Apollo's hand in the original version looks MORE REALISTIC than the CGI-generated hand, although it was done correctly when the star ship's phasers struck the temple, effectively neutralizing the field of energy (hand), causing it to fade and eventually disappeared. At least the CGI FX didn't change the way Apollo's temple was destroyed. THAT WAS AWESOME FX, WHETHER ORIGINAL OR ENHANCED!!
The hand in the original version was actually that of Gene Roddenberry so by by removing it and replacing it with a CGI version they are effectively wiping out a cameo appearance from him.
Nobody had better lay a finger on my..." Oh wait. Sorry. Too late. Somebody already did. Oh wait. I thought the Hamburger Helper mascot was feeling nauseous and a little "grabby."
I generally prefer the originals, but one thing that's always bothered me in them is actually fixed here. In the originals, whenever the Enterprise tries to steer around something, that something moves across the frame, but the stars don't! This is fixed in the remaster. Also in the original, when we see the Enterprise, it's in deep space with stars moving by. The remaster gets it right, actually _showing_ the planet and the keeping the stars distant and still. One thing I'd like to add is the effect when Apollo sends Scotty hurtling across the marble floor. Extremely well done! I'm glad the CGI-meisters didn't mess with that.
In the shots outside the planet, the stars actually do move, but they move slowly, in a way consistent with the planets movement through space. Which I appreciate.
I'm lovin' these remastered visual FX. Surprised that they did not tweak the scenes where Apollo lashes out at the Enterprise with the energy beam from his hand.
I was surprised about that too. Also at 4:42 you can see he stretches his hand like he want to shoot at the Enterprise, the "thunder" sound effect is also there but the animation is missing. I always thought it's an error and I was surprised they didn't fix it either
I kind of hate the remasters. They stick out like the digital crap in the Star Wars Special Editions. They don't feel of a piece. Also, they didn't exactly use the A-team on these remasters, they are mediocre at best.
One of my favorites. I like both and techincaly the recent one is better but I really prefer the original. The hand looks more solid and deep space is scary.
OK Commenters ; Which version would look you think better if broadcast in 1968? (1) on a big 25 inch color TV that is close to a TV station. (2) IF viewed in Black & White on a 13 inch TV in the deep fringe area with gobs of snow? Some of the smaller CGI stuff might be lost in the snow of the poor analog signal. Also when near an airport the signal would flutter when planes were nearby. I watched reruns of star trek on a 13 inch BW TV in the deep fringe. Made a custom Yagi and had an amplifier to pick up star trek reruns!
That initial angle was a lot better at the beginning. It seems they didn't bother to render the shots where the Enterprise stays static. Those always look really nice.
I think you missed the section where Apollo grows to gargantuan size. The CGI version eliminated the obvious matte lines that were visible in the original.
I'm always torn between the old and new versions. The updated effects are well done and add more detail and realism, especially for the planets. However, the old effects in my opinion are what give the original series part of its charm.
Usually I prefer the new effects, but in this case the original hand definitely looks better. It's at the right angle to be grabbing the front of the ship - the new one isn't - and it definitely didn't need the wibbly-wobbly effect applied to it.
Lt. Caroline Palamas is s real space babe with her greek gown. Wee doggy! She charged my warp engines when I was 12! Chekhov is wearing a 'monkees' style WIG!
I'm split down the middle with the giant green hand. As far as the CGI, I like the idea of the hand coming from the planet surface, and not just out of thin air. (Or would that be space?) As well as the shot of the hand holding the Enterprise in place over the planet. However on the other side of the coin, many here have complained the CG hand looks too soft and fake, but the original is cleaner and more defined. And I agree with them. Maybe the animators needed to take more time with testing the effects first?
I believe the animators intended to make the CG hand look soft and have a fuzzy glow, since Spock explained after he seeing it through the scope that it was a field of energy.
I think the additions were quite measured. They didn't mess with his lightning bolts at the Enterprise, because there was no need. Making the planets look more realistic and the ship crisper is the best part of these editions.
The new Enterprise shots are better because they don't have to use a physical model, but that CGI hand is awful. The original looks clearer and the way that CGI hand is grabbing looks cheesy and wrong. How did they make the hand look worse and less effective?
That's my main problem with the CGI models - they look fake. Many of the new effects look great, but the problem is that the models look way too fake for me
@@BarryPiper me neither. I like that blurry CGI hand with additional glow, it shouldn`t look 100% like a real hand with all it`s creases and skin texture cuz it`s energy thing. The updated version is clean looking
The remaster looks generally more "realistic". But that just makes it look incongruous with the rest of the show. For the most part I prefer the original here.
No because the hand hits the enterprise, enterprise speed wasn’t enaugh to escape the hand, so for a fraction of second everyone got pushed forward because the enterprise got pushed backward
Probably my favourite ST episode ever. I find it strange that the original effect were tampered with; there was no need. Besides, when you open up that can of worms, where to stop?
Whoever is playing the hand, they’re moving it around too much, it wobbles about now, it felt larger and grander in the original cuz it moved slower and with more grace.
This episode is very sad. All Apollo wanted is to be loved and worshipped again, but Kirk had to come on in and blow up his house! What a selfish bastid.
Just personal feeling - I like the original more as it is more like TV SF series. The remaster edition is for LED big monitors. By the way, why "Adonais"? Not "Adonis' " 'Adonai' is the name of Hebrew God.
It's a travesty that they attempted to improve upon the original special effects of the series. Almost criminal in an artistic sense. The side by side comparison show how it dramatically altered a single episode. As an early Star Trek fan, the revised graphics takes much away from the original series. The revision should not even claim the TOS title. Awful, awful, awful. :'(
The original 'hand' was played by the actor who played Apollo. This uncredited 'character' plays a significant enough role in this episode, but someone thought it was necessary to replace this with cg. And we should accept this because ... technology? Unacceptable. CG trek has lost the 'vacuum tube' look in every way and it is %100 sterile silicon digitization of what should be eternal art.
As good as the CGI are, the show didn't need them and to an extent the original effects are part of the show's charm. Noe with streaming, the original shows will become harder to view and that's the true loss, that the CGI versions will supplant the originals. The CGI versions do edit out some of the scenes so we are getting less of what the shows were.
I don't know why they arbitrarily decided to change the phaser color (unless the color was inconsistent throughout the series and they were trying to make it consistent) But yeah, the really glaring problem is how bad the hand looks on the CGI effect.
Why did they even bother? The only difference I saw was that the planet on the big screen was larger and more detailed. The CGI hand looked awful and none of it added anything to the story which is the important part. They should have saved the money they spent on the computer graphics and had a pizza party.
The CGI reworking is interesting. Unfortunately, there's not much that can be done when the Enterprise flies by the camera in the opening credits. It never looks quite right, and always a bit bow down.
I rewatched this episode last night. I believe a team is going to have to go back through this series and remaster again. But do it RIGHT this time. 1. I want the entire series turned wider-screen. Yes, I made that term up and I use it in my home. If you trim any episode of Trek right now to fit a normal widescreen TV -- you lose too much information. However -- if you trim a little off the top and a lot off the bottom -- you can make the image significantly wider without much loss. Two thin black bars on the sides sure beat two giant ones. I've done this with lots of series from this era and you'd be surprised how many don't suffer from my reshaping. Now, sometimes wider-screen does chop too much away. Like some of those super-close ups on Shatner. Here's the pricey solution: use CGI to add my image around the closeups. Many shows have the camera planted in place and so it's not that hard to 'restore' the set off-camera since everyone knows what it looks like. 2. Most of this episode takes place 'outside' but it's really a studio. Can you imagine how amazing this would look if they filled out the background with purple mountains majesty? Adjusted the light and the air to 'feel' outside? 3. 'Giant' Apollo in the last shots is terrible. Wrong lighting, wrong colors, and he appears to have his feet cut off. This needs to be completely redone. 4. The animated lightening was cute in the day but yeah this needs a rethink. To this day NOTHING beats that stunt guy who is sent flying across the set and nearly took his head off for his troubles. WOW.
I love how they decided a CGI hand would look MORE like a hand than a real hand would. The real hand actually looks more terrifying and trippy. Just shows how useless this whole "Remastered" thing was.
I much prefer the new hand. It's supposed to look blurry - it looks more ghostly, and I especially like how it ripples. I'd say it's almost perfect. Perhaps the only thing I would change would be to slow down the footage so the hand looks grander.
The new hand at first looks like one of those balloon sausage things magicians and the like make. Or a giant latex glove. In the original it looks like a real hand, but the imagery is not the best. It looks like an overlaid image.
divert the full power from all four port side hemi,s tothe phaser banks! ....slowly bring 2 starboard hemis in line to increase power to the shields! stand by on last 2 starboard hemis! mr spock ! port hemis are taching out at 10,000 rpm!......mr chekov take them to 11,000 rpm ! we cant let the captain down !!
The hand looks way better in the original. It just looks more intriguing (grant you they could have softened the image more and feathered it). I mean come on which is better a real hand or some primitive blob of digitized binary pixels in outer space? I get the hand is abstract but does that mean it has to be CGI? Space is hard because the matter of our natural world looks out of place in space in the first place but space is not more similar to digital stuff by any means. I agree Joshua Sinistar**
I personally am glad that this enthusiast group of fool, where never assigned to anything related to titanic,,,,, hey they did a good job at re creation. Yet that is based on a premise that the original was in a way inferior, and needed correction..... foe me I will always watch the originals. Hey if you let this group continue they will give Captain Picard breasts
The new effects are no gain, just remove originality. Not even the planet moves or gets smaller when the Enterprise gets to full reverse gear. I prefer the originals.
That Is Star Trek The Original Series Episode Who Mourns For Adonais? I Saw Apollo He Is A Greek. Captain James Tiberius Kirk And His Crewmembers Of Original Constitution Class USS Enterprise Fire Phaser Banks At The Apollo's Temple And Has Been Destroyed Extremely Successful.
+paktype Sure, but it's also how an alien trying to convince people he's a god might immobilize a ship. He created that hand as something he thought humans would understand and that would impress them. The fact that he did not understand humans had advanced to the point where Apollo's powers no longer impressed them was a recurring theme of the episode.
It seems like when anyone does anything artistic now days, people call it cheesy. I don't get it. I think people now days prefer everything to be dull and the same.
Old visual effects are part of the pleasure. It gives a 60's flavor to the whole thing, just like the clothes they wear.
I watched it on Netflix right before they removed it
This comparison certainly came in handy. Thank you for lending a hand to us Trekkies!
Apollo's hand in the original version looks MORE REALISTIC than the CGI-generated hand, although it was done correctly when the star ship's phasers struck the temple, effectively neutralizing the field of energy (hand), causing it to fade and eventually disappeared. At least the CGI FX didn't change the way Apollo's temple was destroyed. THAT WAS AWESOME FX, WHETHER ORIGINAL OR ENHANCED!!
Yeah exactly 💯
@@tonette1813 it could master hand from Super smash bros
The hand in the original version was actually that of Gene Roddenberry so by by removing it and replacing it with a CGI version they are effectively wiping out a cameo appearance from him.
Great comparison! Even if one doesn't like the changes, it is fascinating to see what they have altered.
No one lays a hand on the Enterprise!
Yes, that's no way to treat a lady.
besides Scotty and Kirk
Scotty: so, Mr.Apollo you like to bully people with yer thunderbolts, do ya? Let's see how ya handle full phasers straight up your toy box😂
Nobody had better lay a finger on my..." Oh wait. Sorry.
Too late. Somebody already did. Oh wait. I thought the Hamburger Helper mascot was feeling nauseous and a little "grabby."
I generally prefer the originals, but one thing that's always bothered me in them is actually fixed here. In the originals, whenever the Enterprise tries to steer around something, that something moves across the frame, but the stars don't! This is fixed in the remaster. Also in the original, when we see the Enterprise, it's in deep space with stars moving by. The remaster gets it right, actually _showing_ the planet and the keeping the stars distant and still.
One thing I'd like to add is the effect when Apollo sends Scotty hurtling across the marble floor. Extremely well done! I'm glad the CGI-meisters didn't mess with that.
In the shots outside the planet, the stars actually do move, but they move slowly, in a way consistent with the planets movement through space. Which I appreciate.
But the star background is moving too fast.
I'm a recent Trekkie. Very useful comparisons all of them.
Glad you can enjoy it!
I like the red phasers in the scene.
Considering the hand is supposed to be pure energy the new hand effect looks more abt
I'm lovin' these remastered visual FX.
Surprised that they did not tweak the scenes where Apollo lashes out at the Enterprise with the energy beam from his hand.
I was surprised about that too. Also at 4:42 you can see he stretches his hand like he want to shoot at the Enterprise, the "thunder" sound effect is also there but the animation is missing. I always thought it's an error and I was surprised they didn't fix it either
+theironclads I thought they might have also done something with the destruction of the temple. Instead it just fades out like it always did.
+Jim Schuck Good point.
I kind of hate the remasters. They stick out like the digital crap in the Star Wars Special Editions. They don't feel of a piece. Also, they didn't exactly use the A-team on these remasters, they are mediocre at best.
I think the energy beam from his finger looks fine (except one moment where it's not connected to his finger).
1:04 That things a giant hand 🤚🤣🤣🤣
both were good.when i was a kid that was incredible.
One of my favorites. I like both and techincaly the recent one is better but I really prefer the original. The hand looks more solid and deep space is scary.
This was great! Thanks for doing this.
+Maple Leaf Thanks for liking this :-)
OK Commenters ; Which version would look you think better if broadcast in 1968?
(1) on a big 25 inch color TV that is close to a TV station.
(2) IF viewed in Black & White on a 13 inch TV in the deep fringe area with gobs of snow? Some of the smaller CGI stuff might be lost in the snow of the poor analog signal. Also when near an airport the signal would flutter when planes were nearby. I watched reruns of star trek on a 13 inch BW TV in the deep fringe. Made a custom Yagi and had an amplifier to pick up star trek reruns!
I love the improvements they've made on the series, but I have to say, they should have left the original giant hand scenes on this episode.
One of my favorite episodes. I’m used to the old visual effects and besides what was the point of remastering them?
New audience?
@@TrekkieChannel 🤷
That initial angle was a lot better at the beginning. It seems they didn't bother to render the shots where the Enterprise stays static. Those always look really nice.
The section where Apollo grows to gargantuan size, I'm surprised they didn't fix the colour of his toga, as the yellow is darker.
I think you missed the section where Apollo grows to gargantuan size. The CGI version eliminated the obvious matte lines that were visible in the original.
+Larry Gwaltney Interesting, I'll check that
I'm always torn between the old and new versions. The updated effects are well done and add more detail and realism, especially for the planets. However, the old effects in my opinion are what give the original series part of its charm.
I have seen other videos where the CGI is a noted upgrade, but I don't think a single shot here improves upon the original.
This always bothered me and was not fixed in the remastered. 5:13 See how the lightening doesn't match coming out of the fingers?
They referenced this episode in Star Trek Beyond.
Usually I prefer the new effects, but in this case the original hand definitely looks better. It's at the right angle to be grabbing the front of the ship - the new one isn't - and it definitely didn't need the wibbly-wobbly effect applied to it.
Lt. Caroline Palamas is s real space babe with her greek gown. Wee doggy! She charged my warp engines when I was 12! Chekhov is wearing a 'monkees' style WIG!
Oh, I know that feeling. The women were one of the reasons why I fell in love with this show as a teenage boy :)
Boy, the original composition of the ship and the hand really makes a difference. The planet really offsets where the eye should focus.
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I'm split down the middle with the giant green hand. As far as the CGI, I like the idea of the hand coming from the planet surface, and not just out of thin air. (Or would that be space?) As well as the shot of the hand holding the Enterprise in place over the planet. However on the other side of the coin, many here have complained the CG hand looks too soft and fake, but the original is cleaner and more defined. And I agree with them. Maybe the animators needed to take more time with testing the effects first?
I believe the animators intended to make the CG hand look soft and have a fuzzy glow, since Spock explained after he seeing it through the scope that it was a field of energy.
I think the CGI hand works better as it’s a field of energy, not a literal hand, so it doesn’t need to be perfectly defined
I think the additions were quite measured. They didn't mess with his lightning bolts at the Enterprise, because there was no need. Making the planets look more realistic and the ship crisper is the best part of these editions.
So the little patio furniture in front of the temple was Apollo's power source, too?
Probably :)
The new Enterprise shots are better because they don't have to use a physical model, but that CGI hand is awful. The original looks clearer and the way that CGI hand is grabbing looks cheesy and wrong. How did they make the hand look worse and less effective?
That's my main problem with the CGI models - they look fake. Many of the new effects look great, but the problem is that the models look way too fake for me
I don't agree at all. I think it's a vast improvement.
@@BarryPiper me neither. I like that blurry CGI hand with additional glow, it shouldn`t look 100% like a real hand with all it`s creases and skin texture cuz it`s energy thing. The updated version is clean looking
At 3:29 of the cgi, the bussards move, but the navigation lights are solid on and not flashing. Oops!
Would have been nice if they could have updated the antiquated circuit boards under Uhura's station. You can actually see the transistors.
3:30. Talk about inappropriate touching.
The remaster looks generally more "realistic". But that just makes it look incongruous with the rest of the show. For the most part I prefer the original here.
Havin seen many giant hand energy fields grabbing spaceships in my life, I must agree with you.
enterprise should of had an image of a wooden spoon beating on the hand and screaming voice in italian dialect screaming out loud!
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!! BAHAHAHA!!!
Hmmm. When the Enterprise goes into reverse and the hand of Apollo grabs the ship shouldn't everyone be thrusted backwards instead of forward?
That's a common mistake in many episodes
No because the hand hits the enterprise, enterprise speed wasn’t enaugh to escape the hand, so for a fraction of second everyone got pushed forward because the enterprise got pushed backward
The eway McCoy looks at Kirk at the end. They should have left that in. However small, it was part of the actor's performance, and part of the story.
This is the weirdest Smash reveal trailer I've ever seen.
Probably my favourite ST episode ever.
I find it strange that the original effect were tampered with; there was no need.
Besides, when you open up that can of worms, where to stop?
Talk to the 🖐. But don’t underestimate it.
The updated CGI effects were completely unnecessary.
They could have gone overboard with the new phaser effect to make it look like those in the most recent series but they kept a 60s style into it.
Whoever is playing the hand, they’re moving it around too much, it wobbles about now, it felt larger and grander in the original cuz it moved slower and with more grace.
This episode is very sad. All Apollo wanted is to be loved and worshipped again, but Kirk had to come on in and blow up his house! What a selfish bastid.
Just personal feeling - I like the original more as it is more like TV SF series. The remaster edition is for LED big monitors.
By the way, why "Adonais"? Not "Adonis' " 'Adonai' is the name of Hebrew God.
LOL. Better than the original episode
the cgi looks great but I grew up with the original.
My only 2 complaints are,
1)The hand looks better in the original
2)YOU BETTER DONT TOUCH THE PHASER EVER AGAIN
Old school is always the best and shows realism nobody wants to see fake stuff
It's a travesty that they attempted to improve upon the original special effects of the series. Almost criminal in an artistic sense. The side by side comparison show how it dramatically altered a single episode. As an early Star Trek fan, the revised graphics takes much away from the original series. The revision should not even claim the TOS title. Awful, awful, awful. :'(
The original looks just as good as the CGI effect lol
Shatner says Pollacks 4. Not pc. Please pronounce it correctly,Bill. LOL
The original 'hand' was played by the actor who played Apollo. This uncredited 'character' plays a significant enough role in this episode, but someone thought it was necessary to replace this with cg. And we should accept this because ... technology? Unacceptable. CG trek has lost the 'vacuum tube' look in every way and it is %100 sterile silicon digitization of what should be eternal art.
As good as the CGI are, the show didn't need them and to an extent the original effects are part of the show's charm. Noe with streaming, the original shows will become harder to view and that's the true loss, that the CGI versions will supplant the originals. The CGI versions do edit out some of the scenes so we are getting less of what the shows were.
I don't know why they arbitrarily decided to change the phaser color (unless the color was inconsistent throughout the series and they were trying to make it consistent) But yeah, the really glaring problem is how bad the hand looks on the CGI effect.
The ship's phasers were blue in some episodes and red in others, they have unified it to blue in all "remastered" episodes
Why did they even bother? The only difference I saw was that the planet on the big screen was larger and more detailed. The CGI hand looked awful and none of it added anything to the story which is the important part. They should have saved the money they spent on the computer graphics and had a pizza party.
The CGI reworking is interesting. Unfortunately, there's not much that can be done when the Enterprise flies by the camera in the opening credits. It never looks quite right, and always a bit bow down.
I rewatched this episode last night. I believe a team is going to have to go back through this series and remaster again. But do it RIGHT this time.
1. I want the entire series turned wider-screen. Yes, I made that term up and I use it in my home. If you trim any episode of Trek right now to fit a normal widescreen TV -- you lose too much information. However -- if you trim a little off the top and a lot off the bottom -- you can make the image significantly wider without much loss. Two thin black bars on the sides sure beat two giant ones. I've done this with lots of series from this era and you'd be surprised how many don't suffer from my reshaping.
Now, sometimes wider-screen does chop too much away. Like some of those super-close ups on Shatner. Here's the pricey solution: use CGI to add my image around the closeups. Many shows have the camera planted in place and so it's not that hard to 'restore' the set off-camera since everyone knows what it looks like.
2. Most of this episode takes place 'outside' but it's really a studio. Can you imagine how amazing this would look if they filled out the background with purple mountains majesty? Adjusted the light and the air to 'feel' outside?
3. 'Giant' Apollo in the last shots is terrible. Wrong lighting, wrong colors, and he appears to have his feet cut off. This needs to be completely redone.
4. The animated lightening was cute in the day but yeah this needs a rethink.
To this day NOTHING beats that stunt guy who is sent flying across the set and nearly took his head off for his troubles. WOW.
I love how they decided a CGI hand would look MORE like a hand than a real hand would.
The real hand actually looks more terrifying and trippy.
Just shows how useless this whole "Remastered" thing was.
I much prefer the new hand. It's supposed to look blurry - it looks more ghostly, and I especially like how it ripples. I'd say it's almost perfect. Perhaps the only thing I would change would be to slow down the footage so the hand looks grander.
The new hand at first looks like one of those balloon sausage things magicians and the like make. Or a giant latex glove. In the original it looks like a real hand, but the imagery is not the best. It looks like an overlaid image.
The old hand was better.
It was at least a real hand
Took out the marble picnic tabĺe.Kirk was thru w/gameplaying
Back when Star Trek was great. Sigh. :(
divert the full power from all four port side hemi,s tothe phaser banks! ....slowly bring 2 starboard hemis in line to increase power to the shields! stand by on last 2 starboard hemis! mr spock ! port hemis are taching out at 10,000 rpm!......mr chekov take them to 11,000 rpm ! we cant let the captain down !!
Adonais was adonis
The hand looks way better in the original. It just looks more intriguing (grant you they could have softened the image more and feathered it). I mean come on which is better a real hand or some primitive blob of digitized binary pixels in outer space? I get the hand is abstract but does that mean it has to be CGI? Space is hard because the matter of our natural world looks out of place in space in the first place but space is not more similar to digital stuff by any means. I agree Joshua Sinistar**
I like the old better.
Original is much better.
I think I prefer the original on this one.
I personally am glad that this enthusiast group of fool, where never assigned to anything related to titanic,,,,, hey they did a good job at re creation. Yet that is based on a premise that the original was in a way inferior, and needed correction..... foe me I will always watch the originals. Hey if you let this group continue they will give Captain Picard breasts
Red phasers look better lol
The new effects are no gain, just remove originality. Not even the planet moves or gets smaller when the Enterprise gets to full reverse gear. I prefer the originals.
That Is Star Trek The Original Series Episode Who Mourns For Adonais? I Saw Apollo He Is A Greek. Captain James Tiberius Kirk And His Crewmembers Of Original Constitution Class USS Enterprise Fire Phaser Banks At The Apollo's Temple And Has Been Destroyed Extremely Successful.
Shawn Capps What?
Some the stupidest dialogue ever! "It's a hand Captain!"
That is a very weak episode with or without the SFX. A giant hand in space? Cheesy.
+paktype Sure, but it's also how an alien trying to convince people he's a god might immobilize a ship. He created that hand as something he thought humans would understand and that would impress them. The fact that he did not understand humans had advanced to the point where Apollo's powers no longer impressed them was a recurring theme of the episode.
+paktype The giant hand makes perfect sense in the context of the episode
Cheesy?!? Artistic.
paktype was always one of my favorite episodes
It seems like when anyone does anything artistic now days, people call it cheesy. I don't get it. I think people now days prefer everything to be dull and the same.
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