could bubble an aggressive Rein, I liked playing Orisa to compliment a mean Roadhog on my team. I loved to take high ground as Dva with Sigma on the choke below, etc. I made a bunch of friends because everyone liked my Dva so much, so I actually had friends I only knew from playing OW with because back then the game made it really easy to chat after a game and group up if you wanted to. Only once in my entire OW2 history has anyone hit the "group up" option, even though it happened all the time in OW1 for me. Now I have no new friends in the game and my old friends don't want to play it anymore. I don't want to play it anymore. I might only play the game once a month now, and if I don't keep up with all the patch changes I might be in for a rude awakening (like the bizarre LOS change to Sigma's ult). I still enjoy playing Dva in metas where she is strong but I don't really enjoy playing tank on any other role anymore. I kind of want to uninstall the game but I see it as flushing an investment of sorts. I have bought skins and bought battle passes, always kind of hoping I'd eventually love the game as much as I loved the first, but here we are almost two years in and I never want to play anymore. All because the game went 5v5 and my role as off-tank got perma-removed. (I know I mentioned playing Orisa, who was a main tank... I played main tanks too, like Rein and Sigma, but Dva and Zarya were a lot more fun in OW1 and old Orisa was not the tank beast she has unfortunately become in OW2).
I'll be honest, I don't hate Push. I hate Flash Point and I am going to hate this new mode if I ever get around to playing it. But I hate that there are only three push maps. I much prefer payload maps or hybrid maps, but push is still better for me than Flash Point.
I'm also just tired of all the stupid lies. No PvE, no weapon inspections, constant balance failures... and you are right, they are very quick to dump any feature at the drop of a hat. Instead of coming up with new modes and new characters, maybe they should fix the game first.
I felt this comment, OW1 has fallen off so far it's actually crazy.
Honestly, the shop prices would be fine if we could actually earn coins by playing the game. They seem high right now because there's no reliable way to offset the price.
I thought about this as well, it's crazy how little we can earn organically through just actual gameplay.
@@shadezOW I didnt spend money on OW2 for its first year and only casually played it (only when my friends would beg me, otherwise I'd play better games) and it took me, honest to god, ONE YEAR to earn a free skin. It was a kiriko skin and they gave it for free with xbox gamepass a month later. 😂
Its a free to play game they need to make money somehow . Skins are skins they dont impact your gameplay
@@xythiera7255 no but it's a damn good motivation to keep playing
@@copiagueeagle I would be so pissed 💀
Been playing since ow1 season 3. Ow1 had balance problems pretty much all the time, and for some reason the devs would often do things that barely anyone would be asking for.
I doubt ANY NORMAL player sat there and thought "id love it if they added a support that can provide burst healing and over-armour across the map with no aim required, has a shield, a boop, heals themself and allies a good distance away whenever dealing dmg, provides over-armour with ultimate and has a stun", but the devs gave birth to brig anyway.
I doubt ANY NORMAL player asked for a support that has AoE burst healing, similar dps capabilities to some actual dps, another form of AoE burst healing that also heals the user, a way to make the whole team immortal, can move to highground effortlessly and has a way to provide dmg boosting, yet Bap was created anyway.
Of course i dont have the stats, so i could be totally wrong. Maybe there were a decently high amount of people asking for characters with those kinds of abilities. But i have a question -
When did anyone suggest or ask for the game to go to 5v5?
From bronze to gm, you could find people that had their own ideas of how to improve some of the problems with the game. Regardless of how wrong or right some of those ideas mightve been, when did any of them mention swapping to 5v5?
Almost never, because most people knew that would cause a WHOLE BUNCH of other problems AND be a different format from the one we were all used too.
It would be a different format from the one we were willing to try when we BOUGHT OW1.
Clearly It would be pretty stupid to swap to 5v5 without AT LEAST letting players test it out for a few months and cast a vote of some sort to decide if they want to stick with 6v6 or not, right..?
Nah we at blizzard know what you players want even before you want it.
Right now you guys want to forget about how badly we try to not revert any changes if it would make us look like we were in the wrong at any point, or make any positive changes if it wouldnt look like we thought of the idea first.
Now turn your attention to our new and improved shop!!!
Look at the generous discounts we provide on most of our items, even though those items have not, and would not actually be sold for that higher price we show you, meaning its just there to make you think "WOW ID BETTER ACT FAST BEFORE THE ITEM LEAVES THE SHOP OR THE DISCOUNT ENDS!!!"
The scary part is yeah, i dont doubt the idea of 5v5 was suggested by some players before, but was that the majority? no
The majority wanted different balance patches from the ones we got.
So why now does the WHOLE playerbase have to deal with 5v5, when a small amount of people suggested it?
Because Ow devs were too stubborn.
Im NOT saying making balance changes that please the majority of the players would be the easiest job in the world obviously, but how do you manage so often to make changes that seem to DISPLEASE the majority of players.
The devs seem so caught up with trying to make EVERYTHING in the game come out to about 50-50 win rate, and yet the player satisfaction rate has felt for years like its been only bout 25%, if even that much...
Again, i dont have any stats so you could say im pulling these numbers out of my ass, but they do sound right to me. Blah blah blah rant over
I can feel the passion in your comment and I'm happy players still have it for this game. I agree a lot about what you're mentioning here, I just wish the devs would see comments like this. The 5v5 switch from 6v6 purely because they wouldn't fix the issues in there game, (because lets be honest they were balance issues) was a huge L in my book.
i think all the problems is coming from idea that blizzard first make fun casual game and then try to make it competitive, math works completely backwards in this case, they just have no clue how to balance competitive games
To kinda clarity, they tested 5v5 out on 2 occasions. The first was before OW1 was released. The conclusion for that time was, "Your mistakes are too visible and pressure too high."
The second time was before OW2 was released. They gathered pro players in Hawaii to test out 5v5. Pros unanimously said it was a bad idea and will bring many issues that we see today. Blizzard did it anyway.
That's right. The one time Blizzard utilized pro players and asked for their feedback, they completely ignored them. The rest of the player base was either confused, cautiously optimistic, or hostile towards 5v5. Blizzard themselves acknowledged the glaring flaws with the format, and 2 years in, those flaws are still here.
don't forget they put HEROES in the battlepass... then put a lock on them in the hero gallery that brings you to the buy coins page... when you could unlock them for free... and also labeling skin prices with paid coins when you can buy with free credits when you earned enough... borderline illegal
@@MrTruth2410 There was a Jeff Kaplan interview where he stated clearly Blizz wanted to create a technical game and over time dumb it down. We are now at the dumbed down phase.
please for the love of all we hold dear upload more, this is the most honest, concise, and well thought out rant I've ever seen this game produce and I need more
Thank you, I truly appreciate your kind words. I just uploaded my next rant video about an hour ago. Let me know your thoughts on it, I also have a poll up for the next vid under my posts.
For me, it's just that the game is changing and getting further and further away from what I loved about OW.
Remember what everyone was saying when OW2 was first released? "It's the same game". You know what? I really wish it was.
I played OW1 from the very beginning and have played every season up to now. There were awful metas to play into, terrible balance issues, but I still logged on almost every day, and enjoyed every minute I spent playing.
We were given this promise that we were going to be getting something better, and I trusted in the Team. So far, I've only been pushed further and further from this game with every patch.
Even the last thing that let me enjoy this game, my favorite hero, was ripped away with the S9 patch. Hanzo was stripped of his identity, his expression, and fun.
I miss Overwatch 1. I miss the feeling of wanting to log into the game I enjoyed - win or loss.
Bring back 6v6. All they have to do is be as present for it as they have been for 5v5. It WOULD be better.
I miss OW1 as well
That Geoff Goodman clip was extremely painful to sit through. I now understand why the game is in the tragic state is it now. With people like him in charge for any significant amount of time the title was always bound to fail
This clip is always the main point of my argument as to why 5v5 was doomed from the start.
This game is just part of my life ever since it came out. counterswapping just destroys the fun for me rightnow. I know it was present in ow 1 too but now it has become to mutch where its no longer fun. Ranked is no fun to grind. If 6v6 will safe overwatch i am udown for it i hope they will make like a permanent 6v6 testmode like qp and work on it. Great video
Thank you for your kind words. I also agree with you regarding counterswapping, I usually never counter swap, I will just mirror the pick instead.
Counter swaping is only that extrem in Ow2 becouse of how power kreeped OW2 is if you overstat everything then also your counter becomes more and more powerfull with no way to out skill it throw the raw numbers .
remember loot boxes? remember when you could earn them through playing arcade? remember when you could earn them from leveling up? remember how could earn currency for things you already owned? remember when they did events to earn skins and sprays by playing the game or playing other Blizzard games? i didn't buy coins at all from 2017-2023 and still got every event skin I wanted, even some I didn't. i never thought I'd miss loot boxes, never thought I would miss the blue and white lights for rares and commons, but here we are.....here we are....
We had it so good back then we had no idea
Loot Boxxes are still incredibly predatory in nature. The fact the monetisation is as bad as it is now is to try make up for the loss of revenue from Loot Boxes taking advantage of vulnerable people with gambling addictions.
Remember when they didn't make you buy an event in order to actually earn "free things" I hated that winter wonderland event it was.... dumb.
@@caldw615 in general, true, but you could unlock everything wether you bought them or not. now it's just fortnite dogwater garbage
@@Meta9871 With how frequently they kept adding new skins and limited time ones for events I doubt that. Unless you no lifed and played nothing but OW for the full event periods.
I think the reason OW2 feels so bad right now is that the hopium is all gone. First, it was 'Hey, let them balance the new format', then it was 'well, Blizz is getting bought by microsoft, it'll get better', and now... now, we let them cook and have been served garbage. The shop is better only by comparison and still isn't good, and theres no reason to expect anything different on the horizon. People are just straight up giving up hope.
It's been how long and we still don't have answers to all these issues the game has. Blizz needs to take the L and revert back to just calling the game Overwatch, bring back 6v6, and getting rid of role passives. This is my next video based off the poll that's up currently.
The Gospel of Samito spreads my brothers....and sisters
I've seen a few of his shorts and the man hasn't missed the mark yet.
I can't with the hp and hit box changes
I'm right there with you, everyone had different opinions on it but I don't see how anyone could like the increased size hitboxes. The hp pools are getting to be a bit much.
Agreed, Haven't played since they changed em myself
I find it funny that they swapped to 5v5 to deal with matches being too long
And then have only done things to make it harder to kill people
Higher healing numbers
Healers with abilities that serve as get out of jail free cards
The loss of a lot of high damage combos
The very fact that DPS has a passive to reduce how much people heal should tell OW that, yes, things have gone too far
@@beywheelzhater8930 The only matches that went on a bit longer if the teams were evenly matched and higher elo were the 2cp games. I also didn't mind them being longer either, not sure what others would say about this though.
T.R.O.Y. is such a good song from NBA Street Volume 2
When I sit down and think about it, I genuinely cannot come up with a single thing that they have done over the past 2 years to significantly improve the game.
I can sit here for hours though and list off all of the ways that they have significantly ruined the game in the past 2 years.
I think it's all perspective, when a person is 16 and plays the OG to now, they most likely won't like it as much, those are major growth years and what we perceive at 16 to early 20's is important. Myself, I just started playing OW2 about 2 weeks ago and I love it, this game is amazing and I don't know why I didn't play it earlier, but I am playing it now and I LOVE this game so much.
I enjoy the game, that's why I continue to play it. However, it could be so much better. I'm happy to hear others enjoying the game but I think it's subjective but also based around what the old player base (2016 players) were there during the golden days and now we are here. Also, I feel you can't miss something you never had.
Hot take, but when it comes to weapon skins....
Why I can't mix and match them? Why we can only do so with special skins that at best works only for one skin and for rest fits about as well as fist fits a nose? Skins are already expensive, having that option would help me stomach the price and justify some skins being as pricey as they are.
But I guess Blizzard doesn't want my money that much.
That's interesting, I never thought about something like this. Is it maybe something like a weapon editor or something?
@@shadezOW I think he means using skin A but the weapon from skin B
@@vergilsgamingchair8772 paladins let's you do this or least use to
It's at a certain point where even me, I haven't ever experienced 6v6, would want to go to 6v6. It just looks like it makes more sense to have two tanks so that it would be less frustrating. I hate the tank role, being so important and so influential, while not being able to do much without blowing up, is just dumb.
Giving one person the job of what two people used to do. Yeah that'll go well.
Overwatch severely needs a guild system, where teams and team environments can be created and grown naturally -all within the game UI. Scrim and practice scheduling, match search, a ranked mode for teams exclusively, etc. And make it represent the core of what this game's pinnacle aspires to be. Minimize rng, random players and non-synergies, promote teamwork genuinely, etc. And it won't make the game more sweaty, it'll make it more consistent and true to the original vision for this game.
It's wild to me that the dev teams have jumped through so many hoops, reworks, format changes, engine changes -yet at no point have they seriously considered a guild system. The one feature that unilaterally promotes everything healthy about the game, and seeks to cut out all the rng bullshit that people on forums complain about every single day.
Make actual team play convenient for those who want to take OW to a higher level and have something meaningful to grind for and improve at. It's that simple.
100% agree
I actually mentioned this in my video I posted yesterday. This game needed this feature SOO long ago.
Way back, the devs said they didn't want to implement something like that until they were able to implement it battlenet-wide. It was a BS excuse then and it's watery dog shit now, OW1 should've had that feature by year 2 and here we are still waiting for it.
@@SticklsOfDoom Nah right before OW2 launched they said they were actually working on a guild system. They had a roadmap picture and guilds was written on it. And Aaron Keller had a twitter post talking about working on a guild system.
There was a comment somewhere in some thread on the OW forums with the links that I saw about 2-3 weeks ago.
i wish they would put a 6v6 gamemode in the arcade like why not? arcade isn't supposed to be taken seriously so it would be perfect.
Absolutely, I just starting saying this as of the beginning of this week. There's no reason they can't have it in Arcade mode.
@@shadezOW i think it’s mainly bc people would stop playing QP lmao.
Because nobody would play the other game modes, and they’re completely aware of it. Imagine willingly selecting qp or comp in 5v5 when classic 6v6 would be right there. Players would just make their own ranking system for the arcade mode through stuff like clans etc, not bothering with the garbage that is every other 5v5 mode 😅
@@meat3958you are 100% correct.
If they offered a “6v6 classic arcade mode” 80% of the player base would play that non stop. And at that point the devs would have to admit defeat. Aka no one actually wants to play 5v5 after all .
@@meat3958 i remember clans, one of the many things they promised ow2 (weapon inspect, banners, pve) would have but didn't get in the end
Those first 4 minutes of the video pretty much summed it up. The rest of the video is just that cherry on the top 🍒
Sad for this game to be going so downhill. Guess it’s time to just move on…
I'm still hopeful, but thank you for your kind words!
I went to record some gameplay for Overwatch (I use it in the backgrounds a lot) and the game really just feels bad right now.
I think I might make a video on the problems with Overwatch 2 as well, and your video partially inspired me too so thank you!
Obviously I have many things of my own to talk about but no doubt points I was inspired by from you will make it in, will make sure to link in the description when I make mine.
Anyways great video, It’s sad what this game has come to. But it’s not too late, hopefully blizzard can get their act together
Will be looking for it.
How to have fun with Overwatch: Take a break. A week, or two, or a month or a year. Come back and you will see the joy it is to play. Day to day grind will wear you down till decay.
Currently i have been on break since the Le SSerafim promo but i plan to return because Overwatch is perfect in every way
True, whenever I feel burnt out I take a break, I find myself doing it more often though................
I've been taking a break since OW1 got shut down, best decision ever, this game is a husk
Some suggestions I have for the shop:
1) The REAL SKIN PRICE (not the bundle price) should be readily shown in the Shop, players should not have to go to the Hero Gallery to find the real price of the solo skin
2) any skin Recolors should be solidly discounted for owners of any version of that skin
I'd be okay with this, but I also feel the skin prices even without the "discounts" should be lower.
My overall health increased when I stopped playing. I was holding out hope OW2 would make the game fun again. 3 years of work... to release a worse game. 😥
TRUUUEEE
thank you for sharing your thoughts. you hit so many points that I feel myself as a long-time (since day 1 in 2016) OW player. I miss 6v6... I cannot lie :(
I miss it. The 6v6 pubs are the best we got right now.
I agree with almost all of your points, and even if I didn't, this was a great video. Very casual and inviting, a nice break from other videos on this topic that are more toxic.
I can really tell that you are someone who loves this game.
Thank you so much. I appreciate your kind words!
9:38 RESPECT OF THE PLAYERS TIME!!! Hit the nail on the head there. You aren’t rewarded for learning the game, you aren’t rewarded for playing the game, and you can’t leave the box they put you in. What’s the point of spending time in the game when you get the most value at the SKILL FLOOR??
I wasn't sure if I was alone in this thought and was hoping this would resonate with others.
I stopped playing like a month ago...maybe more...ive lost count. Best decision. All of what you are saying is true. The game is a shell of what I fell in love with. Just might be time to let it go. Ow2 truly cured my addiction to ow.
Such a good statement. I was so into OW1 and now with OW2, it just ain't there like it used to be.
Fuck it, bring back 6v6. So what if the queue times are long? It’s worth it if the game starts being FUN again.
the issue is that skill ceilings have been nerfed for EVERY HERO and the newest ones are fairly easy to win with.
I would clarify on your statement and say that many of the high skill ceiling characters can't compete with the new heroes that are released "over kitted." Definitely agree with you.
36:29 “some of us don’t have friends…” as a forever solo q’er in online games, I feel this.
Wasn't meant as an insult either, just being honest here. That's why the LFG function was so good in my opinion. We need it, I'm also looking into creating something similar with an app developer.
@@shadezOW I know and I was 100% seriously affirming that fact because I legit am that guy 🤣 I used to use the LFG in a lot of Blizz games too so again, feel you dawg!
I gave up about 2 weeks ago myself. I tried so hard to love the game, play with friends, found new groups, etc. Nothing brings me joy with this game anymore. In fact, it now brings me nothing but frustration.Thousands of hours gone. Im done
Take some time and step away from the game. Come back in another season or two and give it another go. Feel your frustration completely.
@@shadezOW I don't think that'll happen. I've already uninstalled and with my favorite game (Elden Ring) coming out with its DLC I won't even have time to look back even if I wanted to. When I think of overwatch I feel nothing but contempt. That doesn't feel healthy. I wish you luck though.
Same position. Overwatch has become soulless.
The most barebones F2P title right now.
I love the Winton gameplay ❤
Winton
3/4 rister designed for 6v6 the 1/4 5v5. We are fucked. Theyve painted themselves into a corner
I still think there's hope but Blizz has to take the L and realize they messed up.
I miss the old maps and 6vs6. I just want that game back
I miss it.
@@shadezOWat this point the best move for Blizzard might be to rerelease OW1 in the state at its shutdown and maintain it alongside OW2.
A thing that they need to bring back is being confident and okay with nerfing heroes or numbers. So many times throughout the entirety of OW2 I’ve seen them nerf a hero, mainly a dps or a support, and give them a compensation buff which completely negates the whole purpose of a balance change. Nerfing a character without giving them several “make-up” buffs is a must-have
Just like you said the prices are competitive with other free to play games. The games that most ow players i have met never played or didnt like. Its like ow devs want a new player base
It definitely feels like the "let's make a great game" line is a load of bs and they want the game to burn instead
@@heyyou9903 I honestly feel it's just something they say for good "pr"
Overwatch is going the same way tf2 went. Sad to see it happen to two games in my favorite genre.
I have so little time on TF2, can you elaborate for me?
the genre being... multiplayer fps?
I need @Samito to react to this.
I got a few dm's saying he did actually, I'll be reacting to it on stream. Looking forward to seeing what he has to say.
introducing robust AoE healing with Moira, Brig, Baptiste, Mercy Ult Changes, Lucio Healing Aura Buff, and also generally increasing the amount of HPS a healer could put ouch such as Mercy and Zen having their healing more than doubled what they were on launch, has led to the death of the Specialist role in overwatch by removing any downside of stacking every player character together in a big ball and running down the middle of a map, whereas previously if you did that everyone would just die because healing was so limited, it encouraged everyone to spread out to avoid things like splash damage and supplement themselves on health kits. Now, because of AoE healing, every character needs to be able to fill the role of being put in the stupid Body Ball and rolled down the middle of the stage, so previously specialist characters like Hanzo, Symmetra, Torbjorn, Bastion, etc. had to be reworked into being front line fighters, and it has largely killed any interest i had in the game by homogenizing character design, which is also bleeding into even more characters with 5v5. epic.
Agreed
coming from samito he just watched your video and complimented you. Definitely down to earth guy that just let out his frustration, rightly so, and the game is in a horrible state you brought up most of the point. Would loved as addition that kiriko was miserable for the game as well. Other than that bring back 6vs6 already
That's amazing, thank you for letting me know. I might react to the video on stream as I definitely would love to hear what he had to say about my first video on youtube haha.
Here from Samitos reaction live on stream. Great video!
I got a few dm's he reacted to my video, I haven't seen it yet, I'll be reacting on stream but I'm honored he checked it out. I appreciate your kind words!
drop a tank to fix queue times, which were broken because tank wasn’t fun, really all that does is halve how much fun tanks have to have for everyone else to play
Tanking in OW1 towards the end was rough for a number of reasons, but many of those reasons aren't in the game now. Blizzard has always struggled with balance but the new additions with the roster would make 6v6 better now than it was before hand. Play in some of the 6v6 pubs and you'll see, the powers/stats are tweaked for the different format. Mauga's shout for example only applies to himself. (just as an example)
Hey, at least... compared to a game like Raid Shadow Legends... nah, the prices are just absurd... even compared to a game like that.
I’m someone who barely touched Overwatch 1 but got into it when Overwatch 2 came out, as someone who’s essentially never played the 6v6 era, I don’t really have a say to complain about the current era of Overwatch. I see all the og players around me suffering while I’m just managing the game as it is, going with the flow. So all I can say is this video is opening up to how I should feel? I don’t know..
In your case, it's hard to express a view point if you never experienced it. The game was far superior in it's older format. Can everything work in it's current state......somewhat. Is it the best, no.
@@shadezOW In my experience, where someone feels strongly about a patch note, I’m just like “Whatever lmao”. For example, almost everyone has a gripe with the comp system, I however just wanna grind because despite all the BS this game has given us, I still like playing it regardless of whatever happens
@@Kizunoto I'm the same way.
Man, I love getting walking simulator (flashpoint) and get penalized for leaving a boring game mode in QP
Been feeling the same way as a tank player, started playing open q a week back and regained my love for the game. Suddenly not playing a tank in a dps world. In role q ive been stuck in low diamond and open q im gm
Keep strong. The game needs us tank players or it has no shot of ever getting back to its glory days!
@@shadezOW nah we tank players should go on strike so the Dps players will see that q times are not fixed
@@heyyou9903soon enough it will happen naturally when competitors will come out, especially Rivals, because its closest to ow1 tank synergy
@@heyyou9903 I'm trying to be productive here lol
no one finna talk about the W sonic music? cultured man 👍🏾
You the first one! Glad to see someone appreciated it because I love Sonic music!
I basically had to use LFG 90% of the time back in Ow 1 and is worked well for me and 6v6 felt like it had more balance and strategy than 5v5. ow 2, 5v5 big numbers go boom don’t really need to think or communicate that much.
I believe it, I personally think LFG was used more than Blizz is letting on but in true Blizz fashion, instead of refining and polishing something they toss it.
Dude, that was so great to listen to. I play rarely right now and mostly on consoles, but I spent 300+ hours in the first game and 100+ in the second and the main thing how I can describe playing as one tank (before s10 or after s10), is that I'm afraid to play. I'm constantly worried that if I'm tank (even in non-comp mode) I'm now under pressure. I can't pick who I'm best with, I have to play what's best for the team, there's no 2nd person to help my team out when I'm dead, and I don't enjoy that.
As for role queues, I am not sure what's the way around it but I hate current situation. I'm finding games fast, because I play tank or support mainly, but I have dps that I enjoy, for example, I've returned to the game after a few seasons and here's Venture, and I'm so happy to play as her, it just feels as a wholesome hero (in terms of personality and character design) made for OW1. But I have to wait 5-6min on console to play as dps (non ranked). And when I play as all roles, I can play 8-10 matches without getting a chance for dps.
I played since 2017, played comp through dive, GOATS, and double shield
I personally loved GOATS being a tank main, and absolutely despised Brig. she was where the games downfall began. Instead of nerfing Genji, tracer, winston or dva to reduce dive, they introduced a whole new broken character. Blizzard still has this problem of not nerfing characters and constantly buffing or increasing health and it’s clearly destroying the game. When double shield came around, i switched to dps and mained sombra. From beginning to this point, i climbed to mid/high diamond and stopped playing bc i hated double shield. After that i went to college, so i didnt have much time to play at all
I came back recently and have been noticing a lot of similar issues you and other youtubers like flats and frogger bring up. I agree with almost all of them. And i think its so funny because people would tell me i was just bad at the game or didnt know what i was talking about, or would also blame it on the fact that im a girl which was so dumb
Anyway, happy to see that a lot of these opinions arent just my own. Great vid!!
Unpopular opinion: I like Push lol i personally like the maps too. I on the other hand absolutely hate Flashpoint and the maps, it feels like it should be in the Arcade playlist. I hate how much they push the new maps in comp.
I swear i went like 2 days of only getting push and flashpoint. I felt like i was going insane.
I don’t care how old the maps are, but i love Kings Row, Dorado, Route 66. I love the old maps.
I was never much a fan of buying skins, but when the Cowboy bebop ones came out i was like finally something i really want. It’s greedy how they set their prices it forces you to either buy the entire bundle for like $70 instead of like one skin for $40.
Then you have the weird way they set the prices of in game currency. Which again forces you to buy the more expensive currency because it’s always just a bit off.
You barely earn in game currency by playing. You have to play an insane amount of comp to be able to afford anything.
I just want 6v6 back i was an Off tank main and now it’s just not worth it. I only play Dps and Support cause at least i have freedom. You make one mistake as Tank and everyone blames you and all of sudden you’re the reason we lost the match.
You liking push is a very unpopular opinion, but I would never say you're wrong for liking it. If you do, then by all means enjoy it, but I personally do not.
I am a tank main also the game is terrible now and the worst thing about it is the predictable match maker. If you win a game you can guarantee it will be followed by a insta loss cause you got a dps on your team that got only 5 elims all game. The match maker needs to be reworked and fixed. The balance is horrible but the rigged match maker is even worse. They need to bring back 6v6 or the game is as good as dead.
Keep your head up my fellow tank player!!
idk tbh the format issue could be fixed by nerfing literally everything instead of buffing and "reworking" (5v5 buffing) chars
some heroes arent meant to be always good picks
power creep sux
It's really bad in this game
its funny u say that its magnified for tanks because I am a support main and I have the same issues I have been playing since 2017 and I never thought I would quit overwatch until this last few months
I probably should have specified in greater detail about that comment, I was ranting so didn't do the best job of that. The items I'm mentioning are the tank game loop specifically. I believe all the roles have issues right now, all different but all valid.
@shadez4917 yep with you there 100% all roles have issues and I believe they cannot be fixed in 5v5 because you cannot have equal power across all roles in this format in order for you to make a role stronger you must gut the others aka the new dps passive without it supps would dominate. I don't think this problem is fixable unless we go back to 6v6 I am not saying it gets fixed instantly I am saying it could be fixable where in this format it's impossible in my opinion
My friends and I stopped playing and we tried to get back into it but doesn't feel the same anymore..
It's not the same, and it's crazy how it could easily be the same but better if Blizzard wised up.
Not Geoff explaining exactly why 5v5 is bad and then saying that it’ll make the game better
That man literally told everyone why it was bad but still went through with it. Mind blown
They should just put a vote inside of a game (like the popup window when you get endorsement reward) with question "which format do you prefer?" And just act accordingly to answers.
I've also said maybe adding a voting system for ranked, when a lobby is created a vote comes up to determine the mode and map.
As a player since S2 of OW, i miss 6v6. Theres no reason some of the changes couldnt have come to the game in that form like the universal self heal or Orisa rework. It also doesnt make sense to keep tank busters in a format with one tank, especially mauga as a tank busting tank. As a support main, I want to be able to support my team and not just be the dps+ role lol
I have faith it'll come back
currently at the start of season 11, maybe i'm just sensitive, but let me explain;
I was bored so i hopped into a comp game (silver 4) recently dropped from sliver 3 so I wanted to rank up, I was healing my tank and suddenly our sombra was screaming for healing, i though my other support would help but no (maybe they were dead? idk) but i was instantly told "stop pocketing our tank, heal our dps" I kind of just paused, because I did?? then I was called a healbot, and a loser. So i left the match even though I would get kicked out for 9 minutes. I left. And I got called a loser for it :/
I enjoyed ow2 at the start. But imo the absolute worse change they've made was the hitboxes. I really hope this will somehow get reverted.
True
Tank is the only role that doesnt have a direct peer and there are some significant psychological effects to that compared to 6v6 and I think it's pretty simple: One tank = 50% more pressure, 50% less freedom to make plays/decisions, 50% less room to learn, 50% less fun, and so on. After 10 seasons, OW2 just feels like it's less than when it came out, which was already less than OW1. DPS have been reduced to simpletons or a joke. 1 tank = everyone knows what to expect and everyone is bored of it. It's not like there's another Tank to do some new and different combo with. Healers with the current passives are just as redundant and maybe even more boring than they have ever been. Basically, synergies and freedom to do creative things are in the most limited and utterly unsatisfying state they have ever been on every role, but especially Tanks. The game feels lopsided, awkward, and forced with no room for error or fresh takes. OW1 felt like each character could take years to master, but now everything is so limited, watered down, and stripped of identity. Everyone is reaching the ceiling and where do you go from there? Another game perhaps...
Remember, 5v5 gives us so much more options for gameplay though according to Blizz.
They should cut skin prices in half. I don't even see some shop skins in my games anymore like especially skins for unpopular heroes like Torb. There is no way some basic one hour art for name cards or one day work mesh for souvenir can bloat "bundles" prices that much.
Amazing video! I agree with everything you said and would also like to see 6v6 happen 🙂
Thank you my friend!
Id disagree with saying clash is bad. You said "whoever wins the first fight wins it all" which i think is untrue since the mode actively incentivizes combacks, due to the score system, and the loosing teams cap points being more defender sided
Its not perfect by any means, but its wayyyy better than push or flashpoint
Also open queue 6v6 is true overwatch
Most of my games of Clash were just that, the team who wins first fight wins the match. Could be an elo thing for sure. 6v6 open queue was peak!
i enjoy push as for tank i personally don't have issues playing them i play dps aka genji but ima be honest that's where the ult cool down dumps go
Sucks since the tank is usually the one getting the cool down dump.
The sigma change was genuinely so ridiculous, I knew it was going to be removed so I got to enjoy sigma for awhile before going back to winston hog lmao
I honestly rolled my eyes when I first read it.
Hearing these issues you have brought up made me miss Overwatch. I'm sad that we have a game that was earned Game of the Year...transitioned to this.
Very egregious monetization, lack of lore build ups onto Overwatch Universe, no cinematics, lack of background lores onto new heroes, lack of meaningful balance that doesn't address the core fundamental problem, and so on.
honestly probably 212 is better since dps doesnt really have synergy with each other.. if they still want to go with this 5 v 5 thing..
Just give us 6v6 back.
@@shadezOW 100% aggreed
I'll come back when the game becomes 6v6
It'll come back just give it time. There's nowhere you can turn on RUclips currently that isn't roasting this game. It'll happen.
"bad"? the prices are astronimical.
OW is a triple A game, that means it sells for 60USD. Then it became "free".
In what world do u pay roughly 15 USD for 1 of 30 skins for 1 of 40 characters?
by that logic, a person would have to spend $18,000 for all the skins in the game
Any slander towards the pricing I'm going to agree with you 100%
Honestly 7v7 don't sound bad 2-3-2 set up, extra dps to off set the 2nd tank, maybe space out the maps more too idk
That sounds like absolute chaos
@shadezOW1 tell me it wouldn't be fun tho!
@@pr3ts3l At this point, I'm up to try anything.
imagine if you earned 1-3 coins per win on pubs and 7-10 coins per win in ranked (with higher ranks getting more coins per win)
im talking about the white currency for pubs and the premium cutrency for ranked respectively
I think we should earn the premium currency the BP (same as every other F2P) but much more than what we currently have. Rocket League, Fortnite, The Finals...for example all give you more premium currency than what you paid to unlock bp. As for the other currency, I think we should earn a set amount after each level up for your account. (That's how it was in OW1)
I already uninstalled, stopped playing tank 3 seasons ago and even dps is ass if you dont play meta. Ive come to the conclusion that bliz caters to dead brained healer mains, hence the busted burst healing and the get out of jail free cards. Since all the healer creep, dps got buff3d, but tanks get shredded because of the 5v5 format. Blizz is unwilling to make the cry baby healer mains upset,but they are more than happy to make tank mains play time miserable.
Check back in a couple months, the game is getting roasted on all sides. It has to go back.
Anytime i get push i really really want to just close the game, and it seems like its literally all i get. Theres so many shit push maps + the push gamemode itself that they seem to really be pushing, i find myself wanting to close the game all the time, and i do.
10:46 The Finals mention 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
I can rant all day about alot of the same stuff you said and then some but the leaver penalty in quickplay pissed me off because i get it too often because I avoid new junk city everytime i get it because I GET IT SO DAMN OFTEN I haven't played the Rio map in literally 3+ weeks i get kings row every blue moon but im tired of new junk city i get it atleast once everytime i log on WHY? Why am i getting punished for not wanting to play the same 4 exact maps EVERYDAY idk if my rng is bad but i hate only playing busan new junk city new queen street and Antarctica everytime i get on I barely get Gibraltar too WTF?
I love how Blizzard changed the name to "unranked" now with the leaver changes as it used to be called quickplay.
@@shadezOW its more sweaty than comp rn so i play open queue and that's so fun atp 😂
I've been playing since year one too, and ever since they changed it to 5v5 I've NEVER felt like picking tank, which is strange for me since I LOVED tank in OW 1. It just saddens me that people like you and me have valid criticisms regarding the current meta, but Blizzard just doesn't seem to wanna listen. It bums me out :(
who tf can take this game seriously any more??? if you wanna have fun playing a tank just roleplay Rein in Elden Ring
Ive been playing overwatch since the open beta for OW1 came out. I was obsessed with it.
Now? I hate playing Tank in OW2. I miss the 6v6 so so much. Everytime i play with friends most of them dont wanna choose tank, and me and another friend have to force ourselfs to do it. Playing tank is no fun at all anymore. And i really liked the lootboxes. It was so satisfying leveling up and getting one. This feeling of getting a reward for playing is gone. And i miss the player level. I loved people being able to see how much i played already, and i loved seeing how much others played. Also will never understand why they took the old maps away.
I want Overwatch 1 back.
The basic goal of all the changes was to appeal to the quickplayers. Make the game casual. All the new heros have no skill utilities. The tanks are wonky and kinda low skill with really simple loops. All the new maps are some type of King of the hill or control point(easy to understand gamemodes). The game is made to GET rid of competitive players and is actively hostile to the "old guard" of players that came from OW1
Jeff Kaplan said on an interview (I'd have to search for it) where he stated the goal of OW was to make a complicated game at release and make it easier over time.
What did they do with legacy pve modes like uprising and retribution? Did they just delete them??? Why do they never bring these back??? It's literally free pve content
Blizzard kept these to "Anniversary" modes only. So, during the rest of the year it is deleted.
@@shadezOW I didnt play ow2 much after season3 but i don't think they ever brought it back for any anniversaries did they?
I recently came back after quitting for the entirety of the OW2 release and I thought I was crazy for feeling the game wasn't right nor fun anymore, in OW1 I used to play a lot and actually liked the loot box system (mostly because you'd get so many of them) and I didn't need to always constantly worry about being 100 to 0'd in seconds just because a McCree or a Venture saw me. After a while I realized that this was not only because I was rusty, but also because the second tank was missing. I think they did the right decision by eliminating one tank instead of one dps or one support, but it would have been better to keep it 6v6 to begin with. I feel like the damage skyrocketed, the defensive options got weaker and, especially with the robot push mode, the game became overrall too damage focused and fast but less skill-reliant, which is not really a good thing in my opinion
Finally someone that mentions LFG. It's what kept the game alive for me and all my friends during the draught.
It was a solid start. It wasn't perfect, but it was a step in the direction the game needed. Crazy Blizzard advertises this game as a game to play with friends without anyway to make friends.
@@shadezOW Yeah, that's why I started calling it antisocialwatch
@@erikstark16 That's what it feels like when I play most of the time. It's crazy how many compliments I'll get for my comms in game but nobody will ever speak while I'm calling out and shot calling.
2cp was better than push game mode imo
It was, say it louder for the people in the back who choose to not listen.
I've been saying since the OW2 beta that 5v5 was a big mistake, it made me mostly quit the game within a couple months and every time I come back I don't feel any better about it. Blizzard has a huge issue where they won't roll back changes they make. They do this with every. single. game. I don't know what it will take for them to suck up their pride and make the changes everyone is begging for but I want my game back blizzard.
I started playing in 2018 I'm a fdps player and i really resonated with everything u just said i miss the macro and the depth of 6v6, I'm a competitive player who scrims like 4 times a week and with bigger hitboxes on basically every projectile I feel like we lost a bunch of skill expression. in ow1 ive basically have always been trained to pick a dps that plays well with my tank and now in ow2 i think that doesn't really matter its better for me to just hard counter whatever tank the enemy is on. Idk this is just a dumb gameplay loop cause thats not how i want to play the game is just the most optimal at least in ranked. Blizzard said they wanted this game to be competitive which i assume means they want an esport but they literally do the bare minimum and now u have a bunch of pro player retiring cause there is no money in it. and as a dps player i can tell you 5v5 is a worse format than 6v6 i really hate having a raid boss tank that i have to kill it can be so frustrating when the enemy tank is just significantly better than mine. I assume for tank players it sucks cause of hard counters u get forced off the heros u want to play more in 5v5 than 6v6 idk the fact the devs wont even have a conversation about going back is just sad cause it clearly is better
6v6 was so much better in every way for dps, pushing aside double shield and goats (which both could have been fixed with better balance) I'm glad to see another fellow OG player!
Overwatch Tank role is create space , block DMG , peel your backline and yeah stay alive while doing all of that at the same time no matter the buffs/rework it will never fix the issue there are only 2 heros that work in 5v5 in my eyes SIGMA because he has mid/long range DMG and 2 ability to mitigate DMG and junker queen because she is a slim version of hog who is a tank version of reaper
i agree with 100% of what you have stated I dont understand why there is still people protecting 5v5. They always say that 6v6 wasnt balanced when it was way more balanced then 5v5 has ever been plus its a comp shooter there will never be a perfect patch for it but 5v5 aint it. Its also the worst feeling having 1 bad tank or just a better enemy tank with good support it just feels like you cant do anything sometimes.
And here I was thinking I was the only person that hated Push.. my OW friends told me I'm way to negative about it but I said from the start that I'd play fucking paris all day If I never have to go see Push
People can like whatever they like, don't get me wrong, but what you're saying here would be the first time I have heard of a situation where more than one person likes push in the same group.
Good stuff, you should keep making these i enjoyed listening
Thank you. I appreciate your kind words, I'll be uploading another video later today with another topic we need to deep dive into as a community.
One issue I have with the video is a technical thing lol. Compared to all other RUclips videos where even at max volume it's very soft on my iphone.
It's bad I know, I received some dm's about how I can improve the editing and I'm incredibly grateful for it. I posted a new video about an hour ago let me know if I got it right.