How could Satan have sinned when he was in Heaven?
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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A fine, thinking Christian. In my thirty years as a believing Christian, not once have I thought about this. Very good question, young lady!
😁🤣 same here
God did not create an opportunity for beings to sin. God created an opportunity for beings to freely be obedient to his word rather than force them to.
@@yukymeajoseph177 Romans 8:20
I'm the opposite.. I don't consider myself as more intelligent than anyone else because of it, I just always thought about the outside of the box questions. This is one I thought of many times, and I was surprised to come across it. I never considered the answer in this way so I'm glad I did.
Yukymea Joseph - Imagine a video game designer creating a game that allowed a player to do something the designer did not want you to do. That ability can only be there for two reasons. The first is that it was designed on purpose as a test that the player has failed in the eyes of the designer. The second would be a flaw in the code that the user can exploit. In my video game analogy, god is the designer and the players are everyone else - including satan. In either case, the designer created the opportunity - either by intent or incompetence.
You’re my lord and savior Jesus Christ. Thank you for making the sacrifice so we can have the opportunity to be saved.
Master will save us? We must get down on our knees & beg for his mercy? Religions born when Kings/Masters/Dictators ruled and made God in their image - blindly being followed even today!
What does one DO in Heaven? Just sit about doing nothing? All because you joined the right religion, prayed to the right God?
Ramaraksha Yeah man we have to ask for forgiveness because we’re sinners!
Ramaraksha look for Jesus, and ask for guidance from the Holy Spirit so you can understand why it’s important to have faith and why Jesus is your savior.
@@sinatrapr3171 A slave mentality - if you made a mistake should you not be correcting it? Instead of thinking we can be forgiven and scoot off without even facing the victim? Religion is giving you the backdoor way out and you are taking it
No God is going to help you cheat the victim - only the victim has the right to forgive, not even God has that right
@@sinatrapr3171 How did you get your job? A promotion? Did someone give it to you because you begged for it or did you work for it?
Now with religion you are ready to beg? God is like a King/Master who will be pleased by your begging and will nicely save you? Give you the easy good life in Heaven?
God created the POTENTIAL for sin to occur, by graciously creating beings with FREE WILL. But He didn't CAUSE sin itself. Good answer.
then god is not all powerful.
Not really god always has an effect on the environment that leads people to sin. So basically he causes them to sin then punish them forever for it. That's so fucked up
Did your god not know that his creations would rebel against him? If he knew, why would he punish them for doing the exact thing he created them for?
@@itsJPhere Exactly
God didn’t create sin... we did.
Whenever I face questions that seem impossible to answer, I refer back to a word I once heard a preacher say, "The reason I follow God is because I cant have an answer to every question I have. If I get to answer every question it would make an equal with God. Some of the situations and questions we cant answer or fully explain are what made God, a God." Not a word by word conclusion to what he said but is kind of a summary. I hope this helps answer some of the questions that may be troubling you as it this has helped me so much over the years.
Hope some one can answer this I have not found an answer yet thanks for your time
1) Did Lucifer had free will to decide to rebel against God?
2) Or did God created Satan just for the purpose of trying to find the true humans who love him and will worship for eternity?
3) Is the "corrupted world" the "trials of Satan" are the way to determine what humans will receive salvation in their heart and will go to heaven with God and what humans will go to hell?
4) If God is all knowing and all powerful Why not create only the first group of humans and not the second so in this case there is no need to send most of mankind to hell?
Thank you. It helped me
@@naphakademadziba971 Glad I could help. God bless you.
So you aren’t interested in what is truth or not just staying willfully ignorant.
@@hughjanus2781 I did not say you shouldn't seek these things but rather these things are not the gateway for entering heaven or hell. It just makes more sense not to think more about these questions we may encounter in life because we may not actually find a correct and acceptable answer but that shouldn't bother us.
Satan sinning was a confirmation of Gods love. The fact that satan could choose to disobey God display that God does not force angels to love him. If you force someone to love you, try to manipulate someone into loving you that in itself is not love. Likewise, our free will to choose to love God confirms Gods love for us as well. We see Gods love confirmed in eden when Adam disobeyed God as well. The difference is and I don’t know why but God created a plan of redemption for man that didn’t include angels. Angels have no redemption plan. “What is man that thou are so mindful of him.” Finally, the scripture states that when we choose Christ in this earthly life when he redeems us we will be sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise. Eternal security isn’t for this earthly life eternal security is for our new life’s in Christ in the new heavens and the new earth. Praise God.
That’s a good point. I wonder why God didn’t include angels in that redemption plan?
Maybe he holds them to a higher standard because they already have the honor of being in his presence so if they choose to rebel it’s almost worse than when humans do because we haven’t experienced his glory like they have. Just a thought
Wow some amazing points, the both of you!
One could say that forcing someone to choose between loving you and being tormented for all eternity is manipulation. One reason (of the many) I became an atheist was this love or punishment choice. This is not a relationship I would ever accept from anyone in my life and would tell everyone to avoid. As you said 'If you force someone to love you, try to manipulate someone into loving you that in itself is not love.' From that perspective God becomes unpalatable, God becomes unworthy of you, and God slips into mythology as many gods before them. At this point religion is more of a curiosity for me. How and why people still believe is fascinating.
@@bobbyknight2362 The thing is, all good things come from God and are a part of his attributes. Anything good that we have here is simply due to the grace of God who doesn't owe us anything accept death as it says in the Romans 6.23 "the wages of sin is death". Therefore the only other choice is to choose things which are opposite to God. For example Jesus calls himself the truth and the light. If that's the case then the only other choice is lies and darkness. Satan is the father of lies John 8.44. You can't expect God to give you some of his attributes in the after life when you want nothing to do with him. I also want to point out that it is not God who is torturing people in hell, it's the fallen angels who have nothing else to do because they chose to be separated from God's grace. I hope this makes sense..
@@shomshomni2314 I disagree with the idea that God owes nothing. They have taken it upon themselves to actively create mankind knowing full well what the outcome will be for each and every one of us (Omniscience). If God just allowed nonbelievers to cease to exist once their earthly life is over and not be cast into hell, at least that would be a step up morally for them. So if I am understanding you correctly, you are asserting that there is only two options God (truth and light ) or Satan (lies and darkness) and that God doesn't actively torture someone in hell but does send them there if they choose not to believe. Still sounds like forced 'love' to me. Believe in / love me or be sent to a hell that I created with the demons that I also created that turned their back on me because an arch angle that I created decided he wanted to be above me. And; I knew all of this would come to pass before I even began. This sounds more like an experiment that went sideways than a divine plan. I obviously also don't believe in Satan either and do try to live in a way that is not harmful to society. I do this because that's the only way society works not because I fear hell at the end of my life. So I don't choose God and I don't choose Satan so there is at least 1 more option that seems to be lumped in with Satan, lies, and darkness. So live a good life (sometimes better than self-professed Christians) but still end up in hell because you didn't believe in / love God.
Dear Lord, father, I wish to be with you in Heaven and experience all your Glory and Unconditional love.
lol maybe here on earth try finding a Sugar Daddy or Mommy who will keep you in nice comfort?
@@morten3536 What is sad is that to you God is like a Putin, a Dictator, a Master - down on your knees, begging for his mercy
Just like a Dictator rewards his cronies, He will reward you because you support him?
And anyone who does not support the Dictator must be punished?
Many of Putin's friends became rich overnight - it was not Earned - they got rich because of they knew the Dictator
You too will get Heaven not because you Earned it, but because you know this Dictator God
God, no better than a Putin, a cruel Dictator & you are nothing but a groveling slave
Thanks but no Thanks
We Hindus choose to remain True Children of God
@@ramaraksha01 How is God a dictator lol? All he says is not to do bad things (sin) in this world because they destroy a humans mind, body and soul? (Which they do) He is less like a dictator but a beautiful loving father that cares and loves everyone so deeply on this earth, that he only wants the best for his Children. Jesus is a God of love nothing more nothing less. Its the reason he died on a cross having to endure hours and hours of torture because he ultimately loves us. The greatest love story ever told.
Dictator, Nope not even close. The most beautiful and perfect God. You should be ashamed of yourself for calling God a dictator. When Jesus comes again in glory people who do evil will know true fear when the gates of hell are opened up for the whole earth and those that love God are lifted up in the air for safety. You might want to start repenting now Ramaraksha and turning away from your sin, and starting to seek Jesus, because God showed me the evil that is in Hell (Murderers, rapists, Child molesters, Nazi's, such pure evil) and it is more scary than eyes have ever seen. Peace be with you.
@Dan Delgado Repent for your sins and you may be redeemed by Lord Jesus Christ from Hell Fire.
Ramaraksha that is temporary. God's love is everlasting
This has been a question I have had for a long time, one which has really weighed on me. After a hard day of questioning everything and how lucifer could fall being in the presence of God I opened RUclips and this was in my suggestions... no coincidence at all. I needed to hear this. Thank you.
And the answer satisfied you??
@Applicant Number 301 Islam is a heresy. A form of nestorian Christianity.
Since Jesus is to judge the living and the dead and only God can render judgement then Jesus must be God.
Thank you. Have a great day.
Satan is mankinds scapegoat.
Still too immature to take the blame for our own actions and decisions.
The serpent was used to test mankind. Did the serpent have a choice or did God put him up to it?
In Isaiah God says he creates good and evil.
In Exodus God stiffens the Pharaohs heart against Moses.
In the desert God punishes the Israelites with serpents and then heals them through a serpent.
This guy seems like another false teacher pretending to have knowledge when he only has the false doctrines the church.
He fell, because he desired power. Don't you think that once creation is made. They have absolutely have no knowledge of evil and good. And so this happens to angels also. Some are made perfect. But too perfect may lead to evil.
@Applicant Number 301 that angle makes sense because how was their sin in heaven but there’s been stories where Lucifer/satan was a woman and had a bad relationship with God. Or satan being Jesus and had a fall out with his dad. The one you said makes sense though, where you read it on?
I became a Christian eighteen years ago and one of the first questions I asked in my first discipleship class was whether Satan can repent or not. The pastor couldn't answer me, but one of the seasoned Bible teachers must've been inspired by the Holy Spirit at that moment, and he told me that Satan can't repent because he's been judged already.
He can’t repent because his pride was too great.
A lot of people dont want to submit to God because of pride. It’s the same thing that caused Satan to fall
@@orangeblossom9279 He can't repent because he's been judged already.
@@forgoogletotrack7181 'judged' as what, the reason to be a scapegoat like we Are? As insufficient even when it didn't create itself 🙄? As part of a 'perfect' being that ALLOWED imperfection and PAIN.
That is correct. There is no plan of Salvation for Satan or the fallen angels. Salvation is only extended to man.
Most of the questions starting by "How could..." concerning all God's creations basically share the same answers: *Free will*
There is a reason for our brains to reason then.. To live with logic..
@Daniel King Free will & Pride. The same way some men believe they can achieve immortality or conquer the universe meanwhile they don't even comprehend the purpose of a blackhole. Before his fall, Samael (Lucifer) was the brightest star and God's favorite angel, let that sink in
@@MegumiHayashida Question though, you agree we can be better than God? We have to be better than St. Michael though..
@@leibniz4455 This question shouldn't even cross your mind if we consider the fact that God as a cosmic eternal entity is the source.
@@MegumiHayashida Yep, thanks for satisfying my question. There are atheists that troll as Christians, so I wanted to know.
“We won’t sin in heaven because there won’t be a need to.” Well have everything.
I can’t believe I’ve never looked at it that way. So Satan sinned because he had a selfish need to be God. Adam and Eve sinned because they had a selfish need to be like God.
That is not in the scriptures.
Satan represents the rebellion against God; the rebellion against the Divine Order of the universe. Who better to enlist in his armies than the creatures that were made in the image of God? Now how does satan get the human to do his dirty work for him? By lying. That's why Jesus calls satan "the father of lies". The sense of pride is what leads Eve to believe satan's lie and that pride is what we call luciferianism. Hence judaism is satanism and freemasonry is luciferianism. The exact same dynamic is at play there.
And what do you think we Sinners are doing then?
Are we not trying to be Gods?
The Witches
The Sjamans
The Satanists
The Devil Worshippers
The Elect
The Elite
The Sigma Male's
The Chosen
Druids
Masons
ALL of them are waiting for
The Grand Awakening...
They ALL wil be as the gods of Mankind were BEFORE The Flood..
We ARE also filled to the brim with False Prophets.
And if you think Religious, your wrong..
EVERY Human that has followers on RUclips etc..
Are deemed False Prophets.
Even if that were to be a smal innocent child..
The World wil go mad soon
I believe it is Written as Rapture
Is also The Birth of The Son.
NOT The Son of God.
Hell, Sheoll AND Abyss
The Trinity of The Alpha And Omega
Wil have a Son.
He is The Son of Man.
@@bobcatdrums which part of that isn't in the scriptures?
@@jeremiahnoar7504 hi. Mainly Your first paragraph, which scriptures say what that man was saying ?
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The brilliance in children is because how in tune and nurtured there creative imagination can be. Coming from an architect
There is always free choice, keep in mind that familiarity breeds contempt. Lucifer wanted God's position and wanted to get rid of God and have man in servitude to him.
Also near the end of the thousand years of peace, Lucifer will be set free from his prison and will sway multitudes to rebellion. The girl asking the question should ponder this as well. One third of the angels also rebelled along with Lucifer, hence the demons.
Uhh… what? You may want to re-read that.
@@johnqpublic6228 So he wanted people to serve him all the same as God demands we serve him? He does more-less say that several times in the Vatican accepted books of the Bible today.
Why would God run back the whole “Second Coming War Deal” a thousand years down the road?
UNLESS!!!
The only thing that makes sense to me is that Satan and his army of head banging demons win this next one. Why else would you have a trilogy fight when one dude has already won twice? Everyone know a one-one split going into the third fight sells way more tickets than a fight everyone has already seen and paid for twice.
@@johnqpublic6228 There is no free choice, everything was already decided upon when the alknowing and almighty creator created everything. He knew your entire life long before he created you, and you live your life exactly according to the way he created you. No free choice here.
@Pelgrim There has to be free choice. It may seem like an illusion of free choice because yes, God does know everything we will do.
BUT; that doesn’t mean we don’t have free choice, it just means God already knows the choices we will end up taking.
I have noted all my questions that I will ask Jesus when we meet..this is definitely gonna be one. ☺️👍
lol like asking 1. what does one DO in Heaven? is there any work & why would God need any work to be done?
2. and what about my loved ones down on earth? Could they be starving/suffering/sick/homeless/jobless?
I bet these are not the questions on your list
I did that when i was a kid, the most important question i had for Jesus was "Where did my stack of Yu Gi Oh cards went? they seem to have disappeared when i moved to my new house." lol
@@mirror8519 It is amazing that so many think God is like a nice Sugar Daddy who is happy to keep billions in cozy comfort and live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders happily sponging off him, not doing a lick of work & living the good life
And down below their families could be starving, suffering, homeless but they don't care anymore!
What scum buckets people are reduced to by this religion
@@ramaraksha01 Nigga if you're not telling me where my Yu Gi Oh cards went shut up
@@mirror8519 If you really want to know where those cards went you will have to ask God or Jesus after Armageddon comes... which we will be soon by the way things are going. The thing is, when that day arrives not everyone will survive, I can tell you what you have to do to survive that day of demolition... and you'll get the answer you're looking for then (everything is a process after all). Fair enough?
This was a good question!!!!
A good question indeed. There really is no such thing as a bad question tbh.
No it is not. It is a,question born of ignorance. It easy to figure out how angels can rebel. They have free will just like us.
Timothy Robles And a good answer
@@bbjj2867 There is no bad question. How do u think people learn? There are people out there who don't even believe in free will so it was a good question. It shows that the person is thinking.
@@bbjj2867 we were all once ignorant. Its a good question. Will we have the ability to sin in heaven? Why or why not
The absolute best analogy was wen he said wen we create children we dont create sin ..only opportunity..wow that is the best example of free will.. thank u for the analysis.
You should have way more likes. This concept is profound in helping you to understand God's creation if you just think about it deeply.
Hope some one can answer this I have not found an answer yet thanks for your time
1) Did Lucifer had free will to decide to rebel against God?
2) Or did God created Satan just for the purpose of trying to find the true humans who love him and will worship for eternity?
3) Is the "corrupted world" the "trials of Satan" the way to determine what humans will receive salvation in their heart and will go to heaven with God and what humans will go to hell?
4) If God is all knowing and all powerful Why not create only the first group of humans that will get salvation and not the second so in this there is no need to send most of mankind to hell?
what you are saying is kind interesting however I wish to follow the question in sincere hope to preserve a believing that must be true but also it is quite hard to understand that the only reason to create satan and allow it to exist is because he has according to your answer love as we now that he is the great adversary (right) and he try to trick us to sin but now you tell me that is impossible to had free will if God intervene but has not already God intervene allowing Satan to exist?
Furthermore Satan was in the presence of God and he had free will to oppose him so for humans that sometimes had doubts about God existence because he is not present in the world is not a justification to not have free will, then if he is capable to allow humans to had free will would be also possible to create already only the humans that he knows in the future with free will would chose him and not send the other humans to hell?
Help me my best regards.
Only the opportunity for sin. So negligence?
Actually you are creating sin when you procreate. You are creating another Eater and the eater is a sinner. To eat requires violence. To breathe also requires violence. Even the smallest amount of violence like killing microorganisms in the process of breathing is also a sin. Any entity that could created such a system where violence is required for basic survival is a Malevolent Entity and certainly not a Benevolent Entity.
I asked years back this same question and people said ,I have devil inside me .
Same. Everybody saying good question, which it is, but I've thought this for years lol
You dont. Its a natural question.
Thats rouph buddy
People who have a hard time defending their beliefs or faith will always find the easy way out which is to look at you as evil or disgusting. People don’t like things they can’t wrap their heads around or shake their belief systems. Differences scare people people that’s why we have racism, sexism, discrimination, violence, in general, differences make us push people out of our lives. Smart people learn to embrace and accept difference because life is ever-changing, ever-evolving.
It's a natural question but free-will doesn't exist. We have will power but it's easily exhausted.
Some of the most thought-provoking questions are not always by adults but children. Good discussion.
This preacher understands ✝️God bless him🙏🏻💖
Sure...i knows...how ? he just invents what the caller want's to hear.... typical religious BS !
@Gumshoe Beaumont Sure, he has free will by talking BS off his head..... can't you see that he knows nothing more than me and you ?
@Gumshoe Beaumont Late reply......" the holy bible is a collection of 66 books written by more than 40 authors "...... and that's the point, 1600 years of added bits and pieces. IF that was directly from god, it would have been achieved in ONE minute....... instead, it just came out of the minds of CANNING priests/others who concocted to maintain FEAR in the populace, so easier to control. It worked then...and now.
@Gumshoe Beaumont You don’t know what free will is
This young woman's questions are very sophisticated and most excellent.
Matthew 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
“ God created a possibility of sin when free will was given ”
That's deep , true and accurate
what you are saying is kind interesting however I wish to follow the question in sincere hope to preserve a believing that must be true but also it is quite hard to understand that the only reason to create satan and allow it to exist is because he has according to your answer love as we now that he is the great adversary (right) and he try to trick us to sin but now you tell me that is impossible to had free will if God intervene but has not already God intervene allowing Satan to exist?
Furthermore Satan was in the presence of God and he had free will to oppose him so for humans that sometimes had doubts about God existence because he is not present in the world is not a justification to not have free will, then if he is capable to allow humans to had free will would be also possible to create already only the humans that he knows in the future with free will would chose him and not send the other humans to hell?
Help me my best regards.
@Dylan O I watch anime and I'm Christian
Yes you can watch anime , just have time for God by praying and reading your bible :)
Angels were not given Free Will! Only Man/Woman were given Free Will! So the First sin was Rebellion by satan to GOD's Will! Then Eve was dupted by the author of confusion/satan into sin because she had not heard directly from GOD about not eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil! That was Adam's responsibility to instruct Eve about what GOD had said!
@@a.39886Satan was not created as Satan, he was a perfect angel. Although, judging by his power, he was above common angel, maybe seraphim? Does no matter.
So, he became Satan only after he chose to oppose God.
He could not have been created as Satan, because the creator is holy and there is no evil in him. So, he can not be a source of evil.
@@DartNoobo Did God now that Satan will oppose God?
Sex, money, and power are neutral things; like everything, it’s how you use them that matters.
Yuuup and intentions plays a big part
@@RazeDee God knows our intentions! 1 Samuel 16:7
True evolution is not the abundance of these things but the rejection of them Give to God what is Gods give to caeser what is caesers
@@thecarlitosshow7687 God is a fictional character
@@hughjanus2781 then dont mention, think, or talk about God at all. You referring to him even if you are trying to refute his existence still keeps affirming a negative in your eyes. Its best to not mention or think about God at all if you're an atheist.
Answer:
Because God is love, he NEVER has slaves-his creations ALWAYS have FREE will.
For he who is called in the Lord while a slave is the Lord’s freedman. Likewise he who is called while free is Christ’s slave. 1 Corinthians 7:22
We are slaves of Christ but that is still a true freedom compared to being a slave of sin. You will always have a master but you choose which one to serve.
Free will ruined man, temptation ie. Disobedience ruined us
"ALWAYS", huh? There's a certain Pharaoh who would disagree with you there.
But he sure seemed to condone slavery in book that you've never read..
I don’t know @rusty shackelford
Romans 8
15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.[f] And by him we cry, “Abba,[g] Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs-heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
Well said! Blessed be Jesus I can’t wait to meet him, he seems like such a great guy. (To everyone saying he is more than just a guy yes I know he is the son of God, the messiah, he is our great savior)
:D
You will never meet Him if all you ever believe is that He’s just a great guy.
Jesus or the pastor? 😆
Boy are you going to be disappointed, oh wait, you won't be because you'll be dead and never know you were wrong.
More than a guy tho, he is all of humanity's savior.
What an excellent question and what an amazing answer!!! Thank YOU JESUS!!!!!!!
The question wasn’t even remotely answered
I’ve always had an idea right or wrong it may be. When satan and the angels made their choice and took the fall from Heaven it was then Heaven was purged of sin, to keep history from repeating itself God created us to make the decision here wither we choose him or not (choose this day in whom you’ll serve) the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was placed to resemble the choice. Once we’re done with this life if we choose to serve and believe in Him it’s then we are called what the Bible says “overcomer’s in Christ”. We’ve overcame the world and made our choice to choose him therefore the choice doesn’t have to be made in Heaven. The purest form of love is our loyalty to Him. We are being conditioned here and purified there
Amen, brother I believe you are spot on. Revelation 12:7 has already happened
Jesus is my Lord and Savior, and I’m thankful for His sacrifice and resurrection by God!
But why did you even get put into jeopardy at all, @brenansepai - ? And to major degree, via no conscious choice?
Unlike all disloyal angels...
If God is all powerful and is full of forgiveness why couldn't he just forgive and not have to MAKE the rest suffer!!
@Marvin Bass Dude... I've... got nothing.
Mind you, Jehovah was sometimes, kinda that weird...
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@@papadelta316 Who said he couldn't?
Apparently the circumstances were such that creating this world was the best course of action. Or it may have just been this is how God wanted to do things. Who can know?
I think the thing to bear in mind is that we're being cut off from full knowledge of the situation for some reason that has to do with our free will. And if you look at certain NDE accounts (near death experiences), this seems to be the case. A lot of people have talked about going to Heaven and being sent back with the understanding that they won't be able to remember everything they learned or seen because it would ruin or compromise their lifes purpose.
What I would say is there's some set of circumstances that we're not privy to at the moment that are going explain everything perfectly in the end. I've also seen this stated in NDE's, though they couldn't remember what that information was.
From how obviously -- and possibly infinitely -- intelligent & powerful the Creator of this universe is, I would say the smart money is on God knowing exactly what He's doing and being completely justified in how & why He's doing it.
I don’t know if this is true or not, but heard it somewhere and it kind of made sense to me. When the angels would come gather and worship and praise God, he would appear on his throne and they would all kneel and bow down. Lucifer was the closest angel to God and one time God appeared with Jesus at his right. This confused Lucifer and he didn’t want to bow down. When he turned and saw God’s brilliance reflecting off of all of the angels worshipping Him, he got a glimpse of what it would be like to be worshipped. This is how and why he rebelled and wanted to be like God.
That’s interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Only Isa. 14 has the name Lucifer and it literally does not appear in Hebrew as a name, it means son of the morning. Lucifer is a morphing from Hebrew to Latin to English. BTW it is not the Devil. Better read all of Isa. 14 and tell me how this can possible be the Devil, (vs 16, Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: "Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble; vs 19 All the kings of the nations lie in state, each in his own tomb.
But you are cast out of your tomb like a rejected branch; you are covered with the slain, with those pierced by the sword, those who descend to the stones of the pit. Like a corpse trampled underfoot,)
@@livingwordchurch1956 I don't see how people assume that Lucifer/Devil/Satan was ever an angel. The Bible never once confirms that. People are taking verses in the Bible out of context. We don't know how Satan came to be or if he was in fact an angel. We can only assume God created for one reason or another.
If I turns out that I've fallen too short to be worthy of salvation in the end, I hope that at least I get to see Jesus once to tell him how sorry I am that he had to suffer because of my actions. I've always been able to watch graphic, horrific violence without it making me feel depressed or crazy or anything, but when I saw the passion and I saw the suffering he went through, I could not stop crying. It still swirls in my head. I can't fathom someone so good that they choose to do what he did.
The Bible says we can know if we have eternal life, so you don't have to wait until judgement day to find out if you 'make it' into Heaven. Entey into Heaven is a free gift given by God through Jesus's death, to anyone who repents and believes. See Romans 6:23. You can pray and ask God to confirm to you that you are saved or ask him to bring you to the place and time where you truly repent and believe Him.
@@miriammiller9643 I agree
My GOD is bigger than all your sin no one is holding you back except yourself ask KING JESUS to forgive you and follow HIM Your in my prayers
These questions often get answered through the lens of our preconceived notions. At dinner time one day, I was looking for salad tongs. The picture of the tongs that I had in my mind was a metallic pair of tongs, very specific. I looked in the drawer and didn't see any tongs. So I asked my wife where they were. She said they were in the drawer where I had just looked. So I looked again, this time without the mental picture of metallic tongs. I just looked at what was actually there. Low and behold, there was the salad tongs, but looking much different than I had envisioned. We do the same thing with our beliefs and with God that I did with the salad tongs. Too busy searching for what aligns with our thinking and missing what is plainly in front of our face the whole time. I love that she asked these questions, but it would have been better for him to just say "I don't know" than to give those answers he did which to me equated to "because science" lol
You cant say that you dont know, and his answer is right, a third of the angels in heaven went with lucifer, they made choices too. I believe they like us too have a certain level of free will, which have been exhibited in several places in the bible.
And I open up the drawer and ask, "What was I looking for again?"
@@ronaldmorgan7632 God gave the Angels Authority; and God wanted to know if the Angels could all be trusted with it; it seems they couldn't (even high Officer holders are under Temptation). So, Plan B was started. Jesus referenced the story of the Farmer & the Tenants, those who killed his Son.
@@RogerThat1945 So god isn’t all knowing?
@@RogerThat1945 Well, according to scriptures God is omniscient he knew this was going to happen, and he prepared for it, we know that he is all loving and wonderful and would not do anything contrary to what he commands us to be and do .. so there is something big going on that we do not know about. blessings
I'm a Christian and love Frank but he still did not address why Satan felt the need to sin from Heaven because of free will, yet we won't feel the need to sin when we get to Heaven, according to him.
I struggle with this, can anyone help?
Sin is acting in defiance of God's nature and law. In essence, sin is separating ourselves from God. We who will be in Heaven with God, are those that, even though we are currently separated, strive to be united with God once more. That is the difference between Satan's choices and ultimate outcome and our choices and ultimate outcome. Since we are trying to be united with God, even though we have the possibility to turn away again, we won't.
Satan is not accused of sinning, but rather of rebellion against God. Based on scripture, the angels do not have free will. If there's no free will, there's no sin, only rebellion. IF there's no sin, there's no repentance. As we know, Satan cannot and will not repent.
You can see the rebellion part of the demonic kingdom in full play when Jesus drives the demons from out of two men into a herd of pigs. Matt 8:28-34. You'd imagine that the demons possessing the men would have implored for mercy, instead they asked that be sent into a herd of pigs. Why possess pigs is in itself an interesting subject to ponder upon, but that's a discussion for another day. Suffice to know that pigs were considered impure under Jewish law, and Jesus was a Jew.
That is my understanding of it. Hope it helps rather than confuse it further.
@@PlanoFSXer Rebellion against God is sin.
He did address it. Unfortunately why Satan did that is not told to us. He speculated/reasoned how Satan was able to do it but there isn't an explanation on the why.
I have heard others speculate that Satan thought he was a perfect being and thought he should be God. As a created being he simply cannot be God, but he didn't want to accept that and rebelled.
Sounds reasonable to me, but we simply do not know why.
The reason Satan rebelled was because he wanted to be God. The more spiritual version of what we humans without Jesus are trying to do. Divination and Idolatry, essentially.
The rebellion in Heaven is the proof that they had that choice
Ephesians 6:12
For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
@Dan Delgado Price of free will my friend. If Evil can be calculated I believe Heaven is still a lot better and wiser to choose. Anyways God is there so probably the Evil is not around for a mere second.
And from your question I don't understand. Are you trying to be in a worse mess or something? Surely you already know Heaven is a much better that's why it's called Heaven are you a macshochist or something?
But then we will also have a choice to rebel against God, how long can you handle eternity, one day surely will rebel God, then what
Dan Delgado you won’t be able to play with your “yoo-hoo” in any dimension outside of this earth. That is a reproductive organ that is only useful on earth. Outside of earth.. you simply won’t have one. No males or females in heaven. Only spiritual bodies.
Also, if any of Gods angles will ever disobey and rebel against him, God would already know that before it happens. Just like her knew Lucifer would rebel against him before he ever did. God chose to make Lucifer anyway because he knew he could use him for the purpose of this temporary world. God even gave the world to Satan to rule it just to make the point that Gods people will still choose Jesus even against all odds.
No other angel will rebel against God because they are seeing first hand what happens when you do. Satan wishes he never did.
@Dan Delgado if Lucifer was cast down, there's no verse to give an exact time frame or location. We do have an idea of how he sinned. We do know from Jesus in Matthew 6 that isn't isn't only limited to physical action or audible words. That sin can be done in the heart. Like when jesus said being angry with your brother is murder or lusting is adulatery. We also know that according to 1st John chapter 3 that sin is breaking a direct commandment from God. We know Lucifer was jealous of Man and that lead to a series of events unfolding. We do know it happened after creating the heavens and earth. We do know that Lucifer broke a direct commandment of God(what the exact command was we don't know), what we do know is what Jesus' little brother Jude said in the 6th and 9th verse of his book, that Lucifer in the 6th verse "did not stay within the limits of authority God gave" and "abandoned their proper dwelling". So we can take it as God gave him authority with limits that he broke and/or Lucifer was not in the right location he should have been. The location(heaven or earth) of Lucifer's decision/idea is unknown. In Jude verse 9 the archangel Michael was said to have been contending with Lucifer about the body of Moses. Jude writes that Michael "did not dare accuse or condemn" Lucifer. So we know an angel is not allowed to accuse anyone or condemn(judge someone worthy of punishment) anyone, even if that person is the devil himself. You, others, and myself have the right to have a conversation about the location of the sin, but we would not be debating strictly biblical items with actual biblical verses. It would be a conversation of guesses.
i Praise God for his mercy grace and love he is Great and powerful and majestic and awesome and all knowing wow what a great God we serve he's not Limited to space time or matter so awesome.
Hope some one can answer this I have not found an answer yet thanks for your time
1) Did Lucifer had free will to decide to rebel against God?
2) Or did God created Satan just for the purpose of trying to find the true humans who love him and will worship for eternity?
3) Is the "corrupted world" the "trials of Satan" are the way to determine what humans will receive salvation in their heart and will go to heaven with God and what humans will go to hell?
4) If God is all knowing and all powerful Why not create only the first group of humans and not the second so in this case there is no need to send most of mankind to hell?
By this very idea I believe that the future introduction of aliens will really just be the introduction of fallen angels.
Is it possible that Satan got fed up? Even people with power and money end up killing themselves or are depressed.
You Are Correct. 4 Years My Fallen Brother's Rise. 8 Years From Now My Main Brother you know As Lucifer Comes with His Army into Eden.
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@@sheezy3962 No, He Wants Still To Take Our Father's Place. This final War in 8 Years sets battle for the last Holy War of This Realm.
Cheers Champion.
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Since they began declassifying UFO stuff since the 1950’s.... how much longer would you reckon we have before things start “heating up”? so to speak
Yes I think so aswell,
Loving it Frank!!!!
ALL TO HIS GLORY OF OUR ELOHIM GOD on the MOST HIGH!!
What does Elohim mean though? Was it ever... plural, grammatically?
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Elohim is just god...
thats why i said Elohim Our God on the Most High!
Yahweh Elohim
Praise 上帝 Shang Di in the highest heaven
@@billbag3 ancient Hebrew texts state Elohim as a plural term for gods, even if you Google it it'll say god, but written a little smaller underneath it says plural, so what is it my boi?
Creation & fall of the angels. Mystical City of God by Mary of Agreda
82. Of the earth Moses says, that it was void, which he does not say of the heavens; for God had created the angels at the instant indicated by the word of Moses:
“God said: Let there be light, and light was made.” He speaks here not only of material light, but also of the intellectual or angelic lights. He does not make express mention of them, but merely includes them in this word, on account of the proclivity of the Hebrews to attribute Divinity to new things, even of much greater inferiority than the angels. But the metaphor of light was very appropriate to signify the angelic nature and mystically, the light of their science and grace, with which they were endowed at their creation. God created the earth conjointly with the heavens, in order to call into existence hell in its centre; for, at the instant of its creation, there were left in the interior of that globe spacious and wide cavities, suitable for hell, purgatory and limbo. And in hell was created at the same time material fire and other requisites, which now serve for the punishment of the damned. The Lord was presently to divide the light from the darkness and to call the light day and the darkness night. And this did happen not only in regard to the natural night and day, but in regard to the good and bad angels; for to the good, He gave the eternal light of his vision and called it day, the eternal day; and to the bad, the night of sin, casting them into the eternal darkness of hell. Thus we were to be taught the intimate relation between the merciful liberality of the Creator and Vivifier and the justice of the most just Judge in punishment.
83. The angels were created in the empyrean heavens and in the state of grace by which they might be first to merit the reward of glory. For although they were in the midst of glory, the Divinity itself was not to be made manifest to them face to face and unveiled, until they should have merited such a favor by obeying the divine will. The holy angels, as well as the bad ones, remained only a very short time in the state of probation; for their creation and probation with its result were three distinct instants or moments, separated by short intermissions. In the first instant they were all created and endowed with graces and gifts, coming into existence as most beautiful and perfect creatures. Then followed a short pause, during which the will of the Creator was propounded and intimated, and the law and command was given them, to acknowledge Him as their Maker and supreme Lord, and to fulfill the end for which they had been created. During this pause, instant or interval, Saint Michael and his angels fought that great battle with the dragon and his followers, which is described by the apostle Saint John in the twelfth chapter of the Apocalypse. The good angels, persevering in grace, merited eternal happiness and the disobedient ones, rebelling against God, merited the punishment, which they now suffer.
84. Although all this of the second instant could have happened in a very brief time on account of the subtle nature of the angels and the power of God, nevertheless I understood, that the kind consideration of the Most High permitted a certain delay. With the interposition of some intervals of time, He proposed to them the good and the bad, truth and falsehood, justice and injustice, divine grace and friendship as opposed to sin and enmity of God. They were enabled to see eternal reward and eternal punishment, the perdition of Lucifer and of those that would follow him. His Majesty showed them hell and its pains. They saw it all; for, by virtue of their superior and excellent nature, they understood the essence of other more qualified and limited creatures; so that, before falling from grace, they were clearly aware of the place of their chastisement. Although they did not know in the same manner the reward of glory, they had of it other knowledge and besides they had the manifest and express promise of the Lord The Most High had therefore justified his cause and proceeded with the greatest equity and justice. But as all this goodness and equity did not suffice to restrain Lucifer and his followers, they were chastised in their stubbornness and hurled into the depths of the hellish caverns, while the good angels were confirmed in eternal grace and glory. All this was consummated in the third instant, and thus it became truly manifest that no being outside of God himself is impeccable by nature, since the angel, who held such an exalted position and was adorned with so many great gifts of knowledge and grace, nevertheless sinned and was lost. What will become of human frailty, if the divine power does not defend it and if it forces God to forsake it?
85. It remains to investigate the motive, which urged Lucifer and his confederates to sin and what was the occasion of their disobedience and fall, for this is the point to which I wanted to come. In regard to this, it was made known to me that they could commit many sins as far as the guilt of sin (secundum reatum) is concerned, although they did not consummate them in acts. However, on account of those which they did actually commit freely and of their own depraved will, they acquired the disposition to all bad acts, inducing others to commit and approving in others those sins, which they could not commit themselves. Following the bad inclinations which from that time on filled Lucifer, he fell into a most disorderly self-love, which arose from the consciousness of being endowed with greater gifts and greater beauty of nature and grace, than the other inferior angels. He tarried with inordinate pleasure in this consciousness; and thus self-satisfied he became lax and remiss in the gratitude, which was due to God as the sole cause of all that he had received. Turning again and again in admiration toward himself, he took pleasure in his own beauty and grace, attributing them to himself and loving them as his own. This disorderly self-love not only caused him to exalt himself on account of the superior virtues, which he had received, but also induced him to harbor envy and covetousness for other gifts and for excellences not his own. Then, because he could not attain them, he conceived a mortal hatred and indignation against God, who created him out of nothing, and against all his creatures.
86. Hence arose his disobedience, presumption, injustice, infidelity, blasphemy, and perhaps also a certain kind of idolatry, for he coveted for himself the adoration and reverence due to God. He blasphemed the divine magnificence and holiness, he failed in the trust and loyalty due to Him; he plotted to destroy all the creatures, and presumed to be able to do all this and much more by his own power. Thus his pride ascends continually (Ps. 73, 23) and perseveres, though his arrogance is greater than his strength, for in this he cannot increase (Is. 16, 6) and in sin, one abyss calls the other (Ps. 14, 8). The first angel who sinned was Lucifer, as is described in the fourteenth chapter of Isaias. He induced others to follow him and therefore he is called the prince of the demons; not on account of his natural gifts, for these would not secure to him that title, but on account of his guilt. Those that sinned were not all of one order or hierarchy, but among all hierarchies there were many who sinned.
May God’s peace, mercy, and blessing be upon you, my beloved reader 😊.
I am inviting you to worship who created this universe and to see the evidence that proves the existence of him Almighty.
make sure that I am not fighting you. I am helping you in your research for the true Creator.
Our creator has put scientific, linguistic, metaphysical, and historical miracles in his book( the Holy Quran) that has sent down more than 1400 years ago to make people certain that this book is from a mighty powerful God...
Our creator has put a challenge for all non-believers to make one chapter like the Quran which has 114 chapters with this perfection, arrangement, metaphysical miracles, eloquence, splendor, wise legislation, true information, true prophecy, beauty, scientific miracles, and other thousands of miracles. along with history, all the attempts have failed.
The scientific miracles include The chemical composition of the human ( the clay ), the expansion of the universe, the knocking star, the origin of the universe, the orbits, the movements of the sun and the earth, the rotation of the earth, the stage of development of the only type of clouds that produce hail, the mountain as pegs, the vision in the deep seas, the variation of the amount of the air along the sky, the front of the head function, the chronological comparisons of developments of the fetus ( the bones, the body, the hearing, and the vision), the stage of the developments of the zygote, the only pain receptors, the factor that determines gender ( the sperm ), The secretion of the digestive fluid in the fly, the fertilizing winds, the mechanism of secretion of the milk, and the forbidden type of breeding ( between relatives ).
You can study them by Yourself to be persuaded.
Surely, you have questions. send them to me.
But before doing anything, raise your hand and ask your creator to help you, to guide you, to forgive you, to enter you the heaven, and to save you from the fire.
I hope you do what I asked for and accept Islam.
Thanks❤️ ...
Absolutely a great question. This type of question indicates a desire to know as opposed to mock.
Yesss
The answer should be “I do not know about that” great question
This was actually a good question. And she is really is curious.
Why doesn't God answer her questions? Why leave it to this miserable little man!!
@@ronwhitehouse23 wow dude shill out no ones angry
@@ronwhitehouse23 since you wanna come out with all this negativity, you should just log off at this point. No one need/want to hear negative things like that
Lucifer was his name at the time he only became Satan which mean's The Adversary or Satan , when the sin of pride and arrogance rose up in him. Satan sold the seeds of discontent among the 3rd part of the Angels in Heaven. Lucifer was closer to GOD'S Throne. In Isaiah he was called the son of the morning Lucifer had influence among the other Angels with Him being probably an Archangel. So Lucifer sin was this His first mistake was he got caught up in his own pride. Lucifer wanted to be like GOD. 5 times Lucifer said I want to be like GOD or sit in the Congregation on High or sit upon the Heights of Heaven , and sit and be lifted up like GOD on his Throne. Lucifer was a created angel being GOD created to serve Him. But Lucifer didn't want to serve GOD anymore so he went about sowing the seeds of discontent with the other angels claiming that GOD was unjust. And the 3rd part of the Angels followed Lucifer to try to take GOD'S Throne from Him which was a mistake they didn't have a chance GOD knew what Lucifer was planning but Lucifer thought that GOD wasn't watching you see how He underestimated His Creator just like man today underestimate GOD'S power and Authority GOD sees all , His eyes are like a Flame of Fire so then there was war in Heaven. The Archangel Michael and his angels battled Satan and his Angels , and there wasn't any place found for Satan and his angels so GOD cast them out of Heaven into this Earthly Realm where they are causing men to disobey GOD too !those that was cast out of Heaven excercised there freewill to disobey GOD and they are in chains of darkness going to and fro throughout the land seeking whom they may devour and there main purposes is this to steal , to kill , and to destroy. Because they know there fate. They know they have but a short time to do there evil. And many are caught up in the evil. So Satan influences men to do evil and to also Commit Blasphemy against GOD'S HOLY NAME. That is the sin of pride , and that's why GOD hates pride so much , because GOD said Himself that Pride goes before destruction , and a Haughty Spirit before a fall.
Your point? This is the goofiest as well as the longest evasion of the question that I have ever read outside of divinity school. All you do is assert that he sinned and then you repeat the old tale of what happened afterward. The question is why and how Lucifer could have sinned while in the state of beatific vision of God (Heaven, God's presence). Sin in Heaven? I don't think so.
HOW COULD he sow it, if they had NO doubts, or dissatisfaction?
@@juanvelez8564 i explained this in my reply see if you agee
Juan Vélez uhmm... free will.
Lucifer is not satan’s name. It just means “light bringing” or “morning star,Venus”. We don’t actually know the devils name.
It has to due with perfection and keeping the image of it. The devil wanted to be prefect at all costs and as a result he ended up twisting the truth to fit his reality of being perfect. That is what caused him to lose his mind and wanting to be like God and is what brought his pride which is what caused him to downfall. That is why God loves us regardless of our imperfections because if we tried to strive to be completely perfect without acknowledging our mistakes and flaws it would cause us to become insane and it would cause us to have pride in ourselves because we would see ourselves as being perfect without God and we would just be making the same mistakes as the devil did.
Good points mentioned
@@gregoryrousseau5155 not a single good point mentioned
With complex questions like these one is likely to reach one of two outcomes:
1. Frustration
or
2. Acceptance
Considering the love and promises of God, I choose acceptance.
Q How could Satan have sinned when he was in Heaven?
My A No one is perfect but God
Sorry but that’s incorrect. The angels are aware of sin but are unaffected by it. The Bible says “Lucifer thou wast perfect at the day I created thee”
Any imperfection in a creation comes from the creator if there is no other external source. If god is perfect , he could only create what is perfect, and the perfect beings he creates would be incapable of behaving imperfectly, as this would go against the definition of “perfect”.
Ergo, either god is not perfect, or he is not the only source.
@@margaretbarrett6087 well you are not God and can not know the extent of his power. You and I think with our human brain. We have no concept past the physical realm
@@margaretbarrett6087 or having free will is within the definition of perfection as "perfect" is opinionative based off perspective and even possibly one's wisdom.
He wanted power
Think about this, I guess some in here already stated this. Fallen angel satan does not have Salvation because HE sinned knowingly being in Heaven the very presence of GOD. We are shown Grace & Mercy & the Salvation is for us because Eve was deceived by satan. We were all deceived & also we were not in Heaven when the sin was committed but on the earth.
GOD knew the possibility of sin when HE created Adam & Eve because satan had already sinned & he is the adversary. That is why GOD wanted them to guard the garden but they did not have a clue what GOD was referring to. They could have said no to serpent but they didn't. They were deceived by serpent.
GOD is Love, HIS Love is unconditional & HE is so Good. I love HIM not because if I don't or accept JESUS CHRIST that I might end up in hell but the main reason is this, HE Loves me so much, John 3:16 - GOD so Loved the World that HE sent HIS Son for us into this World so that we may not perish but have Eternal Life through HIS Son LORD JESUS CHRIST.
If HE can empty HIMSELF of HIS Heavenly Glory to come down in the form of a servant & take my punishment since GOD is Righteous & Holy , this is a must. Holy means nothing unholy can stand in HIS presence & survive. I should be really out of my mind to say No to this Free Gift of Salvation from GOD
Thank you LORD for your Amazing Grace & Love for me which I honestly do not deserve one bit.
All Glory, Praise & Honor be to your Holy Name. Amen
Hey so sometimes (most of the time) I feel like I am a Christian because I am scared of hell. I’m really new to being a Christian. And actually I’m not sure if I even am, or if god is just calling me. So how on earth could I change the reason to be with god??
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Greetings to you in the Name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST.
The fact that you are talking about GOD's calling or if you are even a Christian proves that GOD loves you & wants you to be Saved if you have not yet been Saved.
Salvation is very expensive that no one can pay for it, but at the same time it is a 'Free Gift' of GOD Almighty to us through HIS Son our LORD JESUS CHRIST. Only GOD could have paid for our sin problem which separates us from GOD.
Remember this, there will be people out there who would scare you that you would go to hell if you don't do this or that.
Ephesians 2:5-9 (You are Saved by Grace of GOD through Faith, this is a free Gift from GOD lest anyone should boast that they were Saved bcos they did this or that. It is purely bcos of Grace through Faith in the Finished Redemptive work of our LORD & Savior JESUS CHRIST)
Philippians 2:6-8 (This explains why & how JESUS came down from Heaven to Save us)
Read Acts 16:25-32 (In Philippi, a jailer asks Apostle Paul & Silas that what they should do to get Saved? Look at the answer he was given. 'Believe in the LORD JESUS, you & your household will be Saved') He was not told 'can be Saved', but will be Saved bcos it is a Promise from GOD the Father Almighty.
This is the Promise, John 3:16 (GOD so Loved the world that HE sent HIS Only Son that whosoever believes in HIS Son LORD JESUS CHRIST will have Eternal Life)
Salvation is simple & plain to understand, but people out there who care for only money do not care about people's Soul.
All you have to do is this: Repent of our sins & ask forgiveness for the sins you have committed, we all have done so many sins & we may not remember all of it, well that is fine. You just have to ask for forgiveness & then believe that LORD JESUS died for your sins & took your punishment on the tree (cross) & rose again from the dead & now HE is seated at the Right hand of GOD the father Father Almighty & is interceding for you & me since HE is our Mediator.
Once you repent, ask for forgiveness & believe in the finished redemptive of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, HE immediately cleanses you with HIS Precious Blood of your sins & makes sure spirit as pure as snow that is to say HE makes clean & Holy.
Since you have put your Faith in JESUS, HE will impute HIS Righteousness on to you & you are in no time called as Righteous not bcos of you did something, but Remember Salvation is a 'Free Gift' from GOD so HE makes you & calls you as Righteous, all bcos of your trust in HIS Son JESUS CHRIST.
Then immediately you are sealed unto the day of Redemption by the Holy Spirit of GOD. The Holy Spirit of GOD gives you the assurance & confirmation in your heart that you have been Saves by the Blood of the Lamb referring to LORD JESUS CHRIST as HE is the Lamb of GOD who takes away the sin of the world.
Also the Holy Spirit of GOD will give you the assurance & confirmation you are a child of GOD Almighty & enables you to call GOD Almighty as Father.
Holy Spirit then teaches you the GOD's Word from the Bible.
To be Saved, to be made Righteous, to have the Holy Spirit indwelling on the inside of you, you don't have to do anything, bit believe in the LORD JESUS CHRIST as your LORD & Savior.
1 John 5:10-13 (Says if you have the Son, you have Eternal Life bcos the Eternal Life is in HIS Son our LORD JESUS CHRIST - The Holy Spirit of GOD gives you the Witness for it, how amazing this is)
Also read 1 John 4:9-10, 14 (GOD the Father Almighty showed us HIS Love by sending HIS Son JESUS for us & to die for us as the Propitiation for our sins.......GOD Almighty sent HIS Son JESUS as the 'Savior of the World'......)
1 John 3:1 ( Privilege of being called as the Children of GOD)
1 John 3:5 (HE came to bear our sins & cleanse us...)
1 John 2:1-2 (Pls read this, it says JESUS CHRIST is the Mediator who intercedes for us & then HE is called as the Propitiation of our sins not only ours, but of the sins of the world.....)
1 John 2:12 (Bcos of HIS Name, our sins have been forgiven.......)
1 John 2:27 (GOD has anointed us with HIS Holy Spirit & HE teaches us everything........)
1 John 2:7, 9 (When we confess our sins, it will be forgiven......)
Galatians 2:20 (.....We live for CHRIST..........)
You can have a relationship with GOD Almighty through HIS Son our LORD JESUS CHRIST. Once you believe in JESUS CHRIST, you have Eternal life already as that Eternal Life is in JESUS CHRIST.
Glory & praise be to GOD Almighty & you are blessed.
Rudolph Valentine thank you so much! See I try to believe that. And I think that I do, but there’s always been a part of me that doubts everything. And I don’t know if I should listen to it and get help because maybe I’m actually not saved, or if I should ignore that voice of doubt and keep going on. If that makes sense? And thank you so much for those great verses!
@@Jrjejhbfh I think you should keep going. Im not sure if I'm saved,but we have to put our trust in God. Satan wants us to think that we are not saved by grace. We cant see what is happening in the spirit world. You might don't feel saved but maybe it's not a feeling. We can't see the spiritual world but we have to keep going and trust in God:)
Dievo vaikas okay thank u;)))))
That point about God creating distance in order that love be pure and true and real is so profound. What a great question and answer.
There’s free will in heaven, but everyone is so repentant they stay in heaven. Except satan and his fallen
Colm Whateveryoulike - if you lose your repentance in heaven you would lose your obedience... and that would cause God to want to be apart from you... because you would be chooosing to be apart from Him!!
My thinking is the reason why there won’t be sin in heaven is because we will follow God. We all are painfully aware of this life and what not following God brings. And in following God, we are told we will all forget this life, because the next one will be full of so much rest and be that much better.
God is more loving than people realize 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
You mean than Spanish, medieval Jews, being tortured, on say so of many fairly senior priests, ah, realized, @ThugDoctor8 ?
And what was to happen to gay people again? 'Specially after Matthew 5:18?
@@chrissonofpear1384 lol what???
@@thugdoctor8461 Some medieval Catholic and other church history may be VERY USEFUL for you to read, at this point.
Also, if this God CAN intervene, and give very clear opinions and instructions, in Numbers 15:32, for the life and death of ONE man, then why can He NOT do such a thing, on much larger scales, for the persecution or safety, of the people I mention above?
Schisms, wars, pogroms, Inquisitions, and all. Or the suddenly widespread pro slavery arguments, even appealing to some verses.
@@chrissonofpear1384
When people go into things with bias and no desire to put genuine thought into them, they'll get conclusions like the one you just posted. But I understand, because theist HUMANS have given religion a bad name. So if you'll stick around for a quick read, I want to challenge your philosophy AND that of Christians - starting with a message from God you've probably been waiting years to hear a Christian express..
"The one who still believes in eternal hell is currently working through one of their own..." - God, Am, 2021
God and Jesus are not unforgiving and lazy like us judges and jailers. They will WORK with us. And they don't care if you believe in these human stories or idolize the prophets that spoke of and acted in their name. They just want you to be able to coexist with them and our perfect eternal lucid dream - which nobody knows anything about except them.
God is your unconscious: simply has been, is, and will be again. Am is those rare moments of ethereal peace not even a single thought can taint. Am is an enigma of infinite proportions. Am governs the logic of both land (Reality) and sea (Consciousness) at all times. Am also digests our food and keeps us breathing in our lake of fire - so don't think for a second that there's a single consciousness who ever was, ever is, or ever will be forgotten...
Jesus is your subconscious: the man with a plan (and a plan B, and a plan C, and a plan...) the guy who can handle both human thinking and divine thinking, the guy who keeps us on time and gives us memory and watches the road for our spoiled asses when we text and drive. In a nutshell, he's our guide through .. ourselves - and he wishes we'd at least put in effort to untangle our conscious from him so he can work with us full-time again just as it was when we were innocent children...
Sin is simply conscious thought. (Let's think about it, because we don't trust God enough to simply continue rowing the boat down the crystal clear stream of Life...) From there you get the knowledge of Good and Evil as well as free will. And from there you get what we commonly THINK is sin (immorality). And from there WE put ourselves and others in hell. Sin is a clusterfuck that NO human can avoid, especially those with past traumas. (If only a holy ghost could whisp our thoughts into a more stable .. yet kinda trippy place, and eventually take over altogether. It'd be quite educative and dreamy, no?)
Anyone who thinks this is as simple as believing in a God, a man, and a story is mistaken. That goes double for those who believe God responds to sin by torturing us. That's all primitive, dopamine-based thinking and it's time we move past it into something more wise. Seek God's wisdom, not that which these false prophets spew from their confused place; have empathy and think DEEPER so the holy ghost can guide your minds and show you that only YOU can make the devil in the mirror dissappear...
This isn't a medival fairytale and this isn't a sadistic SAW trap. This is REALITY, CONSCIOUSNESS, GOD!!! Blessed is the one who keeps the word of GOD's prophecy and heads towards the growing light that is our eternal dream; tormented are those who keep the lies of man and remain put in this growing lake of fire that we call a Universe, exploiting its pleasures and ignoring that it already ended before it stated!!! Trust me, things are about to get emotional and weird for those who choose to stay as the beast comes onto the scene and turns human life into a techno-mockery of Heaven. But in the end, we will ALL contribute in growing our lucid paradise and serve God by helping bring the next humanity into it - for God is happier seeing that 1 sheep who strayed for a thousand years return than Am is seeing the 99 stay put, and one day we too will share in that feeling... 👁
Take care and maybe I'll witness you sometime during the eternal dream. Maybe I'll even see you there tonight. Don't think about it too much on your own ;)
He creates life and then sends it to hell for all eternity...
Yep he’s sure loving the torture.
Lucifer's sin was 100% self generated. How he pulled that off and continued down that path? Only God knows.
Lucifer did not generate sin, as if it were a thing on its own. Sin is the result of something that is not of God, or goes against God. Just like darkness or "cold" cannot exist on its own, but are the result of the absence of light, or absence of heat.
I was told long ago it was because he became vain. Leading to the embodiment of the seven deadly sins and that's why we are warned so strongly about them.
@Valayar Checkpost Lies! Lucifer became Satan. All satan means is adversary. God created Lucifer, lucifer fell and became Satan.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
@Valayar Checkpost how an earth would you know this?
It's in Ezekiel's vision of God that the angels and God are of different firmament. Angels are very well aware of God's existence but there's a separation between them. In that way free will can be practiced,so Frank Turek's explanation is inline with the Bible
Pinkypie Yep, right on. Theres a science to it, many think angels are on equal plain to God but they are below. they are created just like us, more similar to us than to God himself.
@@ricoparadiso I actually thought that angels are with God until i saw a video about ezekiel's vision of God. You said there's a science to it, can you tell me about it?
And what this to do with two humans, with limited knowledge of their descendants?
Who thought, perhaps, at most, the TWO of them would die?
@@chrissonofpear1384 and what makes your opinion related to my comment
I mean, about Adam and Eve, and what they did or didn't know of larger stakes...
there are some things we as humans will never be able to comprehend even if God did explain it to us, because our mind is so simple to the complex of his thinking and reasoning, that's why trust is one of the most important things when following Jesus Christ!
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
A picture or reflection is an image, to be like somebody is reflected in who you are, now knowing evil do you want to be engaged in it, or do you want to focus on the Love of Christ, and do good regardless of the evil you know of.
The word “Christian” actually means “being like Christ”
1 Peter 3:8-11
Isaiah 43:13
John 10:28-29
Some people just have problems with the sentence "i dont know".. like why are you just making rubbish up because you feel obligated to answer a question. this is a disgrace
I really like Frank’s content, however, I’m not quite sure I agree with the premise. The bigger question would be, SINCE God knew that satan would sin, why would He still choose to create him? Ultimately, it is for His own glory. Everything through Christ is subject to Him. Our minds, heart, and wills. Nothing happens without it ultimately being willed by the Father. That’s what it means to be sovereign; and He is truly sovereign.
I believe He wanted to allow for Satan to sin so that there would be good versus evil so that people truly have to make a choice on what they believe in and how they live their life
Due to how reality is so ordained by spiritual laws, even evil itself ultimately serves the greater good, since works of evil prove themselves to always be unfruitful, proving that only good can flourish. God is letting Satan's plan unfold as a demonstration to all of creation, which will prove how the law of God is perfect and good and that anything done without God is doomed for destruction.
My thought is that, even tho God already knew what was going to happen, its because he know that Lucifer disagree with him and does not want to follow him because of that.. he knew Lucifer wants his freedom of choice. Because God is so perfect, he is not a selfish God. God respected Lucifer's choice that he is gonna sin. If his children choose to do something even tho it is not right, He lets them do it and then correct them so that they will know what is right. You don't really understand what is right unless you sin first then God corrects you. And you wont really know God's greatness if he can't show that to you contrasting light and evil. This is just my personal thought tho.
Santana Reyes Because God created Satan, the waster, to destroy. Satan cannot help but carry out the function for which he was created. God is in charge and he is sovereign.
She's asking all the rational questions. He seems to be making it up as he goes along.
It's best to tell her he doesn't know the answer.
Or go hard and tell her the truth. God creates evil and that is what exactly the Bible saids
Lucifer was never in heaven when he sin, he was god on earth he had a kingdom on EARTH in THE GARDEN OF EDEN and he had kingdoms, kings and nations under him, angels has the right to move around in heaven and around the stars and on earth if they want to, have a free will, Lucifer could visit heaven at times, he had musical instruments build into his body, and he would play the music to God in heaven that he received from the nations on earth, he was also in contact with the angels in heaven,
there was war Lucifer and his angels made was with Michael and his angels, and Lucifer lost he was cast out of heaven onto the earth as satan, this happened before Adam and the woman, the angels that was cast out was bound in everlasting chains in darkness inside earth until the day of judgement, the angels that left heaven to marry woman on earth was also cast down into darkness everlasting chains until the day of judgement, so please do not tell me fallen angels became evil spirits or demons, the writings in Revelation is an account of what happened to satan when he made war with Michael and his angels, this refers to the time of Lucifers fall from heaven and became satan, BEFORE Adam and the woman,
God cannot create a mess when He speaks things into existence, so what happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 Genesis 1:1 God created heave and earth 1:2 everything a mess???
Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High
Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isaiah 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Ezekiel 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Part of the reason why we are here is to deal with the sin issue. Having participated in it, bound and afflicted by it. Then delivered and reedemed from it, by our Glorious and wonderful Saviour, who paid a very real price for it, which I for one can barely continplate. One would hope to believe that that's a total end of it.
He knew who was going to be a part of his kingdom before the foundation of the world... so my last part of what I wrote.. when I said “if we follow him” (making it seem as if we have a choice)
Jesus knows his sheep... and he won’t let any go astray.. (John 10) he is the good Shepard.. he knows who is going to be in his kingdom.. before we were born.. before the foundation of the world..
God chooses us, we don’t choose him...(this is a verse too) we’re witnesses...
So no free will
Yes we are.
Yeah the first heaven was a rough place, but the second one is gonna be a real banger! He didn't even touch the most crucial aspects of those questions.
Very tough questions to answer...even by way of using scripture! I give him a lot of credit for tackling them.
Lawrence Fitzgerald not really if you pay attention how you read.
CashtonGray That's what you should be doing when you have a spiritual question
Her questions actually exposed the ridiculousness of some of Christianity's doctrines.
I think asking the Holy spirit is worthwhile in these types of questions, as even though it may not be in scripture, God will put a vision or an answer into your mind. The more you spend time with God and trust in him he will reveal precisely the information needed. Always trust God to provide through the holy spirit I say. 🕊
@@keithmarlowe5569 or perhaps the OT does say, but to reveal what it actually says about Satan would be to undermine Christianity's doctrine, and that wouldn't be so great for Christianity, would it?
There is alot of things that we'll never know the answers... Glory be to God Amen
And don't ask either
Like what does one DO in Heaven? Any work? or is it one vast Retirement Home? Billions of lazy shameless people sponging off God for eternity like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders do down here
Or what about our loved ones down on earth? If I am the breadwinner and I am dead, is my little child starving? Homeless?
Don't care anymore right?
I just love all these videos.
It's very profound for the times.
If people are unbiasedly seeking truth, it will lead them to Christ.
I saw frank a year ago hes the same guy as you see and i asked two hard questions and he answered with the same kindness and wisdom as you see him? Keepup the good work frank turek
I know i feel I5 , I'm 51 lol
Interesting way to put that. Also I’m thinking sinning is a lot more like purposely ignoring a map and getting lost. If God gave us no direction or laws or standards of righteousness to chose to follow then there would be no “sin”. It is our free will to reject what is good and whatever imaginations we come up with away from God’s direction that are sin. In a sense we were given the ability to create sin and WE create sin.
Hope some one can answer this I have not found an answer yet thanks for your time
1) Did Lucifer had free will to decide to rebel against God?
2) Or did God created Satan just for the purpose of trying to find the true humans who love him and will worship for eternity?
3) Is the "corrupted world" the "trials of Satan" the way to determine what humans will receive salvation in their heart and will go to heaven with God and what humans will go to hell?
4) If God is all knowing and all powerful Why not create only the first group of humans that will get salvation and not the second so in this there is no need to send most of mankind to hell?
How ? Satan sinned by *choice.*
His freedom to *choose* caused him to *lose* and be *removed* from heaven.Likewise for you and me.The one thing Satan did not have was *faith* in God.What about *you?*
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Great answer in simple terms
Creation & fall of the angels. Mystical City of God by Mary of Agreda
82. Of the earth Moses says, that it was void, which he does not say of the heavens; for God had created the angels at the instant indicated by the word of Moses:
“God said: Let there be light, and light was made.” He speaks here not only of material light, but also of the intellectual or angelic lights. He does not make express mention of them, but merely includes them in this word, on account of the proclivity of the Hebrews to attribute Divinity to new things, even of much greater inferiority than the angels. But the metaphor of light was very appropriate to signify the angelic nature and mystically, the light of their science and grace, with which they were endowed at their creation. God created the earth conjointly with the heavens, in order to call into existence hell in its centre; for, at the instant of its creation, there were left in the interior of that globe spacious and wide cavities, suitable for hell, purgatory and limbo. And in hell was created at the same time material fire and other requisites, which now serve for the punishment of the damned. The Lord was presently to divide the light from the darkness and to call the light day and the darkness night. And this did happen not only in regard to the natural night and day, but in regard to the good and bad angels; for to the good, He gave the eternal light of his vision and called it day, the eternal day; and to the bad, the night of sin, casting them into the eternal darkness of hell. Thus we were to be taught the intimate relation between the merciful liberality of the Creator and Vivifier and the justice of the most just Judge in punishment.
83. The angels were created in the empyrean heavens and in the state of grace by which they might be first to merit the reward of glory. For although they were in the midst of glory, the Divinity itself was not to be made manifest to them face to face and unveiled, until they should have merited such a favor by obeying the divine will. The holy angels, as well as the bad ones, remained only a very short time in the state of probation; for their creation and probation with its result were three distinct instants or moments, separated by short intermissions. In the first instant they were all created and endowed with graces and gifts, coming into existence as most beautiful and perfect creatures. Then followed a short pause, during which the will of the Creator was propounded and intimated, and the law and command was given them, to acknowledge Him as their Maker and supreme Lord, and to fulfill the end for which they had been created. During this pause, instant or interval, Saint Michael and his angels fought that great battle with the dragon and his followers, which is described by the apostle Saint John in the twelfth chapter of the Apocalypse. The good angels, persevering in grace, merited eternal happiness and the disobedient ones, rebelling against God, merited the punishment, which they now suffer.
84. Although all this of the second instant could have happened in a very brief time on account of the subtle nature of the angels and the power of God, nevertheless I understood, that the kind consideration of the Most High permitted a certain delay. With the interposition of some intervals of time, He proposed to them the good and the bad, truth and falsehood, justice and injustice, divine grace and friendship as opposed to sin and enmity of God. They were enabled to see eternal reward and eternal punishment, the perdition of Lucifer and of those that would follow him. His Majesty showed them hell and its pains. They saw it all; for, by virtue of their superior and excellent nature, they understood the essence of other more qualified and limited creatures; so that, before falling from grace, they were clearly aware of the place of their chastisement. Although they did not know in the same manner the reward of glory, they had of it other knowledge and besides they had the manifest and express promise of the Lord The Most High had therefore justified his cause and proceeded with the greatest equity and justice. But as all this goodness and equity did not suffice to restrain Lucifer and his followers, they were chastised in their stubbornness and hurled into the depths of the hellish caverns, while the good angels were confirmed in eternal grace and glory. All this was consummated in the third instant, and thus it became truly manifest that no being outside of God himself is impeccable by nature, since the angel, who held such an exalted position and was adorned with so many great gifts of knowledge and grace, nevertheless sinned and was lost. What will become of human frailty, if the divine power does not defend it and if it forces God to forsake it?
85. It remains to investigate the motive, which urged Lucifer and his confederates to sin and what was the occasion of their disobedience and fall, for this is the point to which I wanted to come. In regard to this, it was made known to me that they could commit many sins as far as the guilt of sin (secundum reatum) is concerned, although they did not consummate them in acts. However, on account of those which they did actually commit freely and of their own depraved will, they acquired the disposition to all bad acts, inducing others to commit and approving in others those sins, which they could not commit themselves. Following the bad inclinations which from that time on filled Lucifer, he fell into a most disorderly self-love, which arose from the consciousness of being endowed with greater gifts and greater beauty of nature and grace, than the other inferior angels. He tarried with inordinate pleasure in this consciousness; and thus self-satisfied he became lax and remiss in the gratitude, which was due to God as the sole cause of all that he had received. Turning again and again in admiration toward himself, he took pleasure in his own beauty and grace, attributing them to himself and loving them as his own. This disorderly self-love not only caused him to exalt himself on account of the superior virtues, which he had received, but also induced him to harbor envy and covetousness for other gifts and for excellences not his own. Then, because he could not attain them, he conceived a mortal hatred and indignation against God, who created him out of nothing, and against all his creatures.
86. Hence arose his disobedience, presumption, injustice, infidelity, blasphemy, and perhaps also a certain kind of idolatry, for he coveted for himself the adoration and reverence due to God. He blasphemed the divine magnificence and holiness, he failed in the trust and loyalty due to Him; he plotted to destroy all the creatures, and presumed to be able to do all this and much more by his own power. Thus his pride ascends continually (Ps. 73, 23) and perseveres, though his arrogance is greater than his strength, for in this he cannot increase (Is. 16, 6) and in sin, one abyss calls the other (Ps. 14, 8). The first angel who sinned was Lucifer, as is described in the fourteenth chapter of Isaias. He induced others to follow him and therefore he is called the prince of the demons; not on account of his natural gifts, for these would not secure to him that title, but on account of his guilt. Those that sinned were not all of one order or hierarchy, but among all hierarchies there were many who sinned.
So, can we chose to sin in heaven? If not are we mindless robots?
Satan was created by this God. By definition, he never had a choice anyways.
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It amazes me how so many have never thought about this question. I thought of this question when I first learned of Satan's fall
Hope some one can answer this I have not found an answer yet thanks for your time
1) Did Lucifer had free will to decide to rebel against God?
2) Or did God created Satan just for the purpose of trying to find the true humans who love him and will worship for eternity?
3) Is the "corrupted world" the "trials of Satan" the way to determine what humans will receive salvation in their heart and will go to heaven with God and what humans will go to hell?
4) If God is all knowing and all powerful Why not create only the first group of humans that will get salvation and not the second so in this there is no need to send most of mankind to hell?
@@a.39886 I will answer your last question. God already knew us before we existed, for He is timeless. God does not intervene in our free will, not even before creating someone, knowing they will sin. Even then, throughout that person's life, God will let things play out and offer that person chances of repentance. God's foreknowledge does not impact our free will, because regardless if He knew or not, we would have made those choices anyway. In God's eyes, we are all individual creatures who deserve to make our own choices, and He respects that.
@@nixiontm if God free to not create or is he force to create everyone?
can he create just a certain group meaning God has the foreknowledge for creating only the ones that will repent?
> Many people, attempting to show atheism to be “intellectual,” have even claimed that Albert Einstein was an atheist! However, the brilliant scientist said the exact opposite.
Einstein said, “In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is when they quote me for support of such views.” Nuff said!
Where u find that? ''"""
He was a pretty staunch atheist, but I'd love to know exactly where you found that quote. "I do not believe in a personal God and have never denied this."- an actual citable quote from a letter the dude himself wrote
@@lickmypickle922 I am also curious.
Pretty simple. It's the love of God that made evil to exist.
Forcing someone to love you isn't love, it's evil. Free will is beyond love.
With all due respect, did you watch the video?
You just acknowledged free will exists. So your own argument just defeated itself
That's why God gave free will.
@@GCasva That’s an ultimatum not free will
For those believers who are anxious with finding answers to such questions, do not let it ruin the peace the Lord Jesus has given us. Not knowing all the answers to the hidden mysteries here on earth or on heaven is not a sin. The confusions and questions that are directly associated with the Bible and the Gospel of Christ however, is the real deal.
Gospel of Christ is Fiction full of contradictions.
@@lutkedog1 If it is, why did it made me a better person? I was a person who easily gets irritated before, dishonoring my parents and very proud. But not anymore. I am now filled with love, which is the whole point of the Bible. I don't think it is a fiction mate.
@@yangruflo8534
Brain Washing
True enough, God is omniscient and knows all the choices we are going to make (good and evil) as creatures exercising free will but He doesn't interfere.
God's ambition isn't to be a puppet master.
It seems to me the unbelievers want the gift of freewill WITHOUT having to actually answer for any crimes they commit.
That's the real problem they have with God.....is that one day they will have to answer to Him. And they know intuitively He is a righteous judge.
@commander iceman
Well said
Exactly! They love sin too much so that is why they think God is forceful. Once you really get to know who God really is, you wouldnt even wanna go back to your old ways and you wouldnt even fear hell anymore because you know for yourself that He has redeemed you because He loves you and that He has set a promise for you and for all who just believe in Jesus! As simple as that. He came to die for US ALL. It's our choice wether to accept that FREE PERFECT GIFT. Why wouldnt you not accept it?
so why give free will and then punish eternally and so horribly for someone freely choosing???
See its all because for many people this has been taught to you from childhood so obviously difficult t o unlearn and the threat of hell makes people unable to reason.
Imagine I tell your daughter I love her so much and would even sacrifice all my property for her. But by the way if she doesn't believe me or love me back, then I will have her torched up? Its acceptable to you? dont you think its only the likes of Adolf Hitler and his vile henchmen who would love to see people burn in fire for eternity?
But a loving God ? ANyway will you trust someone who kills his child for any purpose however Good? Is God himself not supposed to be an example for us?So he chose Judas knowing very well hes going to do what he did, and then blame him? So Judas looks like he was used. Dont you think so? The whoel crucifiction was planned by his Dad above and yet Judas is blamed for being the hatchet man. If the crucifiction was a good thing for humanity why did Jesus say the soldiers should be forgiven for not knowing what hthey are doing? Were they really doing something bad? Isnt the crucifiction supposed to be a good thing that leads to salvation? so why should they be forgiven for playing thier part? Is it sinful to use your brains which obviously was made to undertke critical analysis? Does it add up? How and why did God create alll these religions to create all the conflicts? christians agains christians? Moslems against moslems???? wow!
@@alexkodwiw2640 You have the right path and the wromg path, what you decide is up to you.
@@breatheeasily4013 Right and wrong were decided for you long before your birth and they'll continue to change long after your passing. It's a complex world full of variables within each society, indoctrinated over thousands of years while adapting new circumstances, which were created by those who desire power of law in their favor.
Within theological circles ... if heaven is a state of perfection ... those that existed there ... couldn't sin. So the fault is always with the man-created stories. The "scribes" that did the writing, only pretended that they were receiving holy messages from the gods.
@@Timzy2Drip I also was raised in a religious culture, and totally confused about why those in religion couldn't get along. Religion does not unite humans, and truth, if it exists, should unite, rather than divide. If you don't ask questions of what you were taught, you will never be "able" to spot the lies.
@@Timzy2Drip The ex-con man “Catch Me if You Can,” Frank Abagnale, says that the two signs you are being conned, is that people desperately want your money, and they want your personal information. Now, that is religion, in a nutshell. The confessional was used to find out which sins you committed, so that you would be tied to the church forever, to keep on confessing those new sins, and meanwhile, the hierarchy was bleeding you of all your hard-earned money. If the religious word “sin,” was replaced with the non-religious word “behavior,” that thought would bring you back to earth with a thud, and you would no longer believe that a god existed, that was spying on you, to judge your every thought and deed. We should be taught that we are born whole, and that, concerning how we treat others, the onus is on us.
Rather than being a fictitious character in an anti-Semitic book labeled as being holy, had Jesus existed, Judaism would have been his only focus. The words Christian, and Christianity, would not exist. To suggest that a Jewish Rabbi would preach a doctrine foreign to, and offensive to Judaism, would be comparable to suggesting that the pope would willingly start a Protestant religion. It just would not happen.
@@Timzy2Drip From the book ... The Final Inequality, by L. J. Ludovici. "Morals at any given moment have always been as good, or as bad, as our imaginations credit them, for the morals (from the Latin, mores: customs) means simply customs, and they keep changing all the time in all the corners of the world."
Umm... what? The new heavens and new earth that Jesus has gone to prepare are described as having a gate around them that nothing unrighteous can enter through. No such characteristic of "perfection" is ever assigned in scripture to the heaven that Satan sinned in.
A mere mortal answering a spiritual sphere question as if they were physical there
The chances of us sinning in Heaven is the same as if God chose to sin because by that time we will be as He is, perfect like Christ! 1 John 3:2 says, "When he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."
Why not say, "I don't know. But from what I do know, I chose to trust in the LORD.?"
1 Peter 3:15, 1 Thessalonians 5:12
Exactly he gave an indirect answer that doesn't answer the question .
A question we all think about!! It’s important to ask and understand
The answer is pretty simple, God does everything out of Love Grace and Mercy. The only way it would have been possible is if God allowed it. And i believe this because he is All knowing so he knew exactly what would happen before and after. God always gives his creation The Freedom of Choice and Lucifer is proof of that, he had a chance to turn from his wickedness but he choose to be Rebellious.
So even by your logic god is evil because he created the fruit knowing man would eat it
freedom is having choice I’m puzzled on how god gave us freedom and don’t expect us to sin
Sin=turning away from the light, choosing one's own 'good' over the absolute good that comes from God.
No sir Sin is transgression of the law. Look it up.
@@ponderonit3816 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. (Letter of James, chapter 1)
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God. (Gospel of John, chapter 3)
When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." (Gospel of John, chapter 8)
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me..." (Gospel of John, chapter 14)
An important follow-up question would have been, if it is possible to have free will without sin in heaven, why couldn't God have done that the first time around? You are unknowingly putting a prerequisite on God's power by saying, well he had to do it this way because he had no other choice. If he had no other choice and this was the best option, why is he called omnipotent let alone good?
Adam Courtney you misunderstand the meaning of omnipotent. God is still confined to laws of logic.
It is not that God created sin in heaven. It’s that He allows there to be sin. Turek’s point is that we will be able to sin but won’t want to. Just like we don’t want to eat garbage, we still have the ability to eat it but choose not to.
@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou How do you define "sin"?
Think there’s lots of ways to define it that depend on the context. What is your question regarding it?
@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou Well, I've learned that it's impossible to ask meaningful questions without understanding what people mean. I agree with your implication that sin has many contexts. In your comment, did you mean sin as "not following God's word," or "not following the 10 commandments," or was it something else?
To love fully, completely, and perfectly in the agape sense, requires one to have the ability to choose to give such love- that is what makes love such a powerful gift. Absent of choice to serve and worship, people would be slaves, for a slave has no choice. God is love, and God knew that such love would require choice.
Ok, so where Did Satan/Devil before he fell from grace got the desire to sin, rebel against his creator God? There must be a logical and spiritual reason. Was there an external force influence him? I wonder.
The answer is in the al-Qur'an.
He didn't rebel. He did what he was created to do. He never fell.
I think that the best answer to this is the answer of Augustine: evil is just absence of good, or failure to guard God’s will.
God never created any being as a puppet in which He pulls all the strings and controls them.
I did, once:)
Yes he did , Jeremiah 1:5
Pharaoh of Egypt in Moses day Exodus 9:16 .
Read all of Romans 9 and you will see that God can do anything he wants to anyone he wants to bring about his Will.
When you come to the full knowledge of God's total control over everything , it brings great peace and rest.
As Jesus said , a Sparrow does not fall to the ground without your Father knowing about it .
@@Charlie-xp9lq Having full knowledge of something or knowing about something isn't the same as causing something to happen. The theology of determinism has already been shown to be unsustainable and unsupported by the totality of Scripture.
And this is exactly what the devil's perversion is. he wants to control his puppets because he's so desperate to be worshipped.
he and his followers are such losers!!
May God’s peace, mercy, and blessing be upon you, my beloved reader 😊.
I am inviting you to worship who created this universe and to see the evidence that proves the existence of him Almighty.
make sure that I am not fighting you. I am helping you in your research for the true Creator.
Our creator has put scientific, linguistic, metaphysical, and historical miracles in his book( the Holy Quran) that has sent down more than 1400 years ago to make people certain that this book is from a mighty powerful God...
Our creator has put a challenge for all non-believers to make one chapter like the Quran which has 114 chapters with this perfection, arrangement, metaphysical miracles, eloquence, splendor, wise legislation, true information, true prophecy, beauty, scientific miracles, and other thousands of miracles. along with history, all the attempts have failed.
The scientific miracles include The chemical composition of the human ( the clay ), the expansion of the universe, the knocking star, the origin of the universe, the orbits, the movements of the sun and the earth, the rotation of the earth, the stage of development of the only type of clouds that produce hail, the mountain as pegs, the vision in the deep seas, the variation of the amount of the air along the sky, the front of the head function, the chronological comparisons of developments of the fetus ( the bones, the body, the hearing, and the vision), the stage of the developments of the zygote, the only pain receptors, the factor that determines gender ( the sperm ), The secretion of the digestive fluid in the fly, the fertilizing winds, the mechanism of secretion of the milk, and the forbidden type of breeding ( between relatives ).
You can study them by Yourself to be persuaded.
Surely, you have questions. send them to me.
But before doing anything, raise your hand and ask your creator to help you, to guide you, to forgive you, to enter you the heaven, and to save you from the fire.
I hope you do what I asked for and accept Islam.
Thanks❤️ ..
My 6 year old niece asked her grandma this last week. And this popped up on my suggestions. Never have I thought of asking such a question😂
@Applicant Number 301 Interesting
@Applicant Number 301 Sorry, I don't.
Well Enoch and Nephilims another sin from the heavens. Its Freewill. I don't recall Satan in heaven. It was Lucifer. Lol
@Applicant Number 301 very interesting, thanks. Now, to have two perspectives of this (Jewish and Muslim) or three (Christian) or more (Catholic, Jehovah's Witnesses) is, IMHO, a good example of people twisting and contorting to fit the structure. Like wanting to push a triangular pago through a circular hole. Everyone wants to have the right line/interpretation about things that they haven't experienced. Zero facts, all written words. Peace
@Applicant Number 301 Islam is a barbaric Bronze Age fairytale
Okay, this is not addressed directly in the Bible at all. I'm still in my early stages of reading the Bible sincerely but I'll share my thoughts on this one. As a believer, first and foremost we need to understand how God is though we will never understand Him fully. That means accepting that He can do all things literally. Now, I believe there was God first and He created angels to accompany, serve and glorify Him in heaven or whatever realm that is. And just as he later created man and gave him FREE WILL that we may be conscious of happiness, sadness and every feeling, and so that our reverence for Him is legitimate, I believe He gave that same free will to the angels before man was created. This free will certainly has to come at the cost of some not revering Him, or else it wouldn't be free will if every being, angel or human revere Him.
Hope some one can answer this in this example Lucifer had free will to decide to rebel against God or God created Satan just for the purpose of trying to find the true humans who love him and will worship for eternity, and if God is all knowing and all powerful couldn´t just he created only the humans that will in the end after the trials that he knows will go to heaven with hell and in this case he doesn´t need to send half or more of mankind to hell?
@@a.39886
Romans 5:8 (ESV)
but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Yes, you are correct that God could have simply created souls without free will and incorruptible and placed them into heaven and told them every day how much He loves them. But God didn't want to just tell us that He loves us. He decided to show us. He gave us free will knowing that we would choose to sin and bound us in a covenant that would demand a sacrifice be made for the payment of that sin. Because it is by that very sacrifice that God made on our behalf that His love for us is proven and made complete. And that free gift of salvation is available to all. For those who reject it, their sin is still bound by the law and requires a payment - they have just chosen to pay for their sin on their own. I encourage you to obey the command of God to go out and tell everyone who is willing to listen that they don't have to pay for their sin on their own, because God loves them so much He already made the sacrifice for them. All they have to do is turn away from their sin, turn towards God, and accept the free gift of salvation.
@@turkeybobjr then I ask:
For what purpose did God create us?
Let me explain the following:
People bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in
Matthew 7: 13-14.
“13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it."
There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation.
Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born.
James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death.
John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life”
Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so.
Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage.
Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when I could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family.
Genesis 2:16-17
“16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.”
Genesis 6:7
“7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.”
Thank you for your time, I look forward to your response. Blessings.
@@a.39886
John 4:23 (ESV)
But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.
@@turkeybobjr have you read why I explain? you are telling me this and have no context even so the hour is coming for 2000 years?
These are actually some very deep, intelligent questions, which he clearly has no congruent answers on. She might wanna look into non-duality or analytical idealism. It’ll give her satisfying answers for sure.
Don’t feel like you did justice to the question. This was an excellent question
Frank won't admit that Satan and Free Will are God's creations.
Love how he didn’t answer the question
I agree with you here is my answer hope it helps
Lucifer was never in heaven when he sin, he was god on earth he had a kingdom on EARTH in THE GARDEN OF EDEN and he had kingdoms, kings and nations under him, angels has the right to move around in heaven and around the stars and on earth if they want to, have a free will, Lucifer could visit heaven at times, he had musical instruments build into his body, and he would play the music to God in heaven that he received from the nations on earth, he was also in contact with the angels in heaven,
there was war Lucifer and his angels made was with Michael and his angels, and Lucifer lost he was cast out of heaven onto the earth as satan, this happened before Adam and the woman, the angels that was cast out was bound in everlasting chains in darkness inside earth until the day of judgement, the angels that left heaven to marry woman on earth was also cast down into darkness everlasting chains until the day of judgement, so please do not tell me fallen angels became evil spirits or demons, the writings in Revelation is an account of what happened to satan when he made war with Michael and his angels, this refers to the time of Lucifers fall from heaven and became satan, BEFORE Adam and the woman,
God cannot create a mess when He speaks things into existence, so what happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 Genesis 1:1 God created heave and earth 1:2 everything a mess???
Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High
Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isaiah 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Ezekiel 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Whenever I enter a lengthy discussion with someone about why God would set up the situation of life we're currently experiencing in the first place, it usually boils down to God wanting to create something that chooses to love him. It's likened to having kids ourselves, and how the being must have a choice to sin or not. To me, God has already achieved this with the angels that apparently have the free will to choose to align themselves with him or not. But the Crux of the issue to me is, why is it damnation if you don't choose God? I think Turek put it very well here when he said there had to be some degree of separation between the angels and God in order for them to have free will. My question is why does God treat not choosing him as the original sin, as evil? Why not simply unmake Satan or allow him to live without constant and endless torture?
Because Satan “Is” evil, he became evil. Satan birthed evil. God wants a creation to freely choose He and to luv Him without any force, so He won’t force us to choose Him but Satan choose to try and dethrone God. He wanted to be God and that’s not Gods fault it’s Satans, so Satan “will” live in torture forever, and he’s not wearing a mask because it’s his fault. (Good for him)
And if you don’t choose God who is the source of Good and is sovereign then u choose the Opposite of good “evil”
God doesn’t want us to live on our own He wants us to live through Him and to let Him make our choices because he wants us to need Him. He knows what’s best for us and he knows what we “need”. All glory goes to him because He’s perfect and we are not. Right now we don’t understand because we are flawed creatures so our minds won’t be able to comprehend his righteousness and his goodness. But when we go to Heaven we will know everything He knows.
Because God is just. There is no other good or light apart from Him, therefore any separation from Him is darkness and evil. And just as we humans want justice when we see evil happen to us or others, God all the more wants it. We are made in His image. I’ve asked the same and this is where God brought me to.. took me a long time to grasp. Hopefully this helps.
In order for God to be God, He must reward righteousness and punish evil.
@@seanc2788 Let me explain the following:
People bring a child into the world, it is most likely that he will end up being condemned to hell, which is established in the bible in
Matthew 7: 13-14.
“13 You can only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to hell; That is why many people prefer them. 14 But small is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and very few people find it."
There is no way that as mere humans we can guarantee that if we have children they will go to heaven, so we will be responsible for allowing them to come into the world and then their future eternal torture in hell and damnation.
Even those who try to search cannot because Satan, other evil religions, the world and the flesh itself are doing everything possible to condemn them to hell for eternity from the moment they are born.
James 1:14-15 1 "14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then lust, after it has conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, being finished, gives birth to to light death.
John 2:16: “men alienated from God governed by their passions, by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and by the pride of life”
Luke 13:23-24. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And he replied, 24 “Do your best to enter through the narrow gate, because I tell you that many will try to enter and will not be able to do so.
Now if we as humans deal with this truth here on earth, and we are aware that except for terrible cases of abuse, every other conception and life that comes into the world is consensual in the intimate act, we cannot say that nobody forced us to bring children into the world, it was we ourselves who brought them into the world and if they end up being condemned, we would be part of that process since we could choose not to become intimate in the flesh, either in sin or within marriage.
Being an omniscient God, that is to say, he has perfect wisdom and knowledge of what is going to happen and even despite knowing that most of the population was going to be condemned to hell, he allowed existence to continue even when I could have avoided all the pain and suffering of hell for the majority of his creation. First with Adam and Eve knowing that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit and then with Noah exterminating the world through the flood and saving his life and his family.
Genesis 2:16-17
“16 Then the LORD God commanded the man, “You may freely eat from any tree in the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you do, you will surely die.”
Genesis 6:7
“7 Then the LORD said, “I will wipe the human being whom I have created from the face of the earth. I will destroy human beings, domestic animals, those that crawl on the ground and the birds of the sky because I am sorry I made them.”
@@a.39886 I was just simply answering the original question of why is it damnation if you don't choose God. Because He must punish wickedness, He has no choice. He doesn't want to throw His creation into hell, but if they don't choose Him, there is not much else He can do for them.
I don't know where all this other stuff came from. I already understand all of that.
He said regarding the dead, that to be absent from the body is to be present with The Lord. But doesn't The Book of Revelations teach that when we die, we have no consciousness? We are simply dead until Jesus returns and then he will resurrect us?
As an introvert, heaven sounds like a pretty busy place... Can I have my own plot of land with a fishing pond away from all the commotion? HAHA That sounds like heaven to me!
😂 i feel you. I told God i need my house to have invisibility properties, so i can make my house invisible when i want, so nobody comes over or bothers me for a while 😂
This guy is great at making stuff up on the fly! That was incredible!
He knows what Heaven is all about, just amazing, maybe he IS God. I just cannot see any other logical reasoning for him to have such knowledge of two Heavens and Gods thinking. Do people really fall for this crap? It's like these Evangelical leaders that claim they have direct communication with God, make a prophecy like Trump is chosen by God and will win the next election, then when he doesn't they come up with a long list of BS excuses and their followers, just like Sheep don't even question that God was either wrong or these Evangelical leaders are just con artists and never had that direct link to God. Some have even said Satan stopped Trump from winning, this excuse is the worst as it makes Satan more powerful than God
He's a good story teller I'll give him that
Please know that I truly mean no offence whatsoever. But I hope and pray that u 3 people change ur views and beliefs before u die. Because if u do not.....then it will "LITERALLY" b the most absolute worst possible kind of never ending pain and suffering. Pain and suffering n "LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE WHICH WAY POSSIBLE". Please know that the bible is true, and that "GOD IS REAL"!!!!!!!!! Good luck.
@@kennyg5242 Please prove these statements to be true..."then it will "LITERALLY" b the most absolute worst possible kind of never ending pain and suffering. Pain and suffering n "LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE WHICH WAY POSSIBLE."
@@kennyg5242 No offence taken, Doctor has given me 12 months, you wont change my mind and I have no fear of what's in front of me, 2 years or pain, surgeries and treatments, it will be a relief not to feel any pain. I see no evidence of any God/Gods or the supernatural and I'm fine with the concept of nothingness after I've gone.
But then I'm confused if Engels are righteous how did they have freewill to sin??
@Valayar Checkpost so then why in all references there is no distinction between the two as they are classified as one entity ?
Valayar Checkpost satan is a title nothing more
Lucifer got jealous and rebelled, and then convinced other angels to turn against God and ended up being cast down to the earth where they can take almost any shape.
Eddie Kuzmenko he took like 1/3 of the angles I think
God has always given everyone free choice. His greatest gift.
Let's try this hypothesis:
The angels were the first (immaterial) creatures to be created by God when He said, "Let there be light". This is according to St. Augustine
The angels had different classes in terms of ministering before God and experiencing the beatific vision of God. The archangels have the fullness of this experience.
Their beatific vision involves seeing God as He is (Father, Son and Spirit) as well as His plan for all ages. Part of the plan involves creating the material world as well as His (material) image aka humans. All angels rejoiced at this plan.
But then God's plan also involved dwelling with the humans and making the angels ministers of humans like they would do to God. Another part of God's plan is that through the person of the Son (born of humans), He will reign over the created world with humans. Some angels were joyful with this, some were jealous, but then some were envious - chief among them being Lucifer the archangel. In his envy, he asked, "why should humans have the dominion and why not the angels? Are angels not the perfect creatures for dominion?" Eventually, his envy turned to pride proclaiming that he is more fit to have the dominion of the world rather than be subservient to humans and God. Then, his pride turned into hatred of humans. Lucifer convinced about 33% of the angels of this train of thought. Eventually, God had to separate these angels as demons (darkness) from heaven.
The demons try to prove a point to God, which is that he made a mistake with humans. They do that with sin and inflicting suffering on the human race (as in the case of Job).
Now for human beings, the beatific vision of God is to see God as He is and to reign with Him over Heaven and earth. It is not the same as the angels. Angels are highly advanced intelligent immaterial creatures but they do not have a body. Human beings do and God in the person of the Son also does as well. And the resurrected body of humans will be free from sin. Angels can never repent on any choice (good or bad) they have made. Hell was therefore made for creatures that fail to repent of their sins to God.
Great insight and In Ezekiel 28 it says Lucifer was "anointed as guardian cherub, for so I ordained you" and was “‘the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty". The ark of the covenant shows the placement of the 2 guardian cherubs over the mercy seat. Their job were too protect God's very Commandments. But Lucifer...
15 "You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub, "
The Bible even showed his heart condition in Isaiah 14. His envy is catastrophic but it's all worth a bruise too God's heal and God will return with a blow to his head.
12" How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
13 You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.[b]
14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
15 But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.
16 Those who see you stare at you,
they ponder your fate:
“Is this the man who shook the earth
and made kingdoms tremble,
17 the man who made the world a wilderness,
who overthrew its cities
and would not let his captives go home?”
@@JamesSmith-fb8et Thanks for the bible verses. I will look into them for more details. If you have anymore of them, you could post them on this platform.
That young lady asked some very good questions, and he answered them fairly well and at good speed, I feel his explanation was quite thorough.
His answer was BS
Lucifer was never in heaven when he sin, he was god on earth he had a kingdom on EARTH in THE GARDEN OF EDEN and he had kingdoms, kings and nations under him, angels has the right to move around in heaven and around the stars and on earth if they want to, have a free will, Lucifer could visit heaven at times, he had musical instruments build into his body, and he would play the music to God in heaven that he received from the nations on earth, he was also in contact with the angels in heaven,
there was war Lucifer and his angels made was with Michael and his angels, and Lucifer lost he was cast out of heaven onto the earth as satan, this happened before Adam and the woman, the angels that was cast out was bound in everlasting chains in darkness inside earth until the day of judgement, the angels that left heaven to marry woman on earth was also cast down into darkness everlasting chains until the day of judgement, so please do not tell me fallen angels became evil spirits or demons, the writings in Revelation is an account of what happened to satan when he made war with Michael and his angels, this refers to the time of Lucifers fall from heaven and became satan, BEFORE Adam and the woman,
God cannot create a mess when He speaks things into existence, so what happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 Genesis 1:1 God created heave and earth 1:2 everything a mess???
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I don't get that idea that there was a "distance" between God and the angels, that the angels could not see the full glory of God. Lucifer was a Seraph--the highest order of angels (Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones) that interacts continuously with God and God alone. The very idea of heaven is to be in the full presence of God with all of his glory revealed. That is why humans want to go to heaven in the purest sense. By the way, now you know just how powerful one single Seraph is in it's influence upon humanity on Earth.
Being in the presence of God doesnt mean you also have infinite perception. The reason the different orders of Angel's have hierarchy is because of their ability to see God in His fullness- and even the highest order "contemplates His mystery" always and forever. That is- they dont comprehend him fully despite spending eternity looking at Him.
*The bible explains it in Ezekiel* ...It seems Adam and Eve had an Angel that looked after them...that angel became full of himself because of his beautiful appearance. He got the idea of being the ruler of humans...
Ezekiel 28:13-17 New Living Translation
*13You were in Eden, the garden of God.*
Your clothing was adorned with every precious stoneb-red carnelian, pale-green peridot, white moonstone, blue-green beryl, onyx, green jasper, blue lapis lazuli, turquoise, and emerald-all beautifully crafted for you and set in the finest gold.
They were given to you on the day you were created.
14I ordained and anointed you as the *mighty angelic guardian.c* You had access to the holy mountain of God and walked among the stones of fire.
*15“You were blameless in all you did from the day you were created until the day evil was found in you.*
16Your rich commerce led you to violence, and you sinned. So I banished you in disgrace from the mountain of God. *I expelled you, O mighty guardian,* from your place among the stones of fire.
*17Your heart was filled with pride because of all your beauty.* Your wisdom was corrupted by your love of splendor. So I threw you to the ground and exposed you to the curious gaze of kings.
Genesis 3:1-5 New Living Translation
1The serpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the LORD God had made. One day he asked the woman, “Did God really say you must not eat the fruit from any of the trees in the garden?”
2“Of course we may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,” the woman replied. 3“It’s only the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden that we are not allowed to eat. God said, ‘You must not eat it or even touch it; if you do, you will die.’”
*4“You won’t die!” the serpent replied to the woman. 5“God knows that your eyes will be opened as soon as you eat it, and you will be like God, knowing both good and evil.”*
2 Corinthians 11:3 New Living Translation
3But I fear that somehow your pure and undivided devotion to Christ will be corrupted, *just as Eve was deceived by the cunning ways of the serpent.*
*The bible identifies that originally good guardian angel as the one who became the Devil, Satan.* He encouraged Adam and Eve (with their children) to follow him and became mankinds ruler...
Revelation 12:9 New Living Translation
9This great dragon- *the ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, the one deceiving the whole world* -was thrown down to the earth with all his angels.
2 Corinthians 4:4 New Living Translation
*4Satan, who is the god of this world,* has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
Luke 4:5-7 New Living Translation
*5Then the devil took him up and revealed to him all the kingdoms of the world* in a moment of time. *6“I will give you the glory of these kingdoms and authority over them,” the devil said, “because they are mine to give to anyone I please.* 7I will give it all to you if you will worship me.”
God did not send Satan to test humans. Satan was initially good and in a position of responsibility. He let that go to his head...
Satan has a limited time left in power/control...
Revelation 12:12 New Living Translation
Therefore, rejoice, O heavens! And you who live in the heavens, rejoice! But terror will come on the earth and the sea, *for the devil has come down to you in great anger, knowing that he has little time.”*
Revelation 20:1,2,7-10 New Living Translation
The Thousand Years
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the bottomless pita and a heavy chain in his hand. *2He seized the dragon-that old serpent, who is the devil, Satan-and bound him in chains for a thousand years.*
The Defeat of Satan
7When the thousand years come to an end, Satan will be let out of his prison. 8He will go out to deceive the nations-called Gog and Magog-in every corner of the earth. He will gather them together for battle-a mighty army, as numberless as sand along the seashore. 9And I saw them as they went up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded God’s people and the beloved city. But fire from heaven came down on the attacking armies and consumed them.
*10Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.*
*Fire means permanant destruction.* Anything burned is non retrievable. The Devil/Satan is destroyed, never again to mislead anyone and cause them harm.
The Devil subject is ongoing.
One question I have is, "Do angels have freewill to choose, as humans do?"
There is no scripture to say they do.
I would think so. The difference between us and angels is that they don’t not have to rely on faith to witness the glory of God as they are constantly in his presence. They witness omnipotence to a far greater detail than we could image. With that in mind would you choose to disobey the almighty who has created you or do try and combat that with a legion to see if you’re stronger. The devil chose his path and so did the demons( which I would guess some of them are angels too, that followed) that followed. We all have free will, Angels just have a clearer perspective of what is going on.
@@KEC0001 Well, in order for angels to commit the sin of rebellion against God, there would have to be an environment in Heaven which would allow for sin.
We have that environment here on earth, but Heaven is supposed to be an environment where there is no sin...🤔
Alright, in so many words, your current response takes us back to my first question: "Do angels have freewill to choose, as humans do?"
When we have no scripture to say they do, and no scripture to even show that they were ever created, (even though we know they exist), it is unreasonable then to conclude that negative scriptures about angels are anything more than metaphors.
There is no discord where God dwells. Only sinful man makes and allows for unpeaceful environments.
A sinful environment would also be an unholy environment, and The Holy God would never dwell in such an environment.
Therefore, it's more reasonable to believe that a separate race of creature, apart from man and angels, was created being superior to man, which would be what those negative scriptures about angels are referring to...
Also, Lucifer was the term used to describe King Nebuchadnezzar in Isaiah 14.
I always get ahha 💡 moments when people use parenting as an example… best thing any teacher has ever done was to use my love & my parental brain to teach me how Gods love & parenting is not much different ❤️
Correct! and the same way children can suffer from bad or corrupted parenting, we too can suffer from false teachings about the Bible and our heavenly Father. The Bible in itself mentions that false preachers and prophets would arise in the last days. Did you know that many false religious leaders preach that Jesus Christ is God? However, the Bible shows us that God has a name and His son Jesus Christ declared this name and made it known to those whom he preached to. The Bible also says that his name will be sanctified among the nations. His name is Jehovah, and He is the most high Ruler and Creator of the Universe. This name was removed in some Bibles like the KJV for e.g. whereas it appeared some 7000+ times in the original Hebrew and Greek scriptures!
Hope some one can answer this I have not found an answer yet thanks for your time
1) Did Lucifer had free will to decide to rebel against God?
2) Or did God created Satan just for the purpose of trying to find the true humans who love him and will worship for eternity?
3) Is the "corrupted world" the "trials of Satan" the way to determine what humans will receive salvation in their heart and will go to heaven with God and what humans will go to hell?
4) If God is all knowing and all powerful Why not create only the first group of humans that will get salvation and not the second so in this there is no need to send most of mankind to hell?
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freewill... and with the freewill lies the possibility of good and evil but that's real and true love
The best question iv ever heard in my entire life 🔥
Great question. So here is a reply to this question. Angels would have seen the Majority of the creation which would make their faith sight and complete. This means that angels got only 1 chance to choose God or Lucifer because they, without ANY doubt, knew who God is. Adam didn't get to see any of the creation at all. Even when Eve was created, Adam was put under by God and reawakened to her. God walked with them in the garden and talked with them but they had to believe that this random person claiming to be God actually was indeed Him. Humanity has this opportunity with constant freewill.
Wow. Years ago I asked this question when I was 12ish. I absolutely stumped my youth pastor at the time. I’m so glad that I found this because this was a great explanation to my question.
Hope some one can answer this I have not found an answer yet thanks for your time
1) Did Lucifer had free will to decide to rebel against God?
2) Or did God created Satan just for the purpose of trying to find the true humans who love him and will worship for eternity?
3) Is the "corrupted world" the "trials of Satan" are the way to determine what humans will receive salvation in their heart and will go to heaven with God and what humans will go to hell?
4) If God is all knowing and all powerful Why not create only the first group of humans and not the second so in this case there is no need to send most of mankind to hell?
@@a.39886 They don’t have answers for you. Just a bunch of nonsense explaining the fiction.
@@a.39886 Hey! I know this comment is over a year old, but I'm still going to try to answer these.
1) Did Lucifer had free will to decide to rebel against God?
Yes. Satan (alongside every other angel/fallen angel) has free will.
2) Or did God created Satan just for the purpose of trying to find the true humans who love him and will worship for eternity?
I think God made good from a bad situation with this one. Because Satan could tempt Adam and Eve, this also gave them to ability to turn against God if they wanted to. Even though Satan turned away from Him, God may have made it a bit of a system to where Adam and Eve could deny Him if they wanted to (like including the Tree of Knowledge). That's my make of it anyways.
3) Is the "corrupted world" the "trials of Satan" are the way to determine what humans will receive salvation in their heart and will go to heaven with God and what humans will go to hell?
I'm not too sure what this is referring to. I think you mean just earth in general and the temptations that come alongside it. It could be a test. The way gets to heaven is through Christ, so if somebody choses to deny Him, then that determines it. Living on this earth can make it fairly easy to deny Christ, so it could be a trial of sorts. We all have to start on earth too, so we can exactly skip to the finish line.
4) If God is all knowing and all powerful Why not create only the first group of humans and not the second so in this case there is no need to send most of mankind to hell?
In my mind, I feel it's only a matter of time before humans would have denied God. As far as we know, Adam and Eve were in the Garden for decades. Given mere days or millions of years, eventually somebody would do it
@@fatstrategist do you think that once in heave humans could deny God again?
@@a.39886we will not have any desire to. we'll have no inclination to sin
So, if he answered her question, this means that either Satan is an anomaly or it's incredible that no other angels have sinned since then. Is Satan the most successful case of "making an example out of him?" Also, would that mean any person saved and living in heaven now could potentially sin? Or are they not currently in a place where they have free will?
Remember Satan took 1/3 of the angels with him. They're demons now. So the rest of the angels clearly see that what Satan did was evil and find no urge to join him.
Potential sin in heaven? i'm not sure
In heaven, it's like a marriage. Some people can commit the rest of their lives to someone, and some can't. You still have the freedom to cheat on your mate, but if it's a good marriage, you will be faithful forever, so yes, you can sin in heaven, but you won't, and God knows who and who can't go the whole distance.
Satan and angels are mythology. Because Heaven and Hell is mythology, nobody needs to be saved. It's all fiction.
@@muppetonmeds I don't think that you have anything from the Scriptures to back up that theory
Like it or not we all are in God's programme and we just have to obey Him.
He is Good.