Current Taekwondo is not conditioned for a real fight. WTF TKD sparring uses protectors. That is the reason why, whenever Karate throw a punch The TKD guy can't take the pain. TKD needs to be conditioned in a full contact fight in order to compete with Kyokushin Karate / Muay THai / Other martial arts. They have good kickings but they don't have a good BODY ARMOUR.
I cant speak for others who do taekwondo but, I've taken it upon myself to spar without body armor and condition my body so that my style of taekwondo could go up against harder styles like muay thai and kyokushin. Keup!
tae kwon do used to be a militaristic type of fighting which was ground based the problem is because it was short ranged. when the arial kicks were adopted it changed the art abit. the kicks can be potentaily deadly if performed with the right timing and accuracy but it is almost rendered useless when the man is right in ur face. this shows how things change over time
Well said. I've trained in WTF Taekwondo, and I've moved on to Muay Thai. Sparring in WTF Taekwondo now seems rather tame. Plus we were never taught about dealing with people that come in close.
Kyokushin has open tournaments all the time where people from other styles can come. I personally went to 2 of those in Europe (I did Goju-Ryu karate at the time). Lots of fun, tough fighters and very good challenge. In the US I'm sure you can find at least a couple. But unless you're used to endurance training (like getting hit for real all the time) I won't recommend it
Karate makes body tough which can endure injury and pain beauty about karate is this it accepts and respects other fighting styles I have brief experience of shotokan karate which taught me many things.
the one with yellow hand mitts is TKD. Regardless of style it's how good the actual person is, and even then if they are equal in skill the one with the right mentallity will have the victory. Do you play to win or play not to lose?
I really think it depends on the fighter. I have trained Shotokan for 16 years. I have met guys that are Shotokan "die-hards" only, but every high ranking JKA, SKIF, & SKI instructor has always encourage cross-training. My American instructor had us training full-contact kickboxing. I love Shotokan, but have also trained Muay Thai, BJJ, Boxing, & Judo. Myself and other karateka from my studio have fought in American kickboxing matches, and amatuer MMA. Really depends on the student.
Well. given that I haven't done taekwondo for about a year now. I don't really do much of those kicks now but back when I did do it, yes my kicks were decent. But now I'm more concerned about how much damage I do with my kicks, not how fancy they are and not as much concern about its speed either. But at the same time, I took those step back counter round kicks to kyokushin and they work just fine. Is that what you're asking?
Cung Le gives his kicking credits to taekwondo and Bas also said there is no ultimate art after studying in multiple arts which includes MT Tkd and Karate. There u have it ultimate keyboard fighters
You are wrong my boy. Korea had its own MA called Taekyon (a striking art) and Yusul (a grappling art). During the Japanees occupation these arts were forced underground and many forms of MA were practiced until Gen. Choi mandated that TKD be known as Koreas offical MA.
that's false story. Taekondo was called and taught as Karate in Japa days.Taekyon was not MA. that's just culture. Actually, Taekondo is very similar to Japanese Shotokan Karate. 'Cause Taekondo uset to be Karate. the fals story was made by Taekondo founder after independence of Korea. as a fact, Karate came from Southern China.you can see Southern Chinese MA in Karate. also in Taekondo you can see same influence of southern chinese MA. that's the evidence Taekondo original is Karate. anyway, if you believe the false story as you told,I can show you evident that korean Taekondo founder, it means Karate master in Korea told he made the false story.
@TheColosseum09 The karate guy is not the one with gloves~~ The red ribbon hanging there is for the judge the give score to white or red side. The guy with gloves's uniform has a black collar which is Taekwondo's black belt uniform
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I would like to see how perform the kyokushin guys in wtf rules.
and i would like to see how perform the tkd when get the punchs . Hahahahaha
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Whatta comedian. All in the kyo comparsion videos I see the rules are all kyo rules. All style perform best in their own rules. Believe me the kyo fighters suffering bad by the head punches too.
@ikcjjtt and I already know he wasn't doing "Olympic TKD". He would use more "flashing" kicks he would have another kind of guard or only dodge his opponent attacks. Also he would move to the sides to avoid his kicks to get blocked. And as him being from ITF, I expected he would use better the punches.
@CentredOne what who would be consider the "worst practitioner"? someone who doesn't practice the style correctly? someone who supposely studys the style for a couple of years but doesn't practice it? or someone who just started learning the style for a couple of weeks?
"I fear with someone who trained 1 kick 10000 times than a person who know 10000 kick trained only 1 time". The conclusion is, you need to master only few technique. Kyokushin is trained with Straight punch (to face, ribs, stomach) and leg kick mostly in body conditioning training.
The main difference comes that TKD does not focus on endurance training. Kicks are highly emphasized and that's cool, but they def need more pain and getting more often. By getting hit, I mean getting hit for real, like punching bag hit.
It's very hard to say which martial art is dominant, especially when it comes to stand up. I did karate my entire life and learnt to respect everyone as I experienced each art. The only real trouble I was given was from Thai fighters and as you do you adapt a few things that you know work to incredible effect but also for every action is a opposite one so learning mauthai was a hinderence as I was also learning a combination of jujitsu and karate. I found mauthai and karate was very weak towards the more intense grappling higher ranking wrestlers especially when your tired and starting to slow. But you still have to learn to check and what not so it's all very difficult to decide anything. Each to their own, the trick is to train what your naturally good at and enjoy, go from there I think. Don't let videos decide what you should learn because one was victorious, the most humbling thing about fighting is that you learn there is always someone better.
Nothing stopiing the TKD from using all their kicks though, since they can kick to the head. Its obvious, and as expected, the Kyokushin fighter was simply more conditioned to take hits and dish it out.
TKD is not all mainly a long range fighting style and it moves pretty fast, im at a brown right now and mainly you just dodge the kicks thrown so you can counter because blocking would slow TKD down
The Taekwon Do fighter has got balls, Kyokushin is a brutal fighting style and to step on the mat to fight in a different fighting style takes guts. How well would the knockdown fighting do in a TKD tournament. A friend of mine Sensei Steve Fenwick from Shidokan is a great knockdown fighter and fought in Poland, France, Egypt etc and is tough as old boots was beaten 10-0 at a freestyle tournament. It's difficult stepping out of your comfort zone, but good for your knowledge and your spirit
Karate can take brutal beating to the body and leg. If Muay Thai can make a difference, that would be punches to the face and not kicks. Why don't you check out Muay Thai vs Kyokushin under Kyokushin Karate rule?
that goes for all fighting styles tho. the problem with ,as far as i've seen, all martial art competitions, is that the fighters dont want to hurt each other. that is to say their techniques arent usually fully executed, so a round house kick turns into a guy flailing his leg in the rough direction of his opponent. this tends to reduce most fights to two guys waving limbs at each other with very little considerd technique.
biggest advantage for the karate guy is his pain tolerance it looks like and the fact that he was the aggressor, this is why at a certain point taekwondo practitioners shouldnt use gear to spar so they can build the tolerance too.
@reybatistafan A really good tkd user doesn't have to worry about things like getting punched in the face. Bcuz I myself love to throw punches, more then kicks. But when I fight a friend of my who practises tkd, I rarely hit him with one of my punches. He keep me at a distant with kicks. And all I can do is block, I can't attack. That would mean exposing myself to his kicks. If you are able to get close or grab a leg and then quickly throw them to the ground, they are toasted. But if not...
No thats just an indicator of which side would be played. Like "aka" means red and starts from the left side while shiro means white starts from the right
Say I want to learn TKD and I go to a dojo. Will they teach me TKD as a martial art or as a sport oriented style of fighting? Or does that depend on teacher's choice? Cuz i have a friend who teaches tkd and he tells me it's different from what you see in tournaments, but i havent seen it yet! Is TKD as a martial art(eg:not sport) a decent one? Sorry for any confusing sentence/grammar mistakes
My issue is that the TKD guy did not go on the offense. The reality is is that yeah, you can win by bouncing around the guy and yielding to his advances, but you can also get cornered that way. If you actually attempt to push back, not necessarily physically but continue on through with the assault, it can help.
kyokushin specializes in treating the body as if it was harder than flesh it self and accepting that pain will come and u must keep moving forward TKD guy has great conditioning but punches need a bit more follow through but the body shots take its toll on you
people can argue for ever about which techniques are the best but really the reason why kyokushin often wins these things could be more easily attributed to the intensity of training than the style of fighting. that is why the tkd guy looks so worn out by about half way while the kyo fighter doesnt seem to break a sweat
yes but remember sport tkd fighters wear protective gear since there is a lot of kicks however here he wasnt wearing any due to the fact that karate fighters dont and a kick to the elbow hurts ALOT. so im sure he was just holding back to keep his foot intact.
@Hawaii0407 And the thing. I've seen the different between blue and blue belt myself. When I stared tkd. There were this 2 guy with blue belts. One of them I hated, bcuz he never fought nice when sparring. And one I was afraid of. And the one I hated, I didn't even had yellow when kicking his butt with pure tkd. But the other guy, I can't imagine myself be at his level even if I trained tkd for 6 year. So belts are bullshit. And once again, please tell me what experience YOU've.
Also the founder of Kyokushin was a Korean that studied Shotokan and Taekyon. He moved to Japan and started his onwn MA known today as Kyokushin. Google it or wikipedia it. The knowledge is out there.
Yes i agree.. But trust me man .. if you just move around in few second you will find him open af you can either knockout or do some serious dmg, unless you're a noob
In my opinion, there are some good Taekwondo fighters out there. Who ever came out with the full-contact style should probably be praised by all TKD fighters.
@reybatistafan 1) I've tested karate in 3 different clubs. Not "one". 2) I've never said I was good. A karate guy with black belt have whooped my ass as well a tkd guy with red. And frankly, I felt more pain with the tkd guy. 3) that vid. He kicked high, but that isn't the same thing as agility. It was like I said. That kick made him compensate something else. 4) I don't want to rip on karate. For me, every style works. The thing I wanted to tell you is that it depends on the person.
that may be true of sport taekwondo practitioners, but in full contact, you can kick to the legs and body then finish with strikes to the head. just the way it is in boxing, you want to wear your opponent out in contact sparring.
Ok guys here is the deal with tkd and kyokushin. I am a brown belt in kyokushin and a green belt in tkd. kyokushin has the advantage when it comes to close range combat. tkd should keep the enemy at a distance. and kyokushin is the most practical style of self defense. tkd is good, but you have to know how to use it.
Not really I've never seen a single TKD guy beat a Muay Thai guy probably because almost all Muay Thai fighters or just Thai fighters have lots of experience in actual fighting, TKD fighting is not really "fighting" if you ask me, they fight for points not to actually hurt and disable your opponent unlike Muay Thai fighters they always go for the kill.
no mater what it is said about the two arts in this case is practiced as a sprot with rules and restrictions it may make you stronger than the average person with no training but not a martial artist that has persied combat efectivness outside the ring
Why do fighters from other martial arts have to fight kyokushine fighters in kyokushine rules all the time. What would happen if some one try to fight a judoka in judo rules?
Both fighters looked good. It takes a lot to spar like that full force with no gear, the real Karate guy's do all the time. WTF Taekwondo fighter's go hard to that protective gear really doesn't help much, so respect for the WTF guy.
If the TKD knew how to keep his range which was near impossible, he would of done more damage... Then again for a black belt tkd guy his kicks are pretty sad.
Every time i see a kid practicing TKD, I always see them almost falling on their rear ends. o_0 This TKD fighter would benefit from the art of "Doing the splits". I'm suprized that he is a TKD fighter without it. :/
im a tae kwon do practitioner but ya.. i gotta say it depends on the fighter.. and i gotta say tae kwon do lacks the use of fists. i been to couple tae kwon do gyms but they all train their legs more than their fists. and kyokushin to me kinda seems like a lil kick boxing (japanese style)
@ChronosNAME0600 hey dude... don't they change stances when they're fighting ppl from other styles... also... taekwondo guy's robe was sewn down the front with black collar linings... while the karate guy's wearing a gi that you have to tie up, so as far as the uniforms go... kyokushin v. taekwondo would be pretty accurate
@reybatistafan I never did say I was a tkd fighter. But if you were mistaking me 4 it when I said I practised it I apologise. I understand that you thought I said tkd is "best" bcuz, lets face it. Everyone are saying that their martial art is best. But hear me out when I'm telling you that I've trained and tested several martial arts. That's why I know everything works. But that doesn't mean it works 4 you. That's why you've to create a style 4 yourself. Mixed or not mixed. It's up to you.
ITF is very different from WTF. I can tell which is which just by looking at the way the kicks look and are executed. I can not say which is better, as that depends not on the art but the practitioner, but WTF seems, from what I've seen, to focus more on speed and combo kicks. BTW, Choi speaks for ITF, not WTF. ITF is close to Karate, WTF isn't.
TKD actually does work but you have to be insanely good at it to employ its full power, and usually in fights kicks to the head just arent a good idea. Actually any art near mastery is pretty damn good, its just you don't see much of it in competitions because the ones who do it for 20+ yrs don't like fighting for audiences. Usually the growth in consciousness attained by high level martial artisits result in disinterest in competitions. Seriously though, these guys arent black belts.
la diferencia es mucha el taekondo es letal pero el karate kyokusin convina resistenacia y letalidad cosa q buena el tkd en el kumite usa protectores cosa q el kyokushin no por estan mas acostumbrados a mas c astigo el de tkd no esta acostumbradoa tanto castigo saludos
@Hawaii0407 I agree on what you´re saying. It´s hard 2 believe that tkd works in a real street fight considering what you have seen on the differents vids. I admit that almost all of these tkd guys sucked. But that doesn´t mean I will let comments that are disrespecting tkd go by. I have not trained martial arts 4 long. But I have tested a lot of differents types. I have sparred against many different style types as well. Both with there rules and non. The one I liked the most where MT and TKD.
give them continuous full contact sparring rules...the tables my turn.....TKD is not about one move, it is about multiple, opening up the opponent. This is why they train combos, not hitting once and waiting for the whistle....
the thing is that karate practitioners kick become so strong to the body that even sweeping the leg properly will bring him down but taekwondo kick are not that strong but an accurate one, if it is hit in the head they would become uncounsious.
What happened to him in the end that he grabbed his guts and fell down? But maybe his strengths were fighting with fists and thus from close range? We all have our pros and cons ;) I practice TKD, too and I didn't see the TKD dude doing much kicks(somewhy TKD is related to kicks only lol) so I see why it was hard for you to believe he was a TKD fighter. He did very well, though. Got kicked a lot and didn't give up or fall down of exhaustion.
None of them are using TKD of either WTF or ITF. Besides, never judge a martial art by whats allowed in its typical sparring, only the street fight can tell and usually the better conditioned fighter wins.
@Hawaii0407 Dude firstly, belt colour in my eyes are bullshit. It tells you nothing about the other one. Secondly, I did say my style is not tkd, I'm a mma fighter. That's also the reason why I only have yellow. I've trained several martial arts. Cuz I believe that every martial art have something useful. And tkd has it flaws, but so does boxing. And combined you will have the best kicks and best punches. And if noticed, I've never spoke about my tkd.
for all of you, there is two TKD just likeve shkeat says, the ITF created by the general Choi, This is THE TEAKWON-DO ITF, and the WTF based on the traditionnal kick and punch koran anciant technics aged for centuries, just for you to know it is the general Choi who gives this art the sames names as his own Taekwondo. know you all spead about the WTF olympic style, but never try to know what is the WTF traditionnal style, it is just like the ITF in fact, 40% kicks and 60% punch.
@ikcjjtt Don't know, but traditional TKD reminds me too much of Hapkido, I see little diffrence,and ITF looks too showstyle, I'm not saying TKD is bad, I'm training Ninjitsu for over 10 years and BJJ for 4, and now I'm looking into TKD
Luckily, we train technics, patterns, movements, coördination and the other basics of TKD more than sparring. Actually, there isn't sparring unless you feel like sparring and say it.
The problem is that in a TKD tournament the goal is to mostly land a lot of strike points. So lots of TKD people go into a fight with a thinking they can win by throwing a completely non-strategic flurry when really they're just wasting energy. However, there are a few "combat" TKD places that teach their students to legitimately strategize their fights and pick apart their opponents. This is not the case for WTF TKD though.
exactly, i'm sick of these constant "your style sucks, no yours does, no yours does" bullshit comments. It's 100% about the person, not the style. If i train for 10 years every day, 8 hours a day, and i train in basic punching and nothing else, but i'm SO good at it that it doesn't matter, then i'll beat a kung fu monk who's trained for 1 year for only 4 hours a day, regardless of whether or not his style is better then mine. There is no best style, only best fighters.
I live in the United States. And I don't put down Kyokushin or any other fighting system. I believe it has more to do with the individual's ability to fight than it does with the style.
I would love to show how ineffective TKD is in a street fight......Please all martial arts have an effectiveness. TKD is basically moved the Japanese out of Korean.....ALSO.....I have been practicing TKD a long time.....
@ikcjjtt They use electronic devices to avoid "stolen" points, the devices only work with an amount of power (depend on the fighters weight) and with the proper use of the technique (using the instep). Most of all, you can't blame the style... The fighter is the one that sucks... The TKD guy
I thought that fight was pretty even throughout if your counting the no. Of hits and their diversity it's just that one guys karate guy is constantly closing the space and the TKD guy is trying to mak iy
@reybatistafan Plus. I only ripped on karate so you would realise that every martial art has its cons and pros. And when training martial art you have to find your own style. Sometimes you're lucky and the martial art you're training fits YOU perfectly. And my style isn't tkd. It's more like boxing with mt blocks. When you said that commentary about "if the karate guy was better". I wanted you to know it can go either way... The same goes about the tkd guy.
@alekt5 Yeah... I think if they would focus on technique rather than their kicks or by adding in some punches but they dont there for its just a sport :/
C'est surtout des quiches tous les deux...Bon, in the same time we can't say that is a real fight because they havent any protections. In a real fight,(not in the street of course), TKD have a helm and a chest protection(I don't know the word in english for "plastron"). I think that's the reason why they hit slowly and not strong.
hey guys, this kyokushin fighter doesn't look affected by every single hit from the taekwondo fighter right?? actually, he is hurt. but every single hit from his opponent is determining him to move forward and forgetting the damages. in the other hand, every time the taekwondo fighter hit. his fighting spirit is decreasing when he saw his opponent is not damaged.
Current Taekwondo is not conditioned for a real fight. WTF TKD sparring uses protectors. That is the reason why, whenever Karate throw a punch The TKD guy can't take the pain.
TKD needs to be conditioned in a full contact fight in order to compete with Kyokushin Karate / Muay THai / Other martial arts.
They have good kickings but they don't have a good BODY ARMOUR.
There is a real why we wear chest guards. Even being conditioned has it's downside.
Green Beast what down side to being conditioned to receive pain?
@@greenbeast4648 Watch some kyokushin fights before you said that...
I cant speak for others who do taekwondo but, I've taken it upon myself to spar without body armor and condition my body so that my style of taekwondo could go up against harder styles like muay thai and kyokushin. Keup!
The TKD should spam kicks and run, and dont face directly unless they were trained for full contact like this.
Kyokushin for the win! But I give the TKD guy some credit because he tried to adapt to the way the Kyokushin man fought. Osu!
Lol hes copying the low kicks
Pues si
@@xdeathtv5155 every Martial arts has low kick wdym
Yeah, I saw that too
tae kwon do used to be a militaristic type of fighting which was ground based the problem is because it was short ranged. when the arial kicks were adopted it changed the art abit. the kicks can be potentaily deadly if performed with the right timing and accuracy but it is almost rendered useless when the man is right in ur face. this shows how things change over time
TKD guy can last that long, considered quite good. kudos.
Well said. I've trained in WTF Taekwondo, and I've moved on to Muay Thai. Sparring in WTF Taekwondo now seems rather tame. Plus we were never taught about dealing with people that come in close.
if they come close, clench, push then hammer kick or jumping back kick
Maybe you just need a better coach. Alot of TKD coaches teach kicks and pushing inside the clinch
Kyokushin has open tournaments all the time where people from other styles can come. I personally went to 2 of those in Europe (I did Goju-Ryu karate at the time). Lots of fun, tough fighters and very good challenge. In the US I'm sure you can find at least a couple. But unless you're used to endurance training (like getting hit for real all the time) I won't recommend it
Karate makes body tough which can endure injury and pain beauty about karate is this it accepts and respects other fighting styles I have brief experience of shotokan karate which taught me many things.
The TKD guy have some guts to stand on a Kyokushin platform
Why not? Kyokushin is not a problem at all for good TKD.
finally, some real martial artist in the comments to show respect and positivity to each other
the one with yellow hand mitts is TKD. Regardless of style it's how good the actual person is, and even then if they are equal in skill the one with the right mentallity will have the victory.
Do you play to win or play not to lose?
ur are right beyond belief. this man is proof that taekwondo is only good depending on how good a fighter you are already.
I really think it depends on the fighter. I have trained Shotokan for 16 years. I have met guys that are Shotokan "die-hards" only, but every high ranking JKA, SKIF, & SKI instructor has always encourage cross-training. My American instructor had us training full-contact kickboxing. I love Shotokan, but have also trained Muay Thai, BJJ, Boxing, & Judo. Myself and other karateka from my studio have fought in American kickboxing matches, and amatuer MMA. Really depends on the student.
I personally feels main basics of fighting is shotokan such a nice technique it had.
Well. given that I haven't done taekwondo for about a year now. I don't really do much of those kicks now but back when I did do it, yes my kicks were decent. But now I'm more concerned about how much damage I do with my kicks, not how fancy they are and not as much concern about its speed either. But at the same time, I took those step back counter round kicks to kyokushin and they work just fine. Is that what you're asking?
Cung Le gives his kicking credits to taekwondo
and Bas also said there is no ultimate art after studying in multiple arts which includes MT Tkd and Karate. There u have it ultimate keyboard fighters
You are wrong my boy. Korea had its own MA called Taekyon (a striking art) and Yusul (a grappling art). During the Japanees occupation these arts were forced underground and many forms of MA were practiced until Gen. Choi mandated that TKD be known as Koreas offical MA.
that's false story.
Taekondo was called and taught as
Karate in Japa days.Taekyon was not MA. that's just culture.
Actually, Taekondo is very similar to Japanese Shotokan Karate.
'Cause Taekondo uset to be Karate.
the fals story was made by Taekondo founder after independence of Korea.
as a fact, Karate came from Southern China.you can see Southern Chinese MA in Karate.
also in Taekondo you can see same influence of southern chinese MA.
that's the evidence Taekondo original is Karate.
anyway, if you believe the false story as you told,I can show you evident that korean Taekondo founder, it means Karate master in Korea told he made the false story.
I love how the Kyokushin guy just stands there and takes the TKD guys obviously weak-ass punches.
@TheColosseum09
The karate guy is not the one with gloves~~ The red ribbon hanging there is for the judge the give score to white or red side. The guy with gloves's uniform has a black collar which is Taekwondo's black belt uniform
I would like to see how perform the kyokushin guys in wtf rules.
and i would like to see how perform the tkd when get the punchs . Hahahahaha
Whatta comedian. All in the kyo comparsion videos I see the rules are all kyo rules. All style perform best in their own rules. Believe me the kyo fighters suffering bad by the head punches too.
László X lol no, watch k-1 kyokushin fighters like Andy hug, Sam greco, fransico filho, and so on, tkd no chance in any rule set then it's own
TKD has punches, and reverse knife hands. I saw a guy lose his top set of teeth to a TKD ridgehand in a competition.
@@doncehd6448 There are also TKD in MMA, once they change the mindset they did pretty well in MMA.
@ikcjjtt and I already know he wasn't doing "Olympic TKD". He would use more "flashing" kicks he would have another kind of guard or only dodge his opponent attacks. Also he would move to the sides to avoid his kicks to get blocked. And as him being from ITF, I expected he would use better the punches.
elbow,knee,low kick and punch is the most stable unarmed tech.stable in nature so theres space to think in a fight.
I think they fight under kyokushin rules: no protection, punches to body allowed, kcks on 3 levels allowed
no face punches or grabbing allowed
@CentredOne what who would be consider the "worst practitioner"? someone who doesn't practice the style correctly? someone who supposely studys the style for a couple of years but doesn't practice it? or someone who just started learning the style for a couple of weeks?
That is so true!
At last I have found people that can think!
Almost everyone in my school thinks TKD is useless, but it isn't when used correct! :D
Brother, you're so correct. TKD has lost much of its art. At least Kyokushin and some other karate styles are still connected to their roots.
Shut up
Karatae has the short range advantage, TKD has the long range advantage. So we should all do what Bruce lee did, learn as much as possible.
"I fear with someone who trained 1 kick 10000 times than a person who know 10000 kick trained only 1 time".
The conclusion is, you need to master only few technique.
Kyokushin is trained with Straight punch (to face, ribs, stomach) and leg kick mostly in body conditioning training.
The main difference comes that TKD does not focus on endurance training. Kicks are highly emphasized and that's cool, but they def need more pain and getting more often. By getting hit, I mean getting hit for real, like punching bag hit.
its true im a black belt in tkd and i struggle to keep up with muay thai and certain styles of karate wen sparring in mma
TKD Olympic style and Kyokushin also has rules of no Punching in the head or face. Uppercuts are banned in most competitive fight
It's very hard to say which martial art is dominant, especially when it comes to stand up. I did karate my entire life and learnt to respect everyone as I experienced each art. The only real trouble I was given was from Thai fighters and as you do you adapt a few things that you know work to incredible effect but also for every action is a opposite one so learning mauthai was a hinderence as I was also learning a combination of jujitsu and karate. I found mauthai and karate was very weak towards the more intense grappling higher ranking wrestlers especially when your tired and starting to slow. But you still have to learn to check and what not so it's all very difficult to decide anything. Each to their own, the trick is to train what your naturally good at and enjoy, go from there I think. Don't let videos decide what you should learn because one was victorious, the most humbling thing about fighting is that you learn there is always someone better.
This is what happens when TKD fighter plays by Kyokushin rules.
Nothing stopiing the TKD from using all their kicks though, since they can kick to the head.
Its obvious, and as expected, the Kyokushin fighter was simply more conditioned to take hits and dish it out.
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TKD is not all mainly a long range fighting style and it moves pretty fast, im at a brown right now and mainly you just dodge the kicks thrown so you can counter because blocking would slow TKD down
Awsome kyokushin fighter 👏
The Taekwon Do fighter has got balls, Kyokushin is a brutal fighting style and to step on the mat to fight in a different fighting style takes guts. How well would the knockdown fighting do in a TKD tournament. A friend of mine Sensei Steve Fenwick from Shidokan is a great knockdown fighter and fought in Poland, France, Egypt etc and is tough as old boots was beaten 10-0 at a freestyle tournament. It's difficult stepping out of your comfort zone, but good for your knowledge and your spirit
I like karate. and there is not fair taekwando vs karate. because punch is faster than kick....
thats why tkd is so weak than karate
Agree.....
thats why muay-thai will kick both of them pretty fast))
Karate can take brutal beating to the body and leg. If Muay Thai can make a difference, that would be punches to the face and not kicks. Why don't you check out Muay Thai vs Kyokushin under Kyokushin Karate rule?
It’s not karate with TKD, it’s Kyokushin with TKD Kyokushin is strong doesn’t mean karate is strong
that goes for all fighting styles tho. the problem with ,as far as i've seen, all martial art competitions, is that the fighters dont want to hurt each other. that is to say their techniques arent usually fully executed, so a round house kick turns into a guy flailing his leg in the rough direction of his opponent. this tends to reduce most fights to two guys waving limbs at each other with very little considerd technique.
Y'know it's the same thing in UFC, it's sport but these people are trained to fight in desperation situation aka to Kill.
I'd like to see the research. Please cite your sources.
I think those are knuckle guards. Some people wear them under their gloves when they're injured.
biggest advantage for the karate guy is his pain tolerance it looks like and the fact that he was the aggressor, this is why at a certain point taekwondo practitioners shouldnt use gear to spar so they can build the tolerance too.
@reybatistafan A really good tkd user doesn't have to worry about things like getting punched in the face. Bcuz I myself love to throw punches, more then kicks. But when I fight a friend of my who practises tkd, I rarely hit him with one of my punches. He keep me at a distant with kicks. And all I can do is block, I can't attack. That would mean exposing myself to his kicks. If you are able to get close or grab a leg and then quickly throw them to the ground, they are toasted. But if not...
@warrlic2 The karate guy is the one with the gloves. =p. Look at the red ribbon hanging from his belt.
No thats just an indicator of which side would be played. Like "aka" means red and starts from the left side while shiro means white starts from the right
Switzy Moores Oh ok! 👍
Say I want to learn TKD and I go to a dojo. Will they teach me TKD as a martial art or as a sport oriented style of fighting? Or does that depend on teacher's choice? Cuz i have a friend who teaches tkd and he tells me it's different from what you see in tournaments, but i havent seen it yet! Is TKD as a martial art(eg:not sport) a decent one? Sorry for any confusing sentence/grammar mistakes
Neo- yes but the question is are you any good at those kicks and can you deploy them fast enough
My issue is that the TKD guy did not go on the offense. The reality is is that yeah, you can win by bouncing around the guy and yielding to his advances, but you can also get cornered that way. If you actually attempt to push back, not necessarily physically but continue on through with the assault, it can help.
@shinalk they dont wear gloves so its easy to tell which one is which
kyokushin specializes in treating the body as if it was harder than flesh it self and accepting that pain will come and u must keep moving forward
TKD guy has great conditioning but punches need a bit more follow through but the body shots take its toll on you
people can argue for ever about which techniques are the best but really the reason why kyokushin often wins these things could be more easily attributed to the intensity of training than the style of fighting.
that is why the tkd guy looks so worn out by about half way while the kyo fighter doesnt seem to break a sweat
yes but remember sport tkd fighters wear protective gear since there is a lot of kicks however here he wasnt wearing any due to the fact that karate fighters dont and a kick to the elbow hurts ALOT. so im sure he was just holding back to keep his foot intact.
hey, boy123boy, do you have something against tkd? ive checked all your vids and alot of them have a tkd guy losing in them...
@Hawaii0407 And the thing. I've seen the different between blue and blue belt myself. When I stared tkd. There were this 2 guy with blue belts. One of them I hated, bcuz he never fought nice when sparring. And one I was afraid of. And the one I hated, I didn't even had yellow when kicking his butt with pure tkd. But the other guy, I can't imagine myself be at his level even if I trained tkd for 6 year. So belts are bullshit. And once again, please tell me what experience YOU've.
Than you!!! At last someone is thinking the same way I am. I also do WTF Taekwondo and I have been doing for 6 almost 6 years I think.
the tae kwon do ka were a courageous fighter too, but the best win
The karate guy is advanced because the way of tournament is karate rule but What if the karate guy take a sparring in wtf rules. Love taekwondo ❤️
Also the founder of Kyokushin was a Korean that studied Shotokan and Taekyon. He moved to Japan and started his onwn MA known today as Kyokushin. Google it or wikipedia it. The knowledge is out there.
Yes i agree..
But trust me man .. if you just move around in few second you will find him open af you can either knockout or do some serious dmg, unless you're a noob
In my opinion, there are some good Taekwondo fighters out there. Who ever came out with the full-contact style should probably be praised by all TKD fighters.
@reybatistafan 1) I've tested karate in 3 different clubs. Not "one". 2) I've never said I was good. A karate guy with black belt have whooped my ass as well a tkd guy with red. And frankly, I felt more pain with the tkd guy. 3) that vid. He kicked high, but that isn't the same thing as agility. It was like I said. That kick made him compensate something else. 4) I don't want to rip on karate. For me, every style works. The thing I wanted to tell you is that it depends on the person.
The TKD guy was actually a bit lucky since Kyokushin forbids head punches when bare knuckled for safety reasons.
that may be true of sport taekwondo practitioners, but in full contact, you can kick to the legs and body then finish with strikes to the head. just the way it is in boxing, you want to wear your opponent out in contact sparring.
Ok guys here is the deal with tkd and kyokushin. I am a brown belt in kyokushin and a green belt in tkd. kyokushin has the advantage when it comes to close range combat. tkd should keep the enemy at a distance. and kyokushin is the most practical style of self defense. tkd is good, but you have to know how to use it.
Tae Kwon Do is not better than Karate nor any other style is better than the other. It is the practioner and how he uses the style.
Not really I've never seen a single TKD guy beat a Muay Thai guy probably because almost all Muay Thai fighters or just Thai fighters have lots of experience in actual fighting, TKD fighting is not really "fighting" if you ask me, they fight for points not to actually hurt and disable your opponent unlike Muay Thai fighters they always go for the kill.
no mater what it is said about the two arts in this case is practiced as a sprot with rules and restrictions it may make you stronger than the average person with no training but not a martial artist that has persied combat efectivness outside the ring
Why do fighters from other martial arts have to fight kyokushine fighters in kyokushine rules all the time. What would happen if some one try to fight a judoka in judo rules?
Both fighters looked good. It takes a lot to spar like that full force with no gear, the real Karate guy's do all the time. WTF Taekwondo fighter's go hard to that protective gear really doesn't help much, so respect for the WTF guy.
Also Kyokushin Karate has some TKD roots. Founded by a Korean that moved to Japan. Where do you think the kicks came from. Not Karate ;-)
If the TKD knew how to keep his range which was near impossible, he would of done more damage... Then again for a black belt tkd guy his kicks are pretty sad.
Thank you sir. The only real way to see "who would win" is let them try to kill each other. But we can't necessarily do that, heh heh.
Every time i see a kid practicing TKD, I always see them almost falling on their rear ends. o_0
This TKD fighter would benefit from the art of "Doing the splits". I'm suprized that he is a TKD fighter without it. :/
im a tae kwon do practitioner but ya.. i gotta say it depends on the fighter.. and
i gotta say tae kwon do lacks the use of fists. i been to couple tae kwon do gyms
but they all train their legs more than their fists. and kyokushin to me kinda seems
like a lil kick boxing (japanese style)
@ChronosNAME0600 hey dude... don't they change stances when they're fighting ppl from other styles... also... taekwondo guy's robe was sewn down the front with black collar linings... while the karate guy's wearing a gi that you have to tie up, so as far as the uniforms go... kyokushin v. taekwondo would be pretty accurate
A real Art has transformed in to a sport, so that's so funny to watch how that they don't punch in head =b
Humans strongest muscles are in legs, so if you can use them right, it Will Be Deadly. That's why, i prefer Taekwondo
@reybatistafan I never did say I was a tkd fighter. But if you were mistaking me 4 it when I said I practised it I apologise. I understand that you thought I said tkd is "best" bcuz, lets face it. Everyone are saying that their martial art is best. But hear me out when I'm telling you that I've trained and tested several martial arts. That's why I know everything works. But that doesn't mean it works 4 you. That's why you've to create a style 4 yourself. Mixed or not mixed. It's up to you.
ITF is very different from WTF. I can tell which is which just by looking at the way the kicks look and are executed. I can not say which is better, as that depends not on the art but the practitioner, but WTF seems, from what I've seen, to focus more on speed and combo kicks.
BTW, Choi speaks for ITF, not WTF. ITF is close to Karate, WTF isn't.
TKD actually does work but you have to be insanely good at it to employ its full power, and usually in fights kicks to the head just arent a good idea. Actually any art near mastery is pretty damn good, its just you don't see much of it in competitions because the ones who do it for 20+ yrs don't like fighting for audiences. Usually the growth in consciousness attained by high level martial artisits result in disinterest in competitions. Seriously though, these guys arent black belts.
la diferencia es mucha el taekondo es letal pero el karate kyokusin convina resistenacia y letalidad cosa q buena el tkd en el kumite usa protectores cosa q el kyokushin no por estan mas acostumbrados a mas c astigo el de tkd no esta acostumbradoa tanto castigo saludos
Sigues vivo?
@Hawaii0407 I agree on what you´re saying. It´s hard 2 believe that tkd works in a real street fight considering what you have seen on the differents vids. I admit that almost all of these tkd guys sucked. But that doesn´t mean I will let comments that are disrespecting tkd go by. I have not trained martial arts 4 long. But I have tested a lot of differents types. I have sparred against many different style types as well. Both with there rules and non. The one I liked the most where MT and TKD.
give them continuous full contact sparring rules...the tables my turn.....TKD is not about one move, it is about multiple, opening up the opponent. This is why they train combos, not hitting once and waiting for the whistle....
@pzb1937 i m a karateka but taekwondo doesn't allways loose sometimes in mma or K1 they have some good fighters
It's a fight by Kyokushin rules. Punches without gloves are not permitted in the face...
the thing is that karate practitioners kick become so strong to the body that even sweeping the leg properly will bring him down but taekwondo kick are not that strong but an accurate one, if it is hit in the head they would become uncounsious.
What happened to him in the end that he grabbed his guts and fell down?
But maybe his strengths were fighting with fists and thus from close range? We all have our pros and cons ;)
I practice TKD, too and I didn't see the TKD dude doing much kicks(somewhy TKD is related to kicks only lol) so I see why it was hard for you to believe he was a TKD fighter. He did very well, though. Got kicked a lot and didn't give up or fall down of exhaustion.
None of them are using TKD of either WTF or ITF. Besides, never judge a martial art by whats allowed in its typical sparring, only the street fight can tell and usually the better conditioned fighter wins.
Like i said, i'm not sure about it. I know TKD, not karate. My point was that TKD orginates not only from karate, but from other styles aswell
@Hawaii0407 Dude firstly, belt colour in my eyes are bullshit. It tells you nothing about the other one. Secondly, I did say my style is not tkd, I'm a mma fighter. That's also the reason why I only have yellow. I've trained several martial arts. Cuz I believe that every martial art have something useful. And tkd has it flaws, but so does boxing. And combined you will have the best kicks and best punches. And if noticed, I've never spoke about my tkd.
for all of you, there is two TKD just likeve shkeat says, the ITF created by the general Choi, This is THE TEAKWON-DO ITF, and the WTF based on the traditionnal kick and punch koran anciant technics aged for centuries, just for you to know it is the general Choi who gives this art the sames names as his own Taekwondo. know you all spead about the WTF olympic style, but never try to know what is the WTF traditionnal style, it is just like the ITF in fact, 40% kicks and 60% punch.
@ikcjjtt Don't know, but traditional TKD reminds me too much of Hapkido, I see little diffrence,and ITF looks too showstyle, I'm not saying TKD is bad, I'm training Ninjitsu for over 10 years and BJJ for 4, and now I'm looking into TKD
Luckily, we train technics, patterns, movements, coördination and the other basics of TKD more than sparring. Actually, there isn't sparring unless you feel like sparring and say it.
The problem is that in a TKD tournament the goal is to mostly land a lot of strike points. So lots of TKD people go into a fight with a thinking they can win by throwing a completely non-strategic flurry when really they're just wasting energy. However, there are a few "combat" TKD places that teach their students to legitimately strategize their fights and pick apart their opponents. This is not the case for WTF TKD though.
exactly, i'm sick of these constant "your style sucks, no yours does, no yours does" bullshit comments. It's 100% about the person, not the style. If i train for 10 years every day, 8 hours a day, and i train in basic punching and nothing else, but i'm SO good at it that it doesn't matter, then i'll beat a kung fu monk who's trained for 1 year for only 4 hours a day, regardless of whether or not his style is better then mine. There is no best style, only best fighters.
I live in the United States. And I don't put down Kyokushin or any other fighting system. I believe it has more to do with the individual's ability to fight than it does with the style.
el de cabello mas largo es el de TKD
the guy whith neck black is of TKD
I would love to show how ineffective TKD is in a street fight......Please all martial arts have an effectiveness. TKD is basically moved the Japanese out of Korean.....ALSO.....I have been practicing TKD a long time.....
@ikcjjtt They use electronic devices to avoid "stolen" points, the devices only work with an amount of power (depend on the fighters weight) and with the proper use of the technique (using the instep). Most of all, you can't blame the style... The fighter is the one that sucks... The TKD guy
I thought that fight was pretty even throughout if your counting the no. Of hits and their diversity it's just that one guys karate guy is constantly closing the space and the TKD guy is trying to mak iy
@reybatistafan Plus. I only ripped on karate so you would realise that every martial art has its cons and pros. And when training martial art you have to find your own style. Sometimes you're lucky and the martial art you're training fits YOU perfectly. And my style isn't tkd. It's more like boxing with mt blocks. When you said that commentary about "if the karate guy was better". I wanted you to know it can go either way... The same goes about the tkd guy.
@alekt5 Yeah... I think if they would focus on technique rather than their kicks or by adding in some punches but they dont there for its just a sport :/
C'est surtout des quiches tous les deux...Bon, in the same time we can't say that is a real fight because they havent any protections. In a real fight,(not in the street of course), TKD have a helm and a chest protection(I don't know the word in english for "plastron"). I think that's the reason why they hit slowly and not strong.
0:04 tbey are both friends just playing for fun.
hey guys, this kyokushin fighter doesn't look affected by every single hit from the taekwondo fighter right?? actually, he is hurt. but every single hit from his opponent is determining him to move forward and forgetting the damages. in the other hand, every time the taekwondo fighter hit. his fighting spirit is decreasing when he saw his opponent is not damaged.
If you gonna fight full contact, train your power as well....
TWD only focus on landing and attack wether its effective or not, their not trained to know the difference or when to use ki...