I'm most impressed with the Intel, as that is currently WAY behind in terms of software graphics optimisation, and there are bound to be some huge gains to be had once developers start catching up with that. I wonder if it can operate over PoE?
Playing all emulations without problems on one portable Handheld and more without any restrictions. All old and new Games on one Hardware. Fucking Amazing.
barely beats previous gen AMD chip with 3 year old GPU architecture....good for intel, finally using that R&D budget literally more than six times bigger than AMD's to get a win
I'd love to see netbooks make a comeback in the mid range market. The smallest laptops we can currently get with modest specification is about 13". I'd like to see some 5500u systems around 8" or 9".
"Steam deck competitor" costs over 2x as much, performs worse (at least from what we've seen so far). Yup. I get it, valve is almost certainly selling at a loss, but still. It's not even close, unless you /need/ the keyboard.
Well the these come with twice the storage as the maxed out steam deck and the steam deck isn’t gonna be sold anywhere besides valve themselves, probably not even on Amazon
@@bryanmiller476 throw a 1tb kioxia bg4 into the deck if you're handy enough and add a microsd card (or have a bunch) for additional games. since you're upgrading storage anyways get the base model deck. Buy a caldigit nano for 230 dollars and rip the bg4 for it. Maybe even throw in a 1tb sandisk extreme for another 200 dollars. 400 + 230 + 200 = 830 dollars. Still 170 dollars short of the gpd win max, and with double the storage (although the microsd will obviously be slower). Use that 170 dollars for an aftermarket keyboard or a dock/usb c hub, or maybe some steam games!
@@moltenhydrogen2218 the steam deck is sold for a huge loss at all storage sizes and done so cuz they have no plans to sell in stores, it’s gonna always remain only available online from valve themselves and they make up money by steam games which they get 30% of all money from anything sold on steam And upgrading the internal storage inside the steam deck isn’t made to be customer friendly and will void the warranty Then you gotta reinstall steamos to get that stock experience back and you don’t even know if that steamos will even be made available like that, we could be looking at a situation where once you erase steamos you are then stuck having to use another os
@@bryanmiller476 No it won't void the warranty. That's illegal in the US. And yes, valve has confirmed that steam os 3 will be available for download. Why would they not have it available for download? Please use common sense if you're going to make up excuses.
Well, half the reason for the steam deck is likely to push adoption of valve's OS (or linux in genreal) too. They seem to want to be freed from being reliant windows.
@@WolvenSpectre I mean, the most value steam deck is the 700 dollars one... And most would still be buying more storage anyway, 1tb MicroSD is about 250 dollars. Cheapest than the ones right now but the steam deck would still come out next year H2. To that moment Zen3+ (with rdna2 GPUs are coming out!).
As good as these are, Valve just blasts them out of the water in pricing. That's the real transformation that Valve is creating, bringing PC gaming down to a cost and level of accessibility that it frankly never had. $400 and you're in.
@@ahsanihafizhu You need to have a reservation to get a steam deck order, and you have needed to use steam for a couple months to get a reservation so most orders shouldnt be bots
Isn't that how the console business has worked for awhile now? They sell a product at a loss for awhile, and recoup the costs with other services that make it profitable.
You say robotics I say networking and penetration testing I mean that things small enough for me to shove in my jackets inside pocket or a small bag with really good spec to size ratio and an inbuilt Ethernet jack and usb 3.0 IO I think that makes it like the perfect solution for anything you'd need to do in the field with a computer
@@tsionwilliamson1385 "perfect solution for anything you'd need to do in the field with a computer" Like hack the Gibson. ruclips.net/video/vYNnPx8fZBs/видео.html
The steam deck looks to beat these by miles. These arent handhelds, they're literally small laptops that look like a nightmare to actually hold. Not to mention being way more expensive and worse performance wise.
@@ligametis But at that point why not just buy a gaming laptop? These things look about as portable but with less power. And sure thunderbolt is there but again, why not just buy a laptop? Is anyone really gonna buy a graphics card to connect these things to? I certainly wouldn't.
@@Marioand64Luigi Are you talking about buying gaming laptop in place of steam deck if you think just about gaming? Agree, gaming laptop is better than a deck with way more performance or even Switch due to library. But these GPD "mini laptops" are unique, they are a full computer, just a lot easier to carry.
@@Marioand64Luigi This is why I decided to just use my phone with a Razer kishi controller to emulate games. And now when cloud gaming is getting more available there is really no need buying a powerful handheld or even a laptop. And if you still want a powerful pc then I think your correct in buying a laptop instead, since the ergonomics of these handhelds are far from optimal if you account for the weight and grip that they have.
@@ligametis I'll say one thing, I type faster on the steam controller than any other controller i've ever used. And its not even close. On an xbox controller, I type like 20 words a minute tops. Steam controller i'm typing as fast as I can text, its amazing. even if you have a controller without touch pads, steam input has this "daisy wheel" thing (although i can't remember if they discontinued it or not) that even made typing faster on xbox controllers
no one talk about battery?? i think It:s the most important thing. Long battery life make switch be a truly portable gaming device. I dont think steam deck can handle an AAA game for 1-2 hour, just like some gaming laptop.
@Rettznom The cost for them is overpriced is because demand and supply is low, to make profit and make back research, marketing and other stuff they have to charge a premium. There is a reason you could've found at times find laptops with a 1650 with ryzen 5 4600h under 600 easily, heck I even bought one under 500. When you have scale then you can keep the prices lower. Those overpriced gamepads in component probably doesn't even cost 400
"Specifically designed for you, the small business owner..." While I appreciate the vote of confidence, I do believe there has been some miscommunication. 😆
Hell, I've been getting e-mails for months now trying to teach me how to improve the logistics of my semi truck fleet. I'm just trying to figure out when I bought one.
Yeah LTT has gotten just big enough that clearly Linus has less and less time to proof the scripts properly. Like ffs if they had watched their own content they would have seen this error. I know the guy just reads off a screen but even Linus in the moment should have grabbed this one.
@AFK SOLITUDE You're recalling his line after the intro music. Before the music, Linus did say that the Win Max 2021 is the "1st GPD product with Intel Xe graphics." I noticed that error too. His editors have made mistakes like this before like when he reviewed the Win 3. Linus mentioned the GPD P2 Max but his editor showed a B-Roll of the GPD Win Max (2020). I'm not surprised if his writer makes such an error too. It's hard since they make a lot of videos per week.
I really like that PC handhelds are going to be a competitive market. Will be really healthy for the handheld market and help compatibility between form factors for applications. Bring it on
"I really like that PC handhelds are going to be a competitive market." No, they won't. No one but Valve will release a handheld at what could be considered a competitive price, everyone else will just buy laptops if theybother at all.
Those ergonomics totally kill it as a gaming device though, whereas the keyboard... Well, I'd neither want to play nor work with that thing for as long as I would have to in order to justify a purchase in the first place.
Honestly, as someone who for the longest time only used a 3DS and DS for mobile gaming, I think I could actually get used to the thing considering its form factor is so similair. What would get me is the position of the sticks and buttons and the overall weight of the thing. Oh and at its price point I would rather buy a laptop and hook an xbox one controller into it.
I run fighting game tournaments here in California, and can confirm that fighting games are 100% tied to being 60fps. Each move has a specific frame data, that assumes the game is running at 60fps. So things can get a little wonky if you run the game at anything other than 60fps.
@@ZedDevStuff From my understanding, yes. All of your attacks, and movement all have specific frame data, that is tied to the game being 60fps. I can use Dragon Ball Fighterz as an example. Most Light attacks in that game have 6 or 7f startup, and at 60fps it looks smooth. If you change the FPS from 60fps to anything else, the game will still have those attacks come out in 6 or 7f, but since the amount of frames you’re getting is different that will cause the game to look much slower if you dip in FPS. Or much quicker if you uncap the frames manually.
Why would use a shit terrible game like that as an example. LOL, you run tournaments for that trash? SF, Tekken and MvC are the only fighting games that matter.
yummy that looks soooo comfortable.......i can almost feel the pain in my wrists already, yeah nice. come on if it has a physical keyboard, it is just no damn "handheld" no matter how powerful
@@orionfell from a more abstract perspective you are absolutely right, but at least a 3ds is not square ^^ and it just really does not look comfortable at all
The rise of handheld PCs/Gaming PCs. Hopefully there will be more options, skus and sizes to fit different budgets and demands. Personally I am hoping for an all spec'ed up 9'+ screen handheld gaming PC that could be my main PC for work and leisure.
I find it much more likely that the steam deck will be the only real handheld pc on the market, and everything else will fall by the wayside. Valve is selling these at a competitive price to gain more msrketshare and get even more people on steam. Other hardware manufacturers are selling these devices and need to make a profit off of the hardware itself, have thin profit margins as if is, and are selling too an incredibly niche and underdeveloped market.
I've been using a win gdp max (prior version) for about a year now as a travel machine and they are decently sturdy and does pretty well with the thunderbolt external gpu. The intl iris in it kind of sucks balls in some games though, like anything pre 2012
Can't help but be the snarky one here. "...for an all spec'ed up 9'+ screen..." You must be a big one if a 9ft wide gaming console is portable to you. Jokes aside, taking the Switch approach and beefing it up by an order of magnitude does sound nice.
@@DwarfBaerdyn The thing I like about it most is the form factor. it fits in a 10 inch box and that can really be nice for travel, rather than keep it stuffed under the car seat or behind the seat in the net, I can keep that bad boy in the glovebox.
In Tekken 6, The Brokenness you were seeing was due to using Asynchronous Shader Compilation in RPCS3, Which skips rendering the objects until the gpu can recompile a shader and put this proccessing on a different CPU thread(s), It's worse on the Intel CPU because that has half the cores, meaning less threads where shader compilation could run.
I'm more of a DOS Box retro gamer. And this thing about shaders with some emulators confuse me. Why doesn't it compile the shaders in advance? They have to be built in active memory on the fly?
@@TheMedievalNerd It's nearly impossible to extract shaders from any given game and recompile them ahead of time since they can be modified before being presented to the emulated GPU, so it ends up being redundant as the shader would need to be recompiled on the fly anyways. There's no way of knowing which shaders will be modified at any given time, so Emulator Developers resort to simply compiling them as fast as possible to minimize stutter.
Valve is the best player on the field. They're pushing Linux gaming hard and we will most definitely be seeing games with anticheat in the near future. I'm excited to see what they do with the Steam Deck, and I'm INCREDIBLY excited to see the capabilities of the Steam Deck. Here's to a decade of hopefully great advancements in technology!
@@billyhatcher643 why would game companies hate Linux? just because they don't support it, it doesn't mean they have a distaste for the platform. it's just not worth it for them
@@billyhatcher643 full time linux users are such a minority that most companies don't care. Many linux users still also use windows OS specifically for games which are incompatible with Linux. So companies don't invest in such a miniscule sector unless it grows, after 5%-10% there will be a decent attention to the platform. It's not some irrational hate lmao
These idiots fell for the core amount hype. 6 cores is barely a thought for actual thinking power users for browsing while a game is loaded. 4 cores is still the most non-VM users will need on a regular basis. You people have hype rot in the brain, you do know clothing brands aren't that different either right?
@Kawaxte it’s a handheld, if you want to do workstation tasks buy/build a workstation; fewer, faster cores, are far more useful here. This isn’t an argument, I was just pointing something out. If you want the best of both worlds, the closest thing is an M1 MBA/Pro, depending on how long your loads are, and how much you care about the slight performance deficit of the Air when it eventually clocks down. But then you can’t game very well, so they’re not very applicable here. They’re just the only true thin-and-light machines competitive with desktops in pro-level workflows.
@@bigmclargehuge1170 with ryzen apus you can "overclock" (tdp increase) them using ryzenadj / renoir mobile tuning and more cores do help with a 25 watt tdp another thing i noticed with my 4700u is that it performs terribly in dx11 games but when using vulkan my fps is greatly improved
I mean at which point do we stop saying "handheld" and start calling it "small notebook" Because honestly, the GPD Win Max is just that. A small notebook.
machines this small used to be called palmbooks (a term coined by HP IIRC). They mostly died out because they're overall terrible to use and cost more than most 13" laptops
So you watched the Video in 1minute. Its out 1minute and your commentary is 1minute old right now. So your PC seems to be blazingly fast if you can comment over the performance already.
I like to believe inside the deep areas of valve there lies a steam deck where there is a bunch of emulated games on it where most people are playing breath of the Wild
Valves pricing strategy is aggressive and highly competitive if you ask me and it obliterates the prices on this systems regardless of spec advantages or disadvantages the only reason I myself would consider the gpd is because of that thunderbolt dock which is amazing to have but is it required for my use? Probably not. I look forward to the steam deck release 😎
Even if they were the same cost as the steam deck, I'd probably still go for the steam deck. I like the form factor of it much better. I'd hate that keyboard being there when trying to play something with the joysticks. If I want a keyboard for the steam deck, I'll get a Bluetooth or USB solution.
The keyboards on these aren't in the way at all. It's like a Nintendo DS but with a keyboard instead of a screen. They are also designed so you won't hit any buttons by accident.
@@Thornskade I think they meant it being in the way as in you have to force your hands around the keyboard to even hold the joysticks instead of them being in front of the keyboard
@@theoriginaldylangreene I think that both brands are good. Sometimes is better AMD and sometimes is better Intel. And we need that... the competition. Because having a competition sometimes leads to lower prices, and I think that nobody has problem with that.
Wow. Paraphrase an observation and the fecal pillars appear. Intel vs AMD. Better / Worse. It depends on the task and the goal. On one game Intel has more frames and more improperly rendered frames. The same game AMD has fewer frames and fewer render errors. What is better depends on whether you want animation stutters when frames drop or if you want all of the frames regardless of whether all objects in view are properly rendered. Who.. The F-K. Cares.
I think you should also test performance at low wattages (10 - 15 watt). That would give around 3 hours of play time or more. Max performance with max power usage is ok but you definitely don't want use device in this mode and constantly charging it to play.
@@bytezero3818 Don't get me started on that. THE PHAWX have a very good assessment on the Wh math, that does stand up, against the theoretical being touted. Like The Phawx, I've been using and testing portables for a long time. I have no doubt that Valve will eventually release a nice device. But the first model ain't it for me.
Yeah Intel struggles to compile shaders while the game is running in multiple emulators. AMD does much better there, often being unnoticeable that it is compiling.
@@Nutt_lemmings It fails to render them at 60 as well for the same time frame. Also when you're benchmarking things you uncap frames to see maximum potential.
"Maybe more broken ... but it runs faster." New Intel technology offering more fps unveiled. They call it "live removal of game assets during gameplay". What isn't there, doesn't need to be computed.
GNZ We, developers need to support that, but we do more offscreen rendering now for ray tracing and all. u need to understand it first! Why you cry that, are you willing to rewrite all titles for this intelGamboy crap????
@@lucasrem Where was I crying? It's clearly just a joke. 😅 besides, even if the assets need to be used for computing GI in the back, there's hardly any denying that visually clipping whole models will result in less compute for textures and possibly reflections, refractions etc...just out of curiosity though is that Tekken title actually even calculating any amount of GI at all?
said this before say it again weirdly enough its just linuses gpd win max amd that gets more fps than the intel version intel one usually gets 10fps more in most games says this on the site too
At least on the Win Max (both versions), there's both a bigger battery (something like 57 Whr to the Deck's 40 Whr) and the CPU/GPU power can be limited to the same 15 W max as the Deck for more playtime
This is one of the situations where the "Why not just buy a laptop" crowd has a point. The controls look awful so you would almost certainly need a controller anyways, adding a ton of girth to its carry size. Its for someone, but not me. Sticking with my steam deck preorder.
From what I've heard, the Win Max actually has some decent ergonomics once you get used to it. Also, the Win 3 has the same Xe Graphics on the i7 model and is much smaller so it can fit in your pocket. The i7 ii65G7 is also likely better for gaming since it likely uses less power, leaving more available for the iGPU.
GPD official post ：”GPD is the better handheld device. Cuz you can run pirate games on our device. And if you know how to do it, you are already better than 99% of ppl. IT IS A FACT.” I mean…wtf?
@@ryle1683 no it's not stupid honestly, phones are only capable of so much, but the person buying this instead of a switch 1. knows about and 2. Probably had a basic understanding of PC gaming
@@michaelroberts5191 i understand the mobile gaming because everyone have a phone these days that when you get bored in a commute or in a long travel you can just pull out a phone and game on it but seriously "Portable Gaming PC"? Competitive gamers knows that's just Marketing BS for kids, if you travel a lot, why not just buy a gaming laptop, you can also use it for work and other stuff rather than these stupid "handheld portable gaming device"
@@ryle1683 in the American market, convenience is King, so small and lighter but still capable will always have a place. That's why phones beat out tablets for our person computing devices
Steam Deck will be better. These don't have LPDDR5-5500 quad channel, these have LPDDR4X-4800 dual channel, and part of why consoles can be good is the GDDR6, so having the newest fastest widest channel memory is incredibly important. As with all other AMD integrated laptops, these are all Vega, not RDNA2. And this is Zen 2, even if it could've been Zen 3. Valve can't use Zen 3 yet, since AMD has none of the Zen 3+RDNA2 custom silicon done yet. As for the Intel chip, those 96 cores are the same as with the 1165G7. The only difference is some number of 100-500MHz depending on the scenario. Which probably won't be helping that much. Really, by far the most important thing is really that the memory is choked on all but the Steam Deck. If you did want to use these, I'd probably buy the Intel just due to the updated iGPU though, but really the better purchase is the Steam Deck by far.
These are actually quad channel lpddr 4266, not that that puts them ahead of the steamdeck, however quad channel with the memory used in these and the steamdeck is not equal to quad channel in a desktop, quad channel here ends up with 128bit width like dual channel desktop ram, unlike quad channel desktop which is 256bit
@Jack Reaver well one can function also like a computer, you can trubleshoot problems in servers, quickly connect it to other computers, overall it can be used for some serious valuable work. While Steam one even though has computer insides can pretty much be only used for gaming, even taking a couple of notes on train would be completed
@@Light-DelaBlue Ridiciolus, too me its looking like a Gimmicky Laptop. The steamdeck and Nintentdo switch are completely differenty things, and different experiences.
I want to raid the LTT office.... because I have a Win Max and the left trigger is very spotty, doesn't like to work, and GPD is not willing to send a replacement or even sell me a replacement 😫
It's really weird to me that I can watch the no-audio closed-captioned "preview" of any of your videos, and my brain just fills in the silence with an imagined version of your voice.
I'm still loving that Gabe is ENCOURAGING this. He WANTS people to he able to play anything on the go with a handheld PC, not a laptop that overheats if it's playing anything other than Sims 2 😂
Laptops have come a long way in terms of good gaming options :V If the laptop overheats, that would be more on the manufacture not making a good enough cooling solution, or even the user trying to push the system too hard. Even the best gaming laptops are high end tier at best, not enthusiast class (which is another step)
@@MrREAPERsz its more about affordability. yes there are tons of powerful laptops to play games with, but what's the point when it costs you 10x more than console/mid tier PC. that's why handheld PC like steam deck is a good idea. Its good enough to run some AAA games but its price is low enough to be an option to console gaming.
I have a 1050 ti Nitro 5 that I run both Destiny 2 and other semi-demanding games on without issue. ... all it took was ubdervolting the CPU with ThrottleStop and locking the fans to max. That said, I did try a 3070 equipped Triton 300 and that thing's awesome.
@@fartyfat6539 laptops are expensive because of portability. You can set up your laptop anywhere and play AAA titles maxed out. The steam deck is a good option, but it's only good because Valve is already rich as hell and can sell at a loss.
So basically they're really small laptops that are uncomfortable to use and only get an hour or so battery life? I'd like to see a comparison of a full day of gaming between this class of laptop, a switch, and an ipad w/keyboard & controller. Maybe throw a laptop with a dedicated GPU in the mix as well.
The best/worst part about testing two completely different GPUs is that the drivers render different settings. So if you put in medium, you might actually be getting just under medium. This is part of driver "tuning" which IMO isn't cheating if it looks the same.
Then again, that might kill of competition when everyone is buying the Deck! Valve can do this low pricing because of how financially successful they already are, AYA or GPD don't nearly have the funds to go that low and make mass contracts and are therefore reliant on ours, however, i find it odd that even with that in mind, most of these recent portables do anything but innovate, using the same internals for years now with the same general reused layouts.
@@CarbonPanther like you said, none of these companies have the resources and reach that valve does, so it will be easy for them to come in and basically corner the market on these specialized handheld PCs. They’ll be offering better performance and most likely better build quality at a better price. Their deal with amd is a huge advantage too, there’s not really anything the other companies can do to compete with that.
I love the steam deck but the lack of thunderbolt is why I'd rather keep my GPD win 3 for now. One of the main reasons I got the win 3 is so I don't have to haul my whole PC to a friend's house and instead just bring the win 3 and an external GPU. Though as soon as one of these portables has zen 4 with a usb 4 port I'll gladly get it.
@@tradeka4206 Not necessarily, the Steam Deck fits a niche, the competitors just need to fine a different one, after all custom computers of an unusual form factor isn't terribly crowded
@@techfreakjames the OneXPlayer layout is far superior. Just use a bluetooth keyboard if one is needed. Win Max is awkward, palms splayed outward, it's a design which will die off.
Loved that. I remember, in its time it had much better games than smartphones have right now. Almost AAA games with decent campaign. For iOS/Android, apart from GTA ports there isn't any, just "mobile games" like Asphalt, or Real Racing. But honestly who wants to play with those?
@@CodeVenomSnakes Kinda. Yea they can run them, but low frame rates and thats at medium settings. So saying it can run them is a bit misleading. Cause for some (like myself) thats not acceptable circumstances at $1k to $1.5k.
@@CodeVenomSnakes Steam Deck is Switch form factor, this is a netbook with analog sticks and controller buttons tacked on tbh I prefer the idea that it's a modern, non-scifi cyberdeck since you can run Linux/WSL on it and just connect to a cloud server or do your own programming in it with something that's small enough to actually feel somewhat comfortable on one's lap
Like, cyberpunk-inspired cyberdecks are kinda impractical and flashy in the real world, netbooks were how the concept (at least in terms of form factor) translated to reality iPad and the ensuing touch-first, content consumption app-first tablets disrupted the netbook market, it's refreshing to see something of a comeback of them, especially more powerful ones
I am surprised GPD didn't jump on the Ryzen APU way sooner. After seeing what my laptop with a 5500U can do, I am 100% in on the low power gaming thing. It's a 7 CU Vega + 12 thread Zen 2 CPU. It can run my whole Steam library native 1080p on 15W. Glorious. Intel Xe looks great on paper, but it is going to take them a long time to prove themselves in the driver space. The DOOM performance is terrible, but it is almost certainly a software issue. They need to get gamers in the driver team. For 15 years Intel HD drivers were optimized for web browsing with no thought for gaming performance. Now they're trying to break into the gaming APU market but the software is still rudimentary like it was in the Core2 days. We're this far into Xe's lifecycle and it can't even run id tech, one of the biggest and most mature engines on the market? Just bad decisions.
The vast majority of my steam library runs without a hitch on tiger lake. So far the only one I have run into issues is Doom eternal. Doom 2016 and Forza run great. I am not sure if Linus cherry picked games that worked poorly on XE or if it was by chance. With how pre-orders went down, I doubt the bulk of people will have a steam deck in hand before we have options for 5nm ryzen apus with rdna 2 being released, or intel's next line of improvements. If someone is watching this to decide what to buy, I would recommend the GPD win 3 for its portable size, great power efficiency, and build quality.
Why on earth would you compare these devices to the steam deck? The form factor is completely different. A small notebook with some type of game controllers versus a from the ground up designed hand held game device. I don’t see the “competition”.
I have a question to the community and you guys at linus Do you think that steam is biting off more than it can chew? I feel like they are normally in the developer pool fighting against epic and the sorts origin even but when they try these console things they're competing against huge company's at this point who are already well known in the field not that im not hoping its solid and does what they claim 😁
And don't forget the drivers! AMDs Linux drivers are miles ahead of their Windows drivers and the same thing is probably true for Intel since they also have FOSS drivers.
lets be real lmao..no one made games optimized for intel cuz they never made any dGPUs to start with until now, but amd on the other hand...im just out of words to describe it. we'll soon find out if its a mess just like amd very soon™
amd opengl drivers on windows are pure sh*t on amd linux opengl drivers are a bit better than the performance of vulkan on windows which its way faster
@@dhgmrz17 the steam deck has half the storage at the highest tier, no windows license, no keyboard, has just one usb c port compared to 2 full I/O ( 2 usb ports type A, two thunderbolt, hdmi and lan port) and you have to buy the steam dock to get that many ports, no free mouse, no free earphones, all of which cost more than the 350 dollar difference if you add them all up. So no, this isnt really too overpriced compared to what youre getting and yes, even against the steam deck.
A steam deck with 1TB built-in and licensed Windows OS will likely be more expensive than this, and it doesn't come with built-in keyboard and the steam deck is much bigger on size with the width at 30cm long, no built-in USB A ports etc. So the con list is very long for the steam deck.
~1:50 "...which means it should be significantly faster than the Ryzen 4800U..." - * *DOUBT* * "...competitive with RDNA2..." - * *LAUGH* * Would be cool, but it's much more complicated that that. It's "trying to buy a laptop in 2021" level of complicated xD
I hope that custom SoC in the steam deck, or something like it, can find its way into tablets. I would love to have a reasonably powerful x86 tablet. My use case of specific drawing apps and java programming interfaces that don't like ARM is super niche, but I'd like to move on from my atom powered tablet from 2017.
I agree, especially if it ended up not only having various features I want (many to list), but if the bootloader wasn't locked down like on Lenovo Yoga Tab 3 Pro so I could go from Android to desktop Linux when I want!
@@kbhasi That would be really sweet. I would love to be able to switch between say, Linux and Windows 10/11 on my development device. It would be much better than having to wait to get home and do the windows things on my workstation, when I really should be able to do those things on-site.
I'm really excited to see the state of this whole category by the time I have a family and no time for proper gaming! I like the idea of the Switch but it doesn't have most of the games I've been playing.
This thing is really ugly, even if it worked better than the steam deck and wasn't more expensive... idk, I don't think think it's worth it. Better to just wait for the steam deck
Valve may not be the only competitor in the field but they’re the only ones bringing their products to market with an affordable price tag that most can afford, unlike their almost/at least $1000 usd gaming ready pcs which aren’t nearly as powerful in a price to price comparison
A lot of these indie devices are much cheaper if you get them through crowdfunding than via retail. Also Valve can afford to sell at a loss, indies cannot.
Good luck matching gpd prices with the steam deck outside the US. Steam deck has lower storage and no windows operating system even at its highest tier option. That would add another 200 dollars. Importing adds another 20% if you’re not in the US. You can already see that in the UK pricing of the steam deck. And while GPD retails at 999 in the US, they’re really closer to 850 to 900 on most Asian resellers. Steam deck is really good value… if you’re in the US. The opposite is true if you’re Asian. These are the realities of import duties. So for me GPD is actually way cheaper and better value, plus it’s available right now… whereas steam deck is only available in real quantities by Q3 2022. By that time, more powerful versions of the GPD will be available. Linus already mentioned anecdotally that the current gpd devices are just as powerful as the steam deck ( albeit at higher tdp and thus lower battery life). The next generation of devices would exceed the steam deck in power or battery life by the time steam deck comes out. So… I don’t buy into valve’s hype, because I bought into it a few years ago with their steam machines and got burned with the overpriced Alienware alpha r2.
@@jamesyu5212 From what I've read the Intel CPU in the Win Max's 2021 refresh is more power-efficient than the AMD CPU version when their TDP is above 15 W -- same as the official limit for the Steam Deck -- but conversely the AMD CPU being more efficient if they're both below 15 W.
@@chortlesg.3641 power efficient is not the right word. The intel cpu has a higher performance ceiling at 15 watt tdp or more, whereas if you care more about efficiency the amd chip beats it especially at 14 watt or below. Let’s just say intel performs 20% better at 28 watts vs. amd at 25 watts. But by that power level you really wouldn’t be calling both “power efficient” because you can only game for an hour or less on full charge.
It's just kind of silly those things would even be called "handheld" it's literally just a small form factor laptop. Just because it has four buttons and a thumbstick does not make it a handheld. Linus is going kind of hyperbole.. yet again...
@@Netsuko It would've been cool if you could fold up the screen all the way like a 2 in 1 And the analog sticks were in the sides of the screen. That would make more ergonomic. These devices suck at being both, a proper laptop and handheld. And at that obnoxious price, you're better off just getting a light gaming laptop that has way better specs (a dedicated gpu).
@@lilkittygirl Obviously these aren’t supposed to be baby’s first computer. What the guy was trying to say though, was that they look like shit. Which they do, especially compared to something as slick looking as the Steam deck
Eh at least they sell multiple form factors. the win-max line runs along side the win 1-3 line. Most people would probably prefer the win 3, but the win max has a bigger screen, bigger battery better performance, and a physical keyboard. So i can't fault them for giving more options
In regards of GPD products: they cool and good, BUT in terms of repair they are worthless - just touching one wrong pin of any controller will definitely burn the cpu with static(from where?!) and i remind you that cpu is mounted with compound, so good luck burning chips! 1.3 year tragedy based on gdp win2(65000 rubles)
Biggest advantage these other devices have is that they are faster with iterations. Experience might not be as smooth. But they will keep pushing for the latest specs at cheaper price than Valve
Those look like a little laptop that the stereotypical bad guy uses to "hack" into stuff
"It's a Unix system! I know this!"
I uploaded my Face Reveal...
ikr. I kinda like it though. It's cute in a weird cyberpunk way.
@@Ebsy1 then the story reveals that it's a GNU system
Using the sticks as well.
We're heading back to the old days of "it depends what you're playing"
Becuse we no longer are on the gamecube and ps2 days
@@thedestroyer3879 i was more refering to the days of Voodoo2/3, Virge, Riva128 etc
@Comas Turda write it on Twitter cuz no one in RUclips will trust you
@Comas Turda i think you secretly love the melanin
@@zequixd519 what
I'm most impressed with the Intel, as that is currently WAY behind in terms of software graphics optimisation, and there are bound to be some huge gains to be had once developers start catching up with that.
I wonder if it can operate over PoE?
Playing all emulations without problems on one portable Handheld and more without any restrictions. All old and new Games on one Hardware. Fucking Amazing.
Well not all Switch Wii U xbox xbox 360 ps3 aren't gonna run but I know what you mean
One use case for a small keyboard with big ish key, especially for someone with small hands, às with 2 keyboards one for rash hand
this is exactly what Valve wants. A bunch of protable PCs that can do anything like a normal PC......including running Steam and/or SteamOS
Exactly. Showing people that running AAA games on portable devices is possible will only be a benefit for them, regardless of system used.
Bingo.
Steam Deck is basically PC 2
no matter who you go for steam wins
@@applehazeva2739 More like PC Lite.
Alternate title: highest end Intel chip barely beats previous gen AMD chip
barely beats previous gen AMD chip with 3 year old GPU architecture....good for intel, finally using that R&D budget literally more than six times bigger than AMD's to get a win
It's more because the intel chip is overheating than anything else
@@Uryendel Bad thermals isn't really an excuse for a mobile chip.
"-While constantly glitching and stuttering" lol
Nah it does not beat old AMD, it's an error margin.
My first thought was "Is the netbook back in the market?" 😀
I actually really liked netbooks but the performance wasn't there so these make me extremely excited.
they never left, current small entry level laptops and chromebooks are exactly the same thing in everything but name and performance
I'd love to see netbooks make a comeback in the mid range market. The smallest laptops we can currently get with modest specification is about 13". I'd like to see some 5500u systems around 8" or 9".
You mean omnibook
The modern netbook is the chromebook
"Steam deck competitor" costs over 2x as much, performs worse (at least from what we've seen so far).
Yup.
I get it, valve is almost certainly selling at a loss, but still. It's not even close, unless you /need/ the keyboard.
Well the these come with twice the storage as the maxed out steam deck and the steam deck isn’t gonna be sold anywhere besides valve themselves, probably not even on Amazon
@@bryanmiller476 I don't think it matters that much because most of the time it's going to be shipping from china, no offense
@@bryanmiller476 throw a 1tb kioxia bg4 into the deck if you're handy enough and add a microsd card (or have a bunch) for additional games. since you're upgrading storage anyways get the base model deck. Buy a caldigit nano for 230 dollars and rip the bg4 for it. Maybe even throw in a 1tb sandisk extreme for another 200 dollars. 400 + 230 + 200 = 830 dollars. Still 170 dollars short of the gpd win max, and with double the storage (although the microsd will obviously be slower). Use that 170 dollars for an aftermarket keyboard or a dock/usb c hub, or maybe some steam games!
@@moltenhydrogen2218 the steam deck is sold for a huge loss at all storage sizes and done so cuz they have no plans to sell in stores, it’s gonna always remain only available online from valve themselves and they make up money by steam games which they get 30% of all money from anything sold on steam
And upgrading the internal storage inside the steam deck isn’t made to be customer friendly and will void the warranty
Then you gotta reinstall steamos to get that stock experience back and you don’t even know if that steamos will even be made available like that, we could be looking at a situation where once you erase steamos you are then stuck having to use another os
@@bryanmiller476 No it won't void the warranty. That's illegal in the US. And yes, valve has confirmed that steam os 3 will be available for download. Why would they not have it available for download? Please use common sense if you're going to make up excuses.
Valve: yes, exactly what we want. We don’t have to make it and people will still buy our games.”
Well, half the reason for the steam deck is likely to push adoption of valve's OS (or linux in genreal) too. They seem to want to be freed from being reliant windows.
yeah... all the people will buy these $1750 GPD PCs instead of a Steam Deck or a compact laptop with a controller and stream the games.
@@WolvenSpectre I mean, the most value steam deck is the 700 dollars one... And most would still be buying more storage anyway, 1tb MicroSD is about 250 dollars.
Cheapest than the ones right now but the steam deck would still come out next year H2.
To that moment Zen3+ (with rdna2 GPUs are coming out!).
So basically, these competitors companies are manufacturing nano-ultrabook gaming laptops that have joysticks. Kek.
@@nexaentertainment2764 I don't think this one was running a Linux environment, but it could. Perhaps?
As good as these are, Valve just blasts them out of the water in pricing. That's the real transformation that Valve is creating, bringing PC gaming down to a cost and level of accessibility that it frankly never had. $400 and you're in.
The thing I'm worried about is how long that price will last. It's some seriously aggressive pricing.
Real talk
@@hassam363 hope that they produced a lot of steamdeck enough so that it's hard to be scalped
@@ahsanihafizhu
You need to have a reservation to get a steam deck order, and you have needed to use steam for a couple months to get a reservation so most orders shouldnt be bots
Isn't that how the console business has worked for awhile now? They sell a product at a loss for awhile, and recoup the costs with other services that make it profitable.
These could be awesome for robotics applications.
ABB has one for their irc5 robot controller and it is trash.
I was searching for a ultrabook / tiny PC for robotics and arrived here.
You say robotics I say networking and penetration testing I mean that things small enough for me to shove in my jackets inside pocket or a small bag with really good spec to size ratio and an inbuilt Ethernet jack and usb 3.0 IO I think that makes it like the perfect solution for anything you'd need to do in the field with a computer
The platform, like a bike this thing that does this thing we want
The idea mana-fest
@@tsionwilliamson1385 "perfect solution for anything you'd need to do in the field with a computer"
Like hack the Gibson.
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The steam deck looks to beat these by miles. These arent handhelds, they're literally small laptops that look like a nightmare to actually hold. Not to mention being way more expensive and worse performance wise.
To be fair they are worse in gaming, but overall way more versatile with that keyboard and even thunderbolt.
@@ligametis But at that point why not just buy a gaming laptop? These things look about as portable but with less power. And sure thunderbolt is there but again, why not just buy a laptop? Is anyone really gonna buy a graphics card to connect these things to? I certainly wouldn't.
@@Marioand64Luigi Are you talking about buying gaming laptop in place of steam deck if you think just about gaming? Agree, gaming laptop is better than a deck with way more performance or even Switch due to library. But these GPD "mini laptops" are unique, they are a full computer, just a lot easier to carry.
@@Marioand64Luigi This is why I decided to just use my phone with a Razer kishi controller to emulate games. And now when cloud gaming is getting more available there is really no need buying a powerful handheld or even a laptop. And if you still want a powerful pc then I think your correct in buying a laptop instead, since the ergonomics of these handhelds are far from optimal if you account for the weight and grip that they have.
@@ligametis I'll say one thing, I type faster on the steam controller than any other controller i've ever used. And its not even close.
On an xbox controller, I type like 20 words a minute tops. Steam controller i'm typing as fast as I can text, its amazing. even if you have a controller without touch pads, steam input has this "daisy wheel" thing (although i can't remember if they discontinued it or not) that even made typing faster on xbox controllers
The problem for everyone except Valve is that AMD APUs with RDNA2 cores are currently exclusive to the Steam Deck...
@Rettznom Economies of scale... lets see what Steam can pull off there
Exclusive? Is that so?
unfortunately, by the time the deck ships and is in the hands of consumers, there will most likely be rdna2 apus in new laptops and desktops.
no one talk about battery?? i think It:s the most important thing. Long battery life make switch be a truly portable gaming device. I dont think steam deck can handle an AAA game for 1-2 hour, just like some gaming laptop.
@Rettznom The cost for them is overpriced is because demand and supply is low, to make profit and make back research, marketing and other stuff they have to charge a premium. There is a reason you could've found at times find laptops with a 1650 with ryzen 5 4600h under 600 easily, heck I even bought one under 500. When you have scale then you can keep the prices lower. Those overpriced gamepads in component probably doesn't even cost 400
"Specifically designed for you, the small business owner..."
While I appreciate the vote of confidence, I do believe there has been some miscommunication. 😆
Hell, I've been getting e-mails for months now trying to teach me how to improve the logistics of my semi truck fleet.
I'm just trying to figure out when I bought one.
I always love how the auto generated subs say "do maternal".
That's one way to read it
😳
I searched for Doom Maternal to see what jokes people made up before even seeing those subtitles. Linus dropping jokes here
Ha!
"Hey, I finished cleaning the menswear section of this department store, which section should I do next?"
"Oh, could you do maternal"
"Doom eternal!?"
"The first GPD handheld with Intel XE Graphics"...
Also Linus, has literally held the GPD Win 3 in his hands....
Ikr I facepalmed when he said that
Savage!
Yeah LTT has gotten just big enough that clearly Linus has less and less time to proof the scripts properly. Like ffs if they had watched their own content they would have seen this error. I know the guy just reads off a screen but even Linus in the moment should have grabbed this one.
@@foxdart LTT has script??
@AFK SOLITUDE You're recalling his line after the intro music. Before the music, Linus did say that the Win Max 2021 is the "1st GPD product with Intel Xe graphics." I noticed that error too. His editors have made mistakes like this before like when he reviewed the Win 3. Linus mentioned the GPD P2 Max but his editor showed a B-Roll of the GPD Win Max (2020). I'm not surprised if his writer makes such an error too. It's hard since they make a lot of videos per week.
Linus: "These are not good for racing games "
Also Linus: * proceeds to test racing games *
he was talking about the controls, not the graphics lmao
Well how are you supposed to know how good it is if you don't test it?
I really like that PC handhelds are going to be a competitive market. Will be really healthy for the handheld market and help compatibility between form factors for applications. Bring it on
"I really like that PC handhelds are going to be a competitive market." No, they won't. No one but Valve will release a handheld at what could be considered a competitive price, everyone else will just buy laptops if theybother at all.
always that one guy who has to be against something
@@nomad_0036 yes, thats the point of discussion. having only one sided opinions lead to flawed and biased views
@@Tippy555 putting somone down is not discussion.
If you call $1750 competitive...
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Those ergonomics totally kill it as a gaming device though, whereas the keyboard... Well, I'd neither want to play nor work with that thing for as long as I would have to in order to justify a purchase in the first place.
Honestly, as someone who for the longest time only used a 3DS and DS for mobile gaming, I think I could actually get used to the thing considering its form factor is so similair. What would get me is the position of the sticks and buttons and the overall weight of the thing.
Oh and at its price point I would rather buy a laptop and hook an xbox one controller into it.
I dont want to hold a laptop
There is no scenario where this would be my preferred device.
Intel: We can make the gpu faster by not rendering some things half the time 🤣
I run fighting game tournaments here in California, and can confirm that fighting games are 100% tied to being 60fps. Each move has a specific frame data, that assumes the game is running at 60fps. So things can get a little wonky if you run the game at anything other than 60fps.
is this why most fighting games slow down instead of loosing frames like most games?
@@ZedDevStuff yes
@@ZedDevStuff From my understanding, yes. All of your attacks, and movement all have specific frame data, that is tied to the game being 60fps. I can use Dragon Ball Fighterz as an example. Most Light attacks in that game have 6 or 7f startup, and at 60fps it looks smooth. If you change the FPS from 60fps to anything else, the game will still have those attacks come out in 6 or 7f, but since the amount of frames you’re getting is different that will cause the game to look much slower if you dip in FPS. Or much quicker if you uncap the frames manually.
@@ZedDevStuff That's exactly why. Frame based physics means that as it loses frames, it physically takes longer to calculate each thing.
Why would use a shit terrible game like that as an example.
LOL, you run tournaments for that trash?
SF, Tekken and MvC are the only fighting games that matter.
yummy that looks soooo comfortable.......i can almost feel the pain in my wrists already, yeah nice. come on if it has a physical keyboard, it is just no damn "handheld" no matter how powerful
Idk doesn’t look too different than like a big 3ds
@@orionfell from a more abstract perspective you are absolutely right, but at least a 3ds is not square ^^ and it just really does not look comfortable at all
The rise of handheld PCs/Gaming PCs.
Hopefully there will be more options, skus and sizes to fit different budgets and demands.
Personally I am hoping for an all spec'ed up 9'+ screen handheld gaming PC that could be my main PC for work and leisure.
I find it much more likely that the steam deck will be the only real handheld pc on the market, and everything else will fall by the wayside. Valve is selling these at a competitive price to gain more msrketshare and get even more people on steam. Other hardware manufacturers are selling these devices and need to make a profit off of the hardware itself, have thin profit margins as if is, and are selling too an incredibly niche and underdeveloped market.
this more like the revival of netbooks and portable pc console at the same time.
I've been using a win gdp max (prior version) for about a year now as a travel machine and they are decently sturdy and does pretty well with the thunderbolt external gpu.
The intl iris in it kind of sucks balls in some games though, like anything pre 2012
Can't help but be the snarky one here.
"...for an all spec'ed up 9'+ screen..."
You must be a big one if a 9ft wide gaming console is portable to you.
Jokes aside, taking the Switch approach and beefing it up by an order of magnitude does sound nice.
@@DwarfBaerdyn The thing I like about it most is the form factor. it fits in a 10 inch box and that can really be nice for travel, rather than keep it stuffed under the car seat or behind the seat in the net, I can keep that bad boy in the glovebox.
In Tekken 6, The Brokenness you were seeing was due to using Asynchronous Shader Compilation in RPCS3, Which skips rendering the objects until the gpu can recompile a shader and put this proccessing on a different CPU thread(s), It's worse on the Intel CPU because that has half the cores, meaning less threads where shader compilation could run.
I'm more of a DOS Box retro gamer. And this thing about shaders with some emulators confuse me. Why doesn't it compile the shaders in advance? They have to be built in active memory on the fly?
@@TheMedievalNerd It's nearly impossible to extract shaders from any given game and recompile them ahead of time since they can be modified before being presented to the emulated GPU, so it ends up being redundant as the shader would need to be recompiled on the fly anyways. There's no way of knowing which shaders will be modified at any given time, so Emulator Developers resort to simply compiling them as fast as possible to minimize stutter.
@@TheMedievalNerd Interesting.
@@RayTRX8 Awww! Thank you so very much for the detailed explanation! And now I know!
@@TheMedievalNerd No Problem 😊
If anyone’s curious about the price and just lazy to look it up here apparently it’s around $999.99 on Amazon while the Full price is about $1,049.99
And it sucks compared to the steam deck
Currently £1399.99 on Amazon UK, exactly 4 times the price of the 64GB model of the Steam Deck.
Valve is the best player on the field. They're pushing Linux gaming hard and we will most definitely be seeing games with anticheat in the near future. I'm excited to see what they do with the Steam Deck, and I'm INCREDIBLY excited to see the capabilities of the Steam Deck. Here's to a decade of hopefully great advancements in technology!
linux gaming should have been on top years ago. sad its still yet to happen but, hey, its gonna happen!
i agree cause game companies hate linux alot so i bet theyll make it impossible to play them on linux
@@billyhatcher643 why would game companies hate Linux? just because they don't support it, it doesn't mean they have a distaste for the platform. it's just not worth it for them
@@billyhatcher643 full time linux users are such a minority that most companies don't care.
Many linux users still also use windows OS specifically for games which are incompatible with Linux.
So companies don't invest in such a miniscule sector unless it grows, after 5%-10% there will be a decent attention to the platform.
It's not some irrational hate lmao
@@myopinionbetter4287 plus Linux community tend hate closed source software so there that as well
"Intel's top of the line...it promises to be an absolute beast, it's got 4-cores...." oh I see, Intel gets a participation trophy now.
More cores isn't necessarily going to help if you're limited to 25w.
@Kawaxte which is a lot slower than the competition in single-core, which is way more important for a device like this. So what's your point?
These idiots fell for the core amount hype.
6 cores is barely a thought for actual thinking power users for browsing while a game is loaded.
4 cores is still the most non-VM users will need on a regular basis.
You people have hype rot in the brain, you do know clothing brands aren't that different either right?
@Kawaxte it’s a handheld, if you want to do workstation tasks buy/build a workstation; fewer, faster cores, are far more useful here. This isn’t an argument, I was just pointing something out. If you want the best of both worlds, the closest thing is an M1 MBA/Pro, depending on how long your loads are, and how much you care about the slight performance deficit of the Air when it eventually clocks down. But then you can’t game very well, so they’re not very applicable here. They’re just the only true thin-and-light machines competitive with desktops in pro-level workflows.
@@bigmclargehuge1170 with ryzen apus you can "overclock" (tdp increase) them using ryzenadj / renoir mobile tuning
and more cores do help with a 25 watt tdp
another thing i noticed with my 4700u is that it performs terribly in dx11 games but when using vulkan my fps is greatly improved
I mean at which point do we stop saying "handheld" and start calling it "small notebook" Because honestly, the GPD Win Max is just that. A small notebook.
May we call it a netbook. Coz they were small notebooks
@. not really
@. not really
machines this small used to be called palmbooks (a term coined by HP IIRC). They mostly died out because they're overall terrible to use and cost more than most 13" laptops
10x smaller and it's still more powerful than my PC...
Not just 10x smaller but also 10x more expensive than your computer
So you watched the Video in 1minute. Its out 1minute and your commentary is 1minute old right now. So your PC seems to be blazingly fast if you can comment over the performance already.
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@@peekachugaming3231 I'm on my 4.5 year old phone...
I like to believe inside the deep areas of valve there lies a steam deck where there is a bunch of emulated games on it where most people are playing breath of the Wild
Lol, I'm actually playing breath of the wild right now on my 2-in-1 gaming laptop (in tablet mode of course xP)
It's funny that even when you are valve the only games worth playing are made by Nintendo
When BOTW released I'm pretty sure there was a huge race to see who could crack it for PC first. It took very, very little time
@@calebstuder448 yeah but im fairly certain all the early builds of it were running the inferior wii u version
@@GenuineRage it’s the best version when emulated
Valves pricing strategy is aggressive and highly competitive if you ask me and it obliterates the prices on this systems regardless of spec advantages or disadvantages the only reason I myself would consider the gpd is because of that thunderbolt dock which is amazing to have but is it required for my use? Probably not. I look forward to the steam deck release 😎
they've been here
Even if they were the same cost as the steam deck, I'd probably still go for the steam deck. I like the form factor of it much better. I'd hate that keyboard being there when trying to play something with the joysticks. If I want a keyboard for the steam deck, I'll get a Bluetooth or USB solution.
The keyboards on these aren't in the way at all. It's like a Nintendo DS but with a keyboard instead of a screen. They are also designed so you won't hit any buttons by accident.
Yeah steam definitely wins in ergonomics
Not to mention that RDNA2 will be faster than the two.
@@Thornskade I think they meant it being in the way as in you have to force your hands around the keyboard to even hold the joysticks instead of them being in front of the keyboard
@@dramaticmudderer5208 You don't have to. These keys don't get pressed by accident.
“It’s definitely broken on Intel, but it runs faster.”
Great. Intel can render errors faster than AMD can render properly.
Best optimization in programming, do less stuff
@@idkanymore3382 Intel's latest flagship just barely scrapes past AMD's previous generation....It's Intel fans that are seething.
@@theoriginaldylangreene I think that both brands are good. Sometimes is better AMD and sometimes is better Intel. And we need that... the competition. Because having a competition sometimes leads to lower prices, and I think that nobody has problem with that.
@@andyastrand why do you care? Is your girlfriend trans?
Wow. Paraphrase an observation and the fecal pillars appear.
Intel vs AMD. Better / Worse. It depends on the task and the goal.
On one game Intel has more frames and more improperly rendered frames. The same game AMD has fewer frames and fewer render errors. What is better depends on whether you want animation stutters when frames drop or if you want all of the frames regardless of whether all objects in view are properly rendered.
Who.. The F-K. Cares.
I think you should also test performance at low wattages (10 - 15 watt). That would give around 3 hours of play time or more. Max performance with max power usage is ok but you definitely don't want use device in this mode and constantly charging it to play.
I’d be carrying around a power brick in my pocket with a 6 foot USB cable to charge while I played 😆
sergeybond97
What u use now, is it better ???
This is for kids, not the nerdy games in mums house.
@@lucasrem lolwut?
@@lucasrem have a day off
@@lucasrem this is absolutely for the nerdy gamers living in mom's basement
The DS was so ahead of its time - I mean just look at this, it's literally a BIG 3DS xD
Lol
What about dual screen Game & Watch
I'd rather play on my DS than this tbh
this is a laptop....
@@jesusbarrera6916 yeah, a laptop with sticks
Too bad most of these “hand held” devices, literally cost the same as a budget gaming laptop with actual performance and cooling…
Ain't no gaming laptop going for 599. Only talking steamdeck
@@sumeunggai5665 ... With a GIMPED storage option, no less.
Give me 2282 or nothing at all.
And no battery time to speak of.
I mean, the non-max GPD Wins can literally fit in your pocket, so you're paying for convenience there
@@bytezero3818 Don't get me started on that. THE PHAWX have a very good assessment on the Wh math, that does stand up, against the theoretical being touted.
Like The Phawx, I've been using and testing portables for a long time. I have no doubt that Valve will eventually release a nice device. But the first model ain't it for me.
Intel only runs faster on Tekken 6 because it's literally not rendering some of the graphics.
Yeah Intel struggles to compile shaders while the game is running in multiple emulators. AMD does much better there, often being unnoticeable that it is compiling.
Bruh the games not meant to be played above or below 60fps
@@Nutt_lemmings It fails to render them at 60 as well for the same time frame. Also when you're benchmarking things you uncap frames to see maximum potential.
it’s just a laptop, but with small size 🤦♂️
Marketed towards kids, any adult with a functioning brain knows that this is stupid.
@@ryle1683 Kids wouldn't have the money to buy it
@@ryle1683 its clearly not marketed toward kids lol
And less computing power
@@Halohalo1751 because it doesn't have a dedicated GPU?
the APU it uses is also used in full size laptops in 800 to 1000$ range.
"Maybe more broken ... but it runs faster."
New Intel technology offering more fps unveiled. They call it "live removal of game assets during gameplay". What isn't there, doesn't need to be computed.
GNZ
We, developers need to support that, but we do more offscreen rendering now for ray tracing and all.
u need to understand it first! Why you cry that, are you willing to rewrite all titles for this intelGamboy crap????
@@lucasrem Where was I crying? It's clearly just a joke. 😅 besides, even if the assets need to be used for computing GI in the back, there's hardly any denying that visually clipping whole models will result in less compute for textures and possibly reflections, refractions etc...just out of curiosity though is that Tekken title actually even calculating any amount of GI at all?
said this before say it again weirdly enough its just linuses gpd win max amd that gets more fps than the intel version intel one usually gets 10fps more in most games says this on the site too
“Who needs stutter when you’ve got butter.” -Linus 2021
Literally read this as he said it. Surreal.
@@Maindric it happens to me so often that it gets creepy 😂
If they made a shirt with this saying I’d buy it
why quote something he said?
@@mrbrittas3254 why quote anything at all? Just looking at it, it's obvious OP liked it enough to provide emphasis to it.
9:36 Production gets tired of correcting Linus and slaps stickers on the screen to keep him from mixing them up.
Meh, Deck has far better controls/ergonomics. And power efficiency a.k.a. playtime.
And price and performance...
Don't jump the gun, let it release first
At least on the Win Max (both versions), there's both a bigger battery (something like 57 Whr to the Deck's 40 Whr) and the CPU/GPU power can be limited to the same 15 W max as the Deck for more playtime
@@chortlesg.3641 Considering they have lower performance at 25W, I don't see how further reducing that to 15W would help other than in battery.
@@gabe4360 Helping with the battery is exactly what I meant re: TDP down to 15 W on either version of the Win Max.
This is one of the situations where the "Why not just buy a laptop" crowd has a point. The controls look awful so you would almost certainly need a controller anyways, adding a ton of girth to its carry size. Its for someone, but not me. Sticking with my steam deck preorder.
From what I've heard, the Win Max actually has some decent ergonomics once you get used to it. Also, the Win 3 has the same Xe Graphics on the i7 model and is much smaller so it can fit in your pocket. The i7 ii65G7 is also likely better for gaming since it likely uses less power, leaving more available for the iGPU.
@@MrFastFox666 Never put a device(or anything) with joysticks out and vulnerable without a cover or something in your pocket, it damages them
GPD official post ：”GPD is the better handheld device. Cuz you can run pirate games on our device. And if you know how to do it, you are already better than 99% of ppl. IT IS A FACT.”
I mean…wtf?
"The best intel graphics to date"
That was a very low bar to beat
The “average customer” wouldn’t be buying this😂
Exactly, "handheld portable gaming" is stupid.
@@ryle1683 no it's not stupid honestly, phones are only capable of so much, but the person buying this instead of a switch 1. knows about and 2. Probably had a basic understanding of PC gaming
@@michaelroberts5191 i understand the mobile gaming because everyone have a phone these days that when you get bored in a commute or in a long travel you can just pull out a phone and game on it but seriously "Portable Gaming PC"? Competitive gamers knows that's just Marketing BS for kids, if you travel a lot, why not just buy a gaming laptop, you can also use it for work and other stuff rather than these stupid "handheld portable gaming device"
@@ryle1683 in the American market, convenience is King, so small and lighter but still capable will always have a place. That's why phones beat out tablets for our person computing devices
@@michaelroberts5191 Yeah, i guess it's a western thing, have a nice day
actually the GPD win 3 also has Intel XE graphics
Steam Deck will be better. These don't have LPDDR5-5500 quad channel, these have LPDDR4X-4800 dual channel, and part of why consoles can be good is the GDDR6, so having the newest fastest widest channel memory is incredibly important.
As with all other AMD integrated laptops, these are all Vega, not RDNA2. And this is Zen 2, even if it could've been Zen 3. Valve can't use Zen 3 yet, since AMD has none of the Zen 3+RDNA2 custom silicon done yet.
As for the Intel chip, those 96 cores are the same as with the 1165G7. The only difference is some number of 100-500MHz depending on the scenario. Which probably won't be helping that much.
Really, by far the most important thing is really that the memory is choked on all but the Steam Deck.
If you did want to use these, I'd probably buy the Intel just due to the updated iGPU though, but really the better purchase is the Steam Deck by far.
Even for productivity the steam deck isn't so bad. Just use an external keyboard, though some sort of stand may be necessary too.
When you will be able to buy deck here and now I think GPD will already have something better. Steam Deck also doesn't have a keyboard.
These are actually quad channel lpddr 4266, not that that puts them ahead of the steamdeck, however quad channel with the memory used in these and the steamdeck is not equal to quad channel in a desktop, quad channel here ends up with 128bit width like dual channel desktop ram, unlike quad channel desktop which is 256bit
@Jack Reaver well one can function also like a computer, you can trubleshoot problems in servers, quickly connect it to other computers, overall it can be used for some serious valuable work. While Steam one even though has computer insides can pretty much be only used for gaming, even taking a couple of notes on train would be completed
@@ligametis the stuff ur talking about is all the reasons to get a small laptop lol
Ok youre telling me that "competitor" isnt just a fucking small Laptop, like cmon now
Mum can we have a steam deck?
We already have a steam deck
The steam deck at home:
for 1300USD....... taht HURT compared to the 599USD of the steam deck!
@@Light-DelaBlue Ridiciolus, too me its looking like a Gimmicky Laptop. The steamdeck and Nintentdo switch are completely differenty things, and different experiences.
GPD already makes products focused on gaming, this is also focused on work
Those devices look ugly and bulky as F*ck! No thanks I will stay with my Steam Deck order.
I'm not surprised the Intel was faster in many cases, it was rendering half as much.
Yeah Linus. We've seen these before. 🙄 Theres a reason why we're waiting for Steamdeck
I want to raid the LTT office.... because I have a Win Max and the left trigger is very spotty, doesn't like to work, and GPD is not willing to send a replacement or even sell me a replacement 😫
"We made it to where the Master Chief is standing on his thing."
My brain just blue-screened xD
I’m glad I’m not alone!!
I'm glad I'm not alone!! (1)
I'm glad I'm not alone!! (2)
It's really weird to me that I can watch the no-audio closed-captioned "preview" of any of your videos, and my brain just fills in the silence with an imagined version of your voice.
I'm still loving that Gabe is ENCOURAGING this. He WANTS people to he able to play anything on the go with a handheld PC, not a laptop that overheats if it's playing anything other than Sims 2 😂
Laptops have come a long way in terms of good gaming options :V
If the laptop overheats, that would be more on the manufacture not making a good enough cooling solution, or even the user trying to push the system too hard.
Even the best gaming laptops are high end tier at best, not enthusiast class (which is another step)
Laptops today are just as powerful as most gaming desktops
@@MrREAPERsz its more about affordability. yes there are tons of powerful laptops to play games with, but what's the point when it costs you 10x more than console/mid tier PC.
that's why handheld PC like steam deck is a good idea. Its good enough to run some AAA games but its price is low enough to be an option to console gaming.
I have a 1050 ti Nitro 5 that I run both Destiny 2 and other semi-demanding games on without issue.
... all it took was ubdervolting the CPU with ThrottleStop and locking the fans to max. That said, I did try a 3070 equipped Triton 300 and that thing's awesome.
@@fartyfat6539 laptops are expensive because of portability. You can set up your laptop anywhere and play AAA titles maxed out.
The steam deck is a good option, but it's only good because Valve is already rich as hell and can sell at a loss.
So basically they're really small laptops that are uncomfortable to use and only get an hour or so battery life?
I'd like to see a comparison of a full day of gaming between this class of laptop, a switch, and an ipad w/keyboard & controller. Maybe throw a laptop with a dedicated GPU in the mix as well.
The best/worst part about testing two completely different GPUs is that the drivers render different settings. So if you put in medium, you might actually be getting just under medium. This is part of driver "tuning" which IMO isn't cheating if it looks the same.
Depends on the driver settings
The best part is that, you don't have to be the bad guy
You've left out the most import thing out, Steam Deck is the lowest price PC handheld !
I canceled my funding for these when I heard the steamdeck was coming, best choice I’ve made.
Then again, that might kill of competition when everyone is buying the Deck!
Valve can do this low pricing because of how financially successful they already are, AYA or GPD don't nearly have the funds to go that low and make mass contracts and are therefore reliant on ours, however, i find it odd that even with that in mind, most of these recent portables do anything but innovate, using the same internals for years now with the same general reused layouts.
Same, I considered the Win 3 until I saw the deck. Don't see how this one's any different than that.
@@CarbonPanther like you said, none of these companies have the resources and reach that valve does, so it will be easy for them to come in and basically corner the market on these specialized handheld PCs. They’ll be offering better performance and most likely better build quality at a better price. Their deal with amd is a huge advantage too, there’s not really anything the other companies can do to compete with that.
I love the steam deck but the lack of thunderbolt is why I'd rather keep my GPD win 3 for now. One of the main reasons I got the win 3 is so I don't have to haul my whole PC to a friend's house and instead just bring the win 3 and an external GPU. Though as soon as one of these portables has zen 4 with a usb 4 port I'll gladly get it.
@@tradeka4206 Not necessarily, the Steam Deck fits a niche, the competitors just need to fine a different one, after all custom computers of an unusual form factor isn't terribly crowded
It does look less usable as a handheld though
When he played doom it looked pretty comfortable
It does look more usable as a laptop though
Win Max is uncomfortable vs OneXPlayer
I have the Win Max and it's pretty comfortable. Majority of the reviewers of the OG Win Max liked it too.
@@techfreakjames the OneXPlayer layout is far superior. Just use a bluetooth keyboard if one is needed. Win Max is awkward, palms splayed outward, it's a design which will die off.
Please make a video on versus steam deck and gpd win 3 and gpd win max 3 and alienware ufo please make a video on this.please linus
The steam deck is offering similar performance at half the power. ~15 watts.
and half the price
*Better performance
@@stealthysaucepan2016 + better ergonomics
+better battery life
@@_Chad_ThunderCock +better in general
And these competitors can too be yours, for only the low low price of 3 Steam Decks.
But these are 1000 dollars, different price brackets entirely. I'm interested in both but not for that price
Not to mention these are a different form factor entierly.
But like...the steam deck is a handheld...these are just small laptops. With thumbsticks.
GPD makes a portable the size of a switch lite, it's not as powerful as the steam deck but much more portable
I still think PSP was 10 years ahead of its time.
Loved that. I remember, in its time it had much better games than smartphones have right now. Almost AAA games with decent campaign. For iOS/Android, apart from GTA ports there isn't any, just "mobile games" like Asphalt, or Real Racing. But honestly who wants to play with those?
Valve doesn't mind competing hardware as long as you can run Steam on it.
Finally, the gaming netbook
_Finally_ we can have cyberdecks after 10 years of iPads disrupting that market
They are not netbook but switch form factor for pc and powerful enough for AAA games.
@@CodeVenomSnakes they are basically netbooks dude
@@CodeVenomSnakes Kinda. Yea they can run them, but low frame rates and thats at medium settings. So saying it can run them is a bit misleading. Cause for some (like myself) thats not acceptable circumstances at $1k to $1.5k.
@@CodeVenomSnakes Steam Deck is Switch form factor, this is a netbook with analog sticks and controller buttons tacked on
tbh I prefer the idea that it's a modern, non-scifi cyberdeck since you can run Linux/WSL on it and just connect to a cloud server or do your own programming in it with something that's small enough to actually feel somewhat comfortable on one's lap
Like, cyberpunk-inspired cyberdecks are kinda impractical and flashy in the real world, netbooks were how the concept (at least in terms of form factor) translated to reality
iPad and the ensuing touch-first, content consumption app-first tablets disrupted the netbook market, it's refreshing to see something of a comeback of them, especially more powerful ones
I am surprised GPD didn't jump on the Ryzen APU way sooner. After seeing what my laptop with a 5500U can do, I am 100% in on the low power gaming thing. It's a 7 CU Vega + 12 thread Zen 2 CPU. It can run my whole Steam library native 1080p on 15W. Glorious.
Intel Xe looks great on paper, but it is going to take them a long time to prove themselves in the driver space. The DOOM performance is terrible, but it is almost certainly a software issue. They need to get gamers in the driver team. For 15 years Intel HD drivers were optimized for web browsing with no thought for gaming performance. Now they're trying to break into the gaming APU market but the software is still rudimentary like it was in the Core2 days. We're this far into Xe's lifecycle and it can't even run id tech, one of the biggest and most mature engines on the market? Just bad decisions.
Totally agree. Doom runs perfectly on intel tiger lake early on, suddenly it’s broken after a game update??? This is unacceptable.
The vast majority of my steam library runs without a hitch on tiger lake. So far the only one I have run into issues is Doom eternal. Doom 2016 and Forza run great. I am not sure if Linus cherry picked games that worked poorly on XE or if it was by chance. With how pre-orders went down, I doubt the bulk of people will have a steam deck in hand before we have options for 5nm ryzen apus with rdna 2 being released, or intel's next line of improvements. If someone is watching this to decide what to buy, I would recommend the GPD win 3 for its portable size, great power efficiency, and build quality.
Why on earth would you compare these devices to the steam deck? The form factor is completely different. A small notebook with some type of game controllers versus a from the ground up designed hand held game device. I don’t see the “competition”.
portable handheld gaming pc, that's the category.
I love when the captions just say “???” When a background person speaks . I love the LTT editors
The title is misleading gpd win max was released before the steam deck was even revealed
"we've invented the laptop, but smaller"
3 years ago
Netbooks: let me introduce myself
“Who needs stutter when you’ve got butter?” Please make this into a shirt
Yes
I have a question to the community and you guys at linus
Do you think that steam is biting off more than it can chew? I feel like they are normally in the developer pool fighting against epic and the sorts origin even but when they try these console things they're competing against huge company's at this point who are already well known in the field not that im not hoping its solid and does what they claim 😁
I imagine those machines would be even better if you installed Linux on them. That windows overhead is terrible.
Agreed. If I were to buy one, I would replace Windows with SteamOS.
@@SnowyRVulpix same!
And don't forget the drivers! AMDs Linux drivers are miles ahead of their Windows drivers and the same thing is probably true for Intel since they also have FOSS drivers.
Linus: Come one Intel, you are releasing discreet gpus with a trash driver...
AMD driver team: 👀👀👀
Linux open source AMD drivers: 👀👀👀👀
lets be real lmao..no one made games optimized for intel cuz they never made any dGPUs to start with until now, but amd on the other hand...im just out of words to describe it.
we'll soon find out if its a mess just like amd very soon™
Intel has a LOT of work cut out for them in the driver department...
Actually, Intel integrated graphics drivers on Linux are also open source.
amd opengl drivers on windows are pure sh*t on amd linux opengl drivers are a bit better than the performance of vulkan on windows which its way faster
Anyone else laugh whenever he says motion blur turned off. I agree with Linus worst feature ever.
As soon as Linus said GPD, we all rolled our eyes and knew the pricing was going to be outrageous
Relative to what? Which umpcs with equivalent specs are cheaper?
@@jamesyu5212 Well, the Steam Deck if you're comparing it to that
@@dhgmrz17 the steam deck has half the storage at the highest tier, no windows license, no keyboard, has just one usb c port compared to 2 full I/O ( 2 usb ports type A, two thunderbolt, hdmi and lan port) and you have to buy the steam dock to get that many ports, no free mouse, no free earphones, all of which cost more than the 350 dollar difference if you add them all up. So no, this isnt really too overpriced compared to what youre getting and yes, even against the steam deck.
linus is just mumbling marking sheets...
A steam deck with 1TB built-in and licensed Windows OS will likely be more expensive than this, and it doesn't come with built-in keyboard and the steam deck is much bigger on size with the width at 30cm long, no built-in USB A ports etc.
So the con list is very long for the steam deck.
Ah, Little Big Planet. I grew up on that series. We need a new one 😭
Hopefully in a couple years these things can all start shipping with SteamOS or some other distro.
Highly unlikely GPD will release linux drivers. So far they have relied on the Linux community for drivers.
"latest book in Lord Gaben's Gospel." nice one there. Props to the writers for that one.
~1:50
"...which means it should be significantly faster than the Ryzen 4800U..." - * *DOUBT* *
"...competitive with RDNA2..." - * *LAUGH* *
Would be cool, but it's much more complicated that that. It's "trying to buy a laptop in 2021" level of complicated xD
I hope that custom SoC in the steam deck, or something like it, can find its way into tablets. I would love to have a reasonably powerful x86 tablet. My use case of specific drawing apps and java programming interfaces that don't like ARM is super niche, but I'd like to move on from my atom powered tablet from 2017.
I agree, especially if it ended up not only having various features I want (many to list), but if the bootloader wasn't locked down like on Lenovo Yoga Tab 3 Pro so I could go from Android to desktop Linux when I want!
@@kbhasi That would be really sweet. I would love to be able to switch between say, Linux and Windows 10/11 on my development device. It would be much better than having to wait to get home and do the windows things on my workstation, when I really should be able to do those things on-site.
I'm really excited to see the state of this whole category by the time I have a family and no time for proper gaming! I like the idea of the Switch but it doesn't have most of the games I've been playing.
This thing is really ugly, even if it worked better than the steam deck and wasn't more expensive... idk, I don't think think it's worth it. Better to just wait for the steam deck
Valve may not be the only competitor in the field but they’re the only ones bringing their products to market with an affordable price tag that most can afford, unlike their almost/at least $1000 usd gaming ready pcs which aren’t nearly as powerful in a price to price comparison
A lot of these indie devices are much cheaper if you get them through crowdfunding than via retail. Also Valve can afford to sell at a loss, indies cannot.
Dont forget that the gpu is between an rx 5700 and rx 6900 xt
Good luck matching gpd prices with the steam deck outside the US. Steam deck has lower storage and no windows operating system even at its highest tier option. That would add another 200 dollars. Importing adds another 20% if you’re not in the US. You can already see that in the UK pricing of the steam deck. And while GPD retails at 999 in the US, they’re really closer to 850 to 900 on most Asian resellers.
Steam deck is really good value… if you’re in the US. The opposite is true if you’re Asian. These are the realities of import duties. So for me GPD is actually way cheaper and better value, plus it’s available right now… whereas steam deck is only available in real quantities by Q3 2022. By that time, more powerful versions of the GPD will be available. Linus already mentioned anecdotally that the current gpd devices are just as powerful as the steam deck ( albeit at higher tdp and thus lower battery life). The next generation of devices would exceed the steam deck in power or battery life by the time steam deck comes out.
So… I don’t buy into valve’s hype, because I bought into it a few years ago with their steam machines and got burned with the overpriced Alienware alpha r2.
@@jamesyu5212 From what I've read the Intel CPU in the Win Max's 2021 refresh is more power-efficient than the AMD CPU version when their TDP is above 15 W -- same as the official limit for the Steam Deck -- but conversely the AMD CPU being more efficient if they're both below 15 W.
@@chortlesg.3641 power efficient is not the right word. The intel cpu has a higher performance ceiling at 15 watt tdp or more, whereas if you care more about efficiency the amd chip beats it especially at 14 watt or below.
Let’s just say intel performs 20% better at 28 watts vs. amd at 25 watts. But by that power level you really wouldn’t be calling both “power efficient” because you can only game for an hour or less on full charge.
Those look more like mini laptops with thumbsticks rather than a handheld pc
It's just kind of silly those things would even be called "handheld" it's literally just a small form factor laptop. Just because it has four buttons and a thumbstick does not make it a handheld. Linus is going kind of hyperbole.. yet again...
@@Netsuko
It would've been cool if you could fold up the screen all the way like a 2 in 1
And the analog sticks were in the sides of the screen.
That would make more ergonomic.
These devices suck at being both, a proper laptop and handheld.
And at that obnoxious price, you're better off just getting a light gaming laptop that has way better specs (a dedicated gpu).
Man, the fan on that thing is super noisy, especially considering Linus's mic is far away from the device and it's picking it up
The form factor for these types of devices is very important. This looks good as a child's first computer.
It’s great for anyone. This is definitely far beyond what a child should be using.
These are enthusiast adult gaming machines
@@lilkittygirl Obviously these aren’t supposed to be baby’s first computer. What the guy was trying to say though, was that they look like shit. Which they do, especially compared to something as slick looking as the Steam deck
Switch like form factor is better way for gaming
The form factor they've chosen for these is ridiculous. xD
Eh at least they sell multiple form factors. the win-max line runs along side the win 1-3 line. Most people would probably prefer the win 3, but the win max has a bigger screen, bigger battery better performance, and a physical keyboard. So i can't fault them for giving more options
In regards of GPD products: they cool and good, BUT in terms of repair they are worthless - just touching one wrong pin of any controller will definitely burn the cpu with static(from where?!) and i remind you that cpu is mounted with compound, so good luck burning chips!
1.3 year tragedy based on gdp win2(65000 rubles)
That's not a handheld console, that's straight up a beefy netbook, not nearly a Steam Deck competitor.
When i had a gpd win 2, i thought it was Revolution
Look where we are now.
Biggest advantage these other devices have is that they are faster with iterations. Experience might not be as smooth. But they will keep pushing for the latest specs at cheaper price than Valve