Hey guys, I'm sorry I couldn't publish a video last week but I was really busy trying to complete this one! Hopefully it's worth missing an episode for ;) I'd also love to hear your thoughts on Thranduil. Is he your favourite Elven king? And do you prefer his portrayal in the movies or in the books?
I think Thranduil is one of the most underappreciated characters in the Legendarium. He has no special power, he isn’t even a light-elf: but he was able to achieve great deeds through wisdom, kindness, courage and hard work. That makes him inspirational to the reader in a way that most of the elven characters are not.
I think Thranduil is a very reasonable King and ally. He has a good heart and will only fight when he must, which is something other Kings can learn from.
Thranduil has been my favorite elf for as long as I've been a fan of Tolkien's works. I think Lee Pace did a phenomenal job in the hobbit movies. He showed the grit of an older elf that contrasted well with Legolas' young optimism.
I personally agree as well. Most of us don't like the way the story was told in the movie, but the acting was so great! (My opinion so plz no one get triggered lmao)
If you read the comment section of RUclips videos about Thranduil, there are endless fangirls saying how they have the hots for Thranduil and how Thranduil was perfectly cast. It’s pretty funny.
I find none of casting wrong and I like Lee Pace as Thranduil (though The Hobbit films are the only ones I have seen with Pace). The only critism I have is that Peter Jackson should have been more obvious with that the jewels were meant for his wife as it is too vague in the films. If he'd done that we would see more sympathy for him but now comes across as a selfish bastard until Legolas stops him from killing Tauriel.
@@GeekZoneMT Not only seeing - that voice that Lee Pace has... *melting awaaaaay*, so, yes, I am another one of those fan "girls". Despite the fact that in this world, I am older than Lee Pace. ;-)
Thank you so much, so little is told of Thranduil and Greenwood/Mirkwood. He was a great king, able to hold Greenwood together even without the help of an Elven ring of power.
I know originally I thought he was just mean and grumpy and didn't care about anything but the gems etc... now it's like... ok so he's a good guy after all. LOL
Anyone else here who is hoping the upcoming Amazon series will give us more of Thranduil? I mean, he WAS around in the 2nd age. Him and his father leaving Doriath and finally founding the realm of Greenwood the Great would make splendid material for the series.
@@TheTermin8tar Well, in the book he has the line: "Long will I tarry ere I start a war for gold". Book and movie Thranduil are out of synch in some matters. So, book Thranduil would NOT have started a fight for gems and a necklace.
He is one of my favorite characters because he used his magic to safe guard his people. The call of the sea and the west were what would worry him most. As Legolas was lost to the west, he was proved correct.
I loved the additions they made in the movie about his story, gave him more depth than just greed. Although of course not counting his actual backstory about his father since that doesn't really play into the hobbit. Lee Pace portrayed him beautifully, so elegant yet sharp. I really adore his strength, despite not having a ring of power he managed his kingdom well enough to thrive despite the onslaughts of darkness. That's one bamf if I ever saw one💕
I wish they had kept in there the part where the jewels Thranduil wanted were his wife's. It wasn't about greed but him wanting something that was meant for his wife. That's not in the books either, but it did make his intentions a little more noble. The Dwarves were basically in the wrong. They were trespassing and Thranduil just wanted compensation for helping them on their quest.
@@Paulafan5 I was going to say that. They were HIS. Imagine if you went to go get some stones set by a jeweler, and they said “nope, gonna keep them”. And THEN ambushed and killed the guys who were supposed to go fetch them!
Mr. Pace created such the remarkable Elvenking of Mirkwood. He combined in his image the unmatchable characters: the huge height and extraordinary grace of movements, stern male eyebrows and gentle female gaze, capriciously pursed lips with firm and haughty expression of the mouth, power and fury of a real warrior with icy composure. The Greeks had a notion - charisma - an elegance combined with the power. That's exactly what he meant. Mr. Pace is worthy to be called the Elvenking of Mirkwood.
The movie cast the perfect actor as Thranduil. I can't even imagine seeing him walking around on the streets like everyone else. He had his issues, but I really liked him.
3:30 that’s the reason why Thranduil had that thousand yard stare moment in the 2nd hobbit film. When that Orc mentioned that he served “The One” (aka. Sauron), Thranduil’s ptsd from the Last Alliance kicked into overdrive.
My favorite elven King? Absolutely Thranduil 😏 Man his character is so good, and he has done so many things, that made his realm or the near livings live better. But I love how people think about his perhaps, wife. That maybe she died, and Thranduil, because of this loss, never speaked about it.
The books are too deep, too grand in scope for the movies to have done it close justice. I really, really liked the movies, so that says how much more I feel about the books.
@@kennethsatria6607 yeah I mean I felt he was being pretty reasonable in trying to negotiate with Thorin in the movie… yet despite that Thorin decides to be stubborn and insult Thranduil which obviously doesn’t leave him with no choice but to keep them imprisoned..
Lee's portrayal was so camp but it fit the movie so well. He was like a male version of Miranda Priestly. Cold, calculating, aloof but underneath, melancholic.
Although we know that Legolas was the son of Thranduil, Tolkien never really clarified whether the Elvenking might have had more than one child. 'The Heart of the Wild', the region guide to Mirkwood for The One Ring Roleplaying Game, even states that "when [Thranduil] is off hunting, he usually leaves one of his sons as seneschal." Nothing else has been done with that idea to the best of my knowledge, nor does the guide have anything to say about Thranduil's queen.
I always assumed that Thranduils wife/Queen(legolas' mother) either passed over sea to the Undying lands before the events seen in the Hobbit and LOTR and its aftermath, or else she died. Elves dont divorce, or separate like the race of Men do, in Middle Earth. So the fact that she isnt seen or spoken of makes me think shes not around anymore.
@@chucknorris202 We don't get to spend any time in the Woodland Realm in 'The Lord of the Rings', but the fact that Thranduil's queen isn't so much as mentioned in 'The Hobbit' does suggest that she's not around anymore for whatever reason. It's too bad that we will never know if Tolkien would have addressed this question in his unfinished 1960 rewrite of 'The Hobbit'. The Middle-earth Role Play game (MERP) from Iron Crown Enterprises did include Thranduil's spouse in the game supplement 'Halls of the Elven-king'. Here she was presented as Lady Arhendhiril.
@@ladyalaina42 Well, I should have emphasized that the excerpt from 'The Heart of the Wild' is non-canonical. The One Ring is an excellent RPG though; certainly not garbage.
It's not that I preffer the ones in the movies, but it did feel more interesting and 3dimensional. For all my hatred of the Hobbit film trilogy, the moment when Thranduil shows his hidden scars seemed epic to me. I imagined his real invaded by cold drakes from the Grey Mountains, the same that expelled the dwarves, and their epic struggle.
I have not known about Thranduil until this year!!! Even though I first read the Hobbit when I was eight! But now he has become my favourite character, even though I feel the movie did not do him justice. There was no colour in his palace, and although it was obvious he liked nice clothes, even he needed a soft place to sleep, but there was no softness anywhere. So I like the images you have now put in my head about how his magic could make the place look beautiful. Thank you!
This was a great story about our beloved Thranduil. Lee Pace was fabulous at portraying him. I wish they had shown more of him in "The Hobbit" trilogy. He's such any interesting character. I'm writing a novel about him and his life story. Still have quite a lot to cover on it. I'd love to see him brought into the tv series being created by Amazon. All his fans should contact them and express this desire.
Thranduil has been my favorite character since I first read The Hobbit over 30 years ago. Powerful, mysterious, and pure class. I also loved the movies renditions of him. Almost exactly how I had imagined him. Lee Pace was fantastic 👌
Awesome! I had always considered Thranduil as Nandor rather than Sindar. Sindar gives him a much more powerful edge to his story...to have escaped the sack of Menegroth and then the Mouths of the Sirion...and go on to found a lasting kingdom in the Greenwood! Nice!
It does kind of make you realize why Thranduil was the way he was (both in the book and the movies). After seeing the wars and battles he had seen and his people get decimated again and again it's easy to understand his isolationism.
Thranduil’s crown was more or less what I expected to look on film. But I wasn’t expecting at all that his clothes looked like he was the rock star of elves. I thought his clothes would look similar to Elrond’s clothes, even though they are from different elven kingdoms.
@@ladyalaina42 i thought it fit the cartoonesque and glossy style of the film. They purposely made him look like he was styled by Tom Ford. He was such a diva and I loved it.
@@GullibleTarget never mind the Hobbit book our eleven king. Jackson failed Tolkien and me as a reader as well. He lost the esssence and is done for me.
@@ladyalaina42 but Thranduil himself was a Sindarin elf and lived throughout the first age where Elu Thingol and Melian ruled and Sindar thrived. Obviously something from that age stayed within him. For me, his looks and attitude weren't unrealistic.
It would be awesome if you did a video about the cities of Middle Earth, from the past and from the present, witch reign they are in, their people, and for example, what happened to the old cities of Arnor, they became complete ruins? Where did it's people go? Love your content, best LORT Chanel in the RUclips
Say what you will, but Lee Pace's portrayal of Thranduil was otherworldly. With most characters - I read the books before I watched the movies - where, when I think of them, I imagine them as imagined them when I read the books. Not Thranduil. Lee Pace's performance was really off the scale.
The world should have seen much more of Pace. I'm afraid that sir Ian McGellen did Grinner Lee a great disservice by 'outing him' so early in his career..There was very much more to Lee Pace than being a champion for social justice and woke queerulousness...
I wonder if thranduil's treasure obsession with treasure was influenced by thingol because in the silmarilion thingol tells beren to get a silmaril from morgoth and that drew the attention of the feanorians
I doubt it's a connection. The only reason King Thingol asked Beren to do that in the first place is because he thought he wouldn't do it and leave Luthien alone
Whenever I say something I always imagine saying it as thranduil does specifically when he tells taruail that the humans will die in the 3rd hobbit film
I love Thranduil's portrayal in Hobbit. He was so different than Galadriel and Elrond much more cynical and bitter and bit of a bastard but fair and a great king to his people. Such an interesting character the movie made him since we don't really know his personality in the books
I simply can't get enough. Im still waiting for the day when a Middle Earth game such as LOTRO is brought to life and we can revisit such places with higher quality visuals. Id love something that takes place in the 1st or 2nd age since most everyone is very familiar with the third age. Anyways thank you for what you do! Consider making a displate art series or something so I can buy them all and support you!
Brilliant video, great narration, as always GZ At 5:38 you follow the History of Galadriel and Celeborn: "his halls were not to be compared with Menegroth. He had not the arts nor the wealth nor the aid of the Dwarves..." But Gimli the Dwarf takes issue: "and Dwarves helped in their making long ago" ('The Road to Isengard'). Sorry if the point has been made before
@@silk.and.cologne "indie game" is a term used to denote a game made by an "independent developer". Usually, this includes any group or individual who does not have the backing of a major corporation, like, say, EA.
Amazingly detailed and very interesting videos as always. You make great content that keeps unlocking new secrets and ideas to LOTR and it's always great to explore.
Great video as always! I personnally don't care about schedule, and one video a week sounds like a lot to me! It's totally fine I think if you take your time and don't feel stressed. That's the price for quality... and don't worry, your videos are so well documented that I take pleasure watching them several times, because I can never remember everything! I have a slight question: did Thranduil eventually take the Straight Road and went to the Undying Lands, or did he and his people choose to remain faithful to their homeland of Middle Earth and fade there? More generally, if you ever need a subject for a video, maybe doing one about the eventual fate of the different Elf peoples in Middle Earth would be interesting (which ones came back or simply went to Valinor, which ones remained) :)
Thanks man! We're never told whether Thranduil eventually traveled to the Undying Lands though I think it's more likely that he remained in Mirkwood and faded eventually :(
Sure, he's a bit of a dick, but imagine the strain of being a good king for thousands of years. In Middle-Earth, no less. Shelob's children, Sauron in disguise, errant orc raiding parties. Dwarves and a halfling repeatedly crashing your drunken midnight raves. So, I've learned to cut Thranduil a little leniency, in regards to his treatment of outsiders. Yeh, he aight in my books lol Edit: Lee Pace was magnificent as King Thranduil. Jussayin
Great job! I love your videos so much! You inform me so much on Middle Earth and answer alot of my questions. Thank you so much👍 # my favorite RUclipsr
I believe he eventually went to the Underlying Lands to be with his family, his father, mother, wife and son Legolas. Legolas had to leave Middle Earth and left with Gimli after Aragorn andArwen died. And, Thranduil probably convinced his people, who loved him, to go with him.....
Thrandiel and Elrond? How come they are never together or in battle together? Thrandiel and Galadriel? Do they communicate? Is there a hierarchy of leadership? Differences between Elrond and THrandiel?
It must suck to be a pointy eared elven princeling I mean your the prince that's great but you'll never be king being imortal and if you kill your father then he's likely to come back from the undying land and give you a very strongly worded letter detailing his disappointment
In appendix, Return of the King, Legolas took a group of Woodland elves to Ithilien and established an elven colony there and helped with the restoration of several cities before leaving for Valinor after the death of Aragorn.
I wonder, am I the only one who doesn't like Thranduil in the film? And that's a pity indeed, for you made me realize how much sadness lies in his real character's story. Anyway, your voice is enchanting as usual, good job!
I think my watching this video by GeekZone helped me understand Thranduil better and appreciate his animosity towards the Dwarves. If I am understanding it correrctly, the elves had some jems and gave them to the Dwarves to modify them somehow, I guess to make them produce a light from inside them, and then the Dwarves either tried to keep them or tried to extract a higher payment for their transformative work than was earlier agreed upon.
I’m happy with the casting of Thranduil. But I can’t help but wonder how Thranduil would have been played by Doug Jones who was originally cast when Guillermo del Toro was attached to direct the Hobbit films.
Doug Jones is good... when he's in a full body costume. But Lee Pace was brilliant and at the end you realize he wasn't really a bad guy at all. He was never "bad", just an obstacle for the Dwarves. The Dwarves were often in the wrong.
Thranduil is my favorite elf and I thought Lee Pace did a superb job in portraying him. However, I thought the way his character was developed in the movies was not true to how Tolkien envisioned him, and did not like how he was so misrepresented simply for the sake of dramatic effect. I did however, enjoy the depth of character that was portrayed and the interesting backstory. In truth, Thranduil deeply cared about his people and was a kind and generous king, even though his past experiences caused him to be distrustful of outsiders. He was not the greedy racist that Peter Jackson characterized in the film. To make matters worse, Jackson never fully developed his invented backstory in the film to clearly explain Thranduil’s motivations. This was a major mistake, and the audience was simply left to wonder why he was so desperate to reclaim the necklace. Had Jackson completed Thranduil’s character arc, I think more people would not have hated him, but instead would have realized that he was actually a genuine and sympathetic character, tormented by the losses he had suffered. You did a fine job with the video in setting the record straight on Thranduil’s true history, except that I think you should have pointed out that Tolkien never states whether or not Thranduil remained in Middle Earth. There are many Tolkien scholars who believe there are enough clues to make a strong case that he did ultimately sail at a later date in the Fourth Age. We will never know for sure, but this remains a topic of debate.
Maybe one of you LOTR Subject Matter Experts can help me out on something I read about regarding the history of the Silvan Elves as it pertains to the forest of Mirkwood or Greenwood the Great as it was known before becoming tainted by Sauron a'la The Necromancer. So it would seem to me Sauron's arrival in the forest and his establishment of a second home outside of Mordor known as Dol Guldor was made possible due to the Silvan Elve's abandonment of the southern half of the realm along with its capital city Amon Lanc which occurred long before the dark lord's arrival there. All Sauron had to do was simply move into the deserted remains of Amon Lanc renaming it Dol Guldor after which he did some remodeling to make the place more Mordorish and Presto! he had a nice bachelor pad in the woods. It was the reason that Thranduil and his Silvan Elves chose to relocate their Woodland Realm to the north of Ye Olde Forest Road far to the north that I'm kind of fuzzy on. The bit of research I've done on the subject suggests the Elves of Lorien led by none other than Galadriel herself were more or less encroaching upon Silvan territory in the south of Greenwood the Great which caused the relocation to the north in effort to maintain their isolationist preferences. I'm a bit curious what that was all about. Kinda seems like a total Dick Move on Galadriel's part if you ask me...or have I got the facts wrong?
It is a matter of debate since Tolkien never says one way or the other. There are Tolkien scholars who point out references that could strongly indicate that Thranduil did eventually sail to the Undying Lands. There are also other reasons he would have wanted to leave, given that he was an Eldar and that both his father and son both did. Also, if you check out Tolkien’s poem called “The Last Ship”, it is quite possible that Thranduil departed.
For all of you people, who are wondering if Elves are real, Yes they are..and also dwarves, but there should be no rivalry between them because elves are in another level. Now, I'm not talking about the movies nor the books of Tolkien. This movie might be a work of great author, but Tolkien's had references why he managed to create a wondrous magical concept. First let's talk about Elves, in His Lore, he called the beautiful taller beings, Elves, but in our language we called them differently, we happened to know them that they are Real, existing, but cannot be seen in a plain sight. They are more than magical, they actually are powerful beings, lesser deity I say because of how they combat the forces of dark side. Very few people had this privilege to encountered them..so it's not a surprise mankind as general refuse to acknowledge their existence. Their home can only be access by magical portal,usually located in a very remote area( old forest, mountains ).People who had encountered these beings,described them as very tall, beautiful and graceful, with pointy ears, some have wings of dragonfly, glowing, their hair is like a corn hair,( I meant the color, maybe not all have same color), very long , reaching down to their butts, the dress is also long but has this impression of thin flowing transparent gown. I don't know much about the males though, except that some people mentioned that Males of their kind are tall,(of course ) handsome, very fair, with long hair and pointy ears.sounds familiar to you? Please take note, that we know these beings exist before even the releasing of Lord of the Rings' movies).I also heard a handful of accounts from other people from my place ,that whenever our white witch doctors are struggling with the powerful evil entities they asked, or rather invoke these beings for help...so yes they are helpful as well as powerful. The only difference with the Elves here in Tolkien's Lore, they are almost warriors, whereas in real life, I don't have any idea if they know how to combat physically, like using swords,daggers and so on. From what I heard about them, they can combat evil entities, dark forces with ease by just using their power...so not sure about swordfighting though.in regard with the dwarves, these beings are also enchanted, meaning their abode is unaccessible to mankind, magical and all but cannot compare with the power of " Elves". In regard with the treasures, yes, that's true. Dwarves are the keepers of land treasure whereas the Elves are the Guardian/Keeper of Nature , of how the things work on Earth..the changing of seasons, the natural order of nature..and so on..and lastly, Orcs. Tolkien's referred them as Orcs, but in reality, they belong to dark forces in enchanted realms, possessing black Magick .they are responsible for making people sick and putting mankind in danger, it's them and their minions are those beings White Witch doctors are opposing every now and then in our place. There are times, good dwarf assist those white witches doctor to win, but in case the power of the enemy is too great, It's the 'Elves' who help to ensure victory. That is fact and reality!!but for some people , it's BS. I am not going to blame you though, but I am telling you the truth, I do not care if people believe it or not.
For more glorious that it can be to the eyes, the movies are merely adaptations of everything written in a paper (or computer), but first written. Of course the one portraited on the books.
Hollywood should make a movie about what Thranduil was going through while Frodo and company were taking the ring to be destroyed. Only Thranduil's part in all that. Should make it soon so Lee Pace can play the part again.
Where are you getting your info about the thanduil and dwarves “basic imitation of Doriath” idea from? Cause I’ve never heard of it, ever and I’m quite a Tolkien knowledgeable
If Thranduil did sail for the Undying Lands then Tolkien never wrote about it. We are left to assume that he remained in Middle-earth and eventually faded along with the rest of his realm.
@@otaku-sempai2197 Not necessarily. There are many Tolkien scholars who believe that there are clues and clear reasons to believe Thranduil may have sailed later in the Fourth Age. But, we won’t know for sure since Tolkien never directly stated one way or the other.
According to the Tolkien Appendix A, that Legolas, with Thranduil's permission brought a group of Woodland elves south and dwelt in Ithilien until King Elessar died, then he built a ship and sailed over sea to Valinor.
So wait Thranduil went to get the gems before the drwarfs, thats why he knew about Smaugh? I kinda wanted to know how Thranduil got the scar on his face.
@@GeekZoneMT Funny, I always assumed that he eventually traveled to the Undying Lands with Celeborn probably , I had no idea that other than Elladan and Elrohir...and Maglor... any other elves had stayed in Middle Earth to fade. That actually makes me sad.
@@bluezauza it isn’t known whether Thranduil sailed to the Undying Lands or not. Tolkien never directly says, but there is good reason to believe that he did eventually sail. It is a matter of debate and one can find references that do point to the possibility that he did leave Middle Earth.
I wouldn't be too concerned about missing a week, because the quality of your vids matter more than the quantity, and they are always a work of quality. I'm not a fan of peter Junkson and pretty much despise his films, so nothing else needs be said. As for Thranduil, I can appreciate his distaste for the Noldor whose calamities seemed to overtake "peaceful" Beleriand and ruin Thranduil's birth home but a wiser King would recognize that it will have happened anyway, Noldor or no, and probably will have happened worse had they not been present. . Thranduil and his father had the desire to escape Noldorin influence, which is why they refused to remain in Eriador under Gilgalad as everybody knows, but their prejudice led, in my opinion, to errors of judgement in the fact that they didn't bring with them to the primitive wood elves more of the advanced power, knowledge and technology that the Noldor brought with them to the Sindar in Middle Earth. I see it as a King's responsibility to bring every advantage to their people and not leave them in a second class state that would subject them to such an enormous failure as occurred in the battle of the Last Alliance, where it was said their technology was not contemporary to that of the Elves of the West and it left them vulnerable to the face wiping they received at the hands of Sauron's armies. The lack of advanced Western technology, in spite of it having existed by that point for centuries in Beleriand, implies that no renaissance accompanied the Sindar as they intruded on their simpler cousins. . Both Thranduil and his dad would have seen for themselves the danger presented by the dark powers and how even superior Elves were mopped up by the dark armies. They will have seen the elevation of Thingol by his association with the light, through Melian, and they will have seen over and over again the futility of believing that such great evil as existed then in Middle Earth would simply leave them in peace to live a simpler, rustic life among the quaint, wild wood elves of Mirkwood. It's unclear how these Sindar princelings managed to persuade the Nandor to take them as their Kings but it's obvious they considered themselves worthy of the task. yet they failed bigly in the most basic, elemental arena of rulership- the advancement, empowerment and greater welfare of the people laid on a foundation firmly established with every advantage on the very best of every new, innovative and modern thing available.
The Elves of Mirkwood were fighting their own battles during the War of the Ring. Sauron would try to pincher Thraduil's forces but the Elves would come out victorious. Tolkien wrote that there may have been a contingency of Elves at the Black Gates.
I watched this and the video about thranduils father but I cannot find an answer. In the Hobbit when Thranduil tells thorin "do not tell me of dragon fire for I have faced the great serpents of the north" and he reveal burn scars on his face. Is this just movie drama or did something happen in Thranduils past for him to receive these scars?
No its pronounced "Thran-Doo-eel" as you can see in Tolkiens books and other writings. The Hobbit movies takes up the Tolkien Pronunciation too. How did you make it "Th-Ron-doo-eel" if I can ask you?
@@chucknorris202 how do you come to three syllables. Haldir adresses Legolas as 'Thrandruillion' . the Thranduil part sounds like "Thran-dweel". Which rhymes with how Gimli Pronounced Emyn Muil: "Emmin Mweel" and they had a Sindarin linguist who helped the actors how to pronounce certain vowels I therefore think it's two syllables. Thran dweel
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Hey guys, I'm sorry I couldn't publish a video last week but I was really busy trying to complete this one! Hopefully it's worth missing an episode for ;) I'd also love to hear your thoughts on Thranduil. Is he your favourite Elven king? And do you prefer his portrayal in the movies or in the books?
Dont worry. In my opinion i suggest to take your time.
I always do! ;)
The wait is worth it. Do you think you could do a vid on the battle of unnumbered tears?
I'd love to, though I think it would be best if I explore more of the First Age before I cover that topic, as quite a few events lead up to it
Do you know if you could do a video on Bolg and what became of him
I think Thranduil is one of the most underappreciated characters in the Legendarium. He has no special power, he isn’t even a light-elf: but he was able to achieve great deeds through wisdom, kindness, courage and hard work. That makes him inspirational to the reader in a way that most of the elven characters are not.
I think Thranduil is a very reasonable King and ally. He has a good heart and will only fight when he must, which is something other Kings can learn from.
Right. Elves live SO long, they see what the real deal is.
Thranduil has been my favorite elf for as long as I've been a fan of Tolkien's works. I think Lee Pace did a phenomenal job in the hobbit movies. He showed the grit of an older elf that contrasted well with Legolas' young optimism.
People may disagree but I think the casting was amazing for him in the hobbit awesome vid yet again !!
Yeah I think his casting was great (and I imagine most people share this opinion) while his portrayal is a lot more controversial
I personally agree as well. Most of us don't like the way the story was told in the movie, but the acting was so great! (My opinion so plz no one get triggered lmao)
If you read the comment section of RUclips videos about Thranduil, there are endless fangirls saying how they have the hots for Thranduil and how Thranduil was perfectly cast. It’s pretty funny.
@@hindsightpov4218 same thing for Aidin turner aka kili people are rather strange I mean how would want to ever have a romantic relationship
I find none of casting wrong and I like Lee Pace as Thranduil (though The Hobbit films are the only ones I have seen with Pace). The only critism I have is that Peter Jackson should have been more obvious with that the jewels were meant for his wife as it is too vague in the films. If he'd done that we would see more sympathy for him but now comes across as a selfish bastard until Legolas stops him from killing Tauriel.
Thranduil is my favorite elf. He has an extreme amount of charm xD
I think after seeing his character in the movies, people either love him or hate him! 😂
And he's the father of Legolas, so gotta love him more!
@@GeekZoneMT Not only seeing - that voice that Lee Pace has... *melting awaaaaay*, so, yes, I am another one of those fan "girls".
Despite the fact that in this world, I am older than Lee Pace. ;-)
@@jenniferbaldini3527 Funny - I always think, the best thing about Legolas is his daddy ;-) And Legolas is cute to begin with ;-)
@@JoyofWhisper unfortunately lee pace is gay
Lee pace had such a regal presence in the movies... You didn't have to know he was a King to know he was a King.
Thank you so much, so little is told of Thranduil and Greenwood/Mirkwood.
He was a great king, able to hold Greenwood together even without the help of an Elven ring of power.
You're welcome buddy! :)
I know originally I thought he was just mean and grumpy and didn't care about anything but the gems etc... now it's like... ok so he's a good guy after all. LOL
Lee Pace was perfect portraying Thranduil. He was magnificent being the mysterious cold regal elvin king.❤️❤️❤️
I’m not too much into changing the books, but I’ll take a whole movie of Lee Pace as Thranduil. They can make the whole thing up, I don’t care.😬
@Mango T. Lol
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😆😆😆 yep...I'm with you on the comment.
I love Thranduil and Lee's portrayal of the character. 🧝🏻♂️
Rita Kaszás Lee really was the perfect Thranduil
He’s an emoji 😇🧝♂️
Anyone else here who is hoping the upcoming Amazon series will give us more of Thranduil? I mean, he WAS around in the 2nd age. Him and his father leaving Doriath and finally founding the realm of Greenwood the Great would make splendid material for the series.
I liked the parts of the Hobbit where they were going through his kingdom.
Yeah I think they did a good job portraying it!
Me too. The journey through Mirkwood and escape with barrel-riding was one of my favorite parts when I read the book for the first time.
He's the only reason for my love of the hobbit series. A true king who cared for his people above all and everything. ❤️
bruh...
I love him but wasn’t he about to fight over a necklace and a box of shiny rocks?
@@TheTermin8tar Well, in the book he has the line: "Long will I tarry ere I start a war for gold". Book and movie Thranduil are out of synch in some matters. So, book Thranduil would NOT have started a fight for gems and a necklace.
Seriously, how can anyone love the Hobbit movies?
@@JPCPSeto how can anyone don't like them ? 🙄🤔
He is one of my favorite characters because he used his magic to safe guard his people. The call of the sea and the west were what would worry him most. As Legolas was lost to the west, he was proved correct.
I loved the additions they made in the movie about his story, gave him more depth than just greed. Although of course not counting his actual backstory about his father since that doesn't really play into the hobbit. Lee Pace portrayed him beautifully, so elegant yet sharp. I really adore his strength, despite not having a ring of power he managed his kingdom well enough to thrive despite the onslaughts of darkness. That's one bamf if I ever saw one💕
I wish they had kept in there the part where the jewels Thranduil wanted were his wife's. It wasn't about greed but him wanting something that was meant for his wife. That's not in the books either, but it did make his intentions a little more noble. The Dwarves were basically in the wrong. They were trespassing and Thranduil just wanted compensation for helping them on their quest.
@@Paulafan5 trueeee
@@Paulafan5 I was going to say that. They were HIS. Imagine if you went to go get some stones set by a jeweler, and they said “nope, gonna keep them”. And THEN ambushed and killed the guys who were supposed to go fetch them!
Mr. Pace created such the remarkable Elvenking of Mirkwood. He combined in his image the unmatchable characters: the huge height and extraordinary grace of movements, stern male eyebrows and gentle female gaze, capriciously pursed lips with firm and haughty expression of the mouth, power and fury of a real warrior with icy composure. The Greeks had a notion - charisma - an elegance combined with the power. That's exactly what he meant.
Mr. Pace is worthy to be called the Elvenking of Mirkwood.
The movie cast the perfect actor as Thranduil. I can't even imagine seeing him walking around on the streets like everyone else. He had his issues, but I really liked him.
3:30 that’s the reason why Thranduil had that thousand yard stare moment in the 2nd hobbit film. When that Orc mentioned that he served “The One” (aka. Sauron), Thranduil’s ptsd from the Last Alliance kicked into overdrive.
My favorite elven King? Absolutely Thranduil 😏
Man his character is so good, and he has done so many things, that made his realm or the near livings live better.
But I love how people think about his perhaps, wife. That maybe she died, and Thranduil, because of this loss, never speaked about it.
We need to remember that the Elves of mirkwood remained for many AGES
They didn't leave middle Earth after lord of the rings?
@@norellmarksalaan9587 I personally think they did
The books are too deep, too grand in scope for the movies to have done it close justice. I really, really liked the movies, so that says how much more I feel about the books.
Yeah though perhaps they could have made him less 'cruel'.
GeekZone I agree. In the book he was kind and just.
@@GeekZoneMT I dont know I feel like it made him really interesting. The cruelty wasnt so great either aside from his relation with the Dwarves
@@kennethsatria6607 yeah I mean I felt he was being pretty reasonable in trying to negotiate with Thorin in the movie… yet despite that Thorin decides to be stubborn and insult Thranduil which obviously doesn’t leave him with no choice but to keep them imprisoned..
Thranduil in the movies was Gorgeous! Perfect casting.
Thranduil suffered PTSD from his early life as an Elvin lord. That is why he was so reclusive.
Lee's portrayal was so camp but it fit the movie so well. He was like a male version of Miranda Priestly. Cold, calculating, aloof but underneath, melancholic.
Although we know that Legolas was the son of Thranduil, Tolkien never really clarified whether the Elvenking might have had more than one child. 'The Heart of the Wild', the region guide to Mirkwood for The One Ring Roleplaying Game, even states that "when [Thranduil] is off hunting, he usually leaves one of his sons as seneschal." Nothing else has been done with that idea to the best of my knowledge, nor does the guide have anything to say about Thranduil's queen.
I always assumed that Thranduils wife/Queen(legolas' mother) either passed over sea to the Undying lands before the events seen in the Hobbit and LOTR and its aftermath, or else she died. Elves dont divorce, or separate like the race of Men do, in Middle Earth. So the fact that she isnt seen or spoken of makes me think shes not around anymore.
@@chucknorris202 We don't get to spend any time in the Woodland Realm in 'The Lord of the Rings', but the fact that Thranduil's queen isn't so much as mentioned in 'The Hobbit' does suggest that she's not around anymore for whatever reason. It's too bad that we will never know if Tolkien would have addressed this question in his unfinished 1960 rewrite of 'The Hobbit'. The Middle-earth Role Play game (MERP) from Iron Crown Enterprises did include Thranduil's spouse in the game supplement 'Halls of the Elven-king'. Here she was presented as Lady Arhendhiril.
@@otaku-sempai2197 games are like fan fiction. They put out what may be catching fans to their garbage to make money.
@@ladyalaina42 Well, I should have emphasized that the excerpt from 'The Heart of the Wild' is non-canonical. The One Ring is an excellent RPG though; certainly not garbage.
Love him!! Beautiful illustrations
It's not that I preffer the ones in the movies, but it did feel more interesting and 3dimensional. For all my hatred of the Hobbit film trilogy, the moment when Thranduil shows his hidden scars seemed epic to me. I imagined his real invaded by cold drakes from the Grey Mountains, the same that expelled the dwarves, and their epic struggle.
Yeah, I think they did add some cool backstory to his character (the scars were fascinating!)
@@GeekZoneMT some people say that grief and sadness is shown as scars on elves, considering they can die of a broken heart as well as in battle.
@@silk.and.cologne people can also die of a broken heart
How can a drake be cold? Does it breath ice?
@@Prince_the_One I’m not sure that’s the EXACT reason because a ‘broken heart’ is just a term.
I have not known about Thranduil until this year!!! Even though I first read the Hobbit when I was eight! But now he has become my favourite character, even though I feel the movie did not do him justice. There was no colour in his palace, and although it was obvious he liked nice clothes, even he needed a soft place to sleep, but there was no softness anywhere. So I like the images you have now put in my head about how his magic could make the place look beautiful. Thank you!
a very underrated elf in the third age
This was a great story about our beloved Thranduil. Lee Pace was fabulous at portraying him. I wish they had shown more of him in "The Hobbit" trilogy. He's such any interesting character. I'm writing a novel about him and his life story. Still have quite a lot to cover on it. I'd love to see him brought into the tv series being created by Amazon. All his fans should contact them and express this desire.
That’s really cool! You should definitely come back and let us know when you’ve finished it! I would definitely love to read it!☺️🙏
I’d like to read your novel!
Thranduil has been my favorite character since I first read The Hobbit over 30 years ago. Powerful, mysterious, and pure class. I also loved the movies renditions of him. Almost exactly how I had imagined him. Lee Pace was fantastic 👌
Your videos are always the best, i feel like such a kid when i watch them. Your voice is so calming
Thanks Lupito! I'm glad you enjoy them mate :)
Awesome! I had always considered Thranduil as Nandor rather than Sindar. Sindar gives him a much more powerful edge to his story...to have escaped the sack of Menegroth and then the Mouths of the Sirion...and go on to found a lasting kingdom in the Greenwood! Nice!
It does kind of make you realize why Thranduil was the way he was (both in the book and the movies). After seeing the wars and battles he had seen and his people get decimated again and again it's easy to understand his isolationism.
Some of the artwork shown in this video is beautiful!! ❤
Thranduil’s crown was more or less what I expected to look on film. But I wasn’t expecting at all that his clothes looked like he was the rock star of elves. I thought his clothes would look similar to Elrond’s clothes, even though they are from different elven kingdoms.
The movie made him far too theatrical in my opinion. Rather unrealistic for a Woodland elf king.
@@ladyalaina42 i thought it fit the cartoonesque and glossy style of the film. They purposely made him look like he was styled by Tom Ford. He was such a diva and I loved it.
@@GullibleTarget never mind the Hobbit book our eleven king. Jackson failed Tolkien and me as a reader as well. He lost the esssence and is done for me.
@@ladyalaina42 but Thranduil himself was a Sindarin elf and lived throughout the first age where Elu Thingol and Melian ruled and Sindar thrived. Obviously something from that age stayed within him. For me, his looks and attitude weren't unrealistic.
It would be awesome if you did a video about the cities of Middle Earth, from the past and from the present, witch reign they are in, their people, and for example, what happened to the old cities of Arnor, they became complete ruins? Where did it's people go? Love your content, best LORT Chanel in the RUclips
Hey man that's a cool topic, I'll add it to my list of future videos! :)
Wonderful as always.
Say what you will, but Lee Pace's portrayal of Thranduil was otherworldly. With most characters - I read the books before I watched the movies - where, when I think of them, I imagine them as imagined them when I read the books. Not Thranduil. Lee Pace's performance was really off the scale.
The world should have seen much more of Pace. I'm afraid that sir Ian McGellen did Grinner Lee a great disservice by 'outing him' so early in his career..There was very much more to Lee Pace than being a champion for social justice and woke queerulousness...
Yes, one of my favorite Elven Kings.
Lee Pace is forever Thranduil.
I haven't read the book yet but saw the movies. All I can say is, I love him lmao
Thank you very much this is something I have been waiting for
We are also grateful to you for your superb storytelling. I wish I could loop these many tales but I'm sure something would be lost in doing so.
I wonder if thranduil's treasure obsession with treasure was influenced by thingol because in the silmarilion thingol tells beren to get a silmaril from morgoth and that drew the attention of the feanorians
I doubt it's a connection. The only reason King Thingol asked Beren to do that in the first place is because he thought he wouldn't do it and leave Luthien alone
I love your video's. I love Thranduil's character in the books more than the movie...
Thanks Chester! Yeah I feel the movies could have shown more of his kindhearted and generous side
I Agree! The movies made him look like a douche
You answered my question about his scars on his face. Made up by Jackson along with tauriel
he was a great elf but sure as hell wasn't much of a jailer.
but a hell of a protector, in the movies i thought that his sword moves at light speed, men so fast
What a joy to find a GeekZone video I hadn't watched before.
I do wish that you hadn't given up on the channel. 😊❤❤❤❤❤❤😊
Can you do a history video on morgoth
Yeah I plan to, I'd imagine it will be my longest video yet!
Thank you for a great video! What a treat for the weekend!
Whenever I say something I always imagine saying it as thranduil does specifically when he tells taruail that the humans will die in the 3rd hobbit film
I'll have to find this scene now, cause I can't recall what it was like 😂
@@GeekZoneMT ruclips.net/video/jSZDf_Ewy1U/видео.html
YES they will DIE!😂😂😂 funny on film. In real life it's sociopathic.😂😂😂
@@GullibleTarget I have been called a scyopath before
I’ve been looking forward to this video from you !!
I love Thranduil's portrayal in Hobbit. He was so different than Galadriel and Elrond much more cynical and bitter and bit of a bastard but fair and a great king to his people. Such an interesting character the movie made him since we don't really know his personality in the books
I simply can't get enough. Im still waiting for the day when a Middle Earth game such as LOTRO is brought to life and we can revisit such places with higher quality visuals. Id love something that takes place in the 1st or 2nd age since most everyone is very familiar with the third age. Anyways thank you for what you do! Consider making a displate art series or something so I can buy them all and support you!
Brilliant video, great narration, as always GZ
At 5:38 you follow the History of Galadriel and Celeborn: "his halls were not to be compared with Menegroth. He had not the arts nor the wealth nor the aid of the Dwarves..." But Gimli the Dwarf takes issue: "and Dwarves helped in their making long ago" ('The Road to Isengard'). Sorry if the point has been made before
You know at this point we’re waiting for a GeekZone Movie lol. Perhaps a story of your own? Weren’t you working on a book?
At the moment I'm actually working on an indie game with a friend of mine! :)
@@GeekZoneMT So is it a game about LotR or the Hobbit? Idk what an indie game is btw xD
@@silk.and.cologne "indie game" is a term used to denote a game made by an "independent developer". Usually, this includes any group or individual who does not have the backing of a major corporation, like, say, EA.
Amazingly detailed and very interesting videos as always. You make great content that keeps unlocking new secrets and ideas to LOTR and it's always great to explore.
Great video as always! I personnally don't care about schedule, and one video a week sounds like a lot to me! It's totally fine I think if you take your time and don't feel stressed. That's the price for quality... and don't worry, your videos are so well documented that I take pleasure watching them several times, because I can never remember everything!
I have a slight question: did Thranduil eventually take the Straight Road and went to the Undying Lands, or did he and his people choose to remain faithful to their homeland of Middle Earth and fade there? More generally, if you ever need a subject for a video, maybe doing one about the eventual fate of the different Elf peoples in Middle Earth would be interesting (which ones came back or simply went to Valinor, which ones remained) :)
Thanks man! We're never told whether Thranduil eventually traveled to the Undying Lands though I think it's more likely that he remained in Mirkwood and faded eventually :(
I loved your vídeo about Thranduil! ! !
Sure, he's a bit of a dick, but imagine the strain of being a good king for thousands of years. In Middle-Earth, no less. Shelob's children, Sauron in disguise, errant orc raiding parties. Dwarves and a halfling repeatedly crashing your drunken midnight raves. So, I've learned to cut Thranduil a little leniency, in regards to his treatment of outsiders. Yeh, he aight in my books lol
Edit: Lee Pace was magnificent as King Thranduil. Jussayin
Awesome!!! My favorite elven king n elf by far. Excellent video 💖 wish he was in the trilogy luv luv him✌️
Thanks Susanne! Do you prefer him over the kings of the Noldor?
@@GeekZoneMT not really who are all the Noldor Kings are but I'm trying to reread the silmarillium(?) That's why I have your channel to help me out✌️
Great job! I love your videos so much! You inform me so much on Middle Earth and answer alot of my questions. Thank you so much👍 # my favorite RUclipsr
You're welcome buddy! Feel free to share any questions any time! :)
It means alot to have my favorite RUclipsr respond to me♥️
He was my favorite character in the Hobbit with perfect actor to play him
Nice detail of the story.
The Hobbit movies have a huge impact on me and my mom because of the good storytelling and some of them had dark past.
I love these videos, i am learning alot; that i didn't know about all the different things about middle-earth.
I wish we could've seen more of Thranduil in the LOTR trilogy. I wonder did he stay or did he take the journey to the Undying Lands
I believe he eventually went to the Underlying Lands to be with his family, his father, mother, wife and son Legolas. Legolas had to leave Middle Earth and left with Gimli after Aragorn andArwen died. And, Thranduil probably convinced his people, who loved him, to go with him.....
Another great video I love all of your work keep it up
Thanks Donnovan!
No problem I’ll keep waiting for more
Hell yeah, great video! Thank you Karl!
Thrandiel and Elrond?
How come they are never together or in battle together? Thrandiel and Galadriel?
Do they communicate?
Is there a hierarchy of leadership?
Differences between Elrond and THrandiel?
It must suck to be a pointy eared elven princeling I mean your the prince that's great but you'll never be king being imortal and if you kill your father then he's likely to come back from the undying land and give you a very strongly worded letter detailing his disappointment
In appendix, Return of the King, Legolas took a group of Woodland elves to Ithilien and established an elven colony there and helped with the restoration of several cities before leaving for Valinor after the death of Aragorn.
I wonder, am I the only one who doesn't like Thranduil in the film? And that's a pity indeed, for you made me realize how much sadness lies in his real character's story. Anyway, your voice is enchanting as usual, good job!
Thanks Vanessa! I think his movie portrayal was a bit too cruel and uncaring (especially when compared to the source material) :(
I think my watching this video by GeekZone helped me understand Thranduil better and appreciate his animosity towards the Dwarves. If I am understanding it correrctly, the elves had some jems and gave them to the Dwarves to modify them somehow, I guess to make them produce a light from inside them, and then the Dwarves either tried to keep them or tried to extract a higher payment for their transformative work than was earlier agreed upon.
Another great video, love this channel. I prefer Thrandull from the books to be honest.
Thanks :D is there anything in particular that bothers you about his movie portrayal?
@@GeekZoneMT The movie betrayed him as being more cold hearted than what he actually was.
I love that Thranduil wasn't a complete ass
One of the greatest elves of all😍
I’m happy with the casting of Thranduil. But I can’t help but wonder how Thranduil would have been played by Doug Jones who was originally cast when Guillermo del Toro was attached to direct the Hobbit films.
Doug Jones is good... when he's in a full body costume. But Lee Pace was brilliant and at the end you realize he wasn't really a bad guy at all. He was never "bad", just an obstacle for the Dwarves. The Dwarves were often in the wrong.
Thranduil the greatest Elven Kings
Well....I get his obsession for silver. The beautiful grey.... shimmering in the sun light, like.....see? Obsession.
Thranduil is my favorite elf and I thought Lee Pace did a superb job in portraying him. However, I thought the way his character was developed in the movies was not true to how Tolkien envisioned him, and did not like how he was so misrepresented simply for the sake of dramatic effect. I did however, enjoy the depth of character that was portrayed and the interesting backstory. In truth, Thranduil deeply cared about his people and was a kind and generous king, even though his past experiences caused him to be distrustful of outsiders. He was not the greedy racist that Peter Jackson characterized in the film. To make matters worse, Jackson never fully developed his invented backstory in the film to clearly explain Thranduil’s motivations. This was a major mistake, and the audience was simply left to wonder why he was so desperate to reclaim the necklace. Had Jackson completed Thranduil’s character arc, I think more people would not have hated him, but instead would have realized that he was actually a genuine and sympathetic character, tormented by the losses he had suffered.
You did a fine job with the video in setting the record straight on Thranduil’s true history, except that I think you should have pointed out that Tolkien never states whether or not Thranduil remained in Middle Earth. There are many Tolkien scholars who believe there are enough clues to make a strong case that he did ultimately sail at a later date in the Fourth Age. We will never know for sure, but this remains a topic of debate.
He's like the most fashionable king
Maybe one of you LOTR Subject Matter Experts can help me out on something I read about regarding the history of the Silvan Elves as it pertains to the forest of Mirkwood or Greenwood the Great as it was known before becoming tainted by Sauron a'la The Necromancer. So it would seem to me Sauron's arrival in the forest and his establishment of a second home outside of Mordor known as Dol Guldor was made possible due to the Silvan Elve's abandonment of the southern half of the realm along with its capital city Amon Lanc which occurred long before the dark lord's arrival there. All Sauron had to do was simply move into the deserted remains of Amon Lanc renaming it Dol Guldor after which he did some remodeling to make the place more Mordorish and Presto! he had a nice bachelor pad in the woods. It was the reason that Thranduil and his Silvan Elves chose to relocate their Woodland Realm to the north of Ye Olde Forest Road far to the north that I'm kind of fuzzy on. The bit of research I've done on the subject suggests the Elves of Lorien led by none other than Galadriel herself were more or less encroaching upon Silvan territory in the south of Greenwood the Great which caused the relocation to the north in effort to maintain their isolationist preferences. I'm a bit curious what that was all about. Kinda seems like a total Dick Move on Galadriel's part if you ask me...or have I got the facts wrong?
Thanks to those Dwarves I didnt even need to lay siege to Doriath. Very nice of them to help me out.
Love your videos!👍❤
Just one quick correction, the dwarves of Belegost did not destroyed Doriath, the dwarves of Nogrod did it.
But did he go to the undying lands or stay in middle earth untill the end?
It is mostly believed that he stayed and faded away along with his realm as Tolkien never mentions him going to the West.
It is a matter of debate since Tolkien never says one way or the other. There are Tolkien scholars who point out references that could strongly indicate that Thranduil did eventually sail to the Undying Lands. There are also other reasons he would have wanted to leave, given that he was an Eldar and that both his father and son both did. Also, if you check out Tolkien’s poem called “The Last Ship”, it is quite possible that Thranduil departed.
For all of you people, who are wondering if Elves are real, Yes they are..and also dwarves, but there should be no rivalry between them because elves are in another level. Now, I'm not talking about the movies nor the books of Tolkien. This movie might be a work of great author, but Tolkien's had references why he managed to create a wondrous magical concept. First let's talk about Elves, in His Lore, he called the beautiful taller beings, Elves, but in our language we called them differently, we happened to know them that they are Real, existing, but cannot be seen in a plain sight. They are more than magical, they actually are powerful beings, lesser deity I say because of how they combat the forces of dark side. Very few people had this privilege to encountered them..so it's not a surprise mankind as general refuse to acknowledge their existence. Their home can only be access by magical portal,usually located in a very remote area( old forest, mountains ).People who had encountered these beings,described them as very tall, beautiful and graceful, with pointy ears, some have wings of dragonfly, glowing, their hair is like a corn hair,( I meant the color, maybe not all have same color), very long , reaching down to their butts, the dress is also long but has this impression of thin flowing transparent gown. I don't know much about the males though, except that some people mentioned that Males of their kind are tall,(of course ) handsome, very fair, with long hair and pointy ears.sounds familiar to you? Please take note, that we know these beings exist before even the releasing of Lord of the Rings' movies).I also heard a handful of accounts from other people from my place ,that whenever our white witch doctors are struggling with the powerful evil entities they asked, or rather invoke these beings for help...so yes they are helpful as well as powerful. The only difference with the Elves here in Tolkien's Lore, they are almost warriors, whereas in real life, I don't have any idea if they know how to combat physically, like using swords,daggers and so on. From what I heard about them, they can combat evil entities, dark forces with ease by just using their power...so not sure about swordfighting though.in regard with the dwarves, these beings are also enchanted, meaning their abode is unaccessible to mankind, magical and all but cannot compare with the power of " Elves". In regard with the treasures, yes, that's true. Dwarves are the keepers of land treasure whereas the Elves are the Guardian/Keeper of Nature , of how the things work on Earth..the changing of seasons, the natural order of nature..and so on..and lastly, Orcs. Tolkien's referred them as Orcs, but in reality, they belong to dark forces in enchanted realms, possessing black Magick .they are responsible for making people sick and putting mankind in danger, it's them and their minions are those beings White Witch doctors are opposing every now and then in our place. There are times, good dwarf assist those white witches doctor to win, but in case the power of the enemy is too great, It's the 'Elves' who help to ensure victory. That is fact and reality!!but for some people , it's BS. I am not going to blame you though, but I am telling you the truth, I do not care if people believe it or not.
For more glorious that it can be to the eyes, the movies are merely adaptations of everything written in a paper (or computer), but first written.
Of course the one portraited on the books.
Hollywood should make a movie about what Thranduil was going through while Frodo and company were taking the ring to be destroyed. Only Thranduil's part in all that. Should make it soon so Lee Pace can play the part again.
Where are you getting your info about the thanduil and dwarves “basic imitation of Doriath” idea from? Cause I’ve never heard of it, ever and I’m quite a Tolkien knowledgeable
That part was made for him
So Thranduil didn't travel to the Undying Lands after the destruction of the one Ring?
No :(
If Thranduil did sail for the Undying Lands then Tolkien never wrote about it. We are left to assume that he remained in Middle-earth and eventually faded along with the rest of his realm.
@@otaku-sempai2197 Not necessarily. There are many Tolkien scholars who believe that there are clues and clear reasons to believe Thranduil may have sailed later in the Fourth Age. But, we won’t know for sure since Tolkien never directly stated one way or the other.
According to the Tolkien Appendix A, that Legolas, with Thranduil's permission brought a group of Woodland elves south and dwelt in Ithilien until King Elessar died, then he built a ship and sailed over sea to Valinor.
@@ladyalaina42 Yes, and it is alleged that Gimli accompanied Legolas to the Undying Lands, the only Dwarf to make the journey.
So wait Thranduil went to get the gems before the drwarfs, thats why he knew about Smaugh? I kinda wanted to know how Thranduil got the scar on his face.
You cannot get that music by me. I'm hearing Times Change from WoW's Warlords of Dreanor trailer.
But it fits.
What happened to him?
Did he die or fade or disappear?
It's hard to say. I imagine he eventually faded just like most of the other Elves in Middle-Earth that didn't return to the Undying Lands :(
@@GeekZoneMT Funny, I always assumed that he eventually traveled to the Undying Lands with Celeborn probably , I had no idea that other than Elladan and Elrohir...and Maglor... any other elves had stayed in Middle Earth to fade. That actually makes me sad.
@@bluezauza it isn’t known whether Thranduil sailed to the Undying Lands or not. Tolkien never directly says, but there is good reason to believe that he did eventually sail. It is a matter of debate and one can find references that do point to the possibility that he did leave Middle Earth.
I wouldn't be too concerned about missing a week, because the quality of your vids matter more than the quantity, and they are always a work of quality. I'm not a fan of peter Junkson and pretty much despise his films, so nothing else needs be said. As for Thranduil, I can appreciate his distaste for the Noldor whose calamities seemed to overtake "peaceful" Beleriand and ruin Thranduil's birth home but a wiser King would recognize that it will have happened anyway, Noldor or no, and probably will have happened worse had they not been present.
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Thranduil and his father had the desire to escape Noldorin influence, which is why they refused to remain in Eriador under Gilgalad as everybody knows, but their prejudice led, in my opinion, to errors of judgement in the fact that they didn't bring with them to the primitive wood elves more of the advanced power, knowledge and technology that the Noldor brought with them to the Sindar in Middle Earth. I see it as a King's responsibility to bring every advantage to their people and not leave them in a second class state that would subject them to such an enormous failure as occurred in the battle of the Last Alliance, where it was said their technology was not contemporary to that of the Elves of the West and it left them vulnerable to the face wiping they received at the hands of Sauron's armies. The lack of advanced Western technology, in spite of it having existed by that point for centuries in Beleriand, implies that no renaissance accompanied the Sindar as they intruded on their simpler cousins.
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Both Thranduil and his dad would have seen for themselves the danger presented by the dark powers and how even superior Elves were mopped up by the dark armies. They will have seen the elevation of Thingol by his association with the light, through Melian, and they will have seen over and over again the futility of believing that such great evil as existed then in Middle Earth would simply leave them in peace to live a simpler, rustic life among the quaint, wild wood elves of Mirkwood. It's unclear how these Sindar princelings managed to persuade the Nandor to take them as their Kings but it's obvious they considered themselves worthy of the task. yet they failed bigly in the most basic, elemental arena of rulership- the advancement, empowerment and greater welfare of the people laid on a foundation firmly established with every advantage on the very best of every new, innovative and modern thing available.
I wonder if thranduil lived he would have fought in the battle of minus tirith
He was alive during that time :)
The Elves of Mirkwood were fighting their own battles during the War of the Ring. Sauron would try to pincher Thraduil's forces but the Elves would come out victorious. Tolkien wrote that there may have been a contingency of Elves at the Black Gates.
Read the appendices of lord of the ring.
What made you assume he was dead?
I watched this and the video about thranduils father but I cannot find an answer. In the Hobbit when Thranduil tells thorin "do not tell me of dragon fire for I have faced the great serpents of the north" and he reveal burn scars on his face. Is this just movie drama or did something happen in Thranduils past for him to receive these scars?
That was a Jackson movie invention, Tolkiens Elevnking in the Hobbit has no blemishes.
I believe his name is actually pronounced Th-Ron- doo-eel
No its pronounced "Thran-Doo-eel" as you can see in Tolkiens books and other writings. The Hobbit movies takes up the Tolkien Pronunciation too. How did you make it "Th-Ron-doo-eel" if I can ask you?
@@chucknorris202 how do you come to three syllables. Haldir adresses Legolas as 'Thrandruillion' . the Thranduil part sounds like "Thran-dweel". Which rhymes with how Gimli Pronounced Emyn Muil: "Emmin Mweel" and they had a Sindarin linguist who helped the actors how to pronounce certain vowels
I therefore think it's two syllables. Thran dweel
Imagine if a new lotr game came out set around the time of the silmarilion, ah that'd be really cool. And u could pick if u want to play as a orc or elf. (Random thought I know) lol
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@@GeekZoneMT Haha right?🙈
Omg it'd be so epic
I can wait I have time, if haughty was a person
I do not believe this i will not believe it because my heart is sinking and am panicking and i am about to cry
Lee Pace physically was a great choice but the direction given to him turned what should have been a badass in to a cartoon character.