It was a completely different world back then. Miss them days, big time. Kids today have no idea how much fun we old farts had back then!!!! I don't think they would have made it. 20 bucks got you gas in the car and a case of beer!!!!! Good times!!!!
@@nathanstrickland6508, definitely! I'll be 49 later this year, and I would give up half of what I had to have 10 more years of the 1980's! We didn't know that a great time like that would come to an end, and that we would have what we have now. We really got lucky to live in the best time in American history! Cheers from northeast Ohio.
I dunno man I was around then too and this was just more poof hair trash to me, the guitar playing is cool but it was just one of many Cherry Pies to come out of that era.
Hilarious reaction. One thing you have to keep in mind was that rock and roll for so many years was marketed directly to teenagers. When we heard songs like this as teens, nothing seemed strange about it at all, it seemed totally normal. And my younger sister dated someone who was 18 when she was 16, and she dated someone who was 24 when she was 17. My first girlfriend when I was 16, was nearly 18 and turned 18 while I was still going out with her.
Yeah, when I went to high school in the early 80’s, many of popular girls & cheerleaders dated guys in college. It just wasn’t thought of like it is now. I mean, these 19, 20 & 21 year old guys would come to the high school & pick up their 16 or 17 year old girlfriends. They’d even come in & say hi to their old teachers with the girl in tow. It really was a different time.
I think most of us had the same point of view that you did who were teenagers in the 80s. BUT STILL.... Kip Winger didn't look exactly 18 or 19 years old in the video. And listening to it a few decades later doesn't make it seem so innocent.
Right!? I don't get the "ped" vibes some claim to have with this song ANYONE that claims they were an angel at 17 is either lying, or a saint. Neither of which I can relate to. 😂🤣
"Well, she was just 17, you know what I mean?" the opening line from "I Saw Her Standing There" written by Lennon and McCartney. Age of consent in the UK is 16.
The US seems to be trying to get back to its puritanical roots. When this song was new we had the Bill Wyman Mandy Smith saga playing out in the UK. How he managed to survive that is a real head scratcher.
Tiffany covered that song in, I think, 1986 - I don’t remember any controversy over it other than it butchered a Beatles classic. Then again, the redhead teenage girl from California had also released a cover of “I Think We’re Alone Now”, so she was viewed by the public much differently than a scruffy 20something-year-old Kip Winger.
@j4wn Age of consent in the US is set at the state level, 31 stars it’s 16, 6 states it’s 17 and 13 states it’s 18. Surprised they didn’t know this considering they are Americans 🤷♂️
When Stewart from Beavis and Butt-Head would wear their shirt it drove winger crazy. They not only hated that the dork stupid character was wearing their shirt but they actually blamed the TV show for ruining their careers
Beavis & Butthead & Metallica. In the video for,”Nothing Else Matters,” Lars Ulrich, the drummer, throws a dart at the lead singer and bassist, Kip Winger.
I was in high-school when this came out. As a 16 year old at the time ... this song was awesome. This was one of the tunes we would have blasting when we cruised the loop in town. Good memories:) You have to think ... this music was marketed to teen and pre-teens ... risqué but not overtly vulgar.
Like all hair metal, it is meant for prepubescent boys. Teenyboppers that can't wait until they are 17 years old so they can do adult things, like drive, dink, and have sex. These were not songs meant for adults... which is why hair metal died over night when grunge came around. The prepubescent boys that liked hair metal in the 80's were now going off to College and needed more mature music, so they abandoned hair metal for grunge.
@@bminturn you're definitely right that you can trace it way far back. Even all the way to Beethoven, really. I just kind of have this feeling that the seventies and eighties were especially crazy
Yuck. 14 and they’re like a freshmen in high school. That is a child and idk why anyone would excuse that kind of behavior from a grown man. Oh wait! Probably because oooo guy good at playing guitar! So it’s not predatory, right?
In all fairness the writer based the lyric on a Beatles song "I Saw Her Standing There", which contains the lyric, "Well she was just seventeen, if you know what I mean, & the way she looked was way beyond compare." For some reason, 17 was a popular age to sing about in the 70's and 80's. Joan Jett's I love Rock and Roll, Dancing Queen by Abba, Strawberry Wine by Deana Carter, Sexy and 17 by the Stray Cats, Edge of 17 by Stevie Nicks, 17 by Ladytron...it's weird for sure. R Kelly heard the song Seventeen by Winger and sent the lead singer a text asking if the girl in the song had a younger sister.
@Victor Alexander Twenty when he wrote it, actually. But the point is that times and culture are constantly changing in terms of what is the norm, or what is acceptable. When Elvis met Priscilla, she was 14 and he was 24. They were romantically involved long before she was 18. Women rarely went to college or worked back then. They were brought up to marry and have families. If an artist who was 24 today started courting a 14 year old, even if they waited until she was 18 until they married, they would call it "grooming."
I read somewhere, don't remember where or when, but the person writing the article stated the reason alot of these songs mentioned 17 year old girls was because they were the demographic that bought the most music. Makes sense to me. But also, like some others have stated, times were different back then. I'm 63 so I remember 60's through 90's music, people weren't so hung up on age back then.
This kinda put an exclamation point on it but everyone from Joan Jett to Stevie Nicks talked about 17 year olds from the 1950's all the way through the 80's.
Stevie Nicks "Edge of seventeen" has NOTHING remotely to do with sex. The song is about John Lenon being killed and her uncle dying from cancer. The seventeen year old is her cousin, who was 17 when his father passed away.
@@Watthead80 I'm just saying as matter-of-fact that 'seventeen year olds' were a musical trope, regardless of how they were being used. This song is just at the extreme end of one example.
He was about 27 years old when this came out. One of the perks of being a rock star was the girls lined up outside your hotel room. Tour manager checking groupies' IDs, making sure they're tall enough to ride the roller-coaster.
Only back then I don’t think they really worried about checking ids cause as long as sex was consensual and not with a young child age didn’t bother people as much.
@@react2reactions246 That’s crazy to me. Why would any parent feel comfortable with their 17 year old kid dating someone in their 20s? Like especially their late 20s?
Met my wife in 83 when she was nearing 17 and I was nearing 20! So yes, 16 & 19! I didn't know the age difference until we had been dating a few months! Thirty nine years years later (married 35), things are still great and we raised two great sons! Could have been a bad deal but we were lucky!
The polished Bubblegum hair metal bands of this era were writing their songs to be played live for their fans who were mostly teenagers. The commercial success of this formula was massive. So much so that it led at a backlash when the 80s came to a close. That backlash brought us the grunge era.
Not a Winger fan ... There's a reason the cool kids (Beavis and Butt-Head) wore Metallica and AC/DC shirts ... And their nerdy friend Stewart had a Winger shirt.
The Drummer Rod Mogenstein and guitar player Reb Beach are killer players. Lots of songs about underaged encounters back in the 70s and 80s. They say she's only 35 now in reference to how old the band is.
Yeah, don't ever listen to Christine Sixteen - KISS or Into The Night - Benny Mardones (that one is genuinely creepy with an equally creepy video). Your generation can't handle it.
thats crazy, ppl were nonces back in the day. didn't jerry seinfeld go out with a 16 year old while they were filming? billie eilish was dating a guy like 10 years older too (i say was cuz i saw a headline saying they broke up or something), ig hollywood's just weird.
Jerry dated a 17 year old high school student when he was 38. It was a little controversial at the time, though certainly not like it would be seen now.
Yep, Reb seemed always underrated. And while I personally never cared for hair metal, I'll give credit where credit is due: the riff in this song has always been a favorite of mine, and Kip is 60 now and still a great act to see live.
@braxus6416 whi spoke against kip his band mates in winger? The guys who are to this day still in the band to write, record and go on tour with him? All the same guys.
Of course we think they're creepy if we are older but they are geared toward the audience which is primarily teenagers and it doesn't sound creepy to them. Songs like, Sweet Little Sixteen, teen Angel and even, I Love Rock and Roll, are about young women or young men in the latter case. The fact that older men are the ones writing them however.........
Early rock n' roll of the 50s and 60s catered to the young generation. I was told you could be a kid back then and still have options for innocent fun and the songs were marketing to teens. This song revealed that that idea had outgrown itself.
yeah, it seems like having a girl's age mention in a song lyric or song title is becoming a taboo nowadays. to me, slot of the songs that mention girl's age are either from a perspective from a younger male who is in love or have crush on an older female or the other way around but with someone not too old like collage age. 16, 17, and 18 are a bit of threshold to adulthood and that can raise a lot of heated debate over age of the subject the songwriter is writing about. there are songs that bring age different but no mention of age but bring up the subject of he's young, she's old or vice versa. want a good example? go check out the song Dianna by Paul Anka.
@@chrisstory563 Okay 18, 17, or 16 may be when you become an adult officially but you’re still like… young. You’d still be in high school or just getting out of it. Why would we allow grown men and women to make flirtatious moves on someone so young? Wouldn’t parents be outraged? Shouldn’t they be?
Chuck Berry's "Little Queenie" from 1959 has a line that says "She's too cute to be a minute over seventeen". That song has been covered so many times by artists such as Jerry Lee Lewis, Tom Jones, The Beatles, and my favorite is by REO Speedwagon.
National age of consent is 16. Half the world is 15 and under. Plus this song was 35 years ago. It's m ant to be a little rebellious. Motley Crue had a lyric "she's only 15"
Everytime I hear the name of this band or a song of their, all I think of is Beavis and Butthead sarcastically saying "winger" and making fun of the neighbor for wearing winger t-shirt. Their singer also tried to blame Beavis and Butthead for his bands downfall instead of their terrible song writing.
A lot of songs back in the 70s and 80s certainly raise eyebrows today with perceived references to teen love/lust or however you want to look at it. Stevie Nicks Edge of Seventeen, Billy idol Cradle of Love, Damn Yankees Coming of Age and a whole lot of other songs of similar content that were huge hits and played on MTV frequently. Difference is not many at the time got all in a tizzy or offended and wanted everything banned, we just jammed along with the music and that was that..wasnt taken so seriously.
There's nothing wrong with Edge of Seventeen. Jane Petty told Stevie that she met Tom at the age of seventeen. Her accent made it sound like edge of seventeen. They were both in high school, BTW,so, it wasn't pervy. Stevie liked the sound of 'edge of seventeen",so,she used it in the song.
I kinda lived this song in reverse. When I was 18 I "dated" a 34 year old woman for a little while. I think she was genuinely shocked when I had the balls to hit on her. I was even more shocked when it actually worked. I have some great memories of getting wasted with my pals then having them drop me off at her house and going through her bedroom window(because she was asleep). She never got frustrated with me(I was young and very stupid), or denied me. It was all good times. She was absolutely smoking too. Of course every guy in town was trying to hit on her after they found out she getting with some 18 year old kid. She wasn't embarrassed by it at all. Cool lady.
This goes on my list of songs that were bangers back in the day, but that could never be written by todays standards. I still remember buying this album and thinking nothing of the subject matter of the song. Boy, do times change. I have often wondered if the band still plays this at shows (assuming they still play shows). That's gotta be an awkward song as a, now, 55+ year old guy.
Yeah! they do , For years Kip has done solo acoustic shows and he's pretty awesome at it , But he does the song and has fun with it and usually brings A fan up to sing with him . I mean you wouldn't believe what rap groups sing about now lol my Granddaughter is 16 and listens in the car and wow lol .
Amazing how things change. Chantilly Lace is a R&R Classic. But the lyrics are basically about chasing young girls. You guys did My Sharona and Cherry Pie, both about young girls. Bad Company's cover of Young Blood is the same, but it's a banger.
I was 17 when this came out and dating a 28yr old. Different generation. In some ways we were more mature than the teens now. If we were transplanted to today we would seem totally different from today's youth. The kids of today know stuff from the internet we actually lived life.
@David Lacey I think we all did. I also think it would help all the rage people feel today. Smoke a blunt and relax. Now, people will be stealing all the Cheetos!
Kip Winger played bass on Alice Cooper's albums Constrictor and Raise Your Fist And Yell, not Trash. Kip and Alice Cooper keyboardist Paul Taylor worked on songs during that tour and formed Winger. 1st Winger album was 1988 & Trash was 1989.
Winger is the most underrated band of all time . What a lot of people don't know is that Kip Winger , Reb Beach & the drummer all played for Alice Cooper & Alice Cooper doesn't let just anyone play with him . You have to be musically inclined to play with Cooper . This was just a fun goofy song they put together back in the day .
The late great Sam Cooke, wrote a great, love song - "She Was Only 16" the comment section on that video are overloaded with accusations of underage assault etc... If they only listened to the lyrics, they would realize that it was the lament sung from the perspective of a 17yr old boy. The same applies to this song too - nowhere does it mention the age of the person singing it. Van Halenesque Roxy Blue, sang about "Rob The Cradle" doubt that any band member has an interest toddlers.
I was like 14 when this song came out. In 8th grade. No reason to make more of it than it is. When I hear this it's more like a memory of being a teenager. Great tune. Lots of good songs on this tape.
Winger singer, bassist Kip Winger played bass on 2 Alice Cooper albums before forming Winger with Alice Cooper keyboardist Paul Taylor. Winger guitarist Reb Beach has also played guitar with Dokken, Whitesnake, Black Swan. Kip Winger and Reb Beach also did 1 album with The Mob with Winger on bass, Beach on guitar, Dug Pinnick on vocals (King's X, KXM), Kelly Keagy on drums (Night Ranger), Timothy Drury on keyboards (tour keyboardist with Don Henley, Eagles, Whitesnake). Winger drummer Rod Morgenstein is a world class drummer. Check him out with the Dixie Dregs, Steve Morse Band, Platypus and The Jelly Jam.
Stones have a song " strat cat blues " a line said " she is only 13 years old. Lots of old blues songs were about minors. " good morning little schoolgirl " is one
This is the kind of rock & roll excess that bands like U2 and REM kind of rebelled against. Well, almost all new wave or 80s alternative. Then Nirvana came along and hammered in the final nail (thank God).
Funny reaction. A collision of decades. Back in the 80's this didn't seem like such a big deal. But i can understand your discomfort with this today. Don't forget the famous Beatles song from the '60's - I Saw Her Standing There - where Paul McCartney famously sang: "Well she was just seventeen, you know what i mean.." Times change and morality changes with it. As a side note - I knew my great-grandmother -- she didn't die until i was 19 - and she was married when she was 12 and had her first child at 13. Her husband was 2 years older than her. This wasn't unusual in the early 1900's. Obviously, life expectancy was much lower - so people matured faster. I laugh when i hear parents today say that kids grow up so much faster today. Are you kidding me? Many kids today go to school until they're almost 30 - then get their first job - then get married in their 40's - then hurry and have a child because they realize that human biology didn't keep up with our prolonged life expectancies. Anyway - my 2 cents - and thanks for this reaction. Very amusing.
Delayed maturity is by design. I don't think there are many, if any, true adult humans alive anymore. Our whole society is designed to keep us all nearly infantile. The legal ages of adulthood have some basis in biology, but at this point, we are so mentally and behaviorally handicapped in our development that no one reaches full maturity, even in their 80s!
I was 16 when this came out and I used to laugh when I sang the line ' daddy says she's too young but she's old enough for me'. 🤣 I thought the whole tape was pretty good. We used to listen to it in the mornings before school when we were weight training for football.
Certain... Habits... Were extremely commonplace back then. Groupies ages ranged anywhere from 13 to old, and unfortunately no age was off limits for a lot of people. Also unfortunately, there are some great songs with very questionable subject matter
This had me laughing bc Brad gets uncomfortable when somebody says something like “little girl” in a song, but this one was so unambiguous lol… “I like teenageeeeers” 😂
Rock used to be provocative and dangerous. Would you feel less creeped out if she was 18? Some states the age of consent is 16. If a dude is 19 I guess but today it's totally creepy. My mom was married at 15 so times have definitely changed. You really don't become an adult until you're 30 as far as brain development but there's no chance you can stop adolescents from having sex.
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@@bruceweeks439 i only had like five friends at that time i remember what are you singing they would say lmfao i wound say Winger look at me like im wierd then i would say MTV they would say cool you have MTV i would say no My Grandpa does only way i would see videos back then
I was a teenaged girl when this came out (19), but a LOT of the girls I knew at 17 during the 80's would throw a man down and make him remember her name.🤨😆 It was a different time and I don't recall anyone being up in arms about this song. Now is a totally different story. They're doing it a lot younger from what I can see these days, but to blatantly write a song about it now would be unheard of. My main memory was of all the metal guys making fun of Kip Winger 😆
Christ I was in high school and hung out at a park all the time playing flag football with friends and lots of girls from the Jr. High would hang out there and they would try to mack on the older guys and I couldn't believe the things they would say lol , This song is actually pretty innocent next to things in songs these days too .
"Politically correct" is a funny way of saying "illegal" And it doesn't matter how many 17 year olds were lining up, your not exactly at your brightest when you're 17
"She's only 70. My kids say she's too old, but she's got that social security!"
😂😂😂😂
That's probably the right age for the Winger guys now.
House probably paid off too.
That's the ticket.
"She makes Depends look good. Oh yeah!!!"
I was fifteen when this came out. Guys, in the 1980's we had a great time, and not everything was so taboo. We, the MTV generation, loved this song!
There's several bangers on this album. I remember this video on MTV, wasn't impressed but bought the album anyway, lotta good other songs.
It was a completely different world back then. Miss them days, big time. Kids today have no idea how much fun we old farts had back then!!!! I don't think they would have made it. 20 bucks got you gas in the car and a case of beer!!!!! Good times!!!!
@@nathanstrickland6508, definitely! I'll be 49 later this year, and I would give up half of what I had to have 10 more years of the 1980's! We didn't know that a great time like that would come to an end, and that we would have what we have now. We really got lucky to live in the best time in American history! Cheers from northeast Ohio.
@@johnsmith2046 Ha ha lol!!!! Its a small world brother. I'm 48, and I'm just one state from you in West Virginia!! Good talking to you sir.
I dunno man I was around then too and this was just more poof hair trash to me, the guitar playing is cool but it was just one of many Cherry Pies to come out of that era.
Could you imagine somebody trying to release this song today? 😱
"Where's Chris Hansen?" Made me LOL fr Lex! 🤣
Hilarious reaction. One thing you have to keep in mind was that rock and roll for so many years was marketed directly to teenagers. When we heard songs like this as teens, nothing seemed strange about it at all, it seemed totally normal. And my younger sister dated someone who was 18 when she was 16, and she dated someone who was 24 when she was 17. My first girlfriend when I was 16, was nearly 18 and turned 18 while I was still going out with her.
Yeah, when I went to high school in the early 80’s, many of popular girls & cheerleaders dated guys in college. It just wasn’t thought of like it is now. I mean, these 19, 20 & 21 year old guys would come to the high school & pick up their 16 or 17 year old girlfriends. They’d even come in & say hi to their old teachers with the girl in tow. It really was a different time.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 Exactly!
songs like this goes all the way back to chuck berry era
I think most of us had the same point of view that you did who were teenagers in the 80s. BUT STILL.... Kip Winger didn't look exactly 18 or 19 years old in the video. And listening to it a few decades later doesn't make it seem so innocent.
Right!? I don't get the "ped" vibes some claim to have with this song
ANYONE that claims they were an angel at 17 is either lying, or a saint. Neither of which I can relate to. 😂🤣
"Well, she was just 17, you know what I mean?" the opening line from "I Saw Her Standing There" written by Lennon and McCartney. Age of consent in the UK is 16.
It is 16 in a good number of USA states as well.
People assume it is 18 everywhere because of TV.
The US seems to be trying to get back to its puritanical roots. When this song was new we had the Bill Wyman Mandy Smith saga playing out in the UK. How he managed to survive that is a real head scratcher.
Tiffany covered that song in, I think, 1986 - I don’t remember any controversy over it other than it butchered a Beatles classic. Then again, the redhead teenage girl from California had also released a cover of “I Think We’re Alone Now”, so she was viewed by the public much differently than a scruffy 20something-year-old Kip Winger.
It’s 16 in New Zealand too.
Yeah the 80s where a totally different time no way you could get away with this song today. This song was a huge hit too 😂
@j4wn depends on which state.
@j4wn Age of consent in the US is set at the state level, 31 stars it’s 16, 6 states it’s 17 and 13 states it’s 18. Surprised they didn’t know this considering they are Americans 🤷♂️
@@juliusdavies2005 still cringy when the guys in Winger we're like in their 30s when they recorded this 😂
@@KungFuChess 20's
@j4wn 16 in the UK in 1989, unless you were gay. 16 for them too now.
Kind of a role reversal for me!! When this song came out my girlfriend at the time was 20 and I was 17 lol!! I miss the 80's!!!!!
When Stewart from Beavis and Butt-Head would wear their shirt it drove winger crazy. They not only hated that the dork stupid character was wearing their shirt but they actually blamed the TV show for ruining their careers
I have always loved that story lol
Beavis & Butthead & Metallica. In the video for,”Nothing Else Matters,” Lars Ulrich, the drummer, throws a dart at the lead singer and bassist, Kip Winger.
He throws a dart at a picture. Just reread my comment and had to clarify.
"Guitaring" 🙂
We also learned that Stewart gets diarrhea from breakfast burritos.
One of , if not Wingers biggest hit. Imagine being in your 50s or 60s and you HAVE to sing this song every show
Kip does A lot of solo acoustic shows and he has fun with the song and brings up fans to sing with him .
Benny Mardones sang Into The Night almost up until he recently died. ruclips.net/video/ZMfgNlm_Wfo/видео.html
Some of their ballads - like Miles Away- were bigger.
LOL. I think Kip Winger is turning 61 this year.
I was in high-school when this came out. As a 16 year old at the time ... this song was awesome. This was one of the tunes we would have blasting when we cruised the loop in town. Good memories:) You have to think ... this music was marketed to teen and pre-teens ... risqué but not overtly vulgar.
Reb Beach was one of the finest guitarists of that era. And still shredding today.
The truth!!! These guys got verbally banged up by people back then because they were pretty boys but good musicians for sure!!!
Have you checked out his most recent album, "A View From The Inside"? Very melodic and shreddy
@@williamkilpatrick6821 agreed. Kip Winger played with Alice Cooper, and he only hires top shelf musicians.
Like all hair metal, it is meant for prepubescent boys. Teenyboppers that can't wait until they are 17 years old so they can do adult things, like drive, dink, and have sex. These were not songs meant for adults... which is why hair metal died over night when grunge came around. The prepubescent boys that liked hair metal in the 80's were now going off to College and needed more mature music, so they abandoned hair metal for grunge.
My wife hates,hates,hates this band and this song..., So I play it every now and then...LOL
The Rockers of the 70s and 80s simply did not have boundaries as we experience them.
As Jim Morrison's biography would attest, this went back earlier than the 70s. Morrison, Elvis...the list of pervs who got a free pass goes on and on.
@@bminturn you're definitely right that you can trace it way far back. Even all the way to Beethoven, really. I just kind of have this feeling that the seventies and eighties were especially crazy
Winger was a band you either loved or hated. After I met them and Kip Winger, while at 98Rock, I was a fan.
Baltimore or Tampa ?
Genuinely nice guys.
@@Lizardboy68 Bmore
@@coodermo5263 I met Queensryche through Stash at Rams Head years ago Tate was still with them .
@@Lizardboy68 Stash, one heck of a nice guy and the perfect radio voice
YOU have to do "Easy come easy go" "Heading for a heart break" "Can't get enough" "Down incogneto"
Not a fan of your latest trend of using clickbait titles instead of the artists and songs.
Was about to comment the same thing. Super annoying
Agree 100%.
Commenting to say I don't like it either. Hope they revert
I like it because the song starts right away. And it's not clickbait. It's a guessing game.
I don’t mind putting commentary on the thumbnail, but keep the song title in the video title.
"Where's Chris Hansen?" 😂 That gets my vote for funniest Lex quote of the year. 🤣
Some 70s and 80s rockers even went for 14 year olds and no one seemed to question it. Guitarist of led zep for example had a 14 year old groupie.
Nugent
steven tyler too
Yeah, it seems like a hard line at 18 was drawn sometime in the late 80’s to early 90’s.
Why would men want a girl who hasn't even gone through full puberty yet? It's gross. I don't care what era it was.
Yuck. 14 and they’re like a freshmen in high school. That is a child and idk why anyone would excuse that kind of behavior from a grown man. Oh wait! Probably because oooo guy good at playing guitar! So it’s not predatory, right?
In all fairness the writer based the lyric on a Beatles song "I Saw Her Standing There", which contains the lyric, "Well she was just seventeen, if you know what I mean, & the way she looked was way beyond compare." For some reason, 17 was a popular age to sing about in the 70's and 80's. Joan Jett's I love Rock and Roll, Dancing Queen by Abba, Strawberry Wine by Deana Carter, Sexy and 17 by the Stray Cats, Edge of 17 by Stevie Nicks, 17 by Ladytron...it's weird for sure. R Kelly heard the song Seventeen by Winger and sent the lead singer a text asking if the girl in the song had a younger sister.
@Victor Alexander Twenty when he wrote it, actually. But the point is that times and culture are constantly changing in terms of what is the norm, or what is acceptable. When Elvis met Priscilla, she was 14 and he was 24. They were romantically involved long before she was 18. Women rarely went to college or worked back then. They were brought up to marry and have families. If an artist who was 24 today started courting a 14 year old, even if they waited until she was 18 until they married, they would call it "grooming."
I read somewhere, don't remember where or when, but the person writing the article stated the reason alot of these songs mentioned 17 year old girls was because they were the demographic that bought the most music. Makes sense to me. But also, like some others have stated, times were different back then. I'm 63 so I remember 60's through 90's music, people weren't so hung up on age back then.
If she was 17 in 1988 when this song first came out, she’d be 51 today…. 🤯
This kinda put an exclamation point on it but everyone from Joan Jett to Stevie Nicks talked about 17 year olds from the 1950's all the way through the 80's.
Stevie Nicks "Edge of seventeen" has NOTHING remotely to do with sex. The song is about John Lenon being killed and her uncle dying from cancer. The seventeen year old is her cousin, who was 17 when his father passed away.
@@Watthead80 I'm just saying as matter-of-fact that 'seventeen year olds' were a musical trope, regardless of how they were being used. This song is just at the extreme end of one example.
This song hits way different now that I'm 51 than it did when I was 18. But the song is great!
If she was 17 then, she’s actually 51 today….
I'm 51 also. I know what I was doing in high school at 17. My girlfriend was two grades under me. We were still together after I turned 18.
@@Wrangzilla Now I don't feel so bad listening to it, especially sitting at a red light with windows down as a creepy 53 yr old.
They think this is off, listen to Benny Mardones! "She's just 16 years old, leave her alone, they said..."
He was about 27 years old when this came out. One of the perks of being a rock star was the girls lined up outside your hotel room. Tour manager checking groupies' IDs, making sure they're tall enough to ride the roller-coaster.
Only back then I don’t think they really worried about checking ids cause as long as sex was consensual and not with a young child age didn’t bother people as much.
@@wendydotson8891 yeah, no. This was the 80's, not the 60's.
@@Annonymous0283745 no, she’s right. Even in the 80s, a 17 year old girl dating a guy in his 20s was not unusual
Eww
@@react2reactions246 That’s crazy to me. Why would any parent feel comfortable with their 17 year old kid dating someone in their 20s? Like especially their late 20s?
Their songs and videos were popular in the late '80s and the '90s. Miles Away is another good one from them.
Thanks for checking in, Kip.
@@bobdroll6381 jaja I didnt like this song though too nasty.
Met my wife in 83 when she was nearing 17 and I was nearing 20! So yes, 16 & 19! I didn't know the age difference until we had been dating a few months! Thirty nine years years later (married 35), things are still great and we raised two great sons! Could have been a bad deal but we were lucky!
The polished Bubblegum hair metal bands of this era were writing their songs to be played live for their fans who were mostly teenagers. The commercial success of this formula was massive. So much so that it led at a backlash when the 80s came to a close. That backlash brought us the grunge era.
Not a Winger fan ... There's a reason the cool kids (Beavis and Butt-Head) wore Metallica and AC/DC shirts ... And their nerdy friend Stewart had a Winger shirt.
"Stewart wets his bed, da-na!"
The rock stars in the 70's, 80's, and 90's knew who was purchasing their music. Teenagers want to hear songs about themselves.
The Drummer Rod Mogenstein and guitar player Reb Beach are killer players. Lots of songs about underaged encounters back in the 70s and 80s. They say she's only 35 now in reference to how old the band is.
This was back when everyone understood the difference between high school jailbait and a little child. 😆 I guess that made us weird?
If R Kelly sang metal....
Yeah, don't ever listen to Christine Sixteen - KISS or Into The Night - Benny Mardones (that one is genuinely creepy with an equally creepy video).
Your generation can't handle it.
thats crazy, ppl were nonces back in the day. didn't jerry seinfeld go out with a 16 year old while they were filming? billie eilish was dating a guy like 10 years older too (i say was cuz i saw a headline saying they broke up or something), ig hollywood's just weird.
Jerry dated a 17 year old high school student when he was 38. It was a little controversial at the time, though certainly not like it would be seen now.
@@irongrl thats crazy, he was 21 when she was born. thats noncey idc
Or Oingo Boingo - Little Girls. Actually they should give Oingo Boingo a listen maybe not that song right away though.
@@jimgeorge9476 they've actually done a couple of their songs I believe.
He was 30 years old, messing with a 17 yearold groupie they were in the uk europe age of consent was 16
I love how every time a song bothers Brad he just refuses to name it in the title.
I remember thinking this song had some creepy lyrics, but I really liked the guitar part and the player Reb Beach was/is a monster guitarist.
Yep, Reb seemed always underrated. And while I personally never cared for hair metal, I'll give credit where credit is due: the riff in this song has always been a favorite of mine, and Kip is 60 now and still a great act to see live.
If it helps, when they play it live now, he changes the lyric to "she's only 35..." or something like that.
Because that is the youngest age of the women in the crowd now. LOL
If she was 17 in 1988 when this came out, she’d be 51 today… damn
Not a big fan of Winger but holy smokes Reb Beach is an incredible guitarist, that main riff is trickier than it sounds, and the solo is fire!
He was good in Dokken. Don actually let him write & collaborate as he works with his band mates. Off record, many spoke against Kip-
@braxus6416 whi spoke against kip his band mates in winger? The guys who are to this day still in the band to write, record and go on tour with him? All the same guys.
Some of the absolute best guitar riffage of the 80s in this song.
Of course we think they're creepy if we are older but they are geared toward the audience which is primarily teenagers and it doesn't sound creepy to them. Songs like, Sweet Little Sixteen, teen Angel and even, I Love Rock and Roll, are about young women or young men in the latter case. The fact that older men are the ones writing them however.........
Early rock n' roll of the 50s and 60s catered to the young generation. I was told you could be a kid back then and still have options for innocent fun and the songs were marketing to teens. This song revealed that that idea had outgrown itself.
ah yes, a time when our world wasn't so damn politically correct. i miss it.
Good times, good times
yeah, it seems like having a girl's age mention in a song lyric or song title is becoming a taboo nowadays. to me, slot of the songs that mention girl's age are either from a perspective from a younger male who is in love or have crush on an older female or the other way around but with someone not too old like collage age. 16, 17, and 18 are a bit of threshold to adulthood and that can raise a lot of heated debate over age of the subject the songwriter is writing about.
there are songs that bring age different but no mention of age but bring up the subject of he's young, she's old or vice versa. want a good example? go check out the song Dianna by Paul Anka.
@@chrisstory563 yeah....wait til they hear joe walsh I LBT'S.
@@chrisstory563 Okay 18, 17, or 16 may be when you become an adult officially but you’re still like… young. You’d still be in high school or just getting out of it. Why would we allow grown men and women to make flirtatious moves on someone so young? Wouldn’t parents be outraged? Shouldn’t they be?
What does this have to do with political correctness? Song is literally about fucking a minor
Quite a lot of older songs are like this haha. The worst offender in my opinion is young girl by Gary Puckett and the Union Gap.
"You're Sixteen" - by Ringo Starr
Ringo covered the song...It's a Johnny Burnette song from 1960
@@lsw6292 Yes, I know it wasn't Ringo's song. But his cover of it became one of his best known songs, eventually becoming #1 on the US charts.
@@centuryrox got it...just trying to give it some historical perspective
@@lsw6292 Gotcha. Of course, Ringo was 33 years old when he decided to record that song. ##shiver##
Chuck Berry's "Little Queenie" from 1959 has a line that says "She's too cute to be a minute over seventeen". That song has been covered so many times by artists such as Jerry Lee Lewis, Tom Jones, The Beatles, and my favorite is by REO Speedwagon.
jerry lee doing the song is a little too real. i believe his wife was around 13 or 14
National age of consent is 16. Half the world is 15 and under.
Plus this song was 35 years ago. It's m ant to be a little rebellious. Motley Crue had a lyric "she's only 15"
Oh Winger! We miss the 80s hair bands!!!
Every time I hear this song I always think wow if they made this today they’d be in some trouble 🤦🏼♂️🤣
...because we have gone mad.
Yeah Kip Winger would be in a jail cell
And Lars Ulrich would still be throwing darts at his poster
This is what we call bubblegum music
Everytime I hear the name of this band or a song of their, all I think of is Beavis and Butthead sarcastically saying "winger" and making fun of the neighbor for wearing winger t-shirt. Their singer also tried to blame Beavis and Butthead for his bands downfall instead of their terrible song writing.
A lot of songs back in the 70s and 80s certainly raise eyebrows today with perceived references to teen love/lust or however you want to look at it. Stevie Nicks Edge of Seventeen, Billy idol Cradle of Love, Damn Yankees Coming of Age and a whole lot of other songs of similar content that were huge hits and played on MTV frequently. Difference is not many at the time got all in a tizzy or offended and wanted everything banned, we just jammed along with the music and that was that..wasnt taken so seriously.
There's nothing wrong with Edge of Seventeen. Jane Petty told Stevie that she met Tom at the age of seventeen. Her accent made it sound like edge of seventeen. They were both in high school, BTW,so, it wasn't pervy.
Stevie liked the sound of 'edge of seventeen",so,she used it in the song.
Back in the 80s, most of the time no one cared a bit about the lyrics. It was all about the metal, hair or not.
I kinda lived this song in reverse. When I was 18 I "dated" a 34 year old woman for a little while. I think she was genuinely shocked when I had the balls to hit on her. I was even more shocked when it actually worked. I have some great memories of getting wasted with my pals then having them drop me off at her house and going through her bedroom window(because she was asleep). She never got frustrated with me(I was young and very stupid), or denied me. It was all good times. She was absolutely smoking too. Of course every guy in town was trying to hit on her after they found out she getting with some 18 year old kid. She wasn't embarrassed by it at all. Cool lady.
Do you know the Rod Stewart song "Maggie May"? He wrote it about a similar experience he had.
This goes on my list of songs that were bangers back in the day, but that could never be written by todays standards. I still remember buying this album and thinking nothing of the subject matter of the song. Boy, do times change.
I have often wondered if the band still plays this at shows (assuming they still play shows). That's gotta be an awkward song as a, now, 55+ year old guy.
Right up there with Kiss' Christine Sixteen and Ringo Starr singing, You're Sixteen, You're Beautiful and You're Mine at age 30-ish
Yeah! they do , For years Kip has done solo acoustic shows and he's pretty awesome at it , But he does the song and has fun with it and usually brings A fan up to sing with him . I mean you wouldn't believe what rap groups sing about now lol my Granddaughter is 16 and listens in the car and wow lol .
I was 18 when the album came out. Yeah, meant nothing to me at the time.
Stray Cat Blues mentions 15 yos....
Amazing how things change. Chantilly Lace is a R&R Classic. But the lyrics are basically about chasing young girls. You guys did My Sharona and Cherry Pie, both about young girls. Bad Company's cover of Young Blood is the same, but it's a banger.
I was 17 when this came out and dating a 28yr old.
Different generation. In some ways we were more mature than the teens now. If we were transplanted to today we would seem totally different from today's youth.
The kids of today know stuff from the internet we actually lived life.
just imagine the reality of what this guy is trying to represent😅
@@harrypothead42024 lol. He was more immature than I was.
I was 15 and dating a 20 year old in the 80's. We've been married for 25 years and have been together for 33 years!
@David Lacey I think we all did. I also think it would help all the rage people feel today.
Smoke a blunt and relax.
Now, people will be stealing all the Cheetos!
This was a different time .. it was not released in 2022 . Not as creepy as many other songs out there
This song is, was and always will be 🔥🔥🔥🤘😎 I was 17 when this came out.. man I miss the 80’s!!!🤘🔥😎🥰
All the girls loved Winger. He played bass for Alice Cooper during his poison tour. Saw that concert.
Did he? I think for Winger he just moves around with it and spins it over his shoulder. Lmao
No, he played bass for Alice before that tour. I'm thinking it's when Kane Robert's was his guitarist. But pretty sure it was before the Trash tour.
Kip Winger played bass on Alice Cooper's albums Constrictor and Raise Your Fist And Yell, not Trash. Kip and Alice Cooper keyboardist Paul Taylor worked on songs during that tour and formed Winger. 1st Winger album was 1988 & Trash was 1989.
Whatever you think of the topic--objectively, one of the best straight up hard rock songs ever composed and produced and performed. Tops.
Winger is the most underrated band of all time . What a lot of people don't know is that Kip Winger , Reb Beach & the drummer all played for Alice Cooper & Alice Cooper doesn't let just anyone play with him . You have to be musically inclined to play with Cooper . This was just a fun goofy song they put together back in the day .
This click bait song has a killer solo man
The age of consent where I live was 14 when this song came out, and 17 is still legal in a lot of places.
14? Jesus christ..
The late great Sam Cooke, wrote a great, love song - "She Was Only 16" the comment section on that video are overloaded with accusations of underage assault etc... If they only listened to the lyrics, they would realize that it was the lament sung from the perspective of a 17yr old boy. The same applies to this song too - nowhere does it mention the age of the person singing it. Van Halenesque Roxy Blue, sang about "Rob The Cradle" doubt that any band member has an interest toddlers.
Republican Congressman Matt Gaetz’s favorite song.
I believe it was Beavis and Butthead who coined the phrase "Winger sucks".
“We listened to it, it won the poll….we’re moving on”
Kip Winger was really nice to look at lol
17 is legal in TEXAS … just saying.
"Where's Chris Hansen?" 💀 "Why don't you have a seat right there, Kip Winger"
Ick Factor: HIGH There's a reason Winger didn't last longer than it took for the MTV Video to fade from people's memories.
I was like 14 when this song came out. In 8th grade. No reason to make more of it than it is. When I hear this it's more like a memory of being a teenager. Great tune. Lots of good songs on this tape.
BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Winger brought to the closed eyes that the girls in the audience just might not be of age!!! Lololol!
Winger singer, bassist Kip Winger played bass on 2 Alice Cooper albums before forming Winger with Alice Cooper keyboardist Paul Taylor. Winger guitarist Reb Beach has also played guitar with Dokken, Whitesnake, Black Swan. Kip Winger and Reb Beach also did 1 album with The Mob with Winger on bass, Beach on guitar, Dug Pinnick on vocals (King's X, KXM), Kelly Keagy on drums (Night Ranger), Timothy Drury on keyboards (tour keyboardist with Don Henley, Eagles, Whitesnake). Winger drummer Rod Morgenstein is a world class drummer. Check him out with the Dixie Dregs, Steve Morse Band, Platypus and The Jelly Jam.
Stones have a song " strat cat blues " a line said " she is only 13 years old. Lots of old blues songs were about minors. " good morning little schoolgirl " is one
This is the kind of rock & roll excess that bands like U2 and REM kind of rebelled against. Well, almost all new wave or 80s alternative. Then Nirvana came along and hammered in the final nail (thank God).
Funny reaction. A collision of decades. Back in the 80's this didn't seem like such a big deal. But i can understand your discomfort with this today. Don't forget the famous Beatles song from the '60's - I Saw Her Standing There - where Paul McCartney famously sang: "Well she was just seventeen, you know what i mean.." Times change and morality changes with it. As a side note - I knew my great-grandmother -- she didn't die until i was 19 - and she was married when she was 12 and had her first child at 13. Her husband was 2 years older than her. This wasn't unusual in the early 1900's. Obviously, life expectancy was much lower - so people matured faster. I laugh when i hear parents today say that kids grow up so much faster today. Are you kidding me? Many kids today go to school until they're almost 30 - then get their first job - then get married in their 40's - then hurry and have a child because they realize that human biology didn't keep up with our prolonged life expectancies. Anyway - my 2 cents - and thanks for this reaction. Very amusing.
Delayed maturity is by design. I don't think there are many, if any, true adult humans alive anymore. Our whole society is designed to keep us all nearly infantile. The legal ages of adulthood have some basis in biology, but at this point, we are so mentally and behaviorally handicapped in our development that no one reaches full maturity, even in their 80s!
I was 16 when this came out and I used to laugh when I sang the line ' daddy says she's too young but she's old enough for me'. 🤣 I thought the whole tape was pretty good. We used to listen to it in the mornings before school when we were weight training for football.
Clickbait title blows. The song rules
Certain... Habits... Were extremely commonplace back then. Groupies ages ranged anywhere from 13 to old, and unfortunately no age was off limits for a lot of people. Also unfortunately, there are some great songs with very questionable subject matter
Reb Beach is a BEAST on guitar!!!
This had me laughing bc Brad gets uncomfortable when somebody says something like “little girl” in a song, but this one was so unambiguous lol… “I like teenageeeeers” 😂
Great song if your 18-20. After 21 it gets creepier an creepier every year.
Kip Winger admits to stuffing a sock in the front of his pants before shows 😂
Refreshing honesty
Rock used to be provocative and dangerous. Would you feel less creeped out if she was 18? Some states the age of consent is 16. If a dude is 19 I guess but today it's totally creepy. My mom was married at 15 so times have definitely changed. You really don't become an adult until you're 30 as far as brain development but there's no chance you can stop adolescents from having sex.
4 black brothers with a white drummer created this ICONIC Masterpiece from the 60’s Psychedelic Era Trust me…. You do not want your life to end without hearing this song.
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so far. YOU will like it too. This is not just a song.... It is an experience like none other you've ever heard, and you'll never forget hearing it.
Kip Winger was 27. Age of consent was 16 in a lot of places.
It's weird, but not uncommon at the time. It's questionable on both sides honestly lol.
Robbing the cradle is what it used to be called. Kind of like Brad and Lex here.
I was 9 when this song came out so when i sang it as a boy..i never taught anything wrong lmfao
Hahaha me too ….. like she’s kinda too old for me but whatever
@@bruceweeks439 i only had like five friends at that time i remember what are you singing they would say lmfao i wound say Winger look at me like im wierd then i would say MTV they would say cool you have MTV i would say no My Grandpa does only way i would see videos back then
"Really great guitaring!" I like that!
age of consent ranges from 16-18 depending on where you lived in a lot of places back then. It may still.
I was a teenaged girl when this came out (19), but a LOT of the girls I knew at 17 during the 80's would throw a man down and make him remember her name.🤨😆 It was a different time and I don't recall anyone being up in arms about this song. Now is a totally different story. They're doing it a lot younger from what I can see these days, but to blatantly write a song about it now would be unheard of. My main memory was of all the metal guys making fun of Kip Winger 😆
Christ I was in high school and hung out at a park all the time playing flag football with friends and lots of girls from the Jr. High would hang out there and they would try to mack on the older guys and I couldn't believe the things they would say lol , This song is actually pretty innocent next to things in songs these days too .
This song might not be exactly politically correct but you know the 17 year olds were lining up at their dressing rooms. Lucky bastards.
"Politically correct" is a funny way of saying "illegal"
And it doesn't matter how many 17 year olds were lining up, your not exactly at your brightest when you're 17
You guys are the best!!! I envy you getting to hear all these tunes for the first time!!!! Lex is a true metal head at heart 🤘🏻❤️
And if you want old school metal I got tons of it
Hunter and Joe hate this song!? 17 Is far Too Old!
Heading For A Heartbreak is Wingers best song.
For me I like Madalane.
Funny fact: winger still plays this song but they sing “she’s only 54” instead of 17 😂
Awesome band, check Generica from them, way different vibe
I don't mind Winger. Rock on Brad & Lex